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25 Feb 2012

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152 comments:

  1. Thirty25 February 2012 at 03:01

    That was brilliant.

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  2. M25 February 2012 at 03:04

    I need some time to process what I just saw... O__________________O

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  3. SraMegan25 February 2012 at 03:04

    SO SAD!!!

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  4. Jimi Sturges25 February 2012 at 03:04

    I thought the episode was good i knew that was not the right Nina in the room with Olivia. The end of the episode sucked i just hope in the last 8 episodes they fix this whole peter needs to get back to his time line im pretty sure he is in the right place everybody but Olivia just don't remember him. And they keep saying that Peter is pushing his memories onto Olivia. Just a bit frustration im dealing with here.

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  5. David Filho25 February 2012 at 03:05

    Isn't there a heartbreaking option? Bc it should've... I guess I should just choose awesome. So sad..

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  6. vicmic0825 February 2012 at 03:05

    I don't even know what to say about that episode except that it was amazing! There's too much going through my head right now to even type!

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  7. DarqueMode25 February 2012 at 03:05

    Initial thoughts...
    I swear, can't spying types come up with a more original place to hide cams or bugs than vents and smoke detectors? XDMore callbacks to the past with Olivia being kidnapped like in Season 1, then by the ZFT warriors who were led by DRJ and this time DRJ himself!"All creatures need an incentive to perform tasks" sounds a lot like "And the expectation must be that they shall be unwilling..." to me!No dammit Olivia! Don't trust this Nina! It's a trap, man!Dammit I knew it!Well okay then. You go all Zeus on your abductors! Zaaaaaaap-Powww!- Things being recorded over and over on some medium with the previous events bleeding through... that sounds like our FRINGE timelines with events happening over and over and bleeding through...- Well hello Mr. X!(I guess Peter is not a fan of wrinkle-free technology.)A lot of stock in the Peter=Mr. X crowd now when combineNice to get a bit info on the Observers....- Scientists from the future/ many possible futures.- They enjoy seeing key events not of history in the broad sense but of their own history and origins.- Their names are code names more than proper names.

    Not as epic as I had hoped but Awesome nonetheless.

    Need to watch it again .... 

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  8. So Contagious25 February 2012 at 03:06

    I'm torn between "Holy crap, that was amazing!" and "I'm gonna kill the Fringe writers like chickens."  And I only saw the last fifteen minutes.

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  9. SraMegan25 February 2012 at 03:07

    So we still don't know how/why Peter was able to come back in physical form after being erased from the timeline?

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  10. Krista Crim25 February 2012 at 03:08

     My thoughts exactly.

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  11. DarqueMode25 February 2012 at 03:12

    December seems to think September was responsible for it... or at least said he was. 
    No comment on how though sadly....

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  12. DarqueMode25 February 2012 at 03:12

    December seems to think September was responsible for it... or at least said he was. 
    No comment on how though sadly....

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  13. SraMegan25 February 2012 at 03:16

    But didn't September say to Peter that he didn't even know how he (Peter) was able to come back?

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  14. laura334125 February 2012 at 03:17

    It wasn't Epic,but damn it was AWESOME! Just a few quickies- I am so glad Olivia didn't die,i was sure she would when she collapsed in the room,i thought she was a goner..

    There are 3 different timelines,3 different Olivia's.

    When Peter went into the machine,Henry cease to exist and Peter realized he needs to go home.

    I must watch again and again....
     
     

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  15. Jimi Sturges25 February 2012 at 03:17

    September did buy the things he need it to do the job in the start of the season just don't think he had a chance to use them.

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  16. Melissa Nunes25 February 2012 at 03:19

    Best. Episode. Ever.

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  17. Thirty25 February 2012 at 03:19

    Something I thought of during the episode....

    September has told Olivia she has to die. It obviously took a lot out of her using her powers. I wonder if she loves Peter enough to die(overloading her powers) to send Peter home.

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  18. DarqueMode25 February 2012 at 03:20

    I think the "right" Henry born of Red Universe Peter (even if raised in Blue) and Blue Universe Olivia is the creator of the Observers. At least related to them in some manner. The Observer technology having blue and red lights constantly makes me think they are a byproduct of someone who is a byproduct of the two universes.

    Re: Peter's importance...
    IT may come down to his role to play in the grand design could be killing Olivia. If this Mr. X on Walter's machine tonight was foreshadowing.... If not.... so many options.

    Even if Walter had originally saved his Peter, ZFT could have risen and the two universes could have been deteriorating from the original experiment's Walter and Bell did I guess. If that was to be the case, then Olivia would eventually have come into contact with Peter. If not to get Walter out of an institution perhaps as a willing member of Fringe team?

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  19. SraMegan25 February 2012 at 03:20

    And why does Peter think its his influence on Olivia that's causing the memories??? I thought he realized that wasn't possible in the last episode with the memory about semtex that Olivia had that he never knew about...

    I'm still just as confused about everything as before! We STILL don't know if he is really home or even if there is a home for him to go to.

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  20. DarqueMode25 February 2012 at 03:22

    On second listen December says "as well as IF he [September] is responsible for Peter's return"... "if" not "is"....

    So we did not find out anything related to how he came back directly....

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  21. Totallyaddicted00525 February 2012 at 03:23

    Yeah b/c December told September to erase Peter, but September didn't. 

    THis still doesn't explain how Peter was floating and appearing to Liv and Walter in the first place it only explains how he was able to stick his landing. Assist: September. 

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  22. Totallyaddicted00525 February 2012 at 03:23

    OMG THAT WAS AMAZING.. Is a bad to say I feel like a drug attict, I need NEED my Fringe fix, I can't believe we have to wait 4 weeks!!! 4 F-ING WEEKS!! I DON'T KNOW. OMG That episode was AMAZING!!! mind BLOWN!

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  23. Dahne25 February 2012 at 03:23

    I must be the only one disappointed in this episode.  I didn't feel like it followed through on its answers promise and I'm still just as baffled about the Observers as always.  Maybe in rewatch I will find the "awesome" everyone else saw.

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  24. Totallyaddicted00525 February 2012 at 03:25

    im thinking that at the end of the season peter will do something that makes him into the not exting eather that he was in the beginning of the season

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  25. DarqueMode25 February 2012 at 03:26

    I like that idea.... 
    Although if this Olivia sacrifices herself to send Peter home, and we have seen Olivia (original flavor) saying that Mr. X kills her, then we end up losing both prime Olivias. That I do not like!

    Maybe the Mr. X kill was one possible future and will not occur? 
    That would be a bit of a let down and bait and switch though.....

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  26. SraMegan25 February 2012 at 03:27

    I don't feel like it was confirmed that there are 3 different timelines or Olivias. I still have the feeling that Peter is home and you can't just go to another timeline like you can with a universe.

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  27. DarqueMode25 February 2012 at 03:28

    Right..
    Two separate things to consider. Why Peter was able to return and how Peter was able to return.

    We know September not erasing him allowed him to return so that is the "why"... I wonder if he did something more to contribute to the "how" also.

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  28. Linlighthouse25 February 2012 at 03:29

    Good job, DarqueMode!
    I am very pleased that the writers are using callbacks of other episodes to help the audience organize the story. They've been doing this consciously over the last several episodes. This (possibly) final season is wonderful.

    Peter = Mr. X? I don't know. But if The Day We Died is real, then the Olivia Peter loves and ends up with is going to die at Walternate's hand.

    I expected more epicness also, and the "heartbreak" much hinted at did not demand tissues after all. I've kept myself from reading spoilers. Will go and read them now.

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  29. RobertAriadne25 February 2012 at 03:29

    So there was always supposed to be a Henry, just not Peter+Fauxlivia? Maybe.
    I just don't believe that the Observers are just humans from the future; I think they were created, probably by one of the Bishops. And, if the only thing that made Peter important was killing Olivia, that would be an enormous cop-out. If he's supposed to kill FAUXLIVIA, on the other hand, that might work.

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  30. SraMegan25 February 2012 at 03:30

    They must have decided to call him Mr. X for a reason. That can't just be a coincidence. 

    Totally agree on Red Peter and Blue Olivia's child too!

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  31. DarqueMode25 February 2012 at 03:31

    I voted "Great". 
    I did not think it was "Awesome" either.As more is revealed I may think it was "Awesome" looking back, but right now... not so much.I too felt the promised answers were more hinted at than given. Which is not a bad thing in itself, but I don;t think the "Answers are coming" promotional campaign was lived up o in the end.

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  32. DarqueMode25 February 2012 at 03:34

    The more Peter believes he is not home and with "his" Olivia, the more I believe he is already home and with her. Period. XD

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  33. grapes9h525 February 2012 at 03:34

    This episode did indeed answer the long running question "who or what are the Observers?" but OMFG did they make essential every other standing question ever on the show oldest to newest, the entire nature of the series and what its about, A BILLION times more complicated with this episode!!!!!!!!! I think this may be a good thing though, so long as the writers can handle it.

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  34. bsugirl25 February 2012 at 03:34

     EXACTLY! I feel like I'm going through withdrawal right now. I need that next episode STAT! My reaction after the show ended was, 'Holy. Mother. Good. God. SonOfABitch!' This show is amazing. NOTHING like it on TV.

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  35. grapes9h525 February 2012 at 03:36

    i know exactly what you mean. this episode was a total mind f**k on every level. The big mythology dump scene (combined with everything else that happened in the episode) only made essentially every question and mystery and plot point on the show infinitely more complicated.

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  36. DarqueMode25 February 2012 at 03:36

    I actually always felt that Olivia saw Mr. X killing Fauxlivia to begin with. Whenever people had this acid trip-like dreams and saw the future they were always seeing the other side... not their own. 

    I can't recall proof of that right now, but when we first saw Mr. X in the animation there was a discussion with a few events that supported that theory....

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  37. laura334125 February 2012 at 03:38

     I know your right it wasn't, i should have put the word might be 3 timeline and 3 Olivia's.I need to process and watch again. Before tonight's episode i thought Peter was home too,but at this moment i'm not sure..

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  38. taviow25 February 2012 at 03:39

    Can we have the episode table again now? With the ratings and such?

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  39. DarqueMode25 February 2012 at 03:41

    I was not one of the Peter=Mr X people to begin with, but I will consider it now after seeing him hooked up to the monitor marked "Mr. X" that combined his brainwaves with September's.... 

    Not sold just yet, but now I am considering buying it. XD

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  40. RobertAriadne25 February 2012 at 03:41

    I'm unconvinced Peter's the Mr. X from "Lysergic Acid Diethylamide". I rewatched that episode today (smart thinking) and I listened to the dialogue VERY closely: that man did NOT know who Peter was. If it was Peter, why would he ask him what his name was? Read the transcript (courtesy of Fringepedia):
    MR X: (kicks the door, knocking Peter down. points the gun at him.) How many are up there?PETER: It's just me.MR X: This is a flare gun. You don't want to get shot with a flare gun.WALTER: Peter--PETER: Walter, stay back!WALTER: Who are you?MR X: What's your name?PETER: Peter.MR X: Peter what?PETER: Peter Bishop.MR X: Nice to meet you. (fires the gun)

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  41. Linlighthouse25 February 2012 at 03:43

    The person on Walter's machine seemed to me to be Thomas Jerome Newton. I just thought it looked like him. If TJN turns out to be Mr. X it's ironic, because at one time Olivia had a chance to kill him.

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  42. SraMegan25 February 2012 at 03:45

    Yeah, I feel like we got one answer about the Observers but every other question still remains. I'm still just as confused as before!  At least we know which Nina is evil now. But that's about it!

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  43. RobertAriadne25 February 2012 at 03:47

    I remember that. The theory was, since Olivia was dosed with Fauxlivia's memories at the beginning of last season, Mr. X might be someone that Fauxlivia remembers.

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  44. Totallyaddicted00525 February 2012 at 03:50

    I KNOW!! I'm going crazy!! How we gonna do it bsugirl? How we gonna make it through the 4 weeks, any ideas??

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  45. DarqueMode25 February 2012 at 03:50

    Thanks for that!

    It reminds me of why (or part of why) I didn't think Peter is Mr X. 

    What iteration of Sam Weiss was the most recent Sam? Seven?
    I was just looking at the "X" as a "10" ... I think I have been down this road before. FRINGE makes my brain forget things....

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  46. Thirty25 February 2012 at 03:51

     When Peter showed up this season, I thought he had bled through to a second(comprised of a third and fourth world) universe. I still felt that way up until a couple of weeks back. Now, I'm not sure what to think.

    I almost wonder if the Mark I universe wasn't a skewed version of what should have happened. I'm not even sure what that would make whatever world this season is taking place in.

    Either way, I'm interested.

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  47. Linlighthouse25 February 2012 at 03:51

    I was wondering about that cone-shaped thing that was buried way back in season 1. We see it again in the promos for the next episode. Could that be how Peter gets back?

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  48. bsugirl25 February 2012 at 03:52

     I can't help you. It's only been 50 minutes since it went off and I've watched the new promo at least 25 times. This is gonna be really, really, really hard to wait for. LOL!

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  49. DarqueMode25 February 2012 at 03:57

    What does Walter call the data part that bleeds through after being recorded over? A Pallum cyst? I can't make out what he says and it's not a term I'm familiar with.....

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  50. RobertAriadne25 February 2012 at 03:57

    I noticed that also. I'm glad the writers are addressing that before it's too late.

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  51. percysowner25 February 2012 at 04:01

     I agree.  I also think that AmberOlivia has to "die" by totally forgetting her Amber memories and being reborn as OurOlivia.

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  52. RobertAriadne25 February 2012 at 04:01

    Seventh, yeah.

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  53. Linlighthouse25 February 2012 at 04:04

    It's a palimpsest.

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  54. Wilson Crawford25 February 2012 at 04:07

    So all along they framed poor Nina!? Jesus that woman has been harassed while we were led to believe that our Nina was kidnapped. lol

    I loved the whole part about the Observer backstory. It wasn't too out of the spectrum of plausibility and it brought enough answers out while still teasing us with things like how Olivia will die, and who Shot JR... I mean September.I knew from season 1 FROM THE BEGINNING that at some point Olivia, as an adult, would finally reach her "true" potential. I always thought the "traveling between worlds" thing was cool and all, but that isn't what makes her special. She can do anything. Walter and Willam always said it, and there were tapes that proved it. She just needed the right frame of mind.The whole situation between this Olivia and Peter is so tragic. She's had a terrible life, and it was Peter-less, so naturally when he comes into her life and she absorbs Our Olivia into her consciousness, she loses her own life and the things that define her, and then just as she embraces that it's ok, Peter tells her (after she demonstrates her immense love for him by starting a lightning storm and frying a man alive on command) that he can't be with her.These writers are PURE SADISTS. I mean how can you make these two characters (and their alternates) hurt any more?And how the F*** am I supposed to wait an entire month for more Fringe!?WTF mate!?

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  55. cortexifan25 February 2012 at 04:08

    Still waiting for that epic button.
    OMG!
    Got to watch again.

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  56. DarqueMode25 February 2012 at 04:15

    Maybe we will get another peek at John Mosley too then? 
    Yes, Please!

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  57. orangeJ325 February 2012 at 04:28

    One thing I cannot stop thinking about is Olivia didn't turn ON lights with her mind. She turned them OFF! I don't know if that was a very very stupid mistake or it means something...

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  58. DarqueMode25 February 2012 at 04:35

    I thought about that too....
    The difference of stopping something and starting something could come down something as simple as DRJ goals.

    In the original timeline he was testing her to make her an unwilling warrior for the upcoming battle, but in this timeline it seems like he wants Olivia to actively do something. To power or trigger something.  What I'm not sure.....

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  59. Alex25 February 2012 at 04:35

    Yeah, I was confused on that too. I thought that was a good development because it established for Peter that he wasn't causing this, so he wasn't "making her into the Olivia that he wanted her to be" so he knew that he could be with her, but then they completely ignored that this week. 


    I think that September telling Peter that he had to "go home" was a multi-layered thing, he had to go to his house where he was kidnapped and whatnot, but he also has to go literally home to his timeline. 

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  60. Wilson Crawford25 February 2012 at 04:37

    I don't trust commercials. I ignore them overall, because the people that make them don't necessarily make the show itself so they go with an idea and hype it up.

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  61. DarqueMode25 February 2012 at 04:39

    Ya I  have a feeling I will keep going back to that in my mind....
    I cannot see September being MR X that kills Olivia.... but with September's brainwaves or whatever he left in Peter's eye I can see possibly Peter as Mr X. 

    I'm not a believer exactly, but that has to come into play later....

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  62. orangeJ325 February 2012 at 04:45

    That makes sense, but what bugs me is that Olivia said "I know what you want me to do. You want me to turn the lights on with my mind. We did something like this before." But what she did before was turn *off* the lights. Why would she assume he wanted her to turn them on? I seriously don't get it.

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  63. magnutude25 February 2012 at 04:48

    Loved it. Got enough of the "answers" to satisfy me and yet still keep me pining for new eps and glued to the screen when it's on. Awesome in lieu of an absent "epic" button for this guy... lol

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  64. DarqueMode25 February 2012 at 04:52

    Good point.
    The only thing I can think of is that the lights were off so she assumed he wanted her to turn them on... but I agree it makes little sense.

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  65. M25 February 2012 at 05:17

    A third party?

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  66. carson_leigh25 February 2012 at 05:36

    An incredible episode.  
    The Observer explanation was kind of what I was expecting and totally cool.
    Nina was evil which was great.
    Olivia was kick-ass. I love her.
    Peter broke my heart twice and I adore him even more.

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  67. So Contagious25 February 2012 at 05:45

    Absolutely. I really just want Amberverse to be Blueverse, because I don't think I can deal with four universes, not to mention a rehash of the Peter picked the wrong Olivia story line.  And why is Henry important? And how the heck is Peter anywhere at all right now?  How is he not just erased?  This might be the last season, and as grateful as I am they finally answered the Observer question, I am not feeling the lack of answers we'd have to live with if the show went off sooner rather than later.  I want the timeline thing to be resolved now, thanks all the same.

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  68. carson_leigh25 February 2012 at 05:47

    I think Peter is just doubting himself because September reminded him of the mistake he made with Faux and the finding out the consequences(Henry).  

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  69. Mutsie25 February 2012 at 05:54

    One Word:  EXPLOSIVE!!!
    ♥

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  70. Ashley Ducky Manini25 February 2012 at 06:00

    the observer did say that the baby was born to the wrong Olivia... at least i thought he did, i cant find a transcript that scene on it yet... GOD I just want Peter home where he belongs with hisOlivia and Walter...

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  71. Liz Nguyen25 February 2012 at 06:06

    I agree with you. I really believe that there is no other timeline to return to. They even elluded to the fact that the previous timeline has been erased by this new timeline with the VHS analogy.

     I get frustrated too with Peter and how he keeps wanting to return to his timeline but I guess it makes sense. He's scared and there's no other explanation that he's willing to see cos if it's true, he did lose everyone and although Olivia is getting her memories back, he's still in disbelief on how it's happened - it doesn't make sense to him  and so he just assumes it's because of cortexiphan and because she's an empath.

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  72. Liz Nguyen25 February 2012 at 06:13

    I think they alluded to it with the VHS analogy, how old layers can bleed through and the whole idea of how Peter made such an impression on their lives that they can't forget. I don't think they'll ever explain how it happens but I don't think they need to.

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  73. Liz Nguyen25 February 2012 at 06:14

    I think December simply meant September was the reason why Peter is still here - how September failed to erase remnants of Peter in the earlier episodes of Season 4

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  74. Liz Nguyen25 February 2012 at 06:16

    Wow I overlooked that. September was totally talking to the AmberOlivia as well! It all would make sense

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  75. DarqueMode25 February 2012 at 06:17

    Could be.

    It would be interesting if Jones brought Peter there to "trigger" Olivia and her powers....

    He is one of the few people that seem to be associated with multidimensional traveling.

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  76. MeatyStakes25 February 2012 at 06:19

    I keep thinking that there's just 2 timelines and Peter was just expunged and the rest reconfigured to make internal sense within each universe.

    So, Henry is now on Limbo? I just keep imagine that baby Henry managed to leave non-existence as Peter did and appear somewhere else in the future, like, he can be the creator of the observers an all, lying about his origing and actually EVERYTHING is coming along as it was supposed to.

    AHHHHH, I'm going crazy with all these theories!

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  77. Alexander Prokudin25 February 2012 at 06:24

    God,I want to watch this episode,but I'm afraid,I won't be able until June/July..

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  78. Hofbauer25 February 2012 at 06:28

    I wonder if it's significant that in Season 1, Olivia was asked to turn the lights off, but in this episode, she was made to turn them on.

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  79. Liv fan25 February 2012 at 07:02

    September, hello Guest-star Emmy winner!

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  80. starg8fans25 February 2012 at 07:34

    Amber Olivia went through the same episode with John Scott (it was confirmed that that's why she got Walter out of St. Claire's) so it could have been that this particular memory about the Semtex was something she remembered from her own life rather than Blue Olivia's.  Or at least this could be how Peter explains it away.

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  81. Gusto Bluesboy25 February 2012 at 08:21

    They called him Mr. X because they didn't know his name. We, the fans, called that guy from Zeppelin with the X on his shirt Mr. X

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  82. prpleight25 February 2012 at 08:51

    Well, I need to watch that again.  I was hoping we'd get more time with the Observers but, despite the fact that we've learned most of what September said simply by paying attention I was really happy that Peter found out about the baby ( and, sadly, that he wasn't supposed to exist and doesn't exist.)

    The question that I didn't get the confirmed answer I was looking forward to was why the Observers felt that the fix for all of this was wiping Peter out.  Why that and not, for example, going back and making sure that Peter's birth father found the cure.

    I still believe that this *is* Peter's timeline but...my belief is wavering.  This ep muddied my convictions abit.   Boo, that Peter had to walk away, but I can't fault him for wanting to be sure.

    I knew the second Nina started conveniently moaning in pain that she wasn't the real one.  I was fairly certain while Nina was being questioned but I was certain when she started moaning.  And why didn't a single person stop and think 'other side Nina'?  They only went to shapeshipfter.

    And why didn't Peter ever defend himself against the mind-rape charges by pointing out that she remembered things he didn't know?  This was the proof that he couldn't be the one projecting those memories on Olivia.  Fussing at him about succumbing to the confusion of the situation might have been justified but yelling at him about projecting was annoying me.

    Great ep, but I do need to watch it again...and since we have 4 evil weeks to wait I'll have plenty of time to do it.

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  83. prpleight25 February 2012 at 08:58

    Really interesting theory, but how does that affect the implication in the ep Inner Child that Observers are special children...born even now?  Was it your POV that that child kind of appeared in the underground room?

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  84. prpleight25 February 2012 at 09:03

    I disagree with the idea that Peter is Mr. X.  Also, IIRC, September didn't say she must die just that all he could see was that she *did* die.  In this type of show there's a world of difference between the two concepts.

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  85. teddy loman25 February 2012 at 09:05

     No

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  86. Lou25 February 2012 at 09:26

    My mind has exploded!  Seriously I can't even, so much information to process.  

    Some brief thoughts for now I love the double cross with the Nina's! I was so fooled by the Nina with Olivia and then she is like hanging out by a water cooler being a totally badass haha and poor Nina stuck at Fringe HQ with no clue!  I'm still not sure if Peter is right about his timeline existing and needing to get back, I think it just doesn't exist anymore and that his presence in the Amber!Timeline is all about changing these Peterless people into the ones from his past.

    I am really glad he finally got to find out about Henry though and that it seems he needs to have a son with the right Olivia (whoever that is right now!)

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  87. Lou25 February 2012 at 09:27

    In my dream Emmy awards all the Fringe cast would get noms but alas if John Noble and Anna Torv can't get any I doubt Michael Cerveris will :(

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  88. andy s25 February 2012 at 10:01

    Re-watching Lost during the last couple of days, and seeing these episodes of Fringe, I fail to see any point of comparison people seem to be making these days. Regardless of how interesting the story of Fringe is, the one of Lost was simply much more layered. Here, everything is straightforward, delves into exotic 'scientific' concepts and makes it its 'hook'. Characters are actually secondary, regardless of how they are explored. Even if Peter and Olivia are made central, we know all about them, nothing is surprising anymore, nothing is 'grey', and we only wait to see where the writers will take them. In that sense, this series is not character, but plot driven and that is unfortunate. It makes Fringe, as Moriarty would say, 'ordinary'. 
    As for the episode, it was certainly entertaining, but mostly underwhelming and predictable.
    One big gripe, not even Observers could see the beginning of time, because there was no light for the first 200000000 years. Whatever their technology is like, it is almost logically impossible for them to see anything beyond that poind 

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  89. Leliforever25 February 2012 at 11:33

    The episode was great but the Peter-Observer scene made it AWESOME for me.So here are my thought on that scene

    "Despite my efforts to set things right,these actions only comminated in further corruption of THE timeline"
    ---THE timeline.Not "your" timeline or "that" timeline.Which means THERE IS ONLY ONLY TIMELINE.THE ONE WE'RE NOW!

    "The war between the TWO universes..." I'm glad we crealed that up.there sre only 2 universes.Walter suggested otherwise in S04E05 but now it's covered so thanks for that!

    "...and brought about a child that was not meant to be" So,we find out here that Henry was not meant to be born.HOWEVER,he continuous(thank God!) to clear it up by saying...

    "He was born to the wrong Olivia Dunham"
    HALILUIA !!! AMEN !!!! Whatever...I hated Henry because he was Polivia's biggest problem but now(!) he is their future son!!!!!


    "He was born to the wrong Olivia Dunham due to a series of circumstances that never should have happened.THIS EVENT would have irrevocably altered everything that was to come"
    So,Peter was deleted from the only timeline (I insist!) because in that way,that we have no idea of,Henry-The bitch's son and not Herny the Polivia son,was born and it was a mistake.But why?What could he possibly have done in the future so bad that he had to be erased???

    "I believed at the time that would be the end of it.I cannot explain how but it is clear to me that I was wrong.you have managed to return in physical form"
    So Peter,and obviously bitch's Henry,ceased to exist because the Observers thought that in that way things would turn back to normal.How?

    "I suspect this will provide the opportunity for you to put things right"
    AHA!That;s why he is still important.Because he is going to fix everything up...

    "She is THE ONE" Please everyone take a moment and scream "Go shipper September!!!"

    "The Olivia Dunham FROM WHOM YOUR SHARED FUTURE WAS MEANT TO SPRING".
    So Peter needs to fix things and stay with our Olivia,and together they are supposed to have Henry.(I like the thought of that!)

    "This must be and everything will be as it was intended"
    This part is the most important one.Peter must be with blue Olivia-NOT THE BITCH-and they have to have Henry so that the timeline will take the course it is meant to take.But why?Why is Henry so important.Why does he have to come from red Peter & blue Olivia (I'm not complaining I'm just asking!)
    He must be doing something in the future to save both universes.or is it because a child was born from two universes will make them see that there's no war and they can all live peacefully together??

    FINAL THOUGHT:
    Peter is stupid.He asked September how to save Olivia and he DID answer to him."You have to go home"And then he continued because he didn't realise it "I know that I have to go home and that I have to go back to my timeline but this Olivia,this timeline..." and then "Go home"
    He meant go hom to save this Olivia,the ONLY blue Olivia.He didn't mean go "home" to your timeline because there is NOT another timeline!

    besides,if the past 3 seasons have been a timeline and Peter "goes home",doesn't that mean that bitch's Henry STILL exists?Isn't that dangerous?He was deleted for a reason he can't go back!

    I believe that somehow they will all remember (like my sweet olive,who kicked some serious ass in the episode!) and we willl continuou from now on.That way,Polivia will have plenty of time to concieve sweet baby Henry LIKE IT WAS MEANT TO (In your face Fauxlivia!)

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  90. chris68425 February 2012 at 11:50

    Loved it!  I have to say, I'm enjoying this series a lot more now that some of the pieces are starting to come together.  I always really liked the series but had trouble following the mysteries when we didn't have even a basic framework of reference for what they were.

    So I have a question - if Peter's biological father had discovered the cure, that means that Peter wouldn't have been kidnapped and brought to the our universe.  So how would have he hooked up with our Olivia, as September kept insisting was so important?

    I still have a problem with the idea of Peter getting back to his original timeline.  In that timeline both worlds destroy each other, so I like the idea of merging the two.  But Peter won't accept this Olivia (with the memories of his Olivia)!

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  91. melodybeatrix25 February 2012 at 12:02

    I am feeling the same with you and I can't sleep whole night!!!!
    Damn it Peter, she is your Olivia. You need to wait her for remembering everything. Stop thinking Walter's theory. Peter don't stay away. You are gonna hurt her again ...T^T

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  92. dawson_son25 February 2012 at 12:23

    i think it was obvious Henry activated the machine which led to Peter step into it choose one side and then both sides died. He was just a weapon and an error to the observers plans or observations. he was never meant to be born to other side and create the chain of event they happened..so it had to be deleted..but how? i doubt they would go to Peter before he hooked up with AltLivia and tell him Hey y know what she aint your girl ,y girl is trapped into the other universe...dont have sex and always use protection? They saved him once ,fixing Septembers mistake of appearing there by saving him from the lake but still they couldnt prevent what happened. Both worlds needed to survive. Simple. Thats why they kept the bridge. Dont ask me how. But September chose to believe since Peter came back then what was meant to happen in first place aka blueOlivia + redPeter= Henry = both worlds healing. [cheesy or not ] 

     Peter assumes he can zap himself back to the machine and appear to the room he was in 3x22 and be all hey guys guess what..i doubt it. He seems far confused you cant really blame him , he avoids the facts and doesnt pay attention. twice once with Walter/Astrid and one with September practically telling him hey y know since we re-write everything and you are back go home[life for real in the bishop house] and with this you find Olivia and finally set things right and i wont get tortured for nothing ...

    its damn frustrating though...but if you have walter /lincoln in all ep keep yaming in your ears SHE IS NOT YOUR OLIVIA and then you see YOUR effin Olivia and find out you had once a kid which it was meant to be with your Olivia but the redhead was available then and you end up ruin both worlds you and the son it was not meant to be...you end up being confused anyways..

    to me the whole projection thing got a reversal instead of Peter projecting his memories to Olivia Walter/Lincoln are projecting their wrong theories to Peter..

    But i think thisOlivia Dunham might need some time alone to figure out who she really is..if you get me , clear her head, she is losing memories from this timeline only Peter to tell her hey i you aint my Olivia maybe Walter can fix you im outta heree!! You think she is not confused? i bet she is...with practically herself in old and new record above the tape...

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  93. Paxnos25 February 2012 at 12:42

     I somehow have the feeling that this would be a possible storyline for Season 5. Peter returns to the Olivia he loves and Red-Red-Henry returns. Or, well, at least he tries to fix it and gets into the machine for "course correction".
    Actually I'm one of the people who thinks there's only one timeline left BUT it is the promo which makes me crazy.
    "How far would you go for love?"
    It could describe Peter erasing himself for Olivia not to die (just a thought) or trying to get "his" timeline back. (Maybe 5x01 will be "Back to where you've always been". Yeah I'm optimistic :D)
    Either way.. I think I'm totally wrong and I don't have a single "real" clue to what's going on. I'm so thrilled and I'm just going crazy :D The promo for 4x15 doesn't make it better :)
    Oh this is going to be one hell of hiatus

    Regards from Germany! :)

    Ah, by the way, nice twitter event last night. :) Just tweeted about 150 tweets in one hour :D Maybe this had an impact on the ratings.. I hope so :) We should do this for 4x15 aswell.

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  94. Chris Pepper25 February 2012 at 12:58

    Anybody else disappointed with the peter/september scene? I was expecting some massive reveal and whilst the reveal about the observers being human was cool, everything else september seemed to say, was a recap. Peter even said "yeah walter told me about that", just seemed they had a chance to do a lot more with that scene than they actually ended up doing...

    Ahh well, still a great episode, cant believe we have to wait 4 weeks :(

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  95. abuliket25 February 2012 at 13:45

    I have that feeling too...Great episode anyway!

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  96. DarthLocke425 February 2012 at 14:10

    Indeed! --I still keep thinking that maybe The Observers creation is a problem, and in essense they keep trying to alter every new timeline from creating some long lost past-future Bishop that is responsible for the human to observer modification....It's possible it could be a Bishop..It could be that some version of Henry had already grown up and become like Walternate in the other past-future timeline in "the day we died"...a leader of a dangerious scientific terrorist group who could time travel and this led to the deterioration to their universe, but also extended like a virus to all of the new timelines created there after...

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  97. DarthLocke425 February 2012 at 14:12

    IMO Mr. X changes in every time line, but is always the leader of a terrorist group...

    From the forum:
    So a little more to support the theory that "Mr. X" in most timelines is usually the head of some pattern-related terrorist organization, who tries to create black holes as a means to prove apotheosis. (Life extension - a type of immortality, time/reality travel).Issue 4, Chapter A of the next "Beyond the Fringe" comic series came out at the end of last week. It's another alternate universe (so not directly canon), but is a spoof of comic book Super Heroes, particularly paralleling Batman, as this Peter is a billion-doller-play-boy Super Hero named "The Pattern" (He has a [i]Robin[/i]-Batman's sidekick, stylized "P" on his chest) as the comic is titled, "Adventures of the Pattern". We are introduced to a villain who has escaped from St. Clare's Mental Institution, named [b]"Mr. ZFT"[/b], who had previously stole a special coil from Walter and Peter's lab called "The Pelican Coil" (A nod to Alcatraz perhaps since Alcatraz translates from it's Spanish origins as, "Pelican Island"), in which Mr. ZFT can blow holes in the universe! As stated in a previous post, Supermodel called to my attention that Walternate kills [blue] Olivia in the 2026 timeline in which he had become the leader of the terrorist group, The End of Dayers....it was easy to parallel that group to the season 1-3 timline's ZFT, which is sort of showing it's head in the season 4 timeline as we again are following the pursuits of Jones as he is attempting to blow holes in the universe!The comic is also about Peter saving a hostage taken from St. Clare's, a staff member named Olivia Dunham ;) ...Peter's abilities stem from Cortexifan...and he finds out his hostage has the ability too! The comic features Peter's special power which us to create amber substance from his finger tips to close the soft spots! -The end of the comic ends with Olivia also becoming a super hero! --It will be interesting if "Adventures of the Pattern" carry on in the next chapter or in another issue...

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  98. Sno Lys25 February 2012 at 14:19

    There is a different between "we did something like this before" and "we did this before", the 1st one implies something similar, while the 2nd implies that it was the same thing.

    Turning lights on or turning them off is quite similar.

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  99. DarthLocke425 February 2012 at 14:21

    I think that in a way the writers are still playing with us about Mr. X---in this case Observers can be variable "X" eXchanges to people and their futures, so it may be a macro cosmic nod that the Observers "mark" death for us unless they choose not to...

    But looking back at the past-future 2026 timeline (End of Dayers-Walternate, Monroe) and the comic "Adventures of the Pattern" (Mr. ZFT) and thinking of season 1(Jones, Harris, Winters Loeb ZFT), we see that those that hurt Olivia are head of scientific terrorist groups, but so far Walternate is NOT the head of a group in this timeline...and we may have not met the head of this timelines terrorist group is, if it's just the Observers, or if there is still someone dancing around like Jones, the other Nina, or this Leeland, or someone we haven't met yet...that is still a threat to "Olivia" in which I believe has to save in order to save himself, as I think this plot with Jones has just begun.

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  100. DarqueMode25 February 2012 at 14:30

    I like that idea. "X" (or Mr X) as a variable in the relatively same equation being played out in each timeline.

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  101. DarqueMode25 February 2012 at 14:32

    Interesting.....
    Need to think about this.

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  102. DarthLocke425 February 2012 at 14:39

    It could be really complicated, because this iteration could be a past one, until Peter comes "here" to alter it with his 'future' existence... In any case the time line has the ability to become something "new", but it's the time displacement issues the season has presented in earlier episodes that doesn't let me believe that his time line doesn't still exist 'out there' and that he just didn't materialize to this one making the whole thing  a type of reset...but I think it would be really sad, if his timeline was rearranged, rather than just separated from it...only time will tell I suppose!

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  103. DarqueMode25 February 2012 at 14:44

    On some level I can grasp their idea that erasing Peter would course correct.

    Blue Peter died because of September's visit causing Walter to miss that he had found the cure. So Walter crossed over to Red to steal Peter. Red Peter set off even more events that caused problems (See conceiving Henry with Fauxlivia). So if they removed the one Red Universe aspect from Blue universe things would be all aspects from Blue Universe in Blue Universe and no Red Universe aspects.

    However I'm not sure that resets the events far enough back to let Walter save Blue Peter allowing him to grow up to make babies with Blue Olivia.... 

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  104. DarthLocke425 February 2012 at 14:53

    I def think we didn't get that much information, but the way it happened, the idea of the Observers mind occupying a 'space' of seeing the beginnings of 'time' (or a timeline/universe) was truly cool and reminded me again of "Contact". --I think if anything September made some things more confusing for us, but I thought the episode keeps playing to a lot of things that are have been lingering since the beginning. 

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  105. overandback25 February 2012 at 14:54

    Fringe is what makes television still worth watching. I thought the March break would be fairly easy to take compared to the last one. I think I was wrong. It's only Sat. morning and the idea of waiting 4 weeks for the next episode is getting to me already. 

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  106. Janne G25 February 2012 at 14:55

    Amazing. I just didn't want it to end!

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  107. DarthLocke425 February 2012 at 15:02

    I think something like this plausible...but I am leaning towards that if Peter needs the machines to get home, then he needs his "crowbar" to be able to get inside, and "his" Olivia was the one who had the ability well enough to do that, but I could also see a sacrifice coming on, but I would rather think that Peter can save them "both" and again that's another reason for the memory transference...so that he causes reciprocity to the timeline, because he won't care about them, until he thinks they're deeply related to what he knows as "truth" (his reality)

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  108. DarthLocke425 February 2012 at 15:10

    It's crazy because in the cannon comic Peter and the Machine, Peter actually is sitting with September on a park bench (then in an astral plane of September's memory at this point), obliviously watching an older Henry play with his Uncle Lincoln...It suggests that another Henry, just like another machine using Peter, has also already existed in previous iteration(s)...

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  109. DarthLocke425 February 2012 at 15:14

     Maybe child Observers like young cortexifan users don't have control of their abilities yet and so they have potential to end up in parcarous situations, as I believe most fringe events (telekinesis, reality/time travel, clones, peter and the machines, shapeshifters) are showing us the repeated events on how Observers were created!

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  110. DarthLocke425 February 2012 at 15:20

    Well there is still a mystery as to how this time lines machines were turned on...but if "the prophecy" scrolls still exit, then it's possible that Peter is the key to the machines still, but to what end does Olivia serve Jones? Additionally didn't the shapeshifters try to kill Peter in "Back To Where You've Never Been"? --But jogging my memory here, but our Olivia could open "cracks" then she can help them make "black Holes"...

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  111. DarqueMode25 February 2012 at 15:24

    FYI Here is promo #2 for the next episode. T

    The sneaky bastards gave us a backwards video! I reversed it and here is the forwards video.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP042V_ZC9g&feature=youtu.be

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  112. Joann Lawler25 February 2012 at 15:35

    I was hoping for more out of the Peter & September scene, but the rest was awesome.

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  113. Jessica Sanmartin25 February 2012 at 15:44

    My god, each one of this episodes kills me, in a good way!

    I was pleased with the backstory of the observer, I figure is the one that makes most sense.

    I have to say that I was incredibly confused with the "Ninas", I really couldn't tell which one was which, right up until they rolled the shape shifter out on the gurney...

    And come on Peter the observer never made the distinction about Olivias, this is your Olivia!

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  114. DarthLocke425 February 2012 at 15:44

    I left comments on the promo page! just Woah!

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  115. DarthLocke425 February 2012 at 15:54

    Ok this gives me a another idea about the timelines....lets say that besides a before and after idea of creating iterations, that if iterations ended up creating new iterations at the same time as another iteration....if that could happen, then we get into the idea that we could have iterations "side by side"--that we can some how create really similar cusins...

    One glyph word last season was "switch"...what if when something like this happens the cusins are forced to fight for survival just as two twins might? (like our red and blue personified)....how would you create a bridge between them? Could you....but maybe one is like a shaddow time line---a time line that can't progess unless the other dies...going back to the idea of Networking (Alone in the World), if one could "choose" witch iteration lives, and it's a matter of turning them off, or online, or switching them?

    I dunno really this goes beyond me a bit....

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  116. Jessica Sanmartin25 February 2012 at 15:55

    Whatever the truth about this timeline's Olivia is, if she's our Olivia, their relationship might never recover from this. When Peter arrived, he was where she wasn't, emotionally, now she's where he is, but he doesn't believe her, so he isn't, if that make sense anyhow... Watching makes my brain explode!

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  117. Jessica Sanmartin25 February 2012 at 15:57

     I understand what you mean but they did answer some prominent questions, so all in all I think it was sufficient. Think about it this way, if now we actually feel our brains exploding with information and possible outcomes, if he'd shared more info then our brains would have turned to mush!

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  118. Jessica Sanmartin25 February 2012 at 16:00

    I can't get the look on Olivia's face out of my mind.

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  119. Linlighthouse25 February 2012 at 16:27

    Just realized, that thing is called a "beacon." A beacon is a guiding light. Where will it guide Peter to?

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  120. DarqueMode25 February 2012 at 17:12

    Hmm... In The Arrival it seemed like the Beacon was going back and forth from one side of the Earth to the other, but what if the Beacon was passing from universe to universe when we first saw it? Could it be a "phone home" device for Peter? A way the Observers (September) is helping guide him to his home universe/ timeline?

    If the Observers are connected to Red Peter/ Blue Olivia I can see the Beacon being used to secure that ultimate outcome, Guiding Peter back to his universe/ timeline and to his Olivia.

    Interesting!

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  121. mrflamethunder25 February 2012 at 17:12

    Pure sadists LOL

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  122. Bisma25 February 2012 at 17:22

    What an episode?! Although I thought they would deal with the timeline question in this one, but I suppose that is reserved for the finale....
    Loved it when Peter got excited about baby Henry! :(

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  123. Shaakira Abdul Samad25 February 2012 at 17:47

    Wow, awesome! very good episode.

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  124. RobertAriadne25 February 2012 at 19:35

    Not to be that guy, but his name wasn't Monroe. It was Moreau. 
    And anyway, there's something that we haven't really discussed: What exactly is Jones trying to do? September said it's the same as last time, but we didn't know what was happening last time. Here's a transcript from last night (gotta love Fringepedia):
    PETER: It's who Nina's working for that worries me. I've been racking my brain trying to figure out -- why would Nina be dosing Olivia with Cortexiphan? But then it occurred to me. The only person who's ever done anything like that, at least in my timeline, was David Robert Jones. Maybe he's trying to do the same thing again.WALTER: Do what?PETER: Activate Olivia.WALTER: For what purpose?PETER: I don't know. We could never figure it out. But maybe it's for the same reasons now.THE OBSERVER: Yes. His goal is the same.

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  125. Totallyaddicted00525 February 2012 at 20:14

    Glad to know im not alone. OMG I'm doing the same

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  126. DarthLocke425 February 2012 at 21:54

    Yeah sorry I know it's homage to "The Island of Doctor Moreau" and that he is actually the second character with the name....sometimes when I hurry I misspell. I am really the worst speller in the world (the name also shows up with one of the villains in MI:GP)

    And yes. Exactly. We don't know to what end ZFT was reaching, but if 2026 of another timeline is any repeated indicator, then we must look to the end of dayers for plot and motive, which is create black holes and go back in time to recreate the universe...

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  127. RobertAriadne25 February 2012 at 22:01

    Recreate the universe? Who said that?

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  128. laura334125 February 2012 at 23:23

     I Loved the episode,i got confused while watching and my husband was on the phone,so i was trying to listen over him.Needless to say i missed a lot.i was going to watch it again last night but my brain was fried and i was tired.I will watch it either tonight or in the morning..What you just finished  writing about the Observers mind can see the beginning of time,well i missed some of that,Just wanted to say hi,hope you birthday was a good and happy one.

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  129. DonnaSueK25 February 2012 at 23:48

    I had a feeling last week, it was all a set up w the Nina's.  What 
    better way to make her talk or do their bidding..... just what Jones wanted 
    all along.  

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  130. DonnaSueK25 February 2012 at 23:50

    "something like this" before ..... key words

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  131. DarthLocke426 February 2012 at 01:25

    In the comic Peter and the Machine Peter's conscience time travel experience is extended in which he goes through the worm hole in central park, flashes through several time periods as he is dismantling the machine parts, leaving certain parts certain places...this is how the loops occur, as "we" unburried ours in which the pules with coordinates is also left for them from the previous iteration(s) pieces because a previous Peter and /or group of first people, which are other versions of our characters did in order for us to have it...but the comic also explains that these experiences are not really Peter's but another Peter's and they meet face to face...and September shows up to and continues to flash through time...This is a similar idea to JJ's Star trek, which plot is mentioned in "The road Not Taken"

    Peter learns from the other Peter NOT to choose only one universe such as the blue, because it and Olivia will die anyways, because this is what happened before.--So he consciencly returns to his body in his current 2011 and chooses "Balance"...

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  132. RobertAriadne26 February 2012 at 01:58

    I REALLY don't mean to be rude, Darth, but that didn't make a lot of sense.
    Are you saying that every time someone time-travels, it creates another alternate timeline (like 2026); but because of September's mistake all timelines lead to the same conclusion?

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  133. prpleight26 February 2012 at 04:22

    Ack!  I got my red and blue Peters mixed up.  Crazy Walter is Red Walter and Previously evil Walter is Blue Walter?

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  134. prpleight26 February 2012 at 04:24

    So, you don't think the child Observer was born in 'our universe' but accidentally popped here and was discovered?

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  135. Cliff26 February 2012 at 05:04

    Sweet episode! Poor September...but because I haven't seen anyone mention it so far...(see image =)

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  136. Ieva Brown26 February 2012 at 10:35

    Great episode, almost awesome if more things were answered. Then again, speculation aside, I guess sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. I remember theorizing a lot with LOST and getting involved in forums, ect. In the end I felt I had wasted my time and was reading into things that weren't there, as did many others. So, this time round I'm just going to sit back and enjoy it and take it as it comes. 

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  137. DarthLocke426 February 2012 at 11:50

    Not exactly...In The Same Old Story there is man named Clause Peroose and his son...His name is a reference to Sir Roger Penrose and he kind of goes hand in hand with Stephen Hawking...he believes in Conformal Cycle Cosmology: 
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conformal_Cyclic_Cosmology

    There are many different ways to time travel in SF,...when Peter goes in the machine he sees/experiences " s future" --a future in a previous time line that already happened. --But the point of showing him this is to avoid a repeat of it, because the universes have been semi-repeating themselves over and over (battle star Galactica references are also abundant) ---Peter's BODY never leaves the machine in "The Day We Died", only his mind does..(but the comic explains further the memories of another Peter were preserved for him)....until the end where he steps out of the machine after the bridge is made then he physically disappears...

    What's happening in season 4 is yet different, but is seemingly physical...any time one physically changes something in time then the reality is alternate(this requires time line comparison), but It's not clear if this iteration of the timeline is/was a "past" iteration, or a new rearranged iteration...but in either case at least since "subject 9" it  is new or alternate because Peter has been "put into it" and has potential to fight the grain of it---But IMO because there are time displacement issues, I think Peter is fighting a written past of a previous iteration, because in his timeline these types of effects did not happen simply because of his existence in it.

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  138. DarthLocke426 February 2012 at 12:06

    As for September and the observers It's clear they don't understand what happened either. It seems they wanted to lead Peter to the fate of the machine, that they predicted the result would eliminate him from 'time', but The way they view time, I am not so sure they see it in terms of iteration? For them it might be like one big tree of a timeline and I am not sure if they really recognize the differences of these things, hence why they wouldn't get why Peter didn't just "die"..Even though we can debate what this means, when September says "Go Home" I think he means it on every level---how can you say one minute Peter and Henry are mistakes and then turn around and say that Olivia and Peter were always meant to be?

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  139. DarthLocke426 February 2012 at 12:39

    Yes! In Star trek Enterprise there are also beacons that relate to The Temporal Cold War...
    http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Temporal_beacon 
    http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Temporal_Cold_War 

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  140. DarthLocke426 February 2012 at 14:24

    I have a new idea...

    "Snow Globe Effect"
    he Day We Died no doubt gives us CCC (Penrose Confromal Cycle Cosmology) in terms of the histories of the universes being apart of what has repeatedly happened by means of black hole time traveling, but it's not the only part.I updated "The Relativity of Nina Sharp" thread,(http://www.spoilertv.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=103&t=20936) because "A Long List of Lovers" (Violet Sedan Chair) song lyrics gave me an epiphany! The machine causes a "snow globe" effect in which it just re--arranges all the matter in the time line(s)
    Now what I don't understand is the time displacement effects of elimination (peter-henry) verses recreation (peter)....or if it's still in the processes of rearranging. (aka the snow flakes are still falling down), or if the old reality still exists, as it is still apart of the history prior to the rearrangement???...but It's clear what happened in other time lines is still harboring a course correction despite this effect...I don't know if Peter can keep rearranging it, or why the Observers wanted Peter/Machine users to re-create a time line with out Peter and Henry. --Who would have Henry Been??? -And does the buck really stop with them??The issue could be that "the snow globe effect" might still be "with in" the time loops and has become an event in itself that despite the rearrangements of things still comes to same horrible conclusions as was shown to us "In The Day We Died"...It seems like it's a method to stop the creation of black holes and taking the machines back, but that they may have used this method also infinite times already and not be able to stop Olivia from dying, or black holes being created.I am now thinking that Nina's doppleganger was killed by a shapeshifter and assumed her identity, but I also think from the 'hovercraft mother' aspect of "The Long List of Lovers" song, may also refer to Mr. X--and the zeppelin as a zeppelin is a "hovercraft"...marking DEATH on Olivia. I purpose that The Nina Shapeshifter is MR. X and he will change his appearance in the upcoming (grrr why do e have to wait so long!) episodes! 

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  141. RobertAriadne26 February 2012 at 15:21

    Ah, okay. We're making some progress. So this Amber timeline might not be a rewritten Blue universe, but a PAST timeline. Memories from Future Past, huh? And the reason Peter's here is to prevent the pre End-Of-Days ZFT from blowing holes in the universe in a nihilistic plot to destroy existence? In short, Peter prevented 2026 from happening in the Blue and Red universe by creating the bridge room. He was then erased from that timeline and transferred to a timeline where he never existed so he could prevent 2026 from happening there, also. So someone is sending him around to prevent 2026 from happening is various timelines and universes, and it ISN'T the Observers.

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  142. DarthLocke426 February 2012 at 16:08

    Yes! -but now I am thinking I am still partuallywrong...Iwrote more on here withc is on page two the last post I made...

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  143. RobertAriadne26 February 2012 at 17:07

    (this is a reply to your latest response) You know what, Darth? It's getting a bit cramped here. We should continue our talk elsewhere.

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  144. Zach Hurwitz27 February 2012 at 12:32

    The end result must be in Peter and Olivia getting together
    and having Henry. Season 3 ended with Peter putting himself in The Machine to
    reset the timeline due to the improper birth of Henry with Fauxlivia (told by
    September).



    Perhaps the need to have Peter and Olivia together is due to
    their child playing a part in the creation of the Observers or the that the
    Observers may be decedents of Henry.



    As of now there are two separate timelines each with two
    universes experiencing these timelines. For this we can refer to each character
    as having multiple iterations depending on the universe and timeline. We
    already know of Olivia and Fauxlivia which is where Peter existed from Seasons
    1-3. In this timeline Peter died in the Blue universe but was saved from the
    Red universe and grew up etc. The second timeline is one in which Peter died in
    the Blue universe and Peter also died in Reiden lake since September did not
    intervene when he was brought over from the Red universe.



    When Peter got into the Machine in Season 3 he moved his
    consciousness from the initial timeline to one in which he never lived past his
    younger years. Why he did this I am still unsure and remains to be answered.
    Walter has been right in that Peter is pushing onto OliviaB in conjunction with
    the cortexephan she was receiving. By pushing his memories of his timeline onto
    OliviaB the two timelines are merging to allow the end result to occur: Peter
    and Olivia getting together and having Henry!


     

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  145. laura334127 February 2012 at 14:12

     What are you doing to me Darth lol......something else to think about.

    I haven't had my second helping yet.For some reason i can't watch it again,not yet anyway,weird right.

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  146. lordbradiii27 February 2012 at 19:44

    Yeah, but given the most recent interview with TPTB, they seem to know exactly what kind of clues we're going to pick up on. The X on the guy's shirt, and the Mr. X in this episode, well...I'll just say it'd be kind of ridiculous NOT to have some kind of connection.

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  147. Bruce_F27 February 2012 at 21:39

    Great.  Not as mind-blowing as I thought it might be but good all the same.
     - I think the Fringe writers are jerking us around just a little bit.  It's not Peter's Olivia, it IS Peter's Olivia... nope, it's not Peter's Olivia.
     - Envy and jealousy doesn't look well on Lincoln.
     - So, September told Peter to go home in order to find Olivia.  Would it have been too much to give Peter a heads-up about the ambush part of it?
     - I officially feel bad for this reality's Olivia.  She was so closed off until Peter got here.  Olivia flourished around Peter and her personality grew by leaps and bounds only to have the rug pulled completely out from under her.
     - I'm starting to think that September telling Olivia that she has to die may mean that she has to let her consciousness die and be replaced by Peter's Olivia.

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  148. lordbradiii27 February 2012 at 22:35

    I 100% agree with and believe your assertion that the Observers are *some* kind of product of Henry. To me, it makes all the sense in the world, and would tie back a few things very nicely, including the very need for the *existence* of the Observers in the first place.

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  149. DarqueMode8 April 2014 at 02:30

    Good point.
    The only thing I can think of is that the lights were off so she assumed he wanted her to turn them on... but I agree it makes little sense.

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  150. idleistic8 April 2014 at 02:30

    I have that feeling too...Great episode anyway!

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  151. DarthLocke48 April 2014 at 02:30

    This whole thing is a little weirder for anyone reading the comics...even though the part B's aren't cannon, there is one where we meet [blue] Olivia and [red] Peter's son, Trevor, a kid born with cortexifan abilities where he can see 'the future'...(They drew him like a little harry potter, which is sort of funny since Trevor is Neville's pet toad, and Neville, because he shares Harry Birthday, is kind of written in comparison to Harry...and of course Trevor is Josh Holloway's character's name in MI:GP...)

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  152. Zach Hurwitz8 April 2014 at 02:31

    The end result must be in Peter and Olivia getting together
    and having Henry. Season 3 ended with Peter putting himself in The Machine to
    reset the timeline due to the improper birth of Henry with Fauxlivia (told by
    September).



    Perhaps the need to have Peter and Olivia together is due to
    their child playing a part in the creation of the Observers or the that the
    Observers may be decedents of Henry.



    As of now there are two separate timelines each with two
    universes experiencing these timelines. For this we can refer to each character
    as having multiple iterations depending on the universe and timeline. We
    already know of Olivia and Fauxlivia which is where Peter existed from Seasons
    1-3. In this timeline Peter died in the Blue universe but was saved from the
    Red universe and grew up etc. The second timeline is one in which Peter died in
    the Blue universe and Peter also died in Reiden lake since September did not
    intervene when he was brought over from the Red universe.



    When Peter got into the Machine in Season 3 he moved his
    consciousness from the initial timeline to one in which he never lived past his
    younger years. Why he did this I am still unsure and remains to be answered.
    Walter has been right in that Peter is pushing onto OliviaB in conjunction with
    the cortexephan she was receiving. By pushing his memories of his timeline onto
    OliviaB the two timelines are merging to allow the end result to occur: Peter
    and Olivia getting together and having Henry!


     

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