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Arrow - Episode 3.04 - The Magician - Promotional Photos

21 Oct 2014

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35 comments:

  1. Ore21 October 2014 at 00:26

    NYSSA!!! Interested to see how she react to Sara's death.

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  2. Ore21 October 2014 at 00:37

    I don't think they would spoil how Ra' Al Guhl will look on the show. Also, I think his appearance in episode 4 will be very brief.

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  3. Nicolás Festa21 October 2014 at 00:41

    There wil be more, i think... 4 it's just so little. The only reason may be what happened with 3x02, in wich almost all the promo pics where Olicity related because it was the only non-spoilery part of the episode.


    Cool to see Laurel down in the Foundry and bruised! I'm really interesting on the Laurel/Nyssa interaction... Nyssa talking to Ra's might be the closing scene(They're gonna pull the "Nyssa talking to the back of a head and then he turns around, they make a camera aproach, show his costume and cut to black).

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  4. Jon21 October 2014 at 00:44

    Don't think Matt Nable was casted when they filmed ep 4.

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  5. S1XTHSTR33T21 October 2014 at 00:45

    Nyssa is back! Probably, she is going to look for revenge!
    I'm really looking forward to see her.

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  6. Ore21 October 2014 at 00:46

    yeah I think there will definitely be more pics. Usually they release about 15.

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  7. SHIELDNCISArrowfan21 October 2014 at 00:51

    maybe he was already casted and film already but just not annoyance yet

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  8. mac21 October 2014 at 00:52

    She is, Oliver and her are going after Merlyn (thus the title "The Magician")

    http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/1/11352/585916-merlyn_jla94.jpg

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  9. mac21 October 2014 at 00:54

    He was already casted, even if: they could have re-shot that sequence.
    Barrowman wasn't on set for episode 2 either and yet they re-shot a sequence especially for episode 2.


    As for Nable: I'm sure that he will appear, they already have a costume (as show in the SDCC promo) and 30 seconds of screentime isn't too much to shoot in 2 hours.

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  10. S1XTHSTR33T21 October 2014 at 00:57

    Same here. Sara was one of my favourites characters, and i think she did not deserve to die that way. I'm still pissed off :(

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  11. SHIELDNCISArrowfan21 October 2014 at 00:58

    I Nyssa, heir to the Demon knight you SIr Oliver Queen!!!!!!!!!

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  12. Ore21 October 2014 at 01:18

    They hadn't announced his casting by the time episode 4 was being filmed.

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  13. IvyB21 October 2014 at 08:51

    Matt Nable is in the press release for 2X04 (Nyssa talks to him about Oliver) so I'm sure they filmed a scene with him whenever they cast him and put it into the episode.

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  14. IvyB21 October 2014 at 08:52

    I like that Laurel is there too (is she still bruised from 1X03- yay continuity- or are these fresh bruises/cuts?) and her body language looks either like a kid scolded or like she REALLY doesn't want to be around Nyssa. Either way, I really like Nyssa so I'm excited for the episode and I'm sure it'll be a big one, which is why we're only getting these photos for now.

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  15. Shannon21 October 2014 at 09:10

    Nyssa!! Awww. I've been waiting for your return, but i'm still sad for you about the reason for it...Kick some ass girl!

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  16. Alex Forrest21 October 2014 at 09:59

    Show, if you want me to even contemplate forgiving you for the lame way you killed Sara off, you better have Nyssa unleash some serious hell on whoever killed her. (That's the cool thing about Nyssa being an assassin - no need to worry about the morality of her revenge when she isn't supposed to be a moraled character to begin with. Just let the motherfvcker who offed her girlfriend fry!)

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  17. Alex Forrest21 October 2014 at 10:00

    How could he die so early in the season when they added him as a regular just this year? I doubt they would've promoted Barrowman just in time to kill his character off.

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  18. Alex Forrest21 October 2014 at 10:03

    Since the shows seem to be on the same timeline (for example, Barry calling Oliver in the Arrow premiere, then their meeting in the Flash premiere) I assume Felicity won't be in most of Arrow's fourth episode, because she's in Central City in The Flash's corresponding ep.

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  19. O D A21 October 2014 at 10:50

    She is in central city this episode. But Marc Guggenheim said she will be featured in a phone call.

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  20. O D A21 October 2014 at 11:12

    I still won't forgive them for killing Sara off in the manner they did. I will always side eye Arrow and won't invest too much into the characters especially female. In the span of 15 episodes they killed 3 kick ass females, Shado, Moira and Sara, and none of them got a chance to fight back and was killed execution style. Where as Tommy got to save Laurel before dying. Robert chose to die for Oliver. Only Yao Fei is the one who got killed like these ladies. It's lazy writing at its best.

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  21. lsbloom21 October 2014 at 12:25

    Two of those characters were dead from the moment you met them and Moira was a crazy witch. Robert committed suicide and put the burden of righting his wrongs on his children, that isn't noble. And even though Moira deserved the death penalty, she stood up and died for Thea which was just the same as Yao Fei. Sara and Shado kicked a lot of butt before they died. I don't think it was lazy writing--save as using death as a catalyst for change. Sara was a doomed character the only purpose she was ever going to serve was to push Laurel into the canary role and maybe give Oliver a lesson in getting involved while living the life of a vigilante.


    I don't understand the hate on Sara's death. She lived a lot longer than I ever thought she was going to. But I thought they'd put Laurel on the canary path last season--when the show first started I thought they'd do it season 1, but instead she languished. Sara was sacrificed to Laurel as she was always meant to be. There isn't anything against women in that--it is the way of comics.

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  22. O D A21 October 2014 at 13:35

    I am not saying neither of these ladies should have been killed off. Men. woman, child anyone can die in a story. All I am saying is they could have done it in a much better way. I don't agree with the concept that one character needs to be killed to further other's story. They could have made Shado and Sara's death more meaningful. Gave them more agency by at least trying to fight off their assailants or die while saving someone. I know it is the comic book way and I always have disliked this aspect of killing characters especially females in comics.


    To say there was no better way to move forward Laurel's story line is wrong imo. In the comics Dinah Drake the original BC does not die for Dinah Laurel Lance to become BC. Dinah Drake passes the mantle on to the next BC. Same could have been done here. Sara could have had enough of her masked ways, passed the mantle on to Laurel and went away. But to do that they have to work and write in a clever way. Why do that when you can rely on shock value and age old tropes. Also if they had killed Sara in the previous season fighting Slade I wouldn't have been this furious. Instead they send her away with LoA (which made no sense) and then brought her back for 2 mins only to kill her off. That in my opinion is lazy writing.


    Regarding Robert, initially when I saw his suicide what I took from that scene was Robert as a parent was dying to give his child a chance for survival. He only asked Oliver to right his wrongs, he must have meant for Oliver to lead an honorable life helping people whom Robert wronged. In no way it looked like he was asking Oliver to be a killing machine. Still this was Robert's choice. Now there is a mystery of Oliver saying he got a message from his dead father after the island. That is yet to be featured in the show.

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  23. lsbloom21 October 2014 at 14:10

    Oliver had a hallucination with his dad saying he wanted the easy way out that his dad took. IMO Robert's death wasn't unequivocally noble.


    I don't read comics, but Sara pulling a Dread Pirate Roberts seems pretty silly. Sara wasn't at all ready to leave off being an assassin. But she'd also stagnated as a character. She was behind Oliver in terms of growth, so she couldn't pull him forward, only hold him back. All she was left was a sometimes ally who thought killing was just fine. The show isn't making turning into a vigilante as a good thing. Laurel stepping outside of the law to get revenge is her falling into a hole--compare with her proudly sending criminals to prison with Oliver's help. IMO the tone of Arrow doesn't allow a character to fall off into darkness as a teammate of her sister, it needed a terrible catalyst. And of all the roles on the show Sara was one of the most expendable--she was practically a guest star.


    I don't believe in killing off characters to build plot, but sometimes, there is just nowhere left to go on shows where most people leave via death (genre, comic book, fantasy, etc). Moira had outstayed her welcome for so long, I don't know why she wasn't dead at the end of the Undertaking fiasco, that's when her story ended, all that was left was her pushing Thea towards something interesting. And for such a heinous person, she got a noble death. That was throwing her a bone she didn't deserve.


    I don't mind Sara not fighting back. There are so many fights on the show, it would have lessened the impact and just made it seem like she wasn't strong enough to win. Instead she was surprised, and maybe double-crossed by someone she trusted. That's interesting and not a black mark against Sara. Compared to season 1, a lot fewer people are dying and the deaths are each more substantial.

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  24. Jon21 October 2014 at 14:12

    "In the comics Dinah Drake the original BC does not die for Dinah Laurel
    Lance to become BC. Dinah Drake passes the mantle on to the next BC."


    Not quite. The continuity gets a little muddled with Crisis on Infinite Earth. But the elder Dinah retired from the role after a final battle took the life of her husband Larry (the inspiration for the shows Quentin) and left her with cancer. She was not supportive of her daughter following in her footsteps at all, which is why Dinah Laurel trained with Ted Grant in secret. Mother and daughter spent time at odds only reconciling shortly before the elder Dinah sucumbed to her cancer.

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  25. O D A21 October 2014 at 14:38

    Thank you Jon. I can always count on you to explain comic parts :) I can see what the show is trying to do and for once I am excited for Laurel. But Sara and Laurel has a great relationship, something so much superior than the relationship between Oliver and Laurel. At this point I could care less about Oliver's disapproval towards Laurel being BC. Where as if it was Sara who had retired and disapproved Laurel's journey I would have been ecstatic. That could have been a wonderful change.

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  26. O D A21 October 2014 at 14:49

    We will have to agree to disagree Isbloom :) I still think they could have told a better and different story by keeping Sara alive and making Laurel BC. Or atleast gave her death a little bit more build up and gravitas instead of going for shock value.


    Moira's was a deliciously villanous character. She was not a villain like Malcolm or Slade , she was a morally grey character who leaned more on to the grey side. I love such characters. Her mayor storyline was utter bullshit. But I wish she was there to face Malcolm and to fight for Thea. It would have been glorious.


    I always like my favorite characters going down in a blaze of glory rather than taken out like a common criminal. Moira's death imo was so much better than that of Shado's and Sara's.

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  27. Jon21 October 2014 at 14:55

    Depending on how long they keep Sara's fate from Quentin. He could also possibly play the role of the disaproving elder.

    It's actually quite similar. In the comic it was Larry who died, in the show it's Sara. The elder Dinah got cancer, Quentin gets his heart condition. Each contribute as catalysts for Dinah/Laurel's transformation.

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  28. Jon21 October 2014 at 15:01

    This needs a meme...

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  29. MckG21 October 2014 at 15:06

    Hm, well just saying, it could be fun if he did get killed, which wouldn't make sense since this episode the synopsis clearly read that Nyssa and Oliver are going to take the fight to Malcolm. So he might die here, and then only be in flashback form, but I highly doubht it since the producers and everything of this show arej ust utterly in love with John Barrowman, so I think that if the choice is up to them, he'll be around forever...

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  30. Jack662.021 October 2014 at 15:08

    Still haven't watched Arrow yet for the season, and not going to at least until the mid-season finale. Happy though she's in the episode and hoping she's in more. We need some hot females (and god knows there aren't any) just to spice things up now that Sara is dead from what I hear.

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  31. lsbloom21 October 2014 at 15:47

    Yeah, I think we will. Sorry :-( Because for me, given the status of Sara as a character, she wasn't anywhere near leaving her alter ego behind. And to move her forward so fast as to get her there would have negated all of Oliver's character growth. I wouldn't want to see that. Or frankly give up enough screen time as would be necessary to have sister tag team vigilantes. That would be a significant investment in one tertiary character and a primary (but totally unlikable) character. Could they come up with another way? Maybe, but what they did do with Sara's death was so compelling for me. Oliver was looking at two worlds: one under the hood and one out in the open. At the start of the season he thought he could do both. But in this episode, you have Sara (very much accepting of her alter ego) showing him how eventually that life ends and Felicity (or you can look at it from Ray's perspective, whichever) saying hey you can have hope and help the city and live in the light. Sara and Oliver were compelling together because of their damaged similarities, which was nice when he needed acceptance. But once he'd moved past it, there wasn't so much role for her anymore. She was a regression for Oliver. And seeing him not turn towards revenge was awesome. It flipped the trope. This wasn't James Bond committing to never really love, it was Arrow searching for a way to be Oliver again. Again, there wasn't another character or story that could have done that as convincingly. Diggle would have pushed him in the wrong direction. Roy (equally minor to Sara) would have brought in Thea too much--not Oliver mourning but Thea mourning--plus it would be hard to believe it was a significant villain who killed him. Sara was high stakes, high emotional and character arc impact, and minimal plot and loyalty impact.


    But while I can intellectualize the decision, and enjoy the way they worked it out, I really thought Sara was doomed day 1, so I wasn't surprised and I never got attached. If I had counted on her sticking around, I might think differently.

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  32. IvyB21 October 2014 at 16:12

    Oh, that's cool, I was just wondering, since the two are filmed at the same time and she's got a big episode right after, so it's like I expected.

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  33. IvyB21 October 2014 at 16:13

    Yeah, that's what I figured, she's also got a big episode in 3X05, so we'll be seeing a lot of her in that episode instead.

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  34. Bruce_F21 October 2014 at 20:51

    Somehow I don't think Oliver is being dubbed a knight by Nyssa in that photo.

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  35. Samantha Petrelli21 October 2014 at 22:14

    Nyssa!!! Too bad Sara has died...

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