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USD POLL : What same sex unofficial ship should be made official/cannon?

14 Jun 2015



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450 comments:

  1. John/Sherlock all the way baby :)

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  2. Lexa and Clarke of course!

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  3. Ah, I know there will be tons of SwanQueen shippers, but I rather trust in SleepingWarrior that truly was addressed onscreen. ^^

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  4. I have seen many of these shows and very few of them have ships on them. And i am not sure what you mean about same sex ships, ships don't have sex

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  5. Missing Ravi and Major (Rajor) in Izombie and Peyton and Liv (Livton), also missing the plastics posse from Greys Anatomy

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  6. I would say someone had to many wet dreams. 0.o Some of these are pulled out of nowhere.
    Lol at Cisco-Barry.

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  7. Root/Shaw and Clarke/Lexa are canon and official though. There were clear indication of feelings and a kiss for each pairing.

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  8. Gaia Di Lorenzo14 June 2015 at 11:22

    i ship both SwanQueen & CaptainSwan so can't say. To me SQ is canon even without being it. Same for Clexa. I like all ships of the 100. I finished S2 and I feel bad for shipping Kabby and OctaviaxLicoln hard. I read S3 spoilers. Hope Linctavia won't end... :( I LOVED FinnxClark. Sorry he's gone. I don't mind if Bellarke will happen and be canon but Clexa rocks, so I don't know. Sterek rocked till Malia arrived but I know Stydia will win so I am prepared.

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  9. Root and Shaw = Shoot...^_^

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  10. Truly was addressed? It was hinted that Mulan lived Aurora but left vague enough for a lot of people to think she had feelings for Philip. As for Aurora, she never even knew about Mulan's feelings. Sleeping Warrior was a joke.

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  11. Once Upon A Time has the jolly roger, and apparently, it's a she...

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  12. Some of them are canon, though. Root/Shaw, Lexa/Clarke, Amy/Karma, Tamsin/Bo, Tony/Felix. Unless there's another definition for the word canon, such as 'people who are in a relationship'.

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  13. Root and Shaw is canon tho

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  14. Clarke and Lexa are considered an unofficial ship?Seems weird..
    But admittedly,I'm not quite clear on the definition of an official/canon ship..Is there one?


    I'm not familiar with a lot of these couples,but it would be nice to see Clarke and Lexa interact again (in any way).
    Also,I'd like to see a little more of Mulan and Aurora and how this works out.But I don't see that happening any time soon.

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  15. Uhm... aren't Root and Shaw canon already? I mean, they kissed and Root is obviously in love with Shaw.

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  16. Ward/Fitz? Really people???

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  17. Why does POI win every poll now?

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  18. Yeah i understand that :D but it even wins the polls that have nth to do with the quality of the show

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  19. What a beautiful cannon. But where's the ship?

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  20. Because the show is in danger and the fans have woken up.

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  21. Root and Shaw ARE canon! There was a kiss; like what more needs to be there for them to be considered canon?


    EMMA AND REGINA would be the twist OUAT needs to be something memorable. I shipped CS when they were Buffy and Spike and I shipped OQ when they where Piper and Leo and both of those old ships where written much, much better, more likable and believable. It's such a shame because OUAT could be so good and it constantly just falls flat because of the weak built ups and storytelling.

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  22. ☆ Kaily Russell ❤14 June 2015 at 12:09

    Because we're constantly active online with these types of things.

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  23. This is one weird poll.LOL!
    I voted for Nysaa & Laurel.I almost went for SwanQueen but i can't betray Hook!

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  24. Fitz/Ward!!! Sure by all means let's ship Fitz with the man who tried to kill him and gave him permanent brain damage.
    Laurel/Nyssa!! Yaay another sister swap.
    Felicity/Laurel! Yes plz and let's have a sweet romantic scene where they compare notes about Oliver.
    What's wrong with people?

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  25. I literally adore Ragnar and Athelstan from Vikings. I also think that it's one of those relationships that you can't define with a special coming out or something like that.


    Ragnar has loved him unconditionally and it's already canon.

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  26. I know, right?

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  27. Here: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/Amerigo_vespucci_1976_nyc_aufgetakelt.jpg

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  28. And here we thought Skye/Ward was a cringeworthy pair!! Smh

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  29. Scott/Any guy on Teen Wolf.

    He's so shippable with everyone, I'd totally believe it too if they made one canon.

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  30. The problem is that a canon same sex relationship was teased pretty explicitly by the creators and apparently SleepingWarrior is what they meant. So disappointing for fans. (I voted for SwanQueen, my shout into the Disney void)

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  31. Whats with the 'Should' If the writers wanted to have a gay/lesbian couple then they would have written it into the storyline,period. There is no should.

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  32. Clarke/Octavia? WTF. Ward/Fitz? Even though I don't watch the show anymore, I know that for a clusterfuck of an idea. Cisco/Barry?

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  33. Oh come off it, Ward SAVED Fitz by dropping him into the ocean! What a knight in a shining armor. If you don't get that, you're "vilifying abuse victims". (I don't know what that actually means but it sounds like a cool SJW term, so...)

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  34. You can say the same about every single thing fans wish would happen.

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  35. Skimmons (AoS) would be cute.

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  36. You make it sound like POI has been winning polls for a long time but it only started winning in the past 2 or 3 polls. Now take Supernatural, they won every poll for 3 or 4 years straight.

    What do you mean by your comment,they win polls that have nothing to do with the quality?

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  37. Haha. I hate that some people try to make him a victim and excuse his actions (he was a victim but that doesn't give him a free pass to slaughter and betray people) and when we judge Ward for the unspeakable things he did, they make us sound like incompassionate jerks.

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  38. Supernatural NOT winning polls now just shows how badly Carver has ruined what used to be my favorite show.

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  39. It's very unsettling that most of the people on the list are straight. It's absolutely about what the fans want. It has nothing to do with the story or even the characters. We like person A and person B so the show "should" put them together regardless of anything.

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  40. What i mean with that is that it is winning polls like best fighting sequence (where it was close to winning) or this poll. Both polls have nothing to do with how excellent the show is. If there were a poll that said: what is thr best show on Network TV and it was winning, I Would completely understand.

    I was just wondering why all of a sudden it was winning all these things

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  41. Agreed! I'd love to know what fan ships Reese and Finch! If ever there were two straight people,lol!!!

    These polls drive me crazy!

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  42. Clarke and Lexa did kiss, but they are hardly a couple. I mean Lexa did abandon Clarke and company to die at the hands of the Mountain Men. Even before that they were not a couple.

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  43. In all fairness a container like that would've normally floated over the water, so the show actually had Fitz give a rationalization of why it'd sink into the ocean - I think it was something about it adapting its mass to be usable by SHIELD submarines. It's unknown whether Ward knew how the container worked, though.


    The biggest problem of dropping Fitz and Simmons into the ocean, I think, was that Ward didn't want to choose between two people he loved, Garrett and Fitz; dropping the container out of the plane was, thus, a fence straddler option that could've lead to their deaths even if it didn't sink into the ocean - there was no guarantee, after all, that there'd be a radio in there for Fitzsimmons to use to call for help. So yeah, while I think he didn't intend to harm them he clearly doesn't think things through and that always end up hurting the people he loves. Even Garrett, might I add - Fury rescuing Fitzsimmons led to him finding Coulson and giving him the Destroyer Gun, which helped even the odds against Garrett, leading to his demise.

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  44. I enjoyed their relationship prior to Ward's betrayal, but these days it doesn't make much sense indeed.

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  45. Seems odd to ship them given that Ward tried to kill Fitz.

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  46. True, but when it comes to this particular topic the fans can and do take it a little too far.They hound the writers,they hound the showrunners with their demands like they have the right to shape the characters and storyline to fit their wishes.

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  47. Because the show's episodes got cut in half and it was pulled to midseason, so they are fighting for their show to survive. It happens a lot when a show is suddenly in danger.

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  48. Tomáš Petrík14 June 2015 at 13:12

    Finch and Reese? What? O_o Why?

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  49. Yeah but the question says "unofficial ship that should be made official/canon" and if we stick to the wording, Clarke and Lexa are already canon. Lexa made her feelings for Clarke pretty clear to Clarke and the audience. Clarke was also pretty clear when she said she just wasn't ready yet. So, to me, they are canon because it did happen in the show. The definition of "official and canon" should have been given. I don't really see how Clarke/Lexa and Root/Shaw (probably others, I don't watch all the shows listed) are in the same poll as Clarke/Octavia and Reese/Finch, for example.

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  50. I couldn't say it any better than Dahne just did!

    Don't forget we still have Best Series Competition coming up,so POI could pull that one off.

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  51. The creators are a bit of a joke. I guess we'll see when the show ends, but it's pretty shitty from their part (or Disney? I don't know) to have teased a queer romance and then give people a half-baked, one-sided, never to be heard again "romance".

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  52. Huh? I didn't get any of this from what Ward actually said in the show.

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  53. And they are more and more. I've never understood why people must want characters who are of persuasion to suddenly become another. This drove me mad with the Dean and Castiel stuff. If Kurt from Glee suddenly fell in love with Rachel, people would be up in arms.

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  54. I wonder, would you think the same thing if the poll was about hetero couples? For example, Bellamy/Clarke or Finch/Root, or Laurel/Oliver? It's a genuine question and I'm not trying to insinuate anything, I swear. I just wonder.

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  55. Ha, this is a fun poll.
    I voted Emma and Regina because I would love to see how that relationship would unfold, but I don't think it'll ever happen and that's fine with me, though it'd be fun to watch.
    Max and Caroline also has potential

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  56. I think it should be "would you like to see".
    The poll poses a fun question to toy with, but it shouldn't be an imperative or a must happen

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  57. For startes, Ward deserves to die alone. And if he is to wind up with someone, Fitz is the last person he could end up with.

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  58. If you take everything that is said in the show at face value you'll miss a lot of subtext and even hints of future storylines. Example 1: Cal says to Whitehall in 2x08 "The Things We Bury" that his plan was to be reunited with his family in the Afterlife; the audience took as granted at the time that he meant death, but as it turned out he was actually talking about the secret community Jiaying had set up for the Inhumans. Example 2: The song being played during Skye's nightmare in 2x09 "Ye Who Enter Here" is "Daisy Bell", a clear clue that they intended to reveal her to be Daisy Johnson/Quake. So yeah, try to read between the lines what characters say and do and you can see that they're far more complex than they appear to be on screen. Even Ward.

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  59. In many ways subtext just means seeing what you want to see, especially with TV fans. I'll stick to canon.

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  60. Goodbye Revenge, ∞x∞14 June 2015 at 13:35

    Wow I loved this poll! I voted for Jack and Nolan because I feel like the sort of had a bromance going on and I think it would be so interesting to see their relationship if they were dating. Plus I'd love to see what kind of father Nolan would have been to Carl!

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  61. Goodbye Revenge, ∞x∞14 June 2015 at 13:38

    Yes these are all imaginary ships. So if one of these ships would happen between which two people would you want it. And by same sex they just mean the ship you are choosing has to be male/male or female/female. So for instance I chose Nolan and Jack because I think they would have great chemistry.

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  62. For me personally, I get just as annoyed with Bellamy and Clarke shipping as I do with Clarke and Lexa. There's no place for Clarke romance on The 100 period. She has far more pressing issues. Plus there's more than enough romance with Lincoln and Octavia. They don't need to spend any more time on it.

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  63. For me Lexa clearly wanted to Clarke but I'm not sure whether Clarke was looking for a relationship with Lexa or if it was in the moment. I guess when I think of canon relationships I assume it's more than a one time thing and that the pair becomes a couple. Lexa and Clarke were never a couple to me and I highly doubt they will ever be given the circumstances.

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  64. You just know Abby and Kane will get together at some point... But yeah, I don't think Clarke needs anyone right now. What she needs is therapy. BUT if she had to be paired up with someone, then I'd choose Lexa over Bellamy. I feel like they have a lot to teach each other and they understand leadership and the sacrifices that come with it.

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  65. When canon meets fantasy-

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  66. I don't watch PoI. What do you mean?

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  67. Paige/Elena, Rebekah/Haley...

    I don't know what you're taking, but I want some.

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  68. Alice AkiHimemiya Cannata14 June 2015 at 14:02

    Laurel & Felicity would be shocking XD

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  69. Lexa and Clarke are already canon, so that's kind of dumb.


    Where's Angie/Peggy from Agent Carter?


    Not the best poll I have ever seen...

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  70. Sloliver and Klosh

    http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/vampirediaries/images/2/23/Klosh.gif/revision/latest?cb=20140126202316

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  71. I'd LOOOOOVE to see the Olicity fanbase implode if that happened

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  72. Then make a poll of your own and submit it. Perhaps the person who created this doesn't watch Agent Carter. I think they did a great job of offering variety considering and it's harder to create these than most people think because someone will always complain about an option they love being left out.

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  73. Uh-oh troll alert.
    Do you have any idea how childish that comment sounded? It's like when a 10 years old says "so is your face."

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  74. Bwah! This is still my absolute favorite thing that has ever been written about fanon.

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  75. I agree with Dahne! Not everyone watches every show! Also, there is the "other" option

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  76. Top 6 for me would be
    Root/Shaw
    Mulan/Aurora
    Nyssa/Laurel
    Dean/Castiel
    Skye/Simmons
    Karma/Amy
    Max/Caroline

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  77. I just wouldn't create a poll on a subject matter that I'm not fully educated on, whether I watch the shows or not. I don't care if you watch The 100 or not, but if you know enough to know Lexa and Clarke is a ship, you should know it was already canon, very well publicized and was canonized months ago. Same goes for Root/Shaw on POI which also became canon this season. If your target audience is slash shippers, this is seriously poor form, and you have no business creating polls like this.


    Bottom line is, a poll based upon poor data yields poor results. This person clearly did not even bother to check for accuracy.

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  78. Root/Shaw
    Laurel/Nyssa
    Paige/Elena
    Skye/Simmons

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  79. That's fine, the other option is cool. The most egregious offense on here is blatant mistakes regarding current canon couples. Lexa/Clarke and Root/Shaw are already canon. This person clearly has no business making this poll because they are completely uneducated in this area. It renders the results useless because people will be voting for couples that are already canon.

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  80. Uh-oh, can't take reverse criticism on something she likes.


    It's easy to throw shade at one ship for you but taking it for yours is something you have yet to learn ;)

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  81. It's canon that Root likes Shaw, but it's not canon that Shaw has more-than-platonic feelings for Root.

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  82. I don't at all disagree (I can't stand insane shippers), but there are endless polls with these types of questions, about what *you* think should happen on the show. As long as people can maintain a civil discussion and don't start acting like the show sucks if it doesn't wholly cater to their wishes, I don't see anything wrong with it.

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  83. Sarah Shahi confirmed that Shaw just thinks of Root as a friend, and that kiss was just to distract Root long enough to get her to safety.

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  84. I dont know kind of a weird poll. I dont know if I like any of them, but Paige and elena would be interesting I guess. I always liked Josh and Aiden but he was killed off.

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  85. "As is Olicity" is criticism? You should look up the meaning of the word.
    At what ship did I throw shade? THERE IS NO SHIP! You should look up "ship" as well. There are excellent dictionaries online.

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  86. You talk yourself into a rabbit hole of gibberish. You just, justifiably, put critique against Skye/Ward. A ship that was forced down our throats in the past, the very same goes for Olicity. Forced.down.our.throats.


    My point stands

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  87. She also said Root was always number one in Shaws heart, talk about taking something literally. Shaw loves root as much as someone with a PD can love someone.

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  88. She also said Root was always number one in Shaws heart, talk about
    taking something literally. Shaw loves root as much as someone with a PD
    can love someone. She also wasn't written out she was expecting a baby.

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  89. If you want criticize something then write what you think, don't say so is your ship. That's not criticism. That's starting a shipping war same as you always do.

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  90. Or it could possibly be a poll submitted last season as these polls are completely chosen at random. Either way, it's a USD poll for fun. Not scientific research.

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  91. I used your criticism against something and applied it something similar. Your issue if you have a liking towrds the essentially same problematic plotline but feel too protective of it.


    (on a sidenote, it was indeed intended as provocation, seeing you bash a ship I consider as bad as Olicity was kinda delightful)

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  92. They have as much business making a poll that THEY choose as you do commenting on it.

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  93. Skimmons os curse!!!! Best relationship in AoS!!!

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  94. Chances are slim that they'll ever be a couple, indeed, but I do think Clarke had some feelings for Lexa that she hadn't even realized or bothered to process. After all, they were in the middle of a war and she had just lost Finn. Had they been given more time, I think they'd have been together. But The 100's world is a world where romance is a luxury. Octavia and Lincoln were lucky to find each other, but we'll see how long that lasts.

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  95. I'm just saying, if you're going to make a poll, make sure the data is accurate. By putting canon ships on the poll, everything is moot as the whole basis is non-canon and who should be made canon. You poll hounds are cranky as hell, I'm just pointing out the hilariously obviously flaws in this thing.

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  96. Aw I don't want Abby or Kane to die so soon... Unless season 3 is the last (which, please no!) I hope there won't be too many main characters dying. I'd sacrifice Jasper though. I can't stand him. I'd rather have Monty a bit more in the spotlight, at least he's useful.

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  97. And I'm saying that maybe Clarke/Lexa weren't canon when they submitted this, We don't know when it was done,
    Also, you can't label me as a "poll hound" but I am crazy as hell, so there is that. Do your research on the posters you are so keen to generalize.

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  98. Root/Shaw and Clarke/Alexa. I was once Team Tamsin, but after her getting super clingy and jealous with Bo, I don't think she's a good fit anymore.

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  99. You have to consider the fact that Shaw is a sociopath and therefore has a very different way of caring about people. Her care for Root is shown repeatedly through her actions. Root pushes Shaw's boundaries and Shaw lets her. If she really didn't like Root, she'd have told her to back off a long time ago. The rest really depends on your views on the ambiguous scenes of the show. Have the two slept together already? There are moments that suggest it, but it's up to you whether you see them or not. Notice that Shaw has declared her attraction to Root more than once ("you're hot, you're good with a gun" for example) and the only reason she said they couldn't be a couple was that they'd be too explosive, literally. Shaw, in as much as her condition as a sociopath lets her, likes Root. More than she likes anyone else.

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  100. Sarah's itw :
    "although at the end of the day I feel like her number one is always going to be Root."
    "I think that after all this time and after all this filtration, Shaw has developed some kind of feelings for Root even though she's been guarded and she would never in a million years admit to anything. I feel like they're definitely present in her, so why not just do it."

    Greg Palgeman (producer)
    "Evolution of relationship between Root and Shaw was created organically."

    Nolan
    [...]So what we felt was there had to be a moment…Root’s kind of put it on the line in terms of her feelings. Shaw, famously guarded with her feelings, is not a person in touch with her emotions. But in a moment like this, you demanded something from Shaw. You demanded that Shaw returned those feelings on some level.
    http://www.ew.com/article/2015/01/07/person-of-interest-shaw-dead-root-kiss?hootPostID=88dce2bd42494ed349f19573bed6243a

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  101. I don't think I've ever seen this! Love it. I'm still laughing.

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  102. Shoot is CANOOOOON!

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  103. but Shaw/Root IS CANON

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  104. Hey. What are asking about?! Shaw/Root IS CANON!Open your eyes, guys.

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  105. but Shaw/Root IS CANON is already canon
    what they two do here

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  106. Demidenko Nata14 June 2015 at 15:19

    Shaw/Root is official!

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  107. but Shoot is canon now

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  108. Are u kidding?! Root and Shaw are ALREADY canon.

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  109. Demidenko Nata14 June 2015 at 15:24

    WTF!? Shoot it's canon!




    What r they doing here?

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  110. Hey, MAN! Shoot IS canon, what do they do here???

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  111. This person was clearly joking about putting Ward and Fitz here..a bad joke, of course

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  112. I went Emma/Regina. I'm also strong on Root/Shaw, which is almost canon but still can be handwaved away. I could also go Laurel/Nyssa only because Laurel has far more chemistry with Nyssa than she ever did with Ollie.

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  113. every shippers mindset in a nutshell

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  114. Hey! Shoot IS canon, what do they do here???

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  115. Maybe the poll was submitted before they were.

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  116. I bring it out everytime shipping wars get in the way of my favorite shows. Lilith Hellfire sent it to me when we were doing the Supernatural podcast together and it is my favorite fan thing ever.

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  117. Not every shipper but enough to make it even more funny to me.

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  118. Mack and Fitz, Jasper and Monty.

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  119. I'm really surprised Morgan/Reid wasn't listed as an option for "Criminal Minds". That's my favorite slash pairing for that show, and one of my favorite slash pairings in general :D. JJ/Emily is good, too, though. Emily's not a regular cast member anymore, no, but hey, neither is Will and yet they've made JJ's relationship with him work, so... I also have to say I kind of like the idea of JJ/Garcia in some ways-I dunno, their interaction in the early years especially, I could see it lending itself to that kind of relationship.
    I also like Troy/Abed from "Community" :). I don't actually expect any of these relationships to ever become canon, mind-I'd be VERY surprised if they did, especially any of the "Criminal Minds" ones (they're popular ships among the fandom, but CBS would likely worry about how the average viewer would react). But if either of these shows ever did want to go that route, I'd support it.

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  120. I haven't even seen any of the shows listed here and this post still made me laugh :D.

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  121. Never underestimate some fans' ability to come up with the most unusual/random ships they can, I suppose :p.

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  122. I agree with you here. I actually used to be okay with shipping in the 90's when it was a dark corner of the internet where "serious TV" discussers would never be caught dead. Nowadays it is too much. It feels like every single show must have a shipping component and those ultra-vocal shippers drown out every other conversation, conversation that is far more interesting. That's what I hate about shipping. I don't mind the fanfiction or even Tumblr sites devoted to one couple or another. Let them have their corner of the online TV universe. I hate when those fans think they speak for everyone, when they populate the dumb shipping names all over the internet, when fights break out about relationships that aren't canon and never will be, when you go to a site not focused on shipping and that's 70% of the conversation. And I detest when shippers attack writers, actors, and show runners demanding their own way. Even worse is when the powers that be capitulate to them.


    Shippers, or at least the most vocal, have gotten a sense of entitlement that I cannot stand and everytime a TV show puts the two leads of a cop show together or throws plot and character out the window to reward a ship that has good social media presence, it just makes matters worse. I rooted for the shippers when they were underdogs but now they have taken over the universe and become dictators of the TV conversation, becoming even worse than theTV snobs that oppressed them in the early 90's. Time for a revolution.

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  123. I'm against any 'Should' when it comes to fans trying to dictate what/who 'should' be,even for hetero couples! :)

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  124. I'd like to copy this to Tumblr, save it to frame. Something. Well said.

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  125. They are far from underdogs these days, several shows are considers ship-bait these days and the people saying this aren't exactly wrong.


    I'm talking against the hype but am turned into some kind of villain for that

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  126. I'd sacrifice Jasper, Murphy, and Jaha in a second. That's why these characters are all perfectly safe. I adore Kane, Lincoln, Indra, Monty, and Octavia, which means these characters are all at risk. From the second they offed Wells I knew this was going to be another show that killed the most interesting characters and left the most annoying ones around. Abby, while not my favorite, is also likely to die because they cannot have a season where they don't bring Clarke the absolute most pain she can have. Logically that means Abby goes sooner than later.

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  127. Jaha is still alive?! O.o

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  128. Considering how fandoms can happily ship incestuous couples or teens and adults or things of that sort, a character having murderous intentions towards their love object (or what the fans perceive as their love object) isn't going to make them bat an eye. I'm with you in that I wouldn't ship a character I love with someone who tried to hurt or kill them, either-I much prefer the people in a pairing I like to get along and all that good stuff, but I'm apparently weird that way :p.

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  129. That's a really cool looking ship. I'd go sailing on that.

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  130. Accurate picture is accurate.

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  131. Pretty much, yeah :p. You can put any names or shows in there and it will work every. single. time.

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  132. In all honesty Mac, I don't think you are cast as the villain because of your opinion. It's how you purposely antagonize people and even bait them in multiple threads, sometimes even coming off as trolling. Your tone and the way you present your case is why you're the villain.

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  133. True. A fans power to to lose the friend in friendship and create a random ship can't be explained.
    LoL.

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  134. True, but POI has shown us that Shaw is capable of expressing sexual attraction when she's feeling it, and she's never shown that to Root.

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  135. hmm, yes, i consider my hatred for SkyeWard and Ward perfectly sane because i would never praise (even if it's just a "tv show"), a relationship between a sick and disgusting murder with a good person.

    I'm so right about your pathological hatred for Olicity, that even when this post has nothing to do with them, you somehow came here just to talk about them.

    again, i will repeat: hate olicity all you want, but at least, they are not a sick and toxic couple..they actually care and help each other. Your theory that Oliver/Felicity and Skye/Ward are pretty similar in terms of characteristics and story focus is completely non-existent and is only based in your hatred for olicity. you should just stop.

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  136. Yep and originally I was rooting for him. Then he turned into Mr. Savior CrazyPants with his Quixote windmills and all the goodwill I had for him died. Now if only he would.

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  137. @Koky @maclives @thi86 You 3 better stop this now before all 3 of you get banned.

    Final Warning.

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  138. Yes! Ragner had a deep love for Athelstan but i always saw it as more of a spiritual/brotherly love,nothing sexual/sensual about that relationship. In my eyes anyway..

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  139. What tone am I supposed to use when talking against an entire fandom all on my own?

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  140. Yeah, there ARE sane shippers out there that are cool to just like their moments their favorite pairings get on screen, and write their stories, and don't get bent out of shape if their favorite pairing isn't canon. As I've said before, my attitude about the pairings I like has always been, "If it's made canon, cool, if it's not, oh, well."
    And as annoyed as some people are by shipping and shippers, it's going to happen for as long as stories are told, like it or not, and there's nothing wrong with that. Romance is a part of people's lives, so it's natural it's going to factor into TV shows and the storylines at some point. And I completely get and sympathize with fans who want to see gay couples or interracial couples or so on get their moment on TV the way straight couples always do.
    But I also agree that there's far better ways to suggest that idea that don't involve attacking the writers, or accusing them (or fans who don't support those pairings) of being racist/homophobic. And if shippers are getting into actual fights with each other over whose pairing should be made canon, I'd prefer the writers just say, "Okay, NOBODY'S pairing will be made canon" to shut them all up. 'Cause they'll never be able to please everyone (that's the biggest reason I can live with none of the in-team pairings people love on "Criminal Minds" becoming canon. There's too many, and someone's going to inevitably feel left out and I'm REALLY not in the mood to listen to fans complain if their pairing didn't get together and another one they don't like did). The entitlement aspect of it all is definitely annoying.
    And I do agree that just as non-shippers need to realize that people are always going to ship, shippers also need to realize that not everyone watches the shows for romantic relationships, and there's other things about the show worth discussing, too.
    On a different note, shippers also need to realize that there's nothing inherently wrong with a pairing they like NOT being made canon. For all they know, they may not wind up liking how the show would write the relationship they're a fan of if it did become part of the series (and they usually don't, since shows can't ever let couples just be without throwing some drama in, which annoys fans of that pairing), and then they'd complain about that. Either way, they likely won't be happy, so sometimes just sticking with their own personal interpretations of their favorite pairing may be the best way to go.

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  141. The more I think about it the more I think that Clarke and Lexa would never have been a couple even if Lexa didn't betray them. It all lies in Finn. No matter how strong Clarke's feelings were romantically or not, he was still the best friend she had once Wells died. He was the person that she had the closest tie to on the ground and Lexa is directly responsible for Clarke killing him. Yes, Finn brought his trouble on himself but even if you heartily disagreed with what your best friend had done, it wouldn't make his or her death any easier. To be forced to kill them yourself in order to save them would make it hard to be in the same room with the person who ordered their death, much less develop a relationship with them. I can see working with your enemy because of an alliance, the whole enemy of my enemy thing. I just don't think Clarke could push away her guilt and anger over Finn's death enough to become a true lover of Lexa. Once the heat of the battle with the Mountain Men was over, she would have way too much time to think about what had happened and my guess is that her self-loathing would also turn to hatred of Lexa not love.

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  142. What it's like in the comments of this poll:

    http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Shocked-Troy-Walks-Into-Fire-With-Pizza-Community.gif

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  143. Root/Shaw, Nyssa/Laurel, Skye(or...Daisy Johnson :/)/Simmons, Prudence/Lizzy.

    Oh, yah....I'm a guy.

    But seriously, these do make sense. At the end of One Big Happy, while they have a "fake" marriage(and I use the term fake loosely in this scenario, really), those two did seem to have this playful relationship with them that felt like Prudence could have easily waken up one morning and decide that she's in love with Lizzy. At least, one can think of this scenario since OBH was cancelled. Root/Shaw has already been teased and Nyssa/Laurel has felt like the build-up to a relationship since the latter part of S3....I'd much rather see Laurel being with someone that seems to genuinely care for her, and Nyssa seems to be that person. And Skye, err Daisy and Simmons...well, mostly because the two actresses have been discussing this ship during conventions and what not and it actually makes sense.

    But, I'd also go for Diggle getting a divorce from Lyla and moving in with Ollie, haha.

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  144. to further elaborate: literally everything in certain threads is about shipping. How am I supposed not to comment on that?

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  145. wait, that doesn't mean that you'll get lost on sea after your elderly friend dies? :P

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  146. Just back out of those threads altogether, then, and wait until there's a discussion that isn't related to that? And if none come up, then I'd say your best bet would be to just go find another show to talk about.

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  147. At the risk of being torn apart I have to lay claim to this poll and as such should explain it. I submitted this well before I joined the team here, hench using a screen name instead of my real name. I don't know exactly when I submitted it but it has been several months at the very least and I think it was well before Revenge ended. It was born out of a debate with a friend about the odd but sometimes intriguing pairings fans come up with and what random same sex pairings various famdoms would want/have demanded be made cannon even if they don't make sense sometimes. I thought about doing one for unofficial straight ships but there are so damned many of them there was no way too weed that down to under the limit without people getting really mad for one getting left out. Someone else is welcome to try though.

    For those questioning the options. Shaw/Root had a kiss, yes, but they are not am official couple. Hench why they are on this poll. This was indeed made after the kiss, so consider that part of the debate solved. I actually knew the debate that option would cause and left it intentionally. In my book, a kiss born out of necessity does not definitively declare a ship official. The creators have even said it was simply Shaw trying to distract Root so she could make her compliant in that moment. To each his own on that opinion though. I personally don't belive them cannon yet but would love to see their dynamic should they ever get the chance to be an official couple.

    Again I can't remember exactly when I submitted this but I don't think Lexa/Clarke had kissed yet or if they had it was after Lexa ditched her. Either way they were never defined as an official couple even though, like Shoot, there are feelings present and a kiss on the books. Do I think shipping has a place in The 100? No, but 90% of the fandom wants ships so let them have fun. I was however a fan of their leadership dynamic so would have supported them together, but I am glad it didn't happen, at least not yet. Who knows what the future holds on this crazy awesome show. I'm just glad Lexa survived the season because I think she is a really intriguing character and her story isn't finished yet as long as they can get the actress back.

    Relationships are a part of life so eventually someone on that show is going to have one and unfortunately when/if it happens half the fandom will hate it. That is just the nature of shipping. Sometimes the pairings just don't make sense.

    Several of these options were taken from searching the net for options from shows I do not watch. I don't watch Supernatural or Sherlock Holmes but I wanted to try and provide some options outside of my immediate fandoms.

    Yes, I know I left a lot of options out hench not one but two other options. You can only list a certain number of options and when talking ships that number far exceeds the available options number.

    This was designed to create a fun debate. Trust me when I say my friend and I did not at all see eye to eye on a lot of these, but that is the fun of debating the unofficial. Until something is official it is open to many different thoughts and opinions of an interpretation.

    For the record I don't like some of these options either but others ship them so I included them. I will never ever understand the Derek/Stiles ship but others love it so it's here. I didn't include just ones that I like.

    Okay, now that an explanation has been given you may all resume your regularly scheduled ship debating. Just thought I'd throw into the ring the creators thoughts. I welcome debate so have fun, but don't bash one another. Everyone is due an opinion.

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  148. sadly the latter is going to be the only potential outcome

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  149. She never said she thinks of Root as a friend. Even before they kissed she said more than once that Root will always be Shaw's number one in her heart. The showrunners recently said that they wouldn't have done the kiss if they think Shaw doesn't have feelings for Root and in one of the interviews after If-Then-Else Sarah said that it's definitely not a unrequited love situation.

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  150. I don't get it, either. To be fair, there are things people like in fiction, but that doesn't automatically mean they like or approving of those things in their everyday lives. And some people are genuinely intrigued by effed-up relationships in fiction, and like exploring that. Fiction is good in that it allows people to explore any type of story or relationship, be it good or bad.
    But then, of course, in that case, it's better to at least acknowledge the things those fans like are effed-up, instead of try and make them all cutesy fluffy romance (unless their whole point is trying to imagine what a screwed up relationship would look like if circumstances were entirely different or something).

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  151. LMAO that edit. At this point i think they ship Klaus with everyone D:

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  152. I'd rather have Klosh than any other Klaus ship. At least Josh is likable unlike Klaus ^^

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  153. If Korra ended up with Azami. I can totally see this xD

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  154. I think Scott has been shipped with literally everyone who has survived more than 3 episodes of Teen Wolf and even some that haven't. He's got that puppy personality that makes everyone want to love him.

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  155. Josh will bring out his sweet side :p

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  156. never watched LoK but it's on my to-watch list. I guess Azami is not well liked?

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  157. like Caroline and Halyley did amirite? :P

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  158. Can i spoil you? I already did D:

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  159. no worries, I always spoil myself before I start a show ^^

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  160. I appreciate your explanation :). I haven't seen some of the shows on this list, so I can't comment on how likely/unlikely some of these pairings would be. But that's part of the fun and creativity of shipping, right :D? If a fan can make it work for them, then more power to 'em.

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  161. A couple doesn't have to be in a relationship to be considered canon. As soon as romantic feelings are shown or a kiss happens on screen it's considered canon.
    About Root and Shaw: In one of the first interviews after ITE the showrunners said "It was time that we made them canon." Nobody ever said that Shaw sees Root only as a friend. Sarah Shahi said it's definitely not an unrequited love situation and that Shaw might not have feelings to the extend that Root has but she does feel something for her. So I consider them 100% canon. The showrunners have said it, the actresses have and it has been shown explicitly on screen. Before and after the kiss.

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  162. Some of the ships listed areally extremely unlikely but people ship them and I believe in letting everyone enjoy their ships even if they don't make sense to me.

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  163. Root and Shaw are already canon, but I voted for them anyway. They're my OTP.

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  164. I'm by far not a fan of shipping but I like the nature of this poll, obviously some heated arguments are bound to ensue (me included) but this poll does something highly important: creates discussion about same sex couples on TV. Something we sadly don't get on TV.


    Several TV relationships have been about fans living through a certain character, leaving the actual neccessary romantic plots flat. This right here is important, to add an important and actually valuable plotline

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  165. I agree work everything you said. I debated for a good hour if I should lay my claim on this poll but decided it necessary to get the debate more on track of the actual topic of the poll and away from what the creator of it was possibly thinking with some of these options.

    I believe everyone and every opinion should have a say.

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  166. Sorry about that, then, if that's the case. I would suggest starting a new conversation altogether that focuses on the stuff about the show you DO want to watch...but that's sometimes easier said than done, too.
    But yeah, if shipping discussion bothers you THAT much, and you know your fandom will talk about nothing but, then staying out of it is probably the way to go.

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  167. The only person I never see him shipped with is Peter, which is the only person I don't ship him with as well, and the parents ofc. There are some hilarious posts on tumblr about everyone on the show falling in love with Scott. Some of them include pictures of other characters looking at him in a way that makes you believe it lol.

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  168. Well. Azami was Mako's girlfriend in S1 and then Korra and Mako fell in love..shit happened and they broke up, then Korra went MIA for a while and the only contact hshe had was with Azami and in the final episde they shared a kiss.. I really didnt see that one coming but i knew there were shippers out tehre like in every tv show.

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  169. As you said, that's hard. I'm attatched to several shows too much to let go despite the annoying fandoms. Sad part is: I'm trying to control myself but a lot of the times my annoyance over several comments gets the best of me

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  170. Most of the creators and actresses statements have still left it open for interpretation. We never once got an official declaration on screen. However, I am human and am open to missing things so if I missed an official declaration on screen please give me the quote and I'll go back and watch for it.

    I interpret cannon as it being clearly stated on screen. I would love for them to be truly official as I am a fan of that pairing but I am a hard core proof kind of fan. I welcome being proven wrong in this case if proof can be provided.

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  171. never be afraid to admit to submitting something. Sure we can get really nasty (especially me) about shipping but ultimately we're all a big happy, dysfunctional family

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  172. I get that, yeah. I've been there with the debates with other fans, too, sometimes. It's not always easy to hold your tongue :p. I hope you are able to participate in the kind of discussion you want to have more often.

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  173. Hey, when it's with reasonable people it's always fine to discuss and argue

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  174. Agreed :). And sometimes, people can make a pairing you'd never considered/been a fan of before actually work!

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  175. and what side does Cami bring outs on him?

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  176. This is well said too.

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  177. I really think before he is done, they are going to make him a villain. Probably a sympathetic, psychotic one but still a villain.

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  178. As a long time fan of TV and forums I have a thick skin. I just didn't want to derail the debate until I kept seeing people wondering what the creator of it was thinking. At that point I felt an explanation was necessary so people could focus more on the actual poll.

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  179. Swan Queen all the way but i also voted for Clarke/Lexa and Root/Shaw even i'm not watching it yet.
    Why Rizzles is not in this poll tho ?

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  180. Definitely. Sometimes I see a pairing show up online and can't imagine it possibly working then I'll go watch the show again and sometimes they do make sense. Other times they really don't, but that's the awesome thing about choice and freewill in that not everyone has to agree on or even like certain options.

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  181. Oversight. They should have definitely been included. To many ships and not enough available spots to provide options.

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  182. Dean and Castiel would be hot but sadly Dean is definitely not gay and I don't think they should do anything along those lines just because fans love their slash fiction.

    My vote is for Lexa and Clarke.

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  183. Nicolás Caballero Mühlbach14 June 2015 at 17:48

    Emma and Regina, they have more sexual tension than Emma and the pirate. PERIOD.

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  184. I think they made it more than clear on the show that Root loves her. Her break down, going on a desperate rampage trying to find her, and even threathen to jump from a building if the machine won't help her locate Shaw. They never said "I love you" to each other but they more than once expressed that they care for each other. There was also the "We're perfect for each other" conversation (simulated and non-simulated) were they actually talked about feelings. Well, and Martine called Shaw Root's "little girlfriend" lol

    As I've already said there are lots of comments from people involved with the show that really leave no room for interpretation. Heck, Amy Acker even called Shaw Root's love of her life at Denver ComicCon a few weeks ago. So I don't think they want the audience to think that they are just gal's being pal's.
    I think it's great that they got away with all that considering the show is on CBS. So yeah, I personally don't need anymore proof but I wouldn't say no to a grand love declaration ;)

    Fingers crossed Sarah comes back soon and that they get their happy ending.

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  185. Root and Shaw being cannon IS clearly stated on screen , unless you were looking to a different show than me you can't have missed it

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  186. Root and Shaw not an official couple ? , are you blind? , i honestly don't get how you can say that , you could have foreseen that this would create unnessesary unrest , very dissapointing

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  187. you dont need to explain why you put the options you put in here. Like you said these cmes from different places, I sure has seen people ship Ward and Fitz and for me that's kinda crazy after all that happened if anything he can make a good coupl with max.
    What i would like to see tho in a TV is a good polyamory relationship not a love triangule but somethign hrere three or more people are romantically involve and they tried to work things out the three or mroe of them.

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  188. Voted Reese/Finch, Emma/Regina, and other m/m - MIKE AND HARVEY FROM SUITS.

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  189. Hotch/Reid is also a popular same-sex ship.
    To be honest, I'm a huge fan of Blake/JJ. They're my backup after Blake/Rossi. :P

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  190. I always forget about Mike and Harvey :/

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  191. I am not blind, but I do understand and appreciate your opinion. As I stated below I need proof to declare something official/cannon. A kiss done to distract someone in the heat of a fight doesn't make it official. Root threatening to sacrifice herself if the machine won't help her find Shaw does not make it official because Root had clearly always been the one pudding for something. Shaw making that gesture would have swayed my opinion a bit but still without a official declaration can we declare something official? Root and Shaw saying "I love you" or "we should give this thing a chance" that would be official. I included them as an option and stand behind it because it is necessary to have a conversation about the assumed. If the creators want it to be official them clearly state it on screen. Interviews of what may have been or could be isn't enough for me. If it is for you then much respect.

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