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Supernatural 8.23 "Sacrifice" Review: It's Raining Angels

16 May 2013

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    The season finale of Supernatural, “Sacrifice,” was written by showrunner Jeremy Carver and directed by Phil Sgriccia. It featured a simply amazing performance by Mark Sheppard, and a game changer that sets up the ninth season nicely. Once again the VFX work put every other television show on the air to shame. Sgriccia performs his usual magic and delivered a number of wonderful performances. The build up of tension at the end to the reveal of the angels being expelled was excellent as everyone is trying to figure out what is going on. It was a solid episode, though personally, not my favorite season finale.
      The episode begins with the usual season montage set to Kansas’ “Carry On My Wayward Son,” which we all sang along with, right? Then we cut to Sheriff Jodi Mills (Kim Rhodes) having a blind date with Crowley! She’s his next victim should the Winchesters decide not to take his deal. I was really hoping that she of all people would recognize the hex bag and save herself. I’m going to settle for the fact that she’s still alive and we will see her a lot more next season.
    It was great to see Kevin (Osric Chau), and even better that they finally let him into the Bunker. I adore that Dean (Jensen Ackles) keeps the key in its special box. Kevin will obviously be back next season. They still have the angel tablet, so maybe it will contain some clue to re-opening Heaven. Cas (Misha Collins) explaining to Kevin that he will always be a Prophet was a terrific scene as Chau goes from rebellious to cowed. Loved Kevin finally telling Dean that the sports metaphors weren’t motivating him. Even though it looks like Kevin is running away again at the end of the episode, it really felt like the character underwent grew into himself this season. He certainly faced considerable loss and hardship.
      Curtis Armstrong as Metatron delivers a terrific performance. I was so disappointed when he turned out to be a bad guy! He played the earnest, mild-mannered everyman so well that his switch to bitter and vindictive is even more shocking. Loved his comments to Cas that God was “larger than life, gruff, a bit of a sexist... but fair!” Metatron having to deal with Castiel’s poor social skills was hysterical. Metatron is a little too happy to see Naomi (Amanda Tapping), but once his plan is revealed it makes perfect sense. Naomi muses on why he’s come out of hiding now. His disdain for her also makes more sense in hindsight as she is simply playing right into his hands. Metatron’s motivation is simple revenge for what the angels have taken from him. By the time Cas returns to stop him, Metatron is pretty clearly as crazy as Dean says to Cas earlier in the episode. Metatron tells Cas that he is expelling the angels with a spell, that there never were trials – at least for shutting the gates to Heaven. This helps to explain why Kevin couldn’t find Nephillim  or Cupid’s bow on the tablet. This begs the question of whether the tablet can help – or maybe they will need a powerful witch – like Crowley? Tapping also turns in her best performance this season when she comes to Dean and Cas to warn them. Her anguish at finally remembering the angels’ true purpose rings true. It would seem that she’s dead by the end of the episode, but there were no burnt wings, so maybe there is hope she will be back.
    We lose another great female character when Sam lights Abaddon on fire. Alaina Huffman gives yet another great performance as the Knight of Hell and really holds her own in the scene with Mark Sheppard’s Crowley. I would have loved to see them have more scenes together. They both have the snarky comment down to an art form. She does manage to smoke out, so Abaddon will no doubt be back but unfortunately in another vessel.
    There’s a nice moment in the scene with Cas and Dean in the bar that breaks the fourth wall. Cas questions whether Dean should be drinking on the job and Dean asks, “What show have you been watching?” To top it off, there’s a show playing on the tv in the background about archery/bow-hunting and Supernatural is, of course, preceded by Arrow on the CW.
    Mark Sheppard’s performance is nothing short of brilliant. The brief flash of fear that crosses his face when Dean tells him that he’s the last trial and they are going to turn him back into a human is only the beginning. As Sam (Jared Padalecki) works his way through the cure, Sheppard’s voice loses its deep growl and his expressions become more clearly filled with emotion, not just anger. Once again, Sheppard delivers this performance while held virtually immobile in a chair. His speech becomes more tentative and he shifts from Moose to Sam. His anguish at what he’s done becomes greater as he becomes more human and he begs Sam to tell him how to atone. He meekly offers his neck by the last injection as he’s willing to begin to atone by helping to close the gates to Hell. I hope that we haven’t lost Crowely – but it will be interesting to see if he “recovers” from the procedure at all, or if he’s not able to regain his full power. It might be interesting to see he and Cas sharing an apartment a la The Odd Couple – but without either of them having any powers.
    Sam and Dean unite to capture Crowley to finish the trials to close the gates of Hell. Sam has to purify his blood through confession – which really doesn’t work if you don’t have a Priest. It’s still amusing to see Dean try to school him on how/what to confess. Of course, Dean comes off looking like a dick, particularly when Sam tells him that what he confessed was that he had continually let his brother down. Padalecki turns in one of his best performances as he confesses to his brother. It seems unlikely that whatever has been making him sick is simply going to stop now that he’s stopped doing the trials. Many people felt that Sam’s character has been off this season, but frankly, his “so?” in reaction to Dean telling him he was going to die if he finished the trial seemed off to me. Sam was the one talking about finding a life after hunting after all, or was he simply lying to his brother? Wasn’t Sam supposed to pull Dean toward a life after hunting by taking on the trials himself so it wouldn’t be a suicide mission for Dean? Dean, of course, is once again the master of his brother’s pain, and even a brotherly hug doesn’t seem to be enough to cure Sam. In fact, Dean appears to simply let everyone down in this episode. He fails to keep either his brother or Cas safe and isn’t effective at helping either in their respective tasks: Cas has lost his grace, and Sam is still at death’s door, yet the demons are still loose and now there are de-graced angels all over the earth. It’s true that they have the resources of the Men of Letters at their disposal, but it’s only been Sam that has been able to wade through the information as all the research now falls to him.
    The final scene with the angels falling from Heaven is a stellar example of the outstanding work done this season by the VFX team: Mark Meloche, Grant Lindsay, Ryan Curtis, Christopher Richardson, Trevor Chong, Steve McLeod, Kevin Genzel, Derek Rein, Werner ten Hoeve, Mladen Miholjcic, Jason Macza, Adam Williams, and John Marshall. The scene with the angels falling gave me goosebumps, especially the angel with his wings on fire. Sam’s glowing arms, according to one tweet, weren’t finished until Sunday at 10pm. It may have come in just under the wire, but the quality of those effects is simply amazing. Abaddon’s going up in flames and smoking out were also brilliant, and the montage at the beginning captured many of the spectacular head decapitations this year. Also a shout out to Jerry Wanek whose sets were amazing all year, culminating in the church in this episode. The crucifix with just the hands and feet was a spectacularly creepy touch!
    It looks likely that next season will focus on trying to get the angels back to Heaven and get Cas’ grace back. If the fight does focus on Heaven, that does present lots of opportunities for guest appearances. Bobby (Jim Beaver) told Sam he wanted back in the game. Ash (Chad Lindberg) is a force to be reckoned with in Heaven. Pam (Traci Dinwiddie), Ellen (Samantha Ferris), and Jo (Alona Tal) are also all there, not to mention Mary (Samantha Smith) and John (Jeffrey Dean Morgan). And where do dead angels go? Is it possible we might see some of the archangels It will be interesting to see what kind of role Crowley will play and whether Kevin will be waiting when they get back. With Misha Collins upgraded to regular again, he should factor heavily into the plot. Many people have objected to his acting as a dues ex machine in the past, so they should be happier about his presence if he can’t snap his fingers and fix injuries or transport anyone anywhere. Personally, I will miss his latent power, and I hope that he won’t simply be relegated to comic relief as he has been in the past when he lost his powers or his mind.
    What did you think of the finale? What are your thoughts going into next season? Do you think Naomi is dead or will we see her again? Is Kevin going to disappear? How sick is Sam? How will you be spending hellatus? Let me know in the comments. I’ll be posting a season review in the next week or so, and I hope you will come back and share your thoughts on how the entire season worked for you once we’ve had a chance to let the emotions of the finale settle.

117 comments:

  1. Good but generous review of what was to my mind a pretty weak episode. The completion of thE trials killing Sam is a big surprise? Really? Hasn't the fact that they're potentially fatal been a great big ole worry from the get-go? And how exactly does stopping at literally the last second (8ROLLS EYES*) magically cure Sam from the deleterious effects so far? "We'll figure it out" ... yeah, sure, get right on that. And what about Crowley, now almost but not quite cured ... what happens there? That can be resolved next season, I guess, but it felt pretty weak to me. Furthermore, it pretty much invalidated the whole season, the point of which was to, you know, close the gates of Hell. Oh well, so much for that....
    I wasn't surprised Metatron turned out to be a baddie, though it was a bit disappointing. But again ... he's been hiding out since the dawn of time and waits until now to take his vengeance? Are we supposed to believe he's been carefully manipulating events to bring this about, or that he simply stewed for millennia and then took this opportunity when it presented itself? Sloppy.
    I agree that there were great bits--Sheppard was a joy to watch, the falling angels were indeed spectacular--basically, all the good points you note were legitimate, but to me they didn't make up for the rest of it. That said, getting Cas's grace back and the angels back to Heaven does have potential for next season.
    And oh yeah, it was great to see Kim Rhodes again, even for a few minutes, and I really hope we see more of her next season! BRING BACK SHERIFF MILLS!!!!!

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  2. NIce review, and the VFX team really blow everyone's mind, it's one of the three most epic scene in the history of supernatural, the other one would be Mary get pinned on the ceiling and when Cass first show his wings.

    Just one thing about Dean bugs me
    The reaction of Dean:

    Sam finish the trials will die => I would never put anything before you, Sammy!

    Benny risk his life to save Sam => I would wait for you til you get topside. *big hug*

    Cas finishing the trials, trapped in Heaven and may get kill by angels => E.T. goes home, *drink beer*

    Really Dean? Really?

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  3. That final scene of angels falling from the sky was absolutely brilliant. Amazing work by the special effects people, and props to you for seeking out their names to give them the credit that's due. Truly a beautiful, if haunting, image.


    And I'm totally in agreement with you about the fate of Cas' character - I want to see him become a HELPFUL member of the team... not the blundering comic relief. And that's really going to hinge on Dean and Sam. Will they make him feel like part of the team? Or will Dean revert to comments about how he's a "baby in a trenchcoat" without his wings? I think he's going to feel broken and useless without them, so we'll see how the Winchesters handle that. Assuming that he goes to them, of course.

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  4. I agree, great effects like you say, great perfomances and very good ending. The angels falling are absolutely amazing.

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  5. Nice review. Here's my two cents:

    after that recap at the beginning, I'm pretty sure this is by far the season with the most beheadings. I mean, holy crap, I counted 9 in the recap alone. Heads did roll.

    Jody was a nice surprise. I still think it's possible that Crowley DID kill her. He is a douchebag, after all (Thought, the boys would've probably read about it or something...)

    It's funny and also strange how after all this time on earth, Cas still lacks every bit of tact.

    "What show have you been watching?" Ha. The gay bartender was also a nice touch.

    Brilliant performance by Sheppard. His emotional HBO speech was funny but also kinda touching. And Sam's "What?" plus Crowely's look of "What the hell did I just say?" was priceless.

    I was pretty annoyed by Namoi's sudden change of sides. All season long they show her as this big bad angel, and suddenly it's Metatron? Not cool.

    Sam's supposed-death was hardly surprising. I was like "Duh, it's not a finale unless one of them dies. and \ or cries."



    An OK finale to a pretty weak season, but I'll be damned if that final scene wasn't awesome.

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  6. I would just like to point out that this is not the first time that Cas was/is "human", there are many episodes when he basically loses all his powers "more pain medication ideally" and still can get the job done "cutting off pestilences finger". He always is reborn and gets all his powers back, it's not like God CAN'T intervene.

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  7. I agree! But we've also seen Cas end up being the lame duck. I think there is a lot of potential for Cas to truly reconnect with the warrior in himself - even without powers, but I can also see him being comic relief - which to me is just a waste of the character. What would hellatus be if we didn't have something to stew about?

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  8. disqus_1S0cPdC34I16 May 2013 at 17:56

    I think it's easier to highlight what worked -- at least for me. The angels at the end-- visual effects and the overall anticipation of what it might mean to next season was great. I actually liked Sam's 'so,' primarily because I was thinking the same thing! It seems both brothers have been so willing to die for the cause that when Dean says Sam will die if he completes the trials, it would seem natural to say 'so.' Every season one of them died or almost died it seems. What bothers me most is that each finale seems to have the same conversation about brothers banding together no matter what. Eight years later I would think we have an evolution of that conversation and I don't feel we have. However, for what it's worth, JP has gotten to be a much better actor and so his delivery of the season finale "brothers to the end" conversation was to me much more impactful. JA always has been a good actor so I expect a certain quality level. I actually did see Sam as the younger brother this time feeling really bad about disappointing his brother and trying to do the right thing. So for me, I saw JP evolved as an actor. Love Amanda Tapping and hope we get more. Problem was her epiphany just seemed to come so fast. I would have at least liked one moment where she seemed to question what she was doing. This was just too fast. Mark Sheppard -- not much to add to your critique but loved him way back to the X-Files days so little he ever has done disappoints. It actually will be one episode I watch again a few times -- mostly because the few moments I thought were good -- were really good.

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  9. someone has a crush on sheriff Mills...

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  10. Nice review! For me, Supernatural has been going way down hill ever since Season 5 ended. I still enjoy the show but not as much as I used to. I think that I have enjoyed the Season Finale's of Seasons 6-8 a hell of a lot more than the seasons as a whole. It's time either time to end the show with an awesome season or if they can't get it right, then end it all together. Again, nice review.

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  11. great review.. i would say only that I do not feel Sam has been 'off' this season, and his 'So?" was perfect for where his character is at, imo. Remember, he was DONE with hunting. This quest to close the gates of hell and end so much future suffering while bringing closure to a great many things that got them in the hunting game in the first place.... was an idea, the only idea, that was able to pull Sam back in to finish the game. This was the only thing that could make it worth it.. and if he had to die to do it, then so what? This fits in perfectly with how i've always viewed him.. he is flawed, but he is not weak... his only real weakness seems to come from an overwhelming drive to do good in the big picture.. which has led him down a bad path or two because he wasnt able to seperate himself, step back and say.. what am i really doing here?

    Dont get me wrong, I am glad he is still going to be around next season, but at the same time.. I think this would have been one of a few perfect endings for his character... he would finally feel 'purified' , free of that shadow that has hung over him all his life (the demon blood) and he really would have made the world a better place with his sacrifice.

    Just imagine for a moment that instead of how it went down.. after deans speech, Sam stares at his brother for a moment... and then says something along the lines of "I have to do this.." and slaps his hand on crowleys head before dean can react...

    Dean drags him out to the impala and the rest of the episode plays out as normal, except he is holding a dead Sam in his arms as the angels fall from heaven. (a dead sam who maybe in his last words got out some sort of assurance that he loved dean and understood that dean loved him, just to spare the poor guy some anguish haha)

    I think that would have been amazing!

    the possibilities of where they can take the story now are exciting for me in a way that i havent felt with supernatural since season 4. I think we are in for one hell of a ride from here til the end of the series!

    where ever it goes from here, this episode really reminded me why I love Supernatural.

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  12. Thanks! I can't believe I'd ever say this... but I agree. If season 9 doesn't hold together better than this, I hope it's the last season. I'm willing to give Carver another season to see if he was simply using this season to set the stage...but if not... Bring Kripke back for the movie!

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  13. Somebody pointed out that all the myth-arc episodes have felt too packed and rushed, and I have to agree. I would have liked a lot more from Amanda Tapping. It felt too much like Naomi was inconsistent just to create tension.

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  14. My take / hope for next season is not only is Castiel human but Crowley is also partially cured.Even though Sam did not finish I believe that enough was done to make Crowley very confused next season. He gave too much of himself to see ... Sam will never forget what Crowley cried ..imagine Sam and Dean riding with Crowley and Castiel coraling Angels......might be funny.

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  15. Thanks! I know about the beheadings, right? Wow! I want to go back now and see what kind of variety there is too... I thought cupid getting the gay couple together was perfect - and the fact that Metatron, Cas, and Dean all missed that he was gay. Can't say enough nice things about Mark Sheppard! And I also agree about Naomi waffling back and forth between good and evil. The bait and switch didn't work for me in S6 either.

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  16. Jensen and Jared I love you as BROTHERS! As always your chemistry is astounding. Thank you SPN for a great season. Have a nice summer SPN gang. See you some Tuesday very soon.Much LOVE!

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  17. Love this VFX team! This show is such a team effort on every level.

    Dean will likely be nicer to Cas as Dean's only role is as caretaker... I think the potential for this to be a really interesting storyline is huge, but it makes me really nervous because it could go so wrong...

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  18. I totally agree with you!

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  19. Thank you for a fine review, Lisa. What a relief to find a cogent and positive review from a contributor to this show's site. Quite honestly, I don't get the histrionics of perceived canonical travesties and disillusioned fans flouncing off, declaring themselves "done with Supernatural".

    I loved this episode. In fact, it's one of my top three finales. Great script, such wonderfully paced suspense, a laugh-out-loud moment or two, and a heartbreaking and deeply satisfying scene between the brothers. Carver delivered. In spades.

    Next year, I imagine Sam will have been cleansed of the demon taint, but weakened physically by the ordeal - perhaps permanently. I see his role as more attuned to a Man of Letters next season, while Dean will continue to be a warrior for humankind. Mostly, Dean will remain the touchstone, the moral compass grounding Sam, Castiel and perhaps Kevin. The brothers do indeed have more knowledge and power than they've had in a long while, and they've grown closer than we've ever seen. I can't wait to see what happens next. I so love my Winchester boys!

    Obviously, Castiel will be human, reluctantly learning what is to be on equal footing with Dean and Sam and any other human on the planet. And Crowley...is he partially cured or might he revert to his nasty old self? What about his status as King of Hell? Did Abbadon usurp his throne? I see lots of comedy potential with a very confused, evil-yet-repentant Crowley. And of course, Abbadon, I see her on the level of Azazel or Lilith. A delicious and intriguing new villain!
    The acting was outstanding, the production values amazing, the visual of angels falling to earth...breathtaking. Awesome ending to the season. I absolutely cannot wait until September.

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  20. Yes! Cas and Crowley in the back of the Impala.... LOL!

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  21. Very nice review. I'm looking forward on how the kingdom of hell will turn out. There's still Lucifer and Michael in the pits. Will they be revived next season for a bigger battle against heaven? Some archangels died already in the past seasons so these two great angelic icons are definitely going to be great key players once. Will Abaddon take over Crowley's thone now that his character turned to a bit lighter?



    Now that heaven is the antagonist, will it be possible that yellow eyes' prophecy will come true after all and Sam will use again his demon blood to fight against Metatron? Nah... just messing. :P

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  22. Thanks! And it's nice to see someone so positive about the show. I do think that Carver has brought the brothers closer together than they ever have been too. I suspect his plan was for them to start off a bit rocky, but grow closer as the season went on as they did. I also suspect that we really won't see them at odds next season. Can't wait to see how they handle Cas and Crowley. I really want them to find a way to bring Alaina Huffman back as Abaddon though! I loved her!

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  23. Black In Black Trickster '9517 May 2013 at 07:12

    I'll miss the recaps for a while! :)
    it was midnight when I watched the finale I was too excited, it was fantastic!. When will they show a promo for next season?.
    I said Metraton was probably a good guy, but I was in doubt. Guess he's our underdog big bad, he's right he got the brains, so I hope the boys will blast it out. I believed in Naomi, it was disappointing to see her die like that, she would've been great, but glad we got the help we got from her. She saved Sam's life. I was getting tensed when he was about to do it.
    Sam is very sick, which I think some-one so powerful (e.g death) will repair it. The trial would still be in him I think. As for Crowley, because he is half cured would he change?. The interaction with Sam looks too convincing. I don't think he escaped at that time with the falling angels, so he'll probably give hints to the boys, looks like he'll stick around longer, only if Sam dosen't do it.
    Briefly I had thought it was abaddon, and she was a great evil role.
    I totally felt for Dean!. That was a scary situation at the end and I hope the boys have a hide out plan, and than get fixed up, with Crowley tagging along. By the way, he deserved the punches and hope he'll be good for a little while. But the demons may clash into the angels to get to him, be a surprise for them wouldn't it?.
    I first I was cranky for Cas leaving but then I realized he was trying to stop them. He's gone, but not for good. I believe his stronger powers may be gone, or was that tube had the trial thing in it?. Regardless, he's probably be a little beaten up, so much for family meeting up there.
    The brothers interaction at the end was really insightful. Its rare to see Sam like that but I hope it makes their relationship stronger. I don't care what anyone says, I still think Sam looked but actually couldn't and I think Dean kinda knows that.
    So, all heaven breaks loose and hell's gates will more than likely be a part of next season. It was cruel that Sam was suppose to die all along, so its either he gets drained from it or he have to do it if those angels are technically evil. There may be a few good eggs.
    I think Sheriff is going to be in it next season, Kevin will decipher more of those tablets. That's what the angel tablets could be for, the ultimate weapon for safely closing the gates and shutting off heaven. However, I do think there will be other people helping out, whether its hunters or archangels I see a lot of potential for the next season!.

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  24. Sam was "off" this season for me also, he was doing the trials so Dean would not have to die. He was sure it was a suicide mission and the "so" was perfect.

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  25. I loved this season and it would have been right up there with s4 as a
    favorite IF I had found out why Sam did not look for Dean and the story
    that he did not just never felt true to me and that made Sam be "off"
    all season. With all the comments from Dean and Bobby about that makes
    me think this part of the story is not over. And in Dean's speech to
    Sam about not putting anyone in front I wanted him to say "and I would
    always look for you"...because he would and MY Sam would also. I was crying when Sam went to his confession because I was so hoping this is where we get to find out and since we already know they are not Catholic he did not need a priest, he was talking to God.


    The acting from everyone this ep was award worthy, just to bad not many people got to see it and I have always loved the way this show does not have a problem making fun of that fact. The effects were awesome..as usual. I am very excited about season 9, this will be a LOOOOONNNNNG summer. lol Most of my shows had awesome endings this year, great for the shows, but bad for the fans having to wait so long.


    Supernatural is the only show I watch that the characters are like family and I hurt with them and I tell myself this is not real, get a grip. ;) For me that is hard to do with this show. Think I need HELP??

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  26. Don't quite see why you find these Dean's remarks inappropriate? You think Dean can't love all these characters or what?

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  27. I mean he's been a caring friends/brother to people around him like Sam and Benny, but seems doesn't really care about Cas, when he learn Cas might die for what he's about to do, he just said " E.T. goes home" then drink beer, it's not very consistent to his personality, he was very emotional when Sam and Benny is in danger, but he's cool with it when it's Cas.

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  28. Maybe because there's not a whole lot he can do about it? And Castiel is willingly making the decision to go into a situation where death might be a certainty? Really, what can he do at this point? He knows Castiel understands what may happen but it's his only choice because he thinks it's the only way to get Heaven in order. Not that I'm saying Dean's characterization hasn't been schizo this season, but how else could he respond?

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  29. Agree. And when in that episode Dean talks about E.T. he doesn't mean any sarcasm, he just cracks one of his silly reference jokes, and feels disappointed that Cas doesn't get it (as usual). Besides, let's not forget that Dean was beaten by Cas almost to death. I know, Dean doesn't mind a bit of a brawl now and then, but being unable to protect himself he had to plead Cas to spare him. It's humiliating to be beaten by a friend, so I wouldn't be surprised if Dean now is not very warm to Cas.

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  30. I think Dean understands that Cas wasn't in control - that it was Naomi making him beat him just as Lucifer made Sam beat him. I don't think Dean holds that against Cas at all - look at how he got him to stop - "We're family." And I do agree that the ET crack was just Dean's way of deflecting how much he was going to miss Cas...

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  31. I think he cares very deeply for Cas - look at what he did for him in Purgatory. The ET comment was just Dean's way of deflecting when he feels something very deeply. He's warning Cas that he may get killed if he does this. But he also respects Cas as a fellow warrior. He knows Cas is going to do this regardless of the personal cost. I think it was actually a bit of personal growth for Dean to let both Sam and Cas do what they had to in order to serve the greater good.

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  32. I suppose you're 100% correct in your interpretation. But only if it were me I couldn't forgive that easy. But then, Dean is a hero...
    And all the same, he didn't allow Sam to sacrifice himself for the greater good. Poor Dean, I am afraid, next season it's his turn to be blamed, no?

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  33. Dean forgives anything from those he loves. I'm with you - it would be harder for me to forgive... And I'd have to echo Dean's words to Cas - What show have you been watching? ;) Dean is _always_ blamed for everything and made to seem in the wrong...

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  34. But what would he have done? If he'd said,"Okay, Sammy, do what you have to", there will be one hell of criticism - he let his brother die. Either way is a blind alley, it seems. In Sam's words (to Jimmy, back in season4),"There is no getting out and there's no going home'.

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  35. I agree! Dean is always put in a position where no matter what he does, someone is going to say he's wrong...

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  36. I posted earlier that in Dean's speech to Sam I wanted him to end it with "and I will always look for you".



    This is an ep I will watch over and over..

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  37. And I will buy the DVD and watch only the gag reel. This season did nothing for me. Most disappointing season finale ever for me. Except that Sam finally apologized to Dean - and yet, still made Dean look like the bad guy...

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  38. Umm.. just completely watching final episode.

    I think I've heard that Carver once said that he was planning to make SPN back to the old time. Do you agree that "sacrifice" was like season 2's final episode? Falling Angels from Heaven and Demons out from the Hell??

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  39. I can see how you could draw that parallel, but I think Angels without their graces aren't going to be much of a threat to anyone... unlike the demons who were.

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  40. Metatron would be the only threat. I assume he's sitting up there in Heaven, alone, eating all the ice cream and enjoying watching whatever he wants on television without fighting for the remote.

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  41. Carver ruined the show in the finale. That brothers's scene was so disgusting it made me puke, specially Sam, so selfish and whinning because Dean dares to have friends. Wtf? Dean always has to sacrifice everyone for Sam, and he isn't allowed to have anybody in his life? Well, after that I won't be watching the show, it's ruined for me.

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  42. I don't think Dean being nice to Cas has to do with being a caretaker. Dean was a caretaker throughout the last half of season 6, and he still had little relationship with Cas.

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  43. He didn't want Cas to go. He also knew that Cas was leaving no matter what. He had cut himself off emotionally because he felt like Cas didn't want to be with him. I thought Dean was pretty mature about the situation.

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  44. That's true for all the characters.

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  45. Totally agree with you, he showed no concern for Cas, like evrything that they went through, their relationship is meaningless, that scene completely cheapen one of the most compelling relationships in TV, Carver ruined everything I liked of the show in this episode

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  46. I'd rather they have someone else if they do a movie. I feel like most of the show's current problems all started with Kripke (bad pacing, codependency, etc.), and some of the strengths are what he might not have done (like Dean being less of a macho stereotype)

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  47. Sam wasn't saying he didn't want Dean to have friends. Sam was saying he felt so worthless that he knew other people were always better for Dean. The scene was based on Sam being sick and near-death, and this bringing up some pain he usually fights. Just last week he told Dean to give Cas a chance. He doesn't want Dean to have zero friends.

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  48. Metatron was in hiding because he thought the archangels were still around. Only when Dean and Sam told him they were gone did he start his plan.

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  49. so that's the writers' problem, they shouldn't put characters they want people to love in situations that no action of that character can make people love him. And besides do we really need to see Sam sacrifice himself again, redundant.

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  50. I just wish Dean had said something, like " you don't have to do this", "Me and Sam can help fix it" etc, instead of being cool about it. " oh, you gonna leave us forever, and very possibly die for it? bye then."

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  51. Actually, _I_ still love Dean - but always making him be the one in the wrong _is_ the writers' problem - totally agree! Also very tired of the Sam sacrificing himself scenario...

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  52. I agree! I'm going to make a confession here - I've never seen ET, but I'm pretty sure that the premise is that ET has to go home or die and that the kid loved him and didn't want him to go, right? So, um, hello - that doesn't draw a parallel to Dean not caring, but to understanding that Cas feels he has to do this.

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  53. Perhaps my response was both poorly worded. I think that Dean will have a lot more sympathy for Cas because he's lost his grace - just as he had sympathy for Anna. At the end of the day, Cas is family - he's like a brother to Dean - and will likely be even more like a brother now that he's essentially human.

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  54. I hope you'll think about giving next season a try. At least Sam _finally_ apologized to Dean...

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  55. And Dean finally had a huge realization as well and one long over due.

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  56. Have to totally disagree.

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  57. Actually, Catholics DO need a priets to receive absolution, which would be the key component here, since that would be the part of Confession where one is cleansed of one's sins, or purified. Yes, Catholics can pray directly to God, even confess their sins directly to God, but the sacrament of Confession is a requirement of the faith, and the absolution comes from a priest. Whether Sam and Dean are Catholic or not doesn't matter in this instance, as non-Catholics can receive the sacrament of confession from a Catholic priest.

    Supernatural is admittedly pretty hazy in its theology (e.g its own special Book of Revelation), but the rituals and devices it uses --exorcism, holy water, rosaries--are Cathlolic. The church in the episode was Catholic--as the partially destroyed crucifix reveals. Consequently, it's not unreasonable to assume that the catholic ritual of confession is what is needed to purify the blood here; indeed, the priest who developed the cleansing ritual seemsd to me to be presented as a Catholic. It does seem unreasonablt ot me to assume that one can purify one's OWN blood within the framework of the supernatural world as presented in this show. But then, this whole episode seemed pretty sloppy to me, so it's not surprising they'd fudge this, too.

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  58. That scene had NOTHING to do w/Sam being mad that Dean has friends. It wasn't about Sam whining or being selfish.



    The scene was about Sam feeling bad about the ways in which he has failed Dean. That's what the scene was about. Sam said his greatest sin was the number of times he's failed Dean. Sam isn't upset that Dean has friends. Sam hates that he's screwed up so much and in so many ways that Dean doesn't reach out to him like Sam reaches out to Dean. Dean ALWAYS has Sam's back. Sam wanted to be good enough in Dean's eyes for Dean to feel like Sam has his back too. He wants to be a better brother to Dean, and not so Dean doesn't befriend anyone else, but so Dean feels like he can count on Sam.



    The scene was important b/c it showed that Sam feels he's been a horrible brother to Dean. He feels he's failed Dean at every turn, and that's what upsets him.

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  59. Exactly.



    Sam wasn't saying he didn't want Dean to have friends. The scene was about how Sam felt about himself. He feels he's been a bad brother. He doesn't feel worthy. Sam mentioned Cas and Benny only to highlight that he's been such a horrible brother that Dean turns to supernatural creatures over him. Sam, clearly, desires to be a better brother. He wants to be someone in whom Dean has confidence and faith.



    Sam wasn't blaming Dean in the scene or accusing Dean of anything. He was just expressing how he feels about himself and what type of brother he's been.

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  60. Yes, I think the scene would have been even more powerful if we had seen Sam's actual confession. We should have gotten that scene as well.

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  61. But why would Dean assume he'd never see Cas again if Cas went to Heaven? Cas ditched Dean at the end of S5 too. I don't know. I wouldn't expect Dean to get weepy or sentimental over Cas returning to Heaven.

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  62. Failing someone isn't a sin. Fucking a demon, on the other hand, now THAT'S a sin, and an extremely serious one. Just because you feel guilty about something doesn't make it a sin. Again, what constitutes confession and purification was just really confused in this episode. They invoked the idea without really giving it any coherent meaning.

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  63. Hey . . . It's what Sam wanted to confess, so in his eyes, that's the sin he wanted to confess. It worked to create a great brother moment or "broment."

    This was the only redeeming moment of the episode for me. I'm sure Sam spoke about sleeping w/Ruby as one of the ways in which he's let down Dean. Who knows? They didn't bother to show us the confession so we can only guess as to what Sam actually said and how much detail he provided.

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  64. Oh . . . is this your way of saying you disagree w/me?



    I'm not sure I understand your response. Do you disagree that Sam confessed to failing Dean or what? What are you trying to say?

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  65. I don't recall him seeming too upset. I guess I'll have to watch it again and pay more attention this time around :-)

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  66. if Dean get frustrated with Cas and decide he's no longer a friend, that would make sense, but I can almost certain assure you that in the future at some point Dean would bring up this "We are family" crap again, while he basically being a Jerk to Cas most of the days, except when they are in purgatory, and I don't know why is that

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  67. That is what Sam does all the time, after a while I start to wonder why he keeps doing stupid things that he needs to apologize for.

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  68. Don't remember what ep or even what brought it up, but I think it was Dean that told Sam, we're not Catholic.

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  69. Sam should remember the old saying Actions speak louder than words. He tells Dean he is sorry, over and over and over..so change your actions.

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  70. over and over again.

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  71. That's what he was trying to do w/the trials. He can't change the past.

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  72. I don't think we had to infer it. Metatron was hiding. Metatron had no idea who Sam and Dean were, and he asked about the archangels guarding Heaven. He seemed shocked that Gabriel, Michael, Raphael, were all gone.


    I agree with you that Metatron's story was not well-planned, but this part made sense to me.

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  73. Just look at his face after he says the ET line. It's the classic "Dean's upset but trying to hide it" face.

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  74. I know I'm in the minority here. I just hated most of what was done in season 5, even if I liked some episodes. The codependency, the killing of so many characters, the constant misery and angst that was never properly dealt with (especially with Dean and Sam), etc.

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  75. We don't know what he actually said to the priest. We just know what he said to Dean in hurt and anger.

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  76. He didn't say anything to any priest, which is one of my complaints with the whole confession aspect of the story. He just went off by himself and thought about whatever bad things he deemed sins. Not how confession works.

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  77. Doesn't matter. You don't have to be Catholic to go to confession.

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  78. Why do you think they don't have their grace? They were expelled from heaven by a spell. I thought Naomi said "like Lucifer", who of course still had his powers.... at least until Michael cast him into Hell.

    Only Castiel had his grace removed before he was "sent back to earth" to live a human life. I believe the angels might still have their powers, just not their wings. My guess is they lost their wings so they can't get back into heaven.

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  79. I did watch it again . . . thanks to YT. I


    'm not saying Dean is thrilled that Cas is possibly going off to die, but he really doesn't seem overly upset to me. I wasn't expecting Dean to talk Cas out of his decision or anything. It's Cas's life. If he's willing to die to fix Heaven, then I think Dean would respect that. He would miss his friend, but it would be different than the other times Cas "died." This would have been Cas dying for his people, his world. That is something Dean would definitely respect.

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  80. It does if you are not Catholic and want to cut the middle man out and talk directly to God or Jesus. You don't think anyone but Catholics can get forgiveness?

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  81. *sigh* Of course not. But this isn't relaity (assuming any of this stuff really means anything in the real world) but a TV show thast has established its ground rules--in theor,y anyway. The show has repeatedly and explicitly invoked Catholic ritual as the basis for the supernatural powers in the show: rosaries, exorcisms, the use of Latin, for pete's sake. When you talk about confession as a component in a ritual clearly developed on a Cathlic model by a Catholic priest, well, that kinds lays the ground rules for you. Until you decide to ignore them for plot convenience or whatever. If all you have to do to purify your blood is have a little heart to heart with yourself, what's the big deal about it as a step in the ritual?

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  82. Sorry for misunderstanding you. I'd like this to make Dean and Cas equals, no power dynamics either way, but still very close.

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  83. Thanks for listing the names of the people in the FX crew. I appreciate their work but never know who they are. Some of the effects this season, especially the hellhound image of Dean in "Trial and Error", have been amazing. The angels falling was another stunning visual.

    I thought some of the scriptwriting was clumsy, although that's not new for Supernatural, but I liked that we had a finale where no one died or was taken away. I hope we will get everyone on the same page next season, with less angst, really working together.


    I don't know what they're going to do with Crowley, but I won't be surprised if he recovers soon enough and goes back to Hell, to have a fight with Abaddon, with TFW having to clean up the mess. Otherwise he may end up like Spike on Buffy when Spike got the chip and spent all of season 4 whining and pouting. No real interest in seeing that again.


    I hope they will tell a good story out of Cas falling. I think there's all kind of potential in seeing Cas cope with humanity, and how this will affect his relationship with Dean.


    The acting in this episode was incredible. One of the best acted episodes of the show ever.


    I wish Naomi hadn't died.


    I hope Kevin's mother isn't really dead. If she is dead then how will he ever be able to get past Sam and Dean not finishing the trials?

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  84. So are you saying that Sam was NOT trying to cleanse his self by talking to God, since there was not a Priest anywhere in the area. So if there is not a Priest then you are just talking to yourself?

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  85. The problem is that they keep digging in Dean's issues and traumas. If it wasn't enough with his father ingraining in him a sense of self-worthless because he didn't matter, he wasn't worthy as his own person, because in his dad's eyes he was only good to be his brother's guardian. And now Sam guilt tripping him for wanting things for himself, friends, a life, when all Dean has done all his life is sacrificing everything and everyone for his brother, carrying such a burden without complaint. And seeing Dean resigned to it, to not deserve anything, to believe that his own desires and needs come second to his brother, well that was regression to me, that was invalidating his character growth in this season. It was like a slap in the face. So I, personally, can't give it a try.

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  86. But Sam's also saved Dean many times, but Sam wasn't focusing on those times he saved Dean or putting "Humpty Dumpy" back together in the S6 Finale rather than Dean alone ... his sole focus was on the times he failed Dean. (Yes, I agree that it was OOC for Sam to not look but that's the crap that JC fed us, blech).

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  87. You won't find anything about confession in the Bible. It's a Christian ritual invented centuries later. And it requires a priest.

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  88. Sure he was trying to, and the show would have it that he did. Unfortunately, that's bullshit. I'm saying it's not confession in any meaningful sense. Aaaaand, in Supernatural, he pretty much has to be talking to himsef, doesn't he, since God is AWOL?

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  89. As you've said yourself, SPN uses Christian rituals but takes liberties. SPN does not even pretend to follow all the Judeo-Christian rules. "Receiving Absolution" was not a requirement to complete the ritual - how could it be as both Sam and Dean would be considered mass murderers if they confessed to all the "demons" they killed. Few sane priests would give them "Absolution" if Sam/Dean told them the "people" they killed were possessed by demons.

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  90. That's exactly right. ET had to go home as he was dying here and even though the kids were heartbroken they had a find a way to get ET home (they found a way to signal his ship to come back for him. It's a great movie!

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  91. This whole conversation is moot then; Sam confessed in a church and Dean was present. That was one of the conditions of the ritual and the other was consecrated ground. No one expects SPN to rigorously adhere to any religious doctrine. Heck, SPN has presented most non-judeo/Christian gods as cannibals and most angels as d*cks - SPN is an equal opportunity religion offender (*g*).

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  92. I love the old character of Sam and when I am complaining about him, of course I know it is the writers/showrunners that have messed him up so badly. I will say though that Jared has done some super acting with this OOC character and I LOVED the putting back together ep, but for me not looking for Dean is unforgivable with just the "ran, hit dog, met girl" reason.

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  93. LOL, the bonus material on the disk are worth the price, loved all the things about Heaven, Hell, souls, Purgatory, Angels, Demons and how much a soul weighs.

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  94. So purifying your blood merely requires you to go into a little room by yourself and get all melancholy about what a bad brother you are, then? Sorry, but that's lame.

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  95. If we have to read between the lines--drawing conclusions Metatron not knowing who Sam and Dean are (so he says; can we really be sure, after the fact, that he wasn't lying, given that he turns out to have his own secret agenda?), not knowing the archangels are gone (so he says; can we really be sure, after the fact, that he wasn't lying, given that he turns out to have his own secret agenda?)--then inferring is exactly what we are doing.

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  96. We're in agreement about the killing of hosts. What would you have Sam do to "purify his blood", then - and don't say Sam had to confess to a priest because we know that ain't happening. Crawl over hot coals saying "Forgive me, Dean for how I have offended thee"? Pluck his eyes out, scourge his flesh ?

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  97. I don't see us as having to infer that he wasn't lying about any of the above. I tend to believe that he genuinely was hiding, because if he had a secret agenda to take over Heaven, he could have done that in season 7, when it seemed to be in complete chaos. I guess we can see to disagree.

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  98. Are these bonus materials going to be on S8 set or were they on the S7 set (I haven't cracked open my S7 Blue Rays yet - I've been re-watching my Amazon downloads)?

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  99. Yeah I agree whole heartedly, rehabber, but we can't do anything about it. My guess is that JC felt he had screwed the pooch with Sam's character, didn't want to "fix" it with a "supernatural interference" and sat down to write what Sam would say to Dean about what he had confessed and he actually did incorporate Sam's feeling like he had let Dean down over and over again, from his POV, and Sam has actually sort of told Dean these things in the past but framed a little differently.
    His "So?" meant to me, he *knew* he was going to die and accepted it, as long as he could accomplish this one last undertaking, without screwing up "this" time" .

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  100. They were spread out over the seasons, not all at once. I will buy it also, but will wait until someone puts it on sale or I can pick up a used set from half.com. This will be a big change for me as I want it the day it comes out, but not this season. If you want me to I will check and see what is on what season.

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  101. How the hell did Sam make Dean look like the bad guy? Because he finally poured his heart out about he feels? And he finally apologized to him? How many TIMES has Sam apologized to Dean over the years? I'm sorry, but that's crap. For the first time in YEARS, we finally got to hear and see how Sam felt, and how all the nasty things Dean has said to him over the years truly does affect him even though he acts like it doesn't. What about your precious, perfect, can-do-no-wrong Dean saying that Sam needed a chaperone? Dean telling Sam that Benny was a better brother to him than Sam ever was? Dean telling him that he didn't believe in him? I mean the list just goes on and on, that I don't even have time to bring up all the crap Dean has said to him that was cruel and uncalled for. Why is it you Dean girls always refuse to see the wrongdoings that Dean has done? You refuse to see them, acknowledge them because you run around crying to the tops of your lungs that Dean is a damn saint and Sam is the bad brother and a bad person. At least I'm one of those people who can accept the fact that Sam has flaws and has made mistakes and done some fucked up shit as well as openly admit it. But when it comes to Dean it's "Oh poor Dean! Sam treats him like shit! Sam doesn't appreciate him! Sam lies to him! Sam never apologizes to him! Blah blah blah." Yeah, that's bullshit. Complete and utter bullshit.

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  102. I wouldn't expect it either. After all, Castiel isn't his lover (like SOME people want him to be) and Dean doesn't fall off the deep end when Castiel isn't there either. He's survived just fine without him more times than I can count. He's not dying without Cas there.

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  103. Are... you... serious? Completely ignorant, childish comments like this make me want to puke. You clearly misinterpreted the entire scene.

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  104. I still can't get over this "Sam finally apologized to Dean" stuff because that's all Sam ever DOES is apologize to Dean. What show have you been watching?

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  105. He didn't say that it was his only sin he confessed. He said it was his "greatest sin" which for all we know when Sam went to confession, he confessed every wrong thing he's ever done, every sin he's ever committed and every single time he's screwed up, without even meaning to. But you see, we don't know this because they didn't actually give us a confession scene with Sam, so we don't know at all what he said.

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  106. God may be AWOL from the angels and Heaven, but that doesn't mean he still can't hear prayer and confessions.

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  107. I'm starting to think it's more you crazy, obsessive Dean girls or Sam haters who hold the grudges rather than Dean himself. Wow.

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  108. Well, first off, I don't think that how he feels about Dean ought to have anything to do with it. I had enough of the brother angst a long time ago.


    Given that Sam being tainted by demon blood has been a major through line for the run of the show, him being able to purify himself by going off into a corner for a while and feeling sorry pretty much cheapens the whole thing. Why not just do that, oh, say, five seasons ago? That would have solved a lot of problems. Given that the show chose confession as the path to purification (not a particularly good choice, really; confession has nothing to do with the blood), though, the least they could have done is make it mean something more than "waah! what a bad brother I've been! waaaah!"


    I don't know, how about some sort of potion to purify the blood, a la the cure for vampirism? Or pure blood from somebody else? (Seriously, how do you purify demon-tainted blood with a dose of angst?) Or just make it so that the first two trials were the cause of the purification--Sam actually said he felt like the trials were purifying him, a few episodes back, but they just left that dangling to drag in this lame-ass confession shtick. . . . That'd have made more sense to me than the "waah! waah! I'm a bad brother!" baloney. You know how not to be a bad brother? stop making the same bad decisions over and over and over again, instead of making them and having an angst-out about it every season or so.

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  109. I don't hate Sam, I hate what the writers have done to him this season and it is still true that Sam is always telling Dean.."I'm sorry". After a while I reach the point so stop doing things you will need to be sorry for.

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  110. Oh man you don't know how much I agree with this..The way to keep from saying I'm sorry is not do the things to be sorry for. EASY. But then the show might end up boring and I do love most of the Sam screw-ups, just not the one this season...not looking for Dean just does not work for me.

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  111. I find your reply here quite offensive. Please review the code of conduct for this site.

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  112. I could say the same to you.

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  113. Lol! Well, that's at the more civil end of the spectrum, so let's go with that!

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  114. If he thinks his greatest sin is letting his brother down, he has no concept of what sin even means.

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