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Thursday 2/06/14 Metered Markets
Winter Olympics-Ignited NBC Dominates; Jay Leno Exits “Tonight” With a Four-Year High
Note: The Philadelphia market is excluded from the following averages.
Household
Rating/Share
NBC 11.8/18
CBS 6.6/10
Fox 5.2/ 8
ABC 2.4/ 4
CW 1.5/ 2
-Percent Change from Year-Ago Evening – Thursday 2/07/13:
NBC: +436, CW: – 6, Fox: -16, CBS: -27, ABC: -56
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-Winners:
XXII Winter Olympics (NBC), “The Big Bang Theory” (CBS), “American Idol” (Fox)
-Losers (excluding repeats):
“The Taste” (ABC), “Rake” (Fox)
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-Ratings Breakdown:
Given that the Opening Ceremony is airing this evening, it was odd to see NBC populate Thursday with coverage of figure skating, snowboarding and freestyle skiing from the XXII Winter Olympics in Sochi, Russia. But the network did reign supreme (on a night it has no traction on) with an 11.8 rating/18 share in primetime, peaking in the 9 p.m. half-hour with a 12.9/19 and beating No. 2 CBS by 79 percent. What follows is the half-hour breakdown:
8:00 p.m.: 11.5/18
8:30 p.m.: 12.1/18
9:00 p.m.: 12.9/19
9:30 p.m.: 12.3/19
10:00 p.m.: 11.8/19
10:30 p.m.: 9.9/17
Immediately following the local news was the departure of Jay Leno as host of NBC’s “The Tonight Show,” which averaged a stellar 9.2/22 in the overnights from 11:30 p.m. – 12:30 a.m. (boosting lead-out “Late Night with Jimmy Fallon” to a record 4.6/15 from 12:30-1:30 a.m.). Comparably, this was “Tonight’s” best overnight rating since March 2009, with a 229 percent advantage over the season to-date average prior to this week (2.8/ 7).
Despite facing The Winter Olympics, CBS dropped by only seven percent in the overnights from one week earlier. Mega-hit “The Big Bang Theory” finished second behind The Olympics with a still solid 11.0/17 at 8 p.m. And, yes…Sheldon (Jim Parsons) and Amy (Mayim Bialik) have finally gotten to first base! Next was “The Millers” at a third-place 6.3/ 9 at 8:30 p.m., which was 43 percent below “The Big Bang Theory.” The remainder of the Eye net line-up — “The Crazy Ones” (#2: 4.8/ 7), “Two and a Half Men” (#2: 5.4/ 8) and “Elementary” (#2: 6.10) from 9-11 p.m. – also only lost minor steam week-to-week. And the growth of 12 percent for “Two and a Half Men” out of “The Crazy Ones” (rare for a 9:30 p.m. sitcom) is all the more reason to believe CBS will be asking Warner Bros. for a 12th season renewal.
Over at Fox, “American Idol” was right on par from last week despite facing The Olympics, with a 7.4/11 in the overnights from 8-9 p.m. (which was just 11 percent below the 8.4/13 one year earlier). But recent entry “Rake” slipped to a series-low 3.0/ 5 at 9 p.m., which was 62 percent below the 8:30 p.m. portion of “American Idol” (7.8/12). Three-week overnight track for “Rake”: 4.5/ 7 – 3.6/ 6 – 3.0/ 5.
Elsewhere, cooking competition “The Taste” on ABC slipped to a series-low 2.5/ 4 (#4) from 8-10 p.m., which led into a 2.3/ 4 (#3) for an encore of “Shark Tank” at 10 p.m. And The CW was equal to one week earlier with its pairing of dramas “The Vampire Diaries” (#5: 1.7/ 3) and “Reign” (#5: 1.3/ 2), which probably has a better chance of a second season renewal than also on-the-fence “The Tomorrow People.”
Source: Nielsen Media Research
Winter Olympics-Ignited NBC Dominates; Jay Leno Exits “Tonight” With a Four-Year High
Note: The Philadelphia market is excluded from the following averages.
Household
Rating/Share
NBC 11.8/18
CBS 6.6/10
Fox 5.2/ 8
ABC 2.4/ 4
CW 1.5/ 2
-Percent Change from Year-Ago Evening – Thursday 2/07/13:
NBC: +436, CW: – 6, Fox: -16, CBS: -27, ABC: -56
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-Winners:
XXII Winter Olympics (NBC), “The Big Bang Theory” (CBS), “American Idol” (Fox)
-Losers (excluding repeats):
“The Taste” (ABC), “Rake” (Fox)
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-Ratings Breakdown:
Given that the Opening Ceremony is airing this evening, it was odd to see NBC populate Thursday with coverage of figure skating, snowboarding and freestyle skiing from the XXII Winter Olympics in Sochi, Russia. But the network did reign supreme (on a night it has no traction on) with an 11.8 rating/18 share in primetime, peaking in the 9 p.m. half-hour with a 12.9/19 and beating No. 2 CBS by 79 percent. What follows is the half-hour breakdown:
8:00 p.m.: 11.5/18
8:30 p.m.: 12.1/18
9:00 p.m.: 12.9/19
9:30 p.m.: 12.3/19
10:00 p.m.: 11.8/19
10:30 p.m.: 9.9/17
Immediately following the local news was the departure of Jay Leno as host of NBC’s “The Tonight Show,” which averaged a stellar 9.2/22 in the overnights from 11:30 p.m. – 12:30 a.m. (boosting lead-out “Late Night with Jimmy Fallon” to a record 4.6/15 from 12:30-1:30 a.m.). Comparably, this was “Tonight’s” best overnight rating since March 2009, with a 229 percent advantage over the season to-date average prior to this week (2.8/ 7).
Despite facing The Winter Olympics, CBS dropped by only seven percent in the overnights from one week earlier. Mega-hit “The Big Bang Theory” finished second behind The Olympics with a still solid 11.0/17 at 8 p.m. And, yes…Sheldon (Jim Parsons) and Amy (Mayim Bialik) have finally gotten to first base! Next was “The Millers” at a third-place 6.3/ 9 at 8:30 p.m., which was 43 percent below “The Big Bang Theory.” The remainder of the Eye net line-up — “The Crazy Ones” (#2: 4.8/ 7), “Two and a Half Men” (#2: 5.4/ 8) and “Elementary” (#2: 6.10) from 9-11 p.m. – also only lost minor steam week-to-week. And the growth of 12 percent for “Two and a Half Men” out of “The Crazy Ones” (rare for a 9:30 p.m. sitcom) is all the more reason to believe CBS will be asking Warner Bros. for a 12th season renewal.
Over at Fox, “American Idol” was right on par from last week despite facing The Olympics, with a 7.4/11 in the overnights from 8-9 p.m. (which was just 11 percent below the 8.4/13 one year earlier). But recent entry “Rake” slipped to a series-low 3.0/ 5 at 9 p.m., which was 62 percent below the 8:30 p.m. portion of “American Idol” (7.8/12). Three-week overnight track for “Rake”: 4.5/ 7 – 3.6/ 6 – 3.0/ 5.
Elsewhere, cooking competition “The Taste” on ABC slipped to a series-low 2.5/ 4 (#4) from 8-10 p.m., which led into a 2.3/ 4 (#3) for an encore of “Shark Tank” at 10 p.m. And The CW was equal to one week earlier with its pairing of dramas “The Vampire Diaries” (#5: 1.7/ 3) and “Reign” (#5: 1.3/ 2), which probably has a better chance of a second season renewal than also on-the-fence “The Tomorrow People.”
Source: Nielsen Media Research
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Impressive that CBS didn't drop much. I hope that resonates in the ratings.
ReplyDeleteI wanted The Crazy Ones to be up :/ But I am getting used to the idea that it will be over at the end of the season, unfortunately.
ReplyDeleteI really hope they somehow renew it. This has been TAAHM's lowest rated season and it's way to expensive to produce, so they could axe it.
ReplyDeleteI see TAAHM being axed before The Crazy Ones, unless The Crazy Ones starts doing terrible on the demo, but I don't think it will be the case (yesterday it faced The Olympics, it won't have to face it again)
ReplyDeleteI have the crazy idea that they should leave Thursday intact one more year and see if NFL can weaken ABC's lineup to a degree that all these shows will see a lift in November.
ReplyDeleteI didn't think The Crazy Ones was doing that badly, I thought they would more than likely get a second season.
ReplyDeleteCBS is in possition to renew all of its comedies, but one more could be cancelled. Among those, The Crazy Ones and Two and a Half Men are candidates to be axed
ReplyDeleteI hope Reign did at least 0.6
ReplyDeleteWhy way better? It's CW, where one tenth separated a show renewal from its cancelation.
ReplyDeleteIsn't Reign shot in Canada anyway? Plus I read somewhere that reign is also be co produced by a European production company so I don't think budget is a concern
ReplyDeleteTTP definitely does not look cheap,all those special effects it uses.I agree,Reign should be doing alot better than .6.It actually should hover .8-1.0 and TTP should be actually being doing the same or better since it is supposed to be very compatible with Arrow
ReplyDeletepeople just need something to complain about *eye rolls*
ReplyDeleteYep, I read your comment after writing the one you responded to.
ReplyDeleteWell I'm not sure whether Reign costs a lot or not, I don't think the CW has ever said nothing about the location of the filming of Reign.
Nice to see that TBBT still did really well. Such a good episode. Shamy forever! :)
ReplyDeleteAmerican Idol clinging for those 3's for dear life!
ReplyDeleteYep, Reign's shot in Ontario (altough the pilot was shot in Ireland) while TTP is shot in Vancouver.
ReplyDeleteBUT as I said: period pieces often require a higher budget for sets (regardeless of it's being shot, building huge and pompeous sets is by far one of the most expensive types of set building) and wardrobe.
TTP is generally designed as a cheaper show, at least I don't see where the leftover budget (that they would have if Reign and TTP had the same ammount) would flow into. VFX aren't as expensive as people make it out to be, It's working around the lack of practical effects
Sadly I can't find any lists regarding the budget for both shows so of course I could be wrong.
But theCW squashed a lot of money into the promotional campaign for Reign so I do think that there's more money and more risk attatched to Reign.
Reign did a 0.6! :)
ReplyDeleteHere are the 1/2 hr breakdowns
ReplyDelete8:00 p.m.
ABC – The Taste
Viewers: 3.42 million (#4), A18-49: 1.0/ 3 (#4t)
CBS – The Big Bang Theory
Viewers: 17.20 million (#2), A18-49: 5.0/15 (#2)
NBC – XXII Winter Olympics
Viewers: 18.19 million (#1), A18-49: 5.3/16 (#1)
Fox – American Idol
Viewers: 10.32 million (#3), A18-49: 2.8/ 8 (#3)
CW – The Vampire Diaries
Viewers: 2.22 million (#5), A18-49: 1.0/ 3 (#4t)
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8:30 p.m.
ABC – The Taste
Viewers: 2.92 million (#4), A18-49: 0.9/ 3 (#4t)
CBS – The Millers
Viewers: 10.93 million (#3), A18-49: 2.7/ 8 (#3)
NBC – XXII Winter Olympics
Viewers: 19.78 million (#1), A18-49: 5.9/17 (#1)
Fox – American Idol
Viewers: 11.57 million (#3), A18-49: 3.2/ 9 (#2)
CW – The Vampire Diaries
Viewers: 2.04 million (#5), A18-49: 0.9/ 2 (#4t)
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9:00 p.m.
ABC – The Taste
Viewers: 3.06 million (#4), A18-49: 0.9/ 3 (#4)
CBS – The Crazy Ones
Viewers: 7.55 million (#2), A18-49: 1.7/ 5 (#2)
NBC – XXII Winter Olympics
Viewers: 21.70 million (#1), A18-49: 6.3/17 (#1)
Fox – Rake
Viewers: 4.86 million (#3), A18-49: 1.3/ 3 (#3)
CW – Reign
Viewers: 1.70 million (#5), A18-49: 0.6/ 2 (#5)
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9:30 p.m.
ABC – The Taste
Viewers: 3.27 million (#4), A18-49: 1.0/ 3 (#3t)
CBS – Two and a Half Men
Viewers: 8.13 million (#2), A18-49: 1.8/ 5 (#2)
NBC – XXII Winter Olympics
Viewers: 21.15 million (#1), A18-49: 6.2/16 (#1)
Fox – Rake
Viewers: 3.82 million (#3), A18-49: 1.0/ 3 (#3t)
CW – Reign
Viewers: 1.63 million (#5), A18-49: 0.6/ 2 (#5)
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10:00 p.m.
ABC – Shark Tank (R)
Viewers: 3.16 million (#3), A18-49: 0.9/ 2 (#3)
CBS – Elementary
Viewers: 9.49 million (#2), A18-49: 1.9/ 5 (#2)
NBC – XXII Winter Olympics
Viewers: 20.03 million (#1), A18-49: 6.1/16 (#1)
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10:30 p.m.
ABC – Shark Tank (R)
Viewers: 3.49 million (#3), A18-49: 0.9/ 2 (#3)
CBS – Elementary
Viewers: 9.16 million (#2), A18-49: 1.7/ 5 (#2)
NBC – XXII Winter Olympics
Viewers: 16.48 million (#1), A18-49: 5.1/15 (#1)
TTP is exspensive too with the special effects of the powers, just like Secret Circle a couople years ago.TTP has already gone from 0.9 to 0.5. behind a good and far more compatible leadin.TTP is being moved to Mon for underperforming after Arrow as much to give The 100 a good leadin.TTP ,I don't see it doing well on Mon.Yes Reign is exspensive but it's shot in Toronto and coproduced by a Candian company.Yes budget is a factor, but without us knowing for sure how exspensive each show is since the show budget isn't released to the public ,we can only guess.Ive also heard The 100 is exspensive.Rign is doing a little better than BatB did in the slot(while TTP is doing far worse than SPN in the slot), so cw will consider that as well as Reign has better 18-34 demo numbers than TTP,Reigndoes better than TTP in social media,DVr,online viewing all of which Czw will consider.
ReplyDeleteIf Reign does get renewed, wont the CW just dump it on Fridays?
ReplyDeleteABC's Thursday appeal mainly to women. Considering they already have to face TNF, even if it's on cable and is pulling smaller numbers, they're doing well. I don't think it will affect Scandal and Grey that much.
ReplyDeleteGreat for TBBT and Elementary. Series low for TCO, but that was expected against Olympics.
ReplyDeleteActually relieved at Elementary.
ReplyDeleteTBBT scored a 5.0 against a 5.3 from the Olympics.
ReplyDeleteThe beast that TBBT is.
They'd better not put it in the death slot -_-
ReplyDeleteI'd like to see Reign and The Tomorrow People improving their ratings, but it's hard at this point. Anyway, I hope Reign mantains the rating of 0.6 on final results.
ReplyDeleteIMO, it's been at tossup range ever since November and I think it has moved to likely cancellation this week.
ReplyDeleteHope not, but unless it starts pulling steady 7s or 8s, Fridays may be where its headed:(
ReplyDeleteI don't think crazy ones is getting renewed , great numbers for tbbt and even idol
ReplyDeleteI have my doubts that Two and a Half Men is as expensive to CBS as some people claim. I am pretty sure Warner Brothers eats up a large portion of those salaries by lowering the licensee fee (and later benefiting from syndication revenues). I think Two and a Half Men is a true toss-up, there will be no way to tell until season's end most likely (well, this 1.8 is certainly a step towards cancellation though). The Crazy Ones I regard now as likely cancellation and I kind of think Mom is inching up towards renewal but I want to see some Spring ratings facing the voice before saying so. I am believing more and more that CBS will simply premiere a drama in the Thursday 9pm hour in November and let it run almost straight through May with no repeats. What will happen to The Millers is anyone's guess, I wouldn't be too shocked to see it staying put to be honest.
ReplyDeleteIt films in Canda and is coproduced with a Canian company.Reign is staying more stable in ratings and except last week,has been doing better numbers than TTP since late OCt.Plus,Reign makes money doing really well online.
ReplyDeleteVFX are not making a show more expensive for gods sake.
ReplyDeleteWe're not talking theatrical effects, we're talking simple particle effects that can be done in minutes by a competent VFX artist.
This show isn't modeling, animating and integrating 3D models into the show. It's merely a disolve effect and various 'powers' wich are basically nothing more than tracked disstortions done in AE.
Effects like on Grimm, Game of Thrones etc. are the really expensive effects.
The only show on theCW that is seriously pumping money into VFX is Supernatural.
TTP doesen't have anything similar going for it
Also: the reason you have visual effects in the first place is to extend your image or to add to it because you don't have the budget to create a real life model.
I can alraedy tell you that Reign uses a sh*tload of VFX itself to create a full image. You might not see it but ballroom scenes etc. are filled with effects covering up boom mics, strings etc.
Social media is a reasonable argument, it has a buzz going for it. And I agree they'll take that into consideration
BUT in the end a 0.1 isn't doing it any favours.
I think there is a reasonable chance both are cancelled. I could see as much as 4 CBS comedies cancelled next year. If they premiere a drama at 9pm Thursday in November, they could renew Big Bang, 2 Broke Girls, Mike and Molly + 1 new comedy from the bubble group (Two and a Half Men, The Crazy Ones, The Millers, Mom, Friends with Better Lives) + 2 new comedies (How I Met Your Father+1 other), which would result in the cancellation of 4 comedies from the aforementioned bubble group. I am not saying this will happen, I am just saying that if they really like a drama pilot that they have, they could easily go for this. If they really want to keep another comedy they can also do it and hold Mike and Molly, which, at the moment ,I think is the most likely scenario with The Millers being renewed.
ReplyDeleteI think the 1.9 it got last week was already pretty terrible considering it was up against no competition at all (GA is on hiatus). I love the show, just saying.
ReplyDeleteCW didb"adjust it's ratings expectations to budget descions".Nikita was exspensive and in season two,when it was getting TTP/Reign ratings,they cut the budget.Secret Circle & Ringer were very exspensive and got cancelled because of that and declining ratings despite Pedowitzs favoring Ringer over the other new shows.
ReplyDeleteI know I need to stop being surprised by TBBT ratings but *dang*
ReplyDeleteOkay, I just noticed that The Millers is actually up from last week. It might only be a tenth, but still.
ReplyDeleteTwo and a Half men is indeed expensive, the cast is waaay overpaid, just with Ashton and John it takes already 1.3 million dollars, if you add the rest of the cast it goes up to 2.7 million ONLY in getting the actors paid, not to mention the rest of the cost of actually doing the show, which is probably around 5 million if not more (it could go up to 6 million even). That's waay to expensive and it's not doing well on the demos. Sure, the show makes some gain on syndication, but considering it's only trending down, bringing it up for next season where one could expect it to perform it at mid 1s level if not lower soon it will start to lose some money that syndication can't cover by itself, whereas CBS could try out a new comedy. It's not out for sure, but performing at these levels Two and a Half Men is really risking it to be axed. The Crazy Ones did terrible with that 1.7, but it faced The Olympics, if it comes back to bad numbers after the hiatus, then I will consider it likely cancellation.
ReplyDeleteRegarding Mom, it's a likely renewal at this point.
It's bad, but Two and a Half Men does about the same, and unless CBS decides to cut off two hours of comedies (which could happen, but to this point we have no data to support that) only one more comedy could be cancelled, and Two and a Half Men seems more likely to me than The Crazy Ones; of course, if it keeps scoring 1.7s or lower, then TCO is done, but 2.5 Men cost around 5-6 million to produce (the actors salaries are insane!) and it is doing just avarage ratings, so even with syndication profits, I see it more likely to be axed in the race against The Crazy Ones
ReplyDeleteI really don't like were vampire diaries story is going looks like alot of people don't like it that's why the rating are low
ReplyDeleteI tend to just look at the cancellation table and its in the green so I've never thought I would have to worry over it.
ReplyDeleteI am not saying that Two and a Half Men isn't terribly expensive, I am just saying that there is a third party in the middle which is WB who is the one that pays up all those costs. I am not certain that CBS is eating them all up. Example (the values are fictional and may be totally off-base, it's just to illustrate):
ReplyDelete1. Two and a Half Men had an estimated price per 30 seconds add going into this season of 204.18. Last year's, the weighted average of its final episodes was a 4.23, which gives us a CPR of 48.27
2. Applying the same CPR to this year's ratings, which have been hovering around the 2.0 area most of the season, we would get a price per 30 seconds of adds going into this season of about 100.
3. Assuming there are roughly 10 minutes of adds per each episode, that would mean that ,per episode, Two and a Half Men yields about $2000.
4. The last mention of a syndication deal for the show I could find reference of is from 2006, paying up $850,000 per episode. I am certain this has been more than revised ever since then. Hell, 2 Broke Girls is getting $1,700,000 just with 4 seasons. I am going to assume the $850,000 has roughly doubled up (considering that both the initial deal has increased its value and that there are other deals that have been made since then), so, let's say, $1,700
5. Assuming the show airs about 22 weeks of repeats per season (including summer) and that those repeats get, let's say, a 1.2, assuming the same CPR, each of these repeats would give about $1,100. Assuming each season has 22 episodes, we can allocate an additional benefit of about $1,150 per original episode.
6. This all means we have a total gain per episode of about $4,850.
7. Now, about costs. I take your figure for the salary of the leads being 1.3 but I dispute the notion that it gets to 2.7 once you add in the rest of the cast - which rest of the cast, by the way? At best, I take a 1.7 estimate for the cast.
8. As for the estimates for the rest of the show, again, this is very hard to estimate, but I think you are exaggerating. For reference, OUAT is said to be one of the most expensive hour long shows and it costs about $4,500 per episode and this already includes the very large cast. A comedy, especially a multi cam comedy, should easily be almost half of it, even when you account for the fact that it gets slightly more expensive as it goes on on the crew's size. However, for the sake of being conservative, let's say that the show costs about $4,000 to produce, which would mean that apart from the cast, there are about $2,000 of expenses to support.
9. Overall profit is still positive at around $1,000. WB and CBS would just have to work it out so each gets around $500 per episode.
Again, please take these figures with a huge grain of salt (there is a lot of assumption going on here) and most of it we can't really know the cost, but my point is that I am certain the show is not as unprofitable as some think it is. I could easily see it being renewed if CBS thinks it can profit more from another show, but I can also see it being renewed because it's most likely still rendering a profit. My point? It's not a clear cut thing.
I've answered about Two and a Half Men on the other post, but in regards to there being no data to support the idea that CBS will axe a comedy hour, I would say that every single midweek drama (including 10pm) outperforming the lowest rated comedy hour and the weekend dramas almost beating it too is data suggesting they will do so (remember also that CBS owns their dramas so there is additional syndication benefits from a drama hour than there is for a comedy hour). I do agree with you that there is no data yet to let us know that they will do it, but there is data to suggest they will do it, at least.
ReplyDeleteAgreed 100%. I suspect CBS will keep it on the same night as TBBT, even if they push it to a later time-slot. Whether it's Monday or Thursday, they'll be together on the same night at least. CBS has to have learned something from ABC's Wednesday mistakes. But yeah, the Millers is going to get pushed through to syndication I think.
ReplyDeleteI know you dislike reign, but damn, you are trying WAY to hard.
ReplyDeleteyou're kidding me, right ?
ReplyDeleteI'm talking completely objective about this issue, I don't like this show, I admit that and I think everyone here knows that. That doesen't mean I won't try and have an objective view on this shows shots at getting a second season.
A 0.1 advantage over the competition is not going to give this show the heads up it needs. That's a fact and the budget is INDEED part of the issue.
Wether you like a show or not shouldn't matter in an objective discussion that isn't specifically about the show itself but about the logistics behind it.
Is it badly written ? In my opinion it is.
Is it poorly acted ? In my opinion it is.
Is it painting actual history in a completely wrong light ? Oh hell yes.
I'm by far not a fan of The Carrie Diaries but I'd still vote on a pickup for a third season. Why ? Because it's cheap to produce, a mediocore but not horrible performer on fridays that could pull in more paired up with Hart of Dixie or a show of the same kind and could be a goldmine for theCW if promoted right as the 'spiritual successor to Sex and the City'.
I HATE Hart of Dixie but I'd still vote for a 34 episode pickup (1 season and a half) because the show, while dropping, has the perfect chance to become the next syndication wonder à Gilmore Girls.
My dislike for this show doesen't hinder a objective discussion, you on the other hand hang yourself up on my personal feelings regarding this show, shooting every conversation down immediately simply due to you not agreeing with my view of the show.
Should Reign be picked up over TTP ? Currently the ratings are surely in Reigns favour, ratings aren't everything tough. If a show turns out to be too expensive (what Reign appears like) then at least the thought of this show not making it is open for discussion.
Just because I think it's a possibility for Reign not standing on a as healthy foot as others do doesen't make it a fact.
As long as Reign pulls enough money for WB and theCW I'll gladly abide but currently Reign appears, to me, as theCWs missed opportunity at a The Tudors 2.0 rating wonder
All i can say is lol, and yes you are trying WAY to hard. Putting down a show you don't like because you like ttp? And p.s, all the negative things that you said about reign can be said about ttp too.Poorly written, poorly acted.
ReplyDeleteyou know...I don't watch TTP. I've caught the pilot and considered it to be a burning pile of sh*t. Just as bad as Reign. A supercomputer ?
ReplyDeleteThe only remotely good thing about TTP is Mark Pellegrino and I feel he's too good for this show.
You invalidated your own argument
Lol! I'm the troll. You come to a page that doesn't have ANY of your favorite CW shows and trash talk them. Shows with fans and viewers and yet i'm the troll. Do you see me going to a page to bash a show i don't watch or like? Another lol!
ReplyDeleteLol! i'm a troll. You come to a page without any of your favorite CW shows and bash shows that you don't watch or like and yet i'm the troll? Do you see me going to pages of shows that i don't watch or like to bash them? Another lol! Also, learn to spell.
ReplyDeletereally ? You're reposting this ?
ReplyDeleteHoly hell...there's no talking to you.
I'm trying to lead a unbiased conversation and you go berserk on whoever you disagree with because of stuff you don't want to hear.
Sure I dislike this show, that doesen't mean I can't talk about it without my bias.
You clearly are incapable of accepting other opinions and viewpoints and take my dislike for this show as a reason to dismiss my points.
So just because I don't like this show I can't objectively talk about the logistics behind it ?
I re-posted it because for some reason it wasn't on the page, idiot. And you are definitely biased, which other CW show do you go on its page commenting that it has bad actors and viz a viz? You don't like reign fine, but why is it the only CW show you that you come to its page and seem to ram in our face that you hate and how bad it is?
ReplyDeleteThanks for the name throwing f**ktard.
ReplyDeleteif I came here to hate on this show I would've wrote reason upon reason I hated it. But I didn't. I intended to have a normal conversation with people weighing in on wether this show's 0.1 advantage over the opposition was enough.
I didn't say that Reign would get cancelled because it sucks, I didn't say it would be kicked off the network because it spits on history or anything I could have said if I blindly hated on it.
In fact I was merely stating that this shows budget might be the reason it needs more than a 0.1 advantage.
That was it. I didn't state more than that and you once more went apesh*t on me for 'bashing' your show in your eyes.
I didn't, at least I didn't intend to. If I hurt your Reign-heart I apologize, in the near future I'll stay away from normal discussions and will just resort to blindly bash this show. Because that's apparently who I am.
Lol
ReplyDeletealtough I don't see any mid-season show getting a second season. That's rarely because of its quality but rather the show having missed theCWs typical time to catch new viewers.
ReplyDeleteI for one loved Cult, sad that show never caught on.