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9 Jan 2015

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  1. Tigercheetah9 January 2015 at 22:13

    This was an episode of two halves for me, I'd give the first half 6 out of 10 and the second half 9 out of 10...

    I am missing a bit of the humour from S1 - rather like Atlantis - but because The Musketeers is a better show all round, it doesn't bother me quite as much..

    The best scenes for me were those involving d'Artagnan, Louis and Milady and the final 5 minutes were especially gripping, with d'Artagnan first being asked to kill someone in cold blood - a shocking moment and d'Artagnan was brave to refuse to do so - and then meeting the widow and daughter of his murdered friend. ( I think he was played by 'Ray' from Eastenders? )

    Oh dear, Louis's not particularly likeable this year, though I suppose it was to be expected with the Cardinal gone..

    I wasn't expecting Athos to learn about Milady so soon and especially not actually seeing her this soon.

    Things are moving fast with Aramis and Margerite - too fast, which I'm sure is intentional.

    For a minute, I thought Constagnan wouldn't even be allowed to acknowledge each other when D'Artagnan and the King returned but happily they did.

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  2. Sunny9 January 2015 at 22:16

    I highly enjoyed it. So glad to see Louis doing something else. "Cards! I love cards!" =) While I did not expect a huge change of heart at the end of with Louis, it was a surprise to me to see him so extreme in his punishment and in his anger towards the Musketeers. So irrational.
    Treville sure is scowling a lot.
    Milady has never looked lovelier. Loved her hair. I was surprised to see how all were made aware of her presence so quickly. Interesting to see how this plays out. I expected just a tad more reaction from Athos.
    What WAS Constance wearing on her head during the christening?? Really???

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  3. Sandi9 January 2015 at 22:17

    This is the best episode yet for me I think, just perfect, I don't think I would change a thing about it. I adore Louis and d'Artagnan's relationship, even the betrayal at he end of it because it is so important in showing the difference between the two of them!


    The stuff at court was fascinating too, Rochefort seems unstoppable at the moment, what will it take??


    Nice on on the BBC & iPlayer front ;)

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  4. Sunny9 January 2015 at 22:17

    I'm not sure what I thought of the Constagnan acknowledgment. While I was glad there was some, I felt the happy looks and smiles a bit strange. They did just fight and he called her a coward...after she caught him kissing someone else. LOL


    Louis is rather becoming a darker character. Which must be fun for Gage to play. But I have to admit, it still surprises me at times.

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  5. Scoobie9 January 2015 at 22:17

    I absolutely loved it. Luka in particular, was fantastic. Beautiful parallel with last week and Constance's fears for her own future if he was lost. Pepin was a fine man and in seeing the plight of his widow and daughter, D'Artagnan undoubtedly learned his lesson well. The air of petulance we saw last week was definitely replaced by the honourable and noble young Musketeer we all love. Clearly his beloved is softening too.😉 That moment when Richefort grabbed Constance's arm felt horribly ominous. Definitely not an enemy you want to make. Still, she has a wonderful champion. I really like the spoilt brat characterisation of Louis. If he could get past the arrogance and laziness born of an indulged youth, there is a good man there. Sadly, he's utterly weak and totally misguided.

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  6. Tigercheetah9 January 2015 at 22:18

    Like with The Homecoming, I'm still not particularly fond of CSI Muskleteers - lol - because it slows the storyline down for me but thankfully, it was less obvious here than it was in The Homecoming.

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  7. Sandi9 January 2015 at 22:18

    I was the same, the first promos had me very unsure about it, but the cast drew me in in season 1 very quickly. Aramis is in such an impossible situation at the moment, he really must feel that tug towards his son, but what can he do.... :(

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  8. Sunny9 January 2015 at 22:19

    Looking forward to next week! Colin Salmon! And Antonia looks lovely. And Milady is murdering people for clothes. LOL

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  9. Sunny9 January 2015 at 22:19

    That tug is very obvious. Or Marguerite is oblivious. Or both. =)

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  10. Sunny9 January 2015 at 22:27

    Hahahaha! A site troll....with nothing better to do, I see.

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  11. Emma9 January 2015 at 22:27

    I think it was more of a relieved smile so that when they saw eachother they weren't really thinking of their previous meeting but rather they were both ok. I dont think this necessarily means she is any less forgiving and vice versa but they do love eachother and I think the knowledge of eachothers safety trumps an argument, although I do see where youre coming from! :)

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  12. Tigercheetah9 January 2015 at 22:28

    I think Constance is strong enough not to hold a grudge against someone she loves - and who loves her in return - for that long. If she's bright - which she is - she'll know that it was d'Artagnan's broken heart that made him react like he did in episode 1.

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  13. Helen9 January 2015 at 22:29

    King Louis just favourited my tweet - I am honoured! :)

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  14. Sunny9 January 2015 at 22:29

    Yes, this is true. I think it also felt that way to me because it happened at the end with the music playing and the family reunited and so forth....that made it less awkward looking, I guess.

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  15. Sunny9 January 2015 at 22:30

    Oh, I agree. But not holding a grudge doesn't mean things aren't awkward. LOL I guess that is what i was expecting.

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  16. Sunny9 January 2015 at 22:30

    Nice!

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  17. Sandi9 January 2015 at 22:31

    Agreed, it carried on d'Artagnan's story from last week beautifully I think. The writers are doing a great job this year at carrying over themes from episode to episode, while at he same time making them stand alone too, so that new viewers can dip in and out. I think it marvellously myself!
    Rochefort is such a dangerous man, his threat seems to grow with each episode really. He's also highly intelligent and Machiavellian - he knew he had to make some sort of apology to Constance to get her on side as much as possible!

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  18. Sandi9 January 2015 at 22:31

    Ryan Gage is wonderful for reading fans tweets, he really does take notice of his fans and appreciates them. Bit of an all round star :)

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  19. Tigercheetah9 January 2015 at 22:32

    I don't think anyone was expecting Louis to ask D'Artagnan to commit murder and it's this kind of scene that puts the show well above many others in my view.

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  20. Helen9 January 2015 at 22:32

    I was expecting a more relieved look from both of them, rather than a beaming smile but if it means a reunion is closer then I'm ok with it! I agree it was a bit strange after they had just fought. ;)

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  21. Emma9 January 2015 at 22:33

    I have to say I really loved this episode it was the perfect balance of humor and emotion and the acting was superb. I loved D'artagnan's face when he saw milady it was priceless! My favourite scene though was definitely the end. D'artagnan really surprised me and in my eyes redeemed himself for last week. The emotion he showed and when he spoke to the little girl; heartbreaking. I really loved that moment when they all put together their money, it really was heartwarming.

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  22. Sunny9 January 2015 at 22:33

    It does look like they won't get too much interaction next week....and we only have so many episodes to make this work out. So I hope it's written well, and it's not a case of "we both work at the palace now and bump into each other so everything is fine." They need some significant interaction eventually.

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  23. Sunny9 January 2015 at 22:34

    I loved his face then too! I wasn't expecting it either as I thought he first noticed her when she steps on him in his sleep. So funny.

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  24. Sandi9 January 2015 at 22:35

    A message from Ryan & Luca

    https://twitter.com/RyanGage/status/553673684331008000

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  25. Helen9 January 2015 at 22:38

    Yes, I really loved Luka in this episode - those eyes show so much emotion. That last scene with the widow and daughter were really touching, as well as his face when Pepin was killed. He is such a good actor.

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  26. Sandi9 January 2015 at 22:39

    That was a heartfelt last scene, the Musketeers carrying out what the King should of done - what he promised he would do! - for the real ordinary man of the episode.

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  27. Tigercheetah9 January 2015 at 22:40

    My love for Luke as an actor is growing all the time, he's balancing D'Artagnan's youth and naivety with hints of the great Musketeer he will become and of course the writers are too.

    I liked that Milady saved him, even though she did have her own motives. I wonder if she would have saved him had Louis not been with him?

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  28. Sandi9 January 2015 at 22:43

    Oh, the thing about the christening that I wanted to say, but had to wait until you saw it. Some of you may have seen my Tweet as it happened anyway, but did the ray of sunshine as Louis held the Dauphin up mean anything? Is this definitely Louis XIV, The Sun King then?

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  29. Helen9 January 2015 at 22:46

    Yes, the writers are doing a brilliant job of carrying over the story from the previous episodes. It improves the viewing. Thankfully, Constance is brave and intelligent enough to stand up to Rochefort, although not sure I'd want to make an enemy of him! :)

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  30. Tigercheetah9 January 2015 at 22:51

    Interesting possibility....

    I wasn't keen on the idea of Aramis being the father of the Sun King - I'm still not really - but if this is the King who d'Artagnan serves as Captain one day, then I suppose it ties him and Aramis together quite nicely.

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  31. deeannjay9 January 2015 at 23:16

    I'd be very surprised if Marguerite doesn't suss out the situation before too long!

    I do hope we get to see more of Aramis in the next few episodes than we have in the opening 2 eps of Series 2, I've been quite disappointed by the how little we have seen of him this week and last. There were some nice moments tonight and it was good to see Louis in a totally different context, but I have to say I found it the least engaging of any of the 12 eps I've seen so far. (And no, it wasn't me who voted "Awful"! I haven't actually voted, but would have gone for "Good" if I had).

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  32. Helen9 January 2015 at 23:16

    I didn't think Aramis seemed that taken with Marguerite - although when she kissed him it seemed to suddenly dawn on him that it was an excuse to get close to the Dauphin. I definitely think this is going to end very badly, especially if/when she realises he is just using her to get close to the Dauphin.

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  33. Sandi9 January 2015 at 23:22

    We seem to be having episodes that highlight a character at a time again in a way, albeit slightly differently to S1 I think. Next week is certainly more Porthos led, and then after the week's break, we come back with the Aramis one.

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  34. deeannjay9 January 2015 at 23:24

    Ah, that's interesting. Aramis and Porthos are my 2 favourite characters on the show, so I will look forward to that. Also, I hadn't realised there will be a week's break.

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  35. Sandi9 January 2015 at 23:34

    The break is something that I think the BBC have tried really hard to avoid, but the FA Cup rounds have made it impossible. They could have run them when the match finished, but I guess then you run the risk of them over running, then people turn over, get into another program and don't turn back. So the break is the best option unfortunately :(


    Justyna, who does the reviews for the show, and I are looking into running a few things during that week to keep fans entertained though hopefully :)

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  36. Scoobie9 January 2015 at 23:47

    Making them fashion victims😜......no?....I'll get my coat....😄

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  37. Scoobie9 January 2015 at 23:54

    As Tamla said, a doily.😄

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  38. Page10 January 2015 at 00:10

    I don't think it suddenly dawned on him. I think he's worried that the Cardinal might have put a plot in motion against the dauphin before he died, and that the dauphin is in danger. I think that's why he was asking if the dauphin was guarded day and night, etc. It's not the best thought out plan, but I don't think it just spontaneously occurred to him when she kissed him.

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  39. Page10 January 2015 at 00:11

    That totally made me laugh.

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  40. Scoobie10 January 2015 at 00:14

    I think she can't help feeling proud of him. She has absolute faith in him and he more than lived up to her belief. I think despite their differences, she was just bursting with pride and love and love and when she's in a room, he's drawn to her like a moth to a flame.

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  41. Scoobie10 January 2015 at 00:17

    This is my concern. That once again it'll be badly paced and we'll have weeks of occasional glances then suddenly they'll be ripping each other's clothes off and the next week they'll face yet another apparently insurmountable problem.

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  42. deeannjay10 January 2015 at 00:19

    Thanks for the info, Sandi. In a way I don't mind the break as it will mean the series lasts that bit longer - I was thinking only the other day that it would be half-over by the end of January! Plus, we will have the stuff that Justyna and yourself are kindly planning......

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  43. Scoobie10 January 2015 at 00:27

    She's a fantastic judge of character and as I thought, she's figured out Rochefort pretty instantly. I'm hoping that once she and D'Artagnan sort out their issues, she'll be able to share her concerns with him.

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  44. Scoobie10 January 2015 at 01:00

    It's also the second week in a row that we've been assured of D'Artagnan's virility...I'm sorry but was anyone actually doubting this?!😉😍

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  45. CutePoison10 January 2015 at 03:16

    Such a great episode. d'Artagnan is my favourite character, but I also feel like he's the one we know the least about, so it was nice to get some information about his father. Clearly they were very close his whole life - so it makes sense that when his father died he would go charging into the Musketeer garrison to avenge him, regardless of the consequences. For all that he's supposed to be impulsive, I feel like he's actually not normally that way, that he only loses his cool when it has to do with his father (ex. the pilot, Labarge and his father's farm). In most situations he's extremely quick-witted under pressure - this episode, also with Vadim. I really enjoy that about his character, that he doesn't fall into the "cocky young male lead who acts before he thinks" trope.

    I had to pause it when Milady showed up because I was laughing so hard at the look on d'Artagnan's face. He looked like he couldn't be more surprised if a zombie Cardinal in drag was in front of him instead. Definitely the funniest moment of the episode.

    Also, Milady seemed a little surprised about how vehement d'Artagnan was about their "relationship". Both in the season finale and again here, I feel like she doesn't understand how he will always, always choose Athos and their friendship over her, and he is secure enough in their friendship to know that his sleeping with Milady is not an issue. I think this gives an insight to her character, which you saw in tonight's episode : her relationships with people are based on her manipulation and presenting a certain version of herself. Therefore she can never really understand the genuine respect, trust and love that d'Artagnan and Athos share, and that all 4 Musketeers share between each other.

    So are they just going to always refer to the baby as "the Dauphin" so they don't have to commit one way or the other that this is Louis XIV the Sun King, who was actually born 7 years later? I was hoping to get a name at the christening. I mean, isn't one of the main points of a baptism to name the baby in the presence of God?

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  46. Julia10 January 2015 at 05:48

    What a fabulous episode! The humour, emotion and action was all there and balanced really well throughout. Blown away by both Luke and Ryan this week. The "bonding" moment talking about their fathers was nice but oh my goodness Louis betrayal at the very end?!?!?!!! D'Artagnan was quite the noble man in this episode. First he avenged Pepin's death, stood his ground when Louis asked him to kill sebastian's brother and then by visiting Pepin's family at the end which was quite a touching moment and I may or may not have teared up ;) Luke was incredible. The emotion that you see in his eyes is just too much for my heart to handle sometimes haha. I also need to applaud the writing behind D'Artagnan's character as well. I am loving the growth that we have seen and I look forward to seeing how the writers will further progress with it in the future. Rochefort and Constance's scenes were interesting. I loved her line where she basically told Rochefort that she will never tell him anything about the Queen's affairs. Good for her for staying strong and loyal (like we know she is). Being the constagnan shipper that I am, her defending D'Artagnan before Rochefort was a nice tidbit as well as the quick smile shared by constagnan at the christening <3 I just quickly need to mention that D'artagnan's face when he first see's Milady again had me cracking up! Same goes for when the rest of the musketeers see her as well! Super excited for next week!

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  47. Tigercheetah10 January 2015 at 06:19

    One of the things that knocked a point off the early part of this episode for me was the fact that, despite the fact the King of France has gone missing, only three Musketeers have been sent to find him or so it felt. This was one of those occasions when the writers should have made it a touch more realistic and had it 'seem' like many Musketeers were out looking for him..

    But otherwise, it was indeed a very good episode.. :)

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  48. Tigercheetah10 January 2015 at 07:20

    Alas, had Louis learned any lessons in this episode, Rochefort would not be able to dig his claws in even further...

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  49. Tigercheetah10 January 2015 at 07:36

    I noticed that even though D'Artagnan was the featured Musketeer in last night's episode, there was a lot of stuff happening elsewhere as well. Is this pattern continued in episodes 3 and 4, with several storylines continuing, alongside the featured one?

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  50. Tigercheetah10 January 2015 at 11:51

    Apparently last nights episode retained its 3.6 million viewers, whereas Benidorm dropped nearly a million to around 4.5 million.
    Still waiting on episode 1's consolidated figures.

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  51. Scoobie10 January 2015 at 11:58

    That's positive news. It demonstrates that the series has a steady fanbase. Benidorm is also benefitting from the lead in from Coronation Street. I'd also be interested to see what the consolidated figures look like. This week's Musketeers will also get a BBC Three re-run on Wednesday. So that shoukd also add to the figures. It's important that fans keep watching on iPlayer and do what they can to keep the figures steady.

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  52. Sandi10 January 2015 at 13:18

    That's good news. A steady figure with no drop off, even though it isn't brilliant, isn't too shabby. In fact I'll go as far to say it's unheard of these days, shows *always* drop a lot of their audience after the first episode. I think that is a minor victory tbh. Hopefully the consolidated figures are good when they come out too later today/tomorrow, and the iPlayer ones next month.

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  53. Sandi10 January 2015 at 13:20

    Yep, keep plugging that iPlayer link, and encourage fans to rewatch on there instead of their recordings. May seem a minor inconvenience, but it could make all the difference. It's leapt up to number 8 over night, and the first episode is still in the Top 40 too. The fans are doing great :)

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  54. Tigercheetah10 January 2015 at 15:12

    Something that's just been pointed out - which I didn't think about the first time I watched it - was that when d'Artagnan took the money to the widow and her child, it represented what might happen to Constance if she left Bonacieux. Will d'Artagnan have picked up on that?

    If the smiley pic of Luke and Tamla on the horse is actually d'Artagnan and Constance, I wonder if Bonacieux WILL BE out of the way by the end of the series, enabling Constance to be with d'Artagnan in a more secure way?

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  55. Tigercheetah10 January 2015 at 15:15

    There are times when I still miss Murray Gold's musical score - I especially miss his love themes ( Athos / Milady, d'Artagnan / Constance & Aramis / Anne ) - but on repeat viewings, I warm to Englishby that little bit more. :)

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  56. Sandi10 January 2015 at 19:40

    As soon as you saw the difference in how Louis and d'Artagnan reacted to the death of Pepin you just knew how they both would behave once their ordeal was over. They are such different men when you cut right down to their core, and nothing will ever change that I don't think.

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  57. Sandi10 January 2015 at 19:44

    Interesting question, I think she may have still tried some sort of plan as it would have undoubtedly gained her brownie points, so to speak. Rescuing the king was really what saved her, as we worked out in the speculation thread over the summer only his protection would be able to stop Athos from carrying out his threat after all. But d'Artagnan is also a very honest man, if she rescued him and instigated the end of Gus and Lemaitre's slave trade then I think it would have gone a long way towards getting her on the right side of the royals somehow.

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  58. Helen10 January 2015 at 19:50

    I thought the whole christening scene was beautiful. That ray of sunshine may have been significant - I guess it will depend on how historically accurate they want it to be. Was there any particular reason that Louis XIV was known as the 'Sun King'? I'm not very good with French history! It doesn't bother me if it turns out to be him but I can understand why some people wouldn't want it to be so.

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  59. Sandi10 January 2015 at 19:52

    Agreed, it was an excellent scene to add to the episode, and a harsh lesson for d'Artagnan (and in some ways the audience) to learn. The king is not going to change, he will always blame others for the bad things that happen as that is easier for him to do. Gage does well at playing all the different sides of this character without compromising him, I love how he manages to pull it off. Luca and Warren too were outstanding in that scene, playing the opposite forces. Lovely!

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  60. Sandi10 January 2015 at 19:56

    Yeah pretty much. They seem to have a continuing arc running but with a stand alone aspect to it too, much like the last two episodes. They work quite well in that regard I think.

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  61. Sandi10 January 2015 at 20:07

    I quite enjoyed the humour in last night's episode, the opening teaser and the Musketeers questioning Gus for the first time. It does seem a bit darker in that respect I guess over all, there are still one liners - like Louis' "That's because you never had a valet" - but they seem to get lost in the urgency of the action perhaps.


    I don't watch Eastenders, but I think Ray was played by Charles Venn iirc from the casting news at the time, who's going to be in episode 4.


    Athos was very stoic about Milady wasn't he, typical for him though after all. I imagine he went to the tavern and got totally hammered that night XD

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  62. Michelle Stock10 January 2015 at 20:14

    Another great episode in the bag! Right amount of humour, action and Court intrigue! Agree with a lot of the comments that D'artagnan may now understand what Constance was trying to tell him last week, that if anything should happen to him......... Have voted and downloaded from BBC i-player too to watch again for all the little nuances I missed first time round!! Loving Season 2 so far!!

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  63. Lubbeelou10 January 2015 at 20:16

    Loved it!! Plenty of twists and turns! Not sure how I feel about Louis & Anne now though!

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  64. Sandi10 January 2015 at 20:28

    It's a name he chose for himself, it's to do with Apollo - the god of sun and light, truth and peace. He had a lot to do with reuniting the country under a steady rule, and promoted arts and unity. He was one of the most successful rulers in Europe ever essentially, the complete opposite of his father, lol.

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  65. Sandi10 January 2015 at 20:29

    I think they are being deliberately vague about the Dauphin, it's frustrating in some ways isn't it, lol.

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  66. Sandi10 January 2015 at 20:31

    I adored the way d'Artagnan avenged Pepin's death, what a hero. He made that stunt look so simple and easy! I sure hope that we get a breakdown of that one in the BTS videos this week :)

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  67. Helen10 January 2015 at 20:32

    Thanks Sandi - you know so much! I will have to read up about him. :)

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  68. Sandi10 January 2015 at 20:34

    Hmm, I didn't have a problem with only the three closest bodyguards looking for the king and d'Artagnan. It was made clear a couple of times in the script that no-one was to know that he was missing after all. Rochefort came up with the cover story that he was in his chambers with a mild head cold, so as far as most people were aware there was nothing amiss so that no scandal could be made of it.

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  69. Sandi10 January 2015 at 20:37

    That is very positive news indeed, cheers for that news! It's up to number 2 in iPlayer atm, I had thought it would have trouble with Death in Paradise and Thurs Eastenders, but it's sailed past them :)

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  70. Sandi10 January 2015 at 20:40

    Me too, I have to admit that I am preferring his soundtrack to Gold's by quite some margin, that was a minor bugbear for me last year I'm afraid. I love his work on other shows, but apart from the opening theme tune it often didn't sit right for me on Musketeers.

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  71. Sandi10 January 2015 at 20:42

    You're welcome. Bit of a medieval history geek, I know very little about other (arguably more important) things lol.

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  72. Sandi10 January 2015 at 20:46

    It's a great one to rewatch, lots of little bits to go over, especially between Louis and d'Artagnan. They really did work well as characters together, it's almost a shame that it ended so badly for them as I would love to see more of their adventures. But I think it was necessary to show just how the same experience can have such an opposing effect on people - just as the murder of their fathers did too.

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  73. Sandi10 January 2015 at 20:48

    Lots of drama this week, and quite complex too, which I do love :) I think Louis and Anne are going to be having a few troubles in their future unfortunately!

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  74. Michelle Stock10 January 2015 at 21:42

    Have just rewatched last nights episode and think my favourite line is ' as a spy you have your uses, but as a man you disgust me'

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  75. Scoobie10 January 2015 at 21:53

    I wonder if we'll get any Louis/Milady shipper "Milouis" or "Milis" perhaps.:)

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  76. Gemma10 January 2015 at 22:18

    I think this episode marks the start of Louis dark character and that he will be easily influenced by Rochefort and Milady , who both will turn him against his wife and his loyal musketeers.


    At court we see Anne acting like any other wife,who is worried about her husband's life and that what would happen to her son if Louis dies. Although I did feel sorry for the Treville in this episode and last episode as in the first Louis turns against him and now in this episode Anne was short with him and refused to listen to his advice as she blamed him and the musketeers for her husband's disappearance.
    I do admit that i am not happy about Louis and Milady and how she is going to be his mistress in this season, i feel that am going to be on Anne side , i know she cheated first but Louis wished her dead and i hope Milady gets caught out for trying to kill the queen.

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  77. Julia10 January 2015 at 22:49

    Yes, quite the hero especially with that stunt!

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  78. Lissie11 January 2015 at 07:28

    Perhaps, but acknowledging Pepin on his own would have been enough. Just some small recognition. As much as I like the amusing pompousness of Louis, I hope the experience of this episode comes back to him later in some way.

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  79. Scoobie11 January 2015 at 14:07

    That moment was perfection.

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  80. Scoobie11 January 2015 at 14:08

    I remember Adrian saying in one of his interviews that they had pretty much given their historical advisor a heart attack this year. There's only so long they can fudge this for though.

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  81. Sandi11 January 2015 at 14:15

    Hi Lissie, welcome to the site! :)


    I think that Louis had quite a bit of character growth in the episode, it's just that it was so negative that it is perhaps a disappointment. As he has been such a popular role the fact that he becoming a bit of a baddie maybe feels like a step backwards for some. He mentioned that the death of his father at an early age meant that he lost a lot in his life that d'Artagnan was fortunate to have had. His biggest regret about the whole situation seemed to be that his own impending death would bring about the same situation for his son, which weighed on him heavily. Seeing things from that angle, it's easy to see why he acted the way he did after escaping, especially when you add in his previous nature of blaming others for any mistakes.


    With how insane Rochefort seems to be, I can't see him lasting for too long unless he has a massive redemption storyline in the pipeline. I too would like to see Mazarin make an appearance next year if we get S3 :)

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  82. Scoobie11 January 2015 at 14:30

    I think on reflection and a review that Sunny and Helen are right and so too is Tigercheetah. What was wrong was the staging of that moment. They obviously didn't have a lot of time to do it but what needed to be conveyed couldn't satisfactorily be portrayed in a look. It demonstrated a lack of continuity, that we saw Constance looking at him with an expression a cross between, "I'm so ridiculously proud of you" and "Wait till I get you in the nearest four poster". As proud of him as she is and as desperately in love, she's got to still be hurting from events and from the "coward" comment. Even a moment in which she perhaps spoke to him in passing would have worked better. Simply welcomed his safe return and that of the King, maybe without making full eye contact and then walking off quickly, leaving D'Artagnan to see her hurt and desperate to apologise to her and clearly missing her. That would have better reflected where their relationship is at this point. I'm still a bit concerned that Tom's comment about economical storytelling in respect of the Cardinal, is true of other aspects of the story. I was very disappointed last week that we were simply left to assume the fate of the De Foix's. I assume the General died and either Lucie told D'Artagnan she wasn't interested with her brother up stairs dying (not exactly a time conducive to romance) or D'Artagnan told her, thanks but there's someone else. I thought both characters deserved a better exit. The lack of clarity also confused several reviewers who now think a new love interest has been established and a series long love triangle can be anticipated. Had I been a casual viewer, I would have thought the same. It felt strangely incomplete really.

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  83. Sandi11 January 2015 at 14:30

    Ha yes, amazing right hook his Maj had there wasn't it, not bad when pushed to his limits ;)
    Great set of gifs, I do love that scarf/stunt moment, what a hero young d'Artagnan is! He certainly chose the right man to run through with a sword in the episode!

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  84. Scoobie11 January 2015 at 14:35

    Yep, he was definitely on course for another early morning, ice bucket challenge for sure.😄

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  85. Page11 January 2015 at 17:10

    I also read where he pretty deliberately said he wanted to get away from history a bit, so there's that.

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  86. Sunny11 January 2015 at 17:17

    I'm worried about this too! I didn't really think of it until the trailer for episode three. I don't mind them having separate arcs, but I don't want something thrown at me mid series after a lack of build up. Series 1 anyone? LOL.
    I also think the scenes written for them are nicely written, very dramatic, and highly emotional (ILY with kissing session, break up, fight in 2.01), but my continued complaint is that between these lovely scenes is a lack of "something."

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  87. deeannjay11 January 2015 at 23:36

    "....she cheated first...".


    But did she? I noticed that she asked if the Musketeers had checked everywhere, including the Paris brothels. That suggested she might have good reason to believe Louis had been less than 100% faithful in the past.

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  88. Sandi12 January 2015 at 01:19

    Good point, Louis seemed quite at home with his arms round a couple of ladies who looked to be dubious in the bar while Porthos was fighting too.


    Though, she is passing off another man's son as the future king of France don't forget. It's a complicated one isn't it, lol.

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  89. Sandi12 January 2015 at 01:22

    I do like Perales. He's the only one that Rochefort is himself around, which instantly makes him interesting anyway, but he comes out with some wonderful lines too. Another of his I liked is “French men powering the Spanish fleet, the irony appeals to me”

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  90. Tigercheetah12 January 2015 at 07:36

    In real life, many Kings openly had mistresses alongside their Queens, it was even expected of them in some countries and time-periods. The Queen was there to produce an heir, the marriage was rarely about love, even Constance's marriage wasn't based on love.

    It won't be pleasant seeing Louis have a mistress but I suppose it will be realistic.

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  91. Helen12 January 2015 at 12:58

    I like Perales too - I love his accent and the little chats that he and Rochefort have. However, I wonder how much longer he will survive before Rochefort decides he's had enough of him! :)

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  92. Scoobie13 January 2015 at 23:25

    What gives it even more perspective is the ITV's banker Broadchurch lost 1.6 million between episode one and two. So a major award-winning series, considered appointment TV, is now bringing in 5.49 million in a prime slot.

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  93. Folie-lex17 January 2015 at 06:58

    I'm usually on the bandwagon that think Louie is an naive, arrogant and ignorant but not necessarily a bad guy. Can't say I feel that way about him anymore... UGH!

    Great episode though!

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  94. Sandi17 January 2015 at 13:36

    I think they have made the definite move of making him a worse person without the Cardinal beside him as a guide. He doesn't really have anyone to keep him in check at all now, so can get away with more outlandish behaviour as no-one has the guts to stand up to him. He's a spoilt idiot who needs a firm hand.

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  95. Folie-lex17 January 2015 at 20:38

    I think that's a pretty accurate assessment. I think that something people tend to not give the cardinal credit for. Yes he's manipulative and power hungry and has different values and goal than the Musketeers, but I do think he always did/does have France's best interest at heart and he did take it upon himself to guide and control Louie. And without him yes, the king would be out of hand.


    (I'm still hoping if the show goes on longer than Peter's stint s Dr.Who then we might get a rouse of the cardinal having faked his death for whatever reason and get him back. Actually I'm hoping they might be able to strike out a deal with Dr.Who's scheduling and have him show up even while both shows are on the air)

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  96. Sandi17 January 2015 at 21:11

    That would be pretty cool, but I have heard Adrian say that once Peter is known as the Doctor is such an iconic role that having him as the Cardinal is a tricky thing. I think if done right it's not a bad idea though. A flashback episode would be a pretty cool idea perhaps.

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  97. Folie-lex17 January 2015 at 21:20

    Eh… he was the cardinal first ;P

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  98. Sandi17 January 2015 at 21:23

    Ha, true. Though to many Who fans, he was Malcolm Tucker first, lol.

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  99. Folie-lex17 January 2015 at 21:24

    Hate to admit it, but I don't know who that is...

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  100. Sandi17 January 2015 at 22:00

    It's the (very foul mouthed) character Capaldi played in The Thick of It, a BBC political comedy.

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  101. Folie-lex17 January 2015 at 22:26

    Ah, yeah I've heard of that show, never actually seen it. Thanks for the info :)

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  102. Sandi18 January 2015 at 17:36

    Consolidated ratings are 4.78m, not quite as good as last week's 4.93m but remember these are without iPlayer stats added yet.

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