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Supernatural 9.20 "Bloodlines" Review: The Monster Mafia

30 Apr 2014

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    This week’s episode of Supernatural, “Bloodlines,” was written by Andrew Dabb and directed by Robert Singer. The episode is a “planted pilot” for a potential spinoff series. The spinoff has not yet been picked up by the CW and its fate will, no doubt, be decided by the ratings for the episode. The episode was shot in Chicago which is where it is set.

    The episode was better than I’d anticipated it being, but it still lacked the basic components that really attracted me to Supernatural. I was initially attracted to Supernatural not because it was a monster show but because it was a supernatural show that was shot in a dark and creepy way and that generally had good mysteries around its interesting supernatural monsters. While there were werewolves and vampires and ghosts, it wasn’t your typical vampire show. I was interested in the mysteries not the romances.

    That said, there are a number of rather heavy-handed similarities between “Bloodlines” and Supernatural. Ennis (Lucien Laviscount) loses his fiancé (Erinn Westbrook) and that sets him on the road to hunting the supernatural – anybody else immediately think of Jessica? And of course, at the end of the episode he gets a mysterious call from his supposedly dead father? Will the first season be Ennis trying to find his father by any chance? I did think it a bit funny that Ennis is introduced to the “hunter’s wall” by the person they are hunting  - Marv (Gardiner Millar) - rather than an actual hunter. It’s also rather amusing that the “monster” is actually a human pretending to be a human monster from a horror film – Freddy Kreuger.

    I still have a great deal of trouble with how the basic concept actually fits into the Supernatural universe. Dabb has never been particularly interested in following canon, however. So we have the entire city of Chicago divided up and run by monster families. They even have their own bar. Yet somehow, this has never made it on to even one hunter’s radar? While we’re talking about canon – whatever happened to shapeshifters actually having to shed their skin to shift?

    Instead of having two brothers at the center of the story – and this episode was very light indeed on Sam (Jared Padalecki) and Dean (Jensen Ackles) – we have two pairs of brother/sisters: David (Nathaniel Buzolic) and Margo (Danielle Savre) the shifters and Julian (Sean Faris) and Violet (Melissa Roxburgh). We already see that these relationships are fraught with sibling angst. Margo says she’s happy to have David back when she clearly sees him as an inconvenience to her running the family and the shifters. We know that Violet is merely a pawn to be used by her family. She tells David that she’s only a “bitch” – clearly meaning female dog in this instance, and indicating that women are considered to be less than men in werewolf society. Given Supernatural’s fraught relationship with women viewers over their treatment of women, it is nice to see them tackling issues at both ends of the spectrum here.

    Having the Romeo and Juliet parallel between Violet and David with a heavy dose of we must keep the bloodlines pure, doesn’t really interest me. Having her keep it a secret from David that she didn’t meet him in Union Station because his brother threatened her, was a stupid secret to keep and becomes an even stupider secret when Sal (Bryce Johnson) ends up dead. Why continue to keep the secret when the person who threatened you is now dead? Well, they can continue to be star-crossed lovers. I did, however, really appreciate Dean calling David Romeo and David giving it right back to Dean by calling him Buffy – after all, Dean had just saved Ennis from a vampire!

    Even though Sam warns Ennis that if he gets in too deep, he’ll never be able to get back out – a clear indication that Sam feels that he has sunk into the tar pits of hunting and no longer has a chance to get out – it’s clear that Ennis is going to keep hunting. Dabb had indicated that David and Ennis are destined to be partners, so no doubt, David will need to keep the monster families from going to war and will end up working with Ennis to bring down anyone or anything threatening the monster families.

    We didn’t see much of Savre or Faris. My impression is that they have the potential to create interesting characters. Faris, however, reminded me somewhat strikingly of Tom Cruise. The “old man” of the show is Stephen Martines (Freddy Costa). Costa also does a good job establishing this character. Roxburgh does a good job, and I should perhaps attribute my lack of high praise to her to the fact that I don’t like the subservience of her character. She does do a good job with the emotional scenes that she’s asked to handle.

    This brings us to our two leads. I wasn’t familiar with either of them prior to this episode. Buzolic is really excellent and puts in a particularly strong performance. He has the emotional range to deliver the comedy but also knocks the drama out of the park. He’s even got the one perfect tear down! Laviscount, on the other hand, failed to impress me, and I don’t believe he’s got the talent needed to carry a show as the primary lead.

    I will say that the VFX team really delivered in this episode. I loved all the effects associated with Marv’s blade glove having talons of silver. I especially liked the shot of Marv drawing the blade down Violet’s cheek, leaving a smoking red mark that sizzled back to normal. Violet’s werewolf change was great – even if her leap on Marv was over dramatic. Really all the silver-sizzle moments were well done. Using the city of Chicago as a backdrop was great – but will the show actually shoot there? There are already a number of other shows that do shoot there and feature Chicago landmarks. The fact that the Chicago exteriors were clearly shot in March - cold and no leaves - and that there were other scenes shot outside that featured very leafy landscapes was a definite continuity problem for me. Something that always bothers me about Castle, actually, that is set in New York and shot in LA...

    The episode did nothing to advance the storyline of Supernatural. If you missed the episode, you won’t have missed anything important to that arc. Given how late we are in the season, and how many balls are in the air with only three episodes to go until the end of the season, I found this episode to be as frustrating as another week of repeats. I’m not sure that left me in the best possible frame of mind to view this episode. In addition, as a backdoor pilot, the episode had to pack in a lot of exposition and with so many characters that didn’t give it a lot of time to do justice to any of them.

    What did you think of the episode? Were you intrigued by this new wrinkle in the Supernatural universe or were you left struggling to buy it? Were you intrigued by any of these new characters? Most importantly, will you support the show and tune in if it does get picked up to series next season? Let me know your thoughts in the comments below!

81 comments:

  1. Veronica Andersson30 April 2014 at 09:52

    To be honest, I was more excited about the promo for ''King of the damned'' than this episode!
    Found myself waiting impatiently for the episode to end, just so I could watch the promo for next week...
    Not really a good thing.... But as a pilot for a new series, I guess it was pretty good, but not when it comes to Supernatural standards (even though I gotta admit they have been a bit low sometimes). Just gonna forgive and forget and next week Abaddon, the mark of Cain and Crowley! YES!

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  2. I found myself simply being impatient for this to be over as well. I really have to wonder if people would have given this more of a chance earlier in the season. Or if they had spread it over two episodes with Sam and Dean actually playing some kind of integral role in the plot...

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  3. Where's my, "Men of Letters" spinoff CW? lol Bloodlines pilot was ok at best. I din't really care if it gets ordered to series or not. Just wish Supernatural itself hadn't gone down hill so much. This probably won't be ordered to series. They could always take the budget for this spinoff and give it to Supernatural so that they could afford some actual good special effects and music again. Of course that isn't going to happen.

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  4. I really enjoyed it. I was surprised by how much I liked Ennis, I wasn't expecting to be interested in his character at all. I loved the snippet we got of Margo, I think her relationship with David could be really interesting should it go to series.

    I'm surprised people went in to the episode expecting it to further the current Supernatural storyline. It has been advertised for months as the backdoor pilot for Bloodlines.

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  5. Michael Di Biasi30 April 2014 at 10:38

    There's a better way to do a show about the monsters. Supernatural is about Hunters, make the spinoff about the Hunted. Keep "The Road" aspect of the show and just show it from a different perspective. Their big bad's would be hunters (like Gordon, if I remember his name correctly) you have people to sympathise with the leads like Garth, the leads would always be fighting their "Animal instincts" and helping creatures find their place in the world.


    An Era based Men of Letters show would be good too. Just my thoughts...


    Good review by the way.

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  6. The overused plot, the poor storytelling, the sappy romance, the family tensions, Chicago under mafia (fanged style), not believable main character,... Well, you can have your show but I'm definitely out. I couldn't even force myself to watch this ep after 5 minutes. I could pretend it wasn't a SPN spinoff and ignore all canon violation but still wouldn't like it.

    I'm just angry why they're using SPN timeslot for other shows, The Insights of Jody Milles, Bloodlines! It feels like we've been on a 2-week hiatus.
    The best part for me was the next ep promo, can't wait for it :)
    Thanks for the review.

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  7. This is easily going to be one of the worst spinoffs in history.

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  8. crap! nothing else to say...

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  9. It was OK if it wasn't a Supernatural spin-off, they made so many changes to the show's basic continuity that I couldn't watch without getting annoyed. It reminded me of that episode with the familars it was like someone took a script for a completely different show, added the brothers to the mix and called it Supernatural.

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  10. No kidding, right? So much raw material for a spinoff and they give us this... Absolutely, give us a bigger music budget! The effects are still some of the best on tv - much better than Once Upon a Time for instance...

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  11. Just because it's a backdoor pilot that doesn't preclude it from having _something_ to do with the main myth arc/storyline. Sam and Dean were not even necessary to that story.

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  12. Thanks! And I like both your suggestions some much more!

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  13. Welcome! I still feel like the Jody episode really re-enforced some on-going themes - like what we're willing to do for family and dealing with grief. But this one? Dead air.

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  14. OMG! YES! Thanks - that's said much more eloquently and succinctly than my review!

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  15. That was not good at all. The greatest sin is to be boring and it was. Melodrama, mafia-type families, dull dialogue and corny backstories. I got to say, I hope they pull out of this spin-off so it doesn't affect SN.

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  16. Hey now, the sfx are still really good on the show. Hell, I just learned that there was a completely digital shot of the Impala in episode 3 of this season.

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  17. Thing is theCW is looking to check off demographics than give Andrew Dabb or anyone else real creative freedom to make a spin-off.

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  18. The only way I will be mollified if this spiritless, soulless atrocity goes to series is if they take Brad Buckner & Eugenie Ross-Leming with them and slam the door, never to cross-the-streams between shows again. This was the very first time in 9 years of watching this show that I actually got up and left the room. Absolutely horrible in every way.

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  19. I agree with every word (and that rarely happens with most reviews). I wish them well, I really do - but they've got to shake things up a bit. It was bland. And the stomping all over shapeshifter canon really gets up my nose. We had several episodes featuring the pile of skin leftover and who can forget shapeshifter Dean pulling off a layer of skin? They never shape shifted in a flash before. Major canon violation. Also, the main perpetrator - Ennis - needs to take a few acting lessons over the summer. He lacks charisma and screen presence. Missed Sam and Dean terribly. We don't have time for this... there's so much happening on Supernatural right now. So, I honestly don't care if it gets picked up or not. I just want to get back on the roller coaster ride that is Supernatural season 9.

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  20. Giorgio Corrado30 April 2014 at 14:32

    I guess it's okay series as a fill in for the summer season but I don't know as a regular series they need to pick things up.

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  21. The Alex story had huge huge parallels with Dean's story this season. I think if people watch Bad Boys and last week's episode back-to-back, the parallels would be striking.

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  22. It would take a lot to surpass things like that Criminal Minds spinoff.

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  23. Unfortunately the CW doesn't really want most of SPN's raw material. I wish they did.


    If the show got a bigger budget I'd use it on salaries to allow for more returns and to have recurring characters appear more often, instead of a half dozen times a year.

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  24. one word-Horrible!!

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  25. Are you talking more returning characters or the same characters returning more often? There are definitely some characters I'd like to see more of, but if people don't appreciate Jody because she takes screen time away from the boys, I think we may be in the minority there. Of course, standard contracts stipulate pay bumps/credit at certain numbers of episodes - like 6, 13, etc... But I'm mostly sticking to more classic rock - I miss that kick to the show.

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  26. So painfully true based on this.

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  27. So far no word on its being picked up. I think the reaction to it is going to seal its fate. They'd be better off to bring back Beauty and the Beast which while it has crappy numbers has a rabid fanbase. The CW has a bunch of other pilots that look much better. I honestly felt they'd already abandoned the project even before it was shooting....

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  28. YES!! OMG YES! Please take them and Dabb and Loflin!

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  29. It's being shopped as a regular fall/winter series. I just can't see it making the cut...

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  30. Thanks! We're back to business next week. I guess we just consider this a 22 episode season.

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  31. It was shit. Complete, and utter shit. Bloodlines was nothing more than a generic, completely forgettable CW drama with Supernatural tacked on to it for promo. It was not a Supernatural spin off by any means. Bloodlines was garbage and should be forgotten by all.

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  32. Didn't like this episode, the acting could have been better and the romance did not interest me at all. It didn't have a good hook. In order for me to watch a show, I must care about the characters and the characters on Bloodlines bored me. When I watched the pilot of Supernatural I ended up caring about Sam and Dean (especially Sam at the end of the episode). Ennis who had similar situation to Sam in the pilot was whiny and acted like he can kill of all those monsters, which he doesn't know crap about! They could have done tons of better spin off plots than this one! ALSO SHAPESHIFTERS DON'T JUST MAGICALLY CHANGE INTO OTHER PEOPLE, THEY SHED THEIR SKIN and it bothers me that they just ignored canon. Although it is a Supernatural spin off it did not have the same elements and tone that Supernatural has. I will check out some episodes if it gets picked up as a series to see if the story lines and character improve, but if they don't I will not be a viewer, Honestly the best part of the episode was the promo for next week.

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  33. Well since Chicago is a "murder capital" all the deaths can be explained. ;)
    I did not care for it and doubt it will make it to series, but if it does PLEASE DROP SUPERNATURAL IN THE TITLE. I did not care for any of the characters except David, the hunter is very weak.
    Since the SPN writers and Carver have done nothing to keep canon, nothing about the show surprised me, werewolves/moon, shape-shifters/skin, djinn/color. If picked up I would give it a couple more eps to hook me, but will not hold my breath.
    This could have been a good spin off if using characters we already know and love...SIGH

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  34. I hear you, but I say what good does it do if it's not reflected on the main characters. It's exactly my problem w/ this ep and Sharp Teeth. They both talked about the show's theme, family, but main characters (Sam) didn't learn anything from them, that how precious family is that even monsters treasure it.
    Or about grief, I really wanted to Sam to have a moment about his own grieves, maybe they could make up a much needed flashback of him mourning losing Dean in last season or simply say a comment from his experience to Jody, like how Dean said about de-vamping.

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  35. Ha! Crossing streams. :) you tell 'em, Venkman!

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  36. Fairytale_Angel30 April 2014 at 17:42

    To me the episode was okay, not to strong nor not to weak. The thing I have an issue with is calling it Supernatural spin off. If it was stand alone show changing up a bit of ideas then it can probably can have less criticism from the fanbase. The storyline itself wasn't connecting to the mother show at all even though its a spin off at least have some connection beside having Sam and Dean "hunt" when they actually didn't really do anything beside talk to Ennis, in which to me should not be the lead of the show.

    Characters - I didn't connect at all to Ennis character and his acting well I can't really judge since I never seen any of his shows but he doesn't give the vibe of a hunter at all. Its like Sam's storyline but less violate and well didn't give you the point you should start hunting because your gf got killed by a human who fake being a supernatural. David on the other hand though his character was weak he has potential to be lead if they tweek the storyline around and not make him "romeo". I can actually see him more as a hunter instead of a shapeshifter. I enjoyed his performance more than Ennis and if this were to be picked up, I will continue watching for David (Nathaniel Buzolic) instead. As for Violet she's so-so nothing important on her beside her "big" secret which isn't that big of a deal. I couldn't grasp her character

    The plot was weak to be honest, it was all over the place and even though it try to get to the point, it had too much filter in that episode like the writers just threw ideas together the last minute and film it. The storyline about the 5 family going into war and starcross lovers a bit too much like Romeo and Juliet which to me isn't that exciting

    If they drop the romance plot from "Bloodlines" and twist it up a bit then probably it can be a stand alone show and I might watch it if its not still called supernatural spin off. They should slot it for summer/spring instead of fall/winter. If I were to rate this episode on the scale of 5 probably 2.5 rating just cause I like internal family fighting and I enjoyed Nathaniel Buzolic acting

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  37. Returning more often. I realize it runs a risk, but I think to tell the stories they were trying to tell this season, they needed a little bigger canvas. I feel like budget may have been one of the reasons characters like Kevin were written out (you notice with Kevin gone we get more of characters like Gadreel), and that makes me sad, because, yes, I know if we'd seen more of him then he would have become another hate figure for some fans, but I miss him and I felt like he was such a bridge to the future.

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  38. Fanbase only gets you so far. BATB was about .5 or .6 below SPN by the end, I think.


    I don't know how much attention they pay to fan reaction (as most of it is polarized and tends to be enraged and excessively idealistic/nostalgic) or critical reaction (most of the reviews for SPN are the equivalent of someone writing on toilet paper - a prominent reviewer for the show wrote an article about Sam being a "baby bird"...). I'd say it's down to their other pilots and whether they want two spinoffs on their schedule.

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  39. Isn't Loflin already done with the show?

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  40. Trust me, they pay a _lot_ of attention to fans - at least as far as numbers go. I'm sure you've heard the old saying, any publicity is good publicity. As long as they are winning People's Choice awards and polls across the Internet or driving up the Nielsen Twitter ratings that will do a lot to balance the more traditional numbers. Advertisers are slow to catch on, but even they have started to realize that the younger demographic with the highest spending power doesn't watch television on an actually tv anymore... I think it has a lot more to do with what they think will draw bigger numbers. The Flash is a lock - good cast and good writers - and DC behind it.

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  41. I agree, they do pay a lot of attention, I'm just saying in this fandom it's sometimes difficult to tell what to react to. For instance, people who scream for Cas and then people who scream for Cas to be fired. People who say that the show needs more characters and people who say it needs just Sam and Dean. So if they interpret the negative reaction as being about not enough Sam and Dean, and not about the quality of the episode, then they may not assume the reaction means people disliked it because of the writing. They may think that on its own it might get a better response.


    I would be surprised if it's picked up but it always kind of sounded like a backup show to me anyway, thrown together because most of their new shows have struggled in the ratings this season or because SPN has been doing better than expected.


    I could see them asking for it as a 13 episode show, maybe, although I don't even know about that.

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  42. There has been an instance in canon when a shapeshifter didn't shed its skin and could transform instantaneously but it was the Alpha so I guess that could be a nod to the purity of bloodlines, if they wanted to. If they even thought about it. Not defending, just pointing out that it did happen in canon, once.
    Still didn't care for the ep much.

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  43. Nice review for the episode!


    But to answer a couple of this:


    "So we have the entire city of Chicago divided up and run by monster families. They even have their own bar. Yet somehow, this has never made it on to even one hunter’s radar?"


    Everything looked very hush hush, especially the five families themselves that tried to stay away from war, so how could it get on any hunter's radar? It's like that one episode last season about witches where Sam and Dean were fairly new to that one club for witches.


    "While we’re talking about canon – whatever happened to shapeshifters actually having to shed their skin to shift?"


    The one shifter that died in the episode mentioned something about pure bloods, so it could be the reason why they don't shed their skin. We've seen before of how pure blood monsters act in contrast to the monster that are not pure bloods. This episode wasn't my issue when it came to that piece of canon because of the line about being pure blood, but the shapeshifter that didn't shed his skin in "Blade Runners" will always make me scratch my head.

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  44. Good review. I don't agree with all of it (I don't really care about canon - the show threw it away in season 4 or 5 and I just can't work up anger about it), but I think you make your points fairly and rationally. What a contrast to reviewers going on about how this would RUIN INTEGRITY FOREVER if it became a series. This fandom is always WORST EVER LOL LOL LOL!!! I'm so bored with it. I wish more reviewers were as objective as you are.


    I agree about the makeup team, and Buzolic, and the romance, and the derivative nature. I hope if this is picked up they really move away from trying to take things from the pilot that just don't work outside of that pilot, which was so well done by Kripke, Nutter, and J2.

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  45. Oh yes, Nutter has so many pilots picked up, he is very good and to get him for the first 2 SPN was wonderful.

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  46. If they bumped off Ennis and the hunter angle and left us with the monster mafia it could work. He maybe our supposed in but he was the weak link especially with the father angst and the silver bullets in the closet. Do we need another 'my daddy didn't understand me/abandoned me' trope after nine years of everyone bar Crowley suffering it in Supernatural.


    If they had to have hunters in it bring them in like the one last night and how hunters were before the MoL bit. As blue collar wierdos who just drift through picking one or two monsters off who get out of line or were too stupid to stay off the radar.

    If anything am more interested in Margo and David's relationship as sister getting to run the business when no-one wants her there and the preferred brother coming back to be a spanner in the works. Or if Violet ever stops being a wet blanket and gets to do something other than simpering and then not being able to protect herself from anyone even though it is shown that when she has to she can wolf out.



    If they got the writing right it could be a kind of monster Godfather, with Margo as a shapeshifting Sonny and Violet as a werewolf Michael Corleone of their respective families. It would be one way to deal with the misogyny angle and as for the habit of knocking of people of colour in Spn, well we haven't seen the other families yet so they could take care of that and they could still bump off the guy who looks like he shouldn't be allowed out after dark by himself.


    Okay I'm hoping they could get some sort of good out of this mess but I know am grasping at straws.

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  47. My attraction to Supernatural has always been the gritty, down-to-earth feel it has. Chalk it up to my blue jeans mentality, but I prefer the down/dirty look from their choice of clothing, the old, yet perfect conditioned Impala to Bobby's far from updated or modern home. Also, their associates were in the same blue jeans clad boat; Ellen & Jo, Rufus, Garth, Benny, etc, etc, etc... Even the "bad" guys fit the type - Lucifer, Ruby and the rest. Bloodlines is too much with the mansions and limo's and high-end EVERYTHING. It reminded me of Vampire Diaries meets Gossip Girls with a dash of the Sopranos thrown in... I'm not sure but it seems they're gearing this towards a totally different fan base. Ok, introductions have been made, we met the new kids on the block so let's get back to Sam & Dean and Supernatural!

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  48. disqus_1S0cPdC34I30 April 2014 at 21:26

    Liked the review and like Nathaniel Buzolic. Problem is it wasn't a real SPN spinoff -- more like a TVD spinoff. All soap opera like. Too early for me to comment on the quality of some of the actors as I think I didn't see enough of the story (perhaps it should have been a 2-parter or a stand alone show) for me to be interested. One of the great things about SPN is that not all the actors are "shiny" and "pretty" -- many are pretty unique, much older, etc and it brings a quality to the show that I didn't see in this one. I'd almost like to see this 'separate' from SPN -- a 2 hour show that tells more of the story and even doesn't include Sam and Dean. Also Ennis isn't interesting to me yet but perhaps it's just that his story needs to be developed. I'm happy to try it again, but would rather it not be a SPN spinoff but it's own show that focuses on some pretty but a lot of grime and dirt.

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  49. "Were you intrigued by this new wrinkle in the Supernatural universe? Were you intrigued by any of
    these new characters? Most importantly, will you support the show and
    tune in if it does get picked up to series next season?" Well, in a word--no. :-)


    Nothing about this episode excited me. It was dull. The acting (with the exception of J2 and maybe--just maybe--the one dude, Nathaniel) was dull. I couldn't call up one iota of care or concern about any of the new characters. Quite unlike the SPN pilot where I immediately came to care about both Sam and Dean and what life had in store for them.


    Admittedly, I am not a fan of either teen romancy type stuff or mobster anything so that predisposed me to not liking the premise; however, if it had truly fit nicely into the Supernatural universe, I may have been able to overcome those dislikes. But since it did not fit at all into our known SPNverse, it just didn't work for me on any level.



    And to top it all off, the stomping all over canon was just downright painful.

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  50. I think in a case like this, they are really going to look at the reaction in addition to the numbers. You can bet your bottom dollar that they likely tested this too. Even as a planted pilot its expensive. I think you are bang on considering they were making hay on SPN....

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  51. Completely agree that even the look and feel of the episode was off.

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  52. Couldn't agree more. The Djinn got remade in Exile in Main Street - so attribute that to Gamble anyway... I did like David. I think it could have been a lot more interesting if they'd turned Supernatural completely on its head and had the monster be the lead - he's certainly a way better actor. But really? So many of our favorites would have had us tuning in every week....

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  53. I agree! I'm willing to give Violet a bit of a pass - I thought her acting much better in the flashback, so I'm betting she was directed to act the way she did to allow room for growth should the series get picked up. It would certainly be better than a lot of previous CW summer shows, but I can't say that I'll be jumping on the bandwagon to watch this one. Buzolic was quite good though - I'll look for him in the future.

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  54. Thanks. Sorry, I just can't get behind Gamble's and Carver's re-writing of canon with pure-bloods and Alphas. The witches episode was also dreadful in my opinion. If that many monsters could hide in that kind of organized situation and no one in the hunting community or the men of letters was any the wiser it really makes them look incredibly stupid. And really, look how easy it was for Sam and Dean to find out about it here...

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  55. Thanks. I do try to be objective, so I appreciate that being acknowledged a great deal. At the end of the day, I do appreciate that the writers and producers don't set out to fail - they are trying to create something that is entertaining. I'm also ok with having canon "develop" when writers have written themselves into a corner. I was really quite pleasantly surprised by Buzolic. I think the thing that would help them the most to move forward is to drop Laviscount or severely diminish his part...

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  56. Agree with so much of what you say here! I really think Violet was much better in the flashback which makes me think that we would see her develop over time to be a more forceful character. Have to agree about Ennis - definitely the weak link.

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  57. Great summary of the mish mash that is this show!

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  58. Thanks! I think you are right on the money comparing it more to TVD - which I've never been able to get into.

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  59. Martin Anders1 May 2014 at 00:16

    There is a better example - the Shapeshifter from Blade-runners who was pretending to be Magnus also shifted on a dime - not just his face, but the clothes as well. And for all intents and purposes, he was just a regular shapeshifter.

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  60. Was it said how long the families have been running things? Because it just as well may be a recent thing, like how Eve when died they just decided to stay organized.


    Like it said in the episode, they pay off the cops, keep human kills to minimum, and try to be as discrete as possible. If vampires were able to lay low so good that even John Winchester thought they were extinct, and didn't feel the need to even mention them to Sam and Dean. I don't see how monsters that have more or less assimilated with human society wouldn't be able to fly under the radar.


    The shifter change, I wanna believe it was a network mandated thing, it has to be.

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  61. Martin Anders1 May 2014 at 01:51

    I don't have a problem with the whole "monsters flying under the radar" idea, but logic dictates it has been going on for much longer. We know that Romeo and Juliet - I mean, David and Violet - decided to run away three years ago and their families were against it, so they must have been in power then as well. I don't remember if it was mentioned how long ago Ennis' dad had 'died', but if he knew about the families and it was more than 3 years, then the time-frame has stretched further.

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  62. Martin Anders1 May 2014 at 02:46

    Upon rewatch, I found a few more things wrong with the episode.



    1. So Dean stops the car, they all get out, get the monster-mob expo and then just get back in again and drive off again? Why did they get out in the first place? Couldn't they have talked it all out while driving?


    2. I feel like there was supposed to be some bigger mystery behind being hinted at.
    Someone, who wants war, told the hunter dude about his son to set him on the revenge path. If so, they should have focused more on that angle.



    3. I also feel like they were trying to hint that Violet was more than just pack bitch. Her eyes turned green and she got a sudden power boost - enough to break through chains. If so, then they should've hinted more strongly - it'd have made an otherwise bland character a little more interesting.



    4. What was up with Ennis' voice-over speech in the last episode? Supernatural doesn't do voice-over monologues like that. And it wasn't like we got one in the beginning. The scene would've been much more powerful if he had been doing it all in silence.



    5. I'll say this again because it bears repeating - the guy playing Ennis was not a good actor. So many of his lines - or maybe just the way he said them - made me cringe. His reaction to his girlfriend's death seemed too melodramatic, his reaction to Sam and Dean telling him to run felt overwrought, his scene with the vampire wasn't very believable and overall, the only emotion he seemed to display was being overly angry. It felt like watching a rookie actor overplay his role and the lines he had did not help.



    6. The other hunter - on the other hand - I did like. He had the whole creepy/angry/menacing thing going on which was decent. I'd have preferred him as the villain-protagonist/hero-antagonist. A good fighter, obsessed with revenge, willing to cross lines and bring about war who becomes a faceless man with silver claws at night and walks the streets of Chicago hunting monsters regardless of whether they were good or bad and has the five ruling families in a panic - now there is your spinoff. Pity, guess he wasn't pretty enough.



    7. More ignoring the shapeshifter canon - Shapeshifters download memories of the people they impersonate - which is why they don't fall into the "you should've known that" trap. Here David-as-the-detective doesn't know about the stuff Ennis told him or that his dad is supposed to be dead.



    8. Since when are the Winchesters so chill about hanging around with shapeshifters? Its not easy for a monster to gain their trust. Even if they are in a good mood, the best they usually do is let it leave alive. For one to work with them requires months of building up the trust. Even with the "lesser-evil" rationale, they remain wary and careful. Remember how uncomfortable Dean was around Garth's family. Or how they kept the Pishtaco chick tied up while they hunted her brother. Here they just invite the shape-shifter they met a few minutes ago for a ride-along. And all he needs to do to get invited to the hunt is threaten to withhold Violet's phone-number from them. When a monster tries to withhold information form them, the Winchester usually respond by tying him to a chair and beating the answers out of him - not by letting him come along and giving him a shotgun.



    9. The Winchesters could just as easily have been in the same place as the other hunter. Imagine this - some relative of a possessed girl they happened to kill finds them in an abandoned house torturing two other creatures for some information and says "you are the only monsters here" - would he be justified? The Winchesters couldn't have known that David and Violet were the harmless variety and the guy was clearly human and a hunter of sorts - one of their own. Its more likely that he would be the one getting the benefit of the doubt here. And yet - for some reason - the Winchesters do a complete 180 and let Ennis kill him without batting an eyelid.

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  63. 100% agree. They took out everything we love about the original Supernatural and made a spinoff with all the bad parts. Why???

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  64. The pilot was much more decent than i expected mostly thanks to the galore of humour provided by Nate's character (david ?) Transformer, shape-shifter - i change shape, it's all in the name etc other funny one-liners.
    I like that they retconned and made shifters being able to change shape without all the disgusting slime skin peeling process. It made them more deity-like, more dangerous and unpredictable and provided oppotunity for endless twists and plots in the future. I was wondering whether each episode of spin off will have like 5 minutes of skin peeling every time a shifter needs to change and i am glad they won't waste time on it, and instead just had the balls retcon a little.
    Highly unimpressed with all the romantic love stuff. ennis and his girl being together since 4 or 5 grade, ehhh, right, that happens in real life. If they really stayed together this long they are the most weirdest boring people ever, or religious nutcases who marry really young to start having sex. And the "pack bitch" and shape-shifter Romeo and Juliet love story is even more fluffy and vomit inducing.
    I liked the werewolf leader guy, it's good they didn't make him likable instead showing him a cruel monster like werewolves so far have been in SN universe. With sugary face like his, he needs to stay a jerk otherwise he won't be an interesting character at all.
    Violet is annoying and reminds me of banshee that always screams on Teen Wolf. Except less pretty.
    So basically my hope rests on more jocks between the obviously about to team up duo David and Ennis and the others characters that may be introduced eventually, since there seems to be a lot more supernaturals than just weres and shifters in Chicago.

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  65. I hope it doesn't get a picked up, then they can send Kol to TO.

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  66. I never thought I'd say this but I'm really struggling through the episode, it's soooo boring

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  67. To answer your questions, I did not like, was not intrigued with any character, and won't watch if the spin-off is picked up.

    First off, I think there is a problem with the monster groups that were chosen. Why would vampires live under werewolves, or any other group of monster?

    Most of the monster groups picked for Bloodlines are strictly territorial and strictly loners (even though the writers trashed the werewolf lore in the Garth episode by having them live in family
    groups and change at will. Wraiths, ghouls, djinn, and shapeshifters are loners that hunt alone. They do not live in groups, let alone mansions, like glitzy restaurants, and wear fasionable clothing.

    The concept of monster families based on Mafia families living in one city is a stretch, too, under this premise. The Mafia families started their business in New York, but the Mafia families had individual, established boroughs in New York to do their business, and then they divided up the rest of the country so their businesses could expand. Why are all these monsters in one city? How did
    they get wealthy? Do they run criminal enterprises or legitimate corporations?

    How long can the writers sustain ‘there might be a war between monster families’ before the viewers get bored with being teased. If they go to the matresses (old story), then what? How long can the Dallas intrigue and vying for power be sustained before viewers get bored? How long can the Romeo/Juliet romance story be sustained before the viewers get bored with being teased?

    From this backdoor Pilot, I really question if the Supernatural audience is even the intended target group for the show. It seemed they were trying to pull the teenagers and early 20-somethings.

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  68. I think he was done with the show before he started.

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  69. I really wish they'd have made an era based MOL spin off. It's like Mad Men, with Monsters.

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  70. Exactly, The backdoor pilot for the Finder on Bones was all about the main character from the Finder having to locate something for the Bones team. It kept the parent series involved while introducing a set of characters for a new show in the process.

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  71. I couldn't even watch half of it without skipping through, it reminded me too much of of those movies where the writers try put too much into the hour film, and move it too fast, when it should be a four movie series. It was so boring, and unoriginal. I think that's why majority of the SPN fandom hated it. They took something so amazingly written and original, then added a shitty romance story, and a city in. If they wanted a reasonably enjoyable spin-off, they need to get rid of the whole girlfriend dying and romance altogether, the city part just made it feel too much like this era, where as supernatural had it set sort of in back streets of old towns, even if they did use the city, it was hardly ever as big as Chicago or New York. The thing is though, if they changed all the things we hated about it, it would be too much like SPN, so they should save themselves the money and time, and just scrap the whole thing. The whole storyline of 'Bloodlines' has been done way too many times.

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  72. Have to agree that there were none of the elements that drew me to Supernatural in this episode.

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  73. Have to agree! I've said all along that they aren't targeting the demo that's watching Supernatural! And I don't think you can apply either logic of historical precedence to this story! LOL!

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  74. It's being done right now and called The Originals, with 3 families of monsters instead of 5.

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  75. Good points, Ginger. I just saw the episode last night, and I wondered how they planned to keep the show going? What is the motive to watch? Are we watching to see what the monster families do? If Ennis becomes a hunter? If Ennis's dad is alive? Who do we root for? The Romeo/Juliet couple? Ennis? The "bad" monsters?

    In any Pilot, the viewer has to leave the episode caring about the characters and what happens to them. I did not hate this episode, but I must say I wouldn't watch the show again. I don't particularly care what happens to the monster families or Ennis. Ennis got his revenge, and I can't see him being "pulled into the life."



    Plus, I think placing this show in the "Supernatural" universe was to its detriment. Hunters would be all over Chicago and presumably taking care of the host of monsters in that city.

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  76. That's a huge problem w/the show, IMO. What is it about? That was the question I was left asking myself when I watched it yesterday.



    What is this show even about?

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  77. The shapeshifter thing is easily explained: just as pureblood werewolves have deeper control over their power (as ssn in that Garth episode), then the same must be true for other monsters such as shapeshiters, vampires etc. And all the Chicago families are clearly pureblood.

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  78. was anyone else frustrated that they completely ignored some of the history that supernatural has already put in place (like shape shifters and how they change, or a werewolf changing when they want to...)? I was like, um, no.


    Also, did anyone else notice that Sam's voice sounded strange in this episode?

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  79. It looks just as bad as bloodlines does.

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