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Tuesday 11/26/13 Metered Market Ratings
ABC Dances to Victory
Household
Rating/Share
ABC 8.3/14
CBS 7.0/12
NBC 5.0/ 8
Fox 2.3/ 4
CW 1.6/ 3
-Percent Change from Year-Ago Evening – Tuesday 11/27/12:
CW: +60, NBC: + 4, Fox: – 8, ABC: -12, CBS: -23
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-Winners:
“Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.” (ABC), “Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer” R (CBS), “Dancing With the Stars” (ABC), “NCIS: Los Angeles” (CBS), “The Voice” (NBC), “Person of Interest” (CBS)
-Honorable Mention:
“The Originals” (CW)
-Losers (excluding repeats):
“Dads” (Fox), “Brooklyn Nine-Nine” (Fox), “New Girl” (Fox), “The Mindy Project” (Fox)
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-Ratings Breakdown:
The two-hour “Dancing With the Stars” season-ender lifted ABC to Tuesday overnight victory, with a 19 percent advantage over second-place CBS. But the race among adults 18-49 (and the other key young adult demos) could be neck-and-neck between CBS and NBC.
Minus CBS’ “NCIS” in the competitive mix, ABC opened with freshman drama “Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.” at an above average 5.9 rating/10 share in the overnights at 8 p.m. Comparably, that was 31 percent above the 4.5/ 8 on the week-ago Tuesday (4.5/ 7), and it tied an encore of annual CBS holiday special “Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer” for first in the hour. Both are expected to resonate in the young adult demos.
Next was the aforementioned “Dancing With the Stars” season-finale at a 9.5/16 from 9-11 p.m., which was 17 percent below the 11.5/18 for the year-ago season-ender (on 11/27/12). SPOILER ALERT: If you do not want to know who won the mirror ball trophy skip the remainder of this paragraph. While congratulations do, of course, go to “Glee” star Amber Riley, the one who should have really won…and did not even make it into the final four…was Elizabeth Berkeley. Also exiting too soon was “Jersey Shore” star Nicole “Snooki” Polizzi and everyone’s favorite, Valerie Harper, who was happily part of the festivities last night. We are all rooting for you, Valerie!
Leading out of “Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer” were second place overnight finishes for “NCIS: Los Angeles” (7.4/12) and “Person of Interest” (7.7/13) on CBS from 9-11 p.m.
Over at NBC, “The Voice” was the top attraction, of course, with a third-place 6.3/10 from 9-10 p.m. But opposite “Dancing With the Stars,” it dipped by 15 percent from the 7.4/12 one week earlier. At 8 p.m. on NBC was reliable “The Biggest Loser” at a third-place 4.4/ 7. And relocated “Chicago Fire” capped off the night with a third-place 4.4/ 7, which was 31 percent below the 9:30 p.m. portion of “The Voice” (6.4/10).
Elsewhere, Fox finished a distant fourth in each of its four half-hours with its sitcom line-up of “Dads” (2.2/ 4), “Brooklyn Nine-Nine” (2.5/ 4), “New Girl” (2.6/ 4) and “The Mindy Project” (1.9/ 5). And The CW had typical overnight performances care of its successful pairing of “The Originals” (#5: 1.7/ 3), which was 42 percent above year-ago occupant “Hart of Dixie” (1.2/ 2 on 11/27/12) and veteran “Supernatural” (#5: 1.5/ 20, which was 67 percent above failed year-ago occupant “Emily Owens, M.D.” (0.9/ 1).
As a reminder, Tuesday on Fox will feature freshman comedy “Brooklyn Nine-Nine” at a new time, 9:30 p.m., effective on Feb. 4 (and in place of “The Mindy Project,” which is taking a break until April 1). And “Glee” moves into the Tuesday 8 p.m. hour on Feb. 25 (with “Dads” at 8 p.m. taking a rest).
Source: Nielsen Media Research data
Source: Marc Berman@tvmediainsights
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I am not sure if that will actually happen but it's certainly possible. It's the first time in 5 years that they've aired LA sans NCIS, it may be that the show really isn't able to hold its own (which would take away my idea of it moving to Mondays at 10 and give Intelligence its slot). Let's wait for the demos.
ReplyDeleteI guess that's because of no NCIS.
ReplyDeleteI hope Supernatural holds up well. I really enjoyed last night's episode.
ReplyDeleteWhat do you predict omabin?
By the way, thank you for your great insights into the awkward, at least for me, ratings labyrinth. :)
I really have a hard time extrapolating demo numbers for the CW from the households. It seems pretty much in line with what's been doing so I guess no major surprises. But we have to wait and see! Thanks for asking me by the way, that's flattering!
ReplyDeleteAnd it would give Killer Woman/Mind Games/whatever an actual lead-in. Plus, SHIELD is a predominantly male-skewing show and would be amazing counter-programming for the Voice.
ReplyDeleteI admire those who know their subject. lol :)
ReplyDeleteWhich is pathetic. LA should be able to hold its own even without the mothership. Private Practice, of course, is another example of a show that can't survive without the mothership.
ReplyDeleteYes, the lead-in for the 10p dramas was what I mean with my last bullet there.
ReplyDeleteYour other point doesn't apply though because the voice will move to 8pm come spring. But I think that's fine because Shield would still be away from it and could dominate the 9pm hour and the comedies are already used to facing the voice. At least they wouldn't face other comedies.
OK i have no idea how these HH numbers translate into ratings is 7.7/13 for PPI higher than those 7.4/12 of NCIS-LA
ReplyDeleteI think the same goes for POI, think both NCIS LA and POI always have a great lead in. But i give both shows a bit of a pass since they were facing the finale of Dancing with the Stars and thats an audience magnet. I mean facing Dancing with the Stars and the Voice cant be easy for any show.
ReplyDeleteJust did some backtracking, the last time Agents of SHIELD hit a 4.5 in the overnights it translated into a 2.5 in the demo.
ReplyDeleteThis means POI was viewed by more people than NCIS:LA.
ReplyDeleteIt got a 5.9 for yesterday's episode.
ReplyDeleteSupernatural was rather awful last night. First time I've ever wanted to actually turn it off and just go do something else... on social media, I haven't seen more than a couple people who didn't hate it. Not expecting much from the ratings.
ReplyDeleteAh, didn't see that LOL! Hopefully that translates into a higher demo, stupid ABC for taking two weeks off when it's the Fall finale!
ReplyDeleteactually AoS had a 5.9 in overnights.....
ReplyDeletethis may be a bit off topic, but do the ratings for other CBS shows (except Mentalist) like POI or NCIS LA have any impact on the renewal chances of my beloved Goo Wife? You're kind of the expert, omabin ;)
ReplyDeleteNot exactly. Just that more houses were watching. The number of people in each house is not the same, so not all houses have the same "value" for total viewers (not to mention for the demo, of course). This means there were more houses watching POI than LA.
ReplyDeleteReally? They're taking a break next week? Way to ruin momentum. What are they airing next week then?
ReplyDeleteAhah. I appreciate the consideration, but I don't consider myself an expert, I just pay attention to these things.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, answering your question, yes, they do influence, but unless they are major fluctuations, it's unlikely to have a lot of impact. The Good Wife's relative ratings (aka the ratings that matter) are calculated dividing its ratings by the network's dramas ratings. So if the other dramas are down, the Good Wife's relative ratings will be better, ceteris paribus. The thing is that when these top tier shows ratings are down, the difference will be fairly insignificant most of the time. If the second tier shows' ratings (Elementary, CSI, Blue Bloods, Hawaii 5-0) ratings are down, then the effect will likely be bigger for The Good Wife.
A good example is Castle, which is looking better and better for the network because its ratings are stable while everything else crumbles.
ABC has been known to make bad scheduling decisions.
ReplyDeleteRe-checked my last statement Agents of SHIELD has never hit a 5,9 in the overnights. So the demo numbers should be interesting.
ReplyDeleteThank you for replying :)
ReplyDeletethanks :D that's interesting
ReplyDeleteTomorrow is the last day of sweeps. Most shows have a break. NO new CBS either next week. So i think most shows are taking a break.
ReplyDeleteLol actually today is last day of november sweeps.
ReplyDeleteThanks :) But its really strange that more houses were watching POI than NCIS LA even if doesn't transate into higher nos than NCIS LA it proves one thing POi can survive on its own and NCIS LA needs a great lead like NCIS in to put up those big nos
ReplyDeleteI meant to say houses. Thanks for the correction.
ReplyDeleteShocked at SHIELD! I'm really glad that it went up so much, but this is rather unexpected... usually shows tend to go down and down, and this is coming out of the blue!
ReplyDeleteGreat for the show and for ABC!
a lot of surprises:
ReplyDelete-That's a stunning rise for SHIELD (up 33% from last week!) Looks like NCIS may have had a bigger effect on it than I thought. I concur with omabin's idea of flipping the comedies and SHIELD come midseason: it's not a huge move and there's a ton of upside if it works.
-Dancing With The Stars actually took a considerable chunk out of The Voice! Is this the night The Voice finally edges below a 3? (It might have already done this a few weeks ago, actually. I can't remember.) And Chicago Fire suffered a bit, too, although that only takes it back to where it was in its first season. I think it'll still be pretty strong in the demos (maybe down a tenth to a 1.8?)
-NCIS:LA down 20% without the mothership? Yikes. That's going to sting in the demos. (Maybe airing opposite Dancing hurt it more than the lack of NCIS, though.) Strong showing for Person Of Interest, though. It's clear at this point it doesn't need a lead-in to stand.
-FOX's comedy block may be low-rated but it's incredibly stable. The Originals is a hit.
Well, I am not sure if it's pathetic. I think there's value added in basically getting an extension of NCIS every week, effectively getting 2 hours of the show instead of 1. I talked about this in my CBS article last week. The main argument is that the NCIS lead-in is being wasted but the fact is that they've been using the NCIS-LA lead-in instead and while lower, it's not that much lower that we should believe the effect was significant. This means that shows like Unforgettable and Vegas would most likely still have failed if given the bigger lead-in and the only thing CBS would achieve would be to effectively reduce LA's gains. So I am not sure why that's viewed as a negative. Sometimes big lead-ins should be used to develop big hits that can later stand on its own. Other times I think it's fine that networks use them to guarantee stability of that subsquent hour.
ReplyDeleteAlso, regarding Private Practice, my previous argument still applies. I would also add that I don't think the show would have done so bad as people assume on its own if moved when it was stronger. The show was already close to the end when airing after Grey's in season 5. And I would call our attention to the fact that it did hold up well when moved to Tuesdays at the end of season 5 AND during the first 2 episodes or so of season 6. The problem was that after that it got one of the most incompatible lead-ins in the world, Apartment 23, which means it was badly hurt. Sure, you can argue that it wasn't strong enough to survive such a lousy lead-in after 6 years, but I am not sure which show would be. I think it even outgrew it in a couple of occasions (not totally sure about this). I think these shows play a role and have value.
probably a repeat.
ReplyDeleteYeah it does. That's a good sign for POI.
ReplyDeleteDancing with the stars may have been stronger than usual due to the finale effect but the show is hardly a ratings powerhouse. It has struggled to achieve a 2.0 in recent weeks. Also, I don't think POI has been lead-in dependent. It had incompatible lead-ins for the first two seasons (How to Be a Gentleman, Rules of Engagement and Two and a Half Men), and only one of those was effectively high rated.
ReplyDeleteYup. And considering how EPIC the show was last night I am hardly surprised!
ReplyDeleteNot to mention the fact that it got SERIES HIGHS without any sort of strong lead-in what so ever.
ReplyDeleteNo NCIS is the reason for that.
ReplyDeleteThe demo wont be that great in my opinion just the numbers of viewers that tune into it will be great and it might have an effect on both of these shows.
ReplyDeleteI checked. They are airing "1.05 - Girl in the Flower Dress", which is a good decision as 1.10 is a continuation of the Centipede storyline.
ReplyDeleteBut it was never really tested on its own also. The same with Scandal its always safely placed after Greys Anatomy and never airing without its lead in. And POI has also that weird thing that happen every Spring when their ratings go way down.
ReplyDeleteHoly shit SHIELD that is great especially because storywise it has really been gain momentum in the last few weeks. ABC will be very happy if the show can rise in the demo like this.
ReplyDeleteA lot of show has fared against no competition and they haven't seen such rating boost. For example, Elementary didn't benefit when Scandal was a repeat. No new NCSI certainly helped, but the growth is so considerable that there must be some other factors involved (I even believed ABC numbers were inflated or something, because it's very rare to see this growth)
ReplyDeleteI think we'll have to see if it will be adjusted down, but here's hoping!
ReplyDeleteThe Voice season low for a regular telecast is a 3.2 I believe.
ReplyDeleteI think we should wait for demo before declaring such a huge growth. Also, I think some shows have more crossed audience than others. It's possible Elementary and Scandal have no crossed audience and that NCIS and Shield have a huge crossed audience. Another example is CSI and Chicago Fire last year. I also think (but I have to check) that SVU always goes up when CM is in repeats.
ReplyDeleteThanks. The repeat they've chosen does make sense then but I am not sure why they are airing a repeat now instead of the fall finale. It's very odd to make a pre-finale repeat...
ReplyDeleteTell me about it lol
ReplyDeletePOI? Airing after How to Be a Gentleman and Rules is a pretty good test I would say. Besides, in its first two seasons, Thurdays at 9 was a crowded place. Grey's was stronger than it is, The Office was still respectable and it even faced Idol a few times I believe.
ReplyDeleteIt does appear that NCIS and AoS share an audience. That may not be the case on Elementary and Scandal.
ReplyDeleteI was almost positive they'd take a break as they did air 4 episodes in a row.
ReplyDeleteBut why not air 5 and then have the break straight away? Have a break, then 1 episode, then a break seems ridiculous to me.
ReplyDeleteDidn't How To Be a Gentleman air on Tuesday? and that for 3 episodes before it was shipped to Saturday after May sweeps. I know POI aired after Rules and Rob. And even they were considered a good lead in. And last year with Two and a half men they gotten a good lead in also.
ReplyDeleteGood to know. Thank you!
ReplyDeleteJust looking at the overnights, you can already tell there's going to be a huge bump in the demos, probably above 3s. I don't know if NCSI and AoS share audience, though both skew male, but one is crime drama and the other one is sci-fi/fantasy drama, so.... they usually gather different audiences.
ReplyDeleteI think what you could expect is that, with no new NCSI, AoS rose from a 2.4 last week to a 2.6 or so, but it looks like the difference is going to be huge, but as you said, we need to see the demos
The break in the fall may piss some people off, but I actually don't mind them. The more breaks they take in the fall, they lesser they'll have to take in the winter/spring, which can sometimes be as long as three weeks before a new episode.
ReplyDeleteIt aired Thursdays but just for a few episodes, yes.
ReplyDeleteI however dispute the notion that a good lead-in should be measures solely based on the numbers it pulls - compatibility plays as much, if not bigger, of a role. It's the Body of Proof paradigm.
Last year, the show's core audience was a 1.2 - that was the number it got after flop shows like The Taste, which was scoring 1.1-1.4 by then. This didn't change when the show got the great Bachelor lead-in, which pulled a 2.6 -still a 1.2. However, as soon as the compatible DWTS resuls showed up on the night with a 2.0, there goes BOP directly from 1.2 to 1.5 and it would never leave the 1.4-1.6 range with DWTS results as lead-in. Compatibility matters a lot.
Same here. Another great episode last night. Always interesting to see the ins and outs of this rating's craziness too. :)
ReplyDeleteI will wait for the demos to get back to you on that. But the idea that people cannot watch both crime dramas and a hybrid show like Shield (it's not heavy sci-fi nor fantasy and it has a lot of crime drama elements too) may not be true. I don't actually watch NCIS but I watch a number of other traditional crime dramas (H50, Bones, Castle) and I do watch Shield.
ReplyDeleteIt had a 2.5 in both half hours. Almost no effect. There appears to be no crossover after all.
ReplyDeleteAnd SHIELD rose a tenth from last week's 2.4. Settle around here and you'll be alright!
ReplyDeleteI prefer bigger and less frequent breaks than smaller and every now and then breaks. To each his own I suppose.
ReplyDeleteHere are the 1/2 hr breakdowns
ReplyDelete8:00 p.m.
ABC – Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
Viewers: 9.39 million (#2), A18-49: 2.5/ 8 (#2)
CBS – Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer (R)
Viewers: 10.84 million (#1), A18-49: 2.7/ 8 (#1)
NBC – The Biggest Loser
Viewers: 6.27 million (#3), A18-49: 1.8/ 6 (#3)
Fox – Dads
Viewers: 3.18 million (#4), A18-49: 1.2/ 4 (#4)
CW – The Originals
Viewers: 2.38 million (#5), A18-49: 1.1/ 3 (#5)
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8:30 p.m.
ABC – Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
Viewers: 9.21 million (#2), A18-49: 2.5/ 7 (#2)
CBS – Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer (R)
Viewers: 11.94 million (#1), A18-49: 3.2/ 9 (#1)
NBC – The Biggest Loser
Viewers: 6.84 million (#3), A18-49: 2.1/ 6 (#3)
Fox – Brooklyn Nine-Nine
Viewers: 3.71 million (#4), A18-49: 1.5/ 4 (#4)
CW – The Originals
Viewers: 2.25 million (#5), A18-49: 1.1/ 3 (#5)
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9:00 p.m.
ABC – Dancing With the Stars (season finale)
Viewers: 13.97 million (#1), A18-49: 2.3/ 6 (#3)
CBS – NCIS: Los Angeles
Viewers: 12.40 million (#2), A18-49: 2.5/ 7 (#2)
NBC – The Voice
Viewers: 9.69 million (#3), A18-49: 2.8/ 8 (#1)
Fox – New Girl
Viewers: 3.51 million (#4), A18-49: 1.9/ 5 (#4)
CW – Supernatural
Viewers: 2.58 million (#5), A18-49: 1.1/ 3 (#5)
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9:30 p.m.
ABC – Dancing With the Stars (season finale)
Viewers: 14.36 million (#1), A18-49: 2.3/ 6 (#2t)
CBS – NCIS: Los Angeles
Viewers: 11.98 million (#2), A18-49: 2.3/ 6 (#2t)
NBC – The Voice
Viewers: 10.37 million (#3), A18-49: 2.9/ 8 (#1)
Fox – The Mindy Project
Viewers: 2.65 million (#4), A18-49: 1.4/ 4 (#4)
CW – Supernatural
Viewers: 2.21 million (#5), A18-49: 0.9/ 2 (#5)
———-
10:00 p.m.
ABC – Dancing With the Stars (season finale)
Viewers: 14.65 million (#1), A18-49: 2.4/ 7 (#1)
CBS – Person of Interest
Viewers: 11.83 million (#2), A18-49: 2.2/ 6 (#2t)
NBC – Chicago Fire
Viewers: 7.30 million (#3), A18-49: 2.2/ 6 (#2t)
———-
10:30 p.m.
ABC – Dancing With the Stars (season finale)
Viewers: 15.43 million (#1), A18-49: 2.6/ 8 (#1)
CBS – Person of Interest
Viewers: 11.56 million (#2), A18-49: 2.1/ 6 (#2)
NBC – Chicago Fire
Viewers: 6.62 million (#3), A18-49: 2.0/ 6 (#3)
I've seen a mixed reaction. But even if an episode is disliked, the ratings often will only be reflected the next week, not this week. Or in the second half-hour.
ReplyDeleteThats true but i would like to see what their core numbers look like. Same goes for Scandal. Because no matter what a good lead in help a shows ratings as it shown time and time again by what ever the NBC put after the Voice.
ReplyDelete.2 drop for SPN. I wonder if they're going to be adjusted down.
ReplyDeleteGiven that the episode wasn't hugely popular, I won't be shocked if it is, although sometimes that effect doesn't show up until the following week.
Some SPN episodes this season have been good and some have been...not good. If they would just increase their quality a little they'd be more likely to stay at or above 1.0.
Rudolph! (Again)!
ReplyDeleteThat's exactly my point. It doesn't always help shows! It depends on how compatible they are!
ReplyDelete- Body of Proof got no help from The Bachelor
- The Goldbergs didn't fluctuate despite the shield lead-in repeat
- Sean Saves the World had a very minimal rise despite the huge the voie lead-in
- Supernatural barely fluctuated despite airing after a 0.2 lead-in instead of the usual 1.0 lead-in from TO
There are a lot of examples of lead-ins mattering, but there are a tone of examples of lead-ins not mattering as well. It comes down to compatibility.
CW Halves ^^
ReplyDeleteThe Originals:
2.38 million 1.1/ 3 (#5)
2.25 million 1.1/ 3 (#5)
Supernatural
2.58 million 1.1/ 3 (#5)
2.21 million 0.9/ 2 (#5)
LA sharply down in audience, yet holds off in the demo. I can live with that. Elsewhere, SHIELD increased a lot in audience yet it only is up a tenth in the demo. The Voice is also a series low, I think.
ReplyDeleteNo-way will it be adjusted down. Supernatural either is steady or adjusted up in finals, especially with a 2.58 million half hour.
ReplyDeleteIf anything I think it will adjust up.
The moral of today's ratings is never to trust the household numbers.
ReplyDelete-I really thought SHIELD would rise more...maybe even break a 3. Settling is good too, though!
-Surprising that ChiFire did so well in the demo despite dropping 10% in households.
-Yikes at The Voice. If it's already sub-3 in the fall, where's it going to be in the spring?
-RUDOLPH :)
-On a side note, Brooklyn 9-9 has clearly carved out its own niche. It built on Dads by three tenths. Good for it. I don't think airing after New Girl will do it a lot of good but it certainly won't hurt!
Really disappointed that AoS rose 2.4m in viewers but only rose a tenth in the demo.
ReplyDeleteSupernatural seems to have done well this week, I'm so glad as I enjoyed the episode. I just hope it doesn't go down in the final ratings.
ReplyDeleteI think they were adjusted down once last season - it was episode 8 of last season, actually, I believe (Hunter Heroici). And this is episode 8....not that that means anything.
ReplyDeleteDo shows with .2 drops like that usually adjust down?
I do hope it at least stays at 1.0. We'll see I guess.
hopefully it adjusts up!
ReplyDeleteHalf hours don't indicate adjustments, only the overage (1.0). The adjustments usually take place when there was preemptions.
ReplyDeleteWere there any?
ReplyDeleteI know it adjusted up two weeks ago.
It appears that AOS was simply able to take advantage of the older viewers from NCIS. We could hope for an upwards adjustment anyway. Still, I think it's still a pretty respectable job. 125% of ABC's drama average is excellent. And, new shows wise, only The Blacklist is still doing better and, as much as I love it, I don't believe it would do better than 2.5s on its own. The Voice had a 4. something in its last half hour on Monday so The Blacklist number is still likely to be inflated by it.
ReplyDeleteDo you mean if it has been adjusted down this year? It has been once on October 16th from a 1.1 to a 1.0...I know it has been adjusted up quite a few times as well.
ReplyDeleteI am not sure why people are hating on the voice ratings. It has a decent chance of adjusting up and I don't think the voice behaves as a scripted show that declines every year. Wasn't the spring edition (Excluding the summer deflated portion) up year to year from the fall anyway?
ReplyDeleteOh, I didn't realize it had been adjusted down this season. I'd forgotten. Thanks.
ReplyDeleteI meant if there had been any preemptions last night.
Go SHEILD!
ReplyDeleteI just realized what you meant after I commented. :) Not that I know of. I know there are a few other factors that play into adjustments too, like if a show aired a few minutes late.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if that's the case with TO and the first half-hour of SPN.
ReplyDeleteBody Of Proof always skewed more older then the Bachelor so i guess the higher numbers of viewers watching Dancing of the Stars helped. With the Goldbergs i think it was more the issue of Fox not airing comedies then with the fact that its independent from its lead in. I am not gonna touch the NBC because it feels like kicking a wounded puppy. With Supernatural being in its 9th yea it should be a self starter.Its always in the 0.9-1.1 area this season. Whats surprising is the fact that it actually fell from 1.1 to a 0,9 in the half hours. I don't remember that happening before.
ReplyDeleteAt least it didn't drop, so that's good.
ReplyDeletehmm, good point. starting earlier this year may work in its benefit.
ReplyDeleteThe Originals already beat SPN on its 3rd episode. It had 1.1 and SPN had 1.0 then too.
ReplyDeleteActually, the Voice had 3.5/ 9 during its last half hour yesterday, not 4. something.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.tvmediainsights.com/forum/?mingleforumaction=viewtopic&t=4596.6
ReplyDeleteHere, check the post of Sonofthebronx. The Voice did a 4.3 in the final hour as per finals.
That's not the final hour, that's a minute.. it had 3.6/9 during the 9:30 half hour and at 10:00 it spiked to 4.3 because people tuned it to see the Blacklist. That's actually good news for The Blacklist.
ReplyDelete9:30 The Voice
– HH: 7.0/10; Viewers: 11.688 million; A18-49: 3.6/9; A25-54: 4.5/10; A18-34: 2.8/8; W18-34: 3.7/10
10:00 The Voice
– HH: 8.8/13; Viewers: 14.499 million; A18-49: 4.3/11; A25-54: 5.5/12; A18-34: 3.2/10; W18-34: 4.1/11
10:01 The Blacklist
– HH: 7.1/11; Viewers: 11.469 million; A18-49: 3.2/9; A25-54: 4.1/10; A18-34: 2.1/7; W18-34: 2.4/7
Ah yes. I remember that happening, but when I checked back the ratings, I didn't see it. I guess I missed week 3.
ReplyDeleteI really hope TB stabilizes in the mid 2s w/o The Voice
ReplyDeleteSo glad to see a strong Tuesday night for the CW after all this time.
ReplyDeleteI thought it would be beating SPN from the start of the season. The fact that there are 4 shows on the CW doing so well is amazing.
ReplyDeleteSPN crashed pretty hard in the second half not that I'm surprised.
ReplyDeleteI dont know looking at its viewers a 1.0 seems about right, in fact if I hadn't seen the half hours I would have predicted it to adjust up.
ReplyDeleteGood for PoI and SHIELD! Shame on me for being more than a year behind on PoI, lol. One day I'll catch up...
ReplyDeleteYeah sorry, you are right. I misread it. I am not sure if it's good news though. It's possible that it was early tuning for the blacklist or if the voice was spiking throughout the last half hour. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me that there would be a 4.3 early tuning and then a 3.2 at the 10.01, wouldn't you say? I think it's more likely that the voice spiked at 10 to a 4.3 and the blacklist then started at 3.2.
ReplyDeleteBut my point about retention still stands. The Voice effectively gave it a 4.3 lead-in. I sincerely doubt the show would do more than 2.5s on its own, AT BEST. And I love the show!
Please catch up. This season is on an incredible level now, the last 3 episodes have blown me away. Seriously. I thought it was an uneven show at some parts and not all procedural episodes draw you in, but right now it's a HUGE miss for you. I highly recommend it!
ReplyDeleteIMO, that's best case scenario. Depends on the slot and all. My guess would be low 2s, which still would be huge for NBC, mind you. The thing is that The Blacklist has one of the best situations ever. It has a ridiculously high lead-in and the only real competition it has is Castle - not even serious cable players at the time like on the other weekdays. It will be hard for that not to be reflected with a move.
ReplyDeleteThe Voice did a 2.9 once on Tuesday last summer. But I think there's a chance it could adjust up.
ReplyDeleteThat's one hefty drop for Supernatural. Damn.
ReplyDeleteGood to know! Yeah, a RL friend of mine also recommended that I catch up a couple of days ago. The funny thing is, *I* introduced him to the show back in Season 1, heh. The reason it was kinda hard for me to follow was that I usually can't stand case-of-the-week shows, and while PoI's overarching storyline is awesome, I felt there was too little of it and too much of the procedural stuff. But I take it Seasons 2 and 3 upped the serialization over time,. so I'll probably enjoy the series more as it progresses.
ReplyDeleteIndeed, but those are all examples of lead-ins not impacting a show's ratings. So lead-ins only matter if they are compatible!
ReplyDeleteI believe most people here misinterpret the effect of a lead-in. For instance, a show can be an awesome lead-in for another one even if it's lower rated. A great example of this is Glee/New Girl. Back in New Girl's first season, it would always rate higher than Glee, but it would always suffer significant losses when Glee was off. That's a great lead-in right there.
I also believe that in most cases (there are exceptions though) lead-ins only matter for an initial period of time. Revolution for instance, returned to ratings almost even with what was getting last spring and it was a first season show by then still - it's fair to say there was not much voice lead-in effect going on. There was some, but not that much. Even a show like Private Practice, which you brought up, you can argue was not really being propped up by Grey's at the end. Two examples:
- on 10/11/2011, it posted a 2.8 after Grey's Anatomy (4.2). One week later, it was asked to self start, at 9pm, and it posted a 2.6 on its own (it had a mere 1.6 lead-in). Considering it even moved hours in the process, the Grey's Anatomy effect was barely 0!
- on its last Thursday episode, it did a 2.1. Even though it fell a lot when moved to Tuesdays next week to a 1.7, this appears to have been the result of lack of knowledge (as Bones this year), because the week after it went back to 2.2, which was even better than what it was doing recently on Thursdays after Greys! Again, Grey's Anatomy effect was zero here!
Yes, the series does get more serialized as it goes on. You still have the standalone cases of the week in some episodes (although not all) but in every one there is still a lot of serialized stuff happening as B plot. However, I have to say that POI has some of the best standalone cases ever IMO. Sometimes I even enjoy them more than the serialized component which is really odd to me. I think they add a great dept to most of the standalone stories, so they are real interesting and don't feel like filler at all. Recently they've also been doing something which I really enjoy which is to use the cases of the week as reflections of what is going with the main characters. Also, the acting on this show is mind blowing. The last 3 weeks all had Emmy worthy performances in my humble opinion.
ReplyDeleteor people turned off half way through as could be the case here?
ReplyDeleteBehind on Supernatural but glad you found the episode enjoyable a good indicator that I might as well.
ReplyDeleteHi! I honestly didn't expect to enjoy it given the subject matter and the mediocre quality of the writing staff, but strangely enough I did.
ReplyDeleteOf course my liking it is no guarantee of you feeling the same, but if for nothing else you might enjoy Sammy looking so cute in his dark green shirt.I know I'm being rather shallow, but now and then, it's allowed! lol :)
we share a lot of the same opinions about the show and hey, I've been known to have my fangirl moments over the boys (and Felicia and Ms. Huffman, lol).
ReplyDeleteI stand corrected. With such audience growth I was sure it just shoot up out of nowhere, but now it seems that it only shoot up in total viewers, so it might have been due to NCSI abscense
ReplyDeleteI doubt so many people would tune in for just a minute.
ReplyDeleteNot for just one minute. It could have been:
ReplyDelete9h30: 3.3
9h35: 3.5
9h40: 3.7
9h45: 3.6
9h50: 3.9
9h55: 4.1
10h: 4.3
Which would average roughly the 3.6 it has. What is your alternative explanation? It makes no sense that the 4.3 spike was due to the blacklist early tune in when then you have the first hour doing a 3.2.
I still think the show is mightily impressive for holding that 3.0 for so long even with the voice declines. But the fact is that the voice did effectively provided it a 4.3 lead-in!
I didn't like the episode save for the sadness at the end (seriously poor Sam how much more can he take?) Oh and Jody too but the rest was pretty cringe worthy. But you should watch and form your own opinion, different strokes for different folks.
ReplyDeleteloved Sam's shirt, georgeous and sexy without even trying
ReplyDeleteMy explanation is that additional 0.7 tuned in for Blacklist at 10:00 and 1.1 of the Voice viewers tuned out as soon as The Voice ended.
ReplyDeleteI find that unlikely. I think it's more likely that we're both partially right and that the reality is something in between. As in the voice going to something close to a 4.0/4.1 organically and then the extra 0.2/0.3 being The Blacklist early tune in.
ReplyDeleteNo, it was just a drop in viewers over the half hour. SPN adjusted up in the finals.
ReplyDeleteIts funny even without it airing NCIS has a huge effect on the shows. NCIS LA didn't have the lead in from it and SHIELD went up as well. Really wish NCIS was on instead of Rudolph.
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