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Definitely Rumbelle! There's absolutely not a single reason to ever NOT love this ship. Nope, not a single tiny reason. Not saying that Rumbelle and Snowing are the ONLY ships that actually make sense in the show. But I am.
I liked all of them. I even could not decide whome I liked Emma best with Bale or Hook. I voted for Hook, but actually just notcied that at the moment I'm most looking forward to Regina and Hood (ahhm Robin).
POSSIBLE: Gepenny = Granny and Gepetto, Rubynstein = dr Whale and Ruby / Viktor Frankenstein with Red, Henace = Grace (Jefferson's daughter) and Henry,
EXISTING: Snowing, right after unrealized Swanfire
I always imagined that: ■ Rumple will be formal father-in-law to Emma... :< ■ Belle as her formal stepother-in-law...:< ■ little sister/brother for Henry...:<
I seem to remember there being some talk about the two possibly getting together should the actress playing Ruby have more time for the show in the future.
I like all the couples in OUAT - after all this is a show about true love but there isn't one perfect kind of love for me, there's so many kinds of love and so many types of families, I think - and I even quite understand that some people are dreaming about Swan Queen, even if this couple doesn't exist in the show. These two actresses are beautiful and seem really kind. Their characters are among the most strong and touching women & mothers in a TV drama nowadays. So I understand why some would love to see them together. That said, on the list my favorite couple is Captain Swan. Then Swanfire and Emma/Graham. So yes I like Emma's character and I think genuinely that she deserves to get an happy ending one day. And I don't care about haters, I just want to enjoy the show as it is, right now. :p 9 days to wait...
SwanFire... There was no better relationship in that show than Bae and Emma's. Writers decided to go for what "fans wanted" apparently and they chose the pirate: someone who dated Bae's mother, who almost kills Belle twice, and who still holds a grudge for Rumplestiltskin.
Neal never hit a women and never murdered anyone. Also Hook left Emma to rot in a cage in Fairytale land. There's a difference between sending someone to jail for a year and letting someone rot in a jail for the rest of their lives.
Other - None. I actually liked this show originally for the story but since it has now turned into one big shipping story I find I lose interest more every year and as I am not a fan of Frozen this may very well be my last year. Wish fans wouldn't become obsessed with shipping to the point that writers fell they have to turn the storyline over to them. This happened with so many shows I like or use to like.
I keep seeing a lot of people going on about how the show is fan-serviced now, but let's get something straight. Captain Swan was always planned, right from season 1, but Adam and Eddy couldn't get the rights to Hook. Secondly, if the writers did what the fans wanted, Swan Queen would be canon. I don't ship SQ, but I know they are the strongest fandom, and if their ship isn't being written that clearly shows that Adam and Eddy aren't writing to please fans. Thirdly, I am sick of seeing all this hate going on towards characters and ships. #StopOnceUponAHate Some of the reasons behind hating characters are disgusting and vile, and are no way associated with a fairy-tale character and what is being said is highly offensive. Fourthly, the Hook hate. Everyone is always going about his bad ways, but do I need to remind you that Regina slaughtered an entire innocent village, killed people for aiding Snow White, took someone's heart and then forced him to do things with her, and has tried to kill Emma multiple times. And are we forgetting that Gold killed man because Bae got a small scratch and his maid, who was mute. But they have been forgiven for the things they have done, but people can't forgive Hook. Yes, he shot and hit Belle, and that is bad, and I get that, but I also know that there are characters on the show who have done worse things, and have been forgiven a little too easily.
Didn't this pool happen a while ago? Sounds quite familiar. Either way the Captain Swan chemistry is brilliant. SwanFire? Yeah I like flashback Neal and Emma, present time were far away from any good scenes. I like the Charmings sometimes as well, but sometimes they are pushing it to hard.
Swan Queen is not canon, but there are people who would like to see these two in a romantic relationship, which is the reason why the option is up there.
True about Neal, he wasn't a murderer and he sent Emma to jail to help her. And yes Hook has done horrible things and he was a villain. There's a difference. So? That's exactly what make Emma&Hook relationship interesting for the story I guess. He's trying to redeem himself for her and we'll see if he can succeed or if he'll keep doing mistakes again and again, quite like Rumple.
Don't get me wrong, I loved Neal and Emma relationship, they were cute and funny together and I really miss Neal, I wanted to see more about him and Henry. I surely didn't want him to die so soon, like Graham! I would have loved if the writers decided to go for SwanFire. But they didn't. My guess is that they decided to kill Neal because of this awful war ships - that they didn't expected.
Also I don't think Captain Swan fans outnumbered SwanFire fans, SQ or Rumbelle fans or were the most loud about their ship. Seriously. I understand why one criticize the writers for the weaknesses on the story telling. But if you don't like the show anymore and can't get over Neal's death, that's easy. Just don't watch it. I'm tired about resentful people who keep insulting the show runners, that's a stupid and childish way to react.
I would like to see writers just WRITE their show to make sense and stay within their vision, because when they go by what internet fans want, it just makes a muddled mess (ahem - LOST). Internet fans want their couples for different reasons, and not all of their reasons are romantic. Some are political/agenda driven and don't even watch the show! Some are because they are fans of a certain actor or actress and are not really emotionally involved in a certain couple, per se. The story is leading to Hook/Emma, Robin/Regina, Rumbelle and Snowing. Please leave it that way!
Captain swan chemistry is on fire,can't wait to see them together create on-screen magic again.Besides them,regina & emma together is also very kick-ass pair IMO!
No "Sweetie". Bagel was Rumple's price to pay for the Dark Curse and Neal's death was foreshadowed in season 1. Because he was was always a plot contirvance. Plus MRJ wanted off.
Also, he's pretend, so they really can't "murder" him. And because A&E write the show, they can make CS happen any way they want it to (and FYI, it WAS already happening). That said, why would they keep an unpopular character (because he was) on the canvas?
While you do make some valid points, sorry--sending Emma to prison was an act of cowardice and abuse. It was not to "help her" (in fact that's an abusive statement in and of itself), nor was it anyone's choice to make for her, robbing her of her agency.
And no, he did NOT do it to save everyone, because a decade later he flatly refused to help AND there was never any reason or tie in the curse that stated Emma needed to spend a decade broken and alone. It was a cowardly, misogynistic choice made by two entitled, selfish men that was not their decision to make.
Hahahaahahaha!!! If that's true then he's a very thin skinned big baby and supremely unprofessional (because criticism over tiny elements is very much an actor's life and job)....and should look for a new line of work. He wanted off because all he did was stand around in the background IDGAFing and thought he could do better elsewhere (though it appears not).
Or let's put it this way: as a contracted regular he was very well paid (probably over a million per year, plus eventual residuals from syndication, etc)....if he was really THAT upset by hate (which BTW, JMo, Colin, A&E etc routinely deal with in much greater amounts, from you BagelSwanners), then he only needed to delegate his social media tasks to his assistant, manager, a PA, etc. Or simply close his account.
Seems to me I could handle a few nasty messages for that kind of $$$$
I don't think you can vote more than once. Unless something is horribly wrong, you should see the information that they have already counted your vote.
Apparently we haven't seen the same show. Neal truly loved Emma and he did obey to August because he knew it was the hard but right thing to do in order to push her toward her destiny. Besides he didn't know Emma was pregnant. He did make a cowardly mistake though when he learned that the curse was broken and didn't go to find her because he was scared. I don't blame him after seeing what horrible childhood he had because of Magic. He apologized later for this and he did redeemed himself finally. He did find a way to go to Neverland to save his family, he sacrificed himself to help Emma and Henry. He wanted her to be happy and find her home, her Tallahassee, even without him. He wanted to be a good father and a hero for his son. He was a human being and did some mistakes, he broke Emma's heart but he was a good man and truly loved her. There's no abuse in SwanFire story, only lot of pain, misunderstood and also tenderness.
Other pairings I really like(d)/love(ed): Emma/Graham, Emma/Neal, Emma/Hook, Regina/Daniel, Regina/Robin, and Rumple/Belle.
Then I have a bunch of non-main character ships that barely had air time like Rudy/Peter, Ella/Thomas and Abigail/Fredrick. The latter mentioned was a big favorite of mine in Season 1. Still hoping beyond hope to see them again just to see them together.
Wow, huge excusing someone's very bad actions: by definition, robbing Emma of her agency (which, yes, making decisions for her without her knowledge or consent IS) is a form of control and abuse. She was 16, which makes her under the age of consent in Oregon, so it was sexual abuse.
There was no reason for Emma to go to prison, we aren't talking about summer camp here, it's a horrible place, where more likely she would've come out a bigger criminal than she went in (statistics bear this out, BTW). And why would Bagel have "obeyed" a person (and renowned liar) that he just met? How did sentencing Emma to a decade of misery push her towards her destiny? Besides another selfish coward saying so---so HE could return to banging hot girls in Phuket?
As for not knowing Emma was pregnant, your argument is problematic on two levels: firstly, as a 324 year old man, who was raised near a farm, I'd hope Bagel would know "where babies come from" and that having unprotected sex (which, BTW, as the adult here WAS his responsibility, since Emma couldn't actually consent) could easily create one.
Additionally, by saying this you're implying Emma herself wasn't good enough to say for, only if he knew she was carrying his kid. See both are highly problematic and reduce her to less than human.
Framing someone for your crime and having them serve your sentence is abusive, manipulating them (which he did non-stop) is abusive, making decisions for another person is abusive and having sex with someone under age is abusive.
Additionally, Neal never apologized to Emma---he laughed at her pain, belittled her, flaunted his fiancee in her face (he only decided he still loved her when Tamara revealed her true self, literally 5 seconds later---which shows how shallow his feelings were. And makes Emma his second choice). He also let Henry continue to think it was EMMA'S fault that he wasn't in Henry's life.
He was not a good man, he was a fatuous, cowardly, entitled, selfish hypocrite---who ran because he wet his pants over his daddy issues. And no at 324 he should've been able to face things.
Sorry but there is no "but" about it. Swan Queen is a crack ship. Emma and Regina both have their respective love interests already on the show. Hook and Hood. If people don't like that oh well. SQ is not an option on the show, the writers have made that statement very clear.
Except if that's true then he's in the wrong business (and is a big baby). He was very well paid and could've just as easily delegated his social media responsibilities to his publicist. Or simply shut them down. Seriously, as an actor you are constantly subjected to criticism...much like the type your shipmates daily hassle A&E, JMo and Colin with. None of them are wanting off.
Which is neither here nor there. It was also A&E's original plan for the show and TBH, they always wrote CS more effectively, because it was the story they chose to write. I love how you keep changing the reasons, BTW. First it was fan service, then it was threats, now it's fan service again.
It's the direction the show runners chose to go with. Time to accept it
Of course it was a mistake to send her to jail. But abuse and misogyny? LOL. I love how everytime somebody dislikes a ship they throw those big words at it because they think it makes their point more valid.
WOW! I really don't want to know what you think about all the other characters in OUAT. Do you remember, it's a show about fairy tales, love and family. -Firstly Emma was 17 and she was a car thief. She was running and living in the streets from stealing. Neal never robbed her from anything. He was running himself. They met by stealing the same car! -Secondly he didn't know she was pregnant because Emma tested positive on a pregnancy test in jail! -Actually there was a good reason for Emma to go into a minimum security prison in Phoenix (11 months). She had to change her behavior, to stop stealing and to become a good person. And then one day her destiny as The Savior would lead her to Storybrooke and to her family. -Neal did apologize to Emma a few times and said that during all this time not a day had gone by that he didn't regret what he had done to her. Do you remember now? - I don't know what or who you are seeing in Neal but you really have crazy and hateful words about ...a character on a TV show.
This is the most ridiculous post I have ever read of SwanFire and Neal but I guess the only characters that are allowed to make mistakes are the ones who look like male models. According to your logic Hook is even worse than Neal. He hit Belle, treat women like crap and left Emma to rot for the rest of her life in a cage in S2.
What would you have the author of the poll do? The Swan Queen enthusiasts make for a large percentage of the fan base, apparently. Regardless of how you feel about the ship, there is really no point pretending it doesn't exist. Also, we are voting for our favourite ships, with no stipulations on whether or not they are likely to happen or happening on the show.
I know it's been going on for a while for OUAT but i've never seen it this bad! The ship wars on Teen Wolf have completely destroyed the show, I hope that doesn't happen for OUAT :P Fortunately I don't really ship much on OUAT anyway so it doesn't effect me much.
I'm afraid the ships war is also killing OUAT. I would like people to be interested by the story, the characters... and stop focusing on their favorite relationships. :-(
At least with OUAT you still see plenty of people saying "I can't wait to see Elsa" or "I can't wait to see Maleficent again", so there are still lots of people watching for the story (including me).
OUAT is following a disturbingly similar path to Teen Wolf though, Teen Wolf also has gay ship which is the most popular but will never be canon. It also has a love triangle similar to Regina/Robin/Marian and a ship that died (like swanfire) and was replaced by another (like captainswan). It also has people only watching for a certain actor or character because of their looks like a lot of people only watch for Hook.
In other words OUAT isn't at where Teen Wolf is at right now but it's well on it's way, hopefully with strong, well hyped villains on the way people will watch more for the story.
Emma was actually 16 (and FYI 17 is still under the age of consent here in Oregon)---she was 16 because she served 11 months and was released prior to her 18th birthday (it's why her record was sealed), which means she couldn't have started serving her sentence later than 3 weeks after her 17th birthday. Given processing, extradition, setting a court date, setting a sentencing date, etc...we're looking at least a month after she got arrested--so she spent her 17th birthday in jail, for Bagel's crime.
Granted I don't think their Epic True Booty Call lasted longer than a couple of months, MAX, but she was still 16 while they were together and again, in PDX, where she was below the age of consent.
Meanwhile, once again, your response is problematic and indicates a remarkable amount of misogyny (and well as not understanding how fate/destiny works):
Nowhere did it ever say Emma had to be a "good person" to break the curse. Additionally, by definition, if it was her destiny to break it, it would happen regardless. Because that's how fate works.
Furthermore, it was AGAIN not for Bagel to make these decisions for Emma---and it's very, very sexist to think it was. Plus why did she need to "learn to be a good person" and not him? Emma stole for survival because she was a runaway, escaping an abusive situation (and thus had no other means to eat)---Neal stole because he felt entitled to do so. To me, the one who needed to learn to be a good person (which BTW, as I stated, prison doesn't accomplish) was Bagel.
It's interesting that you've failed to actually answer any of the points I've made (like the pregnancy points---he knew how babies were made, he had unprotected sex with her, the possibility of a kid was very likely AND Emma herself should've been enough reason to stay), instead simply attempting to reword the argument I had already fully disproven AND then getting upset when I voiced my opinion of what I thought Neal was.
I'm well aware he's pretend (and pointed that out elsewhere)---using that argument then why do you feel so compelled to defend his cowardly actions? Though your defense is really, really weak
Lastly---he chose his actions (all of them) and chose the worst possible ways to go about them---because he was a coward. He could've just easily left her or turned her over to social services, not jail. But he chose to send her to prison because it ensured he could get the furthest away. It didn't help Emma, it devastated her. And as someone abandoned himself, he should've known what it would do. But he didn't care.
His apology was the lamest thing ever----and his actions hardly backed it up. Also, seriously if someone basically ruined my life, a "well I'm sorry" would hardly suffice. Doesn't matter though---he's dead and CS was happening all along.
To your points about Hook---violence is violence, the gender of the person hit is immaterial (and everyone's hit everyone else on the show----also Don Sparkle knocked Ruby out with magic, so you need to hold him accountable, too).
As for the cell: Nope, Hook had no choice there (that's the difference) had he helped Team Princess, Cora would've killed the lot of them. Plus Emma had already betrayed HIM and they were adversaries, so completely different. Neal had promised Emma a home and then abandoned her, when he had a myriad of options. THERE'S the difference.
Actually I think insisting sending someone to prison is helping them is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, but silly me. Oh also, Emma didn't need to become a "better person"---she was fully ready to give up her "life of crime". Bagel sent her because he was a coward.
Actually Colin and JMo chemistry tested together---A&E were planning CS all along. Plus guess what, doesn't matter if YOU like it or not, it's what's happening on the show. So you can sulk while I enjoy my canon ship. Something BagelSwan will never, ever be.
Also, sorry, making dirty jokes is nothing compared to sexually abusing a minor (or if you prefer, statutory rape) and then framing her for your crimes. And yes, robbing a woman of her agency is absolutely misogyny.
I hope you're right about people watching more for the story. I really am excited by season 4, especially by the new -and the old- villains in town, the Snow Queen, Hans, Maleficent, Rumpletiskin...
Whatever ships you support or not support, I don't think the writer's listen to the fans too much. They do, yes, cause at the end of the day no fans no show. In saying that, however, Adam and Eddies have had more than one successful show so I really think they know what they are doing and what they think is believable and real for the show. They are taking the show in the direction it should go. And they have said over and over again, it is not about the ships, the relationships are the stories. IMO Emma would never grow I'd she were with Neal. Hook may not be perfect and like many other characters on the show has made some questionable choices but he does make Emma look at herself in the mirror and be the best she can be, IMO.
WTF!!!!! Emma betrayed him. You can't betrayed someone if you don't know them, they were not in a relationship. And she is right to leave him at the beanstalk. He was a freaking pirate who switches alliances like it is nothing. Wow. That is ridiculous.
Exactly. Hook was a despicable character that I actually enjoyed because because he was an unapologetic villain. I hate him now because the writers ret-con their show to make him a love interest for Emma and to me it is not believable. This man spent 200 years in vengeance for Milah and the writers expect us to believe that he fell in love with Emma in a span of a week after he physically fought her, locked her up in an impossible magic prison, and made rape jokes? Like seriously? That is a badly written romance that people refuse to see because Killy Poo has a nice face.
Using that logic then no one can ever betray anyone unless they're romantically involved, which happens all the time. And also then it makes Bagel's actions that much worse. And it also makes Hook's leaving them in Rumple's cell perfectly fine, because they were adversaries (see? you can't have it both ways).
BTW, it's made quite apparent that Emma double crossed Hook because she felt something for him (as has been confirmed by A&E). Plus if you watch the scene in the cell, Emma even realizes she totally acted as Neal did when she betrayed him and she hates it.
Basically you're saying "it's okay that Emma double crossed Hook, because I didn't like him, anyway"--which nope, things don't work that way. Not to mention how completely obvious it made that had Emma NOT double crossed him, he would never have been forced to rejoin with Cora (who could've easily killed him).
Well then why aren't they on the list if "Swan Queen" is? If they're going to put crack ships on the poll, then nobody will take it seriously. Most of the people who vote for 'Swan Queen' are doing it because they want to be funny. Stop putting it on polls or add all the other non-canon pairings too.
Yeah, yet in the poll your ship accounts for less than 1% while that "badly written romance" garners 35%. BTW, Hook was a lightweight villain...but I do realize that the OTHER trope you BagelSwanners like to drag out.
ITA, where's "Captain Charming", or, the CANON lesbian pairing, "Sleeping Warrior"? Better yet, just have a poll for favorite crack ship. This is getting ridiculous!
Seriously buddy, I'm not upset but I really disagree with you about Neal. And I wish you stop calling me misogynist or sexist, that's offensive, rude and so easy. As a Captain Swan fan I really get tired of defending Neal and SwanFire but as a woman and a mother I'm really choked by your words about it. So the pregnancy points now, since you want my opinion about it. -"he knew how babies were made, he had unprotected sex with her, the possibility of a kid was very likely AND Emma herself should've been enough reason to stay" Yes I totally think he knew how babies were made! I don't know where you've heard in the show that he had unprotected sex with her, but I'm going with this anyway. What do you want me to say here? That Neal has made big mistakes? Yes he did. That he was wrong to let Emma going in jail and to agree with August? Yes he was! All I have said is that he really think it was the right thing to do for her. He really cared about her. That's how the writers have written that story. That's it. -"Nowhere did it ever say Emma had to be a "good person" to break the curse. Additionally, by definition, if it was her destiny to break it, it would happen regardless. Because that's how fate works." Yep actually August said Emma had to be a good person and be back in the right path in order to find her family one day. He told that to Neal. Check yourself please. Oh and when you have 16 you're not a child anymore, but a teenager. And if you're positive that a sixteen years old can take her own decisions, I don't understand why you're seem so shocked that she could fall in love and have sex, safe and protected sex or not. (Besides unfortunately even protected sex isn't sure enough, I can assure you.) (The End)
We know that Emma managed to not get pregnant in the 10 years following the Epic True Booty call, though she was sexually active. Since the Epic True Booty Call was less than two months, a lack of precaution is indicated. Bagel was the adult here (in fact sex with Emma was illegal), the onus was on him to steal a pack of condoms (or visit the free clinic for some). He was irresponsible,
Meanwhile, a 16 year old is absolutely, positively still a child (legally and mentally)---and just because Emma was quite possibly coerced into having sex with an adult man (which is gross, creates an automatic power imbalance and if a man 7 years my teen daughter's age even looked at her, I'd rip his balls off), doesn't NOT make her an adult. Again, you're placing the responsibility on the minor here, not the adult, which is VERY problematic. You're excusing the criminal abuser (because that's what it was) while blaming his victim. As a parent, I'm frankly shocked.
That's August's word (which, BTW, I don't recall---and it's also his fault that Emma fell by the wayside), which Bagel chose over Emma's. Plus she was already fully prepared to give up her life of crime---since the one thing she wanted was a home. So no need for her to go to prison. And not for the two of them (one a sexually abusing thief, the other a hedonistic thief---both cowards with no ethics) to decide for her.
Your argument is sexist because it places all responsibility and blame on the woman (ironically a minor), while absolving two adult men of robbing her of her agency. It's painfully misogynistic and unbelievably antiquated.
Those who support Emma and Regina are not trying to be 'funny,' and it's incredibly rude and insulting of you to say. Whether you like it or not, Swan Queen is a popular ship in the fandom, with many seeing its potential in a possible romance if the writers were ever to go that route.
Obviously they aren't, but that doesn't mean that people should ever stop shipping them. As for why other ships aren't included, the OUAT fandom is basically split in five major ships: Captain Swan, Outlaw Queen, Snowing, Rumbelle, and Swan Queen. This is going by popularity, not what's canon or not.
Oh also? Just rewatched the scenes from Tallahassee---no August never says "Emma needs to learn to be a better person to break the curse" or anything even close to that. He claims it was his job to keep her "on track" (which he never did), he claims that if Bagel "steers clear of her she can have a good life" (which didn't mean prison NOR did Emma have anything approximating a "good life", she spent a decade alone, broken and miserable).
August also promises to "look after her" which consists of promptly stealing the insufficient sum of $$$ and not showing up again until he starts turning back to wood. So he lied. And Bagel believed him because it gave him an excuse to run and rationalize it.
BTW, proving again what a coward he was, Bagel knows Emma's at a minimum security facility in Phoenix. Just because August would reveal which one doesn't mean he couldn't have EASILY found her if he chose to. But instead, he accepted August's lies because he was a pants wetting coward.
And yeah, sending someone to prison for your crimes is a horrible, selfish thing to do and did nothing to help Emma, ever. And frankly, it's again deeply concerning that anyone can rationalize it otherwise.
I hate ship wars, that's why it took me so long to start watching OUAT - I wanted to make sure there wasn't going to be a stupid triangle like on LOST! Where half the fans have to "lose"! It's very obvious who we're supposed to root for on this show, and that's the way I like it!
Well, honestly, Adam & Eddy lie ALL the time. I wouldn't really be wanting that because it means that they purposely had Hook treat Emma like garbage as a precursor to "romance"
No, it's a non-canon ship, not a crack ship. That's not what that means. There are a lot of other 'non-canon' ships being voted for in the comments. SQ is a large fanbase. Deal.
A fan said they saw a knight and a pirate doll in the nursery in the pilot and that it was "genius" to which Adam replied, "thanks!" This confirms nothing other than that Adam appreciates having his ego stroked. But since they have said it many times, perhaps you can cite another example.
But why is she a "hater"? Just because she doesn't like or agree with your ship of choice? Both characters seem to be into men, so attacking her for thinking that Swan Queen was joke seems a little unfair. Fans really need to chill sometimes.
Yeah.....I"ve never understood the hatred and anger towards Hook or towards Mary Margaret and Charming hate. What makes it even more annoying is that most of the hate comes from fans of the two characters who have done the most harm to others on the show. I don't have a problem with people being fans of villains, but it just seem ridiculous for them to attack other characters for doing something far less evil.
I just remember A&E answering about the initial plans they had with Hook when they auditioned Colin O'Donoghue for season2. This was in 2 or 3 interviews I read during the same period when they answered to questions about the dolls in the nursery. I'm not lying here and I'm not defending Captain Swan or A&E. I'm just saying what I remember.
I just answered when. Like I said to Beyond Violet I don't remember where I read it, but it was on interviews at the same time when they answered about the dolls.
I don't try to defend Captain Swan or A&E. I don't try to prove anything. I'm just saying what I do remember and I'm not a liar. Please don't get me wrong.
Hi Vivien! Please refrain from using the term "crackship" to refer to SwanQueen as it is incredibly insulting for the fans of the ship. You say you didn't know, and as I have no way to know if that's true or not, I'll take your word for it.
Now, however, you know that many people ship Emma with Regina. It's not a canon ship but the potential is here and that's why it's so very popular. It's okay if you don't see it/ship it, but be careful which words you use to refer to the ship. Thank you! :)
There are multiple reasons for killing him off: they were annoyed that he demanded off the show (seriously look how little he was used until Quiet Minds---that was done as retribution), he was extremely unpopular with the viewership, his death was foreshadowed all along as Rumple's price to pay AND when Emma told Henry in season 1, his death spurred other story lines (like Don Sparkle going full on BB, which A&E want). They're known for making characters "regulars" with the intention of killing them off to appear "edgy and daring"
Plus it's their show and they can do what they want. I had no problems with it and saw it blended perfectly.
There is a commentary on the season 2 DVDs that say that if Hook/Colin hadn't been so popular, they would've not renewed his contract. He was originally supposed to die in season 2.
Screw the haters, SwanQueen is winning the pool anyways! You go, Swen!
I wouldn't mind SwanFire happening as well and I'm still angry at the writers for killing Neal... I used to be a huge Rumbelle shipper when I started watching OUaT as well, but honestly, recently it looks like Adam&Eddy just don't care about them anymore. I hope it changes in the next season though!
Okay, listen up, Chandler and Jon .. I did not know the definition of 'crack ship' until yesterday, I looked it up on Wikipedia. Now I know, okay? You'd have to be on crack to ship it. LOL. Well, I think a lot of people ship 'crack ships' just because it's funny. I realize that's not true in your case, you truly ship "Swan Queen". Peace.
What I remember from what I read : when they auditioned Colin O'Donogue - at the end of season 1 I guess - they had plans in mind for both actors. But the story was open, especially for Hook. If Captain Hook didn't work for them (including the show runners, the producers and the main cast) or if there was no chemistry with Emma, O'Donogue would go. So the actor himself didn't know if he would stay.
No matter how many twists and turns the writers give the characters they will never have Emma & Regina together as a couple,no matter how much a certain segment of the community want its so...
No Darling, I agree with Melinda...and if they did that because of CS fans than that is the stupidest thing they have ever done on the show...why kill off characters when you can create the ever infamous "love triangle" that every god damn show does....like oh wait, I KNOW! The Marian, Robin, Regina, love triangle...they had no issues with that...and seriously MJR doesn't get as much hate as Katie Cassidy does on Arrow and she's still part of her show and isn't demanding off. Criticism and hate comes with being an actor. Hell it comes with being a person!
The show did fine before and after Neal...he wasn't the main character. The story is about Emma. If they wanted to kill Hook, they could. Granted, I'd be upset...but hell I'd get over it as long as Emma "saves" the story book characters like the show PLOT LINE of the show demands and finds a "happy ending" (cuz hell it's a show about fairy tales) I'd consider the show a success...they've killed off love interests of Emma's before like Graham and yet I see no one saying that killing him was stupid, or killing any other beloved characters...
■ He was the main character in third season and since second half of second season, but without formal status. ■ He was the reason why the Dark Curse was made. ■ He was the reason why Rumple made so many deals. ■ He gave Henry's life ■ and he had impact on Emma's life. ■ But yeah... "he wasn't the main character".
Without Neal, there would be no Henry's and no Emma in Storybrooke
"A" main character yes...THE main character...NO! Trust me sweetheart, I do this for a living...he was a plot point for the story to move forward. Neal and Bae could have been two different people. Bae was the reason Rumple did what he did. And in that...Bae could have been killed off or never been a character period and the story would remain the same. Neal is Henry's birth father and impacted Emma's life but so could have anyone else. Everyone Emma met impacted her life. I'm not saying his character was unimportant but he isn't the main character. In the movie Forrest Gump, Forrest Gump was the main character but everything he did was for Jenny. He was impacted by Jenny but SHE wasn't THE main character. So next time, mind your "A's" and "The's"
Actually we agree on something. What Neal did to Emma was betrayal because that relationship had trust between those two which was violated when he allowed her to go to jail for his crimes. Betrayal doesn't not have to have romantic entanglements. That is why what Emma was not necessarily betrayal in a sense. They were in a temporary alliance and she had absolutely no reason to trust the guy. He switches sides like it is nothing. That is her just being smart. She didn't owe him, didn't know him, and didn't trust him, as she shouldn't. That is quite simple.
The only ones who think Crocodummy, Jr was the main character are BagelSwanners. A&E have specifically said it's Emma's story. Sorry, but no. And TBH, he never was even "A" main character, he was a plot contrivance to explain OTHER characters' motivations and behaviors....and look how easily he was eliminated.
It's hard to be a, let alone THE, main character when all you do is stand in the background, IDGAFing (which, BTW, is why he wanted out)
Well shit...I don't have a gif...I guess you won... oh wait...I do...just because you have a gif doesn't mean it's truth...it just means you've run out of ways to contradict what is the actuality of the situation...
■ He was the main character in third season and since second half of second season, but without formal status. ■ He was the reason why the Dark Curse was made. ■ He was the reason why Rumple made so many deals. ■ He gave Henry's life ■ and he had impact on Emma's life.
Actually no....as all you BagelSwanners like to insist, Emma was DESTINED to break the curse. Per the definition, if something is fated to happen, it's gonna happen. If anything, despite what known liar August said, had Bagel stayed with Emma and told her about magic, she would've been MORE, not less open to it. On her 28th birthday, she would've ridden into SB, kissed her beloved son and poof! no more curse.
Plus ANY child, by any sperm donor (which is what Bagel was) would've been her TL...she just might've lived with him and been happy. Everything you've listed as Bagel being important merely translate to "he was a plot contrivance". And tbh, if Don Sparkle hadn't manipulated, etc---Emma would've grown up happily a princess and Crocodummy, Jr would still be alive, living a magic-free life.
And countless poor people wouldn't have been cursed.
Honestly, I'm not a Swan Queen shipper, but a poll about OUAT ships that had no Swan Queen would make little to no sense to me, 'cause they are undoubtedly one of the biggest fandoms on the show. Besides, I truly believe a relationship would be perfectly acceptable. It won't become canon solely because the writers don't want it to [it's their creative decision, not ours, so there is nothing we can do about that, whether we like it or not. Still, it would make sense and would not be a crazy development, IMO].
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Yes, I know others are going to say, "It isn't happening," but I still hold firm that my favorite ship is Swanfire.
ReplyDeleteDefinitely Rumbelle!
ReplyDeleteThere's absolutely not a single reason to ever NOT love this ship. Nope, not a single tiny reason.
Not saying that Rumbelle and Snowing are the ONLY ships that actually make sense in the show. But I am.
I liked all of them. I even could not decide whome I liked Emma best with Bale or Hook. I voted for Hook, but actually just notcied that at the moment I'm most looking forward to Regina and Hood (ahhm Robin).
ReplyDeleteRegina/happiness:) and I loved how happy she was with Robin in that short time we got so Outlaw Queen:)
ReplyDeleteMy favorite ship is The Jolly Roger (just kidding), no but seriously, it was Swanfire but now is Rumbelle.
ReplyDeleteOutlaw queen for sure, excited about season 4 for them
ReplyDeleteCaptain Swan!!! :D ♥ Although I also like the others ships but my favorite is Hook and Emma!! :)
ReplyDeleteEmma/Graham never forget.
ReplyDeletePOSSIBLE:
ReplyDeleteGepenny = Granny and Gepetto,
Rubynstein = dr Whale and Ruby / Viktor Frankenstein with Red,
Henace = Grace (Jefferson's daughter) and Henry,
EXISTING:
Snowing, right after unrealized Swanfire
I always imagined that:
ReplyDelete■ Rumple will be formal father-in-law to Emma... :<
■ Belle as her formal stepother-in-law...:<
■ little sister/brother for Henry...:<
Sleeping Warrior are my babies.
ReplyDeleteWho? Aurora and Phillip?
ReplyDeleteNo. Aurora & Mulan.
ReplyDeleteThanks!
ReplyDeletewell part of the reason is jamie and sarah bolger's schedule lol but they will surely be back in 4B
ReplyDelete*That* plot twist still makes me smile.
ReplyDeleteRegina and Robin. They've turned me into a shipper, damn...
ReplyDeleteSnowing runner up Rumbelle least favorite CaptainSwan
ReplyDeleteOh, Whale and Ruby would be nice.
ReplyDeleteI seem to remember there being some talk about the two possibly getting together should the actress playing Ruby have more time for the show in the future.
ReplyDeleteRuby/Whale's ship name is Frankenwolf. FYI .
ReplyDeleteThe Jolly Roger
ReplyDeleteWho the hell cares?
ReplyDeletePanhook.
ReplyDeleteI like all the couples in OUAT - after all this is a show about true love but there isn't one perfect kind of love for me, there's so many kinds of love and so many types of families, I think - and I even quite understand that some people are dreaming about Swan Queen, even if this couple doesn't exist in the show. These two actresses are beautiful and seem really kind. Their characters are among the most strong and touching women & mothers in a TV drama nowadays. So I understand why some would love to see them together.
ReplyDeleteThat said, on the list my favorite couple is Captain Swan. Then Swanfire and Emma/Graham. So yes I like Emma's character and I think genuinely that she deserves to get an happy ending one day. And I don't care about haters, I just want to enjoy the show as it is, right now. :p
9 days to wait...
SwanFire... There was no better relationship in that show than Bae and Emma's. Writers decided to go for what "fans wanted" apparently and they chose the pirate: someone who dated Bae's mother, who almost kills Belle twice, and who still holds a grudge for Rumplestiltskin.
ReplyDeleteOh well...
If the writers had chosen to go for SwanFire, the Captain Swan fandom could have said the same things...
ReplyDeleteCaptainCharming! :)
ReplyDeleteMy ship? Captain Swan *o* Passion, truth, chemistry... *o*
ReplyDeleteMe too. After they killed off Neal I quit watching. The show runners listen to the fans way too much.
ReplyDeleteNeal never hit a women and never murdered anyone. Also Hook left Emma to rot in a cage in Fairytale land. There's a difference between sending someone to jail for a year and letting someone rot in a jail for the rest of their lives.
ReplyDeleteOutlaw Queen
ReplyDeleteMy ships = Captain Swan, Outlaw Queen, Snowing, Rumbelle & Sleeping Warrior
ReplyDeleteyou couldn't have said it better Euphemia.
ReplyDeleteOther - None. I actually liked this show originally for the story but since it has now turned into one big shipping story I find I lose interest more every year and as I am not a fan of Frozen this may very well be my last year. Wish fans wouldn't become obsessed with shipping to the point that writers fell they have to turn the storyline over to them. This happened with so many shows I like or use to like.
ReplyDeleteVoted Outlaw Queen only because iit's looking more and more like it might not happen. Captain Swan is a close second.
ReplyDeleteYes! I'm all for Frankenwolf! :3 I voted for SwanQueen though. I love Rumbelle, Snowing and SwanFire too<3
ReplyDeleteMy favorite ships from Once Upon A Time: 1. Captain Swan, 2. Snowing, 3. Outlaw Queen, and an honorable mention for Emma/Graham (Greema).
ReplyDeleteI keep seeing a lot of people going on about how the show is fan-serviced now, but let's get something straight. Captain Swan was always planned, right from season 1, but Adam and Eddy couldn't get the rights to Hook. Secondly, if the writers did what the fans wanted, Swan Queen would be canon. I don't ship SQ, but I know they are the strongest fandom, and if their ship isn't being written that clearly shows that Adam and Eddy aren't writing to please fans. Thirdly, I am sick of seeing all this hate going on towards characters and ships. #StopOnceUponAHate Some of the reasons behind hating characters are disgusting and vile, and are no way associated with a fairy-tale character and what is being said is highly offensive. Fourthly, the Hook hate. Everyone is always going about his bad ways, but do I need to remind you that Regina slaughtered an entire innocent village, killed people for aiding Snow White, took someone's heart and then forced him to do things with her, and has tried to kill Emma multiple times. And are we forgetting that Gold killed man because Bae got a small scratch and his maid, who was mute. But they have been forgiven for the things they have done, but people can't forgive Hook. Yes, he shot and hit Belle, and that is bad, and I get that, but I also know that there are characters on the show who have done worse things, and have been forgiven a little too easily.
ReplyDeleteJeez, I was worried we would NEVER have a poll like this. Thank god. :)
ReplyDeleteAnyway, Outlaw Queen. Snowing is dull and the rest are creepy and disturbing.
Swanfire of course.
ReplyDeleteOut of curiosity, when does this end?
ReplyDeleteSwan Queen should not be up there. All the other couples are canon romantic couples, SQ is not a romantic relationship. It's a brotp.
ReplyDeleteDidn't this pool happen a while ago? Sounds quite familiar.
ReplyDeleteEither way the Captain Swan chemistry is brilliant. SwanFire? Yeah I like flashback Neal and Emma, present time were far away from any good scenes.
I like the Charmings sometimes as well, but sometimes they are pushing it to hard.
Outlaw Queen
ReplyDeleteHad to go with Captain Swann, I love them, I can´t wait for the new season!!!!!! But I also like Swan queen.
ReplyDeleteThey didn't kill Neal because of Captain Swan. They killed him because of scheduling conflicts with Michael Raymond James...
ReplyDeleteShips on OUAT weren't really my thing but I have to say that I found myself rooting for Robin/Regina (Outlaw Queen) more than I thought I would.
ReplyDeleteLOL... Alex... XD
ReplyDeleteSwan Queen is not canon, but there are people who would like to see these two in a romantic relationship, which is the reason why the option is up there.
ReplyDeleteThe Jolly Roger! Captain Swan.
ReplyDeleteI don't dig the Snowing one - they get kind of irritating at times.
Robin and Regina for sure.
ReplyDeleteTrue about Neal, he wasn't a murderer and he sent Emma to jail to help her. And yes Hook has done horrible things and he was a villain. There's a difference. So?
ReplyDeleteThat's exactly what make Emma&Hook relationship interesting for the story I guess. He's trying to redeem himself for her and we'll see if he can succeed or if he'll keep doing mistakes again and again, quite like Rumple.
Don't get me wrong, I loved Neal and Emma relationship, they were cute and funny together and I really miss Neal, I wanted to see more about him and Henry. I surely didn't want him to die so soon, like Graham!
I would have loved if the writers decided to go for SwanFire. But they didn't. My guess is that they decided to kill Neal because of this awful war ships - that they didn't expected.
Also I don't think Captain Swan fans outnumbered SwanFire fans, SQ or Rumbelle fans or were the most loud about their ship. Seriously.
I understand why one criticize the writers for the weaknesses on the story telling. But if you don't like the show anymore and can't get over Neal's death, that's easy. Just don't watch it. I'm tired about resentful people who keep insulting the show runners, that's a stupid and childish way to react.
So agree with you!
ReplyDeleteI would like to see writers just WRITE their show to make sense and stay within their vision, because when they go by what internet fans want, it just makes a muddled mess (ahem - LOST). Internet fans want their couples for different reasons, and not all of their reasons are romantic. Some are political/agenda driven and don't even watch the show! Some are because they are fans of a certain actor or actress and are not really emotionally involved in a certain couple, per se. The story is leading to Hook/Emma, Robin/Regina, Rumbelle and Snowing. Please leave it that way!
ReplyDeleteCaptain swan chemistry is on fire,can't wait to see them together create on-screen magic again.Besides them,regina & emma together is also very kick-ass pair IMO!
ReplyDeleteNo Sweetie. They murdered Neal, "because fans wanted Captain Swan". Ugh...
ReplyDelete"Captain Swan fandom could have said the same things". WHO CARES WHAT THEY WOULD THINK?! Their "ship" is still alive
ReplyDeleteCaptain swan!They're a perfect couple
ReplyDeleteSnowing
ReplyDeletelol
ReplyDeleteSwan Queen and Outlaw Queen. Emma needs a decent love interest. Belle needs to go far, far away from Rumple.
ReplyDeleteDefinitely SwanQueen. The potential is incredible. It may not be canon, but if it ever were to be, many would be pleased.
ReplyDeleteViva la SwanQueen!
His relationship with Emma was statutory rape though.
ReplyDeleteTruth? In the lies?
ReplyDeleteThis weird thing where people retcon Captain Swan back to S1 is so incredibly bizarre. How desperate.
ReplyDeleteI love Captain Swan and Outlaw Queen the most, I would also like Frankenwolf and Sleeping Warrior to happen but I don't really see it :/
ReplyDeleteI was talking about the fact that "writers decided to go for what fans wanted". Sorry to care about all the ships here.
ReplyDeleteThat's not desperate people, that's what Adam Horowitz & Eddy Kitsis said many times. But you have the right to think they're just lying.
ReplyDeleteBest regards
ReplyDeleteSara. FOR YOU it wa that "statutory rape".
ReplyDeleteMy favorite ship is Outlaw Queen but I'm really starting to warm up to Captain Swan.
ReplyDeleteOutlaw Queen ♥
ReplyDeleteAlso love Captain Swan and Sleeping Warrior.
No "Sweetie". Bagel was Rumple's price to pay for the Dark Curse and Neal's death was foreshadowed in season 1. Because he was was always a plot contirvance. Plus MRJ wanted off.
ReplyDeleteAlso, he's pretend, so they really can't "murder" him. And because A&E write the show, they can make CS happen any way they want it to (and FYI, it WAS already happening). That said, why would they keep an unpopular character (because he was) on the canvas?
MRJ wanted off because off Captain Swan fans: insulting e-mails and messages on Twitter etc.
ReplyDeleteWhile you do make some valid points, sorry--sending Emma to prison was an act of cowardice and abuse. It was not to "help her" (in fact that's an abusive statement in and of itself), nor was it anyone's choice to make for her, robbing her of her agency.
ReplyDeleteAnd no, he did NOT do it to save everyone, because a decade later he flatly refused to help AND there was never any reason or tie in the curse that stated Emma needed to spend a decade broken and alone. It was a cowardly, misogynistic choice made by two entitled, selfish men that was not their decision to make.
Snowing <3
ReplyDeleteHahahaahahaha!!! If that's true then he's a very thin skinned big baby and supremely unprofessional (because criticism over tiny elements is very much an actor's life and job)....and should look for a new line of work. He wanted off because all he did was stand around in the background IDGAFing and thought he could do better elsewhere (though it appears not).
ReplyDeleteOr let's put it this way: as a contracted regular he was very well paid (probably over a million per year, plus eventual residuals from syndication, etc)....if he was really THAT upset by hate (which BTW, JMo, Colin, A&E etc routinely deal with in much greater amounts, from you BagelSwanners), then he only needed to delegate his social media tasks to his assistant, manager, a PA, etc. Or simply close his account.
Seems to me I could handle a few nasty messages for that kind of $$$$
When and where have they said that?
ReplyDeleteHook and Emma :)
ReplyDeleteRegina and Robin! (Outlaw Queen)
ReplyDeleteRegina & Emma!
ReplyDeleteOh Yes I also loved Emma and Graham
ReplyDeleteThe fact that you can vote multiple times this poll is stupid.
ReplyDeleteAll the best! :D
ReplyDeleteNeal and Emma always
ReplyDeleteThere's truth in your lies, doubt in your faith... sorry, couldn't resist. (Linkin Park - In Pieces)
ReplyDeleteI don't think you can vote more than once. Unless something is horribly wrong, you should see the information that they have already counted your vote.
ReplyDeletethe best outlawqueen the worse captain swan
ReplyDeleteWOW! Love that pic! :)
ReplyDeleteApparently we haven't seen the same show. Neal truly loved Emma and he did obey to August because he knew it was the hard but right thing to do in order to push her toward her destiny. Besides he didn't know Emma was pregnant.
ReplyDeleteHe did make a cowardly mistake though when he learned that the curse was broken and didn't go to find her because he was scared. I don't blame him after seeing what horrible childhood he had because of Magic. He apologized later for this and he did redeemed himself finally. He did find a way to go to Neverland to save his family, he sacrificed himself to help Emma and Henry. He wanted her to be happy and find her home, her Tallahassee, even without him. He wanted to be a good father and a hero for his son. He was a human being and did some mistakes, he broke Emma's heart but he was a good man and truly loved her. There's no abuse in SwanFire story, only lot of pain, misunderstood and also tenderness.
Snowing. I like the classic true love thing.
ReplyDeleteOther pairings I really like(d)/love(ed): Emma/Graham, Emma/Neal, Emma/Hook, Regina/Daniel, Regina/Robin, and Rumple/Belle.
Then I have a bunch of non-main character ships that barely had air time like Rudy/Peter, Ella/Thomas and Abigail/Fredrick. The latter mentioned was a big favorite of mine in Season 1. Still hoping beyond hope to see them again just to see them together.
Captain Swan followed closely by Snowing
ReplyDeleteWhen they answered to questions about the fact that there was a knight and a pirate in Emma's room in Snow's castle in season 1, for example.
ReplyDeleteWow, huge excusing someone's very bad actions: by definition, robbing Emma of her agency (which, yes, making decisions for her without her knowledge or consent IS) is a form of control and abuse. She was 16, which makes her under the age of consent in Oregon, so it was sexual abuse.
ReplyDeleteThere was no reason for Emma to go to prison, we aren't talking about summer camp here, it's a horrible place, where more likely she would've come out a bigger criminal than she went in (statistics bear this out, BTW). And why would Bagel have "obeyed" a person (and renowned liar) that he just met? How did sentencing Emma to a decade of misery push her towards her destiny? Besides another selfish coward saying so---so HE could return to banging hot girls in Phuket?
As for not knowing Emma was pregnant, your argument is problematic on two levels: firstly, as a 324 year old man, who was raised near a farm, I'd hope Bagel would know "where babies come from" and that having unprotected sex (which, BTW, as the adult here WAS his responsibility, since Emma couldn't actually consent) could easily create one.
Additionally, by saying this you're implying Emma herself wasn't good enough to say for, only if he knew she was carrying his kid. See both are highly problematic and reduce her to less than human.
Framing someone for your crime and having them serve your sentence is abusive, manipulating them (which he did non-stop) is abusive, making decisions for another person is abusive and having sex with someone under age is abusive.
Additionally, Neal never apologized to Emma---he laughed at her pain, belittled her, flaunted his fiancee in her face (he only decided he still loved her when Tamara revealed her true self, literally 5 seconds later---which shows how shallow his feelings were. And makes Emma his second choice). He also let Henry continue to think it was EMMA'S fault that he wasn't in Henry's life.
He was not a good man, he was a fatuous, cowardly, entitled, selfish hypocrite---who ran because he wet his pants over his daddy issues. And no at 324 he should've been able to face things.
Well if SwanQueen is on there, then where are all the other crackships?
ReplyDeleteSorry but there is no "but" about it. Swan Queen is a crack ship. Emma and Regina both have their respective love interests already on the show. Hook and Hood. If people don't like that oh well. SQ is not an option on the show, the writers have made that statement very clear.
ReplyDeleteExcept if that's true then he's in the wrong business (and is a big baby). He was very well paid and could've just as easily delegated his social media responsibilities to his publicist. Or simply shut them down. Seriously, as an actor you are constantly subjected to criticism...much like the type your shipmates daily hassle A&E, JMo and Colin with. None of them are wanting off.
ReplyDeleteYes but the fact is: Neal was erased and Emma is with Hook, just like fans (Captain Swan shippers) wanted.
ReplyDeleteWhich is neither here nor there. It was also A&E's original plan for the show and TBH, they always wrote CS more effectively, because it was the story they chose to write. I love how you keep changing the reasons, BTW. First it was fan service, then it was threats, now it's fan service again.
ReplyDeleteIt's the direction the show runners chose to go with. Time to accept it
Hi there! Can we please not start the ship wars?
ReplyDeleteLet's try to keep it civil. I know it's hard for some people but let's not start, okay?
Wow the ship wars for OUAT are almost as bad as Teen Wolf now...I didn't even think that was possible!
ReplyDeleteRegina and Mary-Margaret!!! Do they have a ship name?:p
ReplyDeleteSnowQueen?
ReplyDeleteI can't tell what most of those ships actually are.
ReplyDeleteScheduling conflicts? That's BS. He didn't start looking for work until they told him they were going to kill him off.
ReplyDeleteOutlaw Queen, of course.
ReplyDeleteOf course it was a mistake to send her to jail. But abuse and misogyny? LOL. I love how everytime somebody dislikes a ship they throw those big words at it because they think it makes their point more valid.
ReplyDeleteWOW! I really don't want to know what you think about all the other characters in OUAT. Do you remember, it's a show about fairy tales, love and family.
ReplyDelete-Firstly Emma was 17 and she was a car thief. She was running and living in the streets from stealing. Neal never robbed her from anything. He was running himself. They met by stealing the same car!
-Secondly he didn't know she was pregnant because Emma tested positive on a pregnancy test in jail!
-Actually there was a good reason for Emma to go into a minimum security prison in Phoenix (11 months). She had to change her behavior, to stop stealing and to become a good person. And then one day her destiny as The Savior would lead her to Storybrooke and to her family.
-Neal did apologize to Emma a few times and said that during all this time not a day had gone by that he didn't regret what he had done to her. Do you remember now?
- I don't know what or who you are seeing in Neal but you really have crazy and hateful words about ...a character on a TV show.
This is the most ridiculous post I have ever read of SwanFire and Neal but I guess the only characters that are allowed to make mistakes are the ones who look like male models.
ReplyDeleteAccording to your logic Hook is even worse than Neal. He hit Belle, treat women like crap and left Emma to rot for the rest of her life in a cage in S2.
And now I totally agree with you! :)
ReplyDeleteShow runners lie all the time.
ReplyDeleteI don't know about Teen Wolf but it's an old issue for OUAT!
ReplyDeleteWhat would you have the author of the poll do? The Swan Queen enthusiasts make for a large percentage of the fan base, apparently. Regardless of how you feel about the ship, there is really no point pretending it doesn't exist. Also, we are voting for our favourite ships, with no stipulations on whether or not they are likely to happen or happening on the show.
ReplyDeleteHA! I'm sure they already have a fandom somewhere, like CaptainFloor (Hook and ...the floor!) has. ;)
ReplyDeleteI know it's been going on for a while for OUAT but i've never seen it this bad! The ship wars on Teen Wolf have completely destroyed the show, I hope that doesn't happen for OUAT :P Fortunately I don't really ship much on OUAT anyway so it doesn't effect me much.
ReplyDeleteSo what? It's not like the poll says what's your favourite CANON ship ... I know it's never going to happen, I neverless like it
ReplyDeleteThis poll and all of TVD polls make so very happy to be a solid anti-shipper.
ReplyDeleteI'm afraid the ships war is also killing OUAT. I would like people to be interested by the story, the characters... and stop focusing on their favorite relationships. :-(
ReplyDeleteAt least with OUAT you still see plenty of people saying "I can't wait to see Elsa" or "I can't wait to see Maleficent again", so there are still lots of people watching for the story (including me).
ReplyDeleteOUAT is following a disturbingly similar path to Teen Wolf though, Teen Wolf also has gay ship which is the most popular but will never be canon. It also has a love triangle similar to Regina/Robin/Marian and a ship that died (like swanfire) and was replaced by another (like captainswan). It also has people only watching for a certain actor or character because of their looks like a lot of people only watch for Hook.
In other words OUAT isn't at where Teen Wolf is at right now but it's well on it's way, hopefully with strong, well hyped villains on the way people will watch more for the story.
Swanfire! :(
ReplyDeleteAlso Rumbelle and Snowing. Those two are beautiful ships.
Nope, try again:
ReplyDeleteEmma was actually 16 (and FYI 17 is still under the age of consent here in Oregon)---she was 16 because she served 11 months and was released prior to her 18th birthday (it's why her record was sealed), which means she couldn't have started serving her sentence later than 3 weeks after her 17th birthday. Given processing, extradition, setting a court date, setting a sentencing date, etc...we're looking at least a month after she got arrested--so she spent her 17th birthday in jail, for Bagel's crime.
Granted I don't think their Epic True Booty Call lasted longer than a couple of months, MAX, but she was still 16 while they were together and again, in PDX, where she was below the age of consent.
Meanwhile, once again, your response is problematic and indicates a remarkable amount of misogyny (and well as not understanding how fate/destiny works):
Nowhere did it ever say Emma had to be a "good person" to break the curse. Additionally, by definition, if it was her destiny to break it, it would happen regardless. Because that's how fate works.
Furthermore, it was AGAIN not for Bagel to make these decisions for Emma---and it's very, very sexist to think it was. Plus why did she need to "learn to be a good person" and not him? Emma stole for survival because she was a runaway, escaping an abusive situation (and thus had no other means to eat)---Neal stole because he felt entitled to do so. To me, the one who needed to learn to be a good person (which BTW, as I stated, prison doesn't accomplish) was Bagel.
It's interesting that you've failed to actually answer any of the points I've made (like the pregnancy points---he knew how babies were made, he had unprotected sex with her, the possibility of a kid was very likely AND Emma herself should've been enough reason to stay), instead simply attempting to reword the argument I had already fully disproven AND then getting upset when I voiced my opinion of what I thought Neal was.
I'm well aware he's pretend (and pointed that out elsewhere)---using that argument then why do you feel so compelled to defend his cowardly actions? Though your defense is really, really weak
Lastly---he chose his actions (all of them) and chose the worst possible ways to go about them---because he was a coward. He could've just easily left her or turned her over to social services, not jail. But he chose to send her to prison because it ensured he could get the furthest away. It didn't help Emma, it devastated her. And as someone abandoned himself, he should've known what it would do. But he didn't care.
His apology was the lamest thing ever----and his actions hardly backed it up. Also, seriously if someone basically ruined my life, a "well I'm sorry" would hardly suffice. Doesn't matter though---he's dead and CS was happening all along.
ReplyDeleteTo your points about Hook---violence is violence, the gender of the person hit is immaterial (and everyone's hit everyone else on the show----also Don Sparkle knocked Ruby out with magic, so you need to hold him accountable, too).
As for the cell: Nope, Hook had no choice there (that's the difference) had he helped Team Princess, Cora would've killed the lot of them. Plus Emma had already betrayed HIM and they were adversaries, so completely different. Neal had promised Emma a home and then abandoned her, when he had a myriad of options. THERE'S the difference.
Actually I think insisting sending someone to prison is helping them is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, but silly me. Oh also, Emma didn't need to become a "better person"---she was fully ready to give up her "life of crime". Bagel sent her because he was a coward.
Actually Colin and JMo chemistry tested together---A&E were planning CS all along. Plus guess what, doesn't matter if YOU like it or not, it's what's happening on the show. So you can sulk while I enjoy my canon ship. Something BagelSwan will never, ever be.
ReplyDeleteAlso, sorry, making dirty jokes is nothing compared to sexually abusing a minor (or if you prefer, statutory rape) and then framing her for your crimes. And yes, robbing a woman of her agency is absolutely misogyny.
I hope you're right about people watching more for the story. I really am excited by season 4, especially by the new -and the old- villains in town, the Snow Queen, Hans, Maleficent, Rumpletiskin...
ReplyDeleteWhatever ships you support or not support, I don't think the writer's listen to the fans too much. They do, yes, cause at the end of the day no fans no show. In saying that, however, Adam and Eddies have had more than one successful show so I really think they know what they are doing and what they think is believable and real for the show. They are taking the show in the direction it should go. And they have said over and over again, it is not about the ships, the relationships are the stories. IMO Emma would never grow I'd she were with Neal. Hook may not be perfect and like many other characters on the show has made some questionable choices but he does make Emma look at herself in the mirror and be the best she can be, IMO.
ReplyDeleteThen I guess you can just sulkily read fanfic and continue to rework canon. Too bad...Because they really don't care what you think!
ReplyDeleteNot to worry, fairy dust doesn't lie! OQ is my #2 ship, as well.
ReplyDeleteActually he wanted off the show because they weren't using him enough. It was all leaked by a PA.
ReplyDeleteAnd fans make up things to fit their vision all the time, too!
ReplyDeleteWTF!!!!! Emma betrayed him. You can't betrayed someone if you don't know them, they were not in a relationship. And she is right to leave him at the beanstalk. He was a freaking pirate who switches alliances like it is nothing. Wow. That is ridiculous.
ReplyDeleteExactly. Hook was a despicable character that I actually enjoyed because because he was an unapologetic villain. I hate him now because the writers ret-con their show to make him a love interest for Emma and to me it is not believable. This man spent 200 years in vengeance for Milah and the writers expect us to believe that he fell in love with Emma in a span of a week after he physically fought her, locked her up in an impossible magic prison, and made rape jokes? Like seriously? That is a badly written romance that people refuse to see because Killy Poo has a nice face.
ReplyDeleteOh i forgot about Hans! They've really set themselves up for a fantastic season, I hope it doesn't disappoint :)
ReplyDeleteUsing that logic then no one can ever betray anyone unless they're romantically involved, which happens all the time. And also then it makes Bagel's actions that much worse. And it also makes Hook's leaving them in Rumple's cell perfectly fine, because they were adversaries (see? you can't have it both ways).
ReplyDeleteBTW, it's made quite apparent that Emma double crossed Hook because she felt something for him (as has been confirmed by A&E). Plus if you watch the scene in the cell, Emma even realizes she totally acted as Neal did when she betrayed him and she hates it.
Basically you're saying "it's okay that Emma double crossed Hook, because I didn't like him, anyway"--which nope, things don't work that way. Not to mention how completely obvious it made that had Emma NOT double crossed him, he would never have been forced to rejoin with Cora (who could've easily killed him).
Well then why aren't they on the list if "Swan Queen" is? If they're going to put crack ships on the poll, then nobody will take it seriously. Most of the people who vote for 'Swan Queen' are doing it because they want to be funny. Stop putting it on polls or add all the other non-canon pairings too.
ReplyDeleteYeah, yet in the poll your ship accounts for less than 1% while that "badly written romance" garners 35%. BTW, Hook was a lightweight villain...but I do realize that the OTHER trope you BagelSwanners like to drag out.
ReplyDeleteDefinitely the Jolly Rogers
ReplyDeleteITA, where's "Captain Charming", or, the CANON lesbian pairing, "Sleeping Warrior"? Better yet, just have a poll for favorite crack ship. This is getting ridiculous!
ReplyDeleteswanfire, i miss baelfire/neal
ReplyDeleteSwan Queen.
ReplyDeleteAnd let the ship wars begin....
ReplyDeleteFave is Emma and Hook!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteObviously concerning the show, the main four couples in narrative and development. Its why i watch the show and follow the story and build up
Seriously buddy, I'm not upset but I really disagree with you about Neal. And I wish you stop calling me misogynist or sexist, that's offensive, rude and so easy.
ReplyDeleteAs a Captain Swan fan I really get tired of defending Neal and SwanFire but as a woman and a mother I'm really choked by your words about it.
So the pregnancy points now, since you want my opinion about it.
-"he knew how babies were made, he had unprotected sex with her, the
possibility of a kid was very likely AND Emma herself should've been
enough reason to stay" Yes I totally think he knew how babies were made! I don't know where you've heard in the show that he had unprotected sex with her, but I'm going with this anyway. What do you want me to say here? That Neal has made big mistakes? Yes he did. That he was wrong to let Emma going in jail and to agree with August? Yes he was!
All I have said is that he really think it was the right thing to do for her. He really cared about her. That's how the writers have written that story. That's it.
-"Nowhere did it ever say Emma had to be a "good person" to break the
curse. Additionally, by definition, if it was her destiny to break it,
it would happen regardless. Because that's how fate works." Yep actually August said Emma had to be a good person and be back in the right path in order to find her family one day. He told that to Neal. Check yourself please.
Oh and when you have 16 you're not a child anymore, but a teenager. And if you're positive that a sixteen years old can take her own decisions, I don't understand why you're seem so shocked that she could fall in love and have sex, safe and protected sex or not. (Besides unfortunately even protected sex isn't sure enough, I can assure you.)
(The End)
We know that Emma managed to not get pregnant in the 10 years following the Epic True Booty call, though she was sexually active. Since the Epic True Booty Call was less than two months, a lack of precaution is indicated. Bagel was the adult here (in fact sex with Emma was illegal), the onus was on him to steal a pack of condoms (or visit the free clinic for some). He was irresponsible,
ReplyDeleteMeanwhile, a 16 year old is absolutely, positively still a child (legally and mentally)---and just because Emma was quite possibly coerced into having sex with an adult man (which is gross, creates an automatic power imbalance and if a man 7 years my teen daughter's age even looked at her, I'd rip his balls off), doesn't NOT make her an adult. Again, you're placing the responsibility on the minor here, not the adult, which is VERY problematic. You're excusing the criminal abuser (because that's what it was) while blaming his victim. As a parent, I'm frankly shocked.
That's August's word (which, BTW, I don't recall---and it's also his fault that Emma fell by the wayside), which Bagel chose over Emma's. Plus she was already fully prepared to give up her life of crime---since the one thing she wanted was a home. So no need for her to go to prison. And not for the two of them (one a sexually abusing thief, the other a hedonistic thief---both cowards with no ethics) to decide for her.
Your argument is sexist because it places all responsibility and blame on the woman (ironically a minor), while absolving two adult men of robbing her of her agency. It's painfully misogynistic and unbelievably antiquated.
Those who support Emma and Regina are not trying to be 'funny,' and it's incredibly rude and insulting of you to say. Whether you like it or not, Swan Queen is a popular ship in the fandom, with many seeing its potential in a possible romance if the writers were ever to go that route.
ReplyDeleteObviously they aren't, but that doesn't mean that people should ever stop shipping them. As for why other ships aren't included, the OUAT fandom is basically split in five major ships: Captain Swan, Outlaw Queen, Snowing, Rumbelle, and Swan Queen. This is going by popularity, not what's canon or not.
Now please. Stop with the hate.
YES!!!! all the freaking way!!
ReplyDeleteVOTE FOR SWAN FIRE IN THIS POLL!!! http://poll.fm/4yb8s
ReplyDeleteCaptain Swan forever!! <3
ReplyDeleteSorry, I'm new to OUAT, and today is the first I ever heard of "Swan Queen", I thought it was a joke. Didn't mean to be hateful to anybody.
ReplyDeleteShe wasn't being hateful,she didn't know.
ReplyDeleteAnd you could have been a little less defensive in your response,it was pretty obvious Vivien didn't know.
OUaT has had ship wars since season one,it definitely isn't new and yes its bad...ridiculously bad.
ReplyDeleteEmma & Hook ....
ReplyDeleteYeah, considering they represent less than 1% of the results, they need all the help they can get, huh?
ReplyDeleteOh also? Just rewatched the scenes from Tallahassee---no August never says "Emma needs to learn to be a better person to break the curse" or anything even close to that. He claims it was his job to keep her "on track" (which he never did), he claims that if Bagel "steers clear of her she can have a good life" (which didn't mean prison NOR did Emma have anything approximating a "good life", she spent a decade alone, broken and miserable).
ReplyDeleteAugust also promises to "look after her" which consists of promptly stealing the insufficient sum of $$$ and not showing up again until he starts turning back to wood. So he lied. And Bagel believed him because it gave him an excuse to run and rationalize it.
BTW, proving again what a coward he was, Bagel knows Emma's at a minimum security facility in Phoenix. Just because August would reveal which one doesn't mean he couldn't have EASILY found her if he chose to. But instead, he accepted August's lies because he was a pants wetting coward.
And yeah, sending someone to prison for your crimes is a horrible, selfish thing to do and did nothing to help Emma, ever. And frankly, it's again deeply concerning that anyone can rationalize it otherwise.
I hate ship wars, that's why it took me so long to start watching OUAT - I wanted to make sure there wasn't going to be a stupid triangle like on LOST! Where half the fans have to "lose"! It's very obvious who we're supposed to root for on this show, and that's the way I like it!
ReplyDeleteIf they listened to the fans, Swan Queen would be canon by now, considering they have the largest fandom
ReplyDeleteNo, the actual canon of the show and the law of the places they were living.
ReplyDeleteWell, honestly, Adam & Eddy lie ALL the time. I wouldn't really be wanting that because it means that they purposely had Hook treat Emma like garbage as a precursor to "romance"
ReplyDeleteThat didn't answer either question.
ReplyDeleteNo, it's a non-canon ship, not a crack ship. That's not what that means. There are a lot of other 'non-canon' ships being voted for in the comments. SQ is a large fanbase. Deal.
ReplyDeleteThere are no crack ships on that list. It's a large non-canon ship.
ReplyDeleteHow many accounts are you currently posting under?
ReplyDeleteUm, but that would be QUEER. The straightest, most racist and sexist Disney show wouldn't do that.
ReplyDeleteA fan said they saw a knight and a pirate doll in the nursery in the pilot and that it was "genius" to which Adam replied, "thanks!" This confirms nothing other than that Adam appreciates having his ego stroked. But since they have said it many times, perhaps you can cite another example.
ReplyDeleteYou can always say "no", but you won't change the truth.
ReplyDeleteYES!
ReplyDeleteBut why is she a "hater"? Just because she doesn't like or agree with your ship of choice? Both characters seem to be into men, so attacking her for thinking that Swan Queen was joke seems a little unfair. Fans really need to chill sometimes.
ReplyDeleteAll of them ! But don't forget Swanfire and Frankenwolf ♥ But I keep thinking CapitainWicked ( Hook and Zelena ) could had been perfect !
ReplyDeleteYeah.....I"ve never understood the hatred and anger towards Hook or towards Mary Margaret and Charming hate. What makes it even more annoying is that most of the hate comes from fans of the two characters who have done the most harm to others on the show. I don't have a problem with people being fans of villains, but it just seem ridiculous for them to attack other characters for doing something far less evil.
ReplyDeleteI just remember A&E answering about the initial plans they had with Hook when they auditioned Colin O'Donoghue for season2. This was in 2 or 3 interviews I read during the same period when they answered to questions about the dolls in the nursery.
ReplyDeleteI'm not lying here and I'm not defending Captain Swan or A&E.
I'm just saying what I remember.
I just answered when. Like I said to Beyond Violet I don't remember where I read it, but it was on interviews at the same time when they answered about the dolls.
ReplyDeleteI don't try to defend Captain Swan or A&E. I don't try to prove anything. I'm just saying what I do remember and I'm not a liar.
Please don't get me wrong.
I don't know about the fact that they are lying. But yes Hook was purposely a villain and a murderer on season 2.
ReplyDeleteHi Vivien! Please refrain from using the term "crackship" to refer to SwanQueen as it is incredibly insulting for the fans of the ship. You say you didn't know, and as I have no way to know if that's true or not, I'll take your word for it.
ReplyDeleteNow, however, you know that many people ship Emma with Regina. It's not a canon ship but the potential is here and that's why it's so very popular. It's okay if you don't see it/ship it, but be careful which words you use to refer to the ship.
Thank you! :)
I love Swan Queen shippers but I'm so Outlaw Queen myself.
ReplyDeleteAnd a lot of characters ARE dead!
ReplyDeleteThere are multiple reasons for killing him off: they were annoyed that he demanded off the show (seriously look how little he was used until Quiet Minds---that was done as retribution), he was extremely unpopular with the viewership, his death was foreshadowed all along as Rumple's price to pay AND when Emma told Henry in season 1, his death spurred other story lines (like Don Sparkle going full on BB, which A&E want). They're known for making characters "regulars" with the intention of killing them off to appear "edgy and daring"
Plus it's their show and they can do what they want. I had no problems with it and saw it blended perfectly.
There is a commentary on the season 2 DVDs that say that if Hook/Colin hadn't been so popular, they would've not renewed his contract. He was originally supposed to die in season 2.
ReplyDeleteScrew the haters, SwanQueen is winning the pool anyways! You go, Swen!
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't mind SwanFire happening as well and I'm still angry at the writers for killing Neal... I used to be a huge Rumbelle shipper when I started watching OUaT as well, but honestly, recently it looks like Adam&Eddy just don't care about them anymore. I hope it changes in the next season though!
Okay, listen up, Chandler and Jon .. I did not know the definition of 'crack ship' until yesterday, I looked it up on Wikipedia. Now I know, okay? You'd have to be on crack to ship it. LOL. Well, I think a lot of people ship 'crack ships' just because it's funny. I realize that's not true in your case, you truly ship "Swan Queen". Peace.
ReplyDeleteWhat I remember from what I read : when they auditioned Colin O'Donogue - at the end of season 1 I guess - they had plans in mind for both actors. But the story was open, especially for Hook. If Captain Hook didn't work for them (including the show runners, the producers and the main cast) or if there was no chemistry with Emma, O'Donogue would go. So the actor himself didn't know if he would stay.
ReplyDeleteNo matter how many twists and turns the writers give the characters they will never have Emma & Regina together as a couple,no matter how much a certain segment of the community want its so...
ReplyDeleteThat would be ridiculous, sorry if I'm offending anybody, but c'mon. RME
ReplyDeleteThis I love Outlaw Queen, just because Regina was finally happy.
ReplyDeleteWell, welcome over to Spoiler TV. Different from Hypable, but still debate-worthy.
ReplyDeleteNo Darling, I agree with Melinda...and if they did that because of CS fans than that is the stupidest thing they have ever done on the show...why kill off characters when you can create the ever infamous "love triangle" that every god damn show does....like oh wait, I KNOW! The Marian, Robin, Regina, love triangle...they had no issues with that...and seriously MJR doesn't get as much hate as Katie Cassidy does on Arrow and she's still part of her show and isn't demanding off. Criticism and hate comes with being an actor. Hell it comes with being a person!
ReplyDeleteI would like to thank you for your comments!
ReplyDeleteActually, th've done "the stupidest thing (...) on the show". They killed off Neal,
ReplyDeleteThe show did fine before and after Neal...he wasn't the main character. The story is about Emma. If they wanted to kill Hook, they could. Granted, I'd be upset...but hell I'd get over it as long as Emma "saves" the story book characters like the show PLOT LINE of the show demands and finds a "happy ending" (cuz hell it's a show about fairy tales) I'd consider the show a success...they've killed off love interests of Emma's before like Graham and yet I see no one saying that killing him was stupid, or killing any other beloved characters...
ReplyDelete■ He was the main character in third season and since second half of second season, but without formal status.
ReplyDelete■ He was the reason why the Dark Curse was made.
■ He was the reason why Rumple made so many deals.
■ He gave Henry's life
■ and he had impact on Emma's life.
■ But yeah... "he wasn't the main character".
Without Neal, there would be no Henry's and no Emma in Storybrooke
WOW!!! You are quite presumptuous lol. I don't even ship Neal and Emma together. Get your facts correct.
ReplyDelete"A" main character yes...THE main character...NO! Trust me sweetheart, I do this for a living...he was a plot point for the story to move forward. Neal and Bae could have been two different people. Bae was the reason Rumple did what he did. And in that...Bae could have been killed off or never been a character period and the story would remain the same. Neal is Henry's birth father and impacted Emma's life but so could have anyone else. Everyone Emma met impacted her life. I'm not saying his character was unimportant but he isn't the main character. In the movie Forrest Gump, Forrest Gump was the main character but everything he did was for Jenny. He was impacted by Jenny but SHE wasn't THE main character. So next time, mind your "A's" and "The's"
ReplyDeleteActually we agree on something. What Neal did to Emma was betrayal because that relationship had trust between those two which was violated when he allowed her to go to jail for his crimes. Betrayal doesn't not have to have romantic entanglements. That is why what Emma was not necessarily betrayal in a sense. They were in a temporary alliance and she had absolutely no reason to trust the guy. He switches sides like it is nothing. That is her just being smart. She didn't owe him, didn't know him, and didn't trust him, as she shouldn't. That is quite simple.
ReplyDeleteNo, because story would be completly different, and he was the main character,
ReplyDeleteThank you for simply just restating what you said earlier...
ReplyDeleteThe only ones who think Crocodummy, Jr was the main character are BagelSwanners. A&E have specifically said it's Emma's story. Sorry, but no. And TBH, he never was even "A" main character, he was a plot contrivance to explain OTHER characters' motivations and behaviors....and look how easily he was eliminated.
ReplyDeleteIt's hard to be a, let alone THE, main character when all you do is stand in the background, IDGAFing (which, BTW, is why he wanted out)
Well shit...I don't have a gif...I guess you won... oh wait...I do...just because you have a gif doesn't mean it's truth...it just means you've run out of ways to contradict what is the actuality of the situation...
ReplyDelete■ He was the main character in third season and since second half of second season, but without formal status.
ReplyDelete■ He was the reason why the Dark Curse was made.
■ He was the reason why Rumple made so many deals.
■ He gave Henry's life
■ and he had impact on Emma's life.
My facts versus your interpretations...
Actually no....as all you BagelSwanners like to insist, Emma was DESTINED to break the curse. Per the definition, if something is fated to happen, it's gonna happen. If anything, despite what known liar August said, had Bagel stayed with Emma and told her about magic, she would've been MORE, not less open to it. On her 28th birthday, she would've ridden into SB, kissed her beloved son and poof! no more curse.
ReplyDeletePlus ANY child, by any sperm donor (which is what Bagel was) would've been her TL...she just might've lived with him and been happy. Everything you've listed as Bagel being important merely translate to "he was a plot contrivance". And tbh, if Don Sparkle hadn't manipulated, etc---Emma would've grown up happily a princess and Crocodummy, Jr would still be alive, living a magic-free life.
And countless poor people wouldn't have been cursed.
Honestly, I'm not a Swan Queen shipper, but a poll about OUAT ships that had no Swan Queen would make little to no sense to me, 'cause they are undoubtedly one of the biggest fandoms on the show. Besides, I truly believe a relationship would be perfectly acceptable. It won't become canon solely because the writers don't want it to [it's their creative decision, not ours, so there is nothing we can do about that, whether we like it or not. Still, it would make sense and would not be a crazy development, IMO].
ReplyDeleteBecause you say it is and posted a gif? Nope, your debating skills are weakening, try again
ReplyDeleteUmm, I live in Oregon. It was, per our state laws, statutory rape.
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