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4 Nov 2013

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163 comments:

  1. laura33414 November 2013 at 02:00

    OMG I loved this episode!


    Poor Ariel i actually feel so bad for her..Loves lost,for now anyway!


    So happy Emma doesn't want to be with Neal,i never liked the chemistry or lack of chemistry between them.

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  2. InvestedInYourFuture4 November 2013 at 02:03

    Why do I get the feeling that sending Ariel to Storybrooke will be a HUGE mistake for Regina, considering how Tinkerbell turned out.



    LOVED the fact that show did not dance around the fact that Nealfire is a jerk and that Emma has no reason to actually like him or feel positively about him.



    Also loved the fact that after all of Pan's melodramatics, Hook outright just went up and told it all to Charming and Snow as if no big deal. Also that love confession....my heart.


    Snow can't really keep a secret even if to save her life, eh? I so want this to be a running gag from now on.





    5/5

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  3. InvestedInYourFuture4 November 2013 at 02:04

    Also considering how much OUAT "borrows" from Fables and what Regina And Rumple seem to be cooking up to deal with Pan, could it be that they will deal with Peter Pan in the exact same way Fables dealt with Adversary? Especially considering that The Adversary was originally planned to be Peter Pan.

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  4. Andy1084 November 2013 at 02:05

    AMAZING episode!!! My favorite this season. Loved it! First Snow/Regina flashback in a while that was fresh, captivating and original. Intrigued by the real Ursula, and excited to follow Ariel and Eric in the coming episodes. Seeing Lana and Robert's 1 on 1 chemistry together for the first time since last season was a pleasant surprise, too. The only thing that really annoyed me was the Charming's willingness to drop their quest for Henry so easily and pursue Neil was rather out of character, especially considering David was going to die last episode in order to not go off course from saving Henry. And also, Ariel's dress at the ball was rather hideous... :p But really, what a great episode! Cant wait for next week.

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  5. klutzy_girl4 November 2013 at 02:05

    I loved it! I love Ariel and I can't wait until she and Eric reunite.


    And whoa at the Regina isn't Ursula twist! I loved that. And the fact that the real Ursula appeared. That was awesome.


    Emma and Snow's secrets were kinda mean, but I'm glad David's is out in the open now.


    I find it really hilarious that Pan's shadow was kinda hitting on Rumpel as Belle.

    Great episode!

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  6. Mfeliz4 November 2013 at 02:05

    This was an awesome episode! I liked the cave and everyone having to tell the truth. It was cool way to get all of them to fess up! I really liked seeing hook step up and tell both truths (although it was clever of him to tell the other three that Neal was alive and not tell Emma). I wonder how this will play out for him. It was awesome that we got to see the real Ursula

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  7. Emily4 November 2013 at 02:11

    I'm glad someone else thought the ball gowns left a lot to be desired! It looked like they cut off the bottoms!

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  8. Barba Pomales4 November 2013 at 02:11

    my biggest question is this why does pan want to Henry ? I m more into big picture when will that be told and yes i m huge on Neal and emma but its how it suppose to be He got to fight for her.

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  9. patriotfall4 November 2013 at 02:12

    I loved this episode so much! Definitely one of my favorites of the show.

    I absolutely loved the introduction of Ariel. So happy she is going to stay on the show and is going to help them by sending her to Storybrooke.

    I was actually surprised that Hook told Emma and David that Neal is alive. I'm starting to like him now.

    Yay for Mary Margaret telling David she wants another baby! I teared up when she told him her secret.

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  10. Aydrian4 November 2013 at 02:13

    I am a happy Captain Swan shipper right now. To hell with the haters, Hook's confession was super sweet. Emma's still too worried about her son to even think about relationships. I get that. But once they get back home things are going to become very complicated.


    Seriously though....that confession. It boggles my mind that people actually hate those two together.

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  11. Kelly M4 November 2013 at 02:17

    I like Ariel. She was very well cast. My favorite secret was Neal's. IMO Neal is awesome and MRJ&JMO killed me in the cave scene. Great chemistry. So excited to see Belle, Grumpy and the gang next week.

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  12. Ghani4 November 2013 at 02:17

    Am I the only one who thinks Ginnifer is pregnant? (I thought so from the beginning of the season, but after tonight's episode I would be really surprised if she isn't.)

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  13. CP4 November 2013 at 02:19

    I'm liking Hook a lot more this season so the idea of him and Emma having a relationship isn't a bad one anymore, at least to me. I did feel bad for Hook after his confession. He's falling in love for a person who isn't near feeling the same.

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  14. Detectivexo4 November 2013 at 02:23

    Okay amazing episode, I wasn't crazy about Ariel's casting but it was really good. She did fantastic. I like Rumple/Regina paired up it was about time

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  15. Emily4 November 2013 at 02:24

    Why does Pan want Henry? That was already revealed: he wants the heart of the truest believer and that is Henry.

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  16. klutzy_girl4 November 2013 at 02:34

    I don't think she is - They started filming in July and this is her last month:

    http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/mzgFamCrTZD/Celebs+Stop+by+the+Extra+Set/ZClBPbSBodK/Ginnifer+Goodwin

    and then in September:

    http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Ginnifer+Goodwin/Ginnifer+Goodwin+Leaves+Chateau+Marmont/udCJNo4RW8Q


    Ginny doesn't look pregnant to me, but could be wrong.

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  17. InvestedInYourFuture4 November 2013 at 02:35

    The show has already pretty much explained that what Pan WANTS and what he Says are two entirely different things.

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  18. Bros4ever4 November 2013 at 02:38

    I loved this episode, one of the best and my favorite this season. I love Ariel, she's my all time favorite Disney Princess and I really love Ariel and Snow's friendship. I am so I hope they find Henry. Regina as Ursala was great I didn't really want her to play Ursala but she was good doing this part.

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  19. Emily4 November 2013 at 02:42

    Without a doubt. The OP did not, however, differentiate between that. The grammar was already difficult to decipher.

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  20. laura33414 November 2013 at 02:47

    I'm liking them together too,i never did like Neal. Yeah,people questioned whether or not he would tell them about Neal but i knew he would,especially if he wanted to have any chance with Emma..

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  21. Stephon SJ4 November 2013 at 02:52

    Hands down one of the best episodes of the season.

    Ariel: loved her introduction. Seeing her meet Eric and losing her voice. All magic comes with a price.
    Love Regina, but so glad Regina isn't Ursula and the real Ursula slaps some sense into her
    The Whole Flashback was perfect.

    Present day: I called the fake Belle being the shadow. Peter loves screwing with Rumple.
    In the caves I loved the SwanFire moment. Emma had to get that alll off her chest. she is still in Love with Neal and never and i say NEVER stop loving him. Sorry CaptSwan fans. but i do see a love triangle starting real soon.
    Pan as always stealing the scenes he's in.

    Another OZ reference tonight: the munchies

    Storybrooke is BACK next week. and more Ariel cant wait!!!!!!!!!!!

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  22. InvestedInYourFuture4 November 2013 at 02:54

    I am more confused at swanfire shippers who put down CS "because Hook is a pirate and a criminal", yet conveniently ignore that Neal is...yep you guessed it, a criminal too.


    If anything this season has definitely convinced me that shipping captain swan is the way to go, considering within last few episodes, while Neal was busy using someone else's firstborn son as a BAIT, Hook was being honest and helping Emma.

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  23. laura33414 November 2013 at 02:58

    I think she is starting to feel something for Hook. The way she told MM she 'just kissed him' and then tried to explain why she did. It almost seemed as tho she was trying to convince herself,not her mother...

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  24. InvestedInYourFuture4 November 2013 at 03:03

    Let's not forget the fact that she seems to genuinely confused by something that she called as "just a kiss" before.



    Right now Henry is on her mind so its no doubt hard to solve what she feels or even to think about it. Emma has always had an one-track-mind that way - focus on the goal, think about details latter.



    Not to mention that its Emma - she has a VERY hard time opening up(no thanks to Neal) and she puts up walls and she likes to pretend that "its nothing serious or important", just like she did with Graham.

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  25. laura33414 November 2013 at 03:10

    So true,she does like those walls! Aw,man,she and Graham had great chemistry.If only is he didn't loose his heart!...But you know,she also had great chemistry with August....


    Yeah,i don't expect anything to happen till they get back to Storybooke,and then i'm sure something will happen with Hook.

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  26. Kris B4 November 2013 at 03:17

    Best episode of the season!
    I liked how they had to tell there darkest secrets to save Neal. I knew Regina wasn't the real Ursula. Can't wait for next week, Belle and the other characters are back!!!

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  27. Barba Pomales4 November 2013 at 03:33

    nope that isnt the big picture ....Theres too many questions that they havent reveled yet like why is that heart so important why did they have to wait centuries for it and above all HOW da heck did he know about Henry

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  28. Brandy Williams4 November 2013 at 03:48

    She didn't really say she doesn't want to be with Neal, she never said that.

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  29. laura33414 November 2013 at 03:51

    No.she never said those exact words but that is what she meant.

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  30. Crowsfan4 November 2013 at 03:51

    I'm not a die hard shipper of Captain Swan, but I am definitely anti Neal right now. His whole spiel about how he was always going to fight for her just shows that he's either full of crap, or like most men, has deluded himself into thinking that nothing is his fault.
    The more I think about it, the more lame his reasons for letting Emma go to jail are. Who was August going to tell his secret to? Come on, no one would believe him. The curse was still in effect so it's not like he could have told anyone in Storybrooke.
    It wasn't like he returned to Storybrooke for her either, he did that for Henry. Which, fair enough. He was with Tamara, he'd moved on. If he's going to pursue Emma after that, he can't claim it's because he always loved her. He's only interested because his fiancee is gone. If Tamara were alive and not evil, he'd still happily be with her.

    Yes, Emma still loves Neal. But that does not mean they should be together. This is clearly not a healthy relationship, Neal's clearly only going to hurt her. That's all he's ever done.

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  31. john894 November 2013 at 04:04

    awesome episode, really good,

    i am more excited about Agrabah now, it'll be great.

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  32. Chalice934 November 2013 at 04:25

    Ariel was very underwhelming, Regina was awesome as always. Snow is pissed, Charming better watch out.

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  33. Des Q4 November 2013 at 05:58

    Absolutely loved Ariel - excellent casting. Little Mermaid was one of my fav movies growing up so I was worried they wouldn't give the character justice but wow, really well done intro to the character. I felt really bad for her. I'm really looking forward to more from her!

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  34. Lama AW4 November 2013 at 06:54

    Why no one has mentioned the awesome magic lesson at the beginning? :D or the fact that Regina referenced her failed attempt at true love with Robin Hood?
    and I was grinning when the real Ursula appeared and gave regina a good scold xD
    ps: can't wait for ARIEL AND BELLE!

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  35. Famous4it4 November 2013 at 07:05

    Awesome episode, the flashback was pretty well done. And besides Ariel being well-cast, is just me or does OUAT Eric have the exact same puppy eyes as Disney Eric!!

    Poor Hook! He looks so rejected and dejected... I hope he gets a happy ending too. I'm glad they managed to save Neal. I was kind of scared when he said Emma I have something to tell you too! For a second I thought he was going to say 'I'm really Pan' and change into him =p.

    I'm glad the Charmings got everything off their chest, but hands down my favourite parts of this episode were Regina!! I love how she screws up everything in the first place, and then saves the day!! It was pretty cool how she become the Mermaid whisperer and called Ariel (even though she was so mean to her) and of course defeating Pan's shadow. Booyah!

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  36. Tabitha Hill4 November 2013 at 08:40

    hope your right. i love hook. for last and this season i been trying so hard not to what ship who i want emma will be with but it so hard lol. "sry for neal fans" I is somewhat like this character but not to be with emma. i guess i cant get over the way he left her.

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  37. RT4 November 2013 at 09:01

    Wasn't a fan of Hook before but he has grown on me in a big way the last couple of episodes and I love Ariel to! A great fresh introduction to the show.

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  38. lichen26414 November 2013 at 09:02

    I thought it was strange too that the gowns were so short because I've only ever seen long gowns in this show and in the disney movies. But maybe for Ursula's ball that was the style (I can't recall what the other gowns looks like) or maybe Snow just went with what was available to her. I imagine she doesn't have a lot of options for formal wear when she's being constantly hunted by the Evil Queen's forces.


    Except that besides just saving Henry they also need to be able to get out of Neverland and since Neal is the only one who found a way (they don't know Pan let him go) and is the only one who can decode his map, saving him will help them accomplish that. And yes I also think it's because Snow and Charming saw the pain losing Neal caused Emma and Henry and that's probably why they didn't even hesitate trying to get him back. Charming will sacrifice his own life but from what I've seen he won't sacrifice his family's...and Neal is family.

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  39. Dannii4 November 2013 at 09:30

    I really liked the episode! I'm hoping for better magic lessons with Regina and Emma in the future however. But the Regina/Rumpel scenes were my favourite of the episode! Lana and Robert are amazing as per usual. I was actually kinda shocked by Snow's secret- only because I thought that the only pregnancy we were going to see was Aurora's.

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  40. Tonya Santana4 November 2013 at 09:41

    No once he found emma his feelings came back for her. Long before he know the truth about Tamara. And the person August could tell would 've been rumple. Neal knew the curse was his dads doing and that his dad would have his memory. So that would ruin all the hiding he's been doing for years. I don't get why peopl are hating on the fact of not wanting a family to be back reunited once they save henry or ture loveimpl to be reunited. Plus the whole emma hook thing is disturbing since hook was with neals mom. Does he like stealing the women fron neals life. Plus when he first met neal he was trying to be a father figure to him. Not very father like stealing the boys gf ha. And emma never implied that she didn't want to be w neal. She was telling she was scared bc she's always been hurt and abandoned and it wouldve been easier to deal w him dead since she already morned him. My goodness she told him she still loved him you don't tell that to someone you don't want to be with.

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  41. lichen26414 November 2013 at 09:50

    Loved this episode! I've been anxiously waiting for the arrival of Ariel and the show did not disappoint. Loved both the flashback and the present stuff in Neverland. I loved the flashbacks with Snow and Ariel and I loved Regina turning Snow into a mermaid so she couldn't run. Also loved that while Lana did a brilliant job playing Ursula (or Regina pretending to be Ursula), Ursula actually exists and I'm hoping we get to really see her at some point in the future. Also looking forward to seeing the reunion between Snow and Ariel in Neverland. Loved the magic lesson from Regina and loved Regina taking out fake "Belle". What can I say there's very few things I didn't love in this episode… and I really want to know who's in the other crate! Maybe Wendy? Maybe Tigerlily?


    And the echo caves scene, I'm glad Charming finally had to tell his family the truth. Also I can see why both Emma and Snow didn't want to admit their secrets because they are hurtful, but you can't help how you feel and if it weren't for Pan forcing them to, they never would have admitted it in the first place. Also I can't blame either one of them. Snow loves her daughter, she's very proud of her but she was completely robbed of getting to see her grow up. Emma at least got Henry at 10 but Snow got Emma at 28. She's a mother who was robbed of getting to be a mother. It's understandable that she would want to have another chance to raise a child and I highly doubt that that even if they do have another child that she won't continue to do everything she can to be a mother to Emma. And as for Emma, I really can't blame her for feeling that way about Neal. No matter why he had to do it (and I personally would have liked to see August get a bigger repercussion for this) he betrayed her and had her sent to jail, which is probably why she felt she couldn't keep Henry. Even though she does still love him, that's a lot of pain to confront. And Hook's secret though not really a secret at least to the audience was heartbreaking in the way he delivered it. I feel for the guy. I don't know how this love triangle is going to go but I feel for the guy. He's really trying to change.


    Looking forward to finally seeing Storybrooke next week and more Ariel!

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  42. Bogi Sianec4 November 2013 at 09:53

    I don't think she meant that. It is not about who she wants be with but what she feels. She really is heartbroken. The only reason she wished Neal was really dead, because she does not want to suffer all over again. What she really meant is that between her and Hook it was just a kiss. That was real... But she confessed her feelings for Neal and she just needs time to be able to trust him again. True love never really dies :).

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  43. Feekk4 November 2013 at 10:41

    Amazing episode! Wow!


    Some observations:


    1) I'm very very very glad that Regina wasn't Ursula!


    2) This is the first time ever where I'm torn equally between two shippings. I mean, I want Emma with Neal as much as I want her with Hook. I'm really torn. Really really torn.


    3) I thought that the monologue in the beginning of the series was that the people in the Fairy Tales Land were brought to Storybrooke because there were no happy endings there, but there were no differences as I saw. If you remember in the FTL, Hansel and Gretel still had't found their father, Grumpy still didn't find his love, Belle was still separated from the Beast, and Ariel was still not with her true love. So, there seemed to be equally no happy endings in the FTL.


    4) Joanna Garcia is amazing as Ariel! And I love how she is very loyal to her friend (i.e. Snow). I really really hope by the next episode, she's reunited with Eric.


    5) I may be the only one but I really hope the flashbacks in the future episodes take us away from Snow running away from the Evil Queen. It's getting repetitive. But the flashback of this episode was very nice because finally it told us a new story of a new FT character, away from focusing on Snow, Charming, Queen, or Rumple.


    6) Oh, I forgot, I'm glad that Hook was not being selfish and told the others about Neal. I'm glad that finally I could see Hook as a good character, rather than a villain.


    Anyways, my rating for this episode would be 9.2/10. The 0.8 is because of the flashback of Snow running away from Queen, which is just a tiny pimple of this episode. I can't wait for next week and see Storybrooke!

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  44. uma864 November 2013 at 11:13

    I don't think so. I don't need Neal & Emma together again (although I don't feel more enthusiastic about her with Hook either), but I did not understand Emma's words not as a clear way of turning down Neal and for good. She's hurt and she has every right to be and maybe she will never get past that. Or maybe she will. She got something off her chest this week that had been heavy on her heart for ages and now she'll be able to slowly move on. In which direction this leads her remains to be seen.

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  45. Katerina224 November 2013 at 12:04

    Great episode!I'm very,very happy with S3 so far and really excited to find out what's going on back in SB.
    Ariel is a lovely addition and the actress does a great job,in my opinion.And,of course.Rumplestiltskin and Regina scenes have yet to disappoint me.


    However for me,the Echo caves were the best part of last night's episode.It'll be interesting to see how Snow will react to David's secret,especially after the revelation of her own.
    But the most promising thing is the way they seem to wanna go with the so called "love triangle".I think it's a safe bet that we won't have to deal with Emma being torn between the two men for the next two seasons and that's mostly because of the way the character is portrayed.Other shows would have dragged both Emma and Hook's declarations for as long as they could.Thankfully,that's not the case.
    Although,shipping is not really my thing,the way things have been show so far makes me favor Emma and Hook more.One reason,obviously,is that I think it could be an interesting relationship.
    However,it also has to do with the way Emma and Neal relationship has been shown so far.Problem is,it hasn't been shown,not really.For the most part,we have been TOLD about it.We've seen maybe twenty minutes of it in Talahassee and that's it.There's supposed to be this great history there,and I don't doubt that there is,but we haven't seen it.That's just my opinion,of course,but if I am to be interested in a relationship(of any kind,not just romantic),I like to see it progress from the beginning.Some may argue that their reunion can be a "new beginning",however last night's episode proved that this cannot be the case.Emma can't and won't forget the past and how Neal hurt her.Season 1 began with Emma's birth,which made it as clear as possible that Charming and Snow had ended up together.And even if that wasn't the case,they are two iconic Disney characters,it wouldn't be too much if the writers decided that,you know what,they're together,accept it and move on with the story in present time.And yet the chose to SHOW us their relationship from the beginning in flashbacks.
    That's not the case with Emma and Neal.It could still happen,I guess,and I don't doubt that we'll get at least one flashback of their time together,but frankly at this point,they don't have the time to explore it that much.They would have if they'd started from last season,but they chose not to.

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  46. laura33414 November 2013 at 12:09

    Emma could turn around next week and feel differently,of course that's a given. But right now she listened to her heart and it wasn't Neal. I'm not saying its Hook either.

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  47. laura33414 November 2013 at 12:30

    Yes,you can tell someone you love them and not want to be with them.... :)

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  48. Sara4 November 2013 at 12:36

    I'm really surprised that so many people thought this was a great episode. I thought it was probably the worst one they've aired so far.


    I mean, I'm glad they've embraced the camp but I really wish they would stop putting in realm jumping as the easiest thing in the world.

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  49. R Vassilissa4 November 2013 at 13:15

    LOVED Lana as the Evil Queen, 'Ursula' and Regina. Even though they've erased all of Regina's character development from last season and keep pushing her toward cartoon villain territory, Lana just keeps delivering one great performance after another, regardless of how ridiculous the script gets. I have so many issues with OUAT at this point, but Parrilla is the one reason I'm still watching.



    Though I must say I was pleasantly surprised by the cave confessions scene. I'm so glad they didn't make it a "Hook loves Emma/Emma loves him back" moment because that would've felt forced. It was very neatly put, Emma's motivation was believable. As for Hook - I think him falling for Emma was mostly to make the point that he's ready to love again (whether or not Hook/Emma are endgame is another matter).



    Finally, Regina sassing Rumple deserves a special mention as a highlight. And Regina as Ursula takes home the gold - is it just me, or was Lana channelling her inner Queen Latifah? :D



    Now onto my criticisms:
    - I'm so done with Charming. They just don't know what to do with the character, and it's painful to watch. Such a pity, though, with so many great villains, there's not a single 'hero' I actually do like. :/ "Emma's not the one I don't trust" - I don't even want to delve into how stupid this comment was and how it ruins what little continuity this show has. Oh for crying out loud, just put him out of his misery already and push him off the island.

    - So instead of doing something unexpected and interesting with Snow, they decided to run in circles? Story recap: Snow is on the run from the Evil Queen (haven't we seen this before?), she makes a new friend (p.s. Ariel is the new Ruby), Snow has only good intentions but indirectly becomes the reason for a person's heartbreak (I must be having a deja vu). And what is in store for Snowing? Finding a way to save each other and then having another baby (riveting TV). I bet the baby's first words will be "I will always find you".

    I guess Regina didn't call them "the two idiots" for nothing.

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  50. R Vassilissa4 November 2013 at 13:22

    It's not just realm jumping. The viewer is supposed to go along with a lot of stupid ideas.
    For example, I can barely stomach their "true love" and "love at first sight" concepts. Ariel supposedly 'fell in love' with Eric just by seeing him once? And he barely recalled seeing her, but he loved her just as much. Mhm, that's love indeed.
    Children, you can tell a person is your soulmate just by the way they look, you don't even need to talk to them to know, and you certainly don't need to have a thing in common. Even knowing each other's true name is optional. *facepalm*

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  51. Dannii4 November 2013 at 13:35

    Regina sassing Rumple was definitely a highlight! Rumple and Regina are the sass masters on this show (Peter's making his way too) and any sassy lines from any of them are the best

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  52. ruslook4 November 2013 at 13:57

    she just said that it would be easier for her if he was dead. I perfectly understand that. they'll work it out. if she didn't care about him she wouldn't suffer like she did and will be. she'd just go.

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  53. laura33414 November 2013 at 14:10

    Love, love, love your recap!! I laughed so hard I had coffee come out of my nose! :)


    Oh yeah,if it wasn't for Lana i wouldn't be watching.She is fantastic!!!!!

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  54. Feekk4 November 2013 at 14:11

    You do realize this is FAIRY TALES we're talking about right?

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  55. laura33414 November 2013 at 14:14

    Even tho its a fairy tale at times they go overboard and into the ridiculous.

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  56. Feekk4 November 2013 at 14:22

    I think that's what you should expect from a show that has fairy tales as its main concept. If you're looking for a show where the two characters are on a date and have relationships ups and downs and going through a breakup, bla bla bla, just go to other millions shows. I think among the best qualities of OUAT is it doesn't pay attention to the boring cliche dating games other shows always focus on.

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  57. Tonya Santana4 November 2013 at 14:22

    Yeah but what I'm saying is she never said she didn't want to be with him. If she was implying that hook wouldn't look so said because then he would think he stood a chance but he's losing hope because he believes in the end after this rescue she's gonna end up with neal. I have a feeling hooks gonna scarifice his life to save emma at some point. In my opinion.

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  58. Setheriel4 November 2013 at 14:34

    Bloody brilliant episode! Captain Swan may have a chance. Very happy that Hook confessed, and so happy that Emma's confession to Neal was handled in an adult way. Sometimes, you can love someone without being 'in love' with them anymore. Best Episode of the season by a mile.

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  59. R Vassilissa4 November 2013 at 14:35

    Thank you. :) I guess Regina's snarkiness is starting to rub off on me! :D

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  60. Tonya Santana4 November 2013 at 14:36

    This is baced on disney movies and that's how it worked there. They can't steer too from who yhe person belongs with or that would probably make people mad. Also when its side stories they don't have time to go through the normal relationship path that would take too long.

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  61. R Vassilissa4 November 2013 at 14:41

    Fairytales have been around for ages, so you cannot use a single all-embracing definition. The original Grimm and Anderson fairytales that the show references have little to nothing to do with the OUAT versions, and they certainly weren't about happy endings, rainbow kisses and unicorn stickers.

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  62. ruslook4 November 2013 at 14:55

    it's different being a thief (10 years ago) and being a murderer and woman abuser like what weeks ago?

    I'm not buying hooks change of character. cheap fanservice and lazy writing.

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  63. R Vassilissa4 November 2013 at 14:56

    OUAT romance is BASED on cliches. "Love at first sight" is one of the most boring and commonly used tropes.
    What OUAT does not do and you find so wonderful, is that it does not take the time to build up to great romance. It just asks you to take the characters "feelings" as a given, because "true love" supposedly has material manifestations. It does not try to show any great love stories, instead it tells you that a certain relationship is true love.
    One of the reasons it does this, is because it follows the Disney films rather closely, which were already based on boring, cliche, tropes.
    So silly me if I expect a TV show to weave in a little maturity and originality into its scripts when at the same time all other major drama shows are breaking the mould and trying to stay away from old stereotypes and cliches.

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  64. Feekk4 November 2013 at 15:03

    Love At First Sight is a cliche, but one that has been dismissed by a lot of modern people now, which is why a lot of depiction of love in a lot of shows and films always comprise of complicated dating game, dating rules, and so on. OUAT maintains the LAFS cliche and writes it in parallel to what we can expect from fairy tales. I think that's smart. I think if OUAT takes time to build romance, then, it's nothing more different than Gossip Girl, How I Met Your Mother, Mike and Molly, and many others, except that it has magical component. It's a waste of time, because it will take us away from the wonderful lives and stories of characters of FT.

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  65. R Vassilissa4 November 2013 at 15:13

    True. But instead of saying that she only saw his face, Ariel could have said that she spent a week with him, he turned out to be a wonderful man and the more she got to know him, the more she fell in love with him (no flashbacks or additional screentime needed). Or, for example, she was impressed by the way he cared about his shipmates and whether they had survived; the way he insisted that she save them first before saving him, even though he was the prince and they were his subjects etc.

    I'm not asking for much, OUAT is definitely not my go-to show for complicated romantic relationships.

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  66. Crowsfan4 November 2013 at 15:14

    How would Neal have known about the curse? That makes zero sense as an argument. Not even Regina knew that Rumple still had his memories so to assume that somehow Neal knew is just a massive guess.


    You're starting to sound like some right wing conservative. "Neal and Emma must be together because they have a kid" Dude, no. There are plenty of parents who raise healthy kids without being together with each other.


    You can absolutely love someone and not want to be with them. A lot of people still have deep feelings for their first loves but that doesn't mean they want to turn back the clock and go there again.


    Neal went to Storybrooke to get to know Henry, it wasn't about Emma at all.
    Neal may have feelings for Emma but he's bad for her, won't do anything but hurt her in the long run.

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  67. Crowsfan4 November 2013 at 15:17

    Dude, she was hoping he was dead. That doesn't sound like she sees a future for them. It sounds like Neal's a part of her past that she would prefer stay as ancient history.
    Well if Hook's going to die for Emma it isn't in Neverland. since they seemed to be chumming it up in Storybrooke come episode 10.

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  68. laura33414 November 2013 at 15:18

    Agreed!

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  69. DarthLocke44 November 2013 at 15:26

    I agree with Brandy Williams. She said she wished he was dead so she didn't have to deal with her "feelings"...It implies that she has them, but is scared to pursue them....She is afraid to love [Neal] and the fact that she's being somewhat distant,proof of just how much she does feel for them, because Emma just thinks showing love is weak and is scared to go through it all again. Neverland is about stirring up feelings and having an option to deal with them, or make them worse...


    I don't think it's that Neal and Emma don't have chemistry, as much as Neal as an adult hasn't been fleshed out enough to be considered a more interesting contender. We really haven't seen him in action or give a lot of charisma... It would do him wonders to give him a weapon and have a fight scene!


    I give Kudos to Hook, except that he went to 'mommy and daddy' and not Emma first...I like him as a character and the way he is interacting with everyone is much better this season, but he still doesn't appeal to me as far as Emma is concerned and I just have this horrible feeling he's gonna die or find a way to" trade places with Charming" (shared brother themes) or something...

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  70. R Vassilissa4 November 2013 at 15:38

    Gossip Girl and How I Met Your Mother are hardly my idea of great romance.
    If you honestly think a show cannot do both romance and adventure - I don't think you've seen particularly good fantasy/sci-fi/action shows.
    I understand that your concern is that the romantic element would overwhelm the show and take away from the action scenes, but I think it's unfounded. No additional screentime would have been necessary to build up to the Ariel/Eric romance - Ariel could have just explained what made her fall in love with Eric - and I don't mean his handsome face - actions, character traits, etc. A couple of sentences in her dialogue with Snow could have made a big difference.

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  71. DarthLocke44 November 2013 at 15:38

    A fun episode!


    Regina was the best part. Loved the Ursula Twist and I have to say they did a nice job thematically at stringing the nautical-related things to build to this episode.


    Think Emma loves Neal more than ever, but she's gotta break down some walls!


    Oh Hook, you almost did the right thing. If only you went to Emma first and not her parents...


    Neal needs to become a little more interesting and/or resourceful, but Everyone better watch out for Regina and Rumple now that Regina proved to Rumple that Belle is not Belle (Echo caves + smoke monster - Mr. Eko).


    I like the concept with telling secrets it was like Indiana Jones meets Harry Potter!!


    Nice to meet Ariel, but I'm looking forward to her going to Storybrooke, especially since this year pre season 3 Ariel teaser is in line with this! (I can't wait to see the Storybrooke gang!)




    Rumple and Regina's banter was probably my favorite part of the episode!

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  72. laura33414 November 2013 at 15:57

    It really surprised me that no one brought up Regina and Ursula! I think it was the first time i saw Regina frightened by someone or something,and for me that was a surprise.I didn't expect her to have that kind of reaction.

    Yep,Emma loves Neal and they will probably wind up together but not now..like i've been saying,lol..If i shipped her with anyone it would be with a dead sheriff,or a wooden doll.

    I loved Regina and Rumple together.For a second i thought she was going to slap Rumple in his head the way she was trying to get him to see just who he was talking to! Ya,i thought of Eko too,ha!

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  73. LittleDreamer4 November 2013 at 16:08

    Right? The first half of S2 was about Emma & Co. finding a way from FTL to Storybrooke and now it's just like: Hey, let that kid utter two words and Neal is on Neverland or let us just call a mermaid to run a errand for us.

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  74. LittleDreamer4 November 2013 at 16:14

    I think part of Regina's reaction comes from her believing Ursula doesn't even exist. I think everyone would be a little scared when something/-one you believed to be a myth turns out to be real.

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  75. laura33414 November 2013 at 16:19

    Oh yes,i would be too.I just never expected her to show it!

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  76. LittleDreamer4 November 2013 at 16:32

    I guess this is why they made David so secretive about the whole Dreamshade situation because otherwise he wouldn't have anything interesting to share in that cave. Snow's secret felt very organic since she just cannot be a mother to Emma and David cannot be a father to Emma. That ship has sailed, the circumstances are just too messed for them to develop a functional parents/child relationship.

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  77. laura33414 November 2013 at 16:39

    LoL,'mommy & daddy'! Hook meant well.


    Your right about Neal,he isn't interesting,he is lack luster!

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  78. DarthLocke44 November 2013 at 16:53

    It's partially because the child actor who plays young Bae is so animated and full of life that this 'every day joe' aspect of adult Neal is just a stark contrast...It may be intentional if the point is that both he and Emma have to embrace themselves more, but I think they need to give us something worthy in proving that...

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  79. InvestedInYourFuture4 November 2013 at 17:07

    Hm, as far as I remember, putting a woman in jail to save your "Secret" , which leads to her having to abandon her child and living as emotional wreck for the rest of her life dwarfs pretty much anything we have seen Hook actually DO.

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  80. DarkForgottenLostEvil8.5Doctor4 November 2013 at 17:47

    This was a definite return to form in my book. Maybe we're finally getting past the drudgery of this season's earlier episodes. Very excited about seeing both Ariel and Belle back next week - it should be a fun team-up.

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  81. Victoria Hurren4 November 2013 at 17:48

    Last nights episode did two things for me made me like Hook 100% more and turned me into a Captain Swan supporter, I do feel they are making Hook to much of a nice guy

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  82. playdoc4 November 2013 at 20:57

    Entertaining episode! I like Ariel. Good casting, and good character concept. I enjoyed Ariel's story, as well as her love story with Prince Eric. I look forward to seeing the continuation of their story. Also, what a great way to weave Ariel into the past and present storylines. Ariel's addition feels cohesive to the plot, and adds another "Disney princess" friend to Snow.

    I liked how this episode added more character growth for each of our main characters and couples, moving plot forward, while still being interesting, even if most of the secrets were a bit anticlimactic and not shocking in the least. ;)

    I'm glad that the showrunners and writers have managed to improve this season (so far) over last year's. I like the new characters more. Tinkerbell and Ariel (and even Prince Eric) are way better than Owen/Greg/The Stranger and Tamara, both in terms of acting, as well as characterizations. I do see that the show is making an effort for more consistency, growth, and depth to each character. Plus, this season seems to be more character driven, and less plot driven only. I look forward to seeing this arc play itself through.

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  83. Feekk4 November 2013 at 20:59

    That's fair enough. But I think that kind of conversation would be more appropriate in "normal" shows that don't involve a woman having a fish body part. What do you expect her to say? "Oh, Snow I fell in love with him after he took me out on a date, and he was really charming and funny! He was a real gentleman and I think I'm falling in love with him.." Don't you think people here would FREAK OUT when Ariel said that? The purpose of this episode is to show us that Ariel is a shy girl who can't get a man out of her head.


    No, really. For me, your ideas of what makes this show "stupid" are what I think make this show great. It's so unrealistic, it makes me feel good, and I'm sure it does the same to many others. It takes me away from the realistic world. If I want to watch a show where two characters need to undergo some stupid dating rules before a budding romance, I'd just watch my own damn life.

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  84. InvestedInYourFuture4 November 2013 at 21:37

    But even then, it is done far better with Hook too. You can see far more similarities with lives of Hook and Emma than Emma and Neal.



    Neal does not feel simply "changed" he feels outright dull.

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  85. Compass_14 November 2013 at 21:51

    Ariel's storyline felt a bit too childish\out of place at the beginning for me, until the scene where Regina decided to play Ursula.
    Poor Ariel had to spent years without her voice, I wonder if she'll still consider Snow as a friend or blame her when she finally sees her.
    I really love Hook (him being the hottest guy on this show has nothing to do with that.. at all.. ;) and I prefer him to Neal personally. He made the right call when he told Snow and Charming and didn't tell Emma directly that Neal was still alive.
    I gotta wonder why Rumple can't kill Pan without killing himself in the process, how are they linked and who linked them?

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  86. Bogi Sianec4 November 2013 at 22:42

    I agree with that. The father-son scenes between Rumple and Neal are amazing.

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  87. Sara4 November 2013 at 23:05

    You're confusing fairy tales and animated Disney movies for children.

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  88. Sara4 November 2013 at 23:10

    Yeah, it's really stupid. Like, I'm in their target demographic, I'm a 28 year old female who just got married. Yet I find their portrayal of romance to be creepy and shallow. Considering they're supposed to be showing deep, meaningful 'true love' I'm just finding it tiring and wishing they would focus more on the relationships they have because ultimately, if I wanted shallow, I would watch the movies.

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  89. Sara4 November 2013 at 23:10

    And Regina also happened to have that bracelet on her person the off chance they might need an item from Storybrooke?

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  90. Sara4 November 2013 at 23:13

    'stupid dating rules' is a very far cry from wanting something more substantial than 'I saw his face from afar and I'm madly in love with him'

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  91. DarthLocke44 November 2013 at 23:38

    I do think the 3 of them have the criminal element, but beyond that I don't [as it stands] think Emma and Hook have that much in common, except that they have a tendency to lean into what's easy, where Emma and Neal are were both children that suffered the consequences of their parents had done, with Rumple ultimately being the biggest influence on just about everyone.

    Emma's personality is completely opposite to Hooks, as he is an happy-go-lucky opportunist, Emma is a down to Earth and almost cynical realist. Bae seems to be somewhere in between...

    I just think they have give adult Neal and Emma more of a story, if they want us to understand any of these relationships she is going to have...

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  92. DarthLocke45 November 2013 at 00:00

    She was hoping he was dead so that she doesn't have to deal with the fact that she does love him. Not wanting to deal with your emotions is not a good thing, nor is it what Neverland is about. She's scared and fears going through it again. (major abandonment issues). The only way she's going to ever be happy is to except her feelings and get over her fears, not deny them...


    I don't expect an instant turn over or anything, I'm sure they're going to milk Killian for all they can with this love triangle. But I do think at some point either they will have Hook "switch" places with Charming making him stuck on Neverland, kill Hook by sacrificing himself, or they could kill Bae sacrificing himself (which I think would be a disservice to Henry).

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  93. DarthLocke45 November 2013 at 00:06

    This a I generally agree with you, especially as of late. I think Charming's and Snow's are the only ones where I feel like 'the great love story' is fleshed out, perhaps a little too much so. For other characters it is just this sort of 'go with the flow' kind of philosophy, where the stories aren't put together well enough to feel real build ups. It's kind of odd really, because I think they're pretty decant at the friendship/parental relationships/explorations....

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  94. DarthLocke45 November 2013 at 00:12

    In Freek's defense there are sub currents of things relating to Grimm Broths, especially in season 1. (Theological themes/allegories). Even though I like you would like it to be more than it is, I still think Freek is right in that liking something is subjective and not all shows have to be what you and I probably hope for.

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  95. R Vassilissa5 November 2013 at 00:59

    Oh I'm well aware that we all differ in our views on what the show should be.
    However, considering the fact that the topic for discussion is "What did you think of Once Upon A Time - Ariel?", I felt entitled to express my opinion on the episode and the show. ;)
    Besides, as I pointed out in my other comment, there are things I like and things I don't - and I elaborated on the reasons why.
    There's nothing wrong with constructive criticism, don't you agree? Obviously, the people who downvoted me would disagree, lol. :D

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  96. Krzysztof Bożejewicz5 November 2013 at 02:10

    Loved the episode! And I just got a thought - what if Pan is actually Rumple's father?

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  97. Crowsfan5 November 2013 at 04:39

    Except Charming is also back in Storybrooke in episode 10.
    Emma has major abandonment issues in large part because Neal abandoned her (the curse is also to blame, but mostly Neal). Do you not understand how deeply Emma has been hurt by this man? She is never going to forgive and forget, she'll never trust him again. If she ever really trusts anyone again it'll be a miracle in itself and Neal is to blame for that. Neal is the problem, not the solution.

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  98. Steph5 November 2013 at 06:11

    God this episode was so bad. The CGI, Ariel's story, all of the dialogue in the cave was so stilted, and NO HOOK/NEAL SCENE. They seem intent on shoving this stupid love triangle down our throats, I despise it. Do the writers forget they made Hook come to Neverland for Neal in the first place? There is absolutely no continuity to be had on this show. The only scenes I liked were Regina teaching Emma magic and Regina finally knocking some sense into Rumpel.

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  99. Steph5 November 2013 at 06:15

    I like Hook because I thought he had a lot of complexity, being a villain who wanted to do the right thing for once. But then with last episode's retcon, giving him a brother, they're trying to convince the audience that he was a Good Guy all along in order to make him a more digestible love interest for the audience to believe in. They're really screwing his character.

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  100. Steph5 November 2013 at 06:18

    I agree that the problem isn't Neal himself, it's the writer's inability to give him dimension. I love the idea of Neal and I have faith in MRJ's ability to bring him to life, if only the writers gave him something to work with...

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  101. Steph5 November 2013 at 06:22

    THANK YOU! This episode was flat out embarrassing.

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  102. JustKeepSwimming5 November 2013 at 06:26

    What's with Snows inability to keep secrets? Just keep your mouth shut woman.

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  103. Steph5 November 2013 at 06:28

    I feel like they are being so lazy with Hook's character. There's some great opportunity to show Hook struggle to break free from his ingrained selfish ways and illustrate the full spectrum of his character, but I felt with last episode, it was just a desperate bid to say "look! he's a nice guy after all!" which is the laziest thing you can do to a character with so many possibilities.

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  104. omabin5 November 2013 at 11:48

    I liked it, even though I preferred last week's episode about Hook. This was still a major improvement from mostly everything they did late last year and it felt a bit like old school season 1 with us getting to know another character story, even if it was done using Regina and Snow yet again.

    Disliked:
    - Regina is only powerful when it convenes to her, which is a bit annoying. She could find a much simpler way to put the bracelet in Snow's arm without going through all the Ariel trouble.

    - Neal... I've decided on this episode that I really have a problem with him. I don't think the actor is particularly strong and I find that the character just comes across as too flat for me.
    - I dislike Neal and Emma for the most part a lot. It still bugs me how they don't mention that he was freaking engaged to another woman and ignoring Emma at all a week ago! That is a major plothole in their relationship IMO and everytime he proclaims his love for her I get annoyed with that.



    Really liked:
    - Ariel's story and the fact that she will still be involved with the show
    - Charming telling the truth at last

    - Ursula being alive and not being Regina, although I loved the Regina as Ursula thing, Lana was delicious



    I am still very happy with this season!

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  105. omabin5 November 2013 at 11:48

    To be fair, Hook came to Storybrooke to get revenge on Rumple, not to find Neal.

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  106. omabin5 November 2013 at 11:49

    That would be creepy ahah

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  107. omabin5 November 2013 at 11:50

    I agree that Hook made the right call, and I was glad he didn't hide it. As for Ariel, I don't think she will blame Snow, especially after her having been tricked by Regina herself into hurting Snow before. But we shall see.

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  108. omabin5 November 2013 at 11:50

    Excellent comment and I couldn't agree more, especially with your last paragraph. Very well put!

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  109. omabin5 November 2013 at 11:51

    Me too. I didn't care so much about this before, but now I really like Hook and I really dislike the whole Neal-Emma thing.

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  110. omabin5 November 2013 at 11:52

    While the Snow thing was organic to the character, I felt the timing very strange to be thinking about that to be honest. I understand what you're saying, but to me it felt a bit like it came out of nowhere, I don't know. It was also a bit of a "since I can't deal with you, I will have another one" to Emma, who already has enough complexes as it is.

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  111. omabin5 November 2013 at 11:54

    I think Hook did the right thing by going to her parents first. He didn't hide the secret and he actually attempted to avoid to hurt Emma.

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  112. omabin5 November 2013 at 11:57

    Good point about Regina. It's interesting because they had her in the same episode saying that she and Rumple were the two most powerful magic beings that existed, which would seem that she was able to solve her issues with Ursula somehow, no?

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  113. omabin5 November 2013 at 12:00

    I agree with this. And I also think the Charmings love story is too much fleshed out.

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  114. laura33415 November 2013 at 13:12

    Little dreamer brought up the point that anyone would be scared if they saw something they never believed in.Yeah,that's true but that just isn't Regina.Its not her way,she would go on the offensive. I would like to know why for i feel something is there that we haven't seen yet between those two?

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  115. omabin5 November 2013 at 13:13

    Maybe, yes. I am interested in seeing more of Ursula and Regina is surely the best character to interact with her from all we know

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  116. koky5 November 2013 at 13:16

    Every time they make a new princess story and they make it big and the princess gets to be in a lot of episodes I "as the biggest Cinderella fan ever" feel cheated :(

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  117. Steph5 November 2013 at 13:40

    No but Hook's motivation in the season finale was to honour Bae by helping save his son. The flashbacks and the revelation of Neal as Henry's father were set up so fantastically, and now I'm just worried they're screwing with the payoff.

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  118. DarthLocke45 November 2013 at 13:57

    I find it half baked. Good intentions, but he really should have gone to her since he says he cares for her so much...

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  119. omabin5 November 2013 at 14:02

    Yeah I agree with that, yes, but I was just pointing out that he didn't actually came to Storybrooke looking for Neal.

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  120. omabin5 November 2013 at 14:03

    IMO, it was exactly for caring that he shouldn't give her false hopes in case it wasn't true.

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  121. DarthLocke45 November 2013 at 14:10

    Do you know if Neverland is done though by episode 10? We have like 12 or 14 episodes before the season ends, being in Storybrooke in episode 10 doesn't necessarily say much. There's more than one way to die.


    Yes. I know she's hurt, but do you understand that it's not all Neal's fault, but August's and whomever sent him to break Neal and Emma apart? For Emma to take it THAT hard, has to do with other issues (abandonment issues and things stemming back earlier in her childhood -like Foster Parents/emotional abuse, stark realism), but because we haven't seen it and because Emma hardly talks about it, we don't really know, we can only speculate, but Emma's problem really isn't really just her feelings for Neal. It's herself and her inability to deeply trust other people, including her parents....Even what Snow/MM said in caves has to be a hard thing to hear, because if that happens and Emma is still living near them, she has to watch them raise her new sibling in a manner she never could and that could be an additional painful reminder. Hook is just easy for her, because she believes he's the guy you have a one night stand with and doesn't expect anything more in return.

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  122. DarthLocke45 November 2013 at 14:19

    Yes. All is fair in love and war! :D

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  123. ruslook5 November 2013 at 14:29

    uuuuuuuuuuu.. what about hook betraying bae and selling him to hook huh?



    and no. it dwarfs nothing no matter how you want it. ones betrayal don't redeem murders and assaults of the other. at all. and neal didn't put emma in jail. august did. he let him yes. but he did it it in order to her to met her parents and fullfill her destiny. and I'm sorry but emma wasn't innocent. that's unfortunate but she was a thief she just paid for her crime.

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  124. ruslook5 November 2013 at 14:32

    yes, sadly they made him a cartoon character. theres no journey. he was an a***hole in s2 and now they just made him a hero. just like that. without any explanation and well he didn't show any remorse for his previous doings. doesn't work for me.

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  125. DarthLocke45 November 2013 at 14:33

    Just as Tonya suggests that Neal could have known something about the curse, despite no evidence, the same can be said for your last sentence. We don't know if Neal is going to be bad for Emma in long run. A lot of things all of us are talking about here relies on "theory" based on what we think we know, but the truth is, in shows like this, there is an unfolding of information and truth in which bomb shells are dropped, which game changes the perspective on the whole truth of reality and characters identities, as we explore them from past to future and see if they can PROGRESS to become better people...That includes Neal too.

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  126. DarthLocke45 November 2013 at 14:47

    Well I think what's scary about it is that she appears and is able to cross over from the Mirror...


    When you think about the Mirror (ie the Genie/Sydney glass) is like her best friend, because of his comforting ways and because Regina is obsessed with her Vanity....To see Ursula, a person whom she didn't believe in, but impersonated, suddenly stare at her right in the face in her own private space with no warning, is unnerving to someone who believes that they have the upper hand...


    Another reason might be the LOST one, which you touched on in terms of The Fear of The Unknown. I always believed the 815-ers had innate fears of things they didn't understand coming from multiple experiences in previous timelines...Now I'm not saying OUAT has multiple timelines that reflect each universe, but rather the idea that perhaps there is something innate and foretelling with this experience. Facing Ursula in the future, might be what helps to save/change Regina...But it's the fear of it, as you say, which does suggest we're not done with it! Good job on spotting that XD

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  127. DarthLocke45 November 2013 at 14:56

    False or not, she should know the possibility of the truth, which is why her parents choose to tell her. He used the Charmings as buffer so he couldn't be blamed for whatever comes next.

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  128. Steph5 November 2013 at 16:09

    I never said he did...?I was talking about his motivation for going to Neverland.

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  129. Steph5 November 2013 at 16:24

    The romance drama plot is ruining both Neal and Hook in different ways.

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  130. omabin5 November 2013 at 17:05

    Ah so sorry. My bad, I misread your original post. Sorry!

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  131. Crowsfan5 November 2013 at 18:35

    So what you're saying is that you know you have no reason to believe that Neal is Emma's true love and won't end up hurting her again. You're just hoping that contrary to what we already know, some bombshell will be dropped that will turn his character around in the opposite direction and he'll no longer be the asshole who broke her heart and sent her to prison for a crime he committed simply because someone he didn't know told him that he knew his birth name.
    It's good to know you appreciate the depths of your delusion.

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  132. Kathleen Kervin5 November 2013 at 18:55

    The feelings that Emma doesn't want to deal with may also be her anger at being abandoned, pregnant and in jail, by Neal. It's easier, especially for someone like Emma, to just ignore those feelings rather than confronting Neal on how he treated her.

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  133. Kathleen Kervin5 November 2013 at 18:58

    Emma waited for Neal for 2 years in Tallahassee and she never found anyone else, but Neal moved on and got engaged to Tamara and never looked for Emma, ever after he knew the curse was broken. If he needs to see Emma again to have his feelings come back, it's not True Love.

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  134. Tonya Santana5 November 2013 at 19:43

    She has abandonment issues because she looks at her parents sending her to th e real world as them abandoning her. Thats where it all started. It didn't start with neal neals was just another ome to make her feel like she can't ever open her heart to anyone.

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  135. Tonya Santana5 November 2013 at 19:49

    They haven't ever said why neal really did leave her there's obviously a bigger issues that they never covered yet.

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  136. lichen26415 November 2013 at 19:49

    To be fair, Charming and Hook already blew it in trying to keep it from Emma. They didn't plan out exactly what their cover story was before they each said one and because of that they both said something different, then fell silent because they knew they screwed it up. Emma already knew they were lying and covering something up, all Snow did was come clean about it first.

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  137. Tonya Santana5 November 2013 at 20:00

    Neal moved on because tamara forced it. It wasn't fate or him truly moving on. She was there and he figured he'd never see emma again becaise he was distancing him self from fairy tale world. Plus true love or not men are always the last to know of it was true love or not. Come on david was gonna marry that one chick if she didn't say she had a true love and if snow didn't fight for it bevause he didn't. Even when je was thw storybrook david h e didn't fight for mary margret he was trying to have both. Men are just different when it comes to true love.

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  138. Tonya Santana5 November 2013 at 20:08

    Very true would have made more sense

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  139. Crowsfan5 November 2013 at 21:49

    No one forces another person to fall in love with them. Tamara didn't hold a gun to his head.

    David was compelled to marry that other princess through an arranged marriage meant for his brother. Not the same thing as falling for another woman.

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  140. Tonya Santana5 November 2013 at 21:56

    You can fall for another person and still have a true love out there it happens all the time that's why people get divorces and why there is the phrase the one who got away. Jist because they didn't fight for that person doesn't mean they aren't they're true love...

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  141. LadyAmethyst5 November 2013 at 21:58

    Something rings a bell in my memory of Bae finding an drawing of Milah on Hook's ship, when Bae was still a boy. Can't recall exactly what happened (in season 2).

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  142. Tonya Santana5 November 2013 at 22:12

    Yeah very true. Idk I just think how august probably put it was he would be saving emma by leaving her bc he was lleading her down a bad path. He probably said she would be reunited with her parents. Imo. I'm a neal and emma fan so I just think that he thought that he was giving emma a better life than being a thief. Were all entitled to our own thoights amd opinions. :-)

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  143. Tonya Santana5 November 2013 at 22:33

    Yup. Its a tv show based on fairy tales. The whole thing is illogical and some of them could be considered unhealthy...

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  144. Crowsfan5 November 2013 at 22:43

    What other relationships would you say are unhealthy, pray tell? What ships cross the line for you?

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  145. Tonya Santana5 November 2013 at 22:49

    The belle rumple relationship isn't the healthiest for belle. I haven't heard anyone everysay how the relationship isgood for belle only fpr rumple.

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  146. Crowsfan5 November 2013 at 23:26

    Yeah that one is creepy, and the worst part is that Belle seems to exist purely as Rumple's love interest.

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  147. DarthLocke45 November 2013 at 23:54

    No, what I'm saying is that nothing is black and white and people who think so and can't bend more thenn one way and see the possibility/potenitial in more then one thing, tend to be the deluded ones.



    My point is that not one of these characters are perfect, without flaws that don't end up hurting someone else and/or themselves. We don't know Neal well enough to know if he grew into a bad person. He made one terrible mistake (as far as we know), a mistake that wasn't his alone and now he has the opportunity, just like his own father, to fix something he hurt. - And we're still learning who these people really are by seeing where they came from and where they're going, thus there "full" identity is not completely known to us...

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  148. DarthLocke46 November 2013 at 00:01

    Right, but being abandoned stems from Childhood, not Neal alone. It hits her hard because of what Charming and Snow choose to do and because of whatever her childhood was like (she might of had horrible foster parents and/or foster siblings...)

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  149. DarthLocke46 November 2013 at 00:12

    Besides being a child in Neverland, Neal and Emma where both still relatively young hurt/broken people (otherwise you don't go on a criminal spree to celebrate your romance). Young people don't always do what's right the first time around, because they are still learning who they are and ultimately how to love (I mean seriously, the middle aged and older characters are still learning this! It's amazing how everyone excepts their actions, but when it comes to this romance, everyone is up in arms. Neal hasn't murdered anyone like Regina has, or used visions to make sure a curse happens in which good people's lives are destroyed...) Neal was scared to be near magic again and if Emma was going to have a destiny, he wanted her to be able to have that and not stand her way, but the truth is none of them new what the exact circumstances of Emma and curse were in that it also relied on this breakup and Henry....

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  150. DarthLocke46 November 2013 at 00:16

    Except that OUAT basically threw out there that there may be more than one soul mate...EX: Regina and Daniel, Regina and Robin Hood....


    If somebody dies, it seems you can find True Love again...

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  151. DarthLocke46 November 2013 at 00:30

    Thanks I think you're right, but I don't think we know what Hook told him about her and if he ever exposed their relationship and/or betrayal to Rumple?

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  152. Crowsfan6 November 2013 at 00:57

    Yeah, except Regina was never interested in finding out if she did have another soulmate. She was so grief stricken after losing Daniel that she cursed the entire Kingdom, after trying to break all the laws of nature and magic to bring him back to life.
    You're completely missing the point, though. Go and re read what I wrote and what you've said in reply. Your reply is not at all relevant to what I've said. And then try and explain yourself in a way that makes sense outside of your own head.

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  153. Crowsfan6 November 2013 at 01:01

    I'm not saying Neal's a bad person, I'm saying he's bad for Emma.
    Oh, and you might want to look into the difference between there and their, also then and than.

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  154. JustKeepSwimming6 November 2013 at 07:17

    She probably just magicked it out of her invisible inventory.

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  155. JustKeepSwimming6 November 2013 at 07:26

    I guess Emma would've been smart enough not to believe a cover story if Snow had made one up.

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  156. Feekk6 November 2013 at 13:01

    I agree, Regina nailed it as Ursula, BUT at the same time I'm very glad that Ursula is not her. Also I hope that Emma masters magic as soon as possible. The last time she did magic was awesome!

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  157. DarthLocke46 November 2013 at 14:28

    And the queen of grammar award goes to...

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  158. DarthLocke46 November 2013 at 14:31

    Never said the situations are the same, just that it offers a spin and expansion on the previously thought mythology, which again proves my point about the way information unfolds and changes the nature of reality, because ultimately it means there is still hope and love for them all, even when they loose someone...

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  159. DarthLocke46 November 2013 at 15:17

    Although I agree with almost everything you said, the smoke effect is to continue to play homage back to LOST and the shared themes of identity, reality, and facing existential truths through innate fears, as MIB could be perceived as a metaphor for not being able to escape oneself (and things associated with our identities such as family and ethics)

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  160. LadyAmethyst7 November 2013 at 22:04

    ...I guess it would help if I'd watched more than 2 seasons of Lost :/
    Thanks for clarifying!! Now I can appreciate the effect on another level :)

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  161. Krzysztof Bożejewicz19 November 2013 at 02:35

    Turns out I was right :D

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  162. omabin19 November 2013 at 10:28

    I didn't even remember this! Wow, major kuddos to you! I never guessed the twist! You should brag A LOT! I think it was one of the most unexpected twists on the show ever, congrats for getting it right!

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  163. Steph8 April 2014 at 06:38

    Haha no worries!

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