The Theta Protocol twist -- that Coulson built Nick Fury a new helicarrier -- sort of puts "Agents of SHIELD" in the same position of the standalone Avengers movies; instead of asking why Tony Stark doesn't just help Captain America, we can ask why Nick Fury won't keep coming to SHIELD's rescue. How do you plan to avoid that being an issue going forward?
JW: Yeah, that is a constant question mark in all these movies and all these properties. It's one that I think the audience is willing to swallow. There is a bye in every [standalone Avengers movie] that they're not all in. There is a question all the time of "why don't they show up?" But, you know, they can't. And if there are going to be standalone stories, they certainly can't [show up] on our show. I think the audience is willing to forgive that knowing it's logistically impossible. We do what we can to sort of cover that story by [saying], "Oh, they're so busy somewhere else."
MT: And we buy that Fury is communicating -- this season, anyway -- with Coulson via the toolbox. I think that satiates people's need to actually see his face. I know everybody wants to see Nick Fury's face -- I do. I would love to have him show up again -- but there's ways we've had that connection stay alive without him actually appearing.
JW: Right. And yes, there's the danger in [episode] 19 where [Coulson] says, "Call the Avengers"; there's a danger in any dire situation for the rest of our show of the audience going, "Just call the Avengers again!" [ laughs] We hope the audience will forgive us that.
How much is this going to set up what you want to explore going forward? Are we going to have as big of a cliffhanger as we did in Season 1?
MT: There is a cliffhanger for sure. You will be waiting for Season 3.
JW: You will leave with a mystery of something you desperately want to know what's happening, the promise of something you're very excited to see happen, and a little bit of a resolve of all the things you've seen happen this year.
MT: So that's why it's two hours long.
JW: Not everyone will make it, and not all of our favorite people will get out unscathed.
Let's switch gears to Ward. Will we find out by the end of this season what his ultimate goal is?
JW: I think very quickly it will present itself, what his motives are in this moment. But yes, it turns out that him leaving Kara there, he was not being the best boyfriend in the world -- or maybe he was.
MT: He may still think that he's being the best boyfriend in the world by leaving. So his motives will become more clear by the end of the season, and hopefully they'll become blatantly clear in Season 3. [ laughs]
JW: Yeah, that is a constant question mark in all these movies and all these properties. It's one that I think the audience is willing to swallow. There is a bye in every [standalone Avengers movie] that they're not all in. There is a question all the time of "why don't they show up?" But, you know, they can't. And if there are going to be standalone stories, they certainly can't [show up] on our show. I think the audience is willing to forgive that knowing it's logistically impossible. We do what we can to sort of cover that story by [saying], "Oh, they're so busy somewhere else."
MT: And we buy that Fury is communicating -- this season, anyway -- with Coulson via the toolbox. I think that satiates people's need to actually see his face. I know everybody wants to see Nick Fury's face -- I do. I would love to have him show up again -- but there's ways we've had that connection stay alive without him actually appearing.
JW: Right. And yes, there's the danger in [episode] 19 where [Coulson] says, "Call the Avengers"; there's a danger in any dire situation for the rest of our show of the audience going, "Just call the Avengers again!" [ laughs] We hope the audience will forgive us that.
How much is this going to set up what you want to explore going forward? Are we going to have as big of a cliffhanger as we did in Season 1?
MT: There is a cliffhanger for sure. You will be waiting for Season 3.
JW: You will leave with a mystery of something you desperately want to know what's happening, the promise of something you're very excited to see happen, and a little bit of a resolve of all the things you've seen happen this year.
MT: So that's why it's two hours long.
JW: Not everyone will make it, and not all of our favorite people will get out unscathed.
Let's switch gears to Ward. Will we find out by the end of this season what his ultimate goal is?
JW: I think very quickly it will present itself, what his motives are in this moment. But yes, it turns out that him leaving Kara there, he was not being the best boyfriend in the world -- or maybe he was.
MT: He may still think that he's being the best boyfriend in the world by leaving. So his motives will become more clear by the end of the season, and hopefully they'll become blatantly clear in Season 3. [ laughs]
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At the end of the episode, Jiaying makes a daring move and turns against Gonzales' nature. Was this out of fear of the Inhumans being indexed? Or a thought of losing Skye to SHIELD? Or both?
It's really the bigger picture. What Jiaying says is true. She has set up a community in the middle of nowhere so they would be left alone. We know that her experience in the past with SHIELD, even though we know it was Hydra masked as SHIELD, was horrible. So now here she is with SHIELD showing up at her doorstep saying, "Hi, we don't want to hurt you but we do want to index you and we do want to monitor you," and that didn't work well for her. She is trying to protect her people. I don't think she's a bad person for doing it, but the way she's doing it seems a little bit suspect.
Raina's (Ruth Negga) visions up to this point have been accurate and it looks like she saw this coming with Jiaying. She seems willing to turn over a new leaf but is hindered by her past and who she was. What can we expect for Raina in the finale?
You hit it on the head. This is a woman who has been manipulative at every step along the way and now she's having these visions and seems to be telling the truth but she's also been her own worst enemy. The question is, can we trust Raina or will she be up to her old tricks?
Kara (Maya Stojan) and Ward (Brett Dalton) kidnapped Bobbi (Adrianne Palicki), is this a vendetta against Bobbi?
All will be revealed.
Is there anything you can tease for the finale next?
It's big. It's emotional. There are some twists and turns, some surprises. I'm excited to see how people react to it.
It's really the bigger picture. What Jiaying says is true. She has set up a community in the middle of nowhere so they would be left alone. We know that her experience in the past with SHIELD, even though we know it was Hydra masked as SHIELD, was horrible. So now here she is with SHIELD showing up at her doorstep saying, "Hi, we don't want to hurt you but we do want to index you and we do want to monitor you," and that didn't work well for her. She is trying to protect her people. I don't think she's a bad person for doing it, but the way she's doing it seems a little bit suspect.
Raina's (Ruth Negga) visions up to this point have been accurate and it looks like she saw this coming with Jiaying. She seems willing to turn over a new leaf but is hindered by her past and who she was. What can we expect for Raina in the finale?
You hit it on the head. This is a woman who has been manipulative at every step along the way and now she's having these visions and seems to be telling the truth but she's also been her own worst enemy. The question is, can we trust Raina or will she be up to her old tricks?
Kara (Maya Stojan) and Ward (Brett Dalton) kidnapped Bobbi (Adrianne Palicki), is this a vendetta against Bobbi?
All will be revealed.
Is there anything you can tease for the finale next?
It's big. It's emotional. There are some twists and turns, some surprises. I'm excited to see how people react to it.
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