Zap2it was on set during filming of this episode, so we can reveal that Martin learns that Benny has returned to his hometown and is working at a diner under an assumed name. It's not long before -- surprise, surprise -- people start turning up dead from... er... animal attacks.
We've heard that one before.
Martin is sure that Benny is behind the killings, and when he confronts the Winchesters, Dean is furious with Sam for going behind his back. Sam does his best to give Dean the benefit of the doubt, though, and despite Martin's protests, he agrees to give Dean some extra time to find out if Benny is guilty... and how to handle it.
The episode also features Kathleen Munroe, of "Haven," "Alphas," and "CSI: NY" as Elizabeth, a local who works with Benny. It's about time Dean got his flirt on again.
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We've heard that one before.
Martin is sure that Benny is behind the killings, and when he confronts the Winchesters, Dean is furious with Sam for going behind his back. Sam does his best to give Dean the benefit of the doubt, though, and despite Martin's protests, he agrees to give Dean some extra time to find out if Benny is guilty... and how to handle it.
The episode also features Kathleen Munroe, of "Haven," "Alphas," and "CSI: NY" as Elizabeth, a local who works with Benny. It's about time Dean got his flirt on again.
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Ty is apparently in episode 10 so we know he wont die in episode 9 at least.
ReplyDeleteWait- isn't Martin the hunter who was in the nut house? I hope to heck they are double checking his work!
ReplyDeleteI have a feeling Benny will be innocent as it appears he and Dean are hunting the actually perps in the episode promo pics which means Dean right and Sam wrong.
ReplyDeleteSo what of Dean's big decision in the episode? Does Benny kill Martin and end up having to be put down or does Dean decide to head off with Benny?
I just dont see the writers making Dean the one in the wrong in any way here and I dont see them have Sam come out looking anything but the bad brother.
I love Kathleen Munroe, hope she has a juicy role.
ReplyDeleteCan we drop the "But...but...but... Sam couldn't find anyone to help him to find Dean!" excuse now, Carver?
ReplyDeleteYou know what's come to my mind about this? Castiel got sucked to a place where they are having him spy on the winchesters, and not remember it. What if this party is responsible for Sam not searching for Dean, to keep Dean from getting out, but now that Dean's out they had to change the plan... What if Sam just /not/ looking for Dean or trying to save Dean is because of something they did to make him not?? At least.. I'm hoping there's some rational explanation for this OOCness.. I truly am.
ReplyDeleteI'm kind of scared because I'm starting to hope the same as you and I'm afraid as hell that we'll just be let down. I want this to happen so much. The "Sam didn't try to look for Dean" bit is affecting the whole way I'm seeing the season and stopping me to really enjoy it.
ReplyDeleteI think the big decision will be Dean going off to investigate what's really going on rather than letting Martin take care of Benny. I would expect no less from him when someone he cares about is involved. I don't think Benny will turn out to be guilty this time. Maybe later in the season when/if he returns that will change, but right now TPTB seem to be more interested in his attempts to find a place in the world again. It is a new story for them and a nice change of pace.
ReplyDeleteWho's right is beside the point. It's about an interesting character [and great actor] who brings something to SPN it's rarely had before - a recurring monster POV.
ReplyDeleteCharacters like Lenore & Gordon Walker are fascinating, and if Carver is serious about repopulating SPN, then I want to keep this awesome guy around, and not kill him off just for cheap drama, or some falsely perceived fan service.
The cheap drama is how they have written Sam this season , cheap and devaluing .
ReplyDeleteThe irony will be Benny will turn out to be innocent , we get him and Dean working together while we wont see alot of Sam , Martin will prove to be the unstable one and Sam sent Martin to Benny. Benny and Dean will get the real killer .Martin will either be killed or Benny will save Martin,s life and Sam will be the brother who got it wrong and doubted not only his brother Dean but Dean,s brother Benny.
Dean will have to make a tough decision which will allow us to feel even more sorry for him while Sam is undermined even more than he has been such is the nature of Supernatural nowadays and we go into the hiatus .
Is that the excuse? I've thought it more along the lines of SAM DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHERE TO START LOOKING. No amount of manforce would have helped him with that. You can't find anything when you don't know what happened to it in the first place.
ReplyDeleteBenny needs to stick around. He's quirky, he's snarky, he's funny, he's interesting. Plus, Dean needs a friend. Like, a realy friend. He needs a brodude, someone who's not Sam or Castiel simply because he has too much history with Sam and Cas.
ReplyDeleteI am still loving this season, but Sam not even looking is just NOT Sam and how did he learn the backward Demon spell?
ReplyDeleteI really enjoy Benny, he is funny, seems loyal and he is HOT. lol
ReplyDeleteYes he didn't know where to look but he also brought up everyone was dead and he was on his own, they've even said in interviews this was the first time Sam was truly on his own. But it seems he has Martin's no. we know he had Jodie's no., who had all of Bobby's books and could have tried Garth and found out earlier that he had taken up the Bobby slack. Yep there was no-one to ask if they could possibly have had an idea where to start looking for Dean even if one told him to sort himself out before trying or it was futile.
ReplyDeleteNow with this Sam is starting to look like a bit of a dick considering he can call Martin if he wants something but not to see if the crazy man has any ideas where his brother could be. The sooner they get to the half were we get to see the mess Sam was in after Dean disappeared the better for Sam.
Maybe that's just me, a person whose entire family died on them, but I've always thought that the "Sam is completely alone" thing was more about Sam having lost all ties to hunting, all reasons why he couldn't just take the car and drive to Canada. For me, it wasn't that Sam was alone thus he didn't have help in finding Dean. For me, it was about Sam whose parents are dead. Whose adoptive father is dead. Whose BROTHER is dead (and we do know that Sam thought that). Even that bloody angel of theirs is dead. Crowley has the prophet. Meg runs away. Really, what is there for Sam in the hunting world except heartbreak and grief and impressions of dead people everywhere? I understand why he decided to leave it all behind, as much as he could. Hell, that's what DEAN did after s5 and he STILL HAD BOBBY AND CAS.
ReplyDeleteSam, I think, was being as reasonable and well-adjusted as a person who's lost everything and EVERYONE can be. He was definitely doing better than Dean between s5-6. Sam, at the very least, didn't try to force himself into some role that didn't truly fit him. He had nothing so he decided to find something for himself. And I love that he did that. I love that it means he's finally growing up and accepting that, sometimes, things just happen and people just die and you have to let them go.
It was one of the excuses used by TPTB, yes.
ReplyDeleteWell, if a family member of mine disappears, I will at last try to look. And Sam had done that before on season 7. Sorry if I don't buy this sorry excuse of them either.
Not true, since he has found Martin to help with Benny, guess he could have called him, or Jody. I still don't believe that Sam is the way they are making him seem like. Something else is going on with him and I am looking forward to finding out what it is.
ReplyDeleteDean did not run in season 6, he was mad at Sam for not telling him he was still alive after he had spent a year looking for a way to help him.
Sam had no reason to believe Dean was dead. He could at last try to look. Not doing that is out of character since he had lost "everyone" in the episode 7.12 but looked and found him anyway. Besides, he found Martin to help him now, didn't he? Why he couldn't call him to help him to find Dean? This doesn't make sense.
ReplyDeleteNot at last trying to look for someone you care about isn't "to grow up". It's not caring. And I refuse to believe the Sam I've known for 7 years would do that, so I'm still hoping for a plot twist.
I hope you're right. Like I said, I'm scared to hope and be let down, but I still hope for a plot twist that will explain why Sam didn't look. (Or maybe he looked and don't remember)
ReplyDeleteI agree, but it's being very hard for me to enjoy this season. The lack of brotherly love (and Sam) is getting to me since the beginning. :(
ReplyDeleteI refuse to believe Sam did not look..call me hard headed, but I have loved these guys since the pilot and Sam not looking, just can't be.
ReplyDeleteMe, too and I agree... I'm just scared because I don't know what TPTB are thinking/doing, you know... Like you, I'm overprotective to Sam and Dean and I want TPTB to preserve them and their relationship.
ReplyDeleteI honestly hope that's all there is about Sam, an adult accepting the fact that his brother's dead and trying to move on with his life. I will be seriously disappointed if they turn it into yet another outside force manipulation. Gosh, let the characters grow up, for fuck's sake!
ReplyDeleteAnd yes, Dean run. He gave Sam a stupid promise and then was so broken that he tried to fulfil it. He was mad at Sam for not telling him he was alive because Dean would rather hit the road with Sam than stay with Lisa. Not because he was actively trying to free Sam; we know he wasn't.
It makes all the sense. What was he supposed to say, if he'd called Martin? "Hey, Martin. My brother and his angel killed this super monster and vanished into thin air, help me find them? No, I don't know where they are. No, I don't know what happened to them. I'm just gonna drive aimlessly for the rest of my life and hope that I'll meet them in a diner somewhere." Martin was supposed to help? Or Jodi? Help HOW exactly? No one knows anything about the Leviathan. What was known was on the tablet and, surprise, Kevin was gone too. With a tablet. Sam had all the reason to believe Dean was dead. More, he DID believe Dean was dead.
ReplyDeleteI did rewatch 6x01 two days ago. Dean went to Lisa because he was too broken to BREAK the promise he gave Sam. And he didn't look for a way to bust Sam out. He'd put Imapala and his hunting stuff into a garage and only used it when he thought something might endanger Lisa and Ben. He cut off all the ties he had with the hunting world when he stopped talking to Bobby.
Letting go of someone who's dead is a responsible, grown-up action. Not being able to do just that is what allowed third parties to fuck the Winchesters over repeatedly in the past. I love Sam as a character and I'm glad that he's finally coming to terms with this. He's accepting the fact that he can't save everyone, that sometimes people just die and he can't make everything right. What he can get right is his own life.
It's something, I hope, Dean will learn in s8 too.
You must have watched a different show than I did, because Dean told Sam he had gotten books and looked into everything to find a way to get Sam out of Hell.
ReplyDeleteI agree that it's a bit out of character, and there were other hunters out there who could have helped him. He didn't know where to start looking, but he could have done research on several different things, I'm sure. He could have spent the rest of his life searching for an answer, but instead he just ran. And I just want to know WHY he ran. It's not bad writing if they can come up with a better answer than "he didn't know what to do". The Winchesters always know what to do.
ReplyDeleteThen show us Sam being a mess, show him grieving and having to make the decision of his own mental health or looking. I'm fine with that. That I can handle and makes your view completely valid.
ReplyDeleteHowever at the moment we don't have that what we have is Sam saying 'everyone was dead' and 'I had no where to start looking' then picks up a phone to call someone who has been alive the whole entire time to get him to do something he wants done. If he can pick up the phone to Martin to sic him on Benny then he could have picked up the phone to Martin to ask had he seen any omens about where Dean was. Martin might not have been useful, as might not have Garth or Jody but doesn't mean he couldn't have,
As for Dean having Bobby and Cas after season 5, yes technically he did but he didn't contact them and they didn't contact him. And promise to Sam or not (including trying to squeeze himself into a life he wasn't ready for) he still got his own resources by getting books himself to look.
Yes. The same person who told Bobby was tired of it all and then organized BBQ parties for a year. Which gets me back to my original point - from what we know, Sam didn't do anything Dean didn't.
ReplyDeleteWe should just agree to disagree. I will forever defend Sam's actions post-s7 because - to me - they are reasonable and smart and right and I am proud of how far he'd gone since s3-4.
We know Sam is willing to be the hunter that takes out Benny if required. But I can't see Benny taking too kindly to that and can see him telling Sam that if Sam does come after him then his friendship with Dean or not he isn't going to take it lying down.
ReplyDeleteSo maybe the big decision Dean has to make at the end (if Benny is still with us) is simply to leave Benny and Sam to sort out their differences by themselves and not get in the middle because they are both adults and know the consequences of what will happen.
The line in 6.01 in Bobby's kitchen is something along the lines
ReplyDelete"I collected hundreds of books trying to figure a way to bust you out"
"You promised to leave it alone!"
"I didn't, sue me"
Tell me if that is the case did Dean not do something that Sam didn't do.
For all Sam knew, Dean could have been transported to another place on Earth. He could have at last tried to contact someone to find this out. Sam not even doing this isn't normal.
ReplyDeleteAbout Dean... Seriously, rewatch 6.01 today again. And please pay attention this time. Thank you.
Dude, seriously, i don't know who you're trying to convince here, but Dean did dtry to get Sam out. sadly we didn't SEE it, but it was talked about.
ReplyDeleteThank you so much for the quotes.
ReplyDeleteIt's fine to have different perspective and even think Sam was right to not look for Dean. I can try to agree to disagree on that, but please, don't try to re-write Canon.
Exactly! :)
ReplyDeleteI would be ok if he tried and then let it go. But not even try, not even for a while? It doesn't make sense IMO, especially for Sam, who is very smart.
I have a question. Vampires are a type of demon so if they close the gates to hell and all demons are stuck in hell, does that mean that Benny will be sucked down to hell and have to stay there?
ReplyDeleteYou do realise that Martin does know what the boys do for a living - Sam could have quiet easily said what you suggest and Martin with a few questions probably would have believed him. As for Jodie she could have given Sam access to Bobby's library to look around.
ReplyDeleteAs for letting go of someone, yes it is grown up but the way Sam has been portrayed and the inconsistencies of suddenly Sam calling an old family friend to get something done and behind Dean's back when he didn't do it when Dean disappeared doesn't paint Sam in a good light.
Well for those who are scared about the brothers' relationship, be happy because Suzanne Gomez, CW Director Publicity, teased us with her tweet here https://twitter.com/Chico6/status/271048737370042370 "Reading new Supernatural script. This conversation between Sam and Dean
ReplyDeleteis one of the most emotional and raw convos they've had. So good."
Aaah.. can't wait for February!
No, monsters and demons are different species in the SPN verse. Monsters are from Eve in Purgatory, who is possibly a descendant of the Leviathan. Demons are humans twisted into something more evil by a fallen angel.
ReplyDeleteSam not looking for his brother is wrong no matter how you slice it.......I will not believe that there is more at work here than Sam hitting a dog and becoming Mr Fix -it. I still do believe that there was ever an Amelia.....or there was an Amelia but the whole relationship thing never happened except inside Sams mind.....The way Castiel tried to free Dean from survivor guilt..and his words to Dean "you can't save everyone my friend"......well maybe he will have something to tell Dean about Sam not looking for him.......I hate the angst btwn my boys......
ReplyDeleteNo thanks this isnt a scenario I would want to see .Benny is a vampire he wouldnt be that shocked a hunter would come looking for him wether it is Martin or Sam or any other hunter come to that.
ReplyDeleteI dont really find the whole Benny versus Sam scenario the writers seem to want to set up appealling esp has Sam has always been more inclined to give 'monsters' a chance but then again the writers seem to be ignoring Sam,s past character traits to create this whole thing.
Dean's tough decision will have something to do with either Benny or Sam I think and we will go into the hiatus on it.
..I am agree dean has to liberate some male stem a good hook up will be very good for him
ReplyDeleteNo I don't see Benny being shocked though Sam might be having someone like Benny telling that if he wants to bring it on then fine and not have Dean jump in on either side.
ReplyDeleteBefore whenever a family member has been threatened Dean is usually first to jump in as protector. It would be a big move for him to let Sam deal with this by himself when really he is the one that is making a move on Benny (especially considering he is the one that usually is inclined to give monsters a second chance).
It doesn't mean Dean doesn't have his back, just that he has moved on from blindly fighting everyone else's fight.
I agree with the concept Dean needs to be wrong with Benny for the reasons you stated and reasons I have seen elsewhere. The trouble is the show created a rod for it,s own back with Dean a long time ago.
ReplyDeleteI do get the balance thing but the problem with making Benny guilty for the reasons you have stated is that it makes a rod for Sam's back too. If the setup had Sam spending more than 3 seconds with Benny and been able to get more than a handshake from the guy to allow him to have gotten a proper vibe to became suspicious then it making Benny guilty makes sense.
ReplyDeleteHowever we didn't get that we got three seconds and Sam being pissed at Dean for keeping secrets and that along with Sam being willing to let Kate the werewolf go (someone he had only seen a video of) the episode before he found out about Benny so showing that Sam is still in the monsters should have a chance club) what we have is the feeling that Sam is acting on his issues with Dean's rather than just concern about Benny himself.
So now even if Benny does turn out to be guilty the motivation behind why Sam sent Martin after Benny is now clouded for me. It has changed from Sam being rightly concerned about why his brother has had such a u turn regarding letting monsters live to me waiting for Sam's 'In your face' moment to Dean.
That does Sam down, so the faster we get to the part where we see Sam's year off the better it will be for balance.
It's a mismatch. Benny is a superstrong vampire and Sam a strong human. Suppose Benny and Sam chat like adults and one ticks the other off- doesn't matter who - and Benny gets the upper hand and "accidentally" kills Sam - is Dean expected to shrug that off with a "well, they were both adults".
ReplyDeleteI *DO* understand your intent though and if Benny & Sam were two normal, unarmed adults- not both lethal "weapons" in their own way - it would be a reasonable decision for Dean to make.
No Dean shouldn't be expected to shrug off Benny 'accidentally' killing Sam. But neither should Dean shrug off Sam accidentally killing Benny if he hasn't done anything as he is so far neither Amy or Ruby even with the superficial parallels. I'm obviously not saying Dean should kill Sam if he kills Benny but there has to be consequences if the vamp had been living a quiet life doing what he promised Dean and Sam ends that.
ReplyDeleteAt the moment it is Sam gunning for Benny not the other way around but brother or not if Dean doesn't think it is right Dean shouldn't be obligated to simply nod and go along with Sam's view point. Sam knows exactly what the consequences of his actions could be for him and has proven that he is capable of dealing with them.
As you said both Benny and Sam are lethal 'weapons' in a sense and they are both capable of inflicting damage. Sam has in the past has decapitated a super strong vampire with a wire and his bare hands. Sam isn't a little boy he is a grown man and a capable hunter.
It would be growth in both boys character that Dean doesn't run after Sam to try and fight all Sam's battles at the expense of himself and Sam stops simply expecting Dean to come round, deal or forgive him after he goes off on one, which I think both boys still do to a certain extent.
Sorry for the delay. No I agree, athough it *should* be a far greater blow to Dean if Benny (hypothetically) kills Sam - his real brother. Sam is not going to kill Benny in 8.09; I read a post here, maybe, that Ty had tweeted that he and Jared had no scenes together and I assume Ty had completed filming his part in the episode.
ReplyDeleteSam is following his gut - and he is allowed to do that - because based on his really bad experience with Ruby and not Amy - he knows first hand how dangerous it can be to become "attached" to any "supernatural buddy" who comes from a deadly species. In Sam's mind Dean cannot look at Benny objectively because he's too close to him, just as Dean said Sam was too close to look at Amy objectively. Sam is not directly gunning for Benny, he just sent Martin to observe and report as Martin was looking for a "job" so he could ease back into Hunting. Things were probably pretty quite in the "supernatural world" and Sam and Dean should be back on "Search for Tablets" detail not that the Trans are safe with Garth.
Sam came clean to Dean in the sneak peek and except for serious reservations about Martin (I would have them too if I was Dean), Dean seemed to accept Sam's decision to have Benny tailed after he heard by the vampire-like killings where Benny had settled down. Dean is a hunter who values life - he can't ignore deaths just because his vampire friend may be involved. Naturally Dean is going to give Benny the benefit of a doubt - and cutting to the "ending" (not necessarily the end of 8.09) I think that Dean will put Benny down *if* Benny resumes killing.
I don't know how the episode is going to end but I do more than halfway expect the boys to separate for a time. "Leaving" to cool off is an anger management tool more recommended by psychologists than coming to physical blows - not that Sam and Dean have anywhere close to "normal lives" but I wouldn't judge either brother too harshly if the events in 8.09 cause one or both of them to want time apart. It's not just the "Benny issue" that's possibly devisive - I think JP said there were going to be some Sam/Amelia stuff going on too but IDK if its going to be flashbacks or real time and if they are sufficiently upsetting, this could also cause Sam to re-evaluate his life again,
But from the clips he is not shouting remember Ruby. He hasn't told Dean that he isn't being objective here. He shouted Amy and 'Any hunter worth his salt wouldn't let a vamp walk around' and in the promo 'I don't know Benny', This from a man who let Lenore walk after a five minute talk and only a couple of episodes before let a werewolf who he knew who killed walk too on the strength of a paranormal activity clip and they are less likely to be able to control themselves than vampires.
ReplyDeleteAs for the sneak peak, yes Sam came clean yes that was mature but after Martin had been on Benny for a while. Which is an action that isn't mature in the first place so his actions are 50/50 for me on the whole maturity stakes seeing how sneaking off to another state behind Dean's back would have been hard. He could have easily argued when Martin first called that Benny needed tailed because of what happened with Ruby or how it was suspicious that only Benny knew about the portal or a myriad of other reasons that Dean couldn't argue with. Or if he was scared of Dean's objectivity so needed to keep it a secret he could have asked Garth for help who is a lot more solid than an ex mental patient.. Plus even if Dean wasn't happy about it Sam could have also argued that if Dean trusted Benny not to fall off the wagon that much Martin tailing him shouldn't be a problem in fact it keeps a mentally fragile Martin out of harms way until he finds his feet out of the hospital as otherwise he'd try and find another much more dangerous job which he probably wouldn't be ready for.
As for Dean, he stated when Sam first found out about Benny if he goes off the straight and narrow he had no problem if a hunter takes him out so I don't find his reply a real surprise about being willing to go check it out and too deal with Benny if required (because I too think if Benny is killing Dean will be the one to deal with it). But I also see him going to check things out because the intel is from a source that can be described as not 100% reliable in his eyes which Martin with his past is so I can't see Dean wanting to allow any other hunter to go after his friend on if Martin is wrong and if they do I can see Sam paying the price for that seeing how he set this all in motion.
As for the end I too can see the boys splitting up to cool off and think that the Benny stuff needed to be divisive as it is another way to show the differences in how Sam and Dean cope with things and the state of their relationship especially in Sam's head seeing how I think his perception of Benny is probably linked to what he thinks went wrong with Amelia, him thinking Dean just wants to see the best in a monster rather than seeing that unlike him running and hiding with Amelia, Dean actually forged a hard won alliance where he got the pit falls but was still true to himself, because I don't see Dean being comfortable in backstabbing someone he fought in the trenches with unless they showed they were untrustworthy, something Benny hadn't done at that point..
In the sneak peek, Sam told Dean that Martin had only been released "a month ago" therefore Martin was not available during Sam's year. Plus I really believe that JC seems intent on making Sam look like the most dick-ish bro in history with this Sam/Amelia storyline - :(( - when Sam had lots of other resources as virtually everyone has stated - it pisses me off (not at you, at JC).
ReplyDeleteMy guess is that JC is running with the Sam-was-so-messed-up from his already tenuous mental state (from his unresolved Cage Trauma issues) after Dean and Cas disappeared when they ganked Roman that he fixed the impala "and just ran", preferring to "forget" every possible contact, ritual and the extensive lore gained from John, Bobby and the Campbell library and the boys own personal experiences to protect himself mentally (i.e. Sam's mind "disengaged" itself from all things - including Dean and Cas's disappearance or deaths - "supernatural".) Double "I.E.", I can only imagine JC considers this Sam's "Human" storyline with a real human reaction to experiening trauma piled upon trauma, loss after loss.