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Ratings News - 25th October 2013

25 Oct 2013

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Today's Early Overnight Ratings

This table shows the early overnight ratings. These ratings are normally adjusted later in the day when all the ratings have been consolidated to take into account any local preemptions and/or overruns. You can find all the final adjusted numbers in our Ratings Database. (See the About section below for details about ratings)



Early Ratings Analysis

The analysis below is based on the early household numbers and are NOT the same as the numbers that will be posted in the above table later. (See the About section below)

For more information on the Nielsen Ratings see this Wikipedia Entry.

NOTE: The opinions expressed here are NOT those of SpoilerTV but of the Author of this Article, Marc Berman.

Metered Market Thursday Ratings
“The World Series” Boosts Dominant Fox

Thursday 10/24/13
Metered Market Results

Household
Rating/Share
Fox 8.9/15
CBS 6.8/11
ABC 5.2/ 9
NBC 3.0/ 5
CW 1.6/ 3

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-Percent Change from Year-Ago Evening – Thursday 10/25/12:
Fox: +13, NBC: + 7, ABC: – 2, CW: -11, CBS: -20

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-Winners:
“The Big Bang Theory” (CBS), “The World Series,” Game 2 (Fox), “Grey’s Anatomy” (ABC), “Scandal” (ABC)

-Losers (excluding repeats):
“Once Upon a Time in Wonderland” (ABC), “Sean Saves the World” (NBC), “The Michael J. Fox Show” (NBC), “Reign” (CW), “Parenthood” (NBC)

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-Ratings Breakdown:
Fox took center stage on this fourth Thursday in October care of game two of “The World Series.” The St. Louis Cardinals at the Boston Red Sox match-up averaged an estimated 9.2 rating/15 share in the overnights in primetime, peaking in the 10 p.m. half-hour at a 10.7/18. Comparably, this is five percent above the year-ago match-up between San Francisco and Detroit (8.8/14 on 10/25/12). And it is, of course, approximate due to the live nature of the sporting evening.

The top-rated show of the evening, as always, was mega-hit “The Big Bang Theory” on CBS with an 11.1/18 in the overnights at 8 p.m. And that led into episode four of “The Millers,” which dipped to a series-low (and second-place) 6.7/11 at 8:30 p.m. (with retention of 60 percent out of “The Big Bang Theory”). One week earlier, “The Millers” scored a 7.6/12 (with retention of 67 percent out of Sheldon, Leonard and company) opposite the Baseball Playoffs on Fox.

With weaker lead-in support, episode five of “The Crazy Ones” also hit a series low on CBS with a third-place 5.6/ 9 at 9 p.m. Comparably, that was down by 12 percent from the 6.4/10 one week earlier. But veteran “Two and a Half Men” perked up to a 5.8/ 9 at 9:30 p.m., and the two sitcoms, on average, were 35 percent below the 8.8/14 in the overnights for year-ago occupant “Person of Interest.” While the difference in the young adult demos will not be as severe, it will be noticeable.

Sophomore “Elementary” capped off the evening for CBS with a third-place 5.7/10, which was 21 percent below the 7.2/12 on the year-ago evening (7.2/12 on 10/25/12).

In week three news, ABC fantasy drama “Once Upon a Time in Wonderland” slipped to a 2.7/ 4 (#4) in the 8 p.m. hour, which was 16 percent below its week-ago telecast and 39 percent below failed year-ago drama “Last Resort” (4.4/ 7 on 10/25/12). Three-week overnight track for “Once Upon a Time in Wonderland”: 3.6/ 6 – 3.2/ 5 – 2.7/ 4. All together now: Tick, tock…the cancellation clock is ticking.

The alphabet net had netter news care of veteran “Grey’s Anatomy” (#2: 6.3/10 at 9 p.m., – 6 percent from the year-ago evening) and perfectly compatible “Scandal” (#2: 6.6/11 at 10 p.m.), which increased by 37 percent year-ago year. Note to Joshua Malina: I hate to say “I told you so,” but I did!

In week two news, CW drama “Reign” dropped by one-tenth of a rating point (or seven percent) to a 1.4/ 2 in the overnights at 9 p.m., which was 22 percent below lead-in “The Vampire Diaries” (1.8/ 3 at 8 p.m.). And the 1.5/ 2 in the overnights for “Reign” last week translated into 1.98 million viewers and a 0.8/ 2 among adults 18-49 (out of 2.93 million viewers and a 1.3/ 4 in the demo for “The Vampire Diaries”).

Over at NBC, an encore of “The Voice” filled in for “Parks and Recreation” and canceled “Welcome to the Family” and it averaged a third-place 3.6/ 6 from 8-9 p.m. Comparably, that was 67 percent above the two comedies last week. While the 9-11 p.m. block did slightly benefit, the overnight results for “Sean Saves the World” (#4: 2.9/ 5), “The Michael J. Fox Show” (#4: 2.5/ 4) and relocated “Parenthood” (#4: 2.7/ 5) were still sorely lacking. Unfortunately, it looks like that “fresh freckled face in the neighborhood,” Linda Lavin, is not “gonna stay awhile”….ba ba bum bum bummmm.

Source: Nielsen Media Research

Source: Marc Berman@tvmediainsights

About the Daily Ratings

Each day (except Sunday) during the main TV Season we post the TV Ratings for the previous nights primetime shows for the major broadcast networks (ABC, CBS, CW, FOX, NBC). Cable Network ratings will be added to the Ratings Database.

The first item that gets posted (normally around 2pm GMT) is the early overnight analysis based on the early household numbers (these are not the same as the Total Viewers and 18-49 Demo numbers that are posted later).

Next, if available, we will post the Top 25 Market 18-49 Ratings to give you a rough idea of the ratings to following.

Later on (normally between 4pm-5pm GMT) we post the official early overnight Total Viewers and 18-49 Demo numbers in the table above.

Finally, later in the evening (10pm-11pm GMT) or the following day, the final adjusted ratings numbers are released, these are then posted in the Ratings Database. The Final Adjusted numbers are what we use for all our Renew/Cancellation Tables, Full Season Tables, Ratings Scorecards etc (see below)

Additional Ratings Resources

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Our Cancellation/Renewal predictions for the current season.
Ratings Database
Historical Ratings Database for nearly all major US shows going back to their first episodes.
Full Season Tables
The current season full ratings tables for both Total Viewers and 18-49 Demos
Ratings Scorecard
See how all the shows stack up against each other in the Ratings Scorecard Table.

141 comments:

  1. His comments have gotten creative, I'll give him that.

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  2. Ugh. It annoys me how hardly anyone seems to be giving Wonderland a chance. It is honestly a really good and entertaining show! :(

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  3. Ouch for The Crazy Ones. I hope it stabilizes. CBS should definitely give it TBBT lead-in.

    Reign didn't drop as much as I thought it would. Lets wait and see how much that translates into the 18 to 49 rating.

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  4. ABC is to blame for putting it in the Death Slot.

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  5. Agreed. Between The Millers and The Crazy Ones I think we all know which one is more deserving for TBBT lead-in.

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  6. And more immature.

    "I hate to say “I told you so,” but I did!"

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  7. Damn it for The Crazy Ones, I absolutely adore that show. I think it's on the wrong channel though, I think it would be a hit on ABC. I happen to watch both ABC and CBS comedies and like both but I think some people just stick with what they know and The Crazy Ones doesn't fit the genre of CBS comedies at all.

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  8. That was always a given

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  9. I think The Millers should have always been paired up with Two and a Half Men, the type of humor is similar. However, I think it would be a very poorly rated hour albeit compatible since Two and a Half Men is dying and The Millers wouldn't be able to lead off an hour.

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  10. It seems like NBC Thursdays need to start from scratch again which is too bad since I'm rooting for the MJF show.


    Scandal may have fallen a tenth or two but I hope it stays above a three and continue to be the #1 broadcast drama. Also hope last week was just a one off for Elementary.

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  11. It wasn't that bad of a plan. It juts didn't work out. Personally, although I am happily watching the show, it has many issues. It is too childish for starters and the CGI is even worse than in OUAT and it shows up in every scene. I am not that surprised that it didn't make it.

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  12. Ouch for TCO deserve more

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  13. What is he referring to? I have yet to watch last night's Scandal so if its spoilers about it, please don't spoil me :P

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  14. Reign isn't all that bad. There maybe a lot of inconsistencies but it goes with the territory and it's not like it's trying to be completely historically accurate. It's a guilty pleasure kind of show how BatB was for me last season. Haters gonna Hate

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  15. I don't think NBC should insist on this comedy non sense on Thursdays. At this point, it is almost certain that their fridays will always rate higher than their thursdays (assuming Dracula doesn't bomb) which will be very humiliating.

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  16. Agree 100%, I adore the crazy ones!

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  17. My favorite new comedy since TBBT.

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  18. Idk what Joshua Malina said to piss him off like this.

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  19. Its absolutely hilarious

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  20. Agreed. There is no chance that NBC comedy block will get half as good ratings compared to CBS's.

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  21. Along with trophy wife & mom

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  22. I like those too, but I have given up on Trophy Wife. Also, I like TCO more than those two.

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  23. But those two keeps getting better...but poor TW ratings its awful

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  24. What I don't get is why NBC can't seem to attract viewers on their non voice/snf nights? I've only been following ratings since last year and it was the same then too. It can't just be a quality issue since there are a lot of crap on other networks that get more viewers.

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  25. Honestly I would just treat it like a mini-series. Since it was originally going to be burned off against the Olympics while OUAT was on hiatus, and since this season is an entirely self-contained story, I don't think anyone really expected it to be renewed. It's not like it was going to do better than OUAT, and a 2.5 or so rating ceiling is a pretty low one. As long as ABC doesn't pull it from the schedule I will be perfectly happy to enjoy a self-contained season.

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  26. I agree, Mom's last episode was really funny, but I still like TCO more.


    I really got into Partners last year, but it got cancelled, so I drop the shows when they near cancellation. I dropped TW after the 4th episode.

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  27. Yay Reign didn't drop!This episode was way better than last weeks and much improvement.It is something that the cw has never done before and it looked like it belonged on starz or hbo.Hopefully it is stable or only drop a tenth which is ok.It might get the Backorder if stable,TTP is boring to me but The Originals is good also.Have a feeling Reign could be on a while,if Beauty and Beast and Carrie Diaries can get a second season so can Reign.

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  28. It's competition against other networks.

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  29. I think he's just joking. That line reads to me more like "I told you Scandal was gonna rise" than something mean spirited.

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  30. I too, unfortunately expected a bigger drop for Reign, because of The Voice's battle help to NBC sitcoms and Fox's Baseball(Reign has male fans too, and I'm sure there are females who like Baseball). Anyway, I hope the rating is good enough(given the competition).

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  31. Reign might get a back order, but a second season depends on how many new shows The CW wants to give a second season to, and how many new shows they want to pickup during Pilot season.

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  32. Well they have Star Crossed which will Probably flop and The 100.Also with Carrie Diaries and Beauty and The Beast ratings Dropping I am confident that Reign will see a second season if stable.Hart of Dixie will be back for finale season(Maybe) because of Syndication.The Cw only picks up three shows in the fall.

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  33. The Carrie Diaries hasn't even premiered yet

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  34. I just hope the World Games will have a winner within next monday night, 'cause it's hurting different shows.

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  35. It will flop,it got .4's and .3's on a monday.I already know.

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  36. Partners ratings were a dead give away for cancellation considering it was on CBS, I stuck with it though. TW on the other hand has lots of potential so I'm feeling confident considering where it is. Really hoping it pushes through. Mom, TW and TCO are my fave new comedies this year

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  37. Not entirely sure what he was referring too. Not sure if it's anything to do with the episode at all, maybe more of a general comment if nothing else

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  38. You did more than me, I didn't venture myself after the first episode as soon as I saw the ratings.

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  39. and there I thought I was often being too hasty considering my predictions.


    How can you already be sure that theCWs worst rated new show will get a second season ?
    I'm not even sure Originals will get a second one...

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  40. we will just have to wait tosee.you never know with the cw.

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  41. I hoped it would pick up, but after two 1.4s, that didn't seem likely.

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  42. Well it's on a friday now so the standards will be different. Think of it this way. If the CD will be cancelled. Rest assured Reign will find itself of Friday if the ratings will decline

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  43. I hope Dracula does good after Grimm, 'cause I know Jessica de Gouw is part of the main cast and I loved her as The Huntress on Arrow. I wish her the best :)

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  44. True,Hopefully it does ok.

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  45. ABC said at one time because they liked the story that was pitched that it could get a second season, but looking at the ratings i think they should wrap things up quick

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  46. Dracula is a mini-series, so NBC will air all 10 episodes, no matter how badly it does.

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  47. So far, there's only one free place(Nikita). And I too hope in the backorder for Reign, and the renewal, but it will depend on Beauty and The Beast, The Carrie Diaries, The Originals, The Tomorrow People and the other new CW Shows(Star-Crossed and The 100) performances.
    So far, between them, The Originals has the best rating average.
    I'll be hurt anyway, 'cause all the CW's shows attract me somehow.

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  48. Yes, I was not referring to it being pulled, just to the ratings themselves. I think it will do fine.

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  49. "hoped". I am not optimistic anymore.

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  50. There might be surprises. I know there are people who expected Reign to flop since the premiere, with a rating, like 0.5 or 0.6, but that didn't happen and I hope will not. Last year Beauty and The Beast started with a rating of 1.2 and then its season finale obtained 0.6, so I hope The CW's new shows will have the chance to grow, instead of decrease.

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  51. Scandal got a 3.5 in the top 25 market, Elementary 1.6 and Parenthood 1.3. I guess last week wasn't a one off for Elementary after all.

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  52. Well,All their new shows started out lower than usual this year .8-1.0 so each show has time to grow this year.All their shows are good but TTP is starting to lose me.

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  53. sitcomonline twitter

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  54. only saw scandal rating

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  55. Apparently the pilot is pretty bad.

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  56. They are comparing it to shows on other networks in the same timeslot.

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  57. In top 25 mkts #Scandal does a 3.5 18-49 rtg! Beats CBS 1.6/NBC 1.3 easily AGAIN!

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  58. If that holds and this situation doesn't change, I think CBS will cancel Elementary and keep The Good Wife after all.

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  59. I feel like they can keep both, considering the tough time they are having at the 10 pm slot on mondays alone. Thursday and Sunday 10pm is a hard slot

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  60. sitcomsonline shows the top 25 market ratings when they are favorable to ABC, so only once a week :P

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  61. but why they all show 3 shows

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  62. I don't understand what you mean.

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  63. I hope they will grow. About The Tomorrow People, I've read comments full of enthusiasm about the third episode, but to each his own.

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  64. Marc wrote (to Joshua) a twitter some ago about a "raining of ratings" for Scadal this season.

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  65. Reign is a limited series

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  66. I think The Mentalist is a goner no matter what (it is possible that it stays but it would require an extremely unlikely combination of factors for it to happen). After that, it is possibly but improbable that CBS doesn't ax any other veteran. However, that would require 2 of the three to happen: 1)Undercover Boss is held to replace a failed drama again; 2) Intelligence fails; 3)CBS reduces its comedy hours to 3. If this happens, then they have the room to launch their 3 usual new hours of dramas without axing any other veteran. If only of these happens, unless they are willing to launch only 2 dramas, then they need to ax a second veteran to make room for it.

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  67. That only means its seasons are smaller than 22 episodes. A mini series would mean that it would not come back for a second season.

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  68. Imo Scandal got less ratings than it deserved in S1 and now it is getting more ratings than it deserves. lol

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  69. It's comedies are doing moderetaly well so I don't see them reducing the hours to 3. Intelligence is getting mixed reviews so its possible it might flop. I'm pushing for Elementary because it's a nice take on Sherlock Holmes and I love the chemistry between JLM and LL

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  70. I get really annoyed when people say that a show doesn't "deserve" high ratings. I don't watch Scandal, but many people do.

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  71. Some of the shows have been a bit up and down this season so far
    A18-49 DEMO RATINGS SO FAR
    HOD-0.4, 0.4, 0.4
    Beauty-0.3, 0.3, 0.3
    TO-1.0, 0.9, 1.1, 0.9
    SPN-1.2, 1.0, 1.1
    ARROW-0.9, 1.1, 0.9
    TTP-0.9, 0.8, 0.7
    TVD-1.2, 1.0, 1.3
    REIGN-0.8

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  72. Who wants to bet Wonderland gets cancelled today?

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  73. I seriously doubt it. What will ABC replace it with? Betrayal has been doing worse and is still on the schedule.

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  74. I believe the CW has the option for a back 9 if the show does well so no not a limited series

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  75. I think Charlies Angels was pulled was similar numbera n it got a 1.1 today and is hurting Greys bringing ABC down on a strong night they could bring wipeout or some reality series

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  76. I have never watched the show, I have nothing against it. But I do watch and really enjoy TGW so if it is between one or the other I hope TGW is sparred. I think scheduling issues could also play a role there, because if renewed, Elementary would certainly need to be moved to Friday/Sunday, but if it is already performing at Friday/Sunday levels, CBS has no incentive to put it there and cancel TGW, especially when TGW is giving them syndication money.

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  77. Grey's Anatomy is a 10 year old series that had flop dramas, repeats or low rated reality shows as its lead in for like 80% of its run. It does not make sense to say that GA is being hurt by Wonderland. You may argue that a compatible well rated show there would help it out, sure, but it has always been a self starter, it wouldn't stop being one now.

    As for the reality series, this winter ABC has at least the following slots to fill:
    - Sundays a 8 (OUAT Winter hiatus)
    - Sundays at 9 (Revenge Winter hiatus)
    - Sundays at 10 (Betrayal will finish its run and get cancelled, if not pulled earlier)
    - Tuesdays at 10 (It's already empty)
    - Wednesdays at 10 (Nashville Winter hiatus)
    - Thursday at 8 (if Wonderland is pulled)
    - Thursdays at 9 (GA Winter hiatus)
    - Thursdays at 10 (Scandal Winter hiatus)


    On reserve, they have:
    - The Taste
    - The Quest
    - Killer Women
    - Mind Games
    - Ressurection


    However, it is unlikely that they launch the new dramas before the end of february since there are the olympics in february and they would kill their chances. Even if they did, they would still have 3 blank hours of programming! I am sure wipeout will need to be used there.

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  78. Scandal sure rules Thursday nights I wouldn't be surprised if it even hits a 5.0 one day

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  79. Just checking to see if you got my email yesterday?

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  80. Agreed, especially since Betrayal is already below 1.0

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  81. Elementary got a 1.8, which is a nice 20% recovery from last week. Elementary is holding up well enough, especially if last week really is just an anomaly. I still see CBS as renewing Elementary before the Good Wife. They might figure that some of the DVR audience overlaps with Scandal and that some of those people will watch on Friday/Sunday to make for however many it loses in the move. It certainly isn't pulling Friday/Sunday numbers just yet.


    I think the Good Wife's fate may be tied more to its costs. The cast is large and well-known. Maybe syndication will get it an extra season pushed back to 10 PM, maybe not. I'm a fan of both shows so I hope they both get renewed, but if the Good Wife ends now it will be going out on top.

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  82. I hadn't seen it. Just saw it now. I will answer to you in a bit, thank you!

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  83. That is true about the ratings, I made the comment before seeing the ratings from today. A 1.8 level should get it renewed.

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  84. Cool, no worries. I'm not around much this weekend so no rush ;)

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  85. Scandal has gotten better and better and it just builds up. I don't know why you want a great show to not have good ratings. the hell man

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  86. True we are on diff sides since I watch Elem and I don't watch TGW. Ratings wise Elem does skew older but it does have a decent following as seen in its viewership so I am hoping both get spared.

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  87. Bye,Bye Wonderland..

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  88. Hurray for Scandal! Keep the good ratings coming. TCO really deserves so much more. And Glad Elem is okay, 1.8 is good, really thought it would be lower.

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  89. 0.6 ? By far not a fan of Reign but I hope they stabilize, otherwise theCW has a major flop on their hands considering the budget they had to have for the marketing and the fact that of most new shows this one appears to be the most expensive one

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  90. I think they are fine with this level during fall and they can easily replace it with the 100 come winter.

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  91. premiere rating doesn't represent an entire series. for example, Hart of Dixie back when its in 1st season. lowest rated new show (vs TSC and Ringer) but still be renewed and those two higher reted than HoD got canned. if Reign can stay above 0.5-0.6, it will be renewed or even get a back order.

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  92. Still the money they spent for Reign will be sorta lost. Remember the huge marketing campaign the show had ? Lost money in this case.
    Also I doubt they'll get a dvd/bluray release in case the show doesen't get a back nine order

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  93. 1.1 . It should be in the table.

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  94. it's not, like most CW shows this one also has the possibility of a back nine order.

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  95. That yes, for sure. But remember, the CW operates under operating losses, which means that they loose money in the process of producing/buying shows and getting revenues for it (as in the cost of producing or buying the shows is higher than the revenues they get from the adds placed on it). They make their profits by selling their shows to syndication. Therefore, Reign having a negative net result is not something new. There are probably just a couple of shows on the cw (if that) that don't result in losses.

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  96. They should change up the schedule. I wanna say move it to 9pm on Sundays, and move Revenge to 10, but that would kill Revenge which is already not doing so hot with ratings. I have said this so many times: it should have been a summer show!!!

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  97. i hope once upon a time in wonderland doesnt get cancelled i have enjoyed it so far.

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  98. didn't look at it from this perspective. In this case Reign failing must've been more than a calculated risk, still I'm sure that some execs might be shocked about these numbers.
    Simply the way it was promoted suggested that it was at least expected to be a moderate success, I didn't see buses with ads for Tomorrow People or Originals tacked on, I did sit in two buses with ads for Reign tough.


    At this point i personally feel sorry for Reigns marketing departement (I might have too much empathy for theCWs marketing departement in general), because no matter what I think of the show: the marketing was excessive

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  99. László Harsányi25 October 2013 at 16:47

    I don't think so. A) It is a limited series, all of its episodes has to be in the box now, so no cost savings. B) What show would be better there with repeats? Their No.1-2. are right after the timeslot. Their No.3 drama is Castle and its repeats would probably be even lower. Airing the new show has at least a minimal chance of improving rates.

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  100. It might not be canned just yet considering that it IS a spin-off and they can make some money of it by selling it alongside with OuaT in DVD sets but I guess that after season 1 it might be done if it doesen't get better

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  101. WHY wonderland WHYYY! That slot doesnt work for ABC the show is good! and is doing awfull cause of that time slot! Reigh went down it was expeced, i hope it adjust up! Greys nice to see it up from last week!

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  102. Idk what the CW expected especially with the way that particular time slot hasn't been working well for their other shows.

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  103. I thought BatB did .6 last week?

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  104. I think Wonderland will play out the rest of its 10 Episodes. However I don't think it will be getting a Season 2. Shame really it actually is a good show it just is on a bad Night.

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  105. Also if they were to take one thing away from Wonderland and put it on the Orginal show I think they need to bring Jafar in on the Main Series maybe the 2nd half of Season 3.

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  106. It was adjusted down.

    You can see all final ratings in the ratings database

    www.stvplus.com

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  107. It was inflated, it got a 0.3 in the finals

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  108. It's possible since several characters have already crossed over from the original series to this one.

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  109. sounds like a personal bet to me of the increasing success of the show. I don't find it offensive or irritating.

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  110. I understand that it is liked by some but , just no for me not at all interesting

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  111. It is a certain cancellation at this point I am affraid

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  112. 5.0 seems a little far stretched. Low 4's maybe, but I don't think it would hit 5.0
    I think it might peak during S3, and then slowly decline from there.

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  113. For me I don't trust NBC to continue a show I like beyond the 1st season. It has, over the years proven to drop shows, in my opinion, prematurely and hang on to shows that are mediocre. Granted I am older than most of the fans of this site but that is my opinion. Hate to start up anything with them until the second season and only if I haven't developed a love for a different network in that time slot.

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  114. its a real shame , what are the chances of them moving it to a new timeslot?

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  115. Oh no I have such high hopes for this one :(

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  116. summer burn off or Saturday burn off could happen does that would count as a new time slot?

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  117. I started to trust IGN and it gave it 6.9. So I hope the people who said the pilot is pretty bad are wrong.

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  118. Are you sure they spent a lot with its campaign? 'cause I've read comments of people asking on what network it airs o.o

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  119. I don't know wether they spent much on it but they certainly had plenty of ads out

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  120. Some The Vampire Diaries' fans are annoying 'cause they don't even give a chance to the following series. Even The Originals dropped 0.2 airing after it.

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  121. The Big Bang Theory down three tenths, but will most likely be adjusted up. The Millers down four-tenths, but despite of that, The Crazy Ones is only down a tenth, which is a good sign. I hope it is adjusted up too. Two and a Half Men up two-tenths. Elementary rose two-tenths after last week's series low.

    Once Upon A Time In Wonderland down two-tenths to a dismal 1.1. Wonder how low it will go before it ends its run. Grey's Anatomy up a tenth and Scandal down three-tenths, but still the highest rated drama of the night.


    NBC shows are even from last week.


    The Vampire Diaries and Reign down two-tenths each. Will they be adjusted up?

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  122. I remember when NBC was gold,and it wasn't all that long ago.They started having problems 8,10 years ago,at least they are trying to get back to solid programming.

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  123. Maybe, but The CW should consider the general broadcast tv's situation, which isn't great. Take a look at Once Upon A Time in Wonderland, Lucky 7, Hostages, We Are Men, Dads, The Michael J. Fox, Welcome To The Family and Ironside results. They weren't/aren't great, so CW should be more patient.
    And remember the presence of the Baseball game that caused problems to different shows(Arrow and The Tomorrow People dropped, too), but I hope the loss of young viewers won't be permanent.

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  124. in me you'll find a deaf conversation partner trying to argue that the reason Reign fails is the bad situations fault. The show is


    a.) not a genre the networks general audience is used to


    b.) poorly researched and painful to watch for anyone that had to read Schillers Mary Stuart, wich was also pretty opinionated as a piece of art AND had to suffer trough 6 hours of my history professors lecture about the deep conflict between the english and the scots (ironically my prof's irish)


    c.) awfully made, the costumes feel more like a few cheerleaders had to buy them for their medival themed bonfire and the sets reek of soundstage


    d.) the acting is monotone and it baffles me how any of these people actually managed to make it to a CW show.


    Personally I'll always happily proclaim that Reign failed because it's bad, bad scheduling asside

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  125. I agree that it will finish its order. I am just worried because the writers had said that it was meant to have 18 eps instead of 13 so I am affraid we could be left hanging. Let's hope not.

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  126. At this point I would be shocked if they moved it.

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  127. You could make that argument - that it is too early to make any prediction - for any network, for any show, up until march or april. As it stands, looking at not only relative ratings but also at trends, it is highly unlikely that the originals is not renewed, it is likely that the tomorrow people is renewed and it is a toss up situation tending for the unlikely renewal for reign.

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  128. I will be SHOCKED if The Carrie Diaries is not cancelled this year.

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  129. Personally, what baffles me (although this is by no means exclusive to NBC) is how can we all spot bad ideas at the freaking day of the upfronts, yet NBC executives (whose job is to think about this) cannot and continue loose money because of that. I mean, we all knew that Welcome to the family would bomb, what chances did it have? We all knew that putting Sean Hayes anchoring the entire comedy block was a bad move, they did it anyway. I mean, how is it possible? There is some stuff that they've tried that could have worked and just didn't unfortunately but the moves were good (go on last season for instance), but others are just astonishingly bad, so it is no surprise at all that they don't work. The same reason why we all knew Betrayal, Lucky 7, We Are Men, et all would be dead. Yet, they went ahead, spent tones of money on it and proved us right.

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  130. I think it was mostly critics who bashed the show.

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  131. I DO watch the show. that's why I told this.

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  132. The Crazy Ones deserves so much better! Put it after TBBT and put The Millers behind TAAHM!

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  133. With all the due respect to the critics' thoughts, I watch whatever I want. Their bad comments won't stop me from watch what I find interesting(at least from the plot).

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