Peggy Carter returns to "Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D." with a special guest appearance in the second season's eighth episode, plus Grant Ward and his Senator brother "enjoy" a family reunion!
"The Things We Bury" - Coulson and team find themselves in an epic face-off against Hydra to uncover an ancient secret, while Ward kidnaps his brother, Senator Christian Ward, for a violent trip down memory lane, on "Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.," Tuesday, November 18 (9:00-10:00 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network.
"Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D." stars Clark Gregg as Director Phil Coulson, Ming-Na Wen as Agent Melinda May, Brett Dalton as Grant Ward, Chloe Bennet as Agent Skye, Iain De Caestecker as Agent Leo Fitz, Elizabeth Henstridge as Agent Jemma Simmons and Nick Blood as Lance Hunter.
Guest starring are B.J. Britt as Agent Antoine Triplett, Adrianne Palicki as Bobbi Morse, Henry Simmons as Alphonso "Mack" Mackenzie, Reed Diamond as Daniel Whitehall/Werner Reinhardt, Tim Dekay as Senator Christian Ward, Kyle MacLachlan as The Doctor, Hayley Atwell as Agent Peggy Carter, Simon Kassianides as Sunil Bakshi, Lou Ferrigno Jr. as Agent Hauer, Al Coronel as Agent Rivera, Dichen Lachman as young woman, Eijiro Ozaki as prisoner, Alexander Leeb as scientist and Willem Van Der Vegt as officer.
"The Things We Bury" was written by DJ Doyle and directed by Milan Cheylov.
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Oh Grant, no. I'm not sure who this is going to end badly for but I hope it's that abusive piece of shit, Christian. And for fandom to stop accusing his victim of lying about his abuse. Grant's memories of the well were brought out by Asgardian magic! Abusers lie and manipulate all the time in real life.
ReplyDeleteScared for this one.
I guess we're finally going to know who's telling the truth, Ward or his brother. Can hardly wait for some real answers regarding Ward.
ReplyDeleteAgent Carter=flashback which will link to the modern day
ReplyDeleteThe thing is, how is this a good storyline for Ward? He kidnaps his brother? Yeah, this is going to improve his reputation and earn redemption. I really had high hopes for Ward's redemption storyline now I'm just really wishing I'd walked away from AoS when they turned him into a traitor to earn higher ratings.
ReplyDeleteRedemption isn't supposed to be easy. It has to be long and painful and hard. This is just the beginning. Grant has to earn it despite some missteps along the way and he will get there eventually. I know it's hard to wait and we sink into the pit of despair after each other but be patient. It'll happen.
ReplyDeleteWard may have killed those SHIELD agents when he escaped in the last episode (unless he was using an icer, which is unclear right now). And he wasn't acting under Garrett's influence this time. That was all Grant. If they're dead, I think any chance he had of redemption is pretty much gone.
ReplyDeleteNah, I don't think they're dead (I rewatched that last scene and it was unclear where he actually shot the one). And I'm not completely on board with the theory yet but I think it's viable Coulson had a hand in escape because those were some basic handcuffs (and Grant and May both got the fancy high-tech ones last season so he definitely didn't underestimate him).
ReplyDeleteI hate to have to agree, but yeah, this.
ReplyDeleteI don't see how or why Coulson would allow Ward to escape, but there's some wiggle room here, so we can't be sure. If, in the next ep, those agents are roughed up, but still alive, then I might have some hope for Ward. But if they're dead, then I think there's only one way this can end for him.
ReplyDeleteFor higher ratings? If you watch the interview they all had last week you will see that all the marvel directors producers and writers said that they already planned from the start before the first ever episode that grant ward was hydra. Of course they never told the cast but it was already planned. Before filming the first AoS episode the script and most of the shooting for the winter soldier was done, so they knew how to tie it all together. The point is they didnt do it fo higher ratings, he was always meant to be a traiter.
ReplyDeleteThose guys that failed to keep Grant imprisoned weren't SHIELD agents, they were FBI. I think Grant did indeed kill the agent, but I believe he did it because he didn't want to play the part Christian reserved for him.
ReplyDeleteAnd it says here that Grant kidnapped him but it doesn't say who it turns violent for - maybe he freezes up (he was terrified every time Christian's name was brought up last episode) and Christian turns the tables. That'd hurt but it's definitely plausible too.
ReplyDeleteRedemption is a long road.
ReplyDeleteExactly! Like Natasha burned down an entire children's ward at a hospital and she's gotten her redemption (still want the movie soon, though). We're just at the beginning with Grant.
ReplyDeleteOh Snap. Looking forward to this Episode.
ReplyDeletePeggy carter!! I wonder what they are going to get this time another alien artifact more Peggy is always welcome .
ReplyDeleteBlah more ward the son of bitch proves he's the worst of the worst.Both wards look like psychopaths.
YAY! Peggy!!!
ReplyDeleteI thought Bobbi was gonna be on of those characters that pops up for 1 or 2 episodes every so often and they would do it under the guise of "on assignment or a mission". But this makes it 4 straight episodes.
ReplyDeleteAnd that should absolve him of killing that guy?
ReplyDeleteYay Peggy Carter!!
ReplyDeleteAnother episode that sounds like a lot of shit will go down! I'm absolutely loving how much episodes like this we have had this season. So excited to see Peggy again (I love her so much) and hopefully Grant will beat the shit out of his abusive brother, Christian for all the damage he has done to him.
ReplyDeleteShe is probably like Trip and Mack have been so far this season, regulars in all but names. If the show gets a S3 should could become one properly.
ReplyDeleteHell yeah Peggy Carter
ReplyDeleteI think he will kidnep his brother to prove he was telling the truth because psycopaths tend to show their real face when they think they are alone with their victim!
ReplyDeleteThis is a TV show, not real life. We weren't given a single bit of character development to remotely empathize with his death and, as such, that guy is a random nobody I could care less if he lives or dies. He's a "stormtrooper", for all intents and purposes. Same thing with the guards of the Fridge, Thomas Nash and most of the other people he killed. It's for no other reason that, of all the crimes he did, Coulson only ever uses Victoria Hand and Eric Koenig's deaths and Fitz's brain damage to justify his handling of Ward: those are the people that matter to the audience.
ReplyDeleteAnd not even those deaths hold that much weight when all is said and done! If we were suddenly presented a storyline where Ward moves heaven and hell to find a cure for Fitz's condition, acquires it and heals him to his former glory, the general audience would recognize his efforts and his slate would, for all intents and purposes, be cleaned for them, the deaths becoming a long distant memory. This, in fact, is a Whedon trope: you can find quite a few examples in his shows.
Can i ask why everyone is so irked out by Ward being bad?
ReplyDeleteI think its great that the AOS writers have been writing such unpredictable storylines for Ward instead of keeping him one dimensional
Yeah, I desperately need BJ, Henry, and Adrianne to become regulars.
ReplyDeleteBrett did say in that EW interview that this isn't an typical redemption arc so I'm looking forward to it.
ReplyDeleteThank god, I don't follow AoS boards, I enjoy Ward's twisting storyline very much. And I appreciate very much that even after this much time we can't tell how much can we believe his words. Regarding Sky I think he is honest that he doesn't lie to her, but aside from this his character brings the best kind of unpredictability into the show.
ReplyDeleteEh, this is a Whedon show, regulars in all but names are quite common in them, as Amber Benson and Andy Hallett can tell you (ok, 'could' in the latter's case).
ReplyDeleteI'm still not over them putting Amber's name in the credits the same episode she was killed. So rude.
ReplyDeleteMore Peggy Carter, awesome! I wonder what we'll see in additional flashbacks to the 40's.
ReplyDeleteSo Dichen Lachman of Dollhouse fame is in this one... Six Degrees of Whedon continues.
Grant Ward is still doing what Coulson said he will have to do in the finale, namely find out who he truly is out from under the command and tyranny of superior officers and family-figures. Obviously, going down memory lane and settling this with his brother will be part of that. Redemption is, as someone said below, a long road. That is most certainly true in TV-Land and especially true in show's of Whedonverse. Using Buffy and Angel as a reference point, many of the redemptive heroes slipped along the way to their eventual redemption. He murdered a lot of people and did a lot of horrible things. It would be cheap if he was swiftly forgiven. No, he needs to go down this path and go on this journey. It's instrumental for us as much as them. We need to sympathise with him again, and this storyline with his brother has started to do that for me. And I think the fact we saw no shots fired in his escape says volumes. Until it's shown otherwise, I am of the belief that, for the first time, he managed to stop himself from pulling the trigger...
ReplyDeletePeggy! And Dichen Lachman is back on my screen! On a side note, I'd love for Ward and his brother to be Evil Douchebags together. (I'd also laugh for ages if it turned out that Ward was lying and Christian told the truth. A mastyerful example of How I Conned the Fandom.)
ReplyDeleteWard being revealed as a traitor had nothing to do with trying to get higher ratings (unless you mean trying to make the show good which, among other things, is for the purpose of getting higher ratings). Hydra infiltrating SHIELD was an MCU plot point they'd planned before AoS had even premiered. They've often said that AoS, instead of having the big scope of action and effects we see in the movies, tells the smaller, more personal stories of MCU characters. This was a perfect example of that: after learning that Hydra, the organization at large, had been part of SHIELD for all of those decades, we learn that there's a traitor in Coulson's team, the people we had been following all along in the series. It was, in most people's opinion, a brilliant move that made the stakes much more personal and propelled the series forward.
ReplyDeleteAgree, i don't get why people don't like him as a bad guy. Oh wait. i guess it's because they want romance bullshit with Skye...
ReplyDeleteI feel like this epi is going to be really good. Can't wait!
ReplyDeleteI think he will come out ok on this. We as viewers needed to see his backstory. This allows us in. We will also gain insight into how evil his brother is. For all we know, he could be the actual head of Hydra, the puppeteer, so to speak.
ReplyDeleteAlways here for more Agent Carter.
ReplyDelete"Ward kidnaps his brother, Senator Christian Ward, for a violent trip down memory lane."
Damn Ward, you aren't exactly a bastion of great ideas, are you? This will end well....
Oh man Ijust saw the guest star list Dichen Lachman please let her stay for a few more eEPs hopefully its not a 1 and done role.
ReplyDeleteSo the guy being an anonymous redshirt means Ward can murder him and not be held accountable. That's not how it works. Not knowing anything about the guy doesn't make killing him any less of a crime than what Ward did to Koenig and Hand. It's still murder.
ReplyDeleteI don't see people holding Fitz accountable for mudering an unconscious - read "defenseless" - henchman in season 1 nor Simmons for pretty much killing her amoral but innocent fellow scientist two episodes ago, so yeah, this kill will be forgotten among the many other randoms he did.
ReplyDeleteYou'd seriously laugh if it turns out the writers used an abuse storyline to bait the audience and then have it all be a lie? Disgusting. It's not like RL abuse survivors who tell about their abuse have to struggle against the attitude that they're lying or anything....
ReplyDeleteYes, I'd laugh, because this is a TV show and the idea that the writers managed to con most of the fandom is amusing to me. In real life, no, because I'm a lawyer and the presumption is that the victim is telling the truth, and the burden of proof lies on the abuser, not the victim. Or at least such a presumption exists where I live.
ReplyDeleteGross. It doesn't matter that this is a TV show - that would send the wrong message. And a lot of abuse survivors who watch the show identify with Ward and want to see him get help.
ReplyDeleteBut it's a big problem that people believe abusers over their victims in real life and the victim blaming I've seen going on since last week? Completely unacceptable.
The only person Fitz "murdered" in season one (and it was never clear if the guy was actually dead or not) was the Hydra agent that was about to shoot May in the back. That's like a police officer shooting a dangerous criminal in the line of duty. The unconscious man in T.R.A.C.K.S. Fitz shot with an icer, so he'd be fine in a few hours.
ReplyDeleteAnd Simmons framed a guy who was celebrating the potential murder of billions of people to maintain her cover. She didn't actually kill anyone.
There's a difference between doing what Fitz and Simmons did, and Ward shooting SHIELD agents in the back of the head, dumping them out of a plane, etc. A BIG difference.