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Agents of SHIELD - Episode 2.19 - The Dirty Half Dozen - Team art

23 Apr 2015

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176 comments:

  1. klutzy_girl23 April 2015 at 16:12

    Don't really like it (and EW's having issues so can't read the interview - not that I want to but still) BUT THE OT6 IS BACK IN ACTION AND EVERYTHING IS AMAZING.

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  2. Lord Nikon23 April 2015 at 16:14

    AWESOME!

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  3. pink_tentacle23 April 2015 at 16:21

    don't like the style but i like the motive and i can't wait

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  4. Manuela Tfpeel Raimo23 April 2015 at 16:27

    Where is Hunter???

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  5. klutzy_girl23 April 2015 at 16:28

    This is just the original team. The others are missing too.

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  6. Stephen S. Bowman23 April 2015 at 16:30

    maybe this is more about taking the team he trust

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  7. Historical_Materialist23 April 2015 at 16:32

    Based on the interview, seems I was right. When the team is back together in the Quinjet on their way to the HYDRA base, everything will come out. For everyone who likes the "family" aspect of this show, here it is. The whole family stuck in a confined space on a road trip. Words will be said, fingers will be pointed, tears will be shed. Its all coming out.


    They also mentioned an easter egg in the painting. Wonder if they're referring to whatever Simmons is holding in her hand while glaring at Ward.

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  8. Historical_Materialist23 April 2015 at 16:32

    Nursing a wound with 33.

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  9. Anna Bender23 April 2015 at 16:33

    The old gang is back together.!!! Awesome!
    May and Skye will kick ass.

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  10. Stephen S. Bowman23 April 2015 at 16:36

    the thing i caught from EW article is not everyone's on board with saving lincoln why is a eye opener

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  11. Karri23 April 2015 at 16:59

    Interesting. I wonder what Simmons is holding?

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  12. ThulaLani23 April 2015 at 17:05

    They also said not everyone likes Deathlok, like wth?


    I think the others don't wan't to rescue Lincoln because they don't know him from a bar of soap and probably don't have a reason to trust him because he works with Gordon and there's the Cal connection that they haven't figured out that makes them extra cautious but Skye will persuade them he's a good guy. I see Ward not wanting to rescue either one because Lincoln is possibly Skye's next boyfriend doesn't want her near anyone man in that way and Mike is a SHIELD agent with rockets in his arms that hates his guts.

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  13. ThulaLani23 April 2015 at 17:12

    Is Simmons about to fulfill her promise to Ward? A girl can hope.

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  14. Demileto23 April 2015 at 17:13

    Ward's the one who's not very fond of Deathlok. Remember "Nothing Personal"? Mike almost killed Ward there under the orders of Garrett to get Skye to talk, and Ward still holds a grudge to this day.

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  15. Charlotte23 April 2015 at 17:15

    Well if we do quote her from the first half of Season 2. "If I ever see you again, I'll kill you" :P

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  16. ThulaLani23 April 2015 at 17:18

    Good on Mike.

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  17. Alex Forrest23 April 2015 at 17:24

    Recovering from the bullet wound he conveniently received so that it can be just the original 6 on this mission, and certain fans can go gaga over that.

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  18. Alex Forrest23 April 2015 at 17:25

    As usual, I wonder if there's significance to certain characters being bigger than others.

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  19. Suzana23 April 2015 at 17:32

    I am curious about that too. It might be an indication of their place in the episode...

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  20. Historical_Materialist23 April 2015 at 17:32

    I agree they were but I don't believe it will ever be spoken of in those terms. Its just not that kind of show. The most you're likely to get will be whatever is said between the original team members on their flight to the HYDRA base. They'll either remain entrenched in their opinions or they'll all have a somewhat better understanding of each other's positions. Over the course of future episodes things will evolve and perspectives may further change. But as for anything resembling an admission by Ward of being a victim or and acknowledgment by the others of the same thing where Ward and/or mike go off to therapy of kind, I don't see that happening. It would take too much air time and that's not the kind of show this is.

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  21. sparky4223 April 2015 at 17:33

    And you want Lincoln dead, because he's?

    The writers are clearly going to be as subtl as a Baseball bat in returning Ward to the team

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  22. sparky4223 April 2015 at 17:34

    SkyeWard shippers clearly...

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  23. klutzy_girl23 April 2015 at 17:34

    Which makes me sad, ngl. Hopefully the abuse is acknowledged at some point (along with a mention of Ward starting therapy, even if we don't see it).

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  24. sparky4223 April 2015 at 17:34

    Or Bobbi, why leave her out?

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  25. klutzy_girl23 April 2015 at 17:39

    I don't want Lincoln dead. I just said I thought he might be dead (and/or evil) by the end of the season.

    I like him (I'm happy he tried to save Skye from Cal) but I just don't trust him. Something still feels off.

    Jemma killing Ward in cold blood is a disservice to her character and it would be murder.

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  26. Stjarna23 April 2015 at 17:41

    I always thought that that was such a strong statement by Simmons (and something you wouldn't necessarily expect from her) that the writers put it in because they would come back to it at some point.

    Now I don't want her to become a killer but I think they will have to address it in some way (either she tries to kill him, she actually kills him, she tries to kill him and he kills her in the process ... I don't like any of these options but something is going to happen to address that quote .. In my opinion)

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  27. sparky4223 April 2015 at 17:42

    He's a murder himself, not really concerned about it.

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  28. klutzy_girl23 April 2015 at 17:46

    Ah, lovely, you still want a character you to love to become a murderer because that's exactly what she would be if she killed someone in revenge.

    I love the whole team - all of them - and I am not here for that character assassination - because that's it what it would be - happening to Jemma.

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  29. Stephen S. Bowman23 April 2015 at 17:46

    that ship sail a long time ago i'm all for saving lincoln and deathlock not sure why so many against but oh well

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  30. Historical_Materialist23 April 2015 at 17:48

    Yes he is a murderer but he's also one the leads of the show so you're supposed to be torn about his future. Ward is on a journey and we as viewers are supposed to care about that. Simmons is rightfully outraged but we also don't want to see her become what she despises.

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  31. ThulaLani23 April 2015 at 17:48

    I know Simmons won't do anything to him because Ward seems to stupidly have plot armour. What I really want is Ward away from the team, nobody wants him there but whatever. My little wish will never be fulfilled and truthfully I don't want any of my favourites with blood on their hands. He's taken too much from them already, I don't want them to stoop to his level. Ward is still an awful person and still has more body bags owing to his name than I care to count, the sooner they no longer associate with him the better, I don't care whether he lives or dies to make that happen.

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  32. Monjia23 April 2015 at 17:48

    I'm not crazy about it (feels like a Broadway billboard) but it's kinda cool. I really love how May and Skye are represented (Mentor and Student dynamic).

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  33. sparky4223 April 2015 at 17:48

    I was just joking, with all the SkyeWard shipper posts that have been on the threads recently.

    But as I've said given how "subtle" the writers seem to be in pushing Ward back to the team, I've pretty much lost faith that they aren't going to float that ship back.

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  34. Stephen S. Bowman23 April 2015 at 17:48

    you could make the argument that jemma blames ward for how hard its been on her relationship with Fitz lately but at the sametime its not a excuse to take that anger out on someone either

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  35. Stephen S. Bowman23 April 2015 at 17:50

    she probably blames ward for her relationship with Fitz breaking down also i wanna add that also

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  36. Monjia23 April 2015 at 17:50

    He doesn't trust Ward so(but Ward kinda saved his life so I get what you're saying).

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  37. klutzy_girl23 April 2015 at 17:50

    Exactly!

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  38. ThulaLani23 April 2015 at 17:50

    They need to be saved, this is Hydra we're talking about.

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  39. ThulaLani23 April 2015 at 17:53

    I don't know why they think it's cool to force Ward onto a team that hates him. literally NOBODY wants him including Coulson, the man the supposedly brought him in but writers think this is the most awesomest thing to have the old team back together even though a murderous traitor is among them. There's no logical reason for any of this, none whatsoever.

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  40. MurderMondays23 April 2015 at 17:54

    Yay Team!


    It's going to be great seeing everyone dealing with Ward being there. They're going to be, understandably, pissed off. Hopefully it doesn't distract them from what they need to do.

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  41. Stephen S. Bowman23 April 2015 at 17:55

    well minus the ward part i meant sorry should been more specific

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  42. ThulaLani23 April 2015 at 17:55

    I don't want Simmons or even Fitz to become killers because of Ward but something needs to give. I want them to cut him loose completely. He has no place in that team.

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  43. klutzy_girl23 April 2015 at 17:56

    It's fantastic, I gotta say.

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  44. Stephen S. Bowman23 April 2015 at 17:57

    something tells me some feelings are gonna be let out this episode that have been held in all season long

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  45. sparky4223 April 2015 at 17:57

    The only caring I'd give is if he was going to the spin off, I have zero interst in him the way his return is being forced, there's zero reason why not to have Bobbi on the team, nor why you give a known killer a firearm and be comfortable with him being behind you. But hey he's an original.

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  46. Victoria Llanos23 April 2015 at 17:57

    Not my favourite one...

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  47. klutzy_girl23 April 2015 at 17:57

    Considering Ward saved Couslon's life, he's a good thing he went with him last episode.

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  48. Dean23 April 2015 at 17:57

    I think is very possible she tries to attack Ward at some point. She made a serious threat to him. It was out of character for her and i don't see her forgetting that.

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  49. ThulaLani23 April 2015 at 17:58

    Yes, where is he? Enough with Ward.

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  50. klutzy_girl23 April 2015 at 17:58

    It's been a long time coming but I am so excited to see everything out in the open.

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  51. Stephen S. Bowman23 April 2015 at 17:58

    the question is would you trust bobbi or mack right now cause i have a hard time trust them also

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  52. ThulaLani23 April 2015 at 17:59

    A wretched original.

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  53. sparky4223 April 2015 at 17:59

    Thank you. It's crazy how unsubtle they are being on this. Hell why isn't Bobbi on the mission? Everyone on the team would trust her more than Ward. I still don't get how the writers think any reasonable agent would hand a known traitor and killer a firearm and not have concerns that he wasn't going to shoot them in the back the first chance he had.

    It's head banging what they are presenting to us.

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  54. ThulaLani23 April 2015 at 17:59

    I want it to be Hunter.

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  55. sparky4223 April 2015 at 17:59

    You'd kick her out of bed? Think she's hot to be honest.

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  56. Alex Forrest23 April 2015 at 18:00

    Wow, that's classy. I'm sure you'd appreciate it if people mocked your appearance.

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  57. ThulaLani23 April 2015 at 18:00

    Plot service (fan pandering) not common sense/logic.

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  58. Stephen S. Bowman23 April 2015 at 18:01

    it kindy of makes since since he has hydra information but after that why would give him a gun and feel safe with him around

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  59. MurderMondays23 April 2015 at 18:02

    They also incorporated the cell structure. Not sure what that is supposed to mean.


    And Simmons is holding a splinter bomb. Ward better keep an eye on her.

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  60. ThulaLani23 April 2015 at 18:02

    Not mine either. I actually expected Coulson, Mike, Hunter, Fitz with Kara and Ward not a forced S1 reunion that doesn't make a lick of sense.

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  61. Stephen S. Bowman23 April 2015 at 18:02

    well hunter has a injury right now

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  62. sparky4223 April 2015 at 18:02

    Yes, Coulson called it, they are still Shield agents. They may disagree with his style of leadership but they are still agents who would be happy to take the fight to Hydra. Bet there's just going to be a lame "I'll go to the carrier, while you take a traitor, two non combatants (one still suffering from brain damage), and a gifted that's still learning her control against a major Hydra base unsupported. Cause the carrier can't do anything"

    The writers have thrown logic out the window having ONLY the originals doing this op. Hell Coulson brought more to destroy an empty city than he's bringing to this...

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  63. ThulaLani23 April 2015 at 18:02

    ugh! I forgot about that.

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  64. Dean23 April 2015 at 18:03

    I can see Skye playing a big part on this hydra take out because of her powers and rescuing Lincoln. This is why she is bigger on the art but not sure about May.

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  65. sparky4223 April 2015 at 18:03

    Which is why my enjoyment of this show has collapsed.

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  66. ThulaLani23 April 2015 at 18:03

    Why in the world trust him to begin with? I'm not angry (or trying not to be) but I am disappointed.

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  67. Stephen S. Bowman23 April 2015 at 18:03

    specially simmons she has left a lot unsaid to Fitz and when it does finally if it even does could be hard for Fitz to to accept that

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  68. Alex Forrest23 April 2015 at 18:04

    If we're being honest - no, I wouldn't trust Bobbi or Mack either. But if it's a choice between one of them or Ward, then hell yeah, let one of these two join. All three have betrayed Coulson, true, but:
    1. Bobbi and Mack did it for SHIELD, or at least something they believe is SHIELD. Ward did it for Hydra.
    2. Bobbi and Mack, as far as we know, don't have innocent blood on their hands. Ward has bucketloads of it.
    So in relative terms, Bobbi and Mack are still a lot more trustworthy than Ward.

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  69. sparky4223 April 2015 at 18:04

    Even if you have to bring him, a) what's the entire Carrier of agents/quinjets doing and b) why the feck give him a gun?

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  70. Alex Forrest23 April 2015 at 18:06

    You know I understand your frustration, but I think calling it quits after one episode is a bit much. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt until the end of the season and see how this Ward situation is resolved. It may not end as badly as we fear.

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  71. sparky4223 April 2015 at 18:06

    Yes again the writers aren't being subtle at all. Why would Coulson trust him at his back other than Writers...

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  72. sparky4223 April 2015 at 18:06

    Yes what random event...

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  73. Alex Forrest23 April 2015 at 18:07

    Ah, I didn't realize what that object was. Your theory makes sense. Combined with the look she's giving Ward, the uncharacteristic threat she made last time they saw each other, and how perfectly last week's poster was replicated in the actual episode, I can definitely see her try to kill him in this episode or at least make another, more concrete threat.

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  74. ThulaLani23 April 2015 at 18:08

    I'm not there yet, just waiting for the end before I can formulate my thoughts about this turn of events. I'm trying to deal with it as long as I keep thinking it's temporary but if by the end of SOS Ward is back to being a full time member, then I'll need to adjust my views of the show. I might not stop watching because Coulson is the reason I watch and so long he's alive, I'll always watch, that doesn't mean I won't be unhappy about certain things.

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  75. swanpride23 April 2015 at 18:10

    Ah, I was wondering what this thing is...

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  76. Sonnye23 April 2015 at 18:11

    In the new footage that you can see in the installment from lexus, you can see, apparently, than Gordon neither wants to save to Lincoln, or I´m wrong?

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  77. swanpride23 April 2015 at 18:12

    The pattern looks like the wall of the cell in which Skye was for a short time. And is that a building? To me it looks more like the structures of the helicarrier.....

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  78. sparky4223 April 2015 at 18:12

    It's not just the one episode but how they are being incrediable unsubtle in what we know of this one. Hunter being taken out, Bobbi just AWOL (sure she'll end up on the carrier), the carrier's entire flightwing sitting out a major engagement with Hydra, hell Coulson brought more to destroy the temple than he's bringing to this. It's crude and blunt and what I really hoped they wouldn't do.

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  79. Alex Forrest23 April 2015 at 18:14

    Speaking of rescuing Lincoln, I'm very curious what the Inhumans are going to say about that. I fear a situation where Jiaying goes "Yeah, poor Lincoln and everything, but we're not going to do a damn thing to save him because it could expose all of us." The way she's so cold towards Cal, her husband, the father of her child, and the guy who saved her life, already rubs me the wrong way. I keep getting the feeling that the writers will vilify the Inhumans as an easy out in this storyline - a perfect reason for Skye to go back to SHIELD permanently. I don't want them to be evil. Yes, I know Skye HAS to go back but that doesn't mean everything needs to be so simplistic.

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  80. sparky4223 April 2015 at 18:15

    Easier to make it a black and white situation I'd guess. You can already see the division from the discussion about keeping people safe.

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  81. Historical_Materialist23 April 2015 at 18:16

    I wouldn't say their relationship has broken down. Its become more complicated yes, but they've also shown that Simmons wasn't in love with Fitz. She cares for him deeply, that is obvious but she has never held romantic feelings for him the way he does for her. If anyone blames Ward for a breakdown in FizSimmons its Fitz.


    What I suspect and it was very subtle in season 1 but you could see it: is that Simmons had a crush on Ward and his betrayal has really wounded her.

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  82. Alex Forrest23 April 2015 at 18:16

    This is exactly what I fear - the writers going to cheap route of making the Inhumans bad guys (in this case, exemplified by their not bothering to save Lincoln because it could expose them) to set up Skye going back to SHIELD. Jiaying and Gordon are interesting characters and I'd hate it if they were chill about Lincoln, one of their own, about to be vivisected and murdered.

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  83. Stephen S. Bowman23 April 2015 at 18:18

    well we all know last episode fitz wanted to tear ward apart lucky for him coulson and hunter was their to stop him

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  84. Historical_Materialist23 April 2015 at 18:20

    ON....FIRE.

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  85. Historical_Materialist23 April 2015 at 18:21

    Because for the moment he's their dog and he needs teeth.

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  86. Karri23 April 2015 at 18:21

    That sounds like the one last week. I'm glad to see Skye. It's been awhile since she has been on one.

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  87. Stephen S. Bowman23 April 2015 at 18:22

    see i never flet like their was any type of bond between ward and simmons in season 1 and to be honest i'm not sure they are really trying to push romantic relationship just yet either on the show

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  88. sparky4223 April 2015 at 18:23

    A rabid dog that's proven to bite anyone he want's. Not exactly the best friend type of dog. And again he's there cause Writers.

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  89. Stephen S. Bowman23 April 2015 at 18:23

    i don't feel like its been forced not sure they really need ward but i get that he is a mercenary or whatever you wanna call it

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  90. Coastal523 April 2015 at 18:23

    No Bobbi and Hunter :(

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  91. Historical_Materialist23 April 2015 at 18:24

    Oh they're not to be sure. I'm simply saying that Simmon's position could be more layered than "you hurt my buddy you bastard!"

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  92. Stephen S. Bowman23 April 2015 at 18:26

    wow good point i forgot i saw that clip but then that questions why so much to protect skye and not lincoln skye mom showing to much favorite right now

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  93. Christina23 April 2015 at 18:31

    My hope is that it goes well. She did write "Love, Simmons" on that sandwich, and I'm not sure that would have been my choice of words for a boy I know loved me that I don't plan on telling I love back.

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  94. Victoria Llanos23 April 2015 at 18:52

    I'm actually looking forward to see them all working together and to have some passed due conversations, but I would've withheld May and Skye, kept Fitz and Simmons in the back and centered on Coulson, Mike, Hunter and Ward. This makes it seem as if the episode revolved more around Skye and May tan it mostlikely will.

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  95. Joy Haldar23 April 2015 at 19:02

    Glad to see the original team back in action!I missed Ward!

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  96. Sonnye23 April 2015 at 19:05

    I don´t think Jiaying favors to Skye, I just think she acts like any mother, tries to protect his daughter

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  97. Historical_Materialist23 April 2015 at 19:11

    Yes. That's what saved Ward from being torn apart by Fitz: Coulson and Hunter. Ward was as good as dead.

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  98. Dean23 April 2015 at 19:26

    This would detroy Inhuman storyline. If marvel really have big plans for the inhumans on the mcu would be a dumb move. I understand they want to keep low profile but disposing one of them like that would be horrible. I really hope its not the case. If Gordon is relutant to go and save Lincoln he better have a big reason for it. I can understand he being afraid at first because Hydra is hunting him and the inhumans doesnt seems to have man power to go against hydra. So hopefully writers will be smart and make him come around. Its not a black white situation and there will be good and bad inhumans but make Jiaying a big bad villain would destroy the show for me because its lazy work. They already are doing a big fan service pushing Ward back to the team the way they are doing so i hope they are not that lazy.

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  99. dhmhtra37523 April 2015 at 19:40

    What new footage? Could you link me please?

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  100. Karri23 April 2015 at 19:42

    Seems likely. I wonder why May and Skye are wearing their tactical gear and the others are not.

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  101. Dean23 April 2015 at 19:50

    There still the possibility Simmons is brainwashed. I don't like this possibility because it's too easy but we know Hydra is a big fan of this method and writers sometimes go this predictable route to cause more turns and drama.

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  102. stefan8323 April 2015 at 19:52

    I certainly hope you are wrong with Mike Peterson.

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  103. dhmhtra37523 April 2015 at 19:54

    I think that Gordon will teleport there during the fight to take Lincoln and Skye away, and he will tell Skye that she has to choose. I believe it fits more with how the writers have portrayed the Inhumans. They have been written as standing apart from the rest of humanity and not really caring about what happens to anyone that isn't one of them. That does not make them evil, but it certainly doesn't win them any brownie points with the hero squad.

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  104. Sonnye23 April 2015 at 19:56

    I saw it in the official twitter of agents of shield, but this is the link in abc:
    http://abc.go.com/shows/marvels-agents-of-shield/news/maos-double-agent/main

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  105. Manuela Tfpeel Raimo23 April 2015 at 19:56

    You're right... for a moment I confuse Jemma with Kara .... :D

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  106. thatguy23 April 2015 at 19:58

    Cool Poster but seriously Ward has to die this season and I don't care if he wipes his memory that does not make him a good person. I hate the character and he is not intriguing everything he does is for someone else.

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  107. Dean23 April 2015 at 19:58

    Could be that they just don't know how to handle the situation. They are not agents. They probably don't trust humans and SHIELD so they are backed in to the corner. Hydra is after power people and they could all end up captured. Hydra got lincoln and Deathlock easily with that device.

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  108. dhmhtra37523 April 2015 at 20:00

    Thanks!! :)

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  109. Stjarna23 April 2015 at 20:02

    It's so tricky. Ward is an interesting character but I would agree that it would be incredibly difficult to make him part of the team again. If they go the Thaiti route they would have to write it in a way that makes it clear that just because his memories are wiped, the others won't have forgotten (which would keep some conflict). Otherwise Thahiti would be a lame cop-out (not appealing in my opinion in any case). If they cannot make him part of the team again (and I don't quite see how) then he will either have to become a guest star (possibly replaced by Mack as a full time character if Bobbi/Hunter get their own show) or they have to kill him off. If they do the latter, since I do think Ward is an interesting and complicated character, I hope they would give him a somewhat heroic exit (save the others by sacrificing himself). But I've rarely predicted anything the writers have been doing so I try to come up with as many possible scenarios to try and prepare myself for the best and worst outcomes.

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  110. sparky4223 April 2015 at 20:02

    Don't think many will agree with you here, but yeah I agree completely, which is why I really don't like the way he's being forced back into the team.

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  111. Sonnye23 April 2015 at 20:04

    I do not think Jiaying is bad, I just think that experience with Hydra's changed. When Cal talks about her in the past, showing how similar she is to Skye, but experience with Hydra made her indifferent to human

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  112. Alex Forrest23 April 2015 at 20:10

    Yeah, I understand why Jiaying would choose not to come for Lincoln. She obviously has to make a lot of tough calls in order to protect her kind, and sometimes that means "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one". Plus, we don't know how many Inhumans there are, and how many have powers that would actually be useful in battle (someone like Raina wouldn't be able to help much). Trying to rescue Lincoln could end up with all of them captured, as you say.


    I just hope it's done carefully enough, as to show that it's not like Jiaying doesn't care, she's horrified by what could happen to Lincoln, but at the same time she's forced to make a really hard choice.

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  113. Alex Forrest23 April 2015 at 20:11

    It's odd because in the promo, all six are in tac gear.

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  114. Dean23 April 2015 at 20:30

    I hope so too. People like Jiaying and Raina wouldn't be helpful at all trying to rescue one of them and by what they showed us so far they don't really train them to be soldier like they were originally design. Gordon would be but like he said he was the first with his abilities and he is very important to keep the inhumans alive and protected so they wouldn't risk losing him. I'm hopefull they will give Jiaying a better image than just a heartless, selfish inhuman leader. They are already showing how she is in a tough spot when it comes to Skye so lets hope they keep up.

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  115. Justin Valdes23 April 2015 at 20:35

    I'm just going to try to keep an open mind about Ward being back on the team next week. I wonder if he's going to act as an ally who the team needs major help from to take down Hydra every so often. Besides that, it will be interesting to see the original team back together after all the shit that has went down since the last half of season one. I have a feeling that there is going to be a lot of emotional flare-ups between everyone. As Ming-Na said, this really is one big dysfunctional group of agents haha.

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  116. Historical_Materialist23 April 2015 at 20:40

    There's too much information we don't know. We shouldn't assume that Lincoln is being forsaken by his own kind. I don't see any evidence of that: we only know that we see Skye back with the team on the Quinjet. Getting Lincoln out will also be one of the objectives. That's all we know. We shouldn't assume that the writers will make the InHumans indifferent and therefore shady or unsympathetic. We just don't know.


    I do believe that Lincoln will be rescued if only because in the last episode when Skye tackled him and was on top of him they shared a moment. There you have it: Lincoln and Skye getting together is already a foregone conclusion.


    What IS possible is that Mike Peterson might not make it out alive. The reason for this is that the stakes have to be high. The danger significantly higher than normal for the team to feel the need to call in the Avengers. Deathlok dying in battle would be the catalyst needed to call in the big guns.

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  117. Alex Forrest23 April 2015 at 20:41

    That's a good point, yeah. You don't go through an experience as horrifying and traumatic as what was done to Jiaying without becoming much more hard-boiled and cold. (Why again did we not get to see Cal go full-on Mr. Hyde and rip Whitehall limb from limb? Sigh.)

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  118. Alex Forrest23 April 2015 at 20:44

    I assume you're being sarcastic. To that end: while Fitz obviously wouldn't last 2 seconds in a pure physical brawl with Ward, it looked to me like he was reaching for a gun right before he stood up, and you don't need field training to be able to shoot one of those at point blank range.

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  119. Alex Forrest23 April 2015 at 20:48

    It's only speculation on my part, as I suspect the writers are going for the cheap trick of showing the Inhumans in a bad light to drive Skye back into SHIELD. As I said, I hope I'm wrong about it, as I'd rather the Inhumans were written in a more multi-faceted way.

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  120. Sonnye23 April 2015 at 20:59

    Somehow I don't think Whitehall is dead. Simon Kassianides wasn't in the press release before or for this episode. So I'm hoping that Whitehall appears in some of these latest episodes and I think Skye is who will kill him. Very twisted my theory? hahaha

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  121. Historical_Materialist23 April 2015 at 21:00

    Yes. I'm being sarcastic. :)

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  122. Alex Forrest23 April 2015 at 21:08

    That's fine, ha, I thought Whitehall got off way too easy considering what he did to Jiaying. He deserved a far slower, more painful death. So if he's revealed as alive just so Skye or Cal can kill him in a much more fantastic, gruesome way, I'm all for it! :)

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  123. Stjarna23 April 2015 at 21:36

    I would agree.

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  124. Stjarna23 April 2015 at 21:45

    Makes me nervous seeing Fitz with a gun again. Already didn't like that in the previous episode. Just an uncommon sight and he was so fidgety and nervous with it (excellently acted by the way).

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  125. Daervarn23 April 2015 at 21:58

    To be honest, that he would be back eventually was predictable; otherwise Skye would have killed him in 2.10.

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  126. Demileto23 April 2015 at 21:59

    God forbid a spy show have a character that's not black or white!

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  127. Demileto23 April 2015 at 22:00

    ^ This. Pretty much.

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  128. Demileto23 April 2015 at 22:02

    Fiz/Simmons/Ward seems to be from a scene of the episode, so maybe it happens before the strike?

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  129. Alex Forrest23 April 2015 at 22:12

    This really feels like one big contrivance to have the original 6 back together. First they make Coulson reach out to Ward, then they have Hunter shot - what's going to be the excuse for Bobbi not coming? She and Gonzales are on for tea and biscuits that afternoon? Ugh.

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  130. Betty23 April 2015 at 22:24

    I love how May and Skye are the most important ppl here :) not sure what that means though...

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  131. Daervarn23 April 2015 at 22:39

    Skye was on a trip with her dad and not imprisoned in an enemy base. If Jiaying would have known that HYDRA could be there, Skye would have never left Afterlife.

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  132. Stephen S. Bowman23 April 2015 at 22:45

    well i knew he would get his ass whip but if coulson and hunter had not been their hard to tell what he would of done since he is to emotional for the whole situation and not sure fitz being their is a very good ideal

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  133. Stephen S. Bowman23 April 2015 at 22:47

    that could be scary it could be a emotional talk to hard to tell what that means

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  134. Daervarn23 April 2015 at 22:49

    It really looks like Skye and Lincoln getting together. And should Skye and Ward stay with the team in some way next season it would be a perfect set up for a love triangle. With all the hate for Ward and the Skyeward shippers out there it would be a great way to create ratings.

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  135. Daervarn23 April 2015 at 22:52

    I don't think they will just make the Inhumans evil. There is still the hole next season before "Civil War" and Skye torn between SHIELD and Inhumans would be the perfect way to prelude the movie.

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  136. ThulaLani23 April 2015 at 22:55

    Just came from AoU, that pattern might be something else, related to what I saw.

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  137. ThulaLani23 April 2015 at 23:00

    I thought it would be the cell wall but I have another theory based on the movie.

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  138. Beatriz Moreno23 April 2015 at 23:12

    The fact that Ward is in between Fitz and Simmons is interesting.

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  139. sparky4223 April 2015 at 23:29

    Yeah, except this is the most amateur hour return that I've seen in a long time.

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  140. Christina24 April 2015 at 00:45

    That would be nice. I just really hope we get some sort of scene with them talking about it. I honestly didn't in a million years think we'd have to wait a year for some pay off here.

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  141. NiceGuyVan24 April 2015 at 01:49

    People like Original. Proven by history.

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  142. NiceGuyVan24 April 2015 at 01:59

    Ward did it for Garrett. And killing other spies is not Innocent blood.

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  143. Dean24 April 2015 at 02:04

    If Jiaying didn't die when she was torn apart i don't see why a simple bullet would kill Whitehall. He got Jiaying powers. The problem is that the hydra plot seems to be ending after aou tie in so if he will be back it has to be in the next couple episodes or they won't bring him back.

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  144. Randolph24 April 2015 at 04:14

    Something I want to know is: will Skye treat May differently now that she knows what really happened in Bahrain?

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  145. Jamie24 April 2015 at 05:42

    Not really. Maybe the artist is saying that Ward is the root of Simmons and Fitz's estrangement. Like if not for Ward Simmons would have never left and Fitz would be ok. Maybe the scene is showing that in order to rekindle their friendship they have to face/ take down Ward which explains Jemma's expression and stance. But then again I might be reading too much into the photo

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  146. Jamie24 April 2015 at 05:45

    I hope not. But I think Skype might be more respectful and mindful of what she says to May. Which of course May would end up sensing that something is wrong

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  147. ivan24 April 2015 at 07:08

    THE ORIGINAL TEAM IS BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  148. ivan24 April 2015 at 07:12

    i HATE Lincoln with a PASSION, but yeah NO ONE deserves to be taken by Hydra, so it's basically confirmed that The Avengers are fighting Hydra in that snow scene right?

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  149. ivan24 April 2015 at 07:13

    or at ALL

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  150. ivan24 April 2015 at 07:17

    he didn't gain her powers, he just was able to become younger not immortal

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  151. ivan24 April 2015 at 07:18

    which is? LOL

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  152. ThulaLani24 April 2015 at 08:18

    My first thought was vault D then I watched the movie and thought it was one thing but now I think it's related to vibranium which is the same as the honeycomb room of torture/banner's safe house.

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  153. Alex Forrest24 April 2015 at 09:18

    You hate Lincoln based on what, exactly? Can you give me ONE reason for hating his character that isn't related to the fact that he might get with Skye and you ship Skyeward? What has Lincoln, in the 3 episodes and small number of scenes in which he's been so far, done to deseve hate?

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  154. Alex Forrest24 April 2015 at 09:25

    The "Ward was loyal to Garrett, not Hydra" mantra can be repeated another 100000000 times and it won't change a thing. He was a Hydra agent. His infiltration of SHIELD was a Hydra mission, to serve Hydra's agenda. That's a fact, regardless of Ward's motivations for doing what he did.


    As for your second point, not every single person who works for an intelligence organization even counts as a "spy". Victoria Hand was very ruthless and cold-hearted, so even though what Ward did to her is obviously murder, I won't classify her as an innocent. However, what about Eric Koenig, Hand's two guards or the two guards at the Fridge negates their being innocent people Ward has killed? And let's not get started on Thomas Nash (a paralyzed man) or the two soldiers at Talbot's base, plus the would-be murder of FitzSimmons (again, save me the excuses about how Ward gave them their best possible shot for survival, they wouldn't have ended up in that position to begin with if HE hadn't captured them and taken them to the Bus).

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  155. NiceGuyVan24 April 2015 at 09:48

    As has the innocent Victems mantra. Just saying not all Are innocent.

    Besides that Im not gonna try to hard to put up an argument.
    I like him and will continue to. I like characters like him. Just like how I liked Skyler from heroes.

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  156. Demileto24 April 2015 at 12:22

    "I like him (I'm happy he tried to save Skye from Cal) but I just don't trust him. Something still feels off."



    Hah, I don't blame you! He's been magnificently flawless so far and nearly every single scene he's been a part of could've easily been rewritten for Gordon or removed altogether that it wouldn't detract much from the episodes, the exception, of course, being those related to the attack on Cal's building with his subsequent capture by HYDRA at the end of 2x18. Clearly there's something about the character that they haven't been telling us, and I *think* I know, but I seem to be the only one to guess that in every discussion forum that I visit so I'm naturally wary to spoil the potential twist.

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  157. Beatriz Moreno24 April 2015 at 12:32

    That's exactly why I think it's interesting. That, and Simmons finally having her long awaited breakdown. Seriously, I've wanted to see her get it all out since the beginning of the season.

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  158. klutzy_girl24 April 2015 at 12:47

    My crack theory is that he's Skye's half-brother via Cal, tbh. I would die laughing if that happened.

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  159. Alex Forrest24 April 2015 at 13:47

    And I agreed that not ALL of Ward's victims are innocent by acknowledging Victoria Hand. Ward's older brother and parents weren't, either, which is why, even though killing them was obviously wrong, I don't take as much issue with Ward doing it. The difference between your mantra and mine is that Ward being loyal to Garrett - while true - has no bearing on the argument. In the end of the day, he did what he did. If he were to be tried for terrorism in a court of law, no jury would say "Oh, but he wasn't really loyal to Hydra, so he's not guilty." On the other hand, whether or not Ward's victims were innocent does have bearing on the severity of his actions.


    It's fine that you like characters like Ward and Sylar - you have the right to like any character, obviously. And I like plenty of villains myself. My problem isn't with people liking Ward, it's with people pretending he's something he isn't. My original point was that while Bobbi and Mack aren't trustworthy, from the PoV of Coulson's team, they're preferable to Ward in that department, because unlike Ward they were never Hydra and never (as far as we know) committed cold-blooded murder. And these are just facts, you can like or dislike any of the characters involved but you can't deny them. That's all I'm trying to say.

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  160. Christina24 April 2015 at 21:08

    Is it confirmed that she's having a breakdown?

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  161. Christina24 April 2015 at 21:09

    I'm just happy they're kind of addressing the situation.

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  162. Christina24 April 2015 at 21:10

    I thought it was more Ward making him fidgety and nervous?


    Not gonna lie, I think Fitz with the gun is kind of hot.

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  163. Christina24 April 2015 at 21:11

    If this comes back up, I'm going to be SO pissed. I was prepared for that last half of the season, but now I just want those two back together.


    Plus, if Agent 33 shows us anything, the person is practically gone post-brainwash.

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  164. Christina24 April 2015 at 21:17

    Totally disagree there re Simmons and Ward. I don't think Simmons was blind to the SkyeWard thing that was clearly happening.


    Also, if Simmons doesn't love him, she needs to stop signing off her sandwich letters with "Love, Simmons" - that's just cruel to Fitz.

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  165. Beatriz Moreno24 April 2015 at 21:21

    No, that's just my wishful thinking, I mean I figured Ward showing up would be the last drop of water and what not.

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  166. Dean24 April 2015 at 22:06

    Me too. When i saw that bakshi broke (or never really was) the brainwashing i thought humm. If she was brainwashed the perfect time to activate hers would be when they are are trying to take down hydra base for good but i really hope they don't. This brainwash thing is getting old.

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  167. Christina24 April 2015 at 22:55

    Ah, I see. I feel like I'm too jaded to think that'll happen. I just don't want to get my hopes up.

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  168. Christina24 April 2015 at 22:56

    Couldn't agree more. I was curious about the Bakshi thing too though, I guess we just are supposed to assume he was faking it?

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  169. Jamie24 April 2015 at 23:27

    True. She never got to vent or deal with what happened to her.

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  170. Historical_Materialist24 April 2015 at 23:50

    Simmons may have seen what was happening between Skye and Ward but that doesn't mean she herself wouldn't notice his charms.


    And about the sandwich letter: yeah so? People write love, so and so all the time to people they care about: doesn't they want to go to the next level. No, Fitz is in the friend zone.

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  171. Christina24 April 2015 at 23:53

    I'll give you the first one.


    For the second one though, don't you think it's a little cruel to write that to someone that you know loves you if you don't return the feeling? It could just be the writers trying to establish that they're still friends, but honestly, I think that's just improper and inconsiderate phrasing if she has put him in the friend zone. There are a million other ways to end notes that don't have that connotation attached.

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  172. Stjarna25 April 2015 at 01:24

    Oh, I would agree that Ward was making him fidgety and nervous. Just don't think it's a great idea to throw a gun in that mix ;)


    Non-fidgety with gun, I'd find hotter ;)

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  173. Dean25 April 2015 at 01:56

    Or it was part of Ward plan. He admit that he wanted to use Coulson to his reach his goal. We will find out next episode. By promo pics the team is beside Bakshi so it could be Ward angle all along. Will see.

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  174. Alex Forrest25 April 2015 at 18:53

    As is Fitz in a suit and glasses.

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  175. Christina27 April 2015 at 17:12

    Omg yes. Loved that outfit! I need that at least once a month.

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  176. Sarah van Binnebeke28 April 2015 at 22:33

    Is it May vs Skye?
    Are Fits and Simmons trying to arrest Ward?
    Is Simmons holding a badge, device or detonator?

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