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Metered Market Thursday Ratings
CBS Loses Steam Minus an Original “The Big Bang Theory”
Thursday 10/31/13
Metered Market Results
Household
Rating/Share
ABC 5.9/10
CBS 5.9/10
NBC 3.1/ 5
Fox 2.0/ 3
CW 1.4/ 2
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-Percent Change from Year-Ago Evening – Thursday 11/01/12:
NBC: no change, CW: -18, CBS: -31, ABC: -32, Fox: -57
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-Winners:
“The Big Bang Theory” R (CBS), “The Millers” (CBS), “Grey’s Anatomy” (ABC), “Scandal” (ABC)
-Honorable Mention:
“Saturday Night Live”: SNL Halloween (NBC), “The Crazy Ones” (CBS)
-Losers (excluding repeats):
“The X Factor” (Fox), “Sean Saves the World” (NBC), “The Michael J. Fox Show” (NBC), “Parenthood” (NBC)
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-Ratings Breakdown:
ABC and CBS topped this Halloween Thursday in the household overnights, but the steep year-to-year erosion for the Eye net is a reflection of “The Big Bang Theory” not being an original telecast. Similar deterioration for ABC was due to “The 46th Annual CMA Awards” airing on the year-ago evening.
The first of two encore telecasts of aforementioned “The Big Bang Theory” opened with a dominant 7.2 rating/13 share at 8 p.m., which led into an also first-place 6.0/10 for “The Millers” at 8:30 p.m. Although “The Millers” dropped by 10 percent from one week earlier (6.7/11 on Oct. 24), improved retention out of “the Big Bang Theory” last night of 83 percent (versus just 60 percent last week) makes the recent full season episode order the correct decision by CBS. As for Carol Miller, who is a combination of “Maude” and “Hazel”…do not mess with her!
Episode six of CBS’ “The Crazy Ones” also lost some steam minus the original “Big Bang Theory” 8 p.m. anchor support, but a second-place 5.1/ 9 at 9 p.m. was compatible out of “The Millers.” And a second repeat of “The Big Bang Theory” followed with an identical 5.1/ 9 (#2) at 9:30 p.m. Sheldon, Leonard and company are always worth revisiting, aren’t they?
Sophomore drama “Elementary” capped off the evening for CBS with a second-place 5.9/10 in the overnights at 10 p.m., which trailed competing “Scandal” on ABC (#1: 6.8/12) by 13 percent. “Elementary,” which has garnered impressive DVR usage this season, dipped by 16 percent in the overnights year-to-year.
Earlier in the evening on ABC was the annual encore airing of “It’s the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown” tied for second at 8 p.m. with a 4.1/ 7, followed by reliable “Grey’s Anatomy” at a dominant 6.7/11 from 9-10 p.m.
NBC got a boost in the 8 p.m. hour care of the 4.1/ 7 (#2t) for the “Saturday Night Live” Halloween special, which lifted the network to its best non-sports overnight rating in the time period since “A White House Christmas” on Dec. 20, 2012 (5.7/ 9). But freshman comedies “Sean Saves the World” (#3: 2.8/ 5) and “The Michael J. Fox Show” (#3: 2.6/ 4) remained out of the competitive loop from 9-10 p.m. And a 2.5/ 5 (#3) for “Parenthood” at 10 p.m. is both surprising and disappointing given its slight momentum in the Tuesday 10 p.m. hour last season.
Fox, of course, was hoping for a seventh game in the “2013 World Series.” But since that did not happen, it filled this Halloween Eve with a “Meet the Top 12” edition of “The X Factor” (#4: 2.6/ 5), followed by a repeat of “Glee” at a mere 1.5/ 3 (#4) at 9 p.m. Is anyone really interested in “The X Factor” this season?
Over at The CW, “The Vampire Diaries” lost steam, as expected, with a 1.6/ 3 (#5) at 8 p.m. down by 11 percent from the 1.8/ 3 one week earlier. And episode three of lead-out period drama “Reign” dropped another one-tenth of a rating point to a 1.3/ 2 at 9 p.m. (#5), which last Thursday dipped from lead-in “The Vampire Diaries” by 38 percent among adults 18-49 (1.3/ 4 to 0.8/ 2). Three-week overnight track for “Reign”: 1.5/ 2 – 1.4/ 2 – 1.3/ 2. Of the three new CW dramas this fall, “The Originals,” no doubt, stands the greatest chance of a full-season renewal. Least likely to survive past this season is “Reign.”
Source: Nielsen Media Research
Source: Marc Berman@tvmediainsights
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"Good" for The Crazy Ones! Hope it will adjust up and stays above 2.3-2.5 rank
ReplyDeleteI hope Scandal and Elementary didn't fall. The household numbers look to be about the same but you never know
ReplyDeleteParenthood is dead :(
ReplyDeleteActually, based on the household numbers, Scandal was slightly up from last week. Even with Halloween, Scandal still dominated this week!
ReplyDeleteOh and I'm not sure why X-factor is considered a loser since it was slotted at the last minute
ReplyDeleteYeah you're right.They're both up 2 tenths so I hope this translate into a rise in the 18-49
ReplyDeleteWell Reign's dead I suppose. The only reason I could see to back them getting a full season would be if the full season was already a done deal when the show was picked up for series last april.
ReplyDeleteIf that's the case: heads at the CW will roll.
At this point Reign is a rock chained on theCWs leg, there's no denying that.
They have bigger issues tough (looking at you BatB and HoD)
Safe to say I'll be surprised of Reign gets a backnine order....borderline pissed off
HOD, BATB, TCD are doing worse. TTP got 0.6 rating and i guess Reign will get 0.6/or 0.5 too. Nikita will probably do worse too. So i guess its not that bad
ReplyDeleteWait, last week Reign had World Series as competition and yesterday was Halloween, how people could expect it to rise? I think networks should air repeats in the weeks of World Series, especially if they don't want the newcomers to lose potential fans.
ReplyDeleteI know theCW has lowered standarts but I don't see a new show performing at a 0.6 a good thing...even for theCW. Carrie Diaries airs on a friday so they have the benefit of the doubt.
ReplyDeleteBeauty and the Beast is dead anyway, I can't see theCW announcing a third season that'd equal them throwing money out of their HQs windows (wich wouldn't be a bad idea btw. I'd totally be there)
HoD might survive because of what's-her-faces fame (I have no idea what the leads name is but she's aparently pretty famous and theCW won't want to cut that connection) but not because of the ratings.
If a new show premieres and lowers to a 0,6 demo this can't possibly be good (sure a show doesen't reel in its biggest audience in its first season but these numbers are...bad).
I'm not perfect with ratings, I'll admit that, but these numbers just don't strike me as positive in any shape or form and scream 'kill me...I'm suffering' to me
I think it has a fighting chance. It's against revolution at this point IMO.
ReplyDeleteThe millers held relatively well w/o a new TBBT as a lead in. Happy that The Crazy Ones only dropped a little.
ReplyDeleteGrey's Anatomy, Scandal and Elementary all rose w/o the World Series.
NBC numbers are pitiful.
TTP got at 0.6 for its 4th epsiode, the 3rd episode got 0.7. Reign got a 0.6 for its 2nd epsiode.
ReplyDeleteRe: Hart of Dixie, I love Rachel Bilson ever since the OC but the CW would cancel HoD with or without her. Its renewal will be for syndication purposes, period. Rachel Bilson's connection has nothing to do with it.
ReplyDeleteRachel Bilson is the lead actress of Hart of Dixie :)
ReplyDeleteAbout Reign, last week it had as competition The World Series and yesterday was Halloween. How people could expect it to rise? I don't understand.
Something I've understood, though, is that many fans of The Vampire Diaries' fans are snob. No matter what series airs at 9 pm, a big part of them will not watch.
HOD will survive because of syndication
ReplyDeleteI think the World Series is depressing the cw's numbers, but if the cw aired repeats after 3 weeks (2 in reign's case) of originals, I can guarantee you that people would be here complaining.
ReplyDeleteHoD will make it because of syndication.
ReplyDeletethe world series and Reign don't have the same audience at all.
ReplyDeleteI am very surprised if those 10% for the millers actually hold in the demo, it would be very good. Important to note though that I expect a very high-end TBBT repeat, as in higher than 3.0, so it is still the best lead-in on the network if that's the case.
ReplyDeleteSo you think that all the people who watched Reign's pilot aren't fans of baseball?
ReplyDeleteMost likely.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I am surprised how well the first TBBT repeat did.
ReplyDeleteI hope CBS will realize The Crazy Ones needs to be switched with The Millers to give it the biggest chances to grow :)
ReplyDeleteWhen did the CW air a second repeat of Reign? anyway, I want the CW to air repeats, if this will help all the newcomers :) in the end all the repeats of the CW's newcomers obtained better results than a new episode of The Carrie Diaries.
ReplyDeleteDid you ask them all? I know Reign is probably most watched by girls than boys, but there are girls who like baseball, too, in case you didn't know.
ReplyDeleteTBBT usually does high 2s/ low 3s for repeats in its normal timeslot during normal tv season. Especially if there are originals around it.
ReplyDeleteSome numbers for last year:
18/4:3.1
11/4: 3.0
28/2: 2.8
24/1: 3.2
17/1: 3.2
27/12: 3.3
20/12: 2.9
You misunderstood me. I didn't say that the cw aired 2 repeats of Reign. I said that if the cw aired repeats instead of originals this week (because of world series and halloween) like you were asking for, people would complain that it was insane to put new shows on hiatus after 2 or 3 new airings. I tend to agree to be honest.
ReplyDeleteYes, sorry, I got it later, so I cancelled that part.
ReplyDeleteI agree, people always complain, but I think airing repeats anyway would have helped. Now who knows how many potential fans newcomers have lost =/
I think the World Series can kill the newcomers. I've noticed that the majority of sitcoms wasn't hurt by baseball, while the same can't be said about dramas.
While it may be true, I think that they can still recover okayish. Look at Arrow last year:
ReplyDeleteThis is a repeat of a comment I've posted elsewhere but:
I checked and last year Arrow lost steam with the World Series. It only had to face one game but the week afterwards was the per-halloween night in which the 8pm hour viewing is typically depressed. Last year, Arrow went from two straight 1.3s to a 1.1 facing the world series and then a 1.0 "facing" Halloween. It recovered to a 1.3 the following episode and would only hit a 1.0 again in episode 9. Supernatural was the same; it fell to 0.8 and 0.7 during the two weeks in question after two straight 1.0s and it would go back to the 1.0s after these two weeks.
It may not necessarily be representative, especially because, as always, with the CW, ratings information is often misleading, but I think we should disregard these two weeks' ratings when it comes to predicting trends for the shows.
Seeing that it dropped further this week, kinda proofs that.
ReplyDeleteIf you take a look at the percent change from a year-ago evening, you'll see NBC is the only network which didn't drop.
ReplyDeleteI meant from last week.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the informations :) and I really hope so, 'cause I like all the CW's newcomers.
ReplyDeleteI think they did for TCD and BatB last year, it didn't really help that much.
ReplyDeleteAlexis,Obviously Babar has no clue what he is talking about because unlike TTP it has an excuse this week because it was holiday and mostly every show drops.It will be up next week.
ReplyDeleteI know, I meant that Halloween day didn't and doesn't help the ratings.
ReplyDeleteThere's a first time for everything XD
ReplyDeleteMy point was that it's baseball and Reign don't share too much of an audience and quite a few new shows fall during their first month or so.
ReplyDeleteAnd besides Halloween, I think many fans of The Vampire Diaries are snob. Seriously. CW tried to air 5 series in 5 years at 9pm (Supernatural, Nikita, The Secret Circle, Beauty and The Beast and Reign), and all of them lost viewers and ratings.
ReplyDeleteMaybe, I know Supernatural and Arrow had repeats that did well, but that's because the shows themselves were already doing well.
ReplyDeleteScandal top markets : 3.4
ReplyDeleteScandal gets a 3.4 in the Top 25 Markets.
ReplyDeleteI haven't watched Reign but I am a big buyer on both The Originals and The Tomorrow People so I want the to do well! Also, I wish for the cw in general to do well.
ReplyDeleteDid The X-factor really got a 0.8?? I cannot believe that.
ReplyDeleteWell, it was a last minute addition to the schedule and it was a "special".
ReplyDeleteso it looks like Scandal and Greys are stable from last week. That's good
ReplyDeleteSo does that mean it's rating is 3.4? I thought it got a 2.9 for the week. I really need to understand the ratings system better.
ReplyDeleteWow, Grey's Anatomy is down two-tenths, tieing its series low with that 2.6. Didn't see it coming.
ReplyDeleteScandal is even from last week.
NO THE CRAZY ONES :'(
ReplyDeleteGrey's isn't. It dropped two tenths and tied it's series low.
ReplyDeleteReign and TTP just sealed in their Renewal both at .6 out of .8 lead in!
ReplyDeleteNo, early markets usually run high for ABC. Rating is 2.9. unless there's an adjustment later.
ReplyDeleteNOO! The Crazy Ones and TVD :/ The Vampire Diaries down half a point is crazy!! As much as I hate it because I adore TCO, this really makes the Monday comedies look good fr getting the same ratings against the voice. Scandal is a beast though, the only good news for me from this terrible terrible night.
ReplyDeleteStill, a 0.8 is beyond awful. A repeat of Bones would have likely done the same...
ReplyDeleteTerrible night indeed. GA tying it's series low.
ReplyDeleteElementary kind of a relief. Only dropped a tenth and up in viewers by almost a million. Halloween wasn't as horrific as I thought, but ouch re: the Crazy Ones. Sad about the Michael J. Fox show, for his sake.
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry about The Vampire Diaries, but at the same time, Wow, I'm happy about Reign :) I was afraid it got a lower rating, but considering everything, I think 0.6 is good. I just hope there won't be adjusting down for either The Vampire Diaries and Reign. Adjustings up are welcome.
ReplyDeleteLet's talk about a back order, before we discuss their renewal.
ReplyDeleteIt could adjust up, but still. As I expected though, the Halloween damage was most felt at 8, there was still some damage at 9 and 10pm was not touched or barely, which makes sense.
ReplyDeleteIf you read it before jumping to conclusion,you will see that it said pickup (Back Nine) instead of renewal.
ReplyDeleteThe thing is that I don't see how can they hand back-orders to both unless they are willing to later do 2 out of the 3: a) Send HoD to Fridays; b) Send Beauty and the Beast to Fridays; c) Send one out of TTP or Reign to Fridays. Because where else will they put the midseason shows?
ReplyDeleteI think they should hold on for one more week because between halloween and world series, these past two weeks were very atypical and likely not representative.
Reign and TTP just sealed in their Renewal both at .6 out of .8 lead in!
ReplyDeleteYou mean you edited your comment later?
I also read that earlier on.
ReplyDeleteI edited like 30 seconds later because i realized it had put in the wrong word.I still meant pickup.
ReplyDeleteI could see BatB on Fridays at mid season, but as for back orders, it could go either way.
ReplyDeleteThat's true, a 1.3 and a 1.4 aren't too far apart.
ReplyDeleteYes, but my point was that even if they send Beauty and the Beast to Fridays at midseason, that is not enough because it only frees up one slot for the 2 new dramas. Unless they they cancel TCD and move either TTP, Reign or HoD to Fridays midseason, in addition of moving Beauty, there is no room for the second new drama to debut, which is why I think backorders for all 3 newbies are unlikely.
ReplyDeleteI agree about this, first a back order. The season is long and anything could happen.
ReplyDeleteProbably, I guess they can put a new drama in for Reign if that's still a limited series or replace HoD and have that on Friday.
ReplyDeleteI am thinking either Reign or TTP will not get a back order. TO will definitely get one.
ReplyDeleteI think that i have read that they ordered only 13 or so episodes for TCD.
ReplyDeleteIt might be : Monday Hod/The 100, Tuesday TO/S, Wednesday A/TTP, Thursday TVD,Reign, and Friday SC/BATB
Can we get halves, please?
ReplyDeleteSince they're mid season shows, they're probably going to be a short 13 episodes or so, give or take.
ReplyDeleteIn addition, The Vampire Diaries aired at 10PM in New York City last night, so its ratings are subject to more than typical adjustments in the finals.
ReplyDeleteThe "Reign is a limited series" thing is a big rumour at this point lol. Nobody can figure it out and I am inclined to not believe it since they did order additional scripts... However, I agree with you that one of them will not get a back order. I have nothing against Reign but I pray that it is Reign and not TTP!
ReplyDeleteI don't think they would want to premiere a new show on Fridays, even though the SC an BATB pairing makes some sense in theory. I think it is more likely to be:
ReplyDeleteMonday: Star-Crossed/HOD
Tuesday: The Originals/Supernatural
Wednesdays: Arrow/TTP
Thursday: TVD/The 100
Friday: TCD/Beauty and the Beast or Beauty and the Beast/Repeats, depending on how committed they are to all original programming
No, I meant they (the mideasons) might only get a 13 episode second season, if they get renewed, like Sleepy Hollow.
ReplyDeleteI saw that on tv by the numbers too. Maybe we can hope for a scandalous two tenth adjustment upwards again?
ReplyDelete———-
ReplyDelete8:00 p.m.
ABC – It’s the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown (R)
Viewers: 7.31 million (#2), A18-49: 2.3/ 8 (#2)
CBS – The Big Bang Theory (R)
Viewers: 11.56 million (#1), A18-49: 2.5/ 9 (#1)
NBC – Saturday Night Live – SNL Halloween
Viewers: 5.55 million (#3), A18-49: 1.7/ 6 (#3)
Fox – The X Factor: Meet the Top 12
Viewers: 3.12 million (#4), A18-49: 0.8/ 3 (#4t)
CW – The Vampire Diaries
Viewers: 2.16 million (#5), A18-49: 0.8/ 3 (#4t)
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8:30 p.m.
ABC – It’s the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown (R)
Viewers: 6.60 million (#2), A18-49: 2.1/ 7 (#1)
CBS – The Millers
Viewers: 9.57 million (#1), A18-49: 2.0/ 7 (#2)
NBC – Saturday Night Live – SNL Halloween
Viewers: 5.46 million (#3), A18-49: 1.7/ 6 (#3)
Fox – The X Factor: Meet the Top 12
Viewers: 3.38 million (#4), A18-49: 0.8/ 3 (#4t)
CW – The Vampire Diaries
Viewers: 2.06 million (#5), A18-49: 0.8/ 3 (#4t)
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9:00 p.m.
ABC – Grey’s Anatomy
Viewers: 8.66 million (#1), A18-49: 2.6/ 8 (#1)
CBS – The Crazy Ones
Viewers: 8.06 million (#2), A18-49: 1.9/ 6 (#2)
NBC – Sean Saves the World
Viewers: 4.11 million (#3), A18-49: 1.2/ 4 (#3)
Fox – Glee (R)
Viewers: 2.05 million (#4), A18-49: 0.6/ 2 (#4t)
CW – Reign
Viewers: 1.59 million (#5), A18-49: 0.6/ 2 (#t)
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9:30 p.m.
ABC – Grey’s Anatomy
Viewers: 9.10 million (#1), A18-49: 2.7/ 8 (#1)
CBS – The Big Bang Theory (R)
Viewers: 8.39 million (#2), A18-49: 2.0/ 6 (#2)
NBC – The Michael J. Fox Show
Viewers: 3.61 million (#3), A18-49: 1.1/ 3 (#3)
Fox – Glee (R)
Viewers: 1.86 million (#4), A18-49: 0.6/ 2 (#4t)
CW – Reign
Viewers: 1.59 million (#5), A18-49: 0.6/ 2 (#t)
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10:00 p.m.
ABC – Scandal
Viewers: 9.23 million (#2), A18-49: 2.9/ 8 (#1)
CBS – Elementary
Viewers: 9.66 million (#1), A18-49: 1.6/ 5 (#2)
NBC – Parenthood
Viewers: 3.93 million (#3), A18-49: 1.3/ 4 (#3)
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10:30 p.m.
ABC – Scandal
Viewers: 9.22 million (#1, A18-49: 2.9/ 9 (#1)
CBS – Elementary
Viewers: 9.03 million (#2), A18-49: 1.6/ 5 (#2)
NBC – Parenthood
Viewers: 4.00 million (#3), A18-49: 1.3/ 4 (#3)
just posted in comments.
ReplyDeleteNope I pray that it is Reign and not TTP. With all those special effects the TTP use,it is secret circle 2.0
ReplyDeleteNo way the 100 is going after TVD,it is a male skewing show it will replace TTP.Arrow/The 100
ReplyDeleteMe too. I am enjoying TTP, and if only one of them gets a backorder, I really hope it is TTP and not Reign.
ReplyDeleteOr maybe they could send both BATB + HOD to Fridays and SC/The100 on Monday even through im not sure if its good strategy to pair 2 new shows, but i think they could do well together, and doubt it would be worse than BATB and HOD. I just really really hope that they give Reign at least 22 episodes, its amazing so far, and even through i love all 3 of their new shows, at this point i kinda hope that TTP will continue to decrease if it saves Reign.
ReplyDeleteI didn't watch TSC, so I don;t understand what you mean.
ReplyDeletePairing two new shows is not a good idea, indeed.
ReplyDeleteThe Flop People will be cancelled by the end of the season getting .6 and will probably drop in the spring so will TCD and BATB.Yeap i said it
ReplyDeleteCANCELLED
ReplyDeleteSo far it is still a likely renewal or, at worst, a high end bubble show.
ReplyDeleteOkay, it's comments like these that I hate. "The Flop People", seriously? It is doing better than Reign.
ReplyDeleteI know, but what does that have to do with special effects used in TTP?
ReplyDeleteMe too,Reign is way better than the horrible written,acting TTP!
ReplyDeleteEverything was ridiculously steady in the half hours last night. Only Grey's grew (hopefully, it is adjusted up). Even in viewers! Weird!
ReplyDeleteI am sure you didn't even watch TTP.
ReplyDeleteGO TTP love this show
ReplyDeleteI think he is implying that TSC got cancelled because it was more expensive than Hart of Dixie.
ReplyDeleteHmm. Elementary got a 1.6 in both half hours, so it's probably be adjusted down.
ReplyDeleteI don't watch Reign but you do know that period dramas tend to be amongst the more expensive dramas on TV, right? A google search will show you that. Just look for the budget of Pan Am for instance.
ReplyDeleteWhy do you feel the need to attack the other show when we are not doing this? You're rude
ReplyDeleteHmm, I googled and saw it on multiple sites that TCD was renewed for 13 episodes, but no official word from The CW.
ReplyDeleteActually they both scored a .6 this week.Reign is cheaper to make now and it is filmed in Canada.TTP uses so much special effects so if it stays at a .6 which is unlikely it will be cancelled.the Secret Circle didn't get a .6 until the spring so that's my point.Special effects are not cheap.
ReplyDeleteWell I think it would be good counter programming against the heavily female Grey's and Glee. Besides, the idea that any CW show is truly male skewing is a misconception.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.spottedratings.com/2009/08/gender-in-tv-ratings-in-conclusion.html
See how many shows on TV truly skew male.
You do know that you sound like a douche, right?
ReplyDeleteWould Reign be more expensive or at least the same as TTP?
ReplyDeleteThank you!Very kind of you!
ReplyDeleteRatings for both so far.
ReplyDeleteTTP: 0.9, 0.8, 0.7, 0.6
Reign: 0.8, 0.6. 0.6
So TTP is doing better, as it didn't hit a 0.6 until its fourth episode.
The problem is Reign pilot was filmed in Ireland and then it moved to canada to cut down cost.(Hence the cheap costumes)The problem with TTP is the special effects are very costly so it ratings continue to decline,it will be cancelled.
ReplyDeleteSo much wrong with your comment:
ReplyDelete1. Please provide data that shows that Reign is cheaper to make.
2. Special effects may not be that expensive especially when compared with filming a historical piece, which are typically amongst the most expensive shows to film. (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/pan-am-seasons-priciest-pilots-240157) $10 million for Pan Am's while the typical cost for a TV show is between $1.5 and $3. OUAT, a show with special effects, allegedly costs between $4 and $5. You can take the proportions of this to CW shows, but the relation is the same. I am not saying TTP is cheaper than Reign for sure, but you have no arguments to make Reign look cheaper either. For sure.
3. Comparing ratings from different seasons is ridiculous. A 0.6 from two seasons ago is equal to something like a 0.49 nowadays You need to take into account the rate of decline of the overall TV viewership.
I didn't even notice that. I don't recall ever seeing an instance in which a show averaged something lower on both half hours than it did in finals. How strange.
ReplyDeletePlease provide actual facts.
ReplyDeleteI think TVD has a nice chance of adjusting up considering there was a later airing yet to be added. I hope it's a miraculous 0.2 tenths like last week but it is doubtful considering how rare they are on the cw.
ReplyDeleteYeap declining every week is doing better,sure.I can't wait until the spring
ReplyDeleteLOL... The Tomorrow People was going against the World Series. Do you always make up lies when commenting?
ReplyDeleteThe problem is this the the cw not Abc so no way your information is correct.No way the cw is going to spend 10 million on Reign.if it was really expensive,no way it would order additional scripts for the show.
ReplyDeleteI don't think that's fair. Excluding Supernatural because it is an older show, it appears that most of the problems those shows had were organic problems with the shows:
ReplyDelete- Nikita lost viewers after moving from behind TVD (albeit to a friday), so if anything, TVD was still propping up its ratings. I think this was also an extremely incompatible pairing.
- The Secret Cirlce we never got a chance to see how it would do on its own
- Beauty and the Beast lost almost half of its ratings when moved away from TBBT, which shows that TVD was still propping it up like with Nikita
- Obviously we have no experience with Reign sans TVD.
My point is that no matter how little you think TVD was helping these shows, the sample we have suggests that TVD was still helping the shows!
Ok,keep making up excuses for a show that has been declining every week. .9,.8,.7,.6....need i say more?
ReplyDeleteI didn't say that. I said you should look at some proportional amounts!
ReplyDeleteLet's say Pan Am costed around 8 million per episode for ABC and OUAT arond 4 million per episode (I am using a historical show and a show with special effects). This means the cost of the historical one is the double of what it is for the special effects one. Even if you translate this to the CW universe in which the historical one would cost like 1.2 and the special effects something like 0.7 million, the relationship still stands.
Also, you are making a fool of yourself now: you say that if Reign was that expensive, they wouldn't have ordered more scripted. However, you claim that TTP is too expensive... yet they've ordered more scripts for it as well.
If you look at historical ratings, last year Arrow and Supernatural also declined when facing the world series. They went back up to its premiere level afterwards. It could or it could not happen with TTP (and Arrow itself) but you should ignore these ratings for the time being because it is possible that they are not representative of a trend (They weren't last year!)
ReplyDeleteIf it was really that expensive like i said before no way the cw would even order additional scripts.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.theloop.ca/showbiz/tv-guide/news/article/-/a/2621914/TCA-Toronto-castles-Reign-on-new-CW-show
You edited your comment then bitched at someone for discussing your original comment? Dick move dude.
ReplyDelete1. It was stable on its second week: it went from 1.084 million 18-49ers in week 1 to 1.079 million 18-49ers in week 2, which is a drop of less than 1%, well within margin of error. That is as stable as it gets. Rounding in this case is misleading, as is often the case with the cw.
ReplyDelete2. Week 3 and week 4 were facing the world series, so we have yet to see how the show will continue to perform under normal circumstances.
You're extremely annoying to talk with as you refuse to acknowledge facts (not opinions). I admit that Reign had a great showing last night holding up despite a much weaker TVD lead-in (although I would hold until finals before being definitive on this) and depressed viewing levels.
I don't know how to talk to you. You're not coherent and you don't listen to facts.
ReplyDelete1. I've said more than once: I am not trying to convince you of the absolute cost of either show because I have no way of knowing that, neither do you. I am just saying that, PROPORTIONALLY, historical pieces are more expensive than special effect ones. Therefore, it is likely that, if anything, Reign is the most expensive show. I doubt the differences are significant anyway, but still, claiming that TTP is by far more expensive with no data to back you up just takes away your credibility (you have none with me at this point anyway)
2. You keep saying "take the secret circle for example". Again, with no data. Are you trying to insinuate that the cost differential between TSC and HOD is the same as it is between TTP and Reign? Because to believe that Reign and Hod have the same type of costs is ludicrous.
3. I've explained to you already that the tomorrow people did not fall on week 2 when arrow went up. Your perception that it did is the result of rounding error. Look at actual viewers between 18-49 and see for yourself that the drop was less than 1%.
not necessarily no, it will eventually come down to how the rest of the line up does
ReplyDelete-The CW will likely opt for around 12 hours on scripted programming next season
-SPN, TVD, TO and Arrow will all be renewed barring any major disasters
-The CW will add 3 new dramas in the Fall and two at mid season
that means 9 spots are already taken leaving 3 for the rest of the line up to fight over?
That leaves HOD, Beauty, The Carrie Diaries, TTP, Reign, The 100 and Star Crossed and until we know how the mid season shows are going to perform we cant really even guess as to which of these shows will fill the rest of the line up.
At the moment only Carrie and Beauty are more likely to be cancelled.
it will be interesting to see how both do from here on out, the downward trajectory doesn't bode well for either. If I were MP I would give TO a back order asap and hold off for another 2 weeks before deciding on TTP and Reign, if they start hitting 0.5's or lower I would cancel both and replace them with the two mid season shows. There is no point continuing on with new shows if they're likely to be cancelled anyway at the end of the season and why waste the TVD and Arrow lead in's?
ReplyDeleteI'd say both are bubble shows
ReplyDeletemost likely I'd be surprised if it were more than that though
ReplyDeletePossibly if it does well.
ReplyDeleteIt's not as simple as that because 1) the midseason shows could do worse and 2) I think caution is necessary because the numbers are misleading especially when it comes to the tomorrow people. It only fell by less than 1% from week 1 to week 2 (that's as stable as it gets!) once you get past rounding. Yes, it then shred a tenth in each of the subsequent weeks but it was facing the world series in both. Last year, Arrow took a hit when facing the world series, as did supernatural, but both went back to its premiere levels once the world series and Halloween were over. Therefore, I say it is very hard to talk about a "trend" thus far, we need to wait for more "normal" ratings.
ReplyDeleteWhile I still think TTP is more pending to renewal, it is more of a personal opinion and I cannot substantiate that, I am fine with that classification too.
ReplyDeleteI don't care for either show but if I were someone with responsibility I'd axe both shows, just saying.
ReplyDeleteTTP is declining while Reign is a complete failure rating wise.
I didn't like the pilot of either show and wouldn't say either deserved 9 more episodes, especially since Reign looks expensive (not historically accurate mind you but expensive) and TTP like you said is on a constant downsing.
Putting "Flop" in the name of a show to mock its ratings? You definitely came here from TVbtN, didn't you?
ReplyDeleteYou can't compare The Secret Circle to TTP because ratings for most shows drop year-to-year. Otherwise, how would you explain the fact that TSC got cancelled with 0.6's and one 0.5, and BaTB got renewed when it was getting 0.5's all over the place? (Plus, TSC declined gradually over the season while BatB droppeed from 1.2 to 0.7 in Week 2 - ! - and never rose above 0.7 again. Heck, it rarely rose above 0.6 again.)
ReplyDeleteDidn't they debut Cult on Fridays last year? I'm not sure they have any more confidence in Star Crossed than they did with Cult.
ReplyDeleteThis stupid substitution of Flop in the titles of TV shows is one of the most annoying things on TVbtN. If you must be so juvenile, please take it back there. This site is beyond such tactics.
ReplyDeleteCult aired on Tuesdays but was shipped to Fridays just after two episodes. Star Crossed might last longer in its timeslot than Cult but I don't think it'll make it past this season.
ReplyDeleteThanks! You are right. I think Star Crossed has a chacne to be quite good. However people need to go into it realizing that this is nothing like Roswell. I liked the pilot and hope that it swings more into the socio-historical aspects than the alien love cliche. If that is the case, it will be a refreshing change for the CW.
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