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21 Apr 2014

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73 comments:

  1. Lucy Batochio21 April 2014 at 02:00

    One of the best episodes of OUAT. So much character development for Snow and Regina. Belle calling Regina on her BS, Emma being happy with her magic (while Hook's watching and feeling miserable he's gonna have to take it away from her). Just a perfect episode.

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  2. ♥ Love is Strength ♥21 April 2014 at 02:03

    We all died with that kiss

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  3. klutzy_girl21 April 2014 at 02:08

    I loved it so much! I'm assuming Cora cast a spell so Eva and Leopold wouldn't remember her later.

    And I love that David figured out right away that Zelena wants the baby. And I wonder why she needs Baby Nolan for the spell.

    The Regina and Snow moments were the best, as was the Regina/Robin kiss! So cute.

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  4. Aydrian21 April 2014 at 02:08

    Just to put something out there: Emma giggled. EMMA giggled. I can't remember the last time she giggled. It was adorable. And she really enjoyed showing off for Hook.

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  5. yellowumbrella gal21 April 2014 at 02:09

    I cheered when Robin and Regina kissed! So cute.

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  6. Aleana Harris21 April 2014 at 02:10

    Love it one best episode love Snow and Regina character development love Belle calling Regina on her crap funny seeing Emma loving magic careless about Emma and Hook but it sad seeing Hook sad over all love the episode

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  7. yellowumbrella gal21 April 2014 at 02:12

    Also Emma/Hook at the diner was great. They're definitely my OTP. And Belle yelling at Regina was good. It's about time Belle did that.

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  8. Chase21 April 2014 at 02:14

    It was good mostly because Cora was in it, although at first I was disappointed with her because it was foolish for her to hop into bed with a random guy claiming to be a prince but I guess she had to learn the most valuable lesson "Love is weakness," sometime. However I am a bit confused on the timeline with this incident now. And I just dislike the Wicked Witch/Zelena as a villain, her excuse and reasons for being "wicked" is pretty pathetic, at least I can sympathize with Cora, Rumple and Regina but not with her. And although several may disagree with me, I just don't care for Regina and Robin. Yes they are both very attractive and maybe they will grow on me but I just don't care for it but maybe that will change. All I can say is I hope the show gets better or if it doesn't it needs to end before it ruins itself.

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  9. Chase21 April 2014 at 02:16

    Yes I did like the Regina and Snow moments, they were perfect. It's nice to know that they are beginning to realize that neither side is good or evil, they are both.

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  10. inhighheels21 April 2014 at 02:19

    CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT!! It is a blessing, it finally happened, they are finally addressing Regina/Snow issues!
    And bonus points for hot!Lana, ghost!Cora and Regina going all "screw it, I might be dead (technically, not ever alive) in a week, let's go kiss the hell out of this true love of mine".

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  11. Justin Valdes21 April 2014 at 03:18

    Holy crap, that was an awesome episode. Probably the best episode of OUAT yet and it was all because of the Regina/Mary Margaret bonding. It was incredible.

    LOL at Zelena giving Regina green apples to piss her off. Loved that bickering scene.

    I'm glad that Emma is finally feeling happy about growing her powers.

    Awww at the Regina and Robin kiss! They're so cute together and I love that Regina has found happiness again after the whole Henry doesn't remember her anymore.

    Also, time travel seems like a very interesting arc for season 4.

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  12. vivcious21 April 2014 at 03:52

    I'm ready for Zelena the Whiny Witch to be defeated already. Anytime she's on the screen, its unbearable.

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  13. Ron21 April 2014 at 03:59

    Regina and Snow, REGINA AND SNOW! but wait then REGINA AND HOOD! REGINA AND HOOD!


    It was an awesome episode, Yk Zelena reminded me a little to Jaffar from Wonderland she just want to be loved and when she saw that Rumple was using her she cracked a little and let it show a bit of vulnerability.


    Once again Princess Eva was a total BITCH! she is a great add as well as young Cora.

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  14. Sara21 April 2014 at 04:05

    Not really a great episode in terms of plot but excellent in terms of character development. Regina and Snow were rocking the episode and I'm really glad that we got to see some of the background through their parents.

    Leopold remains such a creep.

    Hopefully they stop writing Belle as a moron. Regina has now shown her more respect than Belle's actual boyfriend. I'm still crossing my fingers they have Belle actually realize how terrible he is but probably not. "Regina is mean! She locked me up in her castle but she's not a white guy I'm attracted to. And just because those 28 years only felt like one day doesn't mean anything!" But I guess a secondary character being written badly to advance a main character's development is fine.

    Still not quite sure why Hook is even there.

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  15. Sara21 April 2014 at 04:06

    Adam has already said that Leopold knew who Cora was when he proposed to Regina, that they both had full knowledge of who the other was.

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  16. Justin Valdes21 April 2014 at 04:08

    Hopefully you're talking about Regina/Robin and not the other kiss that happened in this episode ;)

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  17. lugita1521 April 2014 at 04:13

    Do you have a link for that?

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  18. magnutude21 April 2014 at 04:17

    great background and character dev ep.... loved the Regina/Snow bonding time and Regina taking Snow's advice to just go for a little happiness. Still disappointed in Hook not saying anything about the WW's kiss/curse plan for Emma to try to give them a chance to try to prevent it/reverse it.....

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  19. Sara21 April 2014 at 04:20

    https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/458052770654728193

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  20. lugita1521 April 2014 at 04:39

    Thanks. I think they're just trying to come up with a rationalization on the spot. When they made episode 1x18 I don't think they had any intention of Leopold and Cora knowing each other so closely if at all.

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  21. Sara21 April 2014 at 04:41

    A&E definitely pull shit from their ass a lot, as is evidenced by most things not making any sense at all. I suppose they wanted to reinforce the idea that Leopold was a creep that just wanted a pretty teenage girl to bang and wasn't looking for a 'mother' at all.

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  22. TeamLexana21 April 2014 at 04:46

    So, Cora basically forced Regina to marry her ex fiancé after Ava outed her for being pregnant by anothers baby that came reeeaaly close to being pawned off as Leopald's daughter and taking Snow's place as the princess. Why would Leo be cool with marrying Cora's kid? The hell. The show gets more and more incestuous as time goes on, lol.
    I don't understand though, didn't Cora marry that other prince from her first flashback ep and was on her way to becoming Queen of her own realm anyways? Why wasn't she a Queen during the years she raised Regina?

    I see Hook still hasn't come clean about the kiss curse but looks like it's making him grumpy about it, esp when he see's her use magic. I'm surprised Zelena didn't curse Robin with a kiss curse as well since she seemed to know his significance to Regina since she sent Rumple after Robin to get her heart.

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  23. lugita1521 April 2014 at 04:47

    I think the episode was mainly used to portray Eva in a bad light, not Leopold.

    Anyway, here's another plot problem: why didn't Eva and Cora recognize each other in the beginning of "Miller's Daughter", when Eva trips her and Cora says "Princess? She's just a girl."

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  24. TeamLexana21 April 2014 at 04:49

    Yeah that was cute. Too bad damn kiss curse got in the way of Hook making a adorkable comment about it since seeing her use magic seems to put him in a foul mood now.

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  25. Sara21 April 2014 at 04:50

    Maybe, though I'm less concerned with bratty teenagers then adult men.

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  26. inhighheels21 April 2014 at 04:57

    I agree, though it was bound to get borderline incestuous as time went by, considering the family tree they have been building. But Cora is one fucked up person and Leopold, as many had already guessed, is full of issues.


    And from what I gathered, here's what happened: all that we saw during today's episode happened BEFORE the other Cora flashbacks. Cora had her chance one, she blew it, went back to the miller's daughter life, saw the opportunity to marry royalty again and took it. The 2nd time around, she was smarter and also ruthless, that's why she turned on Rumple and decided to take her own heart out instead of following it.
    But, honestly, try not to dwell too much on any of it. The storylines are pretty messed up at this point.

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  27. jesustibarra21 April 2014 at 05:03

    Where is the Best episode of the series and probably TV history option in the survey?

    effing snow white and effing evil queen finally got over all the s***t from their past! Amazing! I cried a lot! (Excuse my french but I am super happy)

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  28. MLM21 April 2014 at 05:55

    They did recognize each other, it explains why Eva tripped Cora and how Cora knew her name.

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  29. TeamLexana21 April 2014 at 06:12

    That makes sense esp because of the straw into gold thing but if Ava knew who Cora was, you'd think she'd be telling everyone about her failed attempt to trick Leo into being the father of her baby and marrying him, just like any "mean girl" would and Ava definitely seemed to still be wearing her "mean girl" panties at that time. It also doesn't explain why Cora wasn't still royalty when she forced Regina to marry Leo years later.

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  30. MLM21 April 2014 at 06:14

    What I would have rated as "Awesome" I only rated as good because I still am not understanding this quickly developing Robin Hood storyline. It makes no sense to me and until it does, it just took away from the AWESOMENESS that was The Regina/Snow Show.

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  31. JoshuaAndre2121 April 2014 at 06:40

    Love the episode. Great character development/progression, especially for Regina and Snow!


    Just to clarify, is this episode's flashbacks set before the flashbacks of "The Millers Daughter"? If so, then why would Eva no recognise Cora in "The Millers Daughter"? And why would Leopold willingly marry Regina when he knew who Cora was? Maybe he was made to forget his whole encounter with Cora, but who would do that? Cora herself? Don't think so as she had no magic yet. Maybe Eva made up a story and persuaded the Blue Fairy to do it...

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  32. MLM21 April 2014 at 07:07

    Yes, the flashback was prior to Millers Daughter since Zelena is Cora's first-born. Adam confirmed on Twitter a bit ago that Leopold DID know that Regina was Cora's daughter and did recognize Cora. Blech.

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  33. Em21 April 2014 at 07:47

    *screams with tears* CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT

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  34. phnxgrl21 April 2014 at 08:47

    I loved this background information caused by the appearance of Zelena. I loved how Snow was possessed by Cora's ghost. I loved how Emma is getting really good with her magic. I loved the special relationship between Snow and Regina. There was much more of a Mother Daughter vibe to them in this episode.

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  35. whatever21 April 2014 at 08:57

    ok, that's just...that's why I was so angry after this episode. Yes, nice character development, but the writers are regulary destroying OUAT well established backstory.

    The whole thing with Cora/Leo and Eva was not smart and clever - it was confusing and unnecessarily complicated. And if this is their canon, then all Regina haters have to admit that her life was seriously fu$%ed up. Her marriage to Leo was always contorvesial but now...it's just sick. Cora knew and Leo knew (Adam confirmed it) and he still married this young girl? Did Cora tell him, that Regina wasn't the child she was carrying when she wanted to marry him? Or Leo didn't care?

    Seriously, WTF? Cora was a bitch, but what about Leo? After what she saw, Snow should also acknowledge the fact, that her father decision to marry Regina was atrocious and abusive.

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  36. vivcious21 April 2014 at 09:06

    iirc, Zelena threatened Hook that he tries to tell anyone about the curse, she would kill Henry and anyone Emma cares about.


    BUT I'm confused as to how that is a useful threat when she is going to try and kill all of them anyways lol. He might as well just say something. I guess its a case of delaying the inevitable, but buying time just the same.

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  37. IraNiki21 April 2014 at 09:08

    The episode was okay for. I only liked few scenes.
    I don't understand why Snow has apologize to Regina but Regina doesn't... Regina did a far worse things to Snow, but Snow is the only one guilty... And I don't understand why Snow thought her mother was bad. Eva only told the truth about Cora. Cora was pregnant and she did lie about it, she never loved Leopold and she stole from the King. Eva saved Leopold. But again Eva is bad one here. I don't understand this logic.

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  38. beeti9521 April 2014 at 11:18

    Great episode, Robin/ Regina kiss, I giggled :D
    And Emma was so cute in Grannie's showing her magic to Hook, awww <3
    And this family tree is even more insane now.. Leopold/ Cora then Leopold/Regina...
    Anyway, can't wait until next episode.

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  39. Famous4it21 April 2014 at 11:33

    Such an emotionally satisfying episode <3

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  40. percysowner21 April 2014 at 12:21

    Well realistically* Regina's dad was still alive and Cora was married to him, so Leopold couldn't marry Cora. Also Leopold is a king who doesn't have a male heir. Snow was great and all that, but princes are still preferred to princesses. Cora was at an age where she was not going to have more kids. An heir and a spare is what most kings want.

    *Yes using the world realistically in a show where a fairytale kingdom has been moved not once but twice to Maine and where the main characters have magic is ridiculous.

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  41. Feekk21 April 2014 at 12:36

    I loved this episode! I loved every scene of Regina with Snow! More of that and more of Emma and Regina too PLEASE! The backstory is making sense so it is nice too. Although some people might criticize this development but I think it's damn time for Regina to kiss Robin, she has known that he's her true love since years ago. We have learned that since earlier this season.

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  42. ♥ Love is Strength ♥21 April 2014 at 12:55

    OF COURSE I'M TALKING ABOUT REGINA AND ROBIN! Please! Rumple and Belle are soulmates!

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  43. Sara21 April 2014 at 13:20

    This is before that though. Hence Zelena being the OLDER sister.

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  44. whatever21 April 2014 at 13:21

    she doesn't remember the last 12 months. In SB timeline she met him a week ago? Look, I'm not against this story, Regina deserves some luuuuv, but execution of this storyline is poor and too convinient. That's why the whole thing feels so forced and rushed. But I'm glad people enjoy it. I really do!!!

    Personally I expected something less banal (lion tattoo, fairy dust etc), and more interesting for a character like Regina.

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  45. Sara21 April 2014 at 13:22

    Well, literally everything on the show takes place in days. With the exception of the missing year, all of Season 3 has taken place over 11 days.

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  46. Sara21 April 2014 at 13:25

    Leopold's decision to marry Regina was always atrocious and abusive, this was probably to underline that. Regina haters hated her with multiple abusers in her past before so it won't change now any way.

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  47. Feekk21 April 2014 at 13:34

    It's fairy tales and I think it's fair to assume that love develops fairly simply in fairy tales (Leopold meeting Cora when she was in trouble and fell in love with her when she demonstrated how to set a fire?). Unlike in real life, OUAT has this idea that the characters have soulmates and when the pixie dust confirmed that it was the man with the lion tattoo who should be Regina's soulmate, Regina knew that, albeit not knowing it was Robin, so when she saw him in SB, she knew he was her soulmate, even she hesitated because she thought she didn't deserve happy ending.

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  48. whatever21 April 2014 at 13:42

    oh I know what kind of show i'm watching ;) Fairy tales, true luv and all that jazz. But, you know... like I said, I thought they will try a little harder for Regina.

    But it's fine, it's not a big deal. Maybe I just need to spend more time with Robin LOL, because at the moment - when it comes to his personality - he is still a pretty blank page.

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  49. Michele Klinger21 April 2014 at 14:03

    TOTALLY! Rumple and The Wicked Witch totally made me squirm a little and when it looked like they were going to get it on, I was totally uncomfortable

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  50. Feekk21 April 2014 at 14:09

    Eh, I think it's hard for her already. Losing Daniel, exacting revenge for that, only to see the attempt fail, being a good person, I think it's about time she found love of her own.


    I agree, Robin is a little bit bland, he's interesting when he's with Regina (at least for me). Which is why I don't think I would oppose to a Robin-centric episode :)

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  51. lugita1521 April 2014 at 14:20

    I don't think the creators had any intention at the time for Eva tripping Cora because she knew her. I think they were just trying to portray her as a brat who looked down on commoners.

    But what gave you the idea that Cora knew Eva's name in "Miller's Daughter Episode"? The first time that the name is said in that episode is when the King (Henry's father) tells Cora "This is Princess Eva from the Northern Kingdom."

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  52. Paz21 April 2014 at 14:46

    I think Robin and Regina are really each other's true love, so they are just drawn to each other; much like MM and David in season 1.

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  53. MIH21 April 2014 at 15:00

    The king didn't know that Cora and Eva known each other already.

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  54. R Vassilissa21 April 2014 at 15:56

    Gosh, it's been a while since I've voted "awesome" for an OUAT ep, but this was easily the best episode of the season and definitely one of my favourites! There were some "oh no, don't go there" type of scenes, but the Regina/Snow development was pure awesomeness! :) And the Outlaw Queen scenes were definitely the cherry and sprinkles on top!

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  55. DarthLocke421 April 2014 at 16:01

    Very interesting episode. It definitely made me understand Cora MUCH better now, including her Wonderland escapades!
    I wonder if The Gardner will turn up again and be something more than that. It just feels like he might have a vendetta against many people unseen. (I can see the episode title now: The Constant Gardner)


    I'm glad that Zelena's father is no one we knew, as opposed to being someone I wouldn't like, even though I still think Rumple would of been a more interesting choice, but obviously that ship has sailed now.


    Obviously, it was nice to see Regina kiss Robin (especially since she did it without her heart)! Definately enjoying the pair.


    Still can't get over that the Wonderland spell book is just "out there" and that might have been useful for Zelena. Also liked how they winked to the Wonderland plot by having Zelena try and get Rumple to go along with her (Parallels Jafar and Amara). Given the title and setting Cora's ghost of Christmas past aside, I think maybe Zelena will cast the spell, but something will go wrong...like she might create an additional parallel universe that is "competing" for space...There's a lot of Fringe elements on both OUAT and the former OUATiW this year...

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  56. R Vassilissa21 April 2014 at 16:07

    My thoughts exactly during the Belle/Regina scene. I half expected Regina to laugh at Belle's "I have self-respect" line, but I guess she decided to go with honey instead of vinegar this time, lol.

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  57. lugita1521 April 2014 at 16:32

    But where did you get the idea that Cora knew Eva's name in that episode?

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  58. Sara21 April 2014 at 16:49

    I think she genuinely cares about making amends, whereas I've really only seen Rumple care about what Belle can do for him. It's even more creepy going back and watching episodes, there are even more subtle abuse cues. There are heavy abuse overtones in his interactions with Regina, Belle and Bae as a child and it's interesting that the only time we've seen him apologize for the damage he's caused was in last night's episode and it was fake. So he knows the psychological damage he's caused but he's not interested in making amends for it.

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  59. Judy Smith21 April 2014 at 17:18

    I always got the idea that Cora knew the name, because Leopold mentioned it when he was talking about how he was to marry Eva, even though he had not met her. I am guessing he then supposedly chose Cora, but Eva stayed behind in order to fight for what believed she should have. Eva probably found out who Cora really was, by getting gossip from the area and then as we know eavesdropping on Cora with that other guy.

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  60. bridget21 April 2014 at 18:21

    can we talk about Robin and Regina? that last scene was so meaningful... Regina was Always my favourite and I totally understand her struggles and motivations... she has Always loved deeper than most of other characters and even heartless ( maybe she can't love) but she still FEELS a connection with her soulmate through her soul... they have chemistry that's for sure:)

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  61. inhighheels21 April 2014 at 19:13

    One of the possible explanations: magic. Cora could have used magic on Leopold and Eva, so that they both forgot who she was.
    As for her not being royalty, that's something the show has yet to address: how did Henry Sir loose his crown? There's no way of knowing at this point.

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  62. lichen264121 April 2014 at 19:33

    I loved this episode for the character development between Snow and Regina. I've been hoping they would one day make amends since I first saw "The Stable Boy" and now it's finally happening. They're coming to understand that they are both unfortunate victims of a jealous feud that started between their mothers long before either of them were born. And seeing Regina fiercely protecting Snow, especially against her own mother, was huge progression in their relationship and made me indescribably happy.


    Neither Eva nor Cora come out in a good light in this episode...and after seeing this Cora's deep hatred for Eva is understandable. Before I thought she was being kind of petty, but now I get it. Eva may have only told the truth but, unlike young Snow, she wasn't doing it for noble reasons. She told the prince so he would marry her instead and she could get rid of the competition. That said, Cora still lied to and was about to steal from the prince, to pay off the biological father to keep her secret. She didn't love him, she was marrying him for position and power. And her giving up her daughter is still all on her. Eva may have taken the initial chance at royalty away from her but she didn't force her to give up her baby. Cora, even before she took out her heart, chose power over love. She didn't give up Zelena to give her "her best chance" but because the chance of being royalty was more important to Cora than her own child. And it's not like she took her to another village or left her on someone's doorstep, she left her alone in the woods. It was by chance and baby luck that she wasn't killed with that tornado and was found by decent people instead of someone or something else. As for Leopold... I won't get into how creepy it is to knowingly marry the teenage daughter of the woman you nearly married 20 years ago...


    I actually loved the kiss between Robin Hood and Regina at the end. Mainly because I just want Regina to be happy and it's a sign that she's opening up to the idea of love again. Robin Hood has shown that he can be trusted with how hard he fought to protect her heart.


    Also Emma being giddy with magic was kind of adorable. It was nice to see her finally embracing it.

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  63. lichen264121 April 2014 at 19:49

    For me, it's not that Eva told the truth, it's why she told the prince that makes her look bad. She was jealous and wanted to get rid of the competition. Also it strongly came across that she already looked down on Cora for being a commoner. If you add that scene to the one where she intentionally tripped Cora in front of the king to humiliate her, it doesn't paint her in a good light. As for Snow apologizing to Regina, that's something Snow felt she needed to do. Regina I don't think is there yet...but that she fiercely protected Snow against her own mother and that she did that for Snow and her baby's sake, and not because of Henry, is a HUGE improvement in their relationship.

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  64. IraNiki21 April 2014 at 20:59

    After reading your comment it makes more sense. But still why Snow was so disappointed in her mother. Yes, Eva is not perfect. But she wasn't a villain. She only fought for her fiance using the truth. It's not so bad. It is nothing compared to Cora's actions or Regina's.

    I hope, someday Regina will apologize to Snow for everything she has done to her.

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  65. gladius21 April 2014 at 22:22

    THAT STUPID SNOW said that cora gave up zelena because of snow's mother! Cora wanted to trick a man into marriage not because of love but because she wanted to be somebody important. After the wedding she would make him think she is with their child. And thats ok? What was snow's mother suppossed to do? Then Regina told something about darkness in snow's mother life/heart...

    Making bad people look good and good look guilty is a trend in this show.
    Cora did not have to leave her child. She could have kept her. Nobody forced her to leave a child to die in the woods.

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  66. Kristin C.21 April 2014 at 23:13

    I was just doing a refresher on that article on tvline about the family tree growing 2 spaces by the end of the season. I am curious as to who the other person is that will be revealed to be related to someone. This ep was great. Rose McGowan is always a fantastic young Cora. I thought it funny when Emma was practicing magic in the diner. I am glad she is embracing who she always has been. I loved the Snow/Regina scenes. They are sooo close to becoming besties! I turned my head away when Rumple & Zelena kissed. Ewww! I wonder if Walsh will ever get turned back into human form by the end of season 3? I am with Snow on wondering what made Eva become the nice person Snow always knew. I wonder if that Jonathan guy will appear again? Can't wait to find out why Zelena wants the baby!

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  67. lichen264121 April 2014 at 23:17

    I think it's the kind of loss of innocence when a child realizes their parent isn't perfect. Snow was so very young when she lost her mother, and we know she highly looked up to her and I'm sure heard nothing but great things about her. So I imagine finding out that the most important lessons her mother gave her in life (to always keep goodness in your heart, everyone deserves to be treated with love and respect, and that being royalty doesn't make you better than everyone else) are ones that her mother initially didn't follow herself had to be a bit disappointing. And that while Cora giving up Zelena was completely Cora's fault, Eva still played a part in it and Zelena was just the tragic victim. But you're right, it doesn't compare to Cora or Regina's actions. Cora managed to destroy both her daughter's lives in her thirst for power (and countless others). And, yes Regina also has a lot to make up for and I'm glad to see she's finally working on it, and not just to redeem herself with Henry. She's finally trying to get back to that sweet innocent girl who loved a stable boy and risked her life to save a little girl she didn't know.


    I think in her own way Regina is apologizing by trying to make amends with Snow and actually trying to understand her side of it. But I too hope that one day she will actually say the words to her. Like I said, I don't think she's there yet. Regina only recently agreed to bury the hatchet between them and neither of them remember their last year in the EF.

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  68. playdoc22 April 2014 at 04:36

    This was such a great episode. There was a lot to like. The highlight for me was the character development for Regina and Snow. The actresses are great scene partners, always engaging, and quite electrifying. I'm glad they have the characters being so smart too, with each one figuring out different parts of the curse (ie, Belle discovering what curse the ingredients are for, Regina and Snow surmising how each of them might have never been born if this curse is successful, Charming realizing right away that the missing ingredient is the baby, etc.).

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  69. MLM22 April 2014 at 06:15

    The show may be writing them that way but there certainly is no build up or due diligence on the writers part. The most complicated character on the show, the one with the most backstory and development and they just throw a soulmate at her and after 2 scenes she gives him her physical heart then 3 scenes later, she kisses him. Nah, not buying that.

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  70. MLM22 April 2014 at 06:17

    The shows creator said it on Twitter.

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  71. gladius22 April 2014 at 09:11

    yeah, that terrible Eva told the prince that a woman whom he loves is pregnand and the father is some random guy she met in a tavern...How could she destroy that perfect love between the prince and cora! Cora just wanted to be queen and make the prince to raise the child being unaware that she is not his daughter...terrible Eva. There is darkness in her heart. She is even worse than cora, telling the truth about some easy peasant woment is so wrong.

    I dont get why they stated in the show that Eva forced Cora to give up the baby, that were the words the writers put into snow's mouth...

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  72. lichen264123 April 2014 at 02:05

    Umm...where in my post did I ever say that I agreed with what Cora was doing? I said neither or them came out in a good light. And I sure as hell never said that Eva was worse than Cora, good grief no. I consider Cora one of the two worst villains in the entire franchise if you really want to know how I feel about her. I've never agreed with a single thing she's ever done, with or without her heart. And abandoning her infant daughter alone in the woods is absolutely despicable. I was happy to see her meet her demise last season. But I'm not letting Eva off the hook either. It's not that Eva told the truth, its why she even there to hear that secret. She was in the garden that day spying on Cora. Eva was a spoiled little brat who was jealous that another woman, especially one of lower birth status had usurped her position. All the important life lessons she taught young Snow right before she died, were lessons she didn't follow herself back then. It was clear she already looked down on Cora for being a commoner and she was in the garden trying to find dirt on Cora to break off the engagement, so that the prince would go back to marrying her and she would become queen. It just turned out that it was a good thing Eva spied on her because Cora was playing Leopold and she had a major secret. All I'm saying is, she did all that with the worst of intentions, it just ended up working out for the better. I get why Cora hated her so much, but again I never said I agreed with it. And Eva changed for the better after that. She learned the error of her ways. She became a kind, generous and just queen and a wonderful mother. Which are things that sure as hell can't be said about Cora. Cora only became worse. She became so ruthless in her desire for power that she removed her heart when she actually fell in love so that it wouldn't get in the way. But even if she had kept it, I doubt she would have become any better. For one thing, she was in love with the Dark One. Cora destroyed the lives of nearly everyone she came in contact with, especially her own daughters. Eva was just a spoiled little princess who grew up and became a better person.


    As far as Snow saying what she did, we don't know how much she exactly saw. She was seeing a vision through Cora's ghost, so you can bet that she really only saw it through Cora's point of view and you can also bet that Cora made Eva look as bad as possible in those visions. And of course Cora feels like Eva forced her to give up the baby. Cora doesn't take responsibility for anything she does and somehow she always manages to avoid the blame too. Also, as far as Zelena is concerned, it is Eva's fault that her mother abandoned her, because Eva telling her mother's secret is the one variable she has to change so that Leopold marries her mother and her mother keeps her, which will give Zelena the life she wanted.

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  73. Thomas Mech27 April 2014 at 10:46

    I have a question. If they try to talk to the dead Cora and Cora died at the age of...what....40? Why has the ghost the appearance of young Cora? Doesn't make sense. Aside from that, solid episode, but I miss the suspense from the first two seasons

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