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You've convinced me to watch Alias (which has been on my must watch list for years) with all your references. I will make sure to watch it on my next hiatus.
The first 2 seasons of Alias are among the best television in history, but unfortunately, the next 3 are very inconsistent in their quality (and not nearly as good overall). The second half of the final season is incredible, but then they ruin it with one hell of a wretched series finale. 7 years later, I think I still haven't gotten over it...
Thanks for your input. I will still give it a try though. As for the series finale, I am a strange person in those regards. "The End" from Lost is probably still my favorite episode of the show, I loved the finale. I also didn't hate the finale from Dexter nearly as much as people did, even though I had some issues with some of the things too. I tend to like it a lot for the the characters' journeys and not so much plot resolution, so I often myself in the different side from the majority of people (not even sure if that is the case of Alias, just saying)
Hmmm. The series finale of Alias had quite a few problems, but the #1 flaw that infuriated the fandom was a mixture of plot and characterization. Without spoiling too much, let's just say they were supposed to resolve a certain character's story, and what they did was pretty much last-minute character assassination that made zero sense and strayed completely from what came before. It's really a shame.
But I do't wish to dissuade you from watching, of course. Whatever ended up happening, this show still had some of the most exciting action sequences, jaw-dropping plot twists, complex characterization & relationships, and brilliant acting I've seen. Jennifer Garner owned this role, but her two wingmen, Victor Garber and Ron Rifkin, were possibly even better (that Garber didn't walk out of this show with an Emmy is nothing short of a crime). And in Season 2, there's also the wonderful Lena Olin. So for someone who likes the espionage sub-genre, Alias is a must-see.
Present: 1. John Reese (Jim Caviezel) from Person of Interest 2. Harold Finch (Michael Emerson) from Person of Interest 3. Annie Walker (Piper Perabo) from Covert Affairs 4. Eyal Lavine (Oded Fehr) from Covert Affairs 5. Carrie Matheson (Claire Danes) from Homeland
Past: 1. Noah Bennett (Jack Coleman) from Heroes 2. Julian Sark (David Anders) from Alias 3. Michael Samuel (Roy Dupuis) from La Femme Nikita 4. Jarod (Michael T Weiss) from The Pretender 5. Nikita (Peta Wilson) from La Femme Nikita 6. Sidney Bristow (Jennifer Garner) from Alias 7. Nina Meyers (Sarah Clarke) from 24 8. Christopher Chance (Mark Valley) from Human Target 9. James West (Robert Conrad) Wild Wild West 10. Robert McCall (Edward Woodward) from The Equalizer
The problem with Alias is the writers were constantly fighting with the network. They wanted more serialization and the network wanted the opposite. My favorite seasons are 1, 3, 5, 2, and 4. -Season 3 is VERY Fringe-ish in atmosphere (seriously episode 3x09), but season 4 takes that away a bit as it gets more procedural again, although we get into meeting Nadia.
I think Alias was suppose to go down a time travel road (Ex "Project Black Hole"), but never gets there. It has an ending similar to other Bad Robot endings in terms of there being a few silver linings and things to chew on, despite that it's bittersweet. And there is something in Alias' ending you might recognize a similitude to Revolution's season 1 finale (and MI:GP)...
Also: Alias episode "The Truth Takes Time" parallels Revolution episode "Home"...(Dickson, EMma/EMily, helicopter enemy escape scene...) and the Revolution episode "Kashmir" has subject matter commonalities with "The Passage pt 2" (This Alias episode literally takes place in Kashmir and there are landmines...)
Personally I do not think the episodic versus serial style was the main problem. I think it was the 2 year time jump that was the beginning of the downturn. Also introduction of the "Fringe-y" elements in Season 3. Most people I know that stopped watching stopped during Season 3 for those 2 reasons.
As an espionage series ALIAS was awesome, but as a SciFi spy series it was just okay to me.
I need to do a re-watch some time... It will be interesting to see how my opinion of the series has evolved years later. I really lost interest in the show the last 3 seasons. I quit watching once and caught up to watch the final season as it aired.
I do think the Networks mirrored a lot of fans of the time in the anti-fringe Milo Rambaldi stuff, but IMO it is what sets Alias apart from all other spy series and IMO Abrams was ahead of his time. He really has a niche for genre bending...
Season 5 I loved simply for the additional cast members: Rachel Nicolas, Balthazar Ghetty, Amy Acker, Sonia Braga, Elodie Boochez, Tyrees Allen, and the return of Gina Torres!!
There was an interview I read sometime in the past 2 yrs where J.J. Abrams points out that he did have to fight the network for Rambaldi and serialization. Greg Grunberg also did an early season 4 interview where he also states as much in trying to promote the upcoming season. (It's also why LOST's pitch was also anti-serialization/shorty story concept... and if you notice Bad Robot has not come back with a show on ABC since)
Season 3 I loved the time lapse, the way tings work out in terms of Sydney's memory and Agent Kendall, and the whole deal with Lazerey and how it tied into Stark's story line.
For me the Bad Robot elements are what made me lose interest in Alias. I wanted serialization, but espionage and not the SciFi aspects. I do agree that it was ahead of its time that way, but it was not what I personally was looking for.
I did not mind the time lapse itself so much as what ABC brought with it, the love triangle and other more soapy elements. You could definitely see the network/ Bad Robot struggle in Season 3. ABC pushing one direction and BR trying go another route and for me it made for a real mess even if it did have elements I liked. Sadly, as I recall I honestly disliked most of the compromises that both ABC and BR made in that struggle.
For me the story almost always comes first before the characters. I cannot watch a series if I do not like where the story is going even if I do like the characters. However, if I like the story I usually can watch whether or not I like the characters.
I agree, the Rambaldi storyline was completely wrong for the show. It should never have gone in a supernatural direction. If they had to have a MacGuffin of some sort in the show, they could've always had the various spy agencies chase a brilliant invention that *didn't* involve green goo, giant red balls, zombies, ancient prophecies and all that. I was completely on the writers' side (as opposed to the network) in terms of serialization, but I don't think THAT should have been the overarching storyline.
A lot of other things went wrong in the later seasons, too. Sydney falling to pieces over Vaughn, her boyfriend of a few months, having married someone else, when she got over Danny's DEATH much more quickly and channeled her grief into taking SD-6 down. Far blander, less interesting characters like Nadia and Lauren. The dumbing-down of the storyline (J.J. can deny it all he wants, but the first season and a half were much more complex, after that it was mostly Good CIA vs. Evil Terrorists). Obviously, some things the writers couldn't control, like Lena Olin being unavailable for Season 3, but still.
I absolutely love Person of Interest, and I know that I coulda chose 3 options, but I just couldn't choose any other than CHUCK! This show was one of the most complete-package shows ever, it had drama, comedy, suspense, terror, action (lots of action), sci-fi, romance, I mean, everything. And Chuck was also a complete-package character! I mean, IMO, it was one the greatest shows ever! I miss it so much!
Nikita from La Femme Nikita, Sydney from Alias, Carrie from Homeland, Sarah and Chuck from Chuck and MacGyver (he was kind of a spy), Jack Bauer from 24 and I really liked the Avengers (British TV show) when I was a kid.
i voted for Harold Finch & John Reese (Person of Interest) but i'd like to add Nikita, Michael and Walter (La Femme Nikita) and Michael Westen (Burn Notice)
(Very late reply, I randomly went back to this poll) Spy Daddy was the biggest badass in the history of TV, period. Seven years later, I've yet to see a character I would be more terrified to f*ck with than Jack Bristow. Never mind hurting a hair on Sydney's head...
I'm a bit late for the party. My choices are the same with your 3rd and 1st ones. Last pick was harder and I was tending between The Americans couple and Carrie but in the end I decided to give it the moraly ambigous Russians.
If only the original on USA Network had the stunt coordinator and stunt budget of the CW version!
I will admit the action scenes on CW's Nikita are awesome and usually much better than the original's.Although, sometimes the forced low budget of the original made for some creatively brilliant scenes.
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Chuck Bartowski ِALL THE WAY.
ReplyDeleteI've voted for Nikita, the Jennings and the POI duo. The POI duo really is my favorite. Honorable mention goes to Annie Walker and to Carrie Mathison.
ReplyDeleteNikita Wirth and Michael Samuelle (La Femme Nikita)
ReplyDeleteYay, my poll!
ReplyDeleteVoted for Nikita, Sydney and the PoI duo.
Yeah, i miss Chuck :(
ReplyDeleteChuck, hands down. The first two seasons were amazing!
ReplyDeleteI voted for Carrie Mathison, Jack Bauer and the Jennings.
ReplyDeleteChuck and Sydney
ReplyDeleteSydney Bristow - ALIAS!
ReplyDeleteHarold & John, Sidney, and Jack Bauer
ReplyDeleteJack Bauer <3
ReplyDeleteAlso, Carrie Matthison.
Carrie (Homeland) and Sydney (Alias) were the first two I thought of.
ReplyDeletePerson of Interest. .All the way
ReplyDeleteVoted for Nikita (of course), Chuck, and Sydney. It makes me happy they're currently leading this poll.
ReplyDeleteWOW. Nikita, Chuck and Alias have 74 votes.
ReplyDeleteChuck and Sydney. I miss Chuck.
ReplyDeleteIt will be interesting to see the poll in a few hours as people wake up and vote.
ReplyDeleteSydney! So glad Alias is on Netflix
ReplyDeleteJack Bauer (24) & Sydney Bristow (Alias)
ReplyDeleteu read my mind :) awsome
ReplyDeleteMichael Westen (Burn Notice). I love him and that show so much!
ReplyDeleteSydney Bristow!
ReplyDeleteHonorable Mentions: POI Gang, Carrie Mitheson and the original La Femme Nikita.
Finch and Reese (Person of Interest), Nikita (Nikita), and Michael (Burn Notice).
ReplyDeleteYou've convinced me to watch Alias (which has been on my must watch list for years) with all your references. I will make sure to watch it on my next hiatus.
ReplyDeleteThe first 2 seasons of Alias are among the best television in history, but unfortunately, the next 3 are very inconsistent in their quality (and not nearly as good overall). The second half of the final season is incredible, but then they ruin it with one hell of a wretched series finale. 7 years later, I think I still haven't gotten over it...
ReplyDeleteA lot of them but most memorably, Annie Walker. Chuck, Finch and Harold, Jake from Jake 2.0.
ReplyDeleteI try to include shows I don't watch as well (or else the list would be pretty short), but I tend to forget some, in this case Burn Notice. Oh well.
ReplyDeleteThanks for your input. I will still give it a try though. As for the series finale, I am a strange person in those regards. "The End" from Lost is probably still my favorite episode of the show, I loved the finale. I also didn't hate the finale from Dexter nearly as much as people did, even though I had some issues with some of the things too. I tend to like it a lot for the the characters' journeys and not so much plot resolution, so I often myself in the different side from the majority of people (not even sure if that is the case of Alias, just saying)
ReplyDeleteHmmm. The series finale of Alias had quite a few problems, but the #1 flaw that infuriated the fandom was a mixture of plot and characterization. Without spoiling too much, let's just say they were supposed to resolve a certain character's story, and what they did was pretty much last-minute character assassination that made zero sense and strayed completely from what came before. It's really a shame.
ReplyDeleteBut I do't wish to dissuade you from watching, of course. Whatever ended up happening, this show still had some of the most exciting action sequences, jaw-dropping plot twists, complex characterization & relationships, and brilliant acting I've seen. Jennifer Garner owned this role, but her two wingmen, Victor Garber and Ron Rifkin, were possibly even better (that Garber didn't walk out of this show with an Emmy is nothing short of a crime). And in Season 2, there's also the wonderful Lena Olin. So for someone who likes the espionage sub-genre, Alias is a must-see.
I will let you know how it went for me then ;) Even though it will take me a while to get to it, too much to watch at the moment!
ReplyDeletePresent:
ReplyDelete1. John Reese (Jim Caviezel) from Person of Interest
2. Harold Finch (Michael Emerson) from Person of Interest
3. Annie Walker (Piper Perabo) from Covert Affairs
4. Eyal Lavine (Oded Fehr) from Covert Affairs
5. Carrie Matheson (Claire Danes) from Homeland
Past:
1. Noah Bennett (Jack Coleman) from Heroes
2. Julian Sark (David Anders) from Alias
3. Michael Samuel (Roy Dupuis) from La Femme Nikita
4. Jarod (Michael T Weiss) from The Pretender
5. Nikita (Peta Wilson) from La Femme Nikita
6. Sidney Bristow (Jennifer Garner) from Alias
7. Nina Meyers (Sarah Clarke) from 24
8. Christopher Chance (Mark Valley) from Human Target
9. James West (Robert Conrad) Wild Wild West
10. Robert McCall (Edward Woodward) from The Equalizer
YAY!!!!! XD
ReplyDeleteI hope you'll like it.
Chuck Bartowski and as "Others" Sarah Walker.
ReplyDeletePOI duo was my 3rd choice because I didn't read Sydney Bristow...had I read her name before I might have chosen her over Reese/Finch.
I also thought about including Mick Schtopell (Carlos Rota) from La Femme Nikita!
ReplyDeleteI loved that character!!! XD
So many good characters on that show, so much better than the CW version.
Nikita, Reese/Finch and Jack Bauer.
ReplyDeletePast favourite:- Illya Kuryakin. Man from Uncle.
ReplyDelete< o >
ReplyDeleteThe problem with Alias is the writers were constantly fighting with the network. They wanted more serialization and the network wanted the opposite. My favorite seasons are 1, 3, 5, 2, and 4. -Season 3 is VERY Fringe-ish in atmosphere (seriously episode 3x09), but season 4 takes that away a bit as it gets more procedural again, although we get into meeting Nadia.
ReplyDeleteI think Alias was suppose to go down a time travel road (Ex "Project Black Hole"), but never gets there. It has an ending similar to other Bad Robot endings in terms of there being a few silver linings and things to chew on, despite that it's bittersweet. And there is something in Alias' ending you might recognize a similitude to Revolution's season 1 finale (and MI:GP)...
Also: Alias episode "The Truth Takes Time" parallels Revolution episode "Home"...(Dickson, EMma/EMily, helicopter enemy escape scene...) and the Revolution episode "Kashmir" has subject matter commonalities with "The Passage pt 2" (This Alias episode literally takes place in Kashmir and there are landmines...)
I miss Michael Weston.
ReplyDeleteChuck Bartowski, Sarah Walker and John Casey.
ReplyDeletePersonally I do not think the episodic versus serial style was the main problem. I think it was the 2 year time jump that was the beginning of the downturn. Also introduction of the "Fringe-y" elements in Season 3. Most people I know that stopped watching stopped during Season 3 for those 2 reasons.
ReplyDeleteAs an espionage series ALIAS was awesome, but as a SciFi spy series it was just okay to me.
I need to do a re-watch some time...
It will be interesting to see how my opinion of the series has evolved years later. I really lost interest in the show the last 3 seasons. I quit watching once and caught up to watch the final season as it aired.
had to go with Nikita, Jack B, and the POI crew
ReplyDeleteSydney Bristow. Loved her in Alias!
ReplyDeleteAnnie Walker in Covert Affairs
John Reese and Harold Finch in POI.
also
Eyal Lavine in Covert Affairs wish he became a regular or got his own show!
Jack Bauer - 24
Michael Weston & Fi.okay the whole cast.
Definitely Sydney! I'm starting to itch for another re-watch!
ReplyDeleteNikita!
ReplyDeleteOh god,i loved this show! Yeah,it ran afoul at times but what show doesn't? Fabulous 1st season.
ReplyDeleteMaxwell Smart and 99
ReplyDeleteFinch/Reese, Chuck, and Nikita. I would've also included Jack Bauer but he's not really a spy, just a bad ass.
ReplyDeleteI do think the Networks mirrored a lot of fans of the time in the anti-fringe Milo Rambaldi stuff, but IMO it is what sets Alias apart from all other spy series and IMO Abrams was ahead of his time. He really has a niche for genre bending...
ReplyDeleteSeason 5 I loved simply for the additional cast members: Rachel Nicolas, Balthazar Ghetty, Amy Acker, Sonia Braga, Elodie Boochez, Tyrees Allen, and the return of Gina Torres!!
There was an interview I read sometime in the past 2 yrs where J.J. Abrams points out that he did have to fight the network for Rambaldi and serialization. Greg Grunberg also did an early season 4 interview where he also states as much in trying to promote the upcoming season. (It's also why LOST's pitch was also anti-serialization/shorty story concept... and if you notice Bad Robot has not come back with a show on ABC since)
Season 3 I loved the time lapse, the way tings work out in terms of Sydney's memory and Agent Kendall, and the whole deal with Lazerey and how it tied into Stark's story line.
For me the Bad Robot elements are what made me lose interest in Alias.
ReplyDeleteI wanted serialization, but espionage and not the SciFi aspects. I do agree that it was ahead of its time that way, but it was not what I personally was looking for.
I did not mind the time lapse itself so much as what ABC brought with it, the love triangle and other more soapy elements. You could definitely see the network/ Bad Robot struggle in Season 3. ABC pushing one direction and BR trying go another route and for me it made for a real mess even if it did have elements I liked. Sadly, as I recall I honestly disliked most of the compromises that both ABC and BR made in that struggle.
For me the story almost always comes first before the characters. I cannot watch a series if I do not like where the story is going even if I do like the characters. However, if I like the story I usually can watch whether or not I like the characters.
Me too. I had all the seasons on DVD, but lent them to a friend......I need to get them back soon.
ReplyDeleteyou are gonna love it!! It´s a great show, enjoy!!
ReplyDeleteYou need to get them back! Hurry! ;)
ReplyDeleteI´m pretty sure that once you start watching, you are gonna keep watching....so wait till you have the time. :-)
ReplyDeleteI agree, the Rambaldi storyline was completely wrong for the show. It should never have gone in a supernatural direction. If they had to have a MacGuffin of some sort in the show, they could've always had the various spy agencies chase a brilliant invention that *didn't* involve green goo, giant red balls, zombies, ancient prophecies and all that. I was completely on the writers' side (as opposed to the network) in terms of serialization, but I don't think THAT should have been the overarching storyline.
ReplyDeleteA lot of other things went wrong in the later seasons, too. Sydney falling to pieces over Vaughn, her boyfriend of a few months, having married someone else, when she got over Danny's DEATH much more quickly and channeled her grief into taking SD-6 down. Far blander, less interesting characters like Nadia and Lauren. The dumbing-down of the storyline (J.J. can deny it all he wants, but the first season and a half were much more complex, after that it was mostly Good CIA vs. Evil Terrorists). Obviously, some things the writers couldn't control, like Lena Olin being unavailable for Season 3, but still.
I don't watch any of those shows or really had. I did see alittle bit of Sydney Bristow when I was young so I voted for Alias.
ReplyDeleteWhen you were young?! Alias is that old? Wow, or maybe I am. I like all of these in the poll... one for each!
ReplyDeleteNikita as played by Peta Wilson on La Femme Nikita
ReplyDeleteSame.
ReplyDeleteI was 10-11 when it finished, the others seems okay I just don't watch it. I'm sure your not that old :)
ReplyDeleteOhhh God, I miss Chuck!
ReplyDeleteCHUCK! I miss him so much :( Sydney Bristow was also one of my very favorites.
ReplyDeleteLove my PoI, but I have to go with Sidney Bristow; Jennifer Garner really sold that role, and the show was really about her.
ReplyDeleteAhah thanks for that advice!
ReplyDeletePhilip and Elizabeth, The Americans for SURE! They are awesome to say the least.
ReplyDeleteI absolutely love Person of Interest, and I know that I coulda chose 3 options, but I just couldn't choose any other than CHUCK! This show was one of the most complete-package shows ever, it had drama, comedy, suspense, terror, action (lots of action), sci-fi, romance, I mean, everything. And Chuck was also a complete-package character! I mean, IMO, it was one the greatest shows ever! I miss it so much!
ReplyDeleteOther: Robert Wagner and David McCallum--The Man from UNCLE. (Showing my age here)
ReplyDeleteNikita for sure! Have not really watched any other spy shows actually so she has set the bar pretty high for me.
ReplyDeleteNikita from La Femme Nikita, Sydney from Alias, Carrie from Homeland, Sarah and Chuck from Chuck and MacGyver (he was kind of a spy), Jack Bauer from 24 and I really liked the Avengers (British TV show) when I was a kid.
ReplyDeleteSarah Walker - Chuck
ReplyDeleteThere's only one Sydney Bristow... God, I miss this show, it was awesome ! And Spydaddy was the greatest dad i've seen in a series.
ReplyDeletei voted for Harold Finch & John Reese (Person of Interest) but i'd like to add Nikita, Michael and Walter (La Femme Nikita) and Michael Westen (Burn Notice)
ReplyDeleteomg i can't believe i forgot Jarod!!! of course! :D awesome show!
ReplyDeleteummm Sarah Walker
ReplyDeleteVoted for: Nikita, Jack and the awesome POI duo Harold Finch & John Reese
ReplyDelete(Very late reply, I randomly went back to this poll) Spy Daddy was the biggest badass in the history of TV, period. Seven years later, I've yet to see a character I would be more terrified to f*ck with than Jack Bristow. Never mind hurting a hair on Sydney's head...
ReplyDeleteI'm a bit late for the party. My choices are the same with your 3rd and 1st ones.
ReplyDeleteLast pick was harder and I was tending between The Americans couple and Carrie but in the end I decided to give it the moraly ambigous Russians.
Ah,those sneaky Russians! I had forgotten all about them.
ReplyDeleteIf only the original on USA Network had the stunt coordinator and stunt budget of the CW version!
ReplyDeleteI will admit the action scenes on CW's Nikita are awesome and usually much better than the original's.Although, sometimes the forced low budget of the original made for some creatively brilliant scenes.