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Ratings News - 15th November 2013

15 Nov 2013

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Today's Early Overnight Ratings

This table shows the early overnight ratings. These ratings are normally adjusted later in the day when all the ratings have been consolidated to take into account any local preemptions and/or overruns. You can find all the final adjusted numbers in our Ratings Database. (See the About section below for details about ratings)

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NBC, Fox numbers might be impacted by local market pre-emptions for football.



Early Ratings Analysis

The analysis below is based on the early household numbers and are NOT the same as the numbers that will be posted in the above table later. (See the About section below)

For more information on the Nielsen Ratings see this Wikipedia Entry.

NOTE: The opinions expressed here are NOT those of SpoilerTV but of the Author of this Article, Marc Berman.

Metered Market Thursday Ratings
CBS Down but Still Dominant; NBC an Embarrassment

Thursday 11/14/13
Metered Market Results

Household
Rating/Share
CBS 6.8/11
ABC 5.1/ 9
Fox 3.4/ 6
NBC 2.3/ 4
CW 1.6/ 3

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-Percent Change from Year-Ago Evening – Thursday 11/15/12:
ABC: no change, CW: – 6, NBC: -15, CBS: -23, Fox: -28

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-Winners:
“The Big Bang Theory” (CBS), “Grey’s Anatomy” (ABC), “Scandal” (ABC)

-Disappointing:
“The Millers” (CBS)

-Fading Fast:
“The X Factor” (Fox)

-Losers (excluding repeats):
“Once Upon a Time in Wonderland” (ABC), “Parks and Recreation” (NBC), “Sean Saves the World” (NBC), “The Michael J. Fox Show” (NBC), “Glee” (Fox), “Parenthood” (NBC)

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-Ratings Breakdown:
It was another Thursday overnight household victory for CBS thanks to “The Big Bang Theory,” which topped the night at 8 p.m. with an 11.5 rating/19 share. Comparably, that was three percent above the 11.2/18 on the year-ago evening. But lead-out “The Millers” slipped to a still dominant 6.8/11 at 8:30 p.m., which was 23 percent below year-ago occupant “Two and a Half Men” (8.8/14 on 11/15/12). And retention for “The Millers” out of “The Big Bang Theory” was only 59 percent (versus 79 percent for “Two and a Half Men” out of Sheldon, Leonard and company one year earlier). With weaker lead-in support, recent entry “The Crazy Ones” and relocated “Two and a Half Men” from 9-10 p.m. were down by 40 percent, on average, from year-ago occupant “Person of Interest” (9.3/15 on 11/15/12) in the overnights.

“The Crazy Ones,” featuring guest star Brad Garrett, finished second at 9 p.m. with a 5.4/ 9, which was 21 percent below lead-in “The Millers.” And “Two and a Half Men,” featuring a cameo by “Survivor” host Jeff Probst, followed with a 5.8/ 9 (#2) at 9:30 p.m., which was 34 percent below its year-ago telecast (out of “The Big Bang Theory”). While not a bust, CBS’ expanded Thursday 8-10 p.m. comedy block is still lacking.

At 10 p.m. on the Eye net was sophomore “Elementary” at a second-place 5.7/10, which was 20 percent below the 7.1/12 one year earlier.

On NBC, two episodes of sitcom “Parks and Recreation” returned after a three-week absence with an uneventful (and fourth-place) 2.3/ 4 at 8 p.m. and a 2.2/ 4 at 8:30 p.m. Minus the lead-in support from “The Voice” from 8-9 p.m. last week, “Sean Saves the World” slipped from a 3.3/ 5 to a 2.3/ 4 (#4) at 9 p.m., with “The Michael J. Fox Show” at a 2.1/ 3 at 9:30 p.m. In the very distant third-place spot at 10 p.m. was drama “Parenthood” at a 2.6/ 5. Note to NBC: this is a disaster and the upcoming return of sitcom “Community” is unlikely to help.

Over at second-place ABC, struggling “Once Upon a Time in Wonderland” matched its week-ago overnight performance, with a distant third-place 2.6/ 4 at 8 p.m. But veteran “Grey’s Anatomy” perked up to a dominant 6.1/10 from 9-10 p.m., followed by “Scandal,” also from Shonda Rhimes, at a first-place 6.5/12 at 10 p.m. Year-to-year, “Scandal” increased by 38 percent.

Elsewhere, fading “The X Factor” on Fox finished a very distant second in the 8 p.m. hour with a 3.9/ 6, which was 29 percent below the year-ago evening (5.5/ 9 on 11/15/12). And that led into a third-place 3.0/ 5 for tired “Glee” at 9 p.m., which slipped by 21 percent year-to-year. Although Fox will be boasting later today about the week-to-week growth for “The X Factor,” don’t forget that it faced “The Voice” on NBC last week.

The CW, meanwhile, featured “The Vampire Diaries” at a 1.8/ 3 (#5) at 8 p.m., followed by episode five of full season-renewed “Reign” at a 1.4/ 2 (#5) at 9 p.m., which was 17 percent above year-ago occupant “Beauty and the Beast” (1.2/ 2 on 11/15/12). Retention of 78 percent for “Reign” out of “The Vampire Diaries” last night was notably better than the 57 percent for “Beauty and the Beauty” in the time period last year.

Source: Nielsen Media Research

Source: Marc Berman@tvmediainsights

About the Daily Ratings

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The first item that gets posted (normally around 2pm GMT) is the early overnight analysis based on the early household numbers (these are not the same as the Total Viewers and 18-49 Demo numbers that are posted later).

Next, if available, we will post the Top 25 Market 18-49 Ratings to give you a rough idea of the ratings to following.

Later on (normally between 4pm-5pm GMT) we post the official early overnight Total Viewers and 18-49 Demo numbers in the table above.

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191 comments:

  1. Looks like a very stable night compared with last week for whatever is worth.

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  2. I hope The Crazy Ones crosses 2 this week.

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  3. Do you think Scandal has gone up or down based on the HH, my fellow Portuguese fellow?

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  4. It's equal to last week in overnights so I doubt we see major variations. So probably 2.7-2.9. But I don't know, it's very hard to extrapolate from here.

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  5. I hope so! CBS should put The Crazy Ones after TBBT.

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  6. didn't it get a HH of 6.6 last night?

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  7. Devon Maxwell-Pierce15 November 2013 at 14:38

    Dear Marc,

    I don't care what Elementary did last year. Last year, it actually had a lead-in and Scandal was still very mediocre, ratings-wise. How about judging it against last week instead?

    Very sincerely yours,

    Me.

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  8. Wow, he said something positive about Reign and didn't include it on the losers list :) This is a day to remember XD
    I hope Reign's rating will be 0.6 again, but if it will be 0.7, I'll be happier.
    Good early result for The Vampire Diaries. Let's hope ratings will be good for both shows.
    Go CW ^^

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  9. Okay, so Reign has same ratings as TTP had yesterday, so why isn't Reign in the losers list, like TTP was yesterday?

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  10. Devon Maxwell-Pierce15 November 2013 at 14:42

    E up a tenth, Scandal down a tenth. I know it could mean zilch for the demo, but that's the type of trend I like to see, haha.

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  11. Devon Maxwell-Pierce15 November 2013 at 14:45

    I have no ill will toward Scandal. I'd just like to see Elementary grow a bit and Scandal's been a more-than-worthy adversary, ratings-wise.

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  12. Don't try to find a rationale for that random distribution of winners and losers that he does. Didn't he call Ironside a winner or respectable sampling or whatever when it premiered?

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  13. I am actually rooting for TTP so Reign up is not the best thing for me but I find it cool that so many of us are rooting for the CW in general ahah

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  14. Still, wishing a show's fall in order to make your show grow is not that good.

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  15. On Tuesday he actually compared mostly all shows against the week ago performance, but then yesterday he went back to the stupid idea of comparing it to the year ago performance. It's annoying. Anyway, I checked and Elementary did a 5.6 last week on early household numbers.

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  16. In preliminary numbers it got a 6.5, I checked it.

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  17. I like both shows and The Originals, too :)

    The Originals is deserving its success, and I think Reign and The Tomorrow People deserve higher ratings.
    Yes, on this site the CW receives support from many people ^^

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  18. If you noticed Arrow had 2.1 in overnight yesterday and TTP had 1.4.Reign had better retention than TTP.1.8 out of 1.4

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  19. Poor Parenthood.. its getting killed on Thursday.. it was so much better off being on Tuesday nights. Damn NBC.

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  20. Devon Maxwell-Pierce15 November 2013 at 14:51

    It's not out of spite, but isn't that the nature of ratings? It's rare that one show's success doesn't come at the expense of another show? With network viewership down across the board...I'm not rooting for Scandal's failure, but it's a rich get richer world on TV right now. Scandal isn't even close to failing, so I'm not sure me finding some hope in a tenth is morally bankrupt.

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  21. I still say it's easily one of the best moves any network did at the upfronts last year.

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  22. Great for Reign my new favorite show :)

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  23. Like retention even matter when the have the same ratings.

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  24. It would make more sense for you to root for something like The Good Wife, Hawaii Five-0, CSI, Blue Bloods or The Mentalist to fall than for you too for for Scandal to fall if what you want is to see Elementary doing better.

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  25. This whole TTP vs. Reign is non sense.We need to worry about T100 and Star Crossed taking their spots instead

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  26. TTP had 1.2 in his overnights yesterday, not 1.4.

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  27. You call that "great"?

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  28. my only guess is because Reign is actually building up unlike TTP and the fact that it's actually doing better than its year ago occupant which is rare for the CW

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  29. Devon Maxwell-Pierce15 November 2013 at 14:55

    It's more from an audience share perspective. I know how ratings work. I know renew/xcl decisions are based on the performance of other shows on the same network. It's just that any indication that some of E's big DVR audience might try to watch live--at the end of the year, it could mean the difference between renew/xcl. Does anyone actually think Scandal is going to fail? I don't.

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  30. Ollie, stop being a hater because your show is not doing all that great.

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  31. "My show" is doing the same as "your show".

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  32. I agree last week it got a 6.5/11 this week 6.5/12 the ratings were 2.8 so i'm expecting it was flat with ratings and HH it went up slightly. I hope it get's rating of 2.9 and HH of 9.8 mil.

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  33. i thought it did 6.6. Oh well.

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  34. Glad Reign didnt decrease


    And since both , TTP and Reign both got full season now i can actually by happy for both of them, both are great shows

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  35. Huh ? One show will eventually end up on fridays replacing Nikita, the other might be shoved into the 11PM slot (what would be a first for theCW but I can't see them air it anywhere else, they won't cancell BatB midseason as they already ordered a full season and can't go back on that).


    Or they simply air one of both in summer

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  36. Devon Maxwell-Pierce15 November 2013 at 14:58

    Elementary is in much more danger. Scandal isn't even close to the bubble. I'm hoping for Elementary's survival, not Scandal's failure, but I know people get incredibly defensive about Scandal's ratings, so for that I'm sorry.

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  37. Non sense! There is no chance that the CW starts programming at 10 pm!

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  38. where else would you see either The100 or Star-Crossed then ? There ain't no free slots

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  39. Even assuming both T100 and Star Crossed fail (and I am not ready to guess that yet by any means), I doubt both TTP and Reign come back next fall. They will need 3 Monday-Thursday spots for new shows. There's the two Monday shows and then they need one extra, which will come from either Reign or TTP. I suppose there's always Fridays but I don't see them putting the shows there with HoD (which is 100% certain to get a spot there). It's too soon to predict anyway.

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  40. Yesterday TTP scored a .6 out of 1.2 so that isn't great either.Reign does better in younger demos and plus it skews younger so we have to wait and see.

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  41. You do realize that the cw can't simply decide to get one additional hour of programming from the affiliates, right? It's not even an option. 0% chance.


    They can do it like this:


    Monday
    Star Crossed
    Hart of Dixie


    Tuesday
    The Original
    Supernatural


    Wednesday
    Arrow
    The Tomorrow People


    Thursday
    The Vampire Diaries
    The 100


    Friday
    Reign
    Beauty and the Beast


    There, all solved without 10pm nonsense.

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  42. Pretty content with how my shows are doing, especially Scandal and The Crazy Ones. Sad for TMJFS though. Also so happy about Reign, glad about the increase, be gone nay sayers.

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  43. I predict a 1.7 for elementary.

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  44. With Reign raise in ratings and if it continues in this trajectory, I don't see them moving Reign to fridays

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  45. I think Scandal's rating is a 2.8 so it looks like they held on from last week. Wonderful

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  46. I did not, in fact I thought original programing was their decision


    While I do like that line up I don't see why they would kick out Carrie Diaries, or is that show only a half season one ?

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  47. Yes I do, because Reign is doing better than sophomores, BATB (which I love by the way) TCD, third season of HOD, and its tied with TTP but Reign is only in its 5th episode and with more retention to TVD than TTP from Arrow, cant compare it with the Originals because its already becoming a power house as TVD, SPN and Arrow. So yes I call it great, and thanks for letting me know you dont like Reign for your bitter reply/question to my fangirling post.

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  48. Reign only rose in HH and who knows if that will translate in the demo.

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  49. From what I read, TCD only got a 13 episode order.

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  50. i think Reign does better in 18-34 demos though

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  51. If I remember correctly, Elementary was already on a downward trend even before Scandal's rise truly began. It was doing a 2.2 in the week that Scandal's ratings exploded (30th of November 2012). Coincidently, Scandal also pulled a 2.2 that week. The following week, Scandal did a 2.5 and Elementary went down a tenth.
    I'd say the E's ratings were already going down and while Scandal might be a monster in that timeslot, I think Elementary could hold up to those 2.0's.

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  52. Certainly competition plays a part in the dynamics of obtaining the ratings for an episode, but I doubt the effect is as strong as you suggest. Elementary was already hitting very low 2s last fall (2.2 for 1x04, 2.4 for 1.x05 [not a low 2, but it's an exception], 2.2 for 1x06, 2.3 for 1x07, 2.2 for 1x08, 2.1, for 1x09 - all numbers prior to Scandal's surge). It did rally back in winter, but the effects were already here and non Scandal related. Add to that the loss of the way higher rated and more compatible lead-in, the year to year decline and the lower priority on CBS promotional efforts and there isn't that much room for the Scandal effect. There is certainly some effect, yes, but I doubt it's as high as you are suggesting. If anything, I think the DVR numbers are more related with people not being interested in waiting until 10pm for the show likely because they don't appreciate the comedy block that precedes it (this is just a guess though, no data to back this up).

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  53. Its sad people get so bitter about shows now these days, really! Its like an eternal competition and people get blinded by the facts and love to bully other people just because. Its sad! I enjoy my shows as long as they last period! ;)

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  54. We have no clue of knowing what Hart of Dixie will be doing in the spring.It might get six episodes like Nikita,Making room for more shows.With BATB,Carrie Diaries,HOD MAYBE getting shorter season.Star Crossed and T100 probably are going to fail because Midseason shows rarely become a success.I think Reign and TTP have a good chance at coming back.

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  55. The Crazy Ones is not doing well, you shouldn't be happy about it. I am very worried about it.

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  56. And when Scandal was pulling 2.8's after it returned from the break, Elementary was still fairly high at a 2.4. Scandal is arguably stronger now but still.

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  57. Devon Maxwell-Pierce15 November 2013 at 15:08

    I'm going to say 1.8 with an adjustment to 1.9 later in the day. Based only on my gut and my deep hope, lol

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  58. People will never learn to ignore the household numbers when it comes to the cw!

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  59. Both Beauty and The Beast and Hart of Dixie could be moved to friday, 'cause monday night is hard, but friday night would hurt even more both Star-Crossed and The Hundred.
    Unfortunately Beauty and The Beast will be canceled, while Hart of Dixie could have one more season(maybe a miniseason).

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  60. I'm not super worried as I should be. Considering the names that are attached to the show. Between it and The Millers, I'm pretty sure CBS knows which one it should keep, and they know which is creatively superior

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  61. Devon Maxwell-Pierce15 November 2013 at 15:13

    I do think part of it is the much weaker lead-in. Elementary wasn't doing well at the end of last year, so to me, to be maintaining those high 1s pretty steadily with the 2.5 Men lead-in in some backward way shows some growth. Viewers mean little, I know, but for it to outpace 2.5 Men in viewers shows me that the lead-in is a failure and it could be contributory to Elementary not being able to stabilize at a 2 or above.

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  62. NBC's goal is not to maximize the ratings for Parenthood. It's to maximize the ratings for the entire network. Three facts:
    - They had a post-voice slot that needed to go to a promising show that they thought they could grow (Parenthood is too old for that and doesn't have the broad appeal they were looking for)
    - They had one problematic slot where new shows were dying one after the other
    - They had one stable performer that had ratings mostly independent from its lead-in in a slot that needed to be occupied by another show (see point number 1)


    The logical move was to put that established show on the problematic slot, allowing its previous slot to be taken by a new promising show. I expected Parenthood to stick more around the 1.5/1.6 area than the 1.2/1.3 area as it has been doing. However, that's most certainly due to the horrible numbers pulled by the MJF show. If the show had worked, Parenthood should be in that area too, especially considering the likely compatibility between both. Still, the move has been successful because they have now a ratings performer Thursdays at 10 doing better than a new show would most likely do there and they are growing a promising new show Tuesdays at 10 after the voice as they should.



    Also, bear in mind that Parenthood's year to year comparisons are a bit biased, because the show was airing on what was probably the least competitive hour on a weekday last year. ABC was non existent (BoP and PP were always pulling very low 1s) and Vegas was the weakest CBS hour last year. Of course Parenthood benefited from that, but it was always bound to let go some of those gains.

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  63. Babar,Stop hating.Just because TTP is losing half of it's lead in and doing terrible in younger demos doesn't mean you should always say something smart about other shows.Reign Success does not Depend on TTP renewal.Wait until Midseason shows to premiere and then rant.

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  64. I think those big names could go in the opposite direction. So many "big names" shows have been cancelled. Go On last year for example. Those big names mean the show is more expensive, so less likely to be kept IMO.

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  65. Now with *that* I do agree on. Person of Interest was a far, FAR more compatible lead-in to Elementary that 2.5 Men ever was. Person of Interest started going down towards the end of the season, and so did Elementary's ratings.

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  66. How am I hating? I am just saying that a rise in HH doesn't mean a rise in demo. Yeesh!

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  67. Reign could be up this week, we don't know yet, but how come people are saying it's building up? It's been flat for the past 3 weeks, same as TTP!

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  68. Very Reasonable enough.

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  69. I'm wondering if that means The X Factor got at least a 2.0.

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  70. I just commented the same up there. People are assuming it rose and it could very well be but they have no way of knowing yet. I don't know when will people learn to ignore the household numbers to guess CW ratings...

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  71. Building from year to year

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  72. No, networks cannot decide to take one hour back from the affiliates like that. There are exceptions though. FOX, for instance, has sometimes negotiated one additional hour at 10 in situations when baseball has messed it up for them for instance. But it's extremely rare and it's virtually impossible that the CW can take back one random hour during the entire week. Also, the CW is doing even doing that good in absolute terms (certainly in its own relative terms, yes), to justify that.


    As for your question, TCD has been confirmed as only having 13 episodes this year, so it will end somewhere in January/February.

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  73. That's true but I think If I remember correctly, CBS really wants to keep SMG. After Ringer they were keen to get her back. But either way they really need to switch timeslots of The Millers and TCO

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  74. I know right.

    I guess @Ronald Mercer realized he was wrong and deleted his comment.

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  75. Yes, I also agree that the lead-in was playing a major role in Elementary's success last year.

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  76. Devon Maxwell-Pierce15 November 2013 at 15:20

    I wonder how CBS can fix that and if that would play into any decisions at the end of the year. 2.5 Men is sliding. If they wanted its demo to bolster E, then it was a massive failure.

    I would have swapped POI and E last year and bolstered E with TBBT hour, POI is slightly older and has a loyal audience. It might have dropped a little, but moving it to Tuesday had the same effect. I think keeping them both on Thursday with a swap could have seen them both with slightly lower, but respectable numbers with higher demos.

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  77. I deleted my comment because i realized you are not worth my time getting a point out across to.Reign Success does not Depend on TTP

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  78. Can anybody tell me if Chicago Fire is actually increasing on Tuesdays with The Voice? It doesn't look like it is.

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  79. That decision only serves to boost Elementary's ratings and that is not CBS's goal. They want to maximize the ratings for the entire network, not for Elementary. What would you have them airing at 10pm Tuesdays, considering that they didn't find any other drama worthy of a pickup in their development? Besides, where you would place Two and a Half Men? They made the right call there. Elementary couldn't be propped up forever. It had literally one year with the entire CBS promotional machine behind it, a slot after the fastest growing show CBS had and no competition at all during fall. It had to survive on its on during the second year. And it is actually doing so. Apart from that 1.5 a few weeks ago, it is doing perfectly fine and it's not being cancelled anytime soon.

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  80. It totally does. Why can't you understand that? It's, at best, one or the other. It could even be none.

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  81. It would be a waste of TBBT's massive lead-in on E. CBS probably wanted to use TBBT's to grow a new comedy to potentially use for a substitute for How I Met Your Mother ends. (they surely need one and QUICK)
    2.5 Men is more than likely to end this season, so, we'll probably see either CBS's abandoning the additional one hour of comedy this season and put a new drama. Maybe Intelligence, if it's successful?

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  82. Last night was by far the best Grey's of the season, I'm glad they're holding up well this year. Another great Scandal as well, but Sara Ramirez won the night for me

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  83. Thank you. It's rare to find people around here who can accept arguments!

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  84. Yes, it increased from last season.

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  85. Reign does better in younger demos which they can sell Ads.At this point it doesn't even matter because both just got picked up for full seasons and two Midseasons shows yet to premiere.Also three failing shows....you do the math

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  86. I am not buying such thing will play a factor. If they say so, it's PR. Besides, if you want names, it's not like Will Arnett, Margo Martindale and Beau Bridges aren't huge names. Most of them are Emmy/Oscar winners. It won't matter anyway. It will come down to ratings and costs. It's too soon to call. My guess is that 2/ possibly 3 (depending on comedy development season) of The Millers/Two and a Half Men/Mom/The Crazy Ones are renewed. I doubt both Chuck Lore shows are gone though. It will come down to spring ratings. I have no idea how Friends with Better Lives and Bad Teacher figure into this.

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  87. That was very random. Anyway, Chicago Fire is up 32% year to year so far.

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  88. Devon Maxwell-Pierce15 November 2013 at 15:28

    The ratings for Hostages are so low I wonder if viewers will even return to that slot. It's always been my belief that CBS starts with 50% of its ratings built in from the old people falling asleep after the news, lol. After awhile, tuning out becomes a habit.

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  89. Devon Maxwell-Pierce15 November 2013 at 15:30

    I don't think it's that high, no. But it is somewhat interesting that the only 2+ ep E had this year was the week it didn't compete against Scandal. Given the DVR lifts of the shows, it seems as though they share a lot of viewers. But, given the twitter presence and potential for spoilage that comes with a serialized drama like Scandal, it would make sense that viewers are prioritizing Scandal.

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  90. So what? I am trying to explain you that it will come down to one or the other, AT BEST. And you answer me by saying that Reign has the edge. So what, how does that answer my point?


    Regardless, I will try to explain it to you again. The CW is CERTAIN to launch 3 new shows Monday-Thursday. The CW is certain to have TVD, TO, SPN and Arrow return to the Monday-Thursday schedule. That's 7 slots. There is ONE missing, that could go one out of The 100/TTP/Reign/SC. So only one of these will get a midweek slot. Accept this already. It's not inconceivable that one could go to Fridays, but it's unlikely seeing as, at least early fall will be most likely Hart of Dixie/ America's Next Top Model. Anyway, even if you believe one will get a friday slot, that's arguably a bad position to be in, so it's still a battle between Reign and TTP to see who keeps a midweek slot. And, worst case scenario, neither does as that goes to one of the midseason shows. Can you understand it now?

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  91. Intelligence will premiere in the NCIS-post slot. That, alone, will get it to be wildly tested and considering NCIS is more often than not the #1 broadcast drama (tied with TBL), it will mean a great sample. If the audience remains into the 10 pm slot? Don't know and wouldn't hold my breath considering how weak of a lead-in Mom is.

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  92. Devon Maxwell-Pierce15 November 2013 at 15:32

    Never understimate the power or promotion, I say. The promo for that 1.5 episode was absolutely dreadful. Dull and confusing. It turned into my least favorite episode of the season. I'm glad it seemed to be an anomaly.

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  93. That week was also the premiere. 90% of the shows have their highest ratings on premiere. Saying that it was because of Scandal when Grey's Anatomy pulled basically the same rating Scandal did a week after doesn't make sense.

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  94. Sure, but you didn't answer my point about how your proposed move doesn't make sense.

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  95. I don't believe there is any effect of "timeslot warmness" lol. Under the Dome ended up very high 2s and the very next week Hostages promoted in high 1s. I don't buy that.

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  96. Devon Maxwell-Pierce15 November 2013 at 15:34

    Oh, I didn't know. I thought it was debuting in the Monday 10pm slot. Yeah, that should help. You're right. Is it okay to say I kinda want it to fail? ;)

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  97. Maybe in finals household numbers? Not that I have ever seen those, but I assume those exist.

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  98. Devon Maxwell-Pierce15 November 2013 at 15:37

    Oh, sorry. I concede your points make sense. I just want to see actual growth for Elementary and I'm desperate to find scheduling scenarios in which that could happen. I agree--it can't be propped forever, but the lead-in it has now is actively detrimental, I think.

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  99. Like i said once before,HOD may not get a full final season next year.It's scoring .4's in the fall and we have no clue what it will be doing in the spring and plus American Next Top Model doesn't end usually until November so another show can easily take it's spot.Get it?

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  100. I find it highly unlikely that the CW renews HoD for anything less than a full season. I think Nikita was the exception, not the rule. However, I don't have a way of convincing you of this as it is just my belief. Still, as I explained to you, at very least, Reign and TTP are competing to see which ones gets the midweek slot. Whichever gets send to Fridays (if that actually happens) is likely just to be used as timeslot filler like they did this year with TCD.

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  101. You have very good points. You're entitled to your opinion. Plus, I enjoy reading your posts.

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  102. No problem! I know how frustrating it can be to root for a show that we believe to have potential to do far more than it is doing. It's just that I can't think of an arrangement for CBS that would have been better. Maybe Elementary to Tuesdays and POI to 10pm Thursdays, maybe, but that's as far as it goes. And in any case, the show is performing at 95% of CBS's most recent drama average and that's more than enough for renewal. Sure, you would feel safer if it crossed that 2.0 threshold, but the show is doing fine if it keeps doing what it is.

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  103. You're welcome! Never be afraid to stand up for what you believe in!

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  104. I highly doubt The CW would take a chance and Premiere two new shows on Monday.TO and SPN are probably staying on Tuesday and Arrow and TVD are definitely not moving.Let's wait and see but i still doubt this is a race between both Reign and TTP.The CW is very unpredictable at times

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  105. I only watch Arrow, Supernatural, Nikita and The Originals on the CW, but I'm always pleased when I see that other shows on the network are doing well. It gives me warm fuzzies.

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  106. I agree & hope you're right about HoD getting a ful fourth &final season.I think Craig S (Nikita's show runner) having a new show,Turn, impacted Nikita's fourth ,final season.

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  107. Yeah that's how I understood why TTP was counted as loser but Reign wasn't.

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  108. They may premiere two shows on Monday or they may move either Supernatural or The Originals. It doesn't matter. There is 0% chance that both Reign and TTP are renewed and kept on the Monday-Thursday schedule. One is possible (but not certain), both it's impossible.

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  109. I don't think that was it but I don't have a good explanation either lol

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  110. It appears that it didn't even score a 1.5 and the numbers are allegedly inflated! Jeez!

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  111. Another terrible for OUATIW & another bad night for FOX,NBC.. I'm especially sad about Parks and Rec ratings I just love that show! Also amazing for the vampire diaries.. I mean 1.3 is great!

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  112. NBC and ABC and FOX could be mistaken for the CW on thursdays ratings

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  113. ABC is only at 8 pm. But NBC is incredible how the entire 3 hours could be CW hours.

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  114. Here are the 1/2 breakdowns

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    8:00 p.m.

    ABC – Once Upon a Time in Wonderland
    Viewers: 3.93 million (#2), A18-49: 0.9/ 3 (#5)

    CBS – The Big Bang Theory
    Viewers: 17.98 million (#1), A18-49: 5.1/16 (#1)

    NBC – Parks and Recreation
    Viewers: 3.37 million (#4), A18-49: 1.2/ 4 (#3t)

    Fox – The X Factor
    Viewers: 4.78 million (#2), A18-49: 1.2/ 4 (#3t)

    CW – The Vampire Diaries
    Viewers: 2.71 million (#5), A18-49: 1.3/ 4 (#2)

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    8:30 p.m.

    ABC – Once Upon a Time in Wonderland
    Viewers: 3.50 million (#3, A18-49: 0.9/ 3 (#5)

    CBS – The Millers
    Viewers: 11.28 million (#1), A18-49: 2.7/ 8 (#1)

    NBC – Parks and Recreation
    Viewers: 3.26 million (#4), A18-49: 1.2/ 4 (#3t)

    Fox – The X Factor
    Viewers: 5.79 million (#2), A18-49: 1.5/ 4 (#2)

    CW – The Vampire Diaries
    Viewers: 2.64 million (#5), A18-49: 1.2/ 4 (#3t)

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    9:00 p.m.

    ABC – Grey’s Anatomy
    Viewers: 8.24 million (#2), A18-49: 2.5/ 7 (#1)

    CBS – The Crazy Ones
    Viewers: 8.68 million (#1), A18-49: 2.1/ 6 (#2)

    NBC – Sean Saves the World
    Viewers: 3.15 million (#4), A18-49: 1.0/ 3 (#4)

    Fox – Glee
    Viewers: 4.66 million (#3), A18-49: 1.6/ 4 (#3)

    CW – Reign
    Viewers: 1.79 million (#5), A18-49: 0.7/ 2 (#5)

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    9:30 p.m.

    ABC – Grey’s Anatomy
    Viewers: 8.65 million (#1), A18-49: 2.6/ 7 (#1)

    CBS – Two and a Half Men
    Viewers: 8.60 million (#2), A18-49: 2.1/ 6 (#2)

    NBC – The Michael J. Fox Show
    Viewers: 2.94 million (#4), A18-49: 1.0/ 3 (#4)

    Fox – Glee
    Viewers: 4.33 million (#3), A18-49: 1.4/ 4 (#3)

    CW – Reign
    Viewers: 1.70 million (#5), A18-49: 0.7/ 2 (#5)

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    10:00 p.m.

    ABC – Scandal
    Viewers: 8.89 million (#1), A18-49: 2.8/ 8 (#1)

    CBS – Elementary
    Viewers: 8.71 million (#2), A18-49: 1.7/ 5 (#2)

    NBC – Parenthood
    Viewers: 3.92 million (#3), A18-49: 1.2/ 4 (#3)

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    10:30 p.m.

    ABC – Scandal
    Viewers: 9.01 million (#1), A18-49: 2.9/ 9 (#1)

    CBS – Elementary
    Viewers: 8.06 million (#2), A18-49: 1.5/ 5 (#2)

    NBC – Parenthood
    Viewers: 4.30 million (#3), A18-49: 1.3/ 4 (#3)

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  115. CW Halves ^^

    The Vampire Diaries
    2.71mil 1.3/4
    2.64mil 1.2/4

    Reign
    1.79mil 0.7/2

    1.70mil 0.7/2

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  116. I've got to say it:WELL DONE The Vampire Diaries!

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  117. CBSThe Big Bang Theory 5.1 17.98 thats gotta be a new record

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  118. Devon Maxwell-Pierce15 November 2013 at 16:24

    1.6. WTF. I don't understand. The show is so compelling right now.

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  119. Wow. The CW was second on the first half-hour?! O_O

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  120. 0.7 for Reign, that is an increase if I'm not mistaken?

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  121. Yay Go Reign.Long may she Reign!

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  122. nope,it got 5.2 this season.

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  123. LOL TVD beats ABC and NBC and almost XF!

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  124. Sure is,that is why some people should keep their mouth close until they actually see the ratings:)

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  125. I'm happy then.

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  126. The half-hours suggest an upwards adjustment is unlikely but FOX is supposedly inflated. It would be great if it actually came in 2nd for the hour ahah

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  127. man, who would've thought the runner-up to big bang theory would be the vampire diary.

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  128. I know. That's bad. And it tied Parks & Rec (demo-wise). But I think NBC is inflated, too, because football was on here (in Indy) instead. I wonder if they'll both be adjusted down.

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  129. Not just Thursday. Shows like Dads, Revenge, Mindy etc. also had the same ratings as CW shows this week.

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  130. That proves squat. You should also keep your mouth shut until you see the ratings. Just because today the increase in HH matched the increase in 18-49, doesn't mean there aren't a ton of occasions when they don't. Go ahead and delete your comment if you want, you seem to appreciate doing so.

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  131. Ahah said like that is crazy!

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  132. still think CBS made a mistake not putting TCO behind TBBT

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  133. It's true, the gap is really closing.

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  134. Scandal up a tenth. That's the way to go.

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  135. Oh, I didn't know that. Do you know if the cw is also inflated?

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  136. Someone mad?I can tell:)

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  137. Happy that Grey's passed Two & A Half Men in it's second half hour, but I wish it was able to beat The Crazy Ones as well.

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  138. I think their belief was that The Millers needed more support and that TCO could hold its own alone. I don't think it was a matter of them believing in the Millers more, I think it was the other way around. Remember that they are interested in maximizing the ratings for the entire block, not for one show alone.

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  139. What do you mean? Grey's scored a 2.5 in its first half-hour whereas The Crazy Ones scored a 2.1.

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  140. With you? Sure, you are annoying and childish. With the ratings? Yes, because I would prefer to see TTP doing better since I watch that show and I don't watch Reign. Whats your point?

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  141. Was looking at total viewers but yea, demo is more important.

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  142. A 2.9 for Scandal. Think it can be adjusted to a 3.0?

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  143. Unlikely going by the half-hours. But certainly possible as they are not that good of indicators.

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  144. Damn, how can those NBC and FOX numbers be inflated? It will look awful beyond finals. I am kind of rooting for TVD to come second in the hour, it would be awesome, albeit meaningless. Also, props to Grey's. It's down but it grew by >1.5 from its crappy lead-in, that's a feat. It continues to redefine what a self-starter show is every year.

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  145. It happened last week, Scandal being adjusted. Although I do know that that 2.8 was on the half hours.
    Is it possible that Grey's possible overrun caused Scandal's average to go down?

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  146. This is not a reply to the above comment, but is instead in response to the many comments that you delete because
    you're a dumbass. Shut your freaking mouth for once, maybe you wouldn't
    have to edit all of your comments or just flat out delete them then.

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  147. It's possible but there is no way of knowing. It's possible that Grey's was inching up as the hour went by and that it finished at 2.8 around 9.50. I think last week the half hours were 2.7/2.8 when it got the preliminary 2.7. This week it's 2.8/2.9 and it already has the 2.9. If I had to guess, I would say downards is more likely than upwards, but that is probably stays the same. It could always adjust upwards too though.

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  148. I've flagged you as inappropriate since you keep deleting posts juts FYI.

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  149. Here is keeping my fingers crossed for that 3.0! It needs to be back on the 3's.

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  150. it is possible as half hours as repeatedly told are not an indicator of a shows potential to adjust up or down.

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  151. Thursday's used to be a championship ratings bout between all the networks. Now it's just Big Bang Theory all by itself with Scandal being the only respectable ratings grabber in the Drama category. It's all a bit anticlimactic these days.

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  152. They are not an indicator but I still find it to be more likely for them to adjust when one half hour is higher rated than the other and the show has the overall rating of the lower half hour. But sure it could go the opposite direction, I agree

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  153. No, it's not. Just Fox & NBC. Sad, huh?

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  154. I think Grey's is underrated. It's still pretty respectable. It will be number #4/#5 drama this week (depends on whether or not it adjusts up), it grows an hefty 1.6 from its lead-in which is a lot (!) and it goes up against similar W18-34 drawer shows.

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  155. No, just wondering because I think it would be funny if TVD comes second in the hour lol

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  156. It would be nice, but it doesn't "need to". It's the third highest rated drama of the week and if I had to guess, I would say the most profitable as it likely wins in 18-34s to both NCIS and The Blacklist. It's ABC's highest rated drama and highest rated show other than MF. There is 0 chance for it to be cancelled, so it doesn't need the 3s again. But yes, it would be nice indeed. It could probably get there with the fall finale approaching.

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  157. For as old as Grey's is, the show's ratings are respectable. Considering how ABC is doing with their dramas overall, Grey's is still pretty important to them as well.

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  158. I think it's ratings are still more than respectable, regardless of how old it is, not considering how old it is. But other than that I agree.

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  159. Really glad that The Crazy Ones stayed above 2.
    Damn at Grey's tying its series low again this season. Wasn't expecting that.

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  160. It's nowhere near the series high, which was a 6.4.

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  161. It's a shifting standard. It used to be that a shows ratings had to be a 3.0 to be considered good. It's not increasingly more rare to see a show with those numbers beyond the first season.


    I still use the old standard for "good" but I should probably suck it up and accept that 2.5-2.9 is the best most network shows will do these days.

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  162. Ho do you figure last season was Parenthoods best and this year since the move its declined like crazy. And thats not because the shows gotten worse, its the night its on. Theres a lot of high profile shows on Thursday night.. not that its doing poor its staying consistant but its just sad to see the ratings so low knowing it doesnt deserve it. Its a great show, one of the best in a long time.

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  163. Congrats CW, its great week for them : 0.7 * 1.3 * 0.6 * 1.2 * 1.1 * 1.1 * 0.4 * 0.3

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  164. It got a 6.1 for the second episode.

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  165. Great news for Reign, hopefully it'll continue to increase!! Such a good show

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  166. That's great for for TVD and Reign! Lets see if they can keep that 1.3 and 0.7 in the finals. I'm on the third episode of Reign so I should be caught up this weekend. I'm pretty surprised by how much I'm enjoying it, tbh. Still worried for TTP. Ugh, I really want The CW to renew both TTP and Reign but I doubt it.

    I'm happy The Crazy Ones stabilized from last week. I hope it has stopped dropping and settles in the 2's.

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  167. Last year Cw cancelled GG,90210,emily Owens, Cult. Thats 4 Shows. This year they cancelled Nikita, BatB+TCD are sure to be cancelled and i am sure that at least one of midseason show wont be doing good (i hope that The 100 will be doing good) so that would be already 4 shows, maybe 5 if both new midseason shows were doing bad. So there is a chance that both TTP and Reign will be renewed

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  168. A few years ago, 3.0 would be a terrible number. It's always been a shifting standard. The best way is to ignore the relative numbers almost completely and focus on the relative. Grey's Anatomy is doing 130% of ABC's most recent drama average. That's excellent. Spotted Ratings is an excellent website (http://www.spottedratings.com/p/a18-49-index.html) in which the ratings are presented for every show every year normalized by the average. That's how you should compare ratings across seasons and how you should really see which shows are growing and are declining. The absolute numbers almost never matter.

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  169. I haven't watched Reign yet, but it's looking worse and worse for TTP. Damn it. I am also rooting for The 100 and I suspect I won't be able to have it both ways, maybe not even one way. Let's see what happens.

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  170. That is the wrong way to think about it. You should think about it this way: last year, the CW freed up 3 midweek hours to premiere new shows. This year, they will again free up 3 midweek hours to premiere new shows, which are certain to be Beauty and the Beast, Hart of Dixie (moved to Fridays) and one out of TTP and Reign. You cannot for instance count Cult and Emily Owens as two separate cancellations because they occupied the same slot, so it doesn't matter that they were two separate series.

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  171. Series low are a concept unpleasant to see but mostly irrelevant in practice. ABC's drama is now this week. Grey's actually went from performing at 135% of its comparable average to performing at about 140%. In relative terms, it went up. That's all that matters.

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  172. I just thought of it and maybe they dont have to move TTP or reign to Fridays mideason. I assume that Nikita will end in December and TCD in January/February. They might send BatB to Fridays at the beginning of January with rest of TCD episodes and debut one of new shows on Monday before or after HOD. And by the time TCD will air its last episode they can see if the new show is doing better than TTP & Reign and if it will have worse ratings they can move it to friday and debut the other show on Mondays and both Reign + TTP can keep their places?

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  173. Read my explanation from below. Not only isn't NBC's goal to maximize Parenthood's ratings (it should care about the welfare of the whole network instead) but its ratings from last year are also inflated due to the absence of competition.

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  174. Yeah, I get get all that. It's just disappointing that the quality of competition isn't there anymore. Thanks for the recommendation though.

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  175. I suspect it is that the competition is fiercer on Thursday as opposed to Wednesday. But who knows with this guy.

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  176. So happy for TVD!! :)

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  177. It's possible, yes. But I am not sure if it's feasible. If both midseason shows have 13 episode orders, they would have to premiere them around the same time I would think. I would be slightly surprised to see that happening, but it wouldn't come as a shock, it's not that bad idea, it limits their risk and has a potential high return. Yes, I like it the more I think of it. But I still don't see it as very likely.

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  178. I am too lazy to do it but I think if you were to check the current viewing levels of today (broadcast + CABLE) and add to that the DVR views that shows get later on you would probably find that the overall viewing is constant. I don't actually know this, but it's my guess. I think the proliferation of cable (+ options), together with the higher penetration of DVR explain the numbers. People are likely to still watch the same amount of TV.

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  179. I've read multiple places that the level of viewership hasn't dropped off much at all so I'm sure you're right about that. What I'm getting at is that it's not as fun following the ratings news these days when the competition is spread out among 100 different channels with original programming every night instead of just the big four.

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  180. Oh yeah I can understand that yeah. I still like it plenty ahah

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  181. Last year Cult debuted later than TCD and they both had 13 episodes too

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  182. True, good point. But this year, remember that there's the Olympics in february. The main networks are practically all going with reality filler for that period. I haven't heard anything about the CW but I would assume it would do the same? Even though there are only 11 weeks of regular season left in March/April/May so not sure how cold they fit the 13 eps of The 100 and SC there, especially if one starts later.

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  183. EuphemiaWonderland17 November 2013 at 02:17

    I love Reign but I think The 100 is the only new show that has a real chance of becominmg a hit.

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