Fair. Not much to get excited about. Here's to hoping that the Leviathan storyline jumps leaps and bounds now. I would have loved to see the heat turned up by the Leviathans after Bobby's death. Would have seemed logical.
Been a long time since a simple hunt, I don't mind to relax after a huge episode like the last one..but I'm just having a hard time seeing how the boys, in 3-4 weeks, never though the numbers could be coordinate, it was the first thought in almost everyone mind after Death's Door
it was far from the best, but worst ever? Its sad they didn't do a big leviathan episode, a missed opportunity, but it was far from being as bad as Bug or Live free or twi-hard ...or family remains
I loved Frank, he was entertaining. The girl's acting was a little...off, for me. I like the scene where Dean wants her to fist bump him, he just sounds so adorable and then he went and got all hardcore again by handcuffing her to the steering lol. :D
I actually thought the side view of the guy at the beginning was Misha...I miss him dearly.
I'm thinking they were going for a lighter episode and I was waiting for things to get interesting but it failed for me. I was rather bored most of the time. I'm sorry Spn but I really did not enjoy this episode. I'll still vote awesome though because, well I support SPN no matter what.
Well.. I'm sitting here trying to wrap my head around what I just watched.
Bobby is dead... I refused to believe it but apparently he is. Puzzlement number one. A character that has been on the show for SIX seasons and that is how you say goodbye to him? Dean and Sam sitting in a cabin while we see 'Week One'... "Week Two".....
Puzzlement number two... Sera was all about the brothers this season. So far the brothers have been anything but. They are apart more than they are together and when they are together they sure as hell don't act like brothers.
Puzzlement number three... WTF is up with Dean's voice and these 'terminator' looks? I mean seriously, is that supposed to look and sound cool? And before all you Dean girls start screaming I will say the same about Sam. Well not the voice but the stupid, wimpy, whoa is me looks. And don't even get me started on the Elvis wanna be side burns.
Puzzlement number four... So are we to now accept Frank as the Bobby Singer replacement? I hope to hell not because he is NOT Bobby Singer.
Puzzlement number five... I still haven't decided if I liked it or not. It had some good scenes.. but at the same time it had some really annoying scenes. And to be totally honest, I am confused as hell at that ending. I have NO clue what Sera was trying to do or what the message was.
All in all I'd give it a 7 out of 10. I enjoyed it but if this was Jim Beaver's goodbye to Supernatural, they did not do it justice.
Oh and joy of joys, we get to see them APART next week, yet again. Memo to Sera, they are BROTHERS. The success of the show is that they are BROTHERS, working together, CARING about each other! Sigh.....
I really enjoyed the episode. It was low key, which I think after the big episode of losing Bobby it made sense. I for one didn't think the numbers were co-ordinates, so I guess not everyone thought that. I didn't have any idea of what they might be. Since the boys were going off the fact that they had only 5 numbers to work with, I am not surprised they didn't of co-ordinates either. Been a long time since anyone has given them co-ordinates. I liked Frank, he was funny and I liked the fact that he let Dean know that he wasn't alone in dealing with losing people he cared about. I also liked the little girl, though there were times I wasn't sure he should trust her. Oh and I think Bobby's ghost drank Dean's beer.
That girl was really, reallllllly annoying. Oh yeah, she saved our lives...right after she got us into the mess!
Other than that, a solid episode. The brothers are gaining maturity and not the fake maturity earlier this season. I loved the theme of the episode. I also loved the use of classic rock!
''if this was Jim Beaver's goodbye to Supernatural, they did not do it justice. '' the goodbye to Bobby, if it really was his final goodbye, was in the last episode, they did a whole episode as a tribute to him, they can't do that every single episode. And I don't see the problems with the boys being lost in the first week, hard to think and they're not the type to talk about their feeling
And for them being apar this one, I don't see what else they should've done; ignore the girl who sounded in danger? When's the last time they decided to just let people died without doing nothing?...Or let go of resolving the numbers' question that Bobby gave them before dying? Both things were important
:P I like your idea of Bobby drinking the beer, I thought about this, I don't think it was just Dean's mind doing tricks to him, especially after showing a big shot of the full beer first and then couple of lines about that
So this is what we waited a month for?! Ok, let me just start out by saying how disappointed I am that Bobby actually died. I was so hoping he'd somehow pull through. That being said, he did go out the right way, with a fitting farewell. Too bad the follow up to that farewell had to be so weak. Nice premise, with the kid and her dad getting out of hunting and I actually liked the creatures...some classic Supernatural gore there. Unfortunately, the good elements stop before we get to the Winchesters. I just do not understand what Sera Gamble and her crew are doing this season. It's like they've forgotten how to write either brother and really can't figure out how to write them together. Their scenes together are so weak and so lame, it's frustrating the crap out of me. I figured both brothers would lose it if Bobby died but really? That's all they could manage...have Dean growl and Sam look moonie eyed? I'm sorry, but my 10 year old niece could write better than that! And what the hell was that whole final conversation? Those used to be the powerhouse moments that kicked you in the gut in the last five minutes. This REALLY felt flat! So they're going to continue working...ok, I guess that's what Bobby would tell them to do, but it seemed kind of anti-climactic. And what was with the final shot of Dean with the weird look on his face? I'm REALLY, REALLY getting sick of this! It's not bad enough they had to kill off Bobby, they have to continue deconstructing the guys too? I WANT MY BOYS BACK, DAMMIIT! Oh and as for Frank...I thought it was supposed to be Sam and Dean, Butch and Sundance, with no-one else to count on. So now he's going to be the go to guy? Man, I hope not. He's funny but he's not that good. I don't know what I was expecting, but it certainly wasn't this. Wasn't a totally bad episode, but it really disappointed me in some key ways...sigh.
You missed my point. The episode did not do Jim Beaver justice. As for them being apart, yeah I got it. Doesn't mean I had to like it. Every week Sera seems to come up with a reason to split them up. It's getting tiring.
Totally what we were all saying - you mean Dean needed Frank to suggest that they could be coordinates? Really? You would think the writer had never seen the earlier seasons of SPN! Come on - why are things so different this season? The brothers are split up in almost every episode until the very end and the next episode is the same story. What happened to them working together - that is what this show was all about! The brothers are losing people right and left and yet they keep splitting up? What happened to the whole "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid " concept I heard Sera talk about at the beginning of the season? I am ready whenever she is!!
Seriously, I nicknamed Sam's season 6 second-half persona as Empty Vessel Sam. at the time, I was thinking that the lack of spark might be because his memories were gone. I was hoping his drive would come back this season, but I'm barely seeing a trace of the personality he had in the earlier seasons.
As for Dean, I'm waiting for the episode in which they dress him in a leather jacket, strap a pair of water skies on him and make him jump over a tank of sharks.
I couldn't have said it better myself! I am finding it so hard to watch these episodes this season - I just keep hoping that they will bring back the brothers. Sadly it is not happening!! And they are killing off everyone else in addition! What is going on???? A question I have been asking since episode 3!
Yeah, they're maturing but I really think Sera and the writers are doing them a disservice. It's like they've forgotten how to write either character...they're shells of themselves. It's frustrating the hell out of me.
I liked the idea of the girl's character and she and Dean had a couple of cute moments but in past seasons, they would've played that whole thing up so much better. Something is missing...it's like show has been robbed of its soul. Sigh.
I just put Great, not sure what I wanted different other than the brothers to be together. SPN is doing the same thing that Burn Notice did and splitting up what brought me to the show is not the way to keep me. The show is about FAMILY and it needs to get back to that. After Death's Door, this just seemed a big let down. I do like Frank, but he is NOT Bobby, didn't care for the kid at all. I LOVE this show, has been my favorite since it started and I don't want to put Great instead of AWESOME. Makes me sad. :(
Agreed on Frank. The idea is a good one, although I was under the impression the whole point was to divest the guys of a go-to source. If not, then why kill off Bobby in the first place? The execution is definitely lacking...seems forced, but that's par for the course with the show this season, a lot of it is forced.
The sideburns need to be hunted. And you are right Sam has NO personality. It's like Sera does not know how to do normal Sam anymore. And she had destroyed the brotherly bond between him and Dean. Dean doesn't even seem to care that Lucifer is in Sam's head.
They did that with John...would've been too similar. But they needed to do something. Bobby said his goodbye in his way but it's like the guys never got to say theirs.
I really think the writing gives little for either brother to work with. Sam doesn't even have a storyline right now since they completely and totally dropped the whole Hell thing. Dean is just angry all of the time, when they aren't using him for comic relief. They are both awesome actors who have done amazing stuff in the past - they need to improve the WRITING for BOTH BROTHERS!!
I agree with you completely! Where the hell have the brothers gone!? They aren't acting like themselves and they certainly aren't acting like brothers! I've always watched the show for their relationship. That was why I started watching it and that's why I've kept watching it. Hell, that was the point of the entire thing! *Family.* Sam and Dean. *Brothers.* If that's gone, can this really even be called Supernatural? I don't know. But I frickin' miss Sam and Dean being "Sam-and-Dean."
I heard a rumor he was leaving the show and Cliff said it was 100% fake, maybe you're talking about something that came more or less from that same rumor
how can a main character not appear in the show or have reduced scenes. What is happening? Unless it's because his child is being born or some other family matter, I will be severely upset.
I dont know if it is true or not but it makes sense, they're only filming episode 14 and the baby is due in March, unless they get a move on or pre-shoot Jared's scenes they wont be done filming the season in time. If the baby is born early they're screwed. hence writing Sam light episodes. I would imagine anything beyond episode 17/18 will have very little-no Sam just to be on the safe side.
I agree, they needed something, it left a big hole for me. What did they do with him? He needed a send off and closure, is he really dead? Would the writers have done it this way for Bobby, a main character for all these years?
I don't mind the boys splitting up one episode or two once in a while, its not like its been that every single seconds of the season. Ok we had 3 (Girl next door/Time for a wedding/this one) so far and one next week. Ok this starting to get 1 or 2 too much for a single season, but bedside that they've been together. We had half a season last year without Sam, this season is way up from last year, people should be happy with that. At least the majority of episodes were they're appart is not cause they're fighting or angry or anything.
Sure there was the whole Amy thing that put, to say the very least, some 'tension', I give you that. It was drag too long, but I'm happy that the episode after the secret was out they were working together and it wasn't another Free to be you and me
I'm hoping with you they'll be together more and let's hope they'll work together all the way 'til the end of season, except for next week, but it could've a been a lot worse...and it a long way from last season
People have babies all the time. He's only a few hours from LA. If he was filming when she delivers he'd miss a few days at most. He's a professional and I'm pretty sure he is not going to miss any episodes. It's a rumor, nothing more.
That will be about the time he will be a new Dad, and I would be happy to have him take time off, after all the show used to be about FAMILY. Notice I said USED TO BE.
It's just a rumor, based on little or no fact. He has all summer to spend with his child. I seriously doubt he's asking to be written out of ANY episodes.
I really enjoyed this episode. Deveraux was great and useful and entertaining...Dean and Sam aren't at odds anymore...and Dean's acting professional and seems to have at least somewhat reacquired a sense of purpose. They're obviously keeping Bobby out of the picture for a long time, so we'll either never see him again, we'll see his ghost, confirming he's gone, or he'll be alive and it'll be a big surprise.
However, that beer emptying out of Dean's hand points to someone sending Dean a message, and that's likely Mr. Singer from the other side.
:( I agree with you there, i'm still waiting to see more Hell things, especially since they showed Lucifer again in the ''Previously on'', I had some hope at the beginning of the episode.
I hope we'll have more than just that one scene in 7x09 where Sam mentionned Lucifer to Bobby a little.
I thought Frank's reason to be there was mainly to relay to Dean the fact that even through it all if he wants to achieve his revenge or not to fail or to let Bobby have died in vain, he needs to stop drowning in the things that are happening to him and "be professional." This would allow him to at least meet his objective in taking down the Roman empire (lol) and maybe avenge Bobby's death...
Although you are right...I hope that Frank isn't just going to be a replacement for Bobby because that would be an insult. I wouldn't mind him popping in and out for this season since they've pulled him in earlier in the story with the leviathans, but after his involvement in the leviathan case I think they should go their separate ways and he can pop up in a season or two.
LOL I agree about Dean's looks and his Christian-Bale-Batman-Throat-ripping voice action. My throat hurts watching him talk lately... And Sammy's hair just keeps growing... It's like a chia pet moose or something...
Okay, I'm confessing! I'm one of the ones to give that episode a poor vote.
First, the episode killed Bobby or looked like it killed Bobby.
Second, the brothers were apart. And that end conversation was bad. It really really just flopped. And no offense to Jensen, but what was that? I mean, if that was suppose to be a sympathetic fake it shot, I think I rather have the god-awful montage like in "Mannequin 3," than watching an actor try to do something was absolutely nothing and pure awfulness. Jensen is a good actor, but guess what actors kind of need something to act! I don't know, but the end conversations in the car are so lame now. And it's like the brothers aren't together or brothers anymore. Maybe it's the total lack of hope or storyline, so now when it comes time for the brothers to talk there isn't anything but anticlimactic half-hearted nothingness.
Third, I wasn't impress with the girl actress. I don't think she was horrible. But she was annoying and really stiff at moments. She didn't help the episode and considering she was in the episode more than Sam, the show needed to choose an actress who could help carry the scenes and she didn't. We had younger actors who could really carry their moments in the episode, but she just didn't cut it especially during the hostage scene.
Fourth, Sam. Jared was wonderful at showing Sam's worry over Dean and his totally loss over Bobby. He showed Sam's grieve and brought it to the surface. Sam wanted to make sure someone's Dad got home was excellent. But that was it. Jared was completely on his own, which is why parts of it were so amazing. Jensen on the other hand, did wonderful with Frank and showing Dean's emotional state. But with the kid? I found some scene kind of strange to want. I didn't like them. I was hoping for some of Sam's grief to be explored too, but that's like asking for rain in a desert in the middle of a heat wave. Just isn't going to happen. And then the next two episodes are going to be more Dean-centric (the 1940s and the cult). (I'm preparing for another "The End" like episode. Sam in the beginning for a minute and then in the ending for five minutes and based on the promo, I'm probably safe with that assumption.)
But my biggest problem with the episode that made me vote "poor" is this: Dean was having hallucinations. Normally, I can keep my Sam-girl very much in line and tell myself it doesn't mean anything, but this hurts. Sam's hallucinations are just dropped and we're giving this Sam's fine and we should worry about Dean because he has it worst (Sam's speech to Bobby about people having it worst was code for Dean). And now, Dean's having hallucinations. He is having problems with time. That could be a set up for next week's episode or maybe it's something else. But for now, it looks like Dean's the one we need to be worried about. Because guess what his hallucinations inferred with his hunting ability! Dean froze up! That never happens. Sam's hallucination are only reminded through the recaps at the beginning of the episode and now this! What am I suppose to think? It's only happening to Dean. Sam's fine. It's like Sam is no longer a lead in the show anymore. He has no storyline. The guest stars in this episode had more insight and interaction with Dean. Sam didn't bond with anymore, but he makes great wallpaper. But hallucinations? Dean? Really? I really hope it's just for next week's episode. Please just be for the next episode. I'll come to understand the complete lack of insight to Sam, but I don't think I could handle Dean having it worst means he is having hallucination that we get to explore and see.
No, screw the "entire point of Bobby". To think Bobby was an uninteresting character missed the entire point of Supernatural in itself. Bobby was the father figure for Sam and Dean for years, even when John was still alive as shown in the "Death's Door" and "A Very Supernatural Christmas" flashbacks. I have no idea what you are smoking RobertAriadne,but it must be terrible.
What do you mean about Dean's hallucinating? Did I miss something?
For the face at the end, I think being fake was the point, I think Dean was trying to 'smile' like he was told to do earlier in the episode, having if he doesn't mean it
That makes sense. But the writers have known about Jared's situation for a while now. This episode was filmed after everyone knew about it and the due date. They needed to focus on Sam's story if not in the beginning part of the season where it made sense because his wall had just broken, then at least during the middle part. They needed to make these episodes more Sam-heavy, not Dean. Then let the end of the season be more about Dean, but nope. You can't reduce Sam's role anymore. Well, I guess you can. You can take the wallpaper down, so yeah, I guess we're going to be getting a lot more "In the Beginning" like episodes.
I need to rewatch because I was so distracted by my epic tears of sorrow for Bobby that I couldn't pay very good attention to the first half of the episode. I really do not know what more these boys can suffer through and still be okay. I have real worries for them. I have hopes too; and curiosity. Dean's mysteriously drained beer was not lost on me...I can't wait to see what that is foreshadowing.
Very good episode, even if it cemented Bobby's demise (permanent or not...). Bobby, from the start, was an instant favorite for me.
A good, solid episode. Frank is so unlikeable! He cracks me up. I think we are supposed to feel the same exasperation as Dean feels toward him, and it's working. He'll never be a replacement for Bobby and I don't think he's meant to be, but they do need someone on their side.I like that Krissy and her dad got a second chance - thanks to the Winchesters. Score one for the good guys.And I KNEW those weren't vamps! I love being right :P
It doesn't matter who Bobby is. I love him but the episode was boring. It's not Bobby's fault, it's the writers fault that they just can't write SPN episodes anymore.
I'm honestly just watching SPN because I want to see Cas on the 17th episode. If he dies again then I will definitely stop watching. There's nothing interesting in that show anymore. It's time to stop with the new seasons that are filled with absolutely nothing.
Yeah, the beer. Then there was the question of the four weeks. Then Dean hesitated before Sam killed the creature. Dean doesn't hesitated. Sam only hesitated in the second season, but he hasn't since (not on hunts of the week like this one). Sam didn't even show signs of slowing down when his wall fell. So, something is up with Dean. It could be a set up for next week's episode, but then it could be something else. I read the theories on Bobby, but then it wouldn't the room of gotten cold? Normally on the show, when there is a spirit they do that breath thing to show the room is getting colder. That's why I don't agree with the idea that it's Bobby.
(I'm not saying that Bobby couldn't return as a ghost, but I don't think it was him. And ghosts don't drink. Then again, Bobby probably would find a way, haha!) I'm hoping it was just foreshadowing next week and not something else, but I'm really bugged at Dean's the one having a mind trip and Sam's hallucinations were only featured in the recap.
I understand what Dean was trying to do. He was trying to "fake it," but I just felt so bad for Jensen. He is a brilliant actor, but you can't really act "fake" smiling to nothing. It's just was so forced into the episode. I get that Dean's suffering and now he is going to just try to get to the end of the week, so why write a scene focusing on Dean smiling at nothing. There was nothing to it and it should have been cut. Jensen does just fine without having to have scenes in which we see Dean practicing faking it. (And it just rubs salt into my paper-cut that was treated with lemon juice over Sam. We get to see Dean practice faking it!! Seriously!! Practice!! And Sam simply states once again like with John that he is not fine and then exits the episodes.)
I haven't thought of the cold...but sometime in the show its doesn't happen, its weird now that I think about it (like when Dean's spirit was out of his body in the S2 premiere).
For the week v.s day, i'm thinking its more Frank who's wrong, Bobby did say he's a lunitic and all^^; and I'm thinking they called Frank soon, but I could be wrong
That's a good point about the show didn't use it for Dean's out of body experience. But I'm really unsure about it being Bobby. I'm leaning towards a set up of next week since everything had to deal with time.
As for Frank, I don't know about that guy. A part of me thinks, he's the loopy one, but then again the brothers just sat there for a few weeks and looked like they did nothing. Then they kicked the looking for the Leviathans into high gear. So, that makes me doubt Dean. I don't think that wall of Leviathans was set up during the beginning three weeks, but I could have missed it. And the brothers seemed like they didn't want to call anyone. They didn't want to notify anyone weeks after. So, how bad were they right after?
It could go either way. I'm not sure, but I'm worried. Or paranoid? I'm probably both.
Though I saw it coming, and though I'd made my peace with it, I still can't believe Bobby's gone. These poor boys have lost everyone close to them, and it's hard to imagine them getting past the death of a second father anytime soon. That being said, though, I don't think he'll stay gone. I'm not saying there'll be a resurrection, but I can see him making his way back to them in some shape or form somewhere down the line.
The writers really took this "back to basics" thing seriously - we really are down to just the two brothers again - but there's such a distance between them. I hate all the angst, and I wish they'd fix it. I know it's a bit much to ask/hope for after the dark turn the series has taken, as well as all of the horrible stuff the guys have been through, but Sam and Dean seem more like acquaintances than anything at this point.. and I hate it.
Also, someone really needs to fix Sam's hair.. I mean seriously.. the sideburns are out of control.
I've read through a lot of the comments here that adventures in Babysitting was lacking, but I feel this was actually a good way to come back after the hiatus. Bobby's death left the boys in a sort of limbo, neither knowing what to do and both trying to simply keep themselves from going under. I think the episode did exactly what it was supposed to and conveyed that feeling through to the audience. I was still reeling from Bobby's death and it was good to see both the boys struggling without the full out angst some people expected. Dean wanting to fall back into uber-hunter mode and Sam wanting to find a job to keep from thinking were in character. Altho they weren't together, they were in contact even tho they each did what they felt they had to do. Sam knew he couldn't help Dean deal with this and he knew Dean was in no condition to help him.
The fact that Bobby was a number short (understandable giving there was a bullet in his noggin) was plausible in why they couldn't find a meaning for his last message. They don't have the computer power, algorithms or research background to come up with the answer -- Frank Deveraux did. He was an obvious choice to turn to. I like Frank. He's a bit nuts, but he does see what's going on even tho it may be through conspiracy-colored glasses. Dean needed that outside perspective to get his head around losing Bobby. Everyone he's ever relied on is gone. Remember he took care of Sam his whole life, everyone he turned to for answers is now gone. He needed that perspective to get himself into a frame of mind where he could see that he couldn't make the same mistake John did. Revenge isn't what the job is about.
That was paralleled nicely with Krissy and her dad. The boys could see the road she was headed down. Dean has made comments about how Jo and Sam were kids. Hunters were never kids -- he never was -- and he saw Krissy as a kid. It would be a shame to make her endure the kind of life they did. I'm glad her dad listened. Maybe she will get to go to college. It's a nice thought and one the boys deserve to hold onto. Maybe, just maybe, someone could make it out for good.
That also helped with Dean's perspective. The thought that they could save Krissy and her dad and give them a chance made it a little easier for him to let go of his grief and remember why they did the job in the first place. His glassy eyed smile at the end almost made me cry. The man has incredible eyes. :)
I'm really looking forward to next week. Elliot Ness and Dean with a Tommy gun should be entertaining. And I'm very curious as to who's the 'old friend' Sam runs into.
One final thought: what really happened to Dean's beer? They made it obvious, so it has to be a first step into something more significant. I'm looking forward to watching that mystery unfold and will be paying close attention.
Yeah, I think anything was going to be underwhelming after Death's Door - it was such an intense episode, and they left us at the top of an emotional roller coaster. I know I built the return up so much in my mind, and I don't know what could have lived up to my expectations. Stupid hiatus.
As much as I would love it, I don't think he'll be back for good :( I suppose everything's up in the air at this point, with uncertain prospects for season 8, but I thought they were pretty clear about Misha only being back for 2 or 3 episodes. I'm not sure how much impact fans actually have on this show, but maybe if his return is received really well, they'll keep him around a bit longer.
All of that being said, I have really high hopes for his return as well - this season has become so so sad, and while I'm still enjoying it, I hope it takes a turn for the better sometime soon. You'd think after experiencing Hell, these poor boys would catch a break.
All I can picture is Dean in Bad Day at Black Rock saying "I'm Batman!" Little did he know, he'd really would make the transition over the next few years..
Also, it physically pains me to think that someone out there still thinks that Sam's hair is a good idea. Those sideburns are the real monsters.
We know Bobby died, but did he go with the Reaper? His ghost could be there stealing Dean's beer. :) Maybe it's his way of trying to get him back on track. Maybe that's Dean's big secret? He sees dead Bobbys. :)
Thank you, I agree. Dean got all the bonding & life-evaluating with Krissy and Frank and Sam got captured too easily. Sam got a hero moments when he took the bite meant for Lee and killed the second baddie. Then, yet again, Sam was "away" while Krissy had more goodbye moments and thanks for Dean. It's a toss-up for me which episode was weaker for a Sam Fan - AIB or TM.
I'm actually relieved it didn't continue the epic sadness of Death's Door and that this was a sort of brindge over to what's to come, a pause so to speak. It was entertaining in a non-complicated way.
And I thought the scenes with Frank and Dean with the girl were great. I was especially impressed by the badass girl, behaving like mini-Dean. Very charmed by it.
Like others, there were alot of questions about the beer, and the 2 time lapses. I can't help but speculate it's Bobby communicating, too. This season has been poor at continuity and implied meanings, but I hope this is a sign that there is more than meets the eye here.
:) Thansk for putting in words many of my thoughts for the episode.
There's good and bad part having a passionate fan base, the bad part being when you have one good/great episode, its great for the day its airing, but when you have one episode that is bad (or just 'normal'/average, the fans dragg the whole serie down like the bad one never existed. SPN need stellar episodes week after week for some people and if an episode is not incredible, its ''awful'' while the same quality for any others serie would be ''great''. No serie can have 100% of their eps. being incredible
There's some things that could need fixing, like we need more Sam's POV about Hell, but overall the serie is still great
I agree with what you said, but the problem I see is that Dean is the only brother to receive these pep talks or tough love talks from various recurring as well as guest characters. Never Sam. It gets tiresome.
I agree with you guys or gals... I was like "Duh", of course they are the first five digits of coordinates. The boys could have and should have figured that out themselves.
I agree with you on the Lucifer scene in the "Then". I was hoping to see more Sam coping with his cage memories along with grieving for Bobby but we got nothing.
Don't even know why I bothered to hope that Sam would have anything at all interesting to do or say in this ep. Once again his POV is shoved to the background and he's conveniently tied up somewhere "out of the way" so Dean can have all the focus. Seriously, the whole plot with Sams hunt seemed like nothing more than a means of getting him out of the way so that the rest of the ep could be all about Dean, how Dean's dealing/feeling, etc. They showed about 70% of Sam's scenes in the promos for this ep - we got NOTHING new or interesting that we didn't already know was going to happen with him. He didn't even get to save himself - he just sat around tied up until Dean showed up to rescue him. And again, the civilian character thanks DEAN for saving her and Sam just wanders into the background (like in The Mentalists). Sorry, but wasn't SAM the one who took the initiative to show up and help her in the first place? Did SAM not actually stab the monster while Dean stood there frozen? Would a "thanks, Sam!" have been too much to ask? Apparently. he doesn't even get a wave goodbye, but Dean gets a bonding moment and a heartfelt thanks.
And judging by the promo for next week, which shows Sam for about 0.5 seconds total, he won't have squat to do in that ep either. Because Dean gets ANOTHER time travel ep. When the hell do we get to see SAM go back or forward in time on his own? Seriously, they should just rename Supernatural 'The Dean Winchester Show' and be done with it. Do the writers remember that this is supposed to be a show about TWO brothers? I still watch because I love the show and both brothers, but I'm getting REALLY fed up with the way Sam's POV is ALWAYS neglected. Just ONCE I'd like to see events from his POV, know what he feels or thinks about what's happening, etc. I end up feeling frustrated and angry while I watch now, because of how consistently neglected Sam's POV/character are.
Where's the promised Sam story arc that was supposed to be happening the second half of the season? We've got a clearly Dean-centric ep next week, plus the three eps with Misha that will no doubt be focused on Cas/Levi-Cas and Dean's angst over the Cas situation (since DEAN gets the deep bond with an angel, and Sam gets squat except his brain scrambled), and then we've got to assume that several eps at the end of the season will be devoted to the major story arc and the leviathans. So where's the room for Sam? This is getting really old. I never used to miss an ep - EVER. But I'll probably be skipping next week's because it'll just make me frustrated and pissed off - when the spoilers for that ep started showing up and they said that "one brother" would go back in time, I thought "FINALLY! Sam will get a time travel ep - they HAVE to give him one, since Dean's had solo time travel eps multiple times already and Sam has had none.
Yeah, we didn't have the real Sam for half of season six, but honestly even with the real Sam in this season we still aren't getting ANY POV from him (except the first two eps - just enough to make me hope before they snatched it away again!). Every time they're split up, it's basically an excuse to get Sam out of the way so that Dean can have all the plot/POV. Like tonight. They literally just tied him up out of the way so that Dean could have a whole ep of emotional exploration and growth. He wanders off into the background so that the little girl can thank Dean and have a moment with him (completely forgetting about Sam, who was the one who wanted to help her in the first place). Then he gets one tiny scene of "I'm not okay" before he goes to sleep so that we can focus on DEAN again. Honestly it's like the writers think he's just a third wheel and they're trying to sideline him as much as possible. It's getting SO old. :(
I liked this episode--except for the end, where the girl says she's retiring. "One and done." UGH. Hunters don't retire. Sam tried for a while, attending college, and Dean tried for a while, doing the domestic scene with Lisa and Ben. Neither were able to stay away because hunters hunt. The girl's got talent, and whatever future there may be in hunting should be hers.
I like that the brothers are changing. Come on, people, Sam and Dean aren't little twenty-something teenybopper types anymore! Dean comes off in this episode like a grown man, dealing with situations and the girl like the adult he's supposed to be at this point. Nice.
I enjoyed it a lot. I gave it a good rather than awesome because I wanted to see the boys helping each other through their grief rather than splitting up again. But it was a good ep.
BTW I refuse to believe Bobby is gone. We didn't see a body or a funeral. I'm still (unrealistically) hoping they have him stashed somewhere in a coma.
The missing time, the knuckle punches, the suddenly empty beer, the frozen can't move and kill the MOTHW, there is something off with Dean. What if he is caring Bobby's soul or something like that?
Here's my first question... Fifteen thousand dollars?!?!?! Where did Dean find fifteen thousand dollars?
Feels kind of right that Bobby's dead. Though I knew he was...I found myself really happy that they didn't wimp out (I was worried after the ridiculous cliff hanger tinge to the end of Death's Door.)
Here's my second question... Why's the beer gone? That is NOT as simple as Dean not paying attention. My first though watching that scene....'Was that Bobby?'
I really like Frank. He's a hoot and way smarter than he looks. Loved Dean making him cut his arm too.
I really like this little girl. :-D Right up until the stupid nincompoop dashed into the middle of things. I hope she has a plan cause if not...oh good. Plan
The final scene was nice and simple and Dean trying to take Frank's advice.
No, it had nothing to do with Death's Door emotional roller coaster, I knew Bobby was dead even before that sneak peek, I've had a week or so to deal with that little nugget, I am consoled with the fact that Jim will be reuniting with Timmy O, over on Justified, this episode seemed so disjointed and I just couldn't connect, the writing was trite and I suspose I am tired of the brothers splitting up, even if they did get back together by the end of the episode, we needed a better update about the leviathans, I needed something more, I never want to see Frank, Ever again, they could have substituted in Crowley (I think that would have been way better). I felt the same way about TVD and TSC too. Only Nikita truly came back with a bang. I hate kids on SPN (unless it's flashbacks to lil Sammy and Dean). I am not a Sammy or Dean girl, I am straight Team Winchester (okay maybe a lean towards Sammy a little more if we're being honest) but I feel like Sammy has all but disappeared. I think I could count his lines on both my hands with a few fingers to spare (a slight exaggeration, maybe but not by much). I love Dean (what girl wouldn't) but he has been hogging the screen time since forever. Sammy has turned into Nate from Gossip Girl (or maybe it's the other way around), always a plot device and never a full fledged, fully formed character. But my favorite part of the whole episode was when Dean smiled to himself, signaling he was taking Frank's advice to heart. I do have a slight migraine from the anvil being dropped on my head when Dean's drink disappeared. I am pretty sure that was Bobby (But as much as I love Bobby, I want him to STAY dead, I don't want to see him as a ghost, THIS loss needs to reverberate throughout the rest of the show's run). Dean still has some issues we need to address. The writers might have forgotten but I haven't. I am also not excited for the next episode. I have a strange feeling that there is an episode coming up that will again divide the fandom (we're about due for one) and this might be it. I have never cared for alt verse stories or the time travel ones.
I think it was great! Just wish Dean&Sam get to spend more time together. That's when they're stronger!
I still think Krissy should have stay in the car, cause all was going well before she came, and then she made things complicated and had to help herself. But I understand it's impossible to just wait in this kind of situation.
As for Frank, he's no Bobby, certainly too paranoid, but he's ok. We'll see.
Poor boys. They're not good, but they have to keep going. I really think they need some success and hope that things could be better. Hope that time really heals wounds, at least a bit. SO good luck, guys;) And maybe the smile won't be a fake one day.
I loved tonight's episode. It gave some time to get over the immediate shock. You could tell how the healing process did or did not go. Dean sleeping that length of time told volumes. The saddest part of the episode was in the car at the end. Sam trying to have a conversation, being honest. Dean, at first, saying he was okay, then saying I need to work. He spoke of revenge. Then the Sam going to sleep, the music playing, and Dean with that horrible smile that he was trying so hard to make natural.....remembering what he was told about living one week at a time and smiling. The poignant look on Sam's face and Dean's strange smile broke my heart. Incredible acting from both of them.
Question: Did anyone else think that maybe Dean did not forget he had drunk a bottle of beer? Maybe Bobby is around some how? Maybe Bobby drank it and tossed it? It crossed my mind. I hope Dean hasn't reached that point.
There is no way on earth that Bobby is an uninteresting character. He is the saving point for the emotional and mental sanity of Sam and Dean. He's Daddy. John was the father. No way did either of the boys mourn John like they did Bobby. He deserved the ending he got. Each his own, but Bobby Singer is an essential part of Supernatural.
The episode gave us some valuable canon. I have been saying all along that John Winchester was not a Dad to those boys. This episode proved it. It also proved that the boys loved him deeply. I think that the episode also pulled them together. They can work apart but still need each other. That is more natural. I liked all of it and cried my heart out over it.
It wasn't a bad episode. It had some interesting things that were needed. Frank said things that can help Dean heal. It won't be easy. Dean has lost so much. He takes things so hard. Sam was good tonight His comments that led to his being bitten instead of Krissy's Dad was incredibly brave and totally Sam. I liked the episode.
I don't think it was that bad. There are others besides Bugs that I can barely tolerate. Last season had its shared. Other then Defending Your Life, I didn't have that problems with this one but there were a few that I couldn't figure out.
My main one is that Dean Winchester would have let hunters know that the creatures traveled in pairs. He probably would not have said anything to John. That's due to the way John raised him, but Sam, Bobby, and others would have known. That is not Dean Winchester. Poor writing on that. Don't the writers know the boys at all?
I kinda hope it was a sign, from Bobby or not, that maybe it will be best if Dean stopped drinking this much, cause I'm pretty sure it only makes him feel worse.
That's interesting theory, but I'm pretty sure that Jimmy's body is in far worse shape than Bobby's (or same as in both gone) plus I can't really imagine how would that work.
I liked Death's Door, and I don't think Bobby's a waste of time. But you can think whatever you want. I liked this episode too, in spite the fact that Bobby's death is a fact.
I'm trying to think that they left Bobby's decision to leave out of Death's Door, so to leave it on a "cliffhanger" for the hiatus. I think that this show has a "if you didn't see it on the screen, then it didn't happen", since they teased bringing Cas back before the end of the season. So they may cop out and have Bobby's ghost around haunting the brothers. I think Death's Door was a brilliant farewell tho, and wouldn't want them bringing Bobby back.
In saying that, the thing with the Dean's beer and the weeks/days things with Frank. It's just due to them obsessing over the numbers and wanting revenge. I don't think it's anything more, but I would be pleasantly surprised if it was something more.
My issue wasn't just the total Dean focus. Honestly, that was expected. Although I will say that the way they didn't write some bonding moments between the girl and both Sam and Dean bothered me. When she just thanked Dean at the end, that felt weird. I'm used to romantic interests zeroing in on whoever they're drawn to for the final goodbye, but that girl was a little too young to be a romantic interest for Dean.
But mostly I just felt the writing was very flat and I they had no personalities. About 20 minutes into the episode I was thinking that those two people could be anyone. There was no trace of their personalities or history in the conversation. I didn't like that Sam got taken down so quickly. I thought season 2 Sam might have had a trick up his sleeve and wouldn't have walked into a trap like that so quickly. Remember how smart Sam was in Hunted, when two trip wires didn't take him down? I also had no clue what was going on with weird look on Dean's face at the end. I said in recent post that I don't think the motivations of the lead characters should be the big mystery on the show, and this is another example. Luckily I think Fringe is back next week. I don't think I can stomach another solo Dean time travel episode right now.
I don't usually like to make comments like this about someone I don't know, but they really need to fire him. These occasional episodes of his are bringing down the reputation of the whole show.
My problem with this ep is Bobby DID NOT get an ending. What did they do with him, throw him in a hole, what?? There is no closure. Is he really dead? They usually show the burning of the body. In a coma? Not remembering who or what he is? WHAT DAMN IT. OK I am breathing deeply and am OK again. lol Bobby was a critical part of the show and to not show an ending is not like these writers.
My other complaint is the great heart to heart talks in the car have been missing and I miss them.
John wasn't even in the episode, other than being on the other side of a phone conversation, so how did it say anything about his relationship with Sam and Dean? What the episode showed was that Bobby considered Sam and Dean family and they filled a gap in his life. Nothing more.
I've been reading comments about the missing beer and difference in time perception between Dean and Frank. I really hope this a set up to the time travel episode, or even something the Leviathans are doing. I really don't want Bobby to turn into Bobby the Friendly Ghost. That would be so corny, and ghosts are supposed to be scary. It's bad enough that demons aren't scary anymore. Can we at least not mess with ghosts, and not ruin Bobby's legacy by turning him into into a bad plot everyone later wants to forget happened?
12 and 13 are Dean centric 14 is a wacky MOTW episode (I believe) 15 is rumoured to be Dean centric apparently Jared has lots of days off at the moment
17 Cas is back
19-23 are rumoured to be Sam light/no Sam at all
dont know if the rumours are true or not and I dont usually put in stock in them but it does make sense.
I'll be expecting a very heavy Sam centric season 8-yeah like that'll happen?!
The episode was awsesome. I say there was no salt and burn that Bobbie's not dead just in a coma. can hope. I hope Bobbie still alive. Felt sorry for the guys they looked so sad. The liffle girl was funny she could have been a little female Dean. Can't wait till next week it looks like a good one.
I really enjoyed this episode. There was enough of an emphasis on the loss of Bobby and we saw exactly both Sam and Dean were handling their grief. This episode was exactly what I love about Supernatural...one episode can contain action, twists, violence, emotion, and humor. I loved Frank and Krissy and that ending had my crying my poor little eyes out because it was both sad and sweet at the same time. How the hell does SPN manage to do these things to me?
I don't even want to think for a moment that our beloved Bobby could be dead! I know that we "saw" him die, but he never answered the reaper's question! But, we have seen other characters come back to life, so it would not surprise me if it happens once again down the road with Bobby returning. The boys seem back to normal in being brothers once again by the end of the episode. It was great seeing Sam put the tape in the cassette deck, going night-night and then Dean smiling. I thought maybe we would actually see hated Dick Roman last night and I hope the boys do get him in the end. They have more of a reason now than before-revenge. I know we won't be seeing Cass for a good while now, but maybe when Cass is back to normal (and I really hope that happens), he will save Bobby once again like he did at the end of season 5. Awesome episode last night and well worth the long wait of a month (and 2 weeks with no show at all). Next week looks great-Dean goes back in time and Sam gets in trouble of course!!
yeah, he's in a serious spiral - in a fun, happier, fantasy season 7, I'm pretty sure there would be some sort of a supernatural intervention.. Bobby would be back, as well as Cas, John, Mary, Ellen, Jo, and maybe even Rufus. He was always good for some fun.
It was an ok episode. More fascinated now on the time slips and the empty beer bottle, then on the MOTW...which I thought were a little blah. I think they were going for 80s movies noir in this episode and for that they get a good over ok. Big hair, 80s fashion.
But for the time slips. Lovely little easter eggs to ponder. At first I was focused on the empty beer bottle, hoping it was a sign from Bobby or Ellen for Dean not to drink to cover his pain...now I'm thinking time slip which would fit in with next weeks episode where they deal with time travel. Maybe next weeks MOTW is messing with them this week and it will be explored?
Love how the writers make you wonder if the time slips are just grief and coping with extreme duress, or with Frank just because he's absolutely a nutjob, or if it's something more. Not my favorite episode but I've learned to just see where the SPN writers go instead of jumping to form a mob complete with flaming torches to burn them.
Contrary to popular belief apparently,I really enjoyed the episode. The whole point of it was to show the Winchesters dealing with Bobby's death and it did.I don't know why it is such a big surprise to some that they had different ways of coping and in order to do that they had to separate for a while.Their different approach on some things has been there since episode 1.
Also,I honestly didn't think they were out of character.Sam wanted to keep working and help the person who called Bobby and Dean wanted to go after Dick Roman without missing a beat.Very much in character in my opinion.I was actually quite surprised(and happy) when Dean suggested that Sam hunts alone because it means that he's finally realized that Sam can actually take care of himself.That doesn't mean they didn't act as brothers.They were keeping each other updated at all times.
The plot was nicely balanced between the individual hunt and the Leviathans.Frank is great,I truly wish we see more of him.He's fun and he can help the brothers. Krissy was also very cool,kind of how I pictured Dean as a kid.
And of course the episode created some very interesting questions for the future.What are the Leviathans building.And more importantly,what was the deal with Dean's beer?Bobby as a ghost maybe..Besides,the cliffhanger was never about Bobby living or dying.He was dead,it was over.The cliffhanger was about his choice,did he go with the Reaper or did he decide to stay behind?I'm not sure which would be better yet..
Puzzlement is a good word. It seems like every season since 2 the writers have said one thing about their hopes for the show and then taken a while (or maybe not even hitting season 6 imho) the thing they said for the show. I'm waiting for next week to see if the time slips actually mean something. As for Bobby's goodbye - its SPN no one ever really dies ;) *I keep telling myself that*
I noticed Dean's voice too - it was off. But again maybe that was what the writers wanted, to make us wonder WTH was going on with things being "off"? I don't think Frank will be Bobby's replacement - he's just plot and someone the boys can turn to with technical stuff.
Showrunners Gamble and Singer and consultant kripke please have your new writers and yourselves as reminders watch seasons 1 thru 3 where you can clearly see the heart of this show the brotherly relationship. As the new writers won't find that warmth and deep love and magic shown in the small details of the brothers relationship very much at all from mid season 4 thru mid season 6 when the Angels and Castile brought this show close to deaths door and nearly suffocating the brotherhood. I have no problem with Misha Collins coming back for a few episode but not as Castile that charcter and the Angel mythology should remain gone.I get he got a crappy looney tune ending that was ridiculous and which brought this high quality show to an all new low but that is what happens when you jump the shark like kripke did by forcing fitting his character and the Angel mythology in the show far too longer then they fit. There was damage done to this show and its tow main characters Sam and dean that can't be undone but hopefully Gamble Singer and consultant kripke who did start setting things right can get that brotherly love right and the show focused on the brotherly relationship Supernaturals very heart. The show is about them about family or it fails its plain and simple. Hope they act quickly. And another Dean centered episode is not the way to go. And for jared having a light schedule and not being in a bunch of episodes because of his baby being born.thats bologna they just will work his shooting schedule around a few days off.
I disagree with you totally about the Angels, I loved Castiel and the whole Angel arc. I do agree that some of the writers do not know the characters they are writing for, but since every thing has to be approved by Sera, just don't know what they are thinking.
That beer disappeared, Dean didn't drink it, Bobby is still about in some form watching over Dean because Dean needs someone to watch over him so he can be there when Sam eventually breaks.
As for the difference between John and Bobby. Bobby got to be soft when the boys needed it, John didn't get that chance because he couldn't be. As much as revenge got him into the life he found out the boys at some point couldn't have a normal life. He taught his boys to be able to physically defend themselves because unlike Krissy's dad who tried to keep her out of it as much as he could John knew that the both his boys would need to be able to fight. He might not have known the whole Lucifer thing he knew Sam was a special kid of the YED. It isn't much but being hard on them as he was in a life that has a short life expectancy was his way of trying to prevent them both of having an even shorter one.
''Every time'' They split up in Girl next door and it was Sam's centric, in Time for a wedding even if it was bad, Sam wasn't gone for half the episode either. Yesterday, yeah you're right. But that's 1 out of 3, all your exemples are from yesterday. Next week look more Dean centric, but until we see the episode, we don't know exactly what Sam will do while working with an old friend to try rescue his bro.
Like I said many time, I'm still waiting too from more POV from Hell.
Haters will hate, like I said in the promo topic, in every others shows I watch, everytime something a lot worse happen in the plot again and again and again, no one is complaining and everyone things its ssooo awesome, while in SPN, its hate all around, its sad
Yes I was thinking that too. I'd love for the strange events to be part of a time slip due to whatever happens in the next episode, though suddenly finding Bobby alive would cheapen that death, so I'm torn. But what season 7 desparately needs is the sense of continuity, that events that happen in one episode affect the others. This season is very poor on that, and since that was one of the great things about SPN, it's glaring.
We know Sheriff Mills is in the episode, but don't specifically if she is the 'old friend'. I wouldn't really categorize her as an "old friend' seeing as how she hasn't interacted with the boys since Dean Men Wear Plaid and that was hardly friendly. She would be a friend of Bobby's but I'd hardly consider her an "old" friend since their budding relationship was relatively new. I'm waiting to see if they spring something else. Sometimes you just can't take these promo descriptions literally. I'm hoping the "old friend" Sam runs into is Lucifer. :) But at this point, it could be anyone we've seen before or even someone Sam may have known before the series (like Brady). Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately) nothing is certain.
Very true. Even the eps that don't leave me breathless are better than most things I watch on TV. :) After Death's Door, I didn't want another in your face, emotional ep. I wanted to know the boys were adrift. I wanted Bobby's death to make an impact and I believe they accomplished that. They needed to find a way to get their feet back under them and balance what they needed to do (track down Dick and kill him) and what Bobby would want them to do (their jobs: saving people, hunting things, saving the world -- again.) Adventures in Babysitting accomplished that nicely.
Responsibly? No. But there are so many people here who seem to believe that two grown men--even brothers--shouldn't have separate lives. They seem to want the Winchesters to spend all their time together, not have lady friends, and have these deep, heartfelt discussions in every episode. That's not how men behave, unless they're lovers, and that's not supposed to be the relationship here. Sam and Dean are adult males, brothers and co-workers--not one another's alter-egos.
No offense, but have you even been watching the show for the last six seasons? Bobby was a father figure to the boys...in some ways, more of a father than John had ever been (though unlike some I actually love the character of John) and, as the wrtiers seem to have forgotten the last two seasons, the entire central focus of the show is FAMILY and the power/strength of that bond. That's what took down Lucifer, that's what the boys in their own way have been all about and Bobby was a key part of that family for them. Dean flat out said it back in Season 5, in "The Curious Case of Dean Winchester" when Bobby was contemplating giving up because he was in a wheelchair. He said Bobby was all the family he and Sam had. How anyone could call Bobby "uninteresting" or say that Death's Door was a boring episode is beyond me...that episode came closest to recapturing the classic Season 1/2 feel than any other in the last couple of seasons. The only good thing about Bobby being killed off is that at least they paid him the respect of giving him a proper farewell. Last night was supposed to be the follow up to that, the guys reaction to his loss, and it was very weak, which I found to be a shame.
Dean never drank that beer. As much drinking as he's been doing lately, he's never blacked out or compeletly lost track of time/what he was doing. There was more to that beer being emptied than that and many of us read it as Bobby being present somehow. Given the premise of the show and everything we've seen in six seasons, I think it was a legitimate connection to make.
Why woulld he have told anyone that unless they specifically came upon those creatures again? Apparantly, up until last night they hadn't. John and Bobby both knew a lot of stuff, they didn't tell it all to the boys until it became necessary to do so. I didn't have a problem with that detail at all. My bigger problem was Dean letting Sam go off and take that job on his own...in the past he NEVER would've done that, they would've gone together. I know, it was a function of Dean being dead set on revenge and also trying to let Sam stand on his own two feet more, but it still didn't feel right. Where's the protective big brother we love? Sigh.
I thought it in the last episode when Bobby wrote the numbers on Sam's hand...it was Dad giving them coordinates, one many nice homages to the earlier seasons in that episode. Too bad they couldn't have carried that feeling over to this week. I think Sera needs to forget showrunning and go back to being a writer...she's much better at writing!
Sorry, but I disagree with you on Bobby, we DID NOT get a proper farewell. Did they bury him? Give him a hunters farewell with the fire? WHAT!! There was not any closure on screen. There are lots of fans that cared about him as much as the boys did and we get nothing.
Absolutely. Actually, I think both Jared and Jensen have looked a little frustrated this season, almost like they know what they need to do as the characters but are being limited by the scripts they're getting. It's really a disservice to them!
Exactly...since when does having a baby mean you have to miss a chunk of time? He'll handle it. And as bad as things have gotten, it would be the ultimate sin to just entirely write out one of the two main characters. They do that and they might as well pull the plug on the show entirely, imo.
I actually just did a review on this over at my blog. The link is here-- http://easyreadinganddamnhardwriting.wordpress.com/2012/01/07/tv-review-supernatural-7-11-adventures-in-babysitting/
Basically, I liked it but it wasn't as good as it could have been. The monsters in particular were pretty meh. But I loved Frank & Dean going after the Leviathan together and all of Dean's scenes with the kid.
(I wasn't intending to pimp my blog or anything, fyi, I just didn't feel like typing/copy-pasting it all again. Also I linked back to a SpoilerTV article in it :D)
Um...let me just say off the top that yes, we all agree Sam is being greviously underused. That being said...
1. Dean is not hallucinating...don't know where you got that from. I really don't think that was the point of the disappearing beer. this is still Supernatural, remember...freaky shit happens all the time. There was more to the beer than that, which brings me to...
2. There didn't have to be a change in air temp in order for a spirit to be around. Again, this is SPN...anything can happen. And since Bobby never did anything by the book while he was alive, why would we start doing it once he was a spirit. If anyone can find a way to bend the spirit "rules", it's Bobby Singer!
3. The days/weeks thing was not Dean's mix up, it was Frank's. I think that was just supposed to be an indicator of how out there Frank is. Weeks had passed, Dean was right about that. Yes, the beginning of the episode with "Week One", "Week Two" was awkward but I think it was genuinetly meant to demonstrate the passage of time.
And finally, as for the last scene, while I agree that it was unnecessary, I do understand the point of it and I think that Jensen did as well with it as he could under the circumstances so I can't fault him. But the entire episode was poorly handled, imo.
Ok, let me preface this by saying that I agree that Sam has been greviously underused all season. That being said...
1. Dean was not hallucinating...the beer was drained and not by him. The point of that whole thing was not to say "poor Dean" but to open the idea that something else might be going on. This is still Supernatural, remember, freaky shit happens all the time. Which brings me to...
2. There didn't have to be a temperature change in order for a spirit to be present. Again, this SPN and anything is possible. Besides, Bobby didn't exactly play by the rules in life, why should he start doing it as a spirit? If anyone can fine a way to bend the spirit "rules", it's Bobby Singer!
3. The days/weeks thing was Frank's problem, not Dean's. Weeks HAD passed...I think that exchange was meant to point out how loopy Frank is. As awkward as the beginning of the episode was with the weeks passing, I do think it was genuinely meant to show the passage of time. Again, Dean's not losing it...well not to THAT point anyway.
And finally, as for the last scene...while I don't think it was totally necessary I do understand the reasoning behind it and I think Jensen did as well with it as coud be expected, so I wouldn't put that on his head. The whole episode was poorly handled by the writers.
I agree with everything you've said both here & in your original post. There. I said it. No, no need to throw yourself at my feet in gratitude. :P
I thought the portrayal of the boys' grief over Bobby was really well done - the initial scenes (week 1, week 2...) captured their devastation better than endless dialogue and touchy feely self help yoga crap could have. I also thought having Sam going by himself on a hunt showed how out of the game he was - under 'normal' circumstances (when things are good between them - as they currently are) they know better than that. I also thought the ease with which the vetalas caught him showed he wasn't in the frame of mind to be hunting.
To make a long story short: True to form when the Winchesters are grieving, Sam becomes quiet and sad, Dean gets mad. Forget 'The Rise of Dick', Dick Roman is going DOWN.
Ok, let me preface this by saying that yes, we all agree that Sam has been greviously underused this season. That being said...
First off...Dean is NOT hallucinating. The beer disappeared and he did not drink it. This is still Supernatural, remember, there's no reason not to believe that something else was at play. Freaky shit happens. Which leads me to...
There did not need to be a change in air temp for a spirit to be around. Again, this is SPN, anything is possible. And Bobby never exactly played by the rules when he was alive, why should he start now that he's a spirit. If anyone can find a way to bend the spriit "rules" it's Bobby Singer!
And the days/weeks thing...that was Frank's problem, not Dean's. Weeks DID pass...as awkward as the beginning of the episode was, I think it was genuinely meant to show the passage of time. I think that whole exchange was meant to point out how loopy Frank is, not show Dean having some major breakdown.
And the end scene...while I thought it was totally unnecessary, I do understand the ultimate point of it and I think Jensen handled it as well as could be expected, so I wouldn't blame him for that one.
Alright, alright. You don't have to be rude. I started watching last season (and then only intermittently because its a timeslot rival of my favorite program, Fringe), and I missed a bunch of older episodes. Bobby was a pretty good character, but Death's Door just wasn't all that interesting to me. But, since there's a boatload of backstory that I apparently missed; I will go back through the earlier seasons and then give Death's Door another try.
Didn't intend to be rude. Since you haven't seen the earlier seasons, I can understand why you wouldn't get the importance of Bobby. I definitely recommend that you catch up on the backstory...anyone coming into SPN for the first time this late in the going is definitely not going to get what the whole show is about, since the last two seasons have been noticably weaker than the previous ones.
I hear you, but having a burial/burning, etc. is what I meant by the boys getting to say their farewell. Bobby said his in Death's Door but the boys never got to properly respond.
I'm glad you could get something positive out of this episode. I certainly wouldn't say it's the worst ever, it just left me very frustrated and confused.
And nobody said the series wasn't still great. That's the whole reason that people do get so passioinate about the episodes that disappoint us, because we want so much more from and for our boys and when we don't get it it's upsetting. The creator/writers set a high bar in the early season and they are not living up to it last season and this season.
Heh heh heh. "I agree with everything you've said..." that had to hurt. :)
Glad I'm not the only one who thinks Sam's quietness and 'distance' is intentional due to the fact that he's pretty messed up and now having to deal with more crap heaped on top. There was no way he could help Dean, and Dean was not in any frame of mind to help Sam. Sam was easily caught, but yeah, like you said, he didn't really have his mind in the game. Normally, Sam wouldn't just rely on info in John's journal, he'd research the hell out of it and probably figure out there could be two vetalas, but still reeling from Bobby's fate, he simply needed to do something. I thought it was portrayed well.
As for Dean, his usual reaction is anger, but I think Frank's words and Krissy's (people die, Dean) gave him enough perspective to get his head back in the game. I'm with you, excited to see how it all plays out.
Uh no, it doesn't make sense...the show is about TWO brothers, you can't just write out one main characcter. I don't believe the rumors are true...no reason why Jared can't keep working just because his wife's having a baby, people do it every day. I'll be HIGHLY disappointed if any of the things you speculated above are true.
No, they aren't each other's alter-egos, but they are brothers. Nobody is expecting them to be joined at the hip, but it would be nice to seem them having SOME kind of connection. God, I've had closer conversations/connections to people I just know casually than they have in the last season and a half. Yes, they're growing up and obviously everything they've been through will change them as people but that doesn't mean they have to stop being brothers. The entire point of this series has been about the power of FAMILY...we'd just like some indication that that hasn't been totally forgotten. If it has, then as I said earlier, the show has lost its soul.
Interesting you should mention Ellen...that was my other thought about the beer, after the immediate thought it was Bobby. Remember, earlier this season when she communicated with Dean across the veil and said if he didn't get his head out of his ass she'd come back and kick his butt. Maybe emptying the beer was her way of telling him to quit drinking and do what he needs to do? :)
Why don't we have the right to express our disapproval/disappointment when an episode doesn't live up to our expectations. We care about the show, which makes us that much more upset when an episode falls short. I see nothing wrong with that. Why doe we have to be all rainbows and puppies even when an episode obviously falls short?
yep, I could definitely see that :) she and Bobby were basically his surrogate parents after he lost his own, and I have no doubt that they're both watching out for him, ready to kick his butt when he wanders a little too far off the reservation
I just re-watched it and was much better second time around with CC turned on. The boys had some good info given to them about life, dying and the job. Did not even mind the talk in the car, it fit.
They are delivering the baby in Seattle to be closer to the set. He can drop everything and run down there for a day or two to be with her, Then take her back with him. It shouldn't cause more than a half episode disturbance.
I still have to re-watch because I'm curious about all the strange things I thought I saw the first time. Dean's beer, him sleeping thru Sam's call, Frank's insistence they only gave him the numbers days ago instead of weeks. Just a lot of things that could be shrugged away on their own, but not all together.
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Way better than Death's Door.
ReplyDeleteI loved it! I can't believe Bobby's really gone. Love Frank. Krissy needs to come back!
ReplyDeleteAnd I loved the recap song and the end song! So good. Poor boys.
The missing time thing was weird.
Wow. That was an hour of my life I'm never getting back. Think I have a new worst of the series episode.
ReplyDeleteFair. Not much to get excited about. Here's to hoping that the Leviathan storyline jumps leaps and bounds now. I would have loved to see the heat turned up by the Leviathans after Bobby's death. Would have seemed logical.
ReplyDeleteI would tend to agree with you but I really like the Frank Devereaux character. Too much missed opportunity for the bad guys.
ReplyDeleteBeen a long time since a simple hunt, I don't mind to relax after a huge episode like the last one..but I'm just having a hard time seeing how the boys, in 3-4 weeks, never though the numbers could be coordinate, it was the first thought in almost everyone mind after Death's Door
ReplyDeleteReally? I was finding him annoying. I like the idea of Frank, but the execution is lacking something.
ReplyDeleteit was far from the best, but worst ever? Its sad they didn't do a big leviathan episode, a missed opportunity, but it was far from being as bad as Bug or Live free or twi-hard ...or family remains
ReplyDeleteI like annoying. I'm from Indiana.
ReplyDeleteI liked bugs and twi hard better. You may have a point with family remains though.
ReplyDeleteNot sure how to respond to that. :P
ReplyDeleteI loved Frank, he was entertaining. The girl's acting was a little...off, for me. I like the scene where Dean wants her to fist bump him, he just sounds so adorable and then he went and got all hardcore again by handcuffing her to the steering lol. :D
ReplyDeleteI actually thought the side view of the guy at the beginning was Misha...I miss him dearly.
I'm thinking they were going for a lighter episode and I was waiting for things to get interesting but it failed for me. I was rather bored most of the time. I'm sorry Spn but I really did not enjoy this episode. I'll still vote awesome though because, well I support SPN no matter what.
Well.. I'm sitting here trying to wrap my head around what I just watched.
ReplyDeleteBobby is dead... I refused to believe it but apparently he is. Puzzlement number one. A character that has been on the show for SIX seasons and that is how you say goodbye to him? Dean and Sam sitting in a cabin while we see 'Week One'... "Week Two".....
Puzzlement number two... Sera was all about the brothers this season. So far the brothers have been anything but. They are apart more than they are together and when they are together they sure as hell don't act like brothers.
Puzzlement number three... WTF is up with Dean's voice and these 'terminator' looks? I mean seriously, is that supposed to look and sound cool? And before all you Dean girls start screaming I will say the same about Sam. Well not the voice but the stupid, wimpy, whoa is me looks. And don't even get me started on the Elvis wanna be side burns.
Puzzlement number four... So are we to now accept Frank as the Bobby Singer replacement? I hope to hell not because he is NOT Bobby Singer.
Puzzlement number five... I still haven't decided if I liked it or not. It had some good scenes.. but at the same time it had some really annoying scenes. And to be totally honest, I am confused as hell at that ending. I have NO clue what Sera was trying to do or what the message was.
All in all I'd give it a 7 out of 10. I enjoyed it but if this was Jim Beaver's goodbye to Supernatural, they did not do it justice.
Oh and joy of joys, we get to see them APART next week, yet again. Memo to Sera, they are BROTHERS. The success of the show is that they are BROTHERS, working together, CARING about each other! Sigh.....
I really enjoyed the episode. It was low key, which I think after the big episode of losing Bobby it made sense. I for one didn't think the numbers were co-ordinates, so I guess not everyone thought that. I didn't have any idea of what they might be. Since the boys were going off the fact that they had only 5 numbers to work with, I am not surprised they didn't of co-ordinates either. Been a long time since anyone has given them co-ordinates. I liked Frank, he was funny and I liked the fact that he let Dean know that he wasn't alone in dealing with losing people he cared about. I also liked the little girl, though there were times I wasn't sure he should trust her. Oh and I think Bobby's ghost drank Dean's beer.
ReplyDeleteThat girl was really, reallllllly annoying. Oh yeah, she saved our lives...right after she got us into the mess!
ReplyDeleteOther than that, a solid episode. The brothers are gaining maturity and not the fake maturity earlier this season. I loved the theme of the episode. I also loved the use of classic rock!
''if this was Jim Beaver's goodbye to Supernatural, they did not do it justice. ''
ReplyDeletethe goodbye to Bobby, if it really was his final goodbye, was in the last episode, they did a whole episode as a tribute to him, they can't do that every single episode. And I don't see the problems with the boys being lost in the first week, hard to think and they're not the type to talk about their feeling
And for them being apar this one, I don't see what else they should've done; ignore the girl who sounded in danger? When's the last time they decided to just let people died without doing nothing?...Or let go of resolving the numbers' question that Bobby gave them before dying? Both things were important
Yeah, I also thought it was MIsha, but then told myself not the right ep. ;)
ReplyDelete:P I like your idea of Bobby drinking the beer, I thought about this, I don't think it was just Dean's mind doing tricks to him, especially after showing a big shot of the full beer first and then couple of lines about that
ReplyDeleteSo this is what we waited a month for?!
ReplyDeleteOk, let me just start out by saying how disappointed I am that Bobby actually died. I was so hoping he'd somehow pull through.
That being said, he did go out the right way, with a fitting farewell. Too bad the follow up to that farewell had to be so weak.
Nice premise, with the kid and her dad getting out of hunting and I actually liked the creatures...some classic Supernatural gore there.
Unfortunately, the good elements stop before we get to the Winchesters. I just do not understand what Sera Gamble and her crew are doing this season. It's like they've forgotten how to write either brother and really can't figure out how to write them together. Their scenes together are so weak and so lame, it's frustrating the crap out of me.
I figured both brothers would lose it if Bobby died but really? That's all they could manage...have Dean growl and Sam look moonie eyed? I'm sorry, but my 10 year old niece could write better than that!
And what the hell was that whole final conversation? Those used to be the powerhouse moments that kicked you in the gut in the last five minutes. This REALLY felt flat! So they're going to continue working...ok, I guess that's what Bobby would tell them to do, but it seemed kind of anti-climactic. And what was with the final shot of Dean with the weird look on his face?
I'm REALLY, REALLY getting sick of this! It's not bad enough they had to kill off Bobby, they have to continue deconstructing the guys too? I WANT MY BOYS BACK, DAMMIIT!
Oh and as for Frank...I thought it was supposed to be Sam and Dean, Butch and Sundance, with no-one else to count on. So now he's going to be the go to guy? Man, I hope not. He's funny but he's not that good.
I don't know what I was expecting, but it certainly wasn't this. Wasn't a totally bad episode, but it really disappointed me in some key ways...sigh.
You missed my point. The episode did not do Jim Beaver justice. As for them being apart, yeah I got it. Doesn't mean I had to like it. Every week Sera seems to come up with a reason to split them up. It's getting tiring.
ReplyDeleteTotally what we were all saying - you mean Dean needed Frank to suggest that they could be coordinates? Really? You would think the writer had never seen the earlier seasons of SPN! Come on - why are things so different this season? The brothers are split up in almost every episode until the very end and the next episode is the same story. What happened to them working together - that is what this show was all about! The brothers are losing people right and left and yet they keep splitting up? What happened to the whole "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid " concept I heard Sera talk about at the beginning of the season? I am ready whenever she is!!
ReplyDeleteI'm sad. That wasn't a terrible episode, but I just couldn't care about anything that was happening in it. Just whatever.
ReplyDeleteOk, I can't even reply to that...can't figure out how you could say it. To each his own.
ReplyDeleteWhen I tell people that don't know anything about SPN, I say it is about FAMILY..and I'm with you, they need to get back to it.
ReplyDeleteI am completely behind everything you said 100%!!! I so miss the brothers!!!
ReplyDeleteUm...we forgetting Time For A Wedding? This had its lame moments, but no way it overcomes that for worst ever.
ReplyDeleteDeath's Door was boring. All the focus on Bobby (an uninteresting character) was a waste of time. Not even the guy from X-Files could save it.
ReplyDeleteThey should have started with a funeral pyre, like they send off the other hunters.It would have been quick, final and fitting after Death's Door.
ReplyDeleteAnd there was a soon effect that Spn usually uses for ghosts.
ReplyDeleteIts not confirmed but rumour has it Jared wont appear in/will have a severely reduced role in the last 3-5 episodes of the season.
ReplyDeleteI'm glad someone else mentioned the sideburns.
ReplyDeleteSeriously, I nicknamed Sam's season 6 second-half persona as Empty Vessel Sam. at the time, I was thinking that the lack of spark might be because his memories were gone. I was hoping his drive would come back this season, but I'm barely seeing a trace of the personality he had in the earlier seasons.
As for Dean, I'm waiting for the episode in which they dress him in a leather jacket, strap a pair of water skies on him and make him jump over a tank of sharks.
I hate to say it but I agree
ReplyDeleteI said the same thing about Bobby's ghost and the beer! :D
ReplyDeleteI couldn't have said it better myself! I am finding it so hard to watch these episodes this season - I just keep hoping that they will bring back the brothers. Sadly it is not happening!! And they are killing off everyone else in addition! What is going on???? A question I have been asking since episode 3!
ReplyDeleteYeah, they're maturing but I really think Sera and the writers are doing them a disservice. It's like they've forgotten how to write either character...they're shells of themselves. It's frustrating the hell out of me.
ReplyDeleteI liked the idea of the girl's character and she and Dean had a couple of cute moments but in past seasons, they would've played that whole thing up so much better. Something is missing...it's like show has been robbed of its soul. Sigh.
I just put Great, not sure what I wanted different other than the brothers to be together. SPN is doing the same thing that Burn Notice did and splitting up what brought me to the show is not the way to keep me. The show is about FAMILY and it needs to get back to that. After Death's Door, this just seemed a big let down. I do like Frank, but he is NOT Bobby, didn't care for the kid at all. I LOVE this show, has been my favorite since it started and I don't want to put Great instead of AWESOME. Makes me sad. :(
ReplyDeleteTotally agree!!!
ReplyDeleteAgreed on Frank. The idea is a good one, although I was under the impression the whole point was to divest the guys of a go-to source. If not, then why kill off Bobby in the first place? The execution is definitely lacking...seems forced, but that's par for the course with the show this season, a lot of it is forced.
ReplyDeleteThe sideburns need to be hunted. And you are right Sam has NO personality. It's like Sera does not know how to do normal Sam anymore. And she had destroyed the brotherly bond between him and Dean. Dean doesn't even seem to care that Lucifer is in Sam's head.
ReplyDeleteI didn't hate Time For a Wedding. Didn't love it, but didn't hate it. At least Sam and Dean had personalities in that one.
ReplyDeleteUninteresting?! Ok, you obviously missed the entire point of Bobby. Again, I'm at a loss...can't adequately respond to that.
ReplyDeleteAmen...you and me both!
ReplyDeleteThey did that with John...would've been too similar. But they needed to do something. Bobby said his goodbye in his way but it's like the guys never got to say theirs.
ReplyDeleteI really think the writing gives little for either brother to work with. Sam doesn't even have a storyline right now since they completely and totally dropped the whole Hell thing. Dean is just angry all of the time, when they aren't using him for comic relief. They are both awesome actors who have done amazing stuff in the past - they need to improve the WRITING for BOTH BROTHERS!!
ReplyDeleteYep...they've totally lost any connection the brothers have had. And agreed on the Fonzie reference...it's getting ridiculous!
ReplyDeleteI agree with you completely! Where the hell have the brothers gone!? They aren't acting like themselves and they certainly aren't acting like brothers!
ReplyDeleteI've always watched the show for their relationship. That was why I started watching it and that's why I've kept watching it. Hell, that was the point of the entire thing! *Family.* Sam and Dean. *Brothers.* If that's gone, can this really even be called Supernatural?
I don't know. But I frickin' miss Sam and Dean being "Sam-and-Dean."
God, I hope that's not true! What the hell is going on with this show?!
ReplyDeleteI heard a rumor he was leaving the show and Cliff said it was 100% fake, maybe you're talking about something that came more or less from that same rumor
ReplyDeletehow can a main character not appear in the show or have reduced scenes. What is happening? Unless it's because his child is being born or some other family matter, I will be severely upset.
ReplyDeleteSomeone needs to remind Sera!
ReplyDeleteI dont know if it is true or not but it makes sense, they're only filming episode 14 and the baby is due in March, unless they get a move on or pre-shoot Jared's scenes they wont be done filming the season in time. If the baby is born early they're screwed. hence writing Sam light episodes. I would imagine anything beyond episode 17/18 will have very little-no Sam just to be on the safe side.
ReplyDeleteI agree, they needed something, it left a big hole for me. What did they do with him? He needed a send off and closure, is he really dead? Would the writers have done it this way for Bobby, a main character for all these years?
ReplyDeleteYou and me both! Sera get your head out of your butt and give us back Sam and Dean!
ReplyDeleteI don't mind the boys splitting up one episode or two once in a while, its not like its been that every single seconds of the season. Ok we had 3 (Girl next door/Time for a wedding/this one) so far and one next week. Ok this starting to get 1 or 2 too much for a single season, but bedside that they've been together. We had half a season last year without Sam, this season is way up from last year, people should be happy with that. At least the majority of episodes were they're appart is not cause they're fighting or angry or anything.
ReplyDeleteSure there was the whole Amy thing that put, to say the very least, some 'tension', I give you that. It was drag too long, but I'm happy that the episode after the secret was out they were working together and it wasn't another Free to be you and me
I'm hoping with you they'll be together more and let's hope they'll work together all the way 'til the end of season, except for next week, but it could've a been a lot worse...and it a long way from last season
I find that hard to believe. I don't believe in rumors.
ReplyDeletea reduced role or not appearing in a few eps isnt leaving the show therefore Cliff would be right on that one
ReplyDeleteIf you say so...could've fooled me. They haven't had personalities since season 5. :p
ReplyDeleteYES, YES, YES!!! Couldn't agree more!
ReplyDeleteBobby! = (
ReplyDeleteThe sooner the better!! WE WANT OUR BOYS BACK!!!
ReplyDeleteI'm not blaming the actors. We know what they can do from previous seasons.
ReplyDeletePeople have babies all the time. He's only a few hours from LA. If he was filming when she delivers he'd miss a few days at most. He's a professional and I'm pretty sure he is not going to miss any episodes. It's a rumor, nothing more.
ReplyDeleteThat will be about the time he will be a new Dad, and I would be happy to have him take time off, after all the show used to be about FAMILY. Notice I said USED TO BE.
ReplyDeleteIt's just a rumor, based on little or no fact. He has all summer to spend with his child. I seriously doubt he's asking to be written out of ANY episodes.
ReplyDeleteI really enjoyed this episode. Deveraux was great and useful and entertaining...Dean and Sam aren't at odds anymore...and Dean's acting professional and seems to have at least somewhat reacquired a sense of purpose. They're obviously keeping Bobby out of the picture for a long time, so we'll either never see him again, we'll see his ghost, confirming he's gone, or he'll be alive and it'll be a big surprise.
ReplyDeleteHowever, that beer emptying out of Dean's hand points to someone sending Dean a message, and that's likely Mr. Singer from the other side.
Then what is "the entire point of Bobby"?
ReplyDelete:( I agree with you there, i'm still waiting to see more Hell things, especially since they showed Lucifer again in the ''Previously on'', I had some hope at the beginning of the episode.
ReplyDeleteI hope we'll have more than just that one scene in 7x09 where Sam mentionned Lucifer to Bobby a little.
On that I can agree, I'm wondering what they've done...they burned him? Buried him like they did with Dean after S3?
ReplyDeleteWhat about bobby? He went with the Reaper? Became a ghost?
But with beer thing, I think it was Bobby, so i'm guessing he's a ghost and was buried, but I would've prefer some clear answers from the boys
I'm thinking Dean's look at the end was him trying to do what Frank told him to, smile and keep going without meaning it
ReplyDeleteI thought Frank's reason to be there was mainly to relay to Dean the fact that even through it all if he wants to achieve his revenge or not to fail or to let Bobby have died in vain, he needs to stop drowning in the things that are happening to him and "be professional." This would allow him to at least meet his objective in taking down the Roman empire (lol) and maybe avenge Bobby's death...
ReplyDeleteAlthough you are right...I hope that Frank isn't just going to be a replacement for Bobby because that would be an insult. I wouldn't mind him popping in and out for this season since they've pulled him in earlier in the story with the leviathans, but after his involvement in the leviathan case I think they should go their separate ways and he can pop up in a season or two.
Well, we're all going to have our own views over the episode of course. I'm sorry you're loathing this season.
ReplyDeleteLOL I agree about Dean's looks and his Christian-Bale-Batman-Throat-ripping voice action. My throat hurts watching him talk lately... And Sammy's hair just keeps growing... It's like a chia pet moose or something...
ReplyDeleteit was aight
ReplyDeleteOkay, I'm confessing! I'm one of the ones to give that episode a poor vote.
ReplyDeleteFirst, the episode killed Bobby or looked like it killed Bobby.
Second, the brothers were apart. And that end conversation was bad. It really really just flopped. And no offense to Jensen, but what was that? I mean, if that was suppose to be a sympathetic fake it shot, I think I rather have the god-awful montage like in "Mannequin 3," than watching an actor try to do something was absolutely nothing and pure awfulness. Jensen is a good actor, but guess what actors kind of need something to act! I don't know, but the end conversations in the car are so lame now. And it's like the brothers aren't together or brothers anymore. Maybe it's the total lack of hope or storyline, so now when it comes time for the brothers to talk there isn't anything but anticlimactic half-hearted nothingness.
Third, I wasn't impress with the girl actress. I don't think she was horrible. But she was annoying and really stiff at moments. She didn't help the episode and considering she was in the episode more than Sam, the show needed to choose an actress who could help carry the scenes and she didn't. We had younger actors who could really carry their moments in the episode, but she just didn't cut it especially during the hostage scene.
Fourth, Sam. Jared was wonderful at showing Sam's worry over Dean and his totally loss over Bobby. He showed Sam's grieve and brought it to the surface. Sam wanted to make sure someone's Dad got home was excellent. But that was it. Jared was completely on his own, which is why parts of it were so amazing. Jensen on the other hand, did wonderful with Frank and showing Dean's emotional state. But with the kid? I found some scene kind of strange to want. I didn't like them. I was hoping for some of Sam's grief to be explored too, but that's like asking for rain in a desert in the middle of a heat wave. Just isn't going to happen. And then the next two episodes are going to be more Dean-centric (the 1940s and the cult). (I'm preparing for another "The End" like episode. Sam in the beginning for a minute and then in the ending for five minutes and based on the promo, I'm probably safe with that assumption.)
But my biggest problem with the episode that made me vote "poor" is this: Dean was having hallucinations. Normally, I can keep my Sam-girl very much in line and tell myself it doesn't mean anything, but this hurts. Sam's hallucinations are just dropped and we're giving this Sam's fine and we should worry about Dean because he has it worst (Sam's speech to Bobby about people having it worst was code for Dean). And now, Dean's having hallucinations. He is having problems with time. That could be a set up for next week's episode or maybe it's something else. But for now, it looks like Dean's the one we need to be worried about. Because guess what his hallucinations inferred with his hunting ability! Dean froze up! That never happens. Sam's hallucination are only reminded through the recaps at the beginning of the episode and now this! What am I suppose to think? It's only happening to Dean. Sam's fine. It's like Sam is no longer a lead in the show anymore. He has no storyline. The guest stars in this episode had more insight and interaction with Dean. Sam didn't bond with anymore, but he makes great wallpaper. But hallucinations? Dean? Really? I really hope it's just for next week's episode. Please just be for the next episode. I'll come to understand the complete lack of insight to Sam, but I don't think I could handle Dean having it worst means he is having hallucination that we get to explore and see.
No, screw the "entire point of Bobby". To think Bobby was an uninteresting character missed the entire point of Supernatural in itself. Bobby was the father figure for Sam and Dean for years, even when John was still alive as shown in the "Death's Door" and "A Very Supernatural Christmas" flashbacks. I have no idea what you are smoking RobertAriadne,but it must be terrible.
ReplyDeleteWhat do you mean about Dean's hallucinating? Did I miss something?
ReplyDeleteFor the face at the end, I think being fake was the point, I think Dean was trying to 'smile' like he was told to do earlier in the episode, having if he doesn't mean it
That makes sense. But the writers have known about Jared's situation for a while now. This episode was filmed after everyone knew about it and the due date. They needed to focus on Sam's story if not in the beginning part of the season where it made sense because his wall had just broken, then at least during the middle part. They needed to make these episodes more Sam-heavy, not Dean. Then let the end of the season be more about Dean, but nope. You can't reduce Sam's role anymore. Well, I guess you can. You can take the wallpaper down, so yeah, I guess we're going to be getting a lot more "In the Beginning" like episodes.
ReplyDeleteI need to rewatch because I was so distracted by my epic tears of sorrow for Bobby that I couldn't pay very good attention to the first half of the episode. I really do not know what more these boys can suffer through and still be okay. I have real worries for them. I have hopes too; and curiosity. Dean's mysteriously drained beer was not lost on me...I can't wait to see what that is foreshadowing.
ReplyDeleteVery good episode, even if it cemented Bobby's demise (permanent or not...). Bobby, from the start, was an instant favorite for me.
A good, solid episode.
ReplyDeleteFrank is so unlikeable! He cracks me up. I think we are supposed to feel the same exasperation as Dean feels toward him, and it's working. He'll never be a replacement for Bobby and I don't think he's meant to be, but they do need someone on their side.I like that Krissy and her dad got a second chance - thanks to the Winchesters. Score one for the good guys.And I KNEW those weren't vamps! I love being right :P
I thought it was really really boring too.
ReplyDeleteIt doesn't matter who Bobby is. I love him but the episode was boring. It's not Bobby's fault, it's the writers fault that they just can't write SPN episodes anymore.
ReplyDeleteI'm honestly just watching SPN because I want to see Cas on the 17th episode. If he dies again then I will definitely stop watching. There's nothing interesting in that show anymore. It's time to stop with the new seasons that are filled with absolutely nothing.
ReplyDeleteI feel so underwhelmed
ReplyDeleteIt was probably Bobby telling him not drink so much
ReplyDeleteYeah, the beer. Then there was the question of the four weeks. Then Dean hesitated before Sam killed the creature. Dean doesn't hesitated. Sam only hesitated in the second season, but he hasn't since (not on hunts of the week like this one). Sam didn't even show signs of slowing down when his wall fell. So, something is up with Dean. It could be a set up for next week's episode, but then it could be something else. I read the theories on Bobby, but then it wouldn't the room of gotten cold? Normally on the show, when there is a spirit they do that breath thing to show the room is getting colder. That's why I don't agree with the idea that it's Bobby.
ReplyDelete(I'm not saying that Bobby couldn't return as a ghost, but I don't think it was him. And ghosts don't drink. Then again, Bobby probably would find a way, haha!) I'm hoping it was just foreshadowing next week and not something else, but I'm really bugged at Dean's the one having a mind trip and Sam's hallucinations were only featured in the recap.
I understand what Dean was trying to do. He was trying to "fake it," but I just felt so bad for Jensen. He is a brilliant actor, but you can't really act "fake" smiling to nothing. It's just was so forced into the episode. I get that Dean's suffering and now he is going to just try to get to the end of the week, so why write a scene focusing on Dean smiling at nothing. There was nothing to it and it should have been cut. Jensen does just fine without having to have scenes in which we see Dean practicing faking it. (And it just rubs salt into my paper-cut that was treated with lemon juice over Sam. We get to see Dean practice faking it!! Seriously!! Practice!! And Sam simply states once again like with John that he is not fine and then exits the episodes.)
Did anyone else feel like the beginning was a Twilight parody (after Edward leaves in New Moon)?
ReplyDeleteIt was a really enjoyable episode. But my sadness for Bobby unfathomable.
ReplyDeleteKrissy was such a good character, she had so much sass. I would love to see her again!
I haven't thought of the cold...but sometime in the show its doesn't happen, its weird now that I think about it (like when Dean's spirit was out of his body in the S2 premiere).
ReplyDeleteFor the week v.s day, i'm thinking its more Frank who's wrong, Bobby did say he's a lunitic and all^^; and I'm thinking they called Frank soon, but I could be wrong
That's a good point about the show didn't use it for Dean's out of body experience. But I'm really unsure about it being Bobby. I'm leaning towards a set up of next week since everything had to deal with time.
ReplyDeleteAs for Frank, I don't know about that guy. A part of me thinks, he's the loopy one, but then again the brothers just sat there for a few weeks and looked like they did nothing. Then they kicked the looking for the Leviathans into high gear. So, that makes me doubt Dean. I don't think that wall of Leviathans was set up during the beginning three weeks, but I could have missed it. And the brothers seemed like they didn't want to call anyone. They didn't want to notify anyone weeks after. So, how bad were they right after?
It could go either way. I'm not sure, but I'm worried. Or paranoid? I'm probably both.
Though I saw it coming, and though I'd made my peace with it, I still can't believe Bobby's gone. These poor boys have lost everyone close to them, and it's hard to imagine them getting past the death of a second father anytime soon. That being said, though, I don't think he'll stay gone. I'm not saying there'll be a resurrection, but I can see him making his way back to them in some shape or form somewhere down the line.
ReplyDeleteThe writers really took this "back to basics" thing seriously - we really are down to just the two brothers again - but there's such a distance between them. I hate all the angst, and I wish they'd fix it. I know it's a bit much to ask/hope for after the dark turn the series has taken, as well as all of the horrible stuff the guys have been through, but Sam and Dean seem more like acquaintances than anything at this point.. and I hate it.
Also, someone really needs to fix Sam's hair.. I mean seriously.. the sideburns are out of control.
I've read through a lot of the comments here that adventures in Babysitting was lacking, but I feel this was actually a good way to come back after the hiatus. Bobby's death left the boys in a sort of limbo, neither knowing what to do and both trying to simply keep themselves from going under. I think the episode did exactly what it was supposed to and conveyed that feeling through to the audience. I was still reeling from Bobby's death and it was good to see both the boys struggling without the full out angst some people expected. Dean wanting to fall back into uber-hunter mode and Sam wanting to find a job to keep from thinking were in character. Altho they weren't together, they were in contact even tho they each did what they felt they had to do. Sam knew he couldn't help Dean deal with this and he knew Dean was in no condition to help him.
ReplyDeleteThe fact that Bobby was a number short (understandable giving there was a bullet in his noggin) was plausible in why they couldn't find a meaning for his last message. They don't have the computer power, algorithms or research background to come up with the answer -- Frank Deveraux did. He was an obvious choice to turn to. I like Frank. He's a bit nuts, but he does see what's going on even tho it may be through conspiracy-colored glasses. Dean needed that outside perspective to get his head around losing Bobby. Everyone he's ever relied on is gone. Remember he took care of Sam his whole life, everyone he turned to for answers is now gone. He needed that perspective to get himself into a frame of mind where he could see that he couldn't make the same mistake John did. Revenge isn't what the job is about.
That was paralleled nicely with Krissy and her dad. The boys could see the road she was headed down. Dean has made comments about how Jo and Sam were kids. Hunters were never kids -- he never was -- and he saw Krissy as a kid. It would be a shame to make her endure the kind of life they did. I'm glad her dad listened. Maybe she will get to go to college. It's a nice thought and one the boys deserve to hold onto. Maybe, just maybe, someone could make it out for good.
That also helped with Dean's perspective. The thought that they could save Krissy and her dad and give them a chance made it a little easier for him to let go of his grief and remember why they did the job in the first place. His glassy eyed smile at the end almost made me cry. The man has incredible eyes. :)
I'm really looking forward to next week. Elliot Ness and Dean with a Tommy gun should be entertaining. And I'm very curious as to who's the 'old friend' Sam runs into.
One final thought: what really happened to Dean's beer? They made it obvious, so it has to be a first step into something more significant. I'm looking forward to watching that mystery unfold and will be paying close attention.
Yeah, I think anything was going to be underwhelming after Death's Door - it was such an intense episode, and they left us at the top of an emotional roller coaster. I know I built the return up so much in my mind, and I don't know what could have lived up to my expectations. Stupid hiatus.
ReplyDeleteAs much as I would love it, I don't think he'll be back for good :( I suppose everything's up in the air at this point, with uncertain prospects for season 8, but I thought they were pretty clear about Misha only being back for 2 or 3 episodes. I'm not sure how much impact fans actually have on this show, but maybe if his return is received really well, they'll keep him around a bit longer.
ReplyDeleteAll of that being said, I have really high hopes for his return as well - this season has become so so sad, and while I'm still enjoying it, I hope it takes a turn for the better sometime soon. You'd think after experiencing Hell, these poor boys would catch a break.
You think someone is trying to send Dean a supernatural AA message from beyond the veil? :)
ReplyDeleteAll I can picture is Dean in Bad Day at Black Rock saying "I'm Batman!" Little did he know, he'd really would make the transition over the next few years..
ReplyDeleteAlso, it physically pains me to think that someone out there still thinks that Sam's hair is a good idea. Those sideburns are the real monsters.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING!
ReplyDeleteExcellent comment, I agree wholeheartedly.
ReplyDeleteI didn't consider it until you mentioned it, but I can totally see that now haha
ReplyDeleteWe know Bobby died, but did he go with the Reaper? His ghost could be there stealing Dean's beer. :) Maybe it's his way of trying to get him back on track. Maybe that's Dean's big secret? He sees dead Bobbys. :)
ReplyDeleteThank you, I agree. Dean got all the bonding & life-evaluating with Krissy and Frank and Sam got captured too easily. Sam got a hero moments when he took the bite meant for Lee and killed the second baddie. Then, yet again, Sam was "away" while Krissy had more goodbye moments and thanks for Dean. It's a toss-up for me which episode was weaker for a Sam Fan - AIB or TM.
ReplyDeleteI'm actually relieved it didn't continue the epic sadness of Death's Door and that this was a sort of brindge over to what's to come, a pause so to speak. It was entertaining in a non-complicated way.
ReplyDeleteAnd I thought the scenes with Frank and Dean with the girl were great. I was especially impressed by the badass girl, behaving like mini-Dean. Very charmed by it.
Like others, there were alot of questions about the beer, and the 2 time lapses. I can't help but speculate it's Bobby communicating, too. This season has been poor at continuity and implied meanings, but I hope this is a sign that there is more than meets the eye here.
:) Thansk for putting in words many of my thoughts for the episode.
ReplyDeleteThere's good and bad part having a passionate fan base, the bad part being when you have one good/great episode, its great for the day its airing, but when you have one episode that is bad (or just 'normal'/average, the fans dragg the whole serie down like the bad one never existed. SPN need stellar episodes week after week for some people and if an episode is not incredible, its ''awful'' while the same quality for any others serie would be ''great''. No serie can have 100% of their eps. being incredible
There's some things that could need fixing, like we need more Sam's POV about Hell, but overall the serie is still great
I thought the girl was hilarious, like a female Dean. I love scenes of Dean with children (well except ep 3 that is)
ReplyDeleteI agree with what you said, but the problem I see is that Dean is the only brother to receive these pep talks or tough love talks from various recurring as well as guest characters. Never Sam. It gets tiresome.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you guys or gals... I was like "Duh", of course they are the first five digits of coordinates. The boys could have and should have figured that out themselves.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you on the Lucifer scene in the "Then". I was hoping to see more Sam coping with his cage memories along with grieving for Bobby but we got nothing.
ReplyDeleteDon't even know why I bothered to hope that Sam would have anything at all interesting to do or say in this ep. Once again his POV is shoved to the background and he's conveniently tied up somewhere "out of the way" so Dean can have all the focus. Seriously, the whole plot with Sams hunt seemed like nothing more than a means of getting him out of the way so that the rest of the ep could be all about Dean, how Dean's dealing/feeling, etc. They showed about 70% of Sam's scenes in the promos for this ep - we got NOTHING new or interesting that we didn't already know was going to happen with him. He didn't even get to save himself - he just sat around tied up until Dean showed up to rescue him. And again, the civilian character thanks DEAN for saving her and Sam just wanders into the background (like in The Mentalists). Sorry, but wasn't SAM the one who took the initiative to show up and help her in the first place? Did SAM not actually stab the monster while Dean stood there frozen? Would a "thanks, Sam!" have been too much to ask? Apparently. he doesn't even get a wave goodbye, but Dean gets a bonding moment and a heartfelt thanks.
ReplyDeleteAnd judging by the promo for next week, which shows Sam for about 0.5 seconds total, he won't have squat to do in that ep either. Because Dean gets ANOTHER time travel ep. When the hell do we get to see SAM go back or forward in time on his own? Seriously, they should just rename Supernatural 'The Dean Winchester Show' and be done with it. Do the writers remember that this is supposed to be a show about TWO brothers? I still watch because I love the show and both brothers, but I'm getting REALLY fed up with the way Sam's POV is ALWAYS neglected. Just ONCE I'd like to see events from his POV, know what he feels or thinks about what's happening, etc. I end up feeling frustrated and angry while I watch now, because of how consistently neglected Sam's POV/character are.
Where's the promised Sam story arc that was supposed to be happening the second half of the season? We've got a clearly Dean-centric ep next week, plus the three eps with Misha that will no doubt be focused on Cas/Levi-Cas and Dean's angst over the Cas situation (since DEAN gets the deep bond with an angel, and Sam gets squat except his brain scrambled), and then we've got to assume that several eps at the end of the season will be devoted to the major story arc and the leviathans. So where's the room for Sam? This is getting really old. I never used to miss an ep - EVER. But I'll probably be skipping next week's because it'll just make me frustrated and pissed off - when the spoilers for that ep started showing up and they said that "one brother" would go back in time, I thought "FINALLY! Sam will get a time travel ep - they HAVE to give him one, since Dean's had solo time travel eps multiple times already and Sam has had none.
LOL - I should have known better. :(
Yeah, we didn't have the real Sam for half of season six, but honestly even with the real Sam in this season we still aren't getting ANY POV from him (except the first two eps - just enough to make me hope before they snatched it away again!). Every time they're split up, it's basically an excuse to get Sam out of the way so that Dean can have all the plot/POV. Like tonight. They literally just tied him up out of the way so that Dean could have a whole ep of emotional exploration and growth. He wanders off into the background so that the little girl can thank Dean and have a moment with him (completely forgetting about Sam, who was the one who wanted to help her in the first place). Then he gets one tiny scene of "I'm not okay" before he goes to sleep so that we can focus on DEAN again. Honestly it's like the writers think he's just a third wheel and they're trying to sideline him as much as possible. It's getting SO old. :(
ReplyDeleteI really didn't like this episode and then it all came together. The episode was written by Adam Glass. That says it all right there.
ReplyDeleteI liked this episode--except for the end, where the girl says she's retiring. "One and done." UGH. Hunters don't retire. Sam tried for a while, attending college, and Dean tried for a while, doing the domestic scene with Lisa and Ben. Neither were able to stay away because hunters hunt. The girl's got talent, and whatever future there may be in hunting should be hers.
ReplyDeleteI like that the brothers are changing. Come on, people, Sam and Dean aren't little twenty-something teenybopper types anymore! Dean comes off in this episode like a grown man, dealing with situations and the girl like the adult he's supposed to be at this point. Nice.
I enjoyed it a lot. I gave it a good rather than awesome because I wanted to see the boys helping each other through their grief rather than splitting up again. But it was a good ep.
ReplyDeleteBTW I refuse to believe Bobby is gone. We didn't see a body or a funeral. I'm still (unrealistically) hoping they have him stashed somewhere in a coma.
The missing time, the knuckle punches, the suddenly empty beer, the frozen can't move and kill the MOTHW, there is something off with Dean. What if he is caring Bobby's soul or something like that?
ReplyDeleteHere's my first question... Fifteen thousand dollars?!?!?! Where did Dean find fifteen thousand dollars?
ReplyDeleteFeels kind of right that Bobby's dead. Though I knew he was...I found myself really happy that they didn't wimp out (I was worried after the ridiculous cliff hanger tinge to the end of Death's Door.)
Here's my second question... Why's the beer gone? That is NOT as simple as Dean not paying attention. My first though watching that scene....'Was that Bobby?'
I really like Frank. He's a hoot and way smarter than he looks. Loved Dean making him cut his arm too.
I really like this little girl. :-D Right up until the stupid nincompoop dashed into the middle of things. I hope she has a plan cause if not...oh good. Plan
The final scene was nice and simple and Dean trying to take Frank's advice.
I liked the ep.
No, it had nothing to do with Death's Door emotional roller coaster, I knew Bobby was dead even before that sneak peek, I've had a week or so to deal with that little nugget, I am consoled with the fact that Jim will be reuniting with Timmy O, over on Justified, this episode seemed so disjointed and I just couldn't connect, the writing was trite and I suspose I am tired of the brothers splitting up, even if they did get back together by the end of the episode, we needed a better update about the leviathans, I needed something more, I never want to see Frank, Ever again, they could have substituted in Crowley (I think that would have been way better). I felt the same way about TVD and TSC too. Only Nikita truly came back with a bang. I hate kids on SPN (unless it's flashbacks to lil Sammy and Dean). I am not a Sammy or Dean girl, I am straight Team Winchester (okay maybe a lean towards Sammy a little more if we're being honest) but I feel like Sammy has all but disappeared. I think I could count his lines on both my hands with a few fingers to spare (a slight exaggeration, maybe but not by much). I love Dean (what girl wouldn't) but he has been hogging the screen time since forever. Sammy has turned into Nate from Gossip Girl (or maybe it's the other way around), always a plot device and never a full fledged, fully formed character. But my favorite part of the whole episode was when Dean smiled to himself, signaling he was taking Frank's advice to heart. I do have a slight migraine from the anvil being dropped on my head when Dean's drink disappeared. I am pretty sure that was Bobby (But as much as I love Bobby, I want him to STAY dead, I don't want to see him as a ghost, THIS loss needs to reverberate throughout the rest of the show's run). Dean still has some issues we need to address. The writers might have forgotten but I haven't. I am also not excited for the next episode. I have a strange feeling that there is an episode coming up that will again divide the fandom (we're about due for one) and this might be it. I have never cared for alt verse stories or the time travel ones.
ReplyDeleteI think it was great! Just wish Dean&Sam get to spend more time together. That's when they're stronger!
ReplyDeleteI still think Krissy should have stay in the car, cause all was going well before she came, and then she made things complicated and had to help herself. But I understand it's impossible to just wait in this kind of situation.
As for Frank, he's no Bobby, certainly too paranoid, but he's ok. We'll see.
Poor boys. They're not good, but they have to keep going. I really think they need some success and hope that things could be better. Hope that time really heals wounds, at least a bit. SO good luck, guys;) And maybe the smile won't be a fake one day.
It was great but not as good as Death's Door.
ReplyDeleteI loved tonight's episode. It gave some time to get over the immediate shock. You could tell how the healing process did or did not go. Dean sleeping that length of time told volumes. The saddest part of the episode was in the car at the end. Sam trying to have a conversation, being honest. Dean, at first, saying he was okay, then saying I need to work. He spoke of revenge. Then the Sam going to sleep, the music playing, and Dean with that horrible smile that he was trying so hard to make natural.....remembering what he was told about living one week at a time and smiling. The poignant look on Sam's face and Dean's strange smile broke my heart. Incredible acting from both of them.
ReplyDeleteQuestion: Did anyone else think that maybe Dean did not forget he had drunk a bottle of beer? Maybe Bobby is around some how? Maybe Bobby drank it and tossed it? It crossed my mind. I hope Dean hasn't reached that point.
There is no way on earth that Bobby is an uninteresting character. He is the saving point for the emotional and mental sanity of Sam and Dean. He's Daddy. John was the father. No way did either of the boys mourn John like they did Bobby. He deserved the ending he got. Each his own, but Bobby Singer is an essential part of Supernatural.
ReplyDeletein one of the last scenes the girl says sth like":you kno, you're pretty cool for an old man..". Bobby is that you?? :)
ReplyDeleteThere it is, I have been trying to put my finger on it, they are going through the motions but the show has lost it its soul,
ReplyDeleteThe episode gave us some valuable canon. I have been saying all along that John Winchester was not a Dad to those boys. This episode proved it. It also proved that the boys loved him deeply. I think that the episode also pulled them together. They can work apart but still need each other. That is more natural. I liked all of it and cried my heart out over it.
ReplyDeleteI do believe it was Bobby who took that beer. I really do. He had told the reaper he wasn't going. We don't know the final decision.
ReplyDeleteIt wasn't a bad episode. It had some interesting things that were needed. Frank said things that can help Dean heal. It won't be easy. Dean has lost so much. He takes things so hard. Sam was good tonight His comments that led to his being bitten instead of Krissy's Dad was incredibly brave and totally Sam. I liked the episode.
ReplyDeletelol I'm from Texas. We can tolerate it depending on the cause of it.
ReplyDeleteI agree. I also thought his idea of going from week to week and smiling was interesting. Dean's trying it at the end was sad. It looked so strange.
ReplyDeleteI don't think it was that bad. There are others besides Bugs that I can barely tolerate. Last season had its shared. Other then Defending Your Life, I didn't have that problems with this one but there were a few that I couldn't figure out.
ReplyDeleteMy main one is that Dean Winchester would have let hunters know that the creatures traveled in pairs. He probably would not have said anything to John. That's due to the way John raised him, but Sam, Bobby, and others would have known. That is not Dean Winchester. Poor writing on that. Don't the writers know the boys at all?
ReplyDeleteI can't help but wonder if Bobby will come back in Jimmy's body when Mischa shows back up.
ReplyDeleteI kinda hope it was a sign, from Bobby or not, that maybe it will be best if Dean stopped drinking this much, cause I'm pretty sure it only makes him feel worse.
ReplyDeleteThat's interesting theory, but I'm pretty sure that Jimmy's body is in far worse shape than Bobby's (or same as in both gone) plus I can't really imagine how would that work.
ReplyDeleteI liked
ReplyDeleteDeath's Door, and I don't think Bobby's a waste of time. But you can think whatever you want. I liked this episode too, in spite the fact that Bobby's death is a fact.
I liked the end song too.
ReplyDeleteI want Bobby back :(
ReplyDeleteI'm trying to think that they left Bobby's decision to leave out of Death's Door, so to leave it on a "cliffhanger" for the hiatus. I think that this show has a "if you didn't see it on the screen, then it didn't happen", since they teased bringing Cas back before the end of the season. So they may cop out and have Bobby's ghost around haunting the brothers. I think Death's Door was a brilliant farewell tho, and wouldn't want them bringing Bobby back.
ReplyDeleteIn saying that, the thing with the Dean's beer and the weeks/days things with Frank. It's just due to them obsessing over the numbers and wanting revenge. I don't think it's anything more, but I would be pleasantly surprised if it was something more.
My issue wasn't just the total Dean focus. Honestly, that was expected. Although I will say that the way they didn't write some bonding moments between the girl and both Sam and Dean bothered me. When she just thanked Dean at the end, that felt weird. I'm used to romantic interests zeroing in on whoever they're drawn to for the final goodbye, but that girl was a little too young to be a romantic interest for Dean.
ReplyDeleteBut mostly I just felt the writing was very flat and I they had no personalities. About 20 minutes into the episode I was thinking that those two people could be anyone. There was no trace of their personalities or history in the conversation. I didn't like that Sam got taken down so quickly. I thought season 2 Sam might have had a trick up his sleeve and wouldn't have walked into a trap like that so quickly. Remember how smart Sam was in Hunted, when two trip wires didn't take him down? I also had no clue what was going on with weird look on Dean's face at the end. I said in recent post that I don't think the motivations of the lead characters should be the big mystery on the show, and this is another example. Luckily I think Fringe is back next week. I don't think I can stomach another solo Dean time travel episode right now.
Was anyone complaining that they were acting responsibly?
ReplyDeleteI don't usually like to make comments like this about someone I don't know, but they really need to fire him. These occasional episodes of his are bringing down the reputation of the whole show.
ReplyDeleteIt was Ghost!Bobby, yes!
ReplyDeleteyou can always don't watch the show... or go to watch glee or project runway
ReplyDeleteMy problem with this ep is Bobby DID NOT get an ending. What did they do with him, throw him in a hole, what?? There is no closure. Is he really dead? They usually show the burning of the body. In a coma? Not remembering who or what he is? WHAT DAMN IT. OK I am breathing deeply and am OK again. lol Bobby was a critical part of the show and to not show an ending is not like these writers.
ReplyDeleteMy other complaint is the great heart to heart talks in the car have been missing and I miss them.
what missing time... seriously... people are getting all serious because Dean drinked a beer and didn't remember it.... and because franks is nuts...
ReplyDeleteHaters gonna hate
ReplyDeleteJohn wasn't even in the episode, other than being on the other side of a phone conversation, so how did it say anything about his relationship with Sam and Dean? What the episode showed was that Bobby considered Sam and Dean family and they filled a gap in his life. Nothing more.
ReplyDeleteI'm from Texas also, the home state to J2. lol
ReplyDelete"Ok, I can't even reply to that"
ReplyDeleteyou just did.
Sera and her writers need to go back and watch Season 1-3. Maybe then they will remember who Sam and Dean are.
ReplyDeleteI've been reading comments about the missing beer and difference in time perception between Dean and Frank. I really hope this a set up to the time travel episode, or even something the Leviathans are doing. I really don't want Bobby to turn into Bobby the Friendly Ghost. That would be so corny, and ghosts are supposed to be scary. It's bad enough that demons aren't scary anymore. Can we at least not mess with ghosts, and not ruin Bobby's legacy by turning him into into a bad plot everyone later wants to forget happened?
ReplyDeleteJust okay. Didn't like the kid that much... Loved Dean as usual, especially at the end. And the beer that disappeared. That was cool. ;)
ReplyDelete12 and 13 are Dean centric
ReplyDelete14 is a wacky MOTW episode (I believe)
15 is rumoured to be Dean centric apparently Jared has lots of days off at the moment
17 Cas is back
19-23 are rumoured to be Sam light/no Sam at all
dont know if the rumours are true or not and I dont usually put in stock in them but it does make sense.
I'll be expecting a very heavy Sam centric season 8-yeah like that'll happen?!
don't we already know Sherriff Jody Mills to be the old friend Sam runs in to?
ReplyDeleteWhats the betting she has more to do than Sam in the episode? Maybe she'll be the one to save Dean?
The episode was awsesome. I say there was no salt and burn that Bobbie's not dead just in a coma. can hope. I hope Bobbie still alive. Felt sorry for the guys they looked so sad. The liffle girl was funny she could have been a little female Dean. Can't wait till next week it looks like a good one.
ReplyDeleteI really enjoyed this episode. There was enough of an emphasis on the loss of Bobby and we saw exactly both Sam and Dean were handling their grief. This episode was exactly what I love about Supernatural...one episode can contain action, twists, violence, emotion, and humor. I loved Frank and Krissy and that ending had my crying my poor little eyes out because it was both sad and sweet at the same time. How the hell does SPN manage to do these things to me?
ReplyDeleteI don't even want to think for a moment that our beloved Bobby could be dead! I know that we "saw" him die, but he never answered the reaper's question! But, we have seen other characters come back to life, so it would not surprise me if it happens once again down the road with Bobby returning.
ReplyDeleteThe boys seem back to normal in being brothers once again by the end of the episode. It was great seeing Sam put the tape in the cassette deck, going night-night and then Dean smiling. I thought maybe we would actually see hated Dick Roman last night and I hope the boys do get him in the end. They have more of a reason now than before-revenge. I know we won't be seeing Cass for a good while now, but maybe when Cass is back to normal (and I really hope that happens), he will save Bobby once again like he did at the end of season 5.
Awesome episode last night and well worth the long wait of a month (and 2 weeks with no show at all). Next week looks great-Dean goes back in time and Sam gets in trouble of course!!
haha well someone needs to! he's been spiraling all season, and it's only going to get worse :/
ReplyDeleteyeah, he's in a serious spiral - in a fun, happier, fantasy season 7, I'm pretty sure there would be some sort of a supernatural intervention.. Bobby would be back, as well as Cas, John, Mary, Ellen, Jo, and maybe even Rufus. He was always good for some fun.
ReplyDeleteIt was an ok episode. More fascinated now on the time slips and the empty beer bottle, then on the MOTW...which I thought were a little blah. I think they were going for 80s movies noir in this episode and for that they get a good over ok. Big hair, 80s fashion.
ReplyDeleteBut for the time slips. Lovely little easter eggs to ponder. At first I was focused on the empty beer bottle, hoping it was a sign from Bobby or Ellen for Dean not to drink to cover his pain...now I'm thinking time slip which would fit in with next weeks episode where they deal with time travel. Maybe next weeks MOTW is messing with them this week and it will be explored?
Love how the writers make you wonder if the time slips are just grief and coping with extreme duress, or with Frank just because he's absolutely a nutjob, or if it's something more. Not my favorite episode but I've learned to just see where the SPN writers go instead of jumping to form a mob complete with flaming torches to burn them.
Contrary to popular belief apparently,I really enjoyed the episode.
ReplyDeleteThe whole point of it was to show the Winchesters dealing with Bobby's death and it did.I don't know why it is such a big surprise to some that they had different ways of coping and in order to do that they had to separate for a while.Their different approach on some things has been there since episode 1.
Also,I honestly didn't think they were out of character.Sam wanted to keep working and help the person who called Bobby and Dean wanted to go after Dick Roman without missing a beat.Very much in character in my opinion.I was actually quite surprised(and happy) when Dean suggested that Sam hunts alone because it means that he's finally realized that Sam can actually take care of himself.That doesn't mean they didn't act as brothers.They were keeping each other updated at all times.
The plot was nicely balanced between the individual hunt and the Leviathans.Frank is great,I truly wish we see more of him.He's fun and he can help the brothers.
Krissy was also very cool,kind of how I pictured Dean as a kid.
And of course the episode created some very interesting questions for the future.What are the Leviathans building.And more importantly,what was the deal with Dean's beer?Bobby as a ghost maybe..Besides,the cliffhanger was never about Bobby living or dying.He was dead,it was over.The cliffhanger was about his choice,did he go with the Reaper or did he decide to stay behind?I'm not sure which would be better yet..
Puzzlement is a good word. It seems like every season since 2 the writers have said one thing about their hopes for the show and then taken a while (or maybe not even hitting season 6 imho) the thing they said for the show. I'm waiting for next week to see if the time slips actually mean something. As for Bobby's goodbye - its SPN no one ever really dies ;) *I keep telling myself that*
ReplyDeleteI noticed Dean's voice too - it was off. But again maybe that was what the writers wanted, to make us wonder WTH was going on with things being "off"? I don't think Frank will be Bobby's replacement - he's just plot and someone the boys can turn to with technical stuff.
Showrunners Gamble and Singer and consultant kripke please have your new writers and yourselves as reminders watch seasons 1 thru 3 where you can clearly see the heart of this show the brotherly relationship. As the new writers won't find that warmth and deep love and magic shown in the small details of the brothers relationship very much at all from mid season 4 thru mid season 6 when the Angels and Castile brought this show close to deaths door and nearly suffocating the brotherhood. I have no problem with Misha Collins coming back for a few episode but not as Castile that charcter and the Angel mythology should remain gone.I get he got a crappy looney tune ending that was ridiculous and which brought this high quality show to an all new low but that is what happens when you jump the shark like kripke did by forcing fitting his character and the Angel mythology in the show far too longer then they fit. There was damage done to this show and its tow main characters Sam and dean that can't be undone but hopefully Gamble Singer and consultant kripke who did start setting things right can get that brotherly love right and the show focused on the brotherly relationship Supernaturals very heart. The show is about them about family or it fails its plain and simple. Hope they act quickly. And another Dean centered episode is not the way to go. And for jared having a light schedule and not being in a bunch of episodes because of his baby being born.thats bologna they just will work his shooting schedule around a few days off.
ReplyDeleteI disagree with you totally about the Angels, I loved Castiel and the whole Angel arc. I do agree that some of the writers do not know the characters they are writing for, but since every thing has to be approved by Sera, just don't know what they are thinking.
ReplyDeleteThat beer disappeared, Dean didn't drink it, Bobby is still about in some form watching over Dean because Dean needs someone to watch over him so he can be there when Sam eventually breaks.
ReplyDeleteAs for the difference between John and Bobby. Bobby got to be soft when the boys needed it, John didn't get that chance because he couldn't be. As much as revenge got him into the life he found out the boys at some point couldn't have a normal life. He taught his boys to be able to physically defend themselves because unlike Krissy's dad who tried to keep her out of it as much as he could John knew that the both his boys would need to be able to fight. He might not have known the whole Lucifer thing he knew Sam was a special kid of the YED. It isn't much but being hard on them as he was in a life that has a short life expectancy was his way of trying to prevent them both of having an even shorter one.
''Every time''
ReplyDeleteThey split up in Girl next door and it was Sam's centric, in Time for a wedding even if it was bad, Sam wasn't gone for half the episode either. Yesterday, yeah you're right. But that's 1 out of 3, all your exemples are from yesterday. Next week look more Dean centric, but until we see the episode, we don't know exactly what Sam will do while working with an old friend to try rescue his bro.
Like I said many time, I'm still waiting too from more POV from Hell.
Haters will hate, like I said in the promo topic, in every others shows I watch, everytime something a lot worse happen in the plot again and again and again, no one is complaining and everyone things its ssooo awesome, while in SPN, its hate all around, its sad
Yes I was thinking that too. I'd love for the strange events to be part of a time slip due to whatever happens in the next episode, though suddenly finding Bobby alive would cheapen that death, so I'm torn. But what season 7 desparately needs is the sense of continuity, that events that happen in one episode affect the others. This season is very poor on that, and since that was one of the great things about SPN, it's glaring.
ReplyDeleteWhy can't people just enjoy Supernatural without complaining? God.
ReplyDeleteSpot on about Frank. The boys have to pay him everytime he comes around so I don't see him as a permanent addition. $15,000 for coordinates? Yikes!
ReplyDeleteWe know Sheriff Mills is in the episode, but don't specifically if she is the 'old friend'. I wouldn't really categorize her as an "old friend' seeing as how she hasn't interacted with the boys since Dean Men Wear Plaid and that was hardly friendly. She would be a friend of Bobby's but I'd hardly consider her an "old" friend since their budding relationship was relatively new. I'm waiting to see if they spring something else. Sometimes you just can't take these promo descriptions literally. I'm hoping the "old friend" Sam runs into is Lucifer. :) But at this point, it could be anyone we've seen before or even someone Sam may have known before the series (like Brady). Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately) nothing is certain.
ReplyDeleteVery true. Even the eps that don't leave me breathless are better than most things I watch on TV. :) After Death's Door, I didn't want another in your face, emotional ep. I wanted to know the boys were adrift. I wanted Bobby's death to make an impact and I believe they accomplished that. They needed to find a way to get their feet back under them and balance what they needed to do (track down Dick and kill him) and what Bobby would want them to do (their jobs: saving people, hunting things, saving the world -- again.) Adventures in Babysitting accomplished that nicely.
ReplyDeleteResponsibly? No. But there are so many people here who seem to believe that two grown men--even brothers--shouldn't have separate lives. They seem to want the Winchesters to spend all their time together, not have lady friends, and have these deep, heartfelt discussions in every episode. That's not how men behave, unless they're lovers, and that's not supposed to be the relationship here. Sam and Dean are adult males, brothers and co-workers--not one another's alter-egos.
ReplyDeleteNo offense, but have you even been watching the show for the last six seasons? Bobby was a father figure to the boys...in some ways, more of a father than John had ever been (though unlike some I actually love the character of John) and, as the wrtiers seem to have forgotten the last two seasons, the entire central focus of the show is FAMILY and the power/strength of that bond. That's what took down Lucifer, that's what the boys in their own way have been all about and Bobby was a key part of that family for them. Dean flat out said it back in Season 5, in "The Curious Case of Dean Winchester" when Bobby was contemplating giving up because he was in a wheelchair. He said Bobby was all the family he and Sam had. How anyone could call Bobby "uninteresting" or say that Death's Door was a boring episode is beyond me...that episode came closest to recapturing the classic Season 1/2 feel than any other in the last couple of seasons. The only good thing about Bobby being killed off is that at least they paid him the respect of giving him a proper farewell. Last night was supposed to be the follow up to that, the guys reaction to his loss, and it was very weak, which I found to be a shame.
ReplyDeleteDean never drank that beer. As much drinking as he's been doing lately, he's never blacked out or compeletly lost track of time/what he was doing. There was more to that beer being emptied than that and many of us read it as Bobby being present somehow. Given the premise of the show and everything we've seen in six seasons, I think it was a legitimate connection to make.
ReplyDeleteIt did...it was completey not Dean.
ReplyDeleteWhy woulld he have told anyone that unless they specifically came upon those creatures again? Apparantly, up until last night they hadn't. John and Bobby both knew a lot of stuff, they didn't tell it all to the boys until it became necessary to do so. I didn't have a problem with that detail at all. My bigger problem was Dean letting Sam go off and take that job on his own...in the past he NEVER would've done that, they would've gone together. I know, it was a function of Dean being dead set on revenge and also trying to let Sam stand on his own two feet more, but it still didn't feel right. Where's the protective big brother we love? Sigh.
ReplyDeleteYes, PLEASE!!!
ReplyDeleteI thought it in the last episode when Bobby wrote the numbers on Sam's hand...it was Dad giving them coordinates, one many nice homages to the earlier seasons in that episode. Too bad they couldn't have carried that feeling over to this week. I think Sera needs to forget showrunning and go back to being a writer...she's much better at writing!
ReplyDeleteBingo!!! Couldn't agree more...that's what's missing and they really need to bring it back!
ReplyDeleteSorry, but I disagree with you on Bobby, we DID NOT get a proper farewell. Did they bury him? Give him a hunters farewell with the fire? WHAT!! There was not any closure on screen. There are lots of fans that cared about him as much as the boys did and we get nothing.
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely. Actually, I think both Jared and Jensen have looked a little frustrated this season, almost like they know what they need to do as the characters but are being limited by the scripts they're getting. It's really a disservice to them!
ReplyDeleteExactly...since when does having a baby mean you have to miss a chunk of time? He'll handle it. And as bad as things have gotten, it would be the ultimate sin to just entirely write out one of the two main characters. They do that and they might as well pull the plug on the show entirely, imo.
ReplyDeleteI actually just did a review on this over at my blog. The link is here-- http://easyreadinganddamnhardwriting.wordpress.com/2012/01/07/tv-review-supernatural-7-11-adventures-in-babysitting/
ReplyDeleteBasically, I liked it but it wasn't as good as it could have been. The monsters in particular were pretty meh. But I loved Frank & Dean going after the Leviathan together and all of Dean's scenes with the kid.
(I wasn't intending to pimp my blog or anything, fyi, I just didn't feel like typing/copy-pasting it all again. Also I linked back to a SpoilerTV article in it :D)
Um...let me just say off the top that yes, we all agree Sam is being greviously underused. That being said...
ReplyDelete1. Dean is not hallucinating...don't know where you got that from. I really don't think that was the point of the disappearing beer. this is still Supernatural, remember...freaky shit happens all the time. There was more to the beer than that, which brings me to...
2. There didn't have to be a change in air temp in order for a spirit to be around. Again, this is SPN...anything can happen. And since Bobby never did anything by the book while he was alive, why would we start doing it once he was a spirit. If anyone can find a way to bend the spirit "rules", it's Bobby Singer!
3. The days/weeks thing was not Dean's mix up, it was Frank's. I think that was just supposed to be an indicator of how out there Frank is. Weeks had passed, Dean was right about that. Yes, the beginning of the episode with "Week One", "Week Two" was awkward but I think it was genuinetly meant to demonstrate the passage of time.
And finally, as for the last scene, while I agree that it was unnecessary, I do understand the point of it and I think that Jensen did as well with it as he could under the circumstances so I can't fault him. But the entire episode was poorly handled, imo.
Ok, let me preface this by saying that I agree that Sam has been greviously underused all season. That being said...
ReplyDelete1. Dean was not hallucinating...the beer was drained and not by him. The point of that whole thing was not to say "poor Dean" but to open the idea that something else might be going on. This is still Supernatural, remember, freaky shit happens all the time. Which brings me to...
2. There didn't have to be a temperature change in order for a spirit to be present. Again, this SPN and anything is possible. Besides, Bobby didn't exactly play by the rules in life, why should he start doing it as a spirit? If anyone can fine a way to bend the spirit "rules", it's Bobby Singer!
3. The days/weeks thing was Frank's problem, not Dean's. Weeks HAD passed...I think that exchange was meant to point out how loopy Frank is. As awkward as the beginning of the episode was with the weeks passing, I do think it was genuinely meant to show the passage of time. Again, Dean's not losing it...well not to THAT point anyway.
And finally, as for the last scene...while I don't think it was totally necessary I do understand the reasoning behind it and I think Jensen did as well with it as coud be expected, so I wouldn't put that on his head. The whole episode was poorly handled by the writers.
I agree with everything you've said both here & in your original post. There. I said it. No, no need to throw yourself at my feet in gratitude. :P
ReplyDeleteI thought the portrayal of the boys' grief over Bobby was really well done - the initial scenes (week 1, week 2...) captured their devastation better than endless dialogue and touchy feely self help yoga crap could have. I also thought having Sam going by himself on a hunt showed how out of the game he was - under 'normal' circumstances (when things are good between them - as they currently are) they know better than that. I also thought the ease with which the vetalas caught him showed he wasn't in the frame of mind to be hunting.
To make a long story short: True to form when the Winchesters are grieving, Sam becomes quiet and sad, Dean gets mad. Forget 'The Rise of Dick', Dick Roman is going DOWN.
Can't wait to see how this plays out.
Ok, let me preface this by saying that yes, we all agree that Sam has been greviously underused this season. That being said...
ReplyDeleteFirst off...Dean is NOT hallucinating. The beer disappeared and he did not drink it. This is still Supernatural, remember, there's no reason not to believe that something else was at play. Freaky shit happens. Which leads me to...
There did not need to be a change in air temp for a spirit to be around. Again, this is SPN, anything is possible. And Bobby never exactly played by the rules when he was alive, why should he start now that he's a spirit. If anyone can find a way to bend the spriit "rules" it's Bobby Singer!
And the days/weeks thing...that was Frank's problem, not Dean's. Weeks DID pass...as awkward as the beginning of the episode was, I think it was genuinely meant to show the passage of time. I think that whole exchange was meant to point out how loopy Frank is, not show Dean having some major breakdown.
And the end scene...while I thought it was totally unnecessary, I do understand the ultimate point of it and I think Jensen handled it as well as could be expected, so I wouldn't blame him for that one.
Alright, alright. You don't have to be rude. I started watching last season (and then only intermittently because its a timeslot rival of my favorite program, Fringe), and I missed a bunch of older episodes. Bobby was a pretty good character, but Death's Door just wasn't all that interesting to me.
ReplyDeleteBut, since there's a boatload of backstory that I apparently missed; I will go back through the earlier seasons and then give Death's Door another try.
Didn't intend to be rude. Since you haven't seen the earlier seasons, I can understand why you wouldn't get the importance of Bobby. I definitely recommend that you catch up on the backstory...anyone coming into SPN for the first time this late in the going is definitely not going to get what the whole show is about, since the last two seasons have been noticably weaker than the previous ones.
ReplyDeleteI hear you, but having a burial/burning, etc. is what I meant by the boys getting to say their farewell. Bobby said his in Death's Door but the boys never got to properly respond.
ReplyDeleteI'm glad you could get something positive out of this episode. I certainly wouldn't say it's the worst ever, it just left me very frustrated and confused.
ReplyDeleteAnd nobody said the series wasn't still great. That's the whole reason that people do get so passioinate about the episodes that disappoint us, because we want so much more from and for our boys and when we don't get it it's upsetting. The creator/writers set a high bar in the early season and they are not living up to it last season and this season.
Heh heh heh. "I agree with everything you've said..." that had to hurt. :)
ReplyDeleteGlad I'm not the only one who thinks Sam's quietness and 'distance' is intentional due to the fact that he's pretty messed up and now having to deal with more crap heaped on top. There was no way he could help Dean, and Dean was not in any frame of mind to help Sam. Sam was easily caught, but yeah, like you said, he didn't really have his mind in the game. Normally, Sam wouldn't just rely on info in John's journal, he'd research the hell out of it and probably figure out there could be two vetalas, but still reeling from Bobby's fate, he simply needed to do something. I thought it was portrayed well.
As for Dean, his usual reaction is anger, but I think Frank's words and Krissy's (people die, Dean) gave him enough perspective to get his head back in the game. I'm with you, excited to see how it all plays out.
Uh no, it doesn't make sense...the show is about TWO brothers, you can't just write out one main characcter. I don't believe the rumors are true...no reason why Jared can't keep working just because his wife's having a baby, people do it every day. I'll be HIGHLY disappointed if any of the things you speculated above are true.
ReplyDeleteNo, they aren't each other's alter-egos, but they are brothers. Nobody is expecting them to be joined at the hip, but it would be nice to seem them having SOME kind of connection. God, I've had closer conversations/connections to people I just know casually than they have in the last season and a half. Yes, they're growing up and obviously everything they've been through will change them as people but that doesn't mean they have to stop being brothers. The entire point of this series has been about the power of FAMILY...we'd just like some indication that that hasn't been totally forgotten. If it has, then as I said earlier, the show has lost its soul.
ReplyDeleteInteresting you should mention Ellen...that was my other thought about the beer, after the immediate thought it was Bobby. Remember, earlier this season when she communicated with Dean across the veil and said if he didn't get his head out of his ass she'd come back and kick his butt. Maybe emptying the beer was her way of telling him to quit drinking and do what he needs to do? :)
ReplyDeleteWhy don't we have the right to express our disapproval/disappointment when an episode doesn't live up to our expectations. We care about the show, which makes us that much more upset when an episode falls short. I see nothing wrong with that. Why doe we have to be all rainbows and puppies even when an episode obviously falls short?
ReplyDeleteyep, I could definitely see that :) she and Bobby were basically his surrogate parents after he lost his own, and I have no doubt that they're both watching out for him, ready to kick his butt when he wanders a little too far off the reservation
ReplyDeleteI just re-watched it and was much better second time around with CC turned on. The boys had some good info given to them about life, dying and the job. Did not even mind the talk in the car, it fit.
ReplyDeleteI would be OK with Jared taking some time off for the new baby, I think it would be great. Your child is only born once and dad needs to be involved.
ReplyDeleteI loved Time for a Wedding. It is in my top 5 of this season.
ReplyDeleteThey did the funeral pyre with Adam too.
ReplyDeleteThey burned the photo for Ellen and Jo...
They poured out some liquor and had a few words for Rufus.
Dean saved Castiel's coat and had a few words.
I didn't need a big "goodbye" in this last episode. I just needed confirmation of whether he is gone or not and some mourning from the guys.
However I thought we had more of a good bye from Bobby than we have had from anybody. Dean's goodbye was really great, but short.
They are delivering the baby in Seattle to be closer to the set. He can drop everything and run down there for a day or two to be with her, Then take her back with him. It shouldn't cause more than a half episode disturbance.
ReplyDeleteAgree. Real life trumps TV.
ReplyDeleteI still have to re-watch because I'm curious about all the strange things I thought I saw the first time. Dean's beer, him sleeping thru Sam's call, Frank's insistence they only gave him the numbers days ago instead of weeks. Just a lot of things that could be shrugged away on their own, but not all together.
ReplyDeleteGlad you enjoyed it more the second time!!