Updated 11th May: 3rd Sneak peek added below. Thanks to everyone who sent this in.
Update: 8th May Here is a 2nd Sneak Peek.
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Agents of SHIELD - Season 2 Finale - Sneak Peeks *Updated*
12 May 2015
Agents of SHIELDUpdated 11th May: 3rd Sneak peek added below. Thanks to everyone who sent this in.
Update: 8th May Here is a 2nd Sneak Peek.
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I'm terrified. This is going to end so badly and Jiaying just started an unnecessary war for no reason and is going to hurt Skye in the process.
ReplyDeleteOh boy they are giving us things early this week!
ReplyDeleteThis was at the end of this week's episode of the double agent webseries.
ReplyDeleteJiaying, watcha doing girl? You gonna get everybody killed.
ReplyDeleteJiaying is being rude to Simmons. Not all Shield agents want to kill inhumans, just as not all inhumans are evil like Eva and her daughter (the ones from Bahrain).
ReplyDeleteThey better write this well, because Jiaying is freaking out at Shield when she played it cool with Hydra for years after they experimented on her. WTF?
Jiaying has turned out to be the Inhumans version of Gonzales but much worse.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure if I wanna see the finale. Honestly, I'm afraid. It's going to be painful.
ReplyDeleteI think that the difference is SHIELD knows where Afterlife is whereas Hydra had no clue Afterlife even existed; they just knew that people with powers existed. To be fair, we don't really know much about Jiaying, this could very well be her personality.
ReplyDeleteTell me about it, but I'm glad that Skye told Jemma to run.
ReplyDeleteI was surprised too that it was at the very end of the last Double Agent.
ReplyDeleteIs it really Jiaying? Could she be controlled by someone with mind-manipulating powers?
ReplyDeleteRaina's powers are still unexplored and she is clairvoyant as she was always focused on the Clairvoyant), but she has always manipulates others... could it have been an omen of manipulative powers that she just learned how to control??
"I'm not sure if I wanna see the finale."
ReplyDelete.... but you won't be able to look away either. It's gonna be a trainwreck.
Jiyaing is even worse than Cal OMG.
ReplyDeleteI doubt it. I'm not saying Raina can't theoretically have such powers but she has no motivation to start a war.
ReplyDeleteI know, and she was one of the monster referred on the Skye backstory, but she got all zen and controlled after that... why would she jeopardize that now? Why not just go to another remote location as Gordon hinted he knows?
ReplyDeleteOh I see.
ReplyDeleteLooks like the opening scene for next weeks finale. And did you see that look between Jiaying and Gordon at the end? They so planned this. I was hoping it was a bad decision she took at that moment, but it looks the contrary actually. This is going to end SO bad...
ReplyDeleteI can understand her reasoning, even if she is going about defending her people from them the wrong way, considering SHIELD is no better than Hydra when it comes to the enhanced most of the time. But Being that Skye was a SHIELD she should be able to poke holes in Jiaying's story though.
ReplyDeleteWell, since the season finale is technically two episodes, we should see another piece of art and possibly more sneak peeks. So, they'd have to start earlier.
ReplyDeleteOk, but what is Jiaying's motivation? I can't find one. Unless she's been working with Cal this whole time... he isnt the best person to keep secrest though...
ReplyDeleteYup, the second piece of art is confirmed to be coming tomorrow.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I saw the same. All was planned. The problem is gonna be Skye´s reaction to the threat, because like said Jiaying, his power is very destructive. I think that all the overreaction of Jiaying has to be more for the safety of Skye than by the Inhumans. But like you said, all is going to end so bad
ReplyDeleteYeah, I'm bettting they know that Skye will suspect something if she saw Gonzales body. When she does find out I hope it isn't too late for her and Shield (though with the fight scene with May who knows).
ReplyDeleteWe know from spoilers that she ends up fighting Alisha on the Carrier,along with Gordon fighting Coulson. So does she go with Gordon and the Inhumans to the carrier, learns se's been played and fights, or had she already figured out that she's been played and is on the carrier to stop the Inhumans before they arrive?
Given all the action that's goig to go down I wonder how Andrew fits into the last episode?
I know, I can't shake te feeling that Skye ends up being the one that gets hurt and out of Shield...
ReplyDeleteI wonder how the SkyeMay relationship plays out in the two episodes and next season, clearly Skye's comment about the May/Inhumans hit her hard, and we know they fight with Skye Quaking her...
ReplyDeleteI just can't help but think her two relationships with May and Coulson are going to shatter :(
To ensure her people's survival and sovereignty which they would lose under Shield.
ReplyDeletei hope May survives :(
ReplyDeleteSkye wouldn't kill her, but who knows about the rest of them.
ReplyDeleteHonestly, I have the feeling that Raina's power is pretty useless because she'll suffer under Cassandra's curse...she will know what will happen, but she won't be ever able to prevent it for one reason or another.
ReplyDeleteI could see Skye heading back to Shield if Coulson or May ends up injured trying to protect/save her. Honestly, maybe that show of self-sacrifice would swing Jiaying over to not actively trying to destroy SHIELD.
ReplyDeleteI have two theories about Andrew: first, it might be about May, maybe she look at him at the end of the season or the second, that he helps to skye to go undercover or disappear
ReplyDeleteHer motivation is to rally people to her insular world view. After the horrors she has been through, the Inhumans having a relationship with SHIELD is close to her worst nightmare. She doesn't have the ability to trust anyone outside of her own race and she's willing to start a war to keep herself and her people isolated.
ReplyDeleteYeah I could see May needing help after everything that has and will go down. My other thought is tat it could be that SKye ends up needing counselling (I mean that pretty much goes without saying if this goes down like it's looking), leaving Shield?
ReplyDeleteAn other betrayl. Surprise. Surprise.
ReplyDeleteShe won't kill her but I don't know how their relationship is going to deal with this and everything else.
ReplyDeleteThat's why I'm leaning towards Andrew being involved, he already told her and Shield to let her walk away...
ReplyDeleteWe will be drowned in promo material for the finale. It's going to be a really long week. The finale will be painful but i wish i could see it already.
ReplyDeleteAfter everything she endured under Whitehall it's not really surprising that she has this view of Humans, hell she's lived through "Man's Inhumanity to Man". If she wanted to engage Gonzales in a discussion she could have pointed out the Nurnberg Laws to explain how she viewed the Index...
ReplyDeleteIs there any way Andrew could be in there to have any kind of resolution with May? we find out he was the only one she told about the little girl in Barhain. Not even Coulson knew. There is also the looking for him behind May's back, Coulson did.
ReplyDeleteYeah, makes sense what you say. Finally, that's what Andrew recommended to Skye
ReplyDeleteHer relationship with May cracked when she brought up Barhain the way she did. After they fight will be only worse.
ReplyDeleteNo, the monsters refer to Hydra and what they did in the Chinese village Skye was born in. In the first half of season 2 of AoS the back story to Whitehall reveals that.
ReplyDeleteThe relationship they built this season will be destroied for sure. I was so hopefull we would get the overdue May/Skye hug this season. I guess this won't be happening anytime soon.
ReplyDeleteThank god I thought I was the only one who was hoping for a May/Skye hug.
ReplyDeleteYeah, it's sad because it really was a good relationship for both of them I think. But as soon as Skye changed (and we knew how leading to Inhumans) I kind of figured it was going to be damaged, never dreamed it would be this bad though. :(
ReplyDeleteWell, honestly I don't think Shield yet knows the full extent of what Skye can do, imagine for example she does the whole "Quaking" she did to Raina, to May...
ReplyDeleteYeah, I would have enjoyed her at least trying to put her position forward before killing Gonzales, I think it was a missed opportunity for the writers to explain Inhuman's position first before getting to a War.
ReplyDeleteSkye's problem is Jiaying is going to make sure that Skye doesn't find out (hence not letting her see Gonzales). I see Skye fighting against Shield for a period before finding out the truth and fighting the Inhumans...
ReplyDeleteI doubt she'd do that to May at this point unless comes down to her family or May, the question is will May push it that far?
ReplyDeleteIf May does in afterlife right after Skye deals with her bleeding mother then she gives the Inhumans even more ammunition against SHIELD.
But figure May is due a meltdown, she doesn't trust Coulson, is angry about Skye and Andrew is back in her head. Skye not willingly going with might be the thing to break the cavalry's continuous charge forward.
Ouch if she does break, it's going to get messy very quickly considering everything she's got stored up.
ReplyDeleteI doubt Skye would do it, I'm just pointing out that as far as I can figure out, Shield still think's it Earthquakes (or so variation) that Skye's capable of, not the whole vibrating everything and anythin she wants.
Could be that as well, I really wonder how he fits into the last episode. As posted above with everything May has dealt with and now the last couple of episodes, May might well be due a break down.
ReplyDeleteI think it will be very messy. Personally I think that this season is going to tap out with either May or Coulson taking a break from SHIELD. May would make more sense.
ReplyDeleteYes agree that SHIELD don't get the full range of Skye's powers but they will have seen enough as Simmons did compare Skye's powers to the hulk. And May isn't Veronica if it came down to it.
Though did think it was telling that Gonzales envoked Ultron as a reason to go instead of Coulson. Stark in himself wouldn't be on SHIELD's index. His abilities are from human ingenuity and without the suit he is a regular human. Jiaying was right about the idea of profiling it is mostly to do with fear.
As sad as it is, but a conflict between SHIELD and the Inhumans was inevitable. What SHIELD wants from the Inhumans would be the end of the independce of their hole culture, every nation all over the world would have denied that too. If Jiaying would have denied the registration of the Inhumans the
ReplyDeleteoutcome would have been nearly the same, SHIELD would have tried to registrate
the Inhumans against their will and they would have tried to stop them.
I thought it was implied that Stark was on the Index? In Avengers 1 in the Lab scene just before everything kicked off, the team was arguing about them being on a list that Shield has on dangerous people, I just figured that's the Index without them saying it.
ReplyDeleteStill think it's more likely that Skye ends up away from Shield, that's what it seems to be building towards.
Exactly!!! I'll watch it and then be a nervous wreck. And it'll be even worse: A cliffhanger and a 5/6 months hiatus til season 3.
ReplyDeleteIsn't it closer to 4 months, I mean we're ending in Mid May and at worse it will be end of September when it's back. Not saying it won't suck particularly as this season I doubt we are going to get everything as neatly tied up as in Season 1...
ReplyDeleteYeah me too. And that worries me. Maybe she'll be hunted by Shield 'cause she protected the Inhumans. Or her mother will die AND SHIELD will anbandon her....
ReplyDeleteI have to disagree about it because this war was brought by Shield policy. The index is no different from the Nazzis giving golden stars to undesirable people which really ring bell for Jiaying who was alive during the time. The Inhumans lived peacefully for centuries but then here comes the a big powerful organization which has a weapon to destroy them all. They say they want to prolife them and have all her data on their database but they will only attack the ones who they decide through their own arbitrary criteria that are evil and enemy. Seriously? Do you really not see anything wrong with that? It's like they went to negotiate with a gun pointed at them, it doesn't matter the sweet words to cover a very dangerous and unfair situation. This is too dangerous and Jiaying is protecting their people. Not to mention this organization has people with pretty nasty view about gifted among them. Right now they have a good director but they were once ruled by hydra, and all the Inhumans data will be there forever for them to do as they please. Skye might be upset because Jiaying manipulated the situation, but if she ends up thinking Jiaying was just another bad guy and doesn't realize what a great person her mother is for protecting their people and that Shield left them with no opinion because of their policy? Yes I'll be super irritated. Shield aren't heroes neither Jiaying is a villain and this has to be made very clear or it will just ruin the whole Inhumans plot for me.
ReplyDeleteRight. Maybe I thought it would make time fly, if I would exaggerate it a little bit. ;) let's just say it's too long.
ReplyDeleteI think so, too. I expect we'll get a very mean cliffhanger.
Like someone said, Andrew is probably there to help US deal with the trauma of the finale...
ReplyDeleteDidn't Coulson tell Simmons that prior to Skye there had been two lists? Both have potential threats but one gifted and the other not?
ReplyDeleteThat would tie into what Fury and Black Widow described in Avengers one. But it isn't the non gifted index we are talking about it is the gifted one that is the one that is the problem. What is the qualifications to be on that one - simply having a gift. Stark doesn't get on that one. Stark even though he was an international arms dealer probably wasn't too high up on the non gifted on until he became iron man and even then he himself isn't enhanced.
I would think SHIELd would demand, but by then the whole dynamic would probably prevent them.
ReplyDeleteTotally agree. Maybe they'll be the broken relationship we die through next season.
ReplyDeleteWould be fitting. Then next season is about her coming back I guess?
ReplyDeleteI know I'm probably going to get a lot of hate for saying this and it's probably a long shot, but I actually want the Inhumans to win the war against SHIELD. One thing though, I know Jiaying you were just trying to protect your people by going extreme lengths but I think you should have at least told Skye what you've done. Now she's going to probably resent you when the truth comes out and it will hurt. As for Skye, I think she just needs to leave both sides and be out on her own for a little bit (it's not the best decision but it's better than what she's going through now).
ReplyDeleteAnd that was what Jiaying should have done at least before jumping straight to causing a War, a War which is going to get a lot of people killed on both sides at best, and we know is going to have far reaching negative consequences for the entire world. Jiaying should have tried as much as possible to find a way to make Shield understand the Inhumans view. Instead Shield when they find out (guessing through Skye) are going to see them as Villians.
ReplyDeleteThought it was the other way round, up until Skye there was only one Index, now they are splitting it into Gifted and Enhanced. Remember Bobbi and Coulson having a conversation about the Index people Cal had gotten together, and Coulson told her the Index served both for Gifted and as a Watch list for Shield as well.
ReplyDeleteSo true by the sounds of it, going to be watching through my fingers I think.
ReplyDeleteI think it will be more than just resentment, if Skye fights Shield (hope to god doesn't kill anyone) and then finds out that she acted under false information...
ReplyDeleteIt's basically her parents tricking her into going to war against her other family and then getting caught having done so.
Thing with the Inhumans "winning" is that means the Registration Act comes ever closer, and the Inhumans can't win against the entire world (think about it, if it escalated to that level, Shield would be calling out the Helicarrier and the Avengers)
I'd say a bit of it anyway, with the Civil war aspects playing into as well (guessing with Shield still at War with the Inhumans). Without Skye I have no idea how they win agaisnt them to be honest. While Lincoln was taken down, he's only a Inhuman doctor, I'm presuming the guys in the blue shirts that Jiaying has gotten signs from before are the Inhuman security force. What level of skills and powers they have could make the difference
ReplyDeleteDamn straight.
ReplyDeleteIt's sad because the 2A relationship was good for both of them, as commented on by Andrew. Now with the Barhain comment and the upcoming fight...
ReplyDeleteI wonder what May's really feelings were when Skye asked her to be in the meeting?
yea why didn't the American Indians just move to another continent when "they" came for them and their land...
ReplyDeleteFury said Shield looked out for threats and Stark said the Avengers took out arms dealers - they aren't gifted but are a threat. Stark pre Iron man would be considered a potential threat due to his arms dealing and because he himself is powered. So the gifted Index is a watch list as much as it is a list of gifted people but it wouldn't be the only watch list they have.
ReplyDeleteBecause they would deem Stark a threat but they wouldn't take his blood for research like they did Lincoln. Why, without the suit Tony Stark is just a playboy, genius philanthropist. Lincoln can short a ship.
Look at history if what you wanted to happened ever worked...
ReplyDeleteSame here Gonna be really mad if it happens as such.
ReplyDeleteI want them to win too.
ReplyDeleteThat's just the portion of the Inhumans, but if it was a question of winning against the entire world the Royals could literately take em all out in seconds. But no they won't because they under Black Bolt are good like Superman standard.
ReplyDeleteI must disagree. "The Inhumans lived peacefully for centuries". It's true. But their isolation had changed, partly right because of her own daughter. The same acts and approach which served them before in a completely different situation can not be applied blindly in a new one. (Note: just for the sake of argument, how do we know that they were peaceful before if their secrets were on the stakes?)
ReplyDeleteJiaying did everything she thought could protect her people, because it was (again: she thought) their best interest. The problem is that if everybody acts purely on what is THEIR best interest and neglects that other people might have different, conflicting ones (which they have the same right to defend) the result is only mayhem and chaos.
Just because I get why she had this approach (her past, the allusion of indexing with the Hydra's methods, etc.) this doesn't make her acts an inch more rightful or justified than if SHIELD would have wanted to eradicate them without a word.
Raina is the best example why she mustn't wipe off SHIELD's concerns about the potential bad seeds among the inhumans. They themselves don't trust her, think she might be deceiving them (her own new family) to gain more power, and using her ability for this. It's not an outlandish idea that it could happen with another one too, who would want to use their power on humans.
I'm not saying that SHIELD shouldn't adapt their methods and protocols to the fact that there is a completely new factor in the game. But they had stepped through their own shadow and started to talk. This was something what Jianying wasn't willing or wasn't able. That may not make her a villain, but definitely makes her a bad leader.
OMG I don't even want to think about if Skye goes up against SHIELD and kills some agents and she comes to find out that Jiaying has been lying to her this whole time, that would be so devastating. As for the Inhumans, the Royal Family are really powerful so I believe they can wipe out SHIELD in one fell swoop I fear. The Helicarrier certainly won't be enough to defeat them but the Avengers on the other hand...that's a moment I would so like to witness.
ReplyDeleteYay!! Glad to see someones on the Inhumans side :) I fear we are a small group of supports for them though haha.
ReplyDeleteI was wondering if Gordon was in on it too. I assume Cal is as well. He agreed to let SHIELD have him way too easily otherwise. Jiaying is only delaying the inevitable. Skye will find out what she has done.
ReplyDeleteMaybe Gordon doesn't know but he understood the "GORDON WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT" so he might be suspect and come to realize how valuable Raina is.
ReplyDeleteYeah no doubt. Look at the Civil Cap Movie. Same premise. CAP says "HELL NO we are not registering!" and we know what ensues after. He has a understanding of powered people who are good hearted. He tried to reason with Scarlett and Silver and also explained to Hill that those were two citizens who wanted to protect their country and that is why they volunteered for Hydra's experiment. So yeah I do think Shield would have strong armed the Inhumans into indexing. And I imagine the community is gonna be split up. They need to set the inhumans plot for the Marvel Movie "INHUMANS" so it is gonna be interesting to see how the story line unravels itself for season 3.
ReplyDeleteExcept there was the fact she had no way to do that. Jiaying might be the one who officially sparked the actual confrontation but the very moment Shield stepped on Afterlife with the intention to index them they had declared War. You don't just invade someone's home. They weren't invited, they invited themselves, or Jiaying sat to "negotiate" or they would attack. What kind of negotiation is that? Skye has tried to say index was a bad idea, but Coulsonjust said it was the protocol. Shield was not backing down. Negotiations are only possible if there is trust which doesn't exist among them. Shield tried to kill her daughter, they were once run by Hydra and now they have the possession of a weapon which can destroy them. Very easy to ask someone to be reasonable when you are holding all the guns. She did what she thought was best for the sake of her people. As long as Shield exist, the Inhumans aren't safe.
ReplyDeleteI LOVE seeing the conversations AoSHIELD has started here and other places. I see so many people arguing over registration that Marvel couldn't have asked for a better set up for Civil War. It's very exciting stuff.
ReplyDeleteI don't think so. Interesting theory though. I think Riana was being genuine. But as the Wheadon stated earlier, she is her own worst enemy. It is her past that contradicts her present self. She was being sincere. And she asked Gordon why can't all people with KREE DNA go through the mist. I think Jiaying is selective because she knows that certain people are borderline pyshco paths or sociopaths and they don't want people like that with powers. But Riana I think because of her gift can identify which ones are going to turn out evil. I mean as long as she is honest. She can see the future and manipulate and give dishonest information to control the outcome. SO far she hasn't. I believe she was genuine and felt she had a purpose.
ReplyDeleteAre you kidding me? is the most long overdue hug of this show. I remember the first Coulson/Skye hug and how awkward it was and then it was a bunch of warmer hugs. The first May hug it was an awkward Simmons attempt so yeah please, a warm Skye/May hug to make all the bad go away.
ReplyDeleteShe won't do that to May. She will just quake her a few meters away and say she isn't welcome there. :/
ReplyDeleteBut you can see Skye takes a beatting from her. She has a major cut on her cheek. On hand in hand combat she has no chance against May so she needs to use her powers.
May admitting she couldn't be objective was a big deal. May has always being a top agent who can detach herself from any situation and think objectively but that changed with Skye and her mom. Just adding another layer of pain to their breaking relationship.
ReplyDeleteThe avengers are powerful but if you look at some of the powers inhumans have is just ridiculous. They would even out the avengers easily.
ReplyDeleteYeah, with Cal having all of his formula, it really does suggest to me that Jiaying planned everything alright. And yeah it's going to blow up in her face when Skye figures it out,, as Skye has already said she wants to protect everyone.
ReplyDeleteThe Nazzis considered the undesirable people dangerous to their nation, it's just another kind of dangerous, but they did think they were destroying their country and were the responsible for them losing the first war. But this is a complex subject. What is important is to realize that profiling people, be them Jews, Muslims, blacks out of fear of the danger they could possibly represent is never the right thing. Yes they have powers, but until the moment they use it to hurt someone, they are innocent and nobody has the right to profile them and monitor them. It's a matter of privacy and sovereignty of ones culture. Just because a person has the possibility to be dangerous they want to monitor them, but any person on earth with or without powers has the possibility to be dangerous. So this is basic arbitrary prejudice. Shield didn't stepped out of their shadow to talk, they pointed a gun to a group and ordered talk or deal with the consequences. Jiaying is a good leader cause she made the hard call to protect her people from Shield, her only bad decision is as a mother for hiding this from her daughter, although I understand she is probably just trying to protect her.
ReplyDeleteYeah, it's sad to see I wonder how they are going to interact next season...
ReplyDeleteThink we all know that isn't likely to come soon, unless the episode ends in a way I don't expect...
ReplyDeleteIt's not only Jiaying, the hole inhuman society is based on aristocracy and selection, as she said they have very strict rules. That won't change unitl the T-Bomb and that will be most likely part of "Infinity War".
ReplyDeleteI also want them to win. By this I mean I want them to get that Kree weapon on the ship so it won't be used against them, then destroy all data Shield has on them including that thing used to track Gordon and then after they just disappear again, continuing their secret life. Maybe move to the moon and go live on the royal city :) i don't want any inhuman to be arrested since they are just protecting themselves.
ReplyDeleteYess! Take that Kree stone from SHIELD, destroy all records of anything SHIELD has on them, remove that tracker on Gordon, and travel to Attilan to live peacefully with no harm. Perfect perfect plan, Greice! The Inhumans don't want to cause any harm.
ReplyDeleteSeems like Greice you and I are some of the few who see the whole picture.
ReplyDeleteFirst of the Nazis started their to index and deport the people who were darngerous for them, all others followed.
ReplyDeleteSecond, SHIELD indexes every gifted person they know about. The problem with SHIELDS talk is that a registration of the Inhumans was the absolutely minimum. And as that was Coulson's opinion I think you can imagine what the other members of the board wanted as they already saw the inhumans as a threat. That's not a base for negotiations it's a call for total surrender of a hole culture.
Nevertheless was Jiaying way to handle the situation more then wrong. As Gonzales came to negotiate at least she should have given him safe conduct out of Afterlife. If he would have attacked Afterlife afterward it would have been his problem. And above all she shouldn't start a war based on a lies, I know it is the most common way to start a war, but the way SHIELD acted toward the Inhumans it was just unnecessary.
It will all depend on the writing to the finale, but the way this show is in love with Mary Sue and Gary Sue, I don't doubt they will try to make Shield the good guys so Skye will realize Shield is her family and not the parents who went insane with the pain of losing her.
ReplyDeleteIt's atracking system, there's no way to stop Shield from building a replacement even if the Inhumans destroyed it. Both Hydra and Shield now know how to track Gordon.
ReplyDeleteYou talk as a reasonable person but fear has no reason, anyone can be perceived as dangerous. But whatever. I'm tired and quitting for the day. This war was inevitable and now both sides will deal with the consequence.
ReplyDeleteAs I said below: if Jiaying thinks their forces are enough to bring down SHIELD in an open war, then what SHIELD's opening position was, it's irrelevant.
ReplyDeleteNegotiations depends on power and the willingness to use that power, but also relies on how much the parties are willing to see the fears of the other side and what guarantees can they give against them.
SHIELD knows nothing about the inhumans. What they know before were only people who were intentionally modified usually for a sinister purpose. That's where they start from and blame them for it is foolish.
To change that position they should have known the inhumans better. Should have given them chance to know what failsaves they have against their own rogue ones (if there's any). Luring them into a trap and start a war is definitely the most devastating act against any possible trust.
Yeah, Skye will end up with SHIELD sooner or later and should Ward really become Hellfire, she will get back to him too.
ReplyDeleteAt least as we know that the Inhumans will be a big part of "Infinity War" and will have their own movie, it is safe to say that whatever will happen during the finale and next season can't harm them too much.
To me the minimum requirement of a good leader is to be reasonable. Any fool can act on fear or hatred.
ReplyDeleteWas there ever a kree stone on the comicbooks that could kill all the inhumans? as big as the war with shield looks. The stone is their biggest problem. I doubt will take long for Shield to find out what that stone is and what she can do so is a pressing concern for them and by the finales promo pictures looks like they go to the ship, wanting to sink or destroy the stone.
ReplyDeleteIf they want the civil war storyline to look fair they will need to write something better for the inhumans, especially to end the season. There will be a long hiatus so leaving them on a bad light will be very bad for season 3. They are not doing a good job so far. A lot of people here expressed their concerns toward this topic ever since they introduced the inhumans storyline and so far they are proving us right which is disappointing.
ReplyDeleteI sincerely hope this anti SHIELD Skye won't develop into a Skyward revival. With her on the outs with SHIELD as well as with the inhumans when the truth comes out who will she have to fall back on except another outcast like Ward.
ReplyDeleteThe opening position of SHIELD together with the fact that they have (unknowingly) a weapon of mass destruction that could kill all Inhumans are THE reasons for the attack. Otherwise nothing would have happened. What you implied is that the Inhumans want to attack SHIELD without any reason and that is plain wrong. If the Inhumans would have ever had the intention to attack humans they could have done that thousands of years ago before the human cultural history even started.
ReplyDeleteThe main problem for the negotiations was, that basically both site had their point of view and weren't even willing to understand the other side before they would have enforced their demands.
SHIELD knew that the Inhumans are much bigger and older then everything they ever dealt with and even Coulson's conclusion was that he wanted a more rigid approach. There was no room for SHIELD to know the Inhumans better if they wanted to registrate and control them before.
There are Inhumans with gifts strong enough to destroy hole worlds within seconds and they have a city on the moon unreachable for SHIELD. There may be not many of them but a handfull of them could destroy armies. What we saw with Afterlife is just a very small peace of their society
ReplyDeleteI think the biggest problem for SHIELD will be (as soon as they will have found out what really happened) that Jiaying attacked them without declaring them war. SHIELD is a more or less military and also very burocratique organisation with all the protocols, etc. Gonzales came to negotiate so he had to have safe conduct. If Jiaying would have told him the Inhumans would not let themselves registrated and would engage SHIELD if they would try to force them and would have send Gonzales back to Coulson with that information, everything would have been official. And then most likely SHIELD would have attacked them, but now there is practically no base for any future negotiations unless higher ranked levels would step in. And I doubt that will happen before Thanos arrive.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you. I'm on the Inhumans sides. They weren't hurting anyone, they just wanted ot be left alone. Gonzalez wanted to index and ttack them.
ReplyDeleteI think it will hard for Skye. She might see it as her mother mainpualting her, trying to turn her against her Shield family.
ReplyDeleteI feared they would do this although jaiyings decision is more complicated than that but now a lot of people will squat inhuman = BAD and I hate it they have to build goodwill for the movies and they do this I hope Jed and Maurissa don't make them come across as villians they have always wanted a peaceful life why show them as psychopaths.
ReplyDeleteIs Gary sue coulson because yes his writing is pissing me off I really don't like him anymore.
ReplyDeleteExactly, the Inhumans are not villains. That's not who they are. I really hope Jed and Mo don't mess this up.
ReplyDeleteaww Skye asking Jemma to leave and protecting her because she knows everything there will gonna get crazy real soon...
ReplyDeleteSimmons: "What about you"? <333 babes
and Jiaying is will regret this because this war will have bad repercussions (for both sides)
YOU BITCH JIAYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! let her see Gonzales then she'll know you killed him
ReplyDeletei know certain people didn't like that little series but i liked it, and those SHIELD character cameos were hilarious
ReplyDeletewhy? they're friends, SISTERS
ReplyDeletedefinitely agree
ReplyDeletei heard someone say that she made Cal look almost sane and they were definitely right!
ReplyDeleteyeah that's what i thought, if Skye sees him in crumbles she'll know for SURE Jiaying killed him
ReplyDeleteso you don't think Skye already believes Jiaying? that she still has doubts?
ReplyDeleteIt's almost like she was sad to lose Skye to her real mother... Honestly, May's actions surprised me this episode.
ReplyDeleteI thought about this some more, and I'm just not sure. I like Coulson's SHIELD, but Weaver and the rest of the council are just kind of are terrible. If I were Skye, I'd almost choose the Inhumans over them. But then again, it's such a lose-lose situation that who knows.
ReplyDeleteI know Jiaying disliked Gonzalez (to the point of murder), but maybe Coulson will be different. Unless he's on the side that favors indexing, in which case for sure no.
yeah when Coulson said that Jiaying was Skye's biological mom, she had this look, unless that was just me?
ReplyDeletethe ultimate twist would be, if Gonzales turns into an Inhuman too (with a missing hand, hehe) and confronts Jaiying about her lies.
ReplyDeletehave they EVER liked humans? do they protect them, care about what happens to them? because Jiaying HERSELF said to Skye she could give a rat's behind about humans, if that's not villainous i don't know what is
ReplyDeleteit wasn't a cocoon we actually saw him die
ReplyDeletei would LOVE that, sorry, you really think Skye will buy the crap that Jiaying's selling and make her anti-SHIELD? she's not that naive, she's Skye. I don't want a rift with her and SHIELD, ESPECIALLY her and Coulson, Jemma, Leo and May
ReplyDeleteOh god, the horror of that prospect... they'd better not go there. Even after all the disappointment from Coulson, May, Cal, Jiaying and everyone else, Skye has to know that Ward is still absolutely the worst of them all. If she goes to him, that's just the writers concocting a ridiculous scenario as fanservice for all the Skyeward shippers.
ReplyDeleteAt least Jiaying hasn't actively killed any humans until one of them was sitting across from her, after showing up at Afterlife unannounced, demanding to have all of her people registered, unlike certain other characters I could mention *ahem* GrantWard *ahem*.
ReplyDeleteor people won't believe her because, well she's Raina
ReplyDeleteThat is called coexistence.
ReplyDeleteAs Skye will fight one of the Inhumans during the season finale she has to find out next week. The question is what will be the outcome of the situation, I doubt she will stay with the Inhumans, but will she go back to SHIELD (if possible) or be on her own?
ReplyDeleteSorry, you are a classic person who can only see things black and white. Shield has done plenty of questinable and bad stuff and you don't see them as villains. Just as Jiaying did a lot of good things for generations.
ReplyDeleteI'd say right then she does trust Jiaying, she herself had issues with it being Gonzales being sent given his displayed attitude, hell her Quaking May shows she's not trusting Shield (and protecting Jiaying when Shield starts aerial bombardment of Afterlife). It will only be later that she turns against Jiaying.
ReplyDeleteShe's emotionally compromised with Jiaying being present (if she wasn't the one in charge I think Skye would have been less trusting of them). We know May and Skye fight, we know Skye is still at Afterlife when Shield attacks it. And at some point we know she and Alisha fight on the Carrier, what's between those two sets of events is the question.
ReplyDeleteNo Alex, he suffered a trauma that excuses any of the lives that he took, Jiaying has no such excuse for her actions.
ReplyDeleteYeah I would have prefered Jiaying tried to make Shield understand the Inhuman's view of the Index more before going to the Kill the Human action (maybe bring up WW2 and the Nurnberg Laws for example). But Shield didn't handle it smartly, ideally they should have used Skye as a go between to try and build a relationship with them, while keeping the fact that they had the location and ability to track Gordon to themselves while trying to figure out a worse case plan.
ReplyDeleteNo, I definitely saw something like that too!
ReplyDeleteOH RIGHT! Silly me. Jiaying is such a pampered little princess, ugh, I can't believe people would defend her.
ReplyDeleteIt's very subtle, I can understand how you missed it, the show didn't really flesh it out or anything ...
ReplyDeleteOnce things calm down Skye is gonna turn suspicious since Raina warned that this would happen. Which means that Raina was right and Jiaying meeting with SHIELD is a bad idea.
ReplyDeleteFurther confirming Raina vision about Jiaying starting the war and SHIELD responding to that attack.
ReplyDeleteAbout Raina's controlling Jiaying? Unlikely.
ReplyDeleteTechnically not true about inhumans not causing harms, case in the point Raina (manipulative and murderer of four SHIELD scientists at Kree temple), Eva and her daughter Katya (Bahrain incident). Jiaying knows inhumans are no different than humans including the enhanced (after all they are enhanced by Kree as weapons as Jiaying admitted).
ReplyDeleteThere is a reason why she was called a monster along with Zabo.
That will definitely alert the Kree network who will find out their experiment worked.
ReplyDeleteAnother case was with Eva using the diviner on her daughter who went insane causing carnage in Barhain until May (who did not know the existence of inhuman) was forced to kill both.
ReplyDeleteThat example further reinforce the points inhumans have also their own interest no different than humans Jiaying disregarded.
Also these action of inhumans in large scale will further alert their own creators, the Kree when they will find out their experiments were successful. In addition, Jiaying is a hypocrite knowing that inhumans need humans to survive much like she gave birth Sky with Zabo, a human.
ReplyDeleteBut then SHIELD have no idea that Kree stone was a weapon against inhumans, they only know HYDRA wanted it for weapon purpose.
ReplyDeleteInfiltrating a SHIELD base was already an security breach caused by Jiaying using both Gordon and Raina.That action shows Jiyaing action is no different than Gonzales.
In that case she would bring that Kree stone topic to Gonzales in the negotiation but chose not to. Instead, she murdered him in cold blood and fake the scene to start war. That action alone only reinforces her bad leadership and reveals more reason why she was called a monster.
Memo: Raina, Eva and Katya action did harm people which bring more reasons to index. Plus at the time, SHIELD knows nothing about inhumans until Vin-Tak, a Kree came on Earth after the Puerto Rico incident. It was inevitable their existence will be revealed whether Jiaying like or not. You can side inhumans all you want for war, their victory will be costly on their side too.
ReplyDeleteI think the reason Skye quakes May is mostly personal. You could see May is deeply emotionally hurt after Skye mentioned the Bahrain incident.
ReplyDeleteThat were actions from single persons and not attacks from the hole societey.
ReplyDeleteThat depends on how they use their gifts.
ReplyDeleteI think it's more she and May fight and Skye's not able to win (no surprise there, she might be more badass but May's the one that taught her), so she falls back on the gift to force May to leave.
ReplyDeleteYou're as xenophobic as hatefull here.
ReplyDeleteNo one would tell a possible opponent that he may have the abilty to destroy your hole race, especially if that one comes with the intention to took away the freedom of your hole society. That she didn't gave safe conduct was a no go, but that doesn't make her a monster.
Her action already made her a monster by killing a negotiator and self-inflict wound to star a war. Jiaying should simply asked Gonzales to leave. However, the sneak revealed she already have an agenda and the whole negotiate was a ruse from her. After all, she let Zabo being taken knowing he drink the vial that will make him mr Hyde.
ReplyDeleteIn that case the governments of every statethat attacked another on without declaring war or lying about the reasons would be monsters too. And that would include the United States, Great Britain, Russia, France, Germany, etc.
ReplyDeleteThe Inhumans from Afterlife (not the hole society) just started a war agaist SHIELD, an organisation that officially don't even exist anymore and that is on the run from it's own government, and not against the hole humanity.
ReplyDeleteOh, this is going to be bad. And ew at Jiaying blatantly manipulating and lying to Skye.
ReplyDeleteThat won't end well as soon as Skye will find out what happened.
ReplyDeletePoor Skye. Basically lose-lose any way you look at it.
ReplyDeletehere we go trying to make skye feel sorry for her!
ReplyDeleteWhen May asked Skye if her mother was everything she wished to so had a bad feeling. The show runners are obsessed with Mary Sue and Gary Stue, and this Shield is the only family Skye should have because they are the only good guys. That is the problem with a show about Agents. You put powered people there and quickly they overshadow the main cast, so you have to do something to undermine the most interesting characters so the normal ones who would be secondary instead of main in any other show can shine. I'm not even sorry for Skye, she was bland the first season, then got better the second, but only stood out and shone when got powers and started developing a relationship with her family and culture. Now she will go back to Shield is my only family and the only ones I should care about bs, and will become bland again joining the following blindly bandwagon. If they ruin Inhumans for me, I'm so gonna hate it.
ReplyDeleteOMG Skye I really hope that she'll not do it, I feel really sorry for Skye, she's definitely better with Coulson.
ReplyDeleteThat line Gonzales had about how the good luck charm (or whatever) he gave Jiaying is "insurance" is clearly meaningful. And now Skye has the charm... hmmm.
ReplyDeleteI hate how Jiaying is being manipulative towards her daughter. Ugh.
I'm guessing that Raina has actually told Skye what Jiaying has doneis planning and Skye thinks she's lying. I'm wondering if Raina has told her about that Charm and what happened.
ReplyDeleteThis makes me just sad...
ReplyDeleteI don't like where this is going... Jiaying trying to manipulate her own daughter... And I don't like that they are painting the Inhumans as the bad ones,...
ReplyDeleteAnd with every clip they show us I think it's more clear that Skye is going to walk away for everyone, both Shield and Inhimans. I've saying this for some weeks already.
They have to be very carefully, especially if the spoilers should turn out to be true that AoS will be involved in "Civil War" and the writers and directors of "Civil War" will also do "Infinity War".
ReplyDeleteBeing manipulated like that by your own mother. That's rough.
ReplyDeleteThis episode is called SOS: vilifying cooler characters who overshadowed the main cast, didn't you know?
ReplyDeleteI'm too disappointed and mad to be sad.
ReplyDeleteNot feeling too good about that charm; the way Gonzales was talking about it was suspicious.
ReplyDeleteI have the same feeling, the way he save this object on his pocket, he changed the place where he save it. I don´t know, right now, everything is suspicious
ReplyDeleteYeah, and that's what convinces Skye not to trust Jaiying when it all starts coming true. Although given that it's Raina, that might take a while.
ReplyDeleteI think the reason he changed the place was because he couldn't put it the same place as the gun
ReplyDeleteOh yeah, that´s right. He took the gun from this side
ReplyDeleteI might be wrong but I'm not sure Raina has ever lied to Skye, which is actually kind of weird considering everyone else has lied to her
ReplyDeleteYou know, I'm not sure about that either..? Hm.
ReplyDeleteThis is why the spin-off should have been about inhumans, to sort of tell both sides of the story without too much bias. This show is about agents but I don't see them presented as clear good guys and not every inhuman is a good guy but this index arc is blurring all the lines, as they promised. Fans are already choosing sides, and it's split in the middle, I think that's the writers' intention. I don't hate either side, I'm trying to see it from both view points.
ReplyDeleteI think the fans that are expecting the inhumans to be portrayed as all good, as setting themselves up to be majorly disappointed because as the name suggests, the show is more about agents and their interaction with everyone else, be it inhumans, or Hydra or the government than it is anything else. I'm not expecting them to dump this premise but somehow retain the name. That wouldn't make sense.
And those that attribute Jiaying's action against Gonzalez as if its an inhuman thing to do are short sighted. The show wouldn't introduce inhumans only to make them villains. The fact that there's a movie coming implies they are not evil. Marvel wants to sell inhumans as the next big thing and I'm certain they approve scripts long before their are filmed. They aren't villains as much as SHIELD isn't the good guy with the indexing. What we are seeing is an isolated thing based on trauma, on one side and paranoia, on the other side. Maybe it's not translating well that perhaps both side are overreacting and are therefore making terrible mistakes.
I happen to like Skye's relationship with Cal better than with Jiaying, however, I don't like Jiaying manipulating her daughter any more than everyone else that's already stated the same and Skye deserves at least one parent that is sane (something that I acknowledge is difficult, consideing what Hydra did and what Shield did by extension, removing Skye from her home). With all that, I just don't think we can write off this whole story as some vendetta against inhumans, by writers concerned more about agents coming across as the better option just yet. However, people's response to the story is a separate matter altogether and something Marvel doesn't have control over. I'm certain season 3 will continue to play out the whole registry thing and by the time we get to the Cap 3 tie in, I expect a satisfactory resolution with the index scrapped after its revealed to be inhumane and impeding on people's basic right to live free.
I bet Raina told Skye something about the charm and now she is maybe starting to believe her...
ReplyDeleteIs it just me or is Lincoln fighting Cal in the promo????
ReplyDeletePossibly. Raina could have told Skye that Gonzales gave the charm to Jiaying as a peace offering.
ReplyDeleteEven though I understand Jiaying's point of view, what she is doing to her own daughter is awful.
ReplyDeleteIt would be a lot more easily making Raina the villain instead of Jiaying. Would have been nice to see Skye have a sane parents but looks like Raina might be the one openning Skye's eyes to her mom manipulation. Who knew that was coming.
ReplyDeleteYeah, looks like that.
ReplyDeleteWise words. I wished both sides were represented as in a gray area. I completely agree we are dealing with trauma x paranoia. However, only the Inhumans are being portrayed as gray and perceived as bad by simple minded people, the same could be said about Gonzales shield, but my biggest problem is that Coulson Shield is still spot clean. They started to add nuances to it with Coulson secrets and Jemma resentment against gifted but it never came across. If they would just add layers to Shield and portray them taking as harsh measures as Jiaying, and making more clear the Inhumans reason, then I would have no complain. My problem is that the writers seem to lack the skill and boldness to do it. I won't judge before the finale, but I have big expectations about it.
ReplyDeleteyea Robert had good intention but when he referred to Jiaying's scars whas like his scars cause what hydra did to them both was a very bad insult to her and I understand her frustration at the sametime she should of never did what she did to Robert still though
ReplyDeleteRaina told Ward that the monsters were in fact Skye's parents. Which didn't make much sense when I thught Jiaying was dead but makes sense now. Raina heard the story directly from Cal, so I'm assuming he told her that the villagers called them both monsters.
ReplyDeleteIt didn't look like to me. Look like both are fighting Shield agents. Cal is in the base and Lincoln on the ship.
ReplyDeleteI agree there is no way the Inhumans are going to be painted as simple villians it is too complicated, because as you said the Inhumans are in fact a traumatised people and SHIELD as is with Real SHIELD is paranoid. Which is a real dangerous combination, especially when the traumatised have always had the ability to wipe out everything in their path if they feel truly threatened even if it doesn't make it right.
ReplyDeleteWith regard to the paranoid, I think it is kind of telling that the only agents that seem comfortable in the last episode were the three outside the playhouse when Real SHIELD were holding court.
Hunter, Coulson and Fitz still seem comfortable and trust each other. Everyone else, even Simmons who never really faltered in trying to protect Shield is kind of itchy, angsty, a bit darker and tinged with paranoia.
Would things have been different if the likes of Coulson had been in the room with Jiaying would have pushed Indexing in the same way? Probably not in the same manner, because he himself is tainted with Kree blood. He may not have been objective but he would be more open to work with her as Gonzales manner said he was there to get his indexing and that was the end of the matter. Coulson would have probably survived the diviner in some way as well.
But most importantly would he have carried a gun, probably not as it was a sit down to open negotiations because until Gonzalez pulled that Jiaying could have sold dropping of that crystal as an accident. Him pulling it after she dropped the crystal just justified her every action she is about to take.
As for Cap 3, yep the Inhumans are going to be the excuse for the act. But find it kind of telling the people who are most dangerous in this show aren't the actual 'gifted' or 'enhanced'. Stark isn't technically gifted out of the suit, he's a regular human, but it was him, not Thor, Cap or Banner that is responsible for Ultron.
Gonzalez and co are responsible for their own paranoia but why, it wasn't Coulson and co that was responsible for Hydra or the Inhumans even. But the Indexing seems to be were they are focusing instead of getting their own house in real order so Jiaying is completely right in what she said about seeing countless societies and those they see as different.
They'd lose it if Shield catalogued them. They could just hide somewhere else and not be found and avoid a war.
ReplyDeleteThey can survive and be free if they elude Shield. Shield doesn't have trackers on them. It just knows their "address".
I see that, but why a war? Why not just go away to a remote location once again?
ReplyDeleteIf her goal is to keep her people safe, why a war all of a sudden. I'd actually get it if she were to retreta, hide for a while and then strike back later, better prepared in order to take Shield down. This war seems rushed to me.
I don1t think Skye would go back to Shield now.
ReplyDeleteI'm not saying they should relocate. They could as a means to avoid bloodshed.
ReplyDeleteI'm talking about jeopardizing lives because of a location when it its not necessary to do so immediately.
I really don't know how you made the whole native american connection if I'm not questioning not their entitlement to the lands or who is right, but the risk they are taking by staying there.
Yeah, Lincoln would up one notch on the Mary Sue department if he wasn't fighting against SHIELD when even Skye seems to have bought Jiaying's BS, at least at first.
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