Wow. This looks amazing. It's amazing Regina found her good magic. But now I'm curious were will this take the final. Will Zelena cast a curse again? And so I think the baby is either Dorothy or Ozma.
What if this is misdirection? Perhaps a dream sequence, a possibility which doesn't get executed, etc, and shows up early on in the episode? Seems like there is something more going on. So I say "trick."
I mean, not only did it manage to spoil that the baby is a boy, it also managed to spoil that they (temporarily) stop Zelena, Rumple is free again AND Regina takes off the necklace with light magic instead of Emma. So pretty much everything the season has been leading up to :O
yeah, if this isn't some sort of trick or dream sequence made by zelina, they have just showed us the season "conclusion"... Somebody is most deff getting fired for this..
I feel bad for the writers. They couldn't possibly have wanted for this to be released. It's most likely THE big showdown moment of the entire episode. ABC is doing them such a disservice with their promotion. When it's not completely biased it's amateurish like this.
But wow, Regina. I was so giddy when when she could do light magic and blast Zelena away. Zelena so had it coming and it's about time others try to tell Regina who she is. It's like she said. She decides her own fate now. It's hard for Rumple to understand now because he is still hurting so much after the less of his son, but I think she was right when she said that it has to end here too. Zelena would have deserved to die, but not like this. Not for Rumple to give in to to darkness again and act out of vengeance.
But it's only episode 3.20. They still have the two hour season finale and I don't think we have seen the last of the Witch. So they might create a situation that'll still lead to Zelena's death.
I don't really get Rumple's "she killed my son" line. Did Neal not make multiple choices on his own and was only manipulated/provided with the information? That same logic makes Rumple responsible for everything he manipulated characters into doing.
But that's exactly why Regina is stepping in. Because she knows exactly how it feels and she knows better than anyone that vengeance doesn't give you what you want, doesn't make you happy either. If anything it'll only make things worse for Rumple because he will give in to darkness again and that's not what Bae would have wanted for him at all.
Technically speaking, Zelena didn’t kill Neal. She provided him with information he needed to resurrect his father, and he really should have known better than to expect that one could bring another from the dead without paying the ultimate price. I’m not trying to justify anything Zelena did nor am I saying that nobody in Rumple’s place would want to exact revenge. All I’m saying is, while she did manipulate Neal to do what she wanted, she didn’t kill him, and, frankly, Rumple manipulated, hurt, and killed so many people to get what he wanted that this is just hypocritical of him...
But could I suggest kind of a "MASSIVE SPOILER ALERT"'?
This isn't exactly the "regular spoiler" they are used to release, so I think it would be nicer if there could me more of a strong warning so that people can have a choice before clicking on play.
If people want to be absurdely spoiled, they will press enter. Those who came looking for a normal spoiler but don't want the episode to be "ruined" can decide on not clicking.
I, for instance, would have clicked anyway, but many people will be bummed if they found about THAT before the episode airs.
Precisely. Even if there is some great twist that comes after that, I’m not sure I would have watched this video if I realized just how big of a spoiler it was going to be.
And, interestingly enough, she tries to do for him what he tried to do for her after Cora’s death: “Why don't you just give up this obsession with vengeance? You know it can never make you happy. You had a whole curse worth of vengeance, and what did it get you? A gaping hole in your heart.”
I wonder if the focus on saving the baby is a misdirect on the scale of Arrow/Moira Queen. If so, I'm skerd. Aside from that...Regina & white magic...I ship it.
IMO, there will be some Cora talk before Zelena wanders off. One of the things she has to understand is Regina's life wasn't exactly a walk on the park and Cora was certainly not the mother she would have hoped for. Maybe this way she can move on with her life, instead of dying.
When you put someone in a position of having to choose between dying or killing/severely injuring someone else, you can absolutely call it murder. And, yes, Rumple did the same thing time and again (which is btw why so many fans, Regina fans to be exact, were mad at the fandom's reactions towards Rumple, because he kept getting away with his actions since "all he did" was put characters in a position of impossible options).
seriously? Rumple is a man who’s been imprisoned and made a slave for an entire year, dehumanized and treated like a literal “doll,” harassed continuously by a woman psychotically obsessed with him, and forced to watch his son die in front of him. The son he spent three centuries trying to get to. And according to you should be quiet and peaceful? I'm sorry, but no.
Probably Rumple will not kill Zelena, but if it does, would do well :)
Regina can say what he wants, but I am 100% sure that if she were in place of Rumple, she would destroyed Zelena....
I'm not sure why you take this so personal, but maybe I'm misinterpreting your post. But I never said he should be quiet and peaceful. His reaction is perfectly understandable, but it doesn't change the fact that killing Zelena won't help him in the long run and someone who has been in the same position, who has killed out of a desire for personal vengeance before and was left with nothing but emptiness and darkness afterwards still, can relate to that and still mean well with Rumple here. Regina isn't doing this to begrudge Rumple something. She's trying to help him. And like some else already said: Rumple has done a very similar thing before when she was in the position of having lost someone she loved and the desire to give in to darkness and vengeance took over again.
From the moment Rumple returned to the world of living, Neal was already dead (in the sense that his fate was determined, obviously), and the choice to take the risk was Neal’s, despite Belle’s warnings. I don’t think Neal would have changed his choice with more information; in fact, Neal said to Emma when she didn’t want to separate him from his father that they needed Rumple more than they needed him to survive, so saying that it’s Zelena’s fault that he’s dead belittles his sacrifice. If anyone else presented him with the same information, Neal’s choices in all likelihood would be the same. As for Rumple, he didn’t have any say in the matter. He was put in a tragic situation where there was nothing he could do to save his son because even the option he decided on only lead to both of them suffering and none of them being able to actually live.
Well, I don't agree. I think Neal did sacrifice himself, yes, which was noble of him, but I still think it was Zelena's fault. Why? Because there would be no sacrificing to be done had she not interfered. This is the same logic as state of need. Why do we not punish someone who let's someone else die due to state of need? Because no one is required to be a hero. Neal WAS a hero, he decided his life was worth giving up to save other people. But someone is still accountable for making him have to be a hero.
And I'm not in any way saying Rumple is to be blamed in this specific situation. He was a victim here just as much as anyone else, but he is to be blamed for what happened in several other situations throughout the story, situations which fans are kinda quick to forget about.
As for what you said about Rumple, I agree wholeheartedly: he is blameless in that particular situation but guilty of causing similar situations in the past. What I have a problem with is blaming Neal’s death on Zelena because I still think he would have done the same thing even without her interference, as he came back to Rumple’s castle determined to find a way to bring his father back regardless of the consequences. But I get your point – she presented him with the means to do it, and at least part of his reasoning was a direct response to her putting his loved one in danger, hence the sacrifice.
Of course, I could be wrong. They might want to forget their sister show, so skip Jafar. And they might think the Sheriff was used, albeit briefly, before and they don't find his story interesting to continue.
This comment is quite ironic considering how Rumple has treated many characters in the past very very similarly to how Zelena treated him. And, considering Regina HAS been in the EXACT same place as Rumple, where she watched her mother get murdered by Snow because of Rumple, and she didn't kill Snow that's a pretty hard call to make. Interestingly enough, Rumple was incredibly condescending to Regina when she was in a similar situation.
I don't really agree that Zelena murdered him, there's a responsibility level, but Neal DEFINITELY very clearly made all his own choices. Though that's beside the point I'm trying to make, which is that Rumple is being a his usual hypocritical self. He'd never take any blame for manipulating all these women, I mean, hell, he won't even apologize to his girlfriend for all the horrific things he's done to her.
Well considering Michael Socha is joining the show next season as a regular and reprising his role as Will / Knave, I very much doubt they they want to forget their sister show.
Maybe this is, the sneek peak for the finale. He said it was an unsanctioned portion of AN episode. Your correct they still have to lead us to at some cliffhanger that will set us up for the season 4. And maybe Zelena will die. Bae is supposed to come back, right? Something has to be put in motion. Maybe Zelena as an act of revenge willl mange to kidnap the baby and head out to another world? or maybe like you said the writers will still kill her off.
I'm sorry, I'm not hater to Rumple or Regina but.....How do you give the hypocrite to Rumple, when if Regina was at her place and Henry had died, Zelena would be no head? o.o (And in that case, who cares of their victims?)
Looks like they spoiled an important part of the episode... not like that one time hulu released an entire episode of Marvel's Agents of Shield hours before the airing time. ABC should be more careful with these things. I smell that someone else is been fired. Just saying
Can't find the tweet. Found his official twitter account but this tweet is not there. Looks like he deleted this tweet. I am even wondering if this a fake. There is no time stamp? I don't think Adam Horowitz has responded to the leaked sneak peek.
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That's a long sneak peak. Looks great !
ReplyDeleteSex of baby was revealed in promotional pictures some time ago.
ReplyDeleteWow. This looks amazing. It's amazing Regina found her good magic. But now I'm curious were will this take the final. Will Zelena cast a curse again?
ReplyDeleteAnd so I think the baby is either Dorothy or Ozma.
They showed the package but that could've been edited out. This definitely uses the pronoun. LOL
ReplyDeleteSomeone's getting fired for releasing this as a sneak peek...
ReplyDeleteExactly what I think xD
ReplyDeleteI did not hear everything, where they mentionned the baby is a boy?
ReplyDeleteWhat if this is misdirection? Perhaps a dream sequence, a possibility which doesn't get executed, etc, and shows up early on in the episode? Seems like there is something more going on. So I say "trick."
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ReplyDeleteI mean, not only did it manage to spoil that the baby is a boy, it also managed to spoil that they (temporarily) stop Zelena, Rumple is free again AND Regina takes off the necklace with light magic instead of Emma. So pretty much everything the season has been leading up to :O
ReplyDeleteThat's precise xD Thanks you :)
ReplyDeleteAnytime :)
ReplyDeleteI say add it to the long list of ABC PR screwups for this show.
ReplyDeleteyeah, if this isn't some sort of trick or dream sequence made by zelina, they have just showed us the season "conclusion"... Somebody is most deff getting fired for this..
ReplyDeletePossible, too.
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ReplyDeleteI feel bad for the writers. They couldn't possibly have wanted for this to be released. It's most likely THE big showdown moment of the entire episode. ABC is doing them such a disservice with their promotion. When it's not completely biased it's amateurish like this.
ReplyDeleteBut wow, Regina. I was so giddy when when she could do light magic and blast Zelena away. Zelena so had it coming and it's about time others try to tell Regina who she is. It's like she said. She decides her own fate now. It's hard for Rumple to understand now because he is still hurting so much after the less of his son, but I think she was right when she said that it has to end here too. Zelena would have deserved to die, but not like this. Not for Rumple to give in to to darkness again and act out of vengeance.
But it's only episode 3.20. They still have the two hour season finale and I don't think we have seen the last of the Witch. So they might create a situation that'll still lead to Zelena's death.
Delete this video, please.
ReplyDeleteJust don't watch it if you don't want it.
ReplyDeleteTalk about spoilers... XD
ReplyDeleteI don't really get Rumple's "she killed my son" line. Did Neal not make multiple choices on his own and was only manipulated/provided with the information? That same logic makes Rumple responsible for everything he manipulated characters into doing.
ReplyDeleteI think it's too late for that... ;-)
ReplyDeleteThe reaction of Rumple is normal, ANYONE would want to kill her after what she did....It 'a human reaction.
ReplyDeleteRegina, i love you, but I think if Zelena killed Henry before your eyes, you would not have said "Heroes do not kill" (that it is not true) :)
But that's exactly why Regina is stepping in. Because she knows exactly how it feels and she knows better than anyone that vengeance doesn't give you what you want, doesn't make you happy either. If anything it'll only make things worse for Rumple because he will give in to darkness again and that's not what Bae would have wanted for him at all.
ReplyDeleteTechnically speaking, Zelena didn’t kill Neal. She provided
ReplyDeletehim with information he needed to resurrect his father, and he really should
have known better than to expect that one could bring another from the dead
without paying the ultimate price. I’m not trying to justify anything Zelena
did nor am I saying that nobody in Rumple’s place would want to exact revenge.
All I’m saying is, while she did manipulate Neal to do what she wanted, she
didn’t kill him, and, frankly, Rumple manipulated, hurt, and killed so many
people to get what he wanted that this is just hypocritical of him...
Thank you for posting it, guys.
ReplyDeleteBut could I suggest kind of a "MASSIVE SPOILER ALERT"'?
This isn't exactly the "regular spoiler" they are used to release, so I think it would be nicer if there could me more of a strong warning so that people can have a choice before clicking on play.
If people want to be absurdely spoiled, they will press enter. Those who came looking for a normal spoiler but don't want the episode to be "ruined" can decide on not clicking.
I, for instance, would have clicked anyway, but many people will be bummed if they found about THAT before the episode airs.
Precisely. Even if there is some great twist that comes
ReplyDeleteafter that, I’m not sure I would have watched this video if I realized just
how big of a spoiler it was going to be.
Why?
ReplyDeletethis a big spoiler but it was worth it, i love regina being the heroe :)
ReplyDeleteAnd, interestingly enough, she tries to do for him what he tried to do for her after Cora’s death: “Why don't you just give up this obsession with vengeance? You know it can never make you happy. You had a whole curse worth of vengeance, and what did it get you? A gaping hole in your heart.”
ReplyDeleteI wonder if the focus on saving the baby is a misdirect on the scale of Arrow/Moira Queen. If so, I'm skerd. Aside from that...Regina & white magic...I ship it.
ReplyDeletewow, massive spoiler that I kinda wish I hadn't watched, but it certainly wont hurt my enjoyment of the upcoming ep... good stuff
ReplyDeleteIMO, there will be some Cora talk before Zelena wanders off. One of the things she has to understand is Regina's life wasn't exactly a walk on the park and Cora was certainly not the mother she would have hoped for. Maybe this way she can move on with her life, instead of dying.
ReplyDeleteThey really should have saved all of that for the episode.
ReplyDeleteI watched less than half of it and it was still too much for me.
ReplyDeleteI think I'm done with the St. Mary Sue Woegina show
ReplyDeletemaybe he is made this leak and now he trying to fix this
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When you put someone in a position of having to choose between dying or killing/severely injuring someone else, you can absolutely call it murder. And, yes, Rumple did the same thing time and again (which is btw why so many fans, Regina fans to be exact, were mad at the fandom's reactions towards Rumple, because he kept getting away with his actions since "all he did" was put characters in a position of impossible options).
ReplyDeleteEither way, the video is already out there, so what's the point of SpoilerTV deleting it.
ReplyDeleteThe video is still available on Hulu, you would have thought that ABC would've removed it by now.
Accidental leak. I think it was one of the clips ABC posts after the episode.
ReplyDeleteWow, what a great ending! Why the heck would they release this before the episode!?!
ReplyDeleteBabar, no need to delete it, I agree, but it would be nice to add a "MAJOR SPOILERS" warning, wouldn't it?
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/462651142363557888
ReplyDeleteIt's good to know this was a mistake and that the ABC promo department isn't dumb enough to purposely release something like that.
ReplyDeleteAnytime
ReplyDeleteseriously? Rumple is a man who’s been imprisoned and made a slave for an entire year, dehumanized and treated like a literal “doll,” harassed continuously by a woman psychotically obsessed with him, and forced to watch his son die in front of him. The son he spent three centuries trying to get to. And according to you should be quiet and peaceful? I'm sorry, but no.
ReplyDeleteProbably Rumple will not kill Zelena, but if it does, would do well :)
Regina can say what he wants, but I am 100% sure that if she were in place of Rumple, she would destroyed Zelena....
I'm not sure why you take this so personal, but maybe I'm misinterpreting your post. But I never said he should be quiet and peaceful. His reaction is perfectly understandable, but it doesn't change the fact that killing Zelena won't help him in the long run and someone who has been in the same position, who has killed out of a desire for personal vengeance before and was left with nothing but emptiness and darkness afterwards still, can relate to that and still mean well with Rumple here.
ReplyDeleteRegina isn't doing this to begrudge Rumple something. She's trying to help him. And like some else already said: Rumple has done a very similar thing before when she was in the position of having lost someone she loved and the desire to give in to darkness and vengeance took over again.
From the moment Rumple returned to the world of living, Neal
ReplyDeletewas already dead (in the sense that his fate was determined, obviously), and
the choice to take the risk was Neal’s, despite Belle’s warnings. I don’t think
Neal would have changed his choice with more information; in fact, Neal said to
Emma when she didn’t want to separate him from his father that they needed Rumple
more than they needed him to survive, so saying that it’s Zelena’s fault that
he’s dead belittles his sacrifice. If anyone else presented him with the same
information, Neal’s choices in all likelihood would be the same. As for Rumple,
he didn’t have any say in the matter. He was put in a tragic situation where
there was nothing he could do to save his son because even the option he
decided on only lead to both of them suffering and none of them being able to
actually live.
Well, I don't agree. I think Neal did sacrifice himself, yes, which was noble of him, but I still think it was Zelena's fault. Why? Because there would be no sacrificing to be done had she not interfered. This is the same logic as state of need. Why do we not punish someone who let's someone else die due to state of need? Because no one is required to be a hero. Neal WAS a hero, he decided his life was worth giving up to save other people. But someone is still accountable for making him have to be a hero.
ReplyDeleteAnd I'm not in any way saying Rumple is to be blamed in this specific situation. He was a victim here just as much as anyone else, but he is to be blamed for what happened in several other situations throughout the story, situations which fans are kinda quick to forget about.
As for what you said about Rumple, I agree wholeheartedly: he
ReplyDeleteis blameless in that particular situation but guilty of causing similar situations
in the past. What I have a problem with is blaming Neal’s death on Zelena
because I still think he would have done the same thing even without her
interference, as he came back to Rumple’s castle determined to find a way to
bring his father back regardless of the consequences. But I get your point –
she presented him with the means to do it, and at least part of his reasoning
was a direct response to her putting his loved one in danger, hence the
sacrifice.
You're welcome.
ReplyDeletePretty sure the message at the top said spoiler. Do you need *******!!!!!!!*******!!!!***** just read!
ReplyDeleteFor Rumple It’s not vengeance. It’s justice.....
ReplyDeleteOf course, I could be wrong. They might want to forget their sister show, so skip Jafar. And they might think the Sheriff was used, albeit briefly, before and they don't find his story interesting to continue.
ReplyDeleteI'm sure that's not how his victims see that... Sorry, couldn't resist.
ReplyDeleteWe've already seen the Sheriff, in the Enchanted Forest and Storybrooke and he didn't seem all that villainous without his tongue.
ReplyDeleteThis comment is quite ironic considering how Rumple has treated many characters in the past very very similarly to how Zelena treated him. And, considering Regina HAS been in the EXACT same place as Rumple, where she watched her mother get murdered by Snow because of Rumple, and she didn't kill Snow that's a pretty hard call to make. Interestingly enough, Rumple was incredibly condescending to Regina when she was in a similar situation.
ReplyDeleteI don't really agree that Zelena murdered him, there's a responsibility level, but Neal DEFINITELY very clearly made all his own choices. Though that's beside the point I'm trying to make, which is that Rumple is being a his usual hypocritical self. He'd never take any blame for manipulating all these women, I mean, hell, he won't even apologize to his girlfriend for all the horrific things he's done to her.
ReplyDeleteYep and, honestly, a huge part of the fandom is willing to let Rumple be and not call him out on everything he's done...
ReplyDeleteWell considering Michael Socha is joining the show next season as a regular and reprising his role as Will / Knave, I very much doubt they they want to forget their sister show.
ReplyDeleteMaybe this is, the sneek peak for the finale. He said it was an unsanctioned portion of AN episode. Your correct they still have to lead us to at some cliffhanger that will set us up for the season 4. And maybe Zelena will die. Bae is supposed to come back, right? Something has to be put in motion. Maybe Zelena as an act of revenge willl mange to kidnap the baby and head out to another world? or maybe like you said the writers will still kill her off.
ReplyDeleteI love it! Regina defeats her Sister with Light Magic! So cool! She is not so dark any more.
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry, I'm not hater to Rumple or Regina but.....How do you give the hypocrite to Rumple, when if Regina was at her place and Henry had died, Zelena would be no head? o.o (And in that case, who cares of their victims?)
ReplyDeleteI didn't say that.
ReplyDeleteLooks like they spoiled an important part of the episode... not like that one time hulu released an entire episode of Marvel's Agents of Shield hours before the airing time. ABC should be more careful with these things. I smell that someone else is been fired. Just saying
ReplyDeletefantastics!!!!!
ReplyDeleteThe warning wasn't emphatic enough for this spoiler. Some spoiler warnings need the bigger font and lots of exclamation marks.
ReplyDeleteIt looks like Regina's gasp right before she uses the light magic is due to Robin picking up her heart. Love it.
ReplyDeleteI think they took it down....either that or something happened to the the link to the site.
ReplyDeleteCan't find the tweet. Found his official twitter account but this tweet is not there. Looks like he deleted this tweet. I am even wondering if this a fake. There is no time stamp? I don't think Adam Horowitz has responded to the leaked sneak peek.
ReplyDeleteTweet is still on his twitter
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/462651142363557888
was this sneak peek meant to be released??? looks like it's the end of the episode.
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