Following a lengthy casting process, Melissa Roxburgh has landed the female lead of Violet in the planted Supernatural spinoff, now titled Supernatural: Bloodlines (formerly Tribes). Like her new co-stars Nathaniel Buzolic, Sean Faris and Stephen Martines, who all previously recurred on The Vampire Diaries, Roxburgh too has appeared on hit CW series before. She has done an arc on Arrow and a guest stint on the mothership Supernatural series.
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"Bloodlines" is a much better title than Tribes and I'm so glad they finally changed it.
ReplyDeleteNot that I care for the spin-off but that is a better name at least.
ReplyDeleteIt's still bad.
ReplyDeleteThe Originals isn't called "The Vampire Diaries: The Originals".
ReplyDeleteAt least bloodlines is a better title than tribes I guess.
ReplyDeleteThis name is much better than the previous title,that's for sure.How the show will shape up,that part i'm not so sure!!
ReplyDeletePeople seem to be so negative about this pilot. Its not ma favorite pilot, but it doesnt sound that bad. Its different from Supenatural, but that doesnt mean it will be bad. Cast seem great and shapeshifters is something new for TV, so i will wait to judge.
ReplyDeleteAnd i really like the name, and for those who dont want it to have Supernatural in its name : OF course they want to connect it to Supernatural, its one of their best shows ratings-wise so they want people to know its spin-off.And its completely differet from The Originals, because 4 characters from TVD went to TO but here none of the cast leaves for spin-off so it will be harder for S:B to keep Supernatural fans
The Originals are stablished character. They were on two season of Vampire Diaries.
ReplyDeleteI love SPN, not for its universe but for its characters. And when I say characters I mean the main characters. There were MANY side characters that I loathed beyond belief or just didn't care for. Only a small percentage of characters sticks out positively to me.
ReplyDeleteNow I don't see how this is a spin-off, it's a shared universe. Shouldn't a spin-off usually take a good part from the mothership to focus more on it in the spin-off ? Like...characters ?
Bring in Sheriff Mills as a character....or other SPN favourites to make this show more interesting.
I'm a HUGE SPN fanatic but this spin-off doesen't grab me...a bit.
Nathaniel Buzolic, as much as I love Kol, did far from delliver in PLL (an episode I watched exclusively for him) so I hope they let him use his real australian accent maybe that helps him grow as an actor. He was fun as Kol, let's hope he can repeat that.
Martines was fun as Frederick, probably the first solid villain on TVD. Sean Faris ? Yeah, his character was there, charmed Bonnie and died (in the most badass way ever: burned by Stefan with a flamethrower) but didn't really make me want to see more of him
Roxbiourgh played Cronos' girl in SPNs seventh season, I doubt they'll use that connection but it'd be interesting to have her become an immortal with memory loss (because Cronos cursed her, that'd give them the chance to bring back Jason Dhoring for a guest stint or two).
I'll definitely give the spin-off a try but until they don't totally deliver in the pilot or the show count me as a sceptic.
Now...a Cas/Crowley spin-off...THAT'D be a thing
btw. that 'Supernatural:' in the title feels a bit desperate IMO 'pleeaaasseee we're connected to Supernatural...LOVE US'
I wonder if they'll be changing the title to Episode 20 of this season to Bloodlines as well, since it's suppoised to be a backdoor pilot and right now it's still listed as Tribes.
ReplyDeleteI think they should've given the spinoff to Charlie/Dorothy to be honest.
ReplyDeleteThey can change the name as much as they want, but a bad premise is a bad premise.
ReplyDeleteI feel insulted that TPTB insist on keeping Supernatural in the title.
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From what has been revealed so far this show has no relation with SPN other than for the fact that the backdoor pilot will include Sam and Dean.
It sounds more like a hybrid of all the genre shows that are already on tv, TVD, Grimm, Bitten, True Blood, etc.excluding the very SPN, with which it had the least in common.
A show that tries to be everything ends up being nothing.
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Colour me completely unimpressed.
I would have watched the crap out of a Sheriff Mills spin off. I love her.
ReplyDeleteMeh, Supernatural has been boring for a while now. And I was very very skeptical of The Originals as I didn't care too much for them on TVD after season 3, but now The Originals is my favorite CW show. So I'm willing to give this show a chance, I might like it a lot more than I am liking SPN lately.
ReplyDelete"Ride to Hell" - a Crowley centric spin-off with Crowley and a gang of good demons waging war on Abaddon and a bunch of new hellish monsters
ReplyDelete"Pariah" - Cas trying to make up for his past crimes by helping innocent humans each week. Demons, angels, monsters beware when Cas is on his watch
"Savages" - A gang of young hunters pulls in semi-big hunts like a SWAT team under the lead of Jody Mills.
I would've watched the hell out of these three....but nope. We seem to be getting 'The Supernatural Diaries'
well, while I did anticipate TO (duh, Elijah = fav TV vampire) I agree that I didn't expect it to turn out this good.
ReplyDeleteI'm giving the SPN spin-off the benefit of the doubt but it just seems to be leeching onto the success on SPN without really having much connection to the mothership
He needs a Impala
ReplyDeleteWhen I first read that they were doing a spin-off, I was a little skeptical because a big reason people stick around for the crappy writing is for Sam/Jared and Dean/Jensen. I read a bunch of fan speculations that made me feel tons better about the idea. The one I was most excited for was an origin story for Samuel Colt. That sounds like an awesome idea because you keep the supernatural universe but throw it into a different time period.
ReplyDeleteWhat kills me is that they know what they're doing. Supernatural is the most successful thing they've had in years along with the Vampire Diaries and Arrow so they are just trying to run with it. They know people will watch something because it is correlated with the original show. At least the Arrow and Vampire Diaries spin-offs make sense. I don't usually care enough to actually want something to fail, but this pisses me off so much that I hope it does.
Exactly, this is spot on. They are greedy bastards and they know it.
ReplyDeleteSounds more like a version of The Vampire Diaries...
ReplyDeleteEvery spinoff trades off the original shows fame to some degree.
ReplyDeleteWhere your logic completely falls on it's ass is that there's ALWAYS potential for the show to be as good and have characters just as likable. No Sam, Norm or Cliff on the Cheers spinoff? Here's Niles and Martin. No Buffy, Willow or Xander on the Buffy spinoff? Here's Gunn and Lorne.
If those fans had thought like you and the six people who agreed with you, they might have missed a lot of quality television in a universe they've loved.
my logic doesen't fail in that aspect, Tribes or Bloodlines features NOT A SINGLE SPN original character. Angel had Cordy, Wes, Spike and Angel. And Frasier had well...Frasier.
ReplyDeleteI'm still not on board with this...
ReplyDeleteBut it is a better name.
Agreed, especially with this:
ReplyDeletethis show has no relation with SPN other than for the fact that the backdoor pilot will include Sam and Dean.
They won't even 100% follow the Supernatural mythology since they writers are changing the SUPERNATURAL's mythology/canon to fit this spin off. This pisses me off like whoa and it indeed make me fell insulted.
This comment pretty much sums my issues with this "spin off". Very well said, thank you!
ReplyDeleteI remember a funny comment from Mark Sheppard saying that The CW should make a comedic show called "Oh, Crowley". I would watch it, haha.
ReplyDeleteThe original title sucked. This is a little better. So far they are not stocking this show with A-listers. She hardly did an "arc" on Arrow. I don't remember her at all, but I think she played one of Thea's friends. She may have had one or two lines. NOT an arc. Frankly, I thought she was pretty weak on SPN. I will echo what so many others have said here. Why go with virtual unknowns with little acting experience over known quantities like Kim Rhodes or Mark Sheppard. Either or both of them would have guaranteed an audience. Frankly, I'm betting the first episode has huge ratings because we will all tune in to see how big of a train wreck this will be.
ReplyDeleteWhat? The CW never has had A-listers. Even the guys in Supernatural had previously worked for the network before they were casted.
ReplyDeleteThis comment makes no sense. The Flash is his own character and he's an established character in the DC world. It's the only CW pilot people seem to look forward to.
ReplyDeleteit IS a spin-off tough, sharing a universe with Arrow. It's a part of Arrows version of the DCU expanding, they could've decided to launch Flash without introducing him on Arrow first but they didn't, rendering it a spin-off
ReplyDeleteStill sucks, die already...
ReplyDeleteI don't want to like something new...
See, there was something I was hoping for early season 5... A spin-off with new characters that could carry the torch in a post-Winchester landscape. Instead, we've had middling helpings of post-Kripke SPN for 4 years since. Now, we have a ridiculous, mythos-tearing season 9, (9 years later and these two chuckleheads are still bitching at each other for the same problems whoaaaaaaa I can't take it anymore) and then just for kicks let's throw a Romeo And Juliet-meets-CW- fantasy melodrama and call it a SPN spinoff?
ReplyDeleteGeez.
But yes, Supernatural: Bloodlines > Supernatural: Tribes.
Tribes was a heinous name. Bloodlines sounds relatively less ridiculous.
Yeah, Crowley's great.
ReplyDeleteHe had good chemistry with Jody Mills too. They could have made a spin-off about 'The Sheriff and the King of Hell, They could even have married them off.
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Jody-"How was Hell today, honey?"
Crowley. "Just the usual sweetie,though we're sure staring to get crowded now; there's been a rush of crossroads deals. Everybody wants to be skinny, rich and famous."
Jody- "Aw, Who needs a hug. C'mere."
LOL :)
That's what annoys me too.
ReplyDeleteYou want to go with new characters, fine, but at least be faithful to the original mythology, which as you point out, the writers are changing in SPN to make this new Bloodlines world believable, and that is disrespectful to the longest running successful show on the CW.
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Of course in the world of the networks, all that matters is ratings and money, so if Bloodlines brings that in, that's all TPTB are concerned with, and rightly so from their POV.
Well said, my feelings exactly.
ReplyDeleteIt's simple leeching of the SPN name to attract viewers, which Bloodlines will probably do for the episode/pilot, getting high ratings; but after that the show will have to stand or fall on its own two feet.
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However, it was always going to be difficult to come up with a spin-off for Supernatural. Sam and Dean and their chemistry is nigh impossible to clone and SPN is a very personal story built around the brothers.
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What I would have liked would have been some sort of future verse in which monstera are ever more aggressive and young people are practically being recruited by older hunters to help eliminate them, though humans still don't believe in monsters.
There could be a friendship between two or more of these young recruits and the monster fighting coud go on, sort of like a milder version of 'The End'' episode.
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Just about anything would sound better than Bloodlines, IMO.
Too many people judge a book by its' cover. Excited to see the backdoor pilot, always have room to add another great show to my must watch list! I also quite like the name change.
ReplyDeleteI wish they would just drop the Supernatural part of the title.
ReplyDeleteI just said the same thing, then reading comments and ran across yours. I would be fine using SPN in the title if they were using any characters that I liked from the series. At least Bloodlines is better than Tribes for me.
ReplyDeleteThis is such a loose connection I don't see the point..Grimm, Haven anyone.
ReplyDeleteI agree. This Bloodlines is a whole NEW series with NEW characters and I don't see why they need to use SPN in the title. When I heard spin off I was hoping for Cas, Benny, Golem and his Rabbi, heck just anyone that we had grown to like.
ReplyDeleteFor me it is not the A-listers in a show, but the fact they are using SUPERNATURAL in the title, if the series is going to be any good then let it stand on its own and not try and ride the coattails of SPN. Like someone already said they did not use ARROW:The Flash or The Vampire Diaries:The Originals.
ReplyDeleteFlash is an established character LOL. He is more known than Green Arrow.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure Cas can sustain 23 episodes on his own. And even if he could this move would damage the main series. Like it or not Cas is a part of the series. This plan Carver has involves Cas.
ReplyDeleteThere are different kinds of spin-offs. Making a spin-off that damages the main series is not a great plan, priving the series of Cas or Crowley would be stupid.
ReplyDeleteAnd your critic about the actors is pointless, their parts were null in those series. SPN casting has been almost always good, I could make an argument about a few of the female characters but I think the problem is mostly the writing.
Kripke did retcons too.
ReplyDeleteIn every CBS spin-off ever they introduce the characters in one episode of the main series and then they go to the spin-off. The same with Bones and The Finder, etc. I'm sure there are many more examples.
ReplyDeleteLosing Crowley and Cas = stupid.
ReplyDeleteAll lead hunters? Yeah, 9 seasons of that. Been there, done that.
The Originals were in two seasons of Vampire Diaries. Not the same.
ReplyDeleteMichael J. Fox didn't guarantee an audience to NBC you're way to naivee if you think people are gonna watch because of an actor. The Following is doing bad too.
ReplyDeleteAgreed, he has adjusted the established mythology on monsters to fit in with his ideas for this spin-off , were-wolfs who don't need to change with the full moon, newly turned ones like Garth who are all sweet and cozy, unlike poor Madison., etc, etc.
ReplyDeleteNo one would know is a spin-off. Only the people who follow all news.
ReplyDeleteThey didn't have to change the original shows mythology to make the spin off unlike what they're doing to Supernatural, though. And well... look how well in ratings The Finder turned out to be...
ReplyDeleteLOL! I so would watch it! ♥
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure Carver even has a plan, does bad writing count as a plan. ;)
ReplyDeleteI don't think the point is Flash being established, but the fact of NOT using the Arrow title. Yes most fans of this kind of character knows Flash has been around for years, the complaint is using SPN in the title of the spinoff that really does not have a connection to the series, other than monsters and there are MANY series out there like that.
ReplyDeleteWell, 66% of new series get cancelled.
ReplyDeleteThe monsters are going to be the same featured in Supernatural, so that's not a mythology change. But you are talking about monsters being in clans, we've seen that. These are only more organized. In SPN they have never said monsters can't be organized, so nop...that's not a retcon just yet. We will have to wait and see how these monsters have remained unseen for this much time. And it has been established that hunters do not know everything there is to know about the supernatural world, they didn't know about angels till S4, the men of letters till S8, etc.
Kripke did not trash the main characters as Carver has done.
ReplyDeleteYes, we had retcons in recent episodes of the show to make room for this spin off.
ReplyDeleteYawn @ comments. I just hope when the show begins, everybody who 'isn't going to watch it' doesn't feel the need to come into every article related to the show just to tell everyone that they're 'still not going to watch it'. The constant negativity isn't cute.
ReplyDeleteWas the title of The Finder, Bones:The Finder? NO and that is the complaint most fans are having with this Supernatural: Bloodlines.
ReplyDeleteHa! Good point!
ReplyDelete?? what is your point? No one mentioned how long the originals had been on the show, the point was they did NOT USE TVD in the title.
ReplyDeleteYou are correct, the show will have to stand on its own, but it would have been nice to have some characters we knew from the series, if they are going to use Supernatural in the title. I DID watch MJF show because he was in it, but the show sucked, so stopped.
ReplyDeleteWhich tells me they think the series will not be good and they have to TRY and piggyback on the SPN series.
ReplyDeleteIn all fairness, Supernatural has been changing its canon wily nily itself.
ReplyDeleteas hard as it is...I partially agree.
ReplyDeleteCas and Crowley being gone would probably hurt Supernatural at this point.
I can't agree that Cas and Crowley couldn't carry their own shows tough as you stated above.
Were they ? Last I remember both Kol and Frederick made it to at least 6 episodes. Definitely not as big as the main vampires (how many do/did we have on that show again: Damon, Stefan, Elena, Katherine, Caroline, Alaric, Klaus, Elijah, Rebekah, Jenna) but still they were sorta popular.
The problem with female characters on SPN was mostly that they were backdrop, there were some great ones as well tough. Jo, Ellen, Leonore etc
Can't argue with that. I know it happened before, but it got way worse since Carver took over.
ReplyDeleteStill, it doesn't make me inclined to watch this spin off.
Perhaps The Finder would have done better if they had.
ReplyDeleteThe point is that The Originals did not NEED to have Vampire Diaries in the title for people who watch TVD casusally to know who they are. This one does. It's marketing pure and simple. Quite frankly it is a very smart move on the CW's part.
ReplyDeleteI hope you're wrong about the actors though you could be right.
ReplyDeleteI don't think anyone has ever wanted to make a bad series. I'm sure if they find some things are bad they'll try to correct them. That's the process of every series like...ever.
ReplyDeleteThe point is that they were established characters. You could ask every TVD fan who The Originals are and they'd know. There was no need to have The Vampire Diaries: "something" as the title.
ReplyDeleteI was talking about others kind of spin-off. And Dahne is right in what she said.
ReplyDeletelike what?
ReplyDeleteBetter name, same concept. I do not agree with everyone upset about them using Supernatural in the name. It is a brilliant marketing ploy that is designed to get more eyeballs watching the pilot. There is nothing wrong with that, especially since it is the network's job to do everything it can to promote a new show. The series itself will make it or die by its first few episodes and it won't "taint" Superntural's reputation either way. SPN has been on air for far too long for that to happen. Mark Pedowitz has started a reversal in ratings trend for the CW and this gives the show maximum exposure without having to blow the entire advertising budget on one show. It's smart, it's free publicity, and it gives the pilot a fighting chance in a TV overpopulated with the supernatural. I will give it my typical 3 episodes that I give all CW shows and then make up my mind from there. It is a studio's obligation to help new shows become hits. This smacks of overreaction by SPN fans per the usual.
ReplyDeleteI do however share the same issues with the subject matter. I hate canon-breaking but let's be honest. That ship has sailed long ago and got blown up in season 8. It's been "canon be damned" for over a year now. At least there is still hope that the new show will create its own canon and then stick with it. Choosing o populate the show without any characters from Supernatural is more of a problem. I too would have loved a Sheriff Mills or Crowley spin-off, but that is not anywhere near the demo they are shooting for. If we had to have spin-off characters in that demo, we would be looking at the Krissy show. Since she was met with divisive fan reaction, it pretty much cut her out. Their only other choice would have been to tie with someone who was so far back in the mythology of the show that most casual fans wouldn't remember them. Thus tying them to a complicated backstory they would have to get new viewers caught up with in advance. It makes sense that they are using fresh characters if the plan is to pull in a specific demo, and it is. The synopsis of this new show is too young skewing for me so there is a good chance that I will watch 3 episodes and then let it fade into the background. But I am definitely giving it a chance. I think that is all the CW is asking from any SPN fan. TV is a business. They have to make the choices that best fit that business.
They did that in S8, way before the spin-off was announced. And it was mostly because the S2 werewolves didn't work, not even Sera like the end result. It was a budget thing too, like when they changed the aspect of the Djinn.
ReplyDeletewe'll see about Buzolic, let's hope he delivers and was just bored on Pretty Little Liars.
ReplyDeleteMartines is good, got high hopes from him.
Faris is a mediocore actor, pretty much on par with most of Arrows cast.
I haven't seen Lucien Laviscount in anything, so we'll see about him.
At the very least Bloodlines has no huge actors to brag with
Yeah, I already said in my previous comment that it got worse d]since Carver took over and it's annoying me ever since.
ReplyDeleteAbout your other reply to me, someone already pointed some of them out in the comments of this article. :)
I think good writing can make up for the actors not being so good.
ReplyDeleteThe one I'm worried is Lucien, Faris comes second. The others I think will do just fine. The girls I'm more worried about the writing than the acting, if the characters turn out to be more like Kate the more I'll like this series.
The Flash is already well established, CW is more connecting it to Arrow's fan base.
ReplyDeleteI liked Finder much better than Bones, have stopped watching that several years ago.
ReplyDeleteWith all TVD actors in Bloodlines, it should have been called TVD:Bloodlines, after all they also have monsters in that show.
ReplyDeleteThis is a touchy subject, as If SN:Bloodlines drops the SN tag some casual fans will call it a SN rip off rather than spinoff.
ReplyDeleteIMO i think most SN fans have adapted to all the SN characters (myself included), so anyone new characters have to earn the SN tag rather than be given it, if it bombs it wouldn't do SN any justice.
I see that the CW want to start SN:B fresh and I will give it a shot, but lets be honest it has very big footsteps to follow in.
I think we are talking apples and oranges here, don't have a problem with having the pilot showing up in SPN, like Arrow did with Flash and I intend to watch the series for a few eps to see if I like it, just wish they thought enough about it to stand on its own without using SPN in the title. The NCIS & CSI shows are all alike except for location, don't see how Bloodlines can be anything like SPN unless it is about family. Maybe that is why Carver is screwing up Sam and Dean to not have the show about what most fans fell in love with.FAMILY that fights monsters but ALWAYS has each others back.
ReplyDeleteI was going to post that exact point, also The Flash would not need arrow to jump start the series as SPN:B does.
ReplyDeleteSince you have stopped watching SPN, but are going to give the new show a chance, I don't think the title is what is drawing you in.
ReplyDeleteI had high hopes for Secret Circle, but they had way to many characters and I just never found a connection to any of them. Am hoping Bloodlines does not go that route. Less is better as the writers have time to flesh the characters out. Maybe that is why I loved from the pilot, SPN, Roswell & Veronica Mars.
ReplyDeleteFrom what I have read on TVRage bloodlines is using the SPN monster lore.
ReplyDeleteIn that case then maybe Supernatural should have been called Smallville: Supernatural.
ReplyDeleteSo did I, but I think The Finder could have earned more episodes had the connection to Bones been more explicit.
ReplyDeleteActually it is because of my former love of Supernatural and my respect for what Mark Pedowitz did for the show, that I give every CW show a try. Because it is SPN means that I will give it a little more leeway than the others. So yes, Supernatural has everything to do with my hopes for this show.
ReplyDeleteWho besides Jensen was in Smallville when SPN started? There is 3 or 4 TVD actors in bloodlines.
ReplyDeleteOK, I am just the opposite, it will have to be EXCELLENT for me to keep watching just because it is using the SPN brand.
ReplyDeleteI suppose we will have to wait and see if Bloodlines keeps the overall monster lore of SPN, but that is a moot point now as the Spn writers have long ago stopped following any kind of canon.
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It's just the entire premise of the spin-off that sounds wrong for it to be accosted to SPN. Stable monster mafia families at war with each other for the supremicy of Chicago. Throw in Romeo and Juliet and it seems a spin-off of any show except SPN.
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However as has been said by others, placing Supernatural in the title is a strategy TPTB are using to pull in long-time SPN fans.
Only time will tell if the show clicks with the viewers or not.
Agreed. If it's going to be classed as a spin-off of SPN then it has to be a hundred times better than a Krissy or a Man's Best Friend With Benefits or a Bitten wannabee.
ReplyDeleteAgree. And if by chance SPN:Bloodlines gets an S2 The CW may consider dropping the SPN part of the title.
ReplyDeleteI guarantee the fans will start doing that be the 5th episode. In all likelihood, this show will be known as Bloodlines in all social media and general referencing.
ReplyDeleteLuckily for me that wasn't my point AT ALL. My point was if you don't have good actors people won't watch a second episode. Even good actors as you point out, don't guarantee an audience.
ReplyDeleteThat was sarcasm.
ReplyDeletethey should just call it Bloodlines without Supernatural in the title...
ReplyDeleteAgree,again. And while many 'online SPN fans' are looking shifty-eyed at the spinoff for more canon 'combusting' - I know I am - 'Bloodlines' could actually attract more TVD viewers than the 'mothership' as well as non TVD/SPN viewing genre fans.(SyFy's US Being Human, which ends this year, SyFy Bitten, Grimm, True Blood, etc - those viewers who would not ordinarily watch a CW offering).
ReplyDeleteIts a lot easier attracting brand new fans if they don't have to climb the mountain of 9 seasons of SPN, or 5 seasons of TVD for that matter as TVD does contain werewolves, hybrids and witches like rehabber says. 'Canon busting' won't matter to new fans.
I think he trashed Sam very badly. He just left not too long after so he doesn't get as much of the blame.
ReplyDeleteI get that. Can't blame you. If they wanted to expand the SPN verse this way, it would have been best introduced as a smaller B plot storyline rather just making the decision to do it and just make a random backdoor pilot, but I've always felt it would be cool to see other happenings in this world without Sam and Dean so I'm intrigued to see what they have.
ReplyDeleteI also don't know of any other spin-offs that include no characters, or major storylines, whatsoever from the original show.
ReplyDeleteCSI New York
CSI Miami
NCIS (spinoff of JAG)
NCIS Los Angeles
I don't really see how the spinoff will make a mark on the original show. Do people who loved Cheers hate it because of Tortelli's? Or Happy Days fans with Joanie Loves Chachi or Blanskey's Beauties?
I wish they were using SPN characters too, but this isn't anything new.
SPN has been rewriting it's own canon since season 4 or 5, and in ways that bothered me far more than this.
ReplyDeleteThe NCIS and CSI shows had surprisingly different tones, even if they aren't my cup of tea.
ReplyDeleteCarver barely has anything to do with this spinoff. It's Andrew Dabb.
I haven't seen the brothers you describe in many years, frankly, so I don't put that on Carver.
I agree with you, but I have a feeling they are mostly going for a young demo and assume no one wants to see older actors.
ReplyDeleteThe series itself will make it or die by its first few episodes and it won't "taint" Superntural's reputation either way.
ReplyDeleteI agree. Just look at the Criminal Minds (which is also in season 9) spinoff a few years ago. This was a huge flop which many viewers seemed to actively despise. Yet it did not have any big impact on Criminal Minds itself.
I also agree that the show doesn't sound that good.
I completely agree. I see their point on the one hand - that is what the network demo is supposed to be, but on the other hand, SPN is their most consistent performer (highest ratings on the network for them currently!) and it's demo skews older. If they really want to build on the success of SPN, they're going about it the wrong way - imho...
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bloodlines is better than tribes
I'm pretty sure most of us SPNers are going to give it a chance. But if they insist on calling it a spinoff, it should be at least half as good as the original series, don't you think? None of us would be complaining if it wasn't a spinoff.
ReplyDeleteI think most of us WANT to like it.
ReplyDeleteBut the CSI spinoffs had pretty much the same concept as the original series, didn't they? By that logic we should be getting a spinoff with two female hunters traveling in Europe, or something.
ReplyDeleteThe concept was the same, but no characters or major stories were spun off, which was Tessa Marlene's criteria.
ReplyDeleteI'm not thrilled with this genre of spinoff, but it's been around for a while now. It's not new and it generally doesn't "leave a mark" on the main show.
Same here. At the end of season six, I was just kind of done. Haven't missed it.
ReplyDeleteThe title Queen of Crowley just popped into my head.
ReplyDeleteMaybe they think it's okay since True Blood is done after this year.
ReplyDeleteTo be fair they didn't have the Djinn right in the first episode to feature them. But I put it aside long enough to enjoy the points being made by the episode, though. Then I was like, "Whew, lovely. Hope they never have Djinn on again, cause that was all kinds of wrong." Yeah.
ReplyDeleteDamn right he did. He was doing it in season four. Big time.
ReplyDeleteI hate it when shows waste an episode on a backdoor pilot. Esp. if it's for a series I'm not gonna watch. I FF'd through most of the Finder backdoor pilot episode of Bones. Just watched the parts with the Bones characters and skipped the rest. Not relevant to my interests.
ReplyDeleteIt's almost definitely the writing on the female characters. But then they'll hit it right with a few as well as the right actress. I was a big fan of Meg pre-season five. After that, ugh. And that's on Kripke, too, he started that. Mills is great. I loved Pam, too. Season three Ruby was fun. More often than not, though, they miss. In case no one knew, I think Charlie's awful.
ReplyDeleteWith you. Charlie's presence instantly turns me off of anything. I skipped that Oz episode mostly because she's in it. And because I didn't want to see what they did to The Wizard of Oz, either.
ReplyDeleteJo was my favorite female, then Ellen. Liked Ruby(both of them) and wish they had more Mills. Would be very happy to NEVER see Charlie or Krissy again. It took me a while to warm to later Meg, but ended up really liking the way she portrayed the character and I miss her.
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