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The Vampire Diaries - Episode 6.17 - A Bird in a Gilded Cage - Producers' Preview

18 Mar 2015

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154 comments:

  1. Graydon18 March 2015 at 18:13

    I know they're psychopathic monsters, but no humanity and Caroline are entertaining as hell character wise.

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  2. Bruce_F18 March 2015 at 18:23

    Two things:
    1. Damon is actually looking for a non-murdery outlet for his rage? Who is that guy and what has he done with Damon?
    2. TVD is really telegraphing the Stefan/Caroline plot. Stefan is going to out-sociopath Caroline so much that it freaks her the hell out and she flips her switch back.

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  3. Spindae218 March 2015 at 18:28

    "She has a really pretty neck." I like rippery Stefan! Paul does such a great job while playing douche. He was a great Silas. Lets see how far he will push C.

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  4. Spindae218 March 2015 at 18:29

    And Elena didn't even tell him about Sarah. Will Lily kill Sarah? Uhh that would be a great Idea.

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  5. Joy Haldar18 March 2015 at 18:30

    https://31.media.tumblr.com/1a1cd7f6bdce1755def6f50c4b996f0d/tumblr_inline_nl60vrBEnO1rd7tbz.gif




    I'm pretty sure i'll be doing this the entire episode-Bring it on!

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  6. Graydon18 March 2015 at 18:31

    It's TVD when is it not telegraphed?

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  7. Bruce_F18 March 2015 at 18:34

    Elena isn't good with important stuff. I believe she genuinely has no idea how to approach the subject with Damon. That's why it will likely be Bonnie who does it. It will be the "gift" mentioned in the synopsis.

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  8. Bruce_F18 March 2015 at 18:35

    Fair point. Let me rephrase. TVD is telegraphing this subplot even more than usual.

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  9. Sara18 March 2015 at 18:36

    For one moment, let's all remember the pilot. Compare the guys you saw on pilot and the guys in this webclip. No matches...At all.
    I want this episode...as in...NOW!

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  10. Spindae218 March 2015 at 18:37

    Interesting. But I would enjoy to see Elena squirm a bit in trying to and I hope Lily grills her as never before.

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  11. Graydon18 March 2015 at 18:38

    Oh no doubt. I'm just too excited for emotionless Stefan to mind. I hope there is some subversion though of the end will all see.

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  12. Bruce_F18 March 2015 at 18:41

    The casting description from months ago did mention that the character we now know as Lily is supposedly fiercely protective of the people she cares about. Maybe you will see some grilling from her.

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  13. *A*18 March 2015 at 18:43

    So Damon was 21 when his mom Lily 'died' in 1860 and Stefan was 13/14.
    ( Damon born June 28, 1939 / Stefan born November 1, 1846. They were turned on Sept 25, 1864.

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  14. Bruce_F18 March 2015 at 18:45

    I suppose I can't blame you. "Don't give a f*ck" Stefan was the only version of the character that genuinely ever interested me. He's a lot of fun to watch.

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  15. Graydon18 March 2015 at 18:48

    Paul Wesley's ability to portray characters like that is the only reason Silas and his arc worked in any way for me.

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  16. Karolina18 March 2015 at 18:48

    Actually, Stefan was 10 when his mom died (Damon: You are 10. You can cry if you feel like it.). It's never even crossed my mind that the age difference between Stefan and Damon would be so huge! So, physically, Stefan's 17, and Damon's 28.

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  17. Bruce_F18 March 2015 at 18:49

    Well, no matches... sort of. If you want to compare pilot characters to these characters then Stefan is now Damon and Damon is Stefan...ish. It's more of a role thing than personality-wise with him. But yeah, I get your point.

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  18. Bruce_F18 March 2015 at 18:51

    He did a serviceable job as Silas. I'm probably the only one who thought Qetsiyah was more entertaining. I like a good unrepentantly crazy bitch character.

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  19. Shannon18 March 2015 at 19:03

    GAHHHHH!!!! IS IT THURSDAY YET!! WTF! WHY AM I WAITING??!!! they couldn't drag that out a little longer???? And whyyyyyy the hell is Elena smiling??? Did she NOT hear Damon say; "She's a ripper Elena??" Even after she sees Lily behind Damon she smiles?? Seriously??

    Damn Lily looks creepy, she sure has that face down packed!

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  20. Shannon18 March 2015 at 19:04

    Damon is 25. Not 28.

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  21. Shannon18 March 2015 at 19:06

    Hahahahahahaha!!! Oh Joy, that's two for two! I'll be right there with you, holding my breath!!

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  22. Shannon18 March 2015 at 19:07

    "Stefan is going to out sociopath Caroline so much that it freaks her the hell out and flips her switch back."

    Exactly.

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  23. Graydon18 March 2015 at 19:08

    I can't agree with yo that loved him as Silas. Tessa was hot and interesting, but way too batshit crazy for me.

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  24. Shannon18 March 2015 at 19:09

    Swoon. I love them. I loveee my dynamic duo. = D Ahhh I'm excited!!!

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  25. Carrigon18 March 2015 at 19:10

    This ep looks like it will be awesome. I'm looking forward to all of it, Damon and Elena with Damon's mother, Stefan and Caroline. It just looks awesome.

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  26. Graydon18 March 2015 at 19:11

    Lol I knew you would. :D

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  27. Bruce_F18 March 2015 at 19:11

    It's not that I disliked him as Silas, it's that I liked him better as Stefan when Klaus flipped his switch off.

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  28. Carrigon18 March 2015 at 19:11

    Elena is probably thinking it will be easy to get Damon's mother to turn on her humanity switch. But I doubt it will happen, or if it does, it will be in the last seconds of her life.

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  29. Shannon18 March 2015 at 19:13

    She's a moron. Or maybe she's just happy she's meeting her "future Mother in law." Awwww. Lol Yeah that's right, I got happy with those words. Sue me. Lol

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  30. Carrigon18 March 2015 at 19:14

    I wish they would get engaged. I would love to see a vampire wedding.

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  31. Karolina18 March 2015 at 19:17

    25 is another Charlotte of this fandom, Julie's just confirmed he's 28.

    Julie Plec: It’s really an episode about Damon trying to reunite with his mom who he’s believed had been dead from consumption since he was 21 years old.
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    Damon: You are 10. You can cry if you feel like it.



    Stefan was turned into a vampire when he was 17. Which means it was 7 years after his mother's death. 21+7=28.

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  32. Graydon18 March 2015 at 19:18

    So did I.

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  33. Shannon18 March 2015 at 19:25

    ME TOO!!! Are you serious?? I thought I was the only one!!!

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  34. Shannon18 March 2015 at 19:30

    I must've missed that. I'll watch it again. B/c as far as I know, they were 8 Yrs apart Stefan being 10. He being 18. BUT they've changed their ages (Damon's) a few times in this show, so i'm not surprised.

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  35. Sara18 March 2015 at 19:31

    But it was established in "Home" he was 173 years old. Season 5 was set in 2012. 148 years after they turned. 173 - 148 = 25.
    Don't trust Julie.

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  36. Shannon18 March 2015 at 19:32

    EXACTLY! I wouldn't trust anything that Julie says. B/c we've known him to be 25. When she says anything else I feel she's just babbling.

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  37. *A*18 March 2015 at 19:34

    So this is the 'latest'.
    Lily 'died' in 1858 ( not 1860 ) and Julie says Damon was 21 so he was born in 1837 and Stefan was 10 so he was born in 1848. The were turned at 27 and 17.

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  38. Sara18 March 2015 at 19:34

    LOL. I remember watching a clip of her talking about 5x11. She said Katherine took over Elena's body in 5x11 for the "next 8 episodes." After a second she corrected herself "6 episodes." It was actually only 4 episodes of Katherine occupying Elena's body. -_-

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  39. Karolina18 March 2015 at 19:39

    Let's not forget "I've been on this planet 160 some odd years. I've never come across [a werewolf]". That was back in season 2. Even if we assume that back then, Damon was 169, then it still doesn't add up.
    And let's not forget that Ian'd mentioned about 10000 versions of Damon's age. And the Pilot script claimed that Damon was 23.
    I'm gonna go with Julie's words on that one, because she was clearly asking Caroline for a confirmation, so they're probably going to go with their latest version of Damon's age. We'll see.

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  40. Graydon18 March 2015 at 19:43

    I find it humorous that you call her a moron yet are enticed with the prospect of a Delena wedding.

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  41. *A*18 March 2015 at 19:59

    Lets not rush this latest episode before the 27 day break ... and ... the remaining 5 episodes of the season.
    ( March 19th - April 16th )

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  42. *A*18 March 2015 at 20:01

    So this is the 'latest'.

    ( if Julie's right about him being 21 + show canon )

    Lily 'died' in 1858 ( not 1860 ) and Julie says Damon was 21 so he was born in 1837 and Stefan was 10 so he was born in 1848. They were turned at 27 and 17 ( one month short of 18 ) in 1846.

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  43. Shannon18 March 2015 at 20:24

    Smh, that woman needs a map on her wall of all her episodes to keep up. Lol

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  44. Shannon18 March 2015 at 20:27

    No no want to rush it. Lol I mean it's a huge downfall with the break afterwards, but I feel like I'll be disappointed with tonight's episode, and TVD will be the only thing good happening on Thursday to pick me up. The break will suck big time though. = (

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  45. Shannon18 March 2015 at 20:28

    Hahahaha I know. I'm a conundrum, what can I say? = p

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  46. Qwerty1212 no.218 March 2015 at 20:31

    I can't help myself but I see her as more and more of a moron every new episode we get... That "Damon, what are you doing?!" - happily relaxing while redecorating the house, obviously...


    Seriously, Elena is becoming miss "you don't say"... I just don't know if they are changing her this way on purpose or if they are completely unaware - their chirping about Elena's possible "mother in law" (doesn't look like it's gonna happen, lol, sorry guys - Ian already spoiled that) makes me believe they still see delena as endgame, maybe? In that case I they are making Elena look that dumb - at this rate she's going to be brain-dead by the end of the season, LOL

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  47. Graydon18 March 2015 at 20:39

    Yeah I would prefer that. I wish Elena had some sense of humour or really anything beyond her weird bored narcissism she always puts out post-vampirism.

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  48. Shannon18 March 2015 at 20:42

    I KNOW!!! I don't hate Elena, I never have, but lately she's just been irritating the shit outta me!!! And you're right!! It's with every episode!!! It's to the point where her VOICE is irritating. I can't get through one episode w/o being irritated by her. It's terrible!

    Dude, why would you do that to me? = ( I didn't see Ian's post on the not happening. Why are you being mean? = ( Pfft. Screw that, one can hope. Lol I'll stay happy that they chirped about it. (Even though I hate CD and stopped believing anything JP has said since the dawn of time). Well men and woman are always marrying someone less intelligent than them. One is always smarter than the other, (usually it's the woman who's smarter but not in this case, haha) so I say, let's ring that wedding bell. LOL

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  49. Shannon18 March 2015 at 20:44

    See that's the thing, she tried to put out a sense of humour and everyone hated her for it. LOL I didn't, but majority did.

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  50. Qwerty1212 no.218 March 2015 at 20:45

    Yes! There don't seem to be many things defining her personality or giving her something unique these days... I mean in the beginning, sure, but now? They make her look like a vampire basic bitch, LOL

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  51. Qwerty1212 no.218 March 2015 at 20:58

    "I KNOW!!! I don't hate Elena, I never have, but lately she's just been irritating the shit outta me!!! And you're right!! It's with every episode!!! It's to the point where her VOICE is irritating. I can't get through one episode w/o being irritated by her. It's terrible!"

    Exactly! Every word of this... I used to like Elena a lot, then I just liked her, but these days she's impossible to like - getting progressively dumber, with no personality of her own... she just keeps irritating me so much I will soon be allergic to the mere sound of her voice, LOL

    I'm sorry, honey, I thought you knew - I've once posted it here :( Anyway, that was in an interview with Ian and we know how he feels about these ships and what are his personal preferences, and... well, lately he's been progressively more personal in the interviews, more open about his own opinions and less telling what will really happen. So you can take it as something that can be just his opinion anyway :) And yes, I would take their chirping as a happy sign for every delena shipper :)

    Good point about one person in a relationship always being smarter about the other one, LOL. Makes me wonder who is it in jolaric? I mean... I love Ric, but at the very least she seems to be the more assertive one, LOL

    In case you wanted to read the interview anyway: http://tvline.com/2015/03/11/vampire-diaries-damon-elena-wedding-season-6-spoilers/

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  52. Shannon18 March 2015 at 20:59

    Damon also said in Woke Up With a Monster, "Well in a hundred and seventy odd years I've never known an instance where our blood cured cancer." To Caroline. And that was Just a few episodes ago.

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  53. Graydon18 March 2015 at 21:00

    It just feels like Dobrev has given up with Elena. With Katherine she seemed to care, but with Elena meh. God I miss Katherine. She was so cool, intimidating, hot, funny, intelligent, hot and hot.

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  54. Shannon18 March 2015 at 21:02

    Everybody keeps saying that. Her "giving up" I don't see it. As far as Kathering, you and I are definitely on opposing sides with that one.

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  55. Graydon18 March 2015 at 21:09

    Understandable was a total bitch.

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  56. Qwerty1212 no.218 March 2015 at 21:11

    It's even better when I imagine how happy Paul must have been about getting to play the funny/edgy Stefan again :)

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  57. Graydon18 March 2015 at 21:13

    He does love being the bad guy.

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  58. Qwerty1212 no.218 March 2015 at 21:24

    Seems plausible. Though Lily being a ripper made me think that SHE is going to get/use the cure, because being a ripper seems to be just part of one's vampire self, not their natural, human self (judging by Stefan).
    So human Lily = problem solved.

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  59. Karolina18 March 2015 at 21:29

    He'd be in his 170s if he was 28 during his transition into a vampire, though. I guess the time will tell. Or it won't ;) When it comes to Damon's age, the writers clearly keep changing their mind.

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  60. Shannon18 March 2015 at 21:30

    "I will soon be allergic to the mere sound of her voice." HahahahaHahahaha that was funny. And it's true. The way she talks, the way she stares, The doe eyes looks, the DUMB questions she asks, the way she eavesdrops on Caroline's conversations with Stefan!!! Even when she talks of Bonnie. I JUST CAN'T TAKE IT!! (Takes deep breath, calming down in..3...2...) Sigh. I didn't mind her so much last season, but this, she's giving me such an ongoing headache,I'm ready to take a power drill to my temple! I'm just waiting for her to do or say something smart!! Thank god I'm not holding my breath I would've been dead ten times over.

    You're forgiven. Did they do a Paleyfest panel?? I only watched Arrow and Flash, I didn't even think about my other shows. But Idt they did one, if I remember correctly. Ian and Paul have both been done with Elena, they've been saying that for years. That's no secret. So w/e he's saying now about Delena, I just shake it off, b/c they're still together. (Swoon. Sorry, had a moment lol)

    As for Jolaric that's a good question. LOL And i agree with everything you said. But seriously i'I'm going to have to go with Jo having the one up right now. Alaric is just...sigh. I mean who buys a ring right after their Gf's brother was killed? I mean geez! Life is short and all, but can the woman grieve?? = / And why would you tell her something like that? You couldn't lie to her and say, "I was taking a walk and saw this in the window right next to the restaurant we had our first date at." I mean how hard is that???

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  61. Shannon18 March 2015 at 21:31

    Lmaoooo, yes! She overstayed her welcome last season. I wanted to slit her throat, then mine. Lol

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  62. Bruce_F18 March 2015 at 21:37

    Kai says that Lily is a ripper. He may have merged with Luke but I'm still not willing to automatically accept everything he says as the truth.

    Anyway, the cure rapidly aged and killed Katherine because she was way older than a normal human should live. Lily is in the same boat. Giving her the cure is basically giving her a few months of life before she deteriorates and dies.

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  63. Qwerty1212 no.218 March 2015 at 21:44

    Good point about Kai, though I don't think lying about Lily would benefit him in any way...


    Well, I thought so too but then somebody here noted me that Katherine started having problems only after Silas has drained her of most of her blood, so the general consensus is that it's possible that without that happening, she would still be ok, i.e. that even older vampires may be able to take the cure.


    Quick thought - since this is TV and it's mostly about drawing emotions from us, what if mama Salvatore decided that she has had a long, lonely life as a monster already and now she would prefer to rather spend few month of "real" life with her family, as a mother she never truly got to be? That would IMHO seem weirdly fitting...

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  64. DebraFan18 March 2015 at 21:47

    Don't mind me, @Bruce_F and @Graydon - just passing through, upvoting your conversation. :)

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  65. Bruce_F18 March 2015 at 21:47

    That would be an interesting take and a refreshingly humane one. Although, the show would basically be going through the same process with Lily as they did with Liz. I don't know if they'll want to repeat that.

    As far as Kai goes, I agree that lying wouldn't benefit him. I'm just suspicious that maybe the coven wants her locked away in there for some reason.

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  66. Bruce_F18 March 2015 at 21:48

    Right back at you.

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  67. Graydon18 March 2015 at 21:56

    Lol. Thanks. :D

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  68. Qwerty1212 no.218 March 2015 at 21:57

    Hahaha, again I must agree with every single word you've said about Elena :) Frankly, I quite admire that you're still a delena shipper at this point, how do you do it? LOL... Because the way that Elena is changing this season erased all that was left of my previous delena feelings...


    They did not :( I was sorry that TVD didn't get a panel but then my easily hypable self thought "well, perhaps they don't want to spoil those cool things they have left for the rest of the season!" and I kinda went with that :D


    Exactly! I've always loved Alaric but this season he's mostly been rather underwhelming, sigh... He really seems rather clueless with Jo, good think she is so understanding :) And agreed that she has the one up right now.

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  69. Qwerty1212 no.218 March 2015 at 22:02

    True, only if they somehow used it as a deliberate parallel...

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  70. Bruce_F18 March 2015 at 22:11

    The only other question I have here is if Bonnie got her hands on another dose of the cure, wouldn't she want to give it to her own mother instead?

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  71. Qwerty1212 no.218 March 2015 at 22:22

    Another very good point! The only reason I can think about is that Bonnie is not exactly close with her and probably still feels wronged by her... Still it would make an interesting choice if she rather ended up giving that cure to Damon for his mother.

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  72. Bruce_F18 March 2015 at 22:26

    Let's just say it. Bonnie's mom is the worst.

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  73. Qwerty1212 no.218 March 2015 at 22:28

    Exactly, she is such a Lettie Mae from True Blood, LOL!

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  74. Bruce_F18 March 2015 at 22:35

    I wasn't a fan either. Not even at the very end when they tried to make her a little likable.

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  75. Carrigon18 March 2015 at 22:35

    I've been waiting for it. If I had written a fanfic, I would have done one where they restore the old Salvatore plantation house and get married in it. I don't know why Damon hasn't proposed to her yet. But she really needs to get back her full memories first.

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  76. ivan18 March 2015 at 22:58

    o-k maybe he really, no, no he's definitely faking

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  77. ivan18 March 2015 at 22:59

    Ripper stefan IS the ultimate sociopath

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  78. ivan18 March 2015 at 23:00

    and she just found his mom's a Ripper

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  79. Joy Haldar18 March 2015 at 23:02

    Bamon moments,Mama's real entry,cray stefan-caroline combo-This episode is surely gonna be one of the best episodes of this season!

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  80. ivan18 March 2015 at 23:04

    we sure Caroline has HER humanity off? LOL because she looks pretty scared

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  81. ivan18 March 2015 at 23:06

    LOL and poor Damon "futire mother-in-law" you got that right!!!, well Caroline you wanted a no-humanity stefan, well now you have him and not just that now you have the Ripper

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  82. Shannon18 March 2015 at 23:14

    Well, I don't drop my ships. I mean all my ships, go through up and downs, as w/e series runs for, but that doesn't mean I'll drop them. When I think of Delena, I think of ALL the things they went through, and I just get so happy. And i smile b/c they've been through a lot. I've been shipping them for 6 years that's never going to go away. No matter what TPTB, or some anti fan throws at me. Right now, I want them to be happy, like really really happy. And not just happy right before someone dies or is about to die. However, even though they're my OTP, that doesn't mean I don't get royally pissed or tired of them half the time. Even to the point where, I just don't care to see them, I'd rather see someone else, or something else, it's happened, it's happened a few times, I'll admit that, but at the end of the day, I still love em'. = ) Shrugs. But Steroline is right right right behind them. They always have been. But I'm MUCH more invested in Steroline than Delena right now. And I have been since last season. (And that's probably b/c I've been waiting forever and regardless of them getting there now, the romantic part, Steroline is always entertaining as a pair, no matter what's going on).

    Don't even get me started on the mind erase. That will forever break my heart til it's fixed. I honestly can't talk about it b/c it makes me FURIOUS if I have to think about it. But iI still hold a strained of hope that they will overcome this. Right now though i'm not feeling it. Like during her speech, right before they slept together, "for the first time" iI wasn't feeling it. That was a moment iI was supposed to be excited about, and all iI kept thinking was " I hope they don't end the episode with Delena."

    It sucks that they didn't have a panel, but you make a great point. And this is very true, we don't always have to agree. Which iI think is part of the fun. But iI said "You're forgiven" b/c you said sorry, and iI didn't want you to think iI was mad at you. Lol But then again, hello it's me, iI think YOU'D KNOW when i'd be mad at you. LOL (Like everyone else on this site.) I don't hold back the anger, but i'd have to be pretty damn angry. Lol "Don't make me angry. You wouldn't like me when i'm angry." = p

    He's been underwhelming b/c stupid Jo had to go and save his stupid life, and bring him back as a stupid human being!! UGH! Yes that still bothers me.

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  83. ivan18 March 2015 at 23:16

    sort of like Cora on Once Upon a Time?

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  84. ivan18 March 2015 at 23:18

    in her defense Lily looks pretty humanity on not off, but nice trick Lily but i ain't buying it

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  85. Shannon18 March 2015 at 23:23

    If you decide to do so, lmk. = )......I'd honestly prefer, (if it were ever going to happen) them eloping. I could definitely see that happening if they took a roadtrip and came back married. That way it's a win win. Lol Damon keeps his promise to Elena that "this is forever." They get married in private, so nothing can go wrong. Caroline wouldn't have to organize the wedding, (she can plan her own wedding with Stefan. Hehe), Alaric wouldn't be drunk and crying over his best friend getting hitched, and Bonnie wouldn't catch the bouquet, b/c let's face it that woman will be single til the end of the show, so her catching it will just be embarrassing. Oh! And Matt wouldn't have to be the flower girl. LOL

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  86. Graydon19 March 2015 at 00:08

    I could see. Actually if he does turn out to be doing so and Caroline learns it that would be a pretty cool plot in itself.

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  87. Qwerty1212 no.219 March 2015 at 00:21

    Well, this is an explanation I understand :) And like I said I do find that admirable, even though I don’t have the strength myself (well, with the rest of my shows/fandoms I usually stay faithful to my shipper choices but not with TVD, I guess they are too ever-changing in this for me, LOL)... When I rewatch old seasons I still get somehow excited about delena, after all I have never been a stelena fan, since the very beginning I was like “seriously, how can you keep choosing Stefan over Damon?”, Damon has always been my number 1 since his dark beginnings, over the bad boy phase, to his current tamer self :D So whatever is making him happy, interesting and true to his self is ultimately fine by me. But how you mention “not feeling it” about their “first” time and all – that is exactly how I felt too. Even the rain kiss scene – everybody seemed to love it but for me it somehow wasn’t there, I mean if I compare it to let’s say that kiss they had at the motel, that is IMHO still one of the hottest/most beautiful kisses on the show to this date, LOL. But the new version of delena, even the season 5 part 2, somehow it’s not really there for me *shrugs*... So when we got those hilarious scenes with him and Bonnie this season, I’ll admit it didn’t take that much for me to become “team bamon”. Still I understand being loyal to delena and... while I’m most definitely a shipper, I will always prefer a good storytelling over just getting what I want in some clumsy fashion so – whatever works, delena, bamon or anything, just make it worth it, Julie!

    And yes, steroline has been such a delight! And agreed that they are always entertaining as a pair, whether romantic or not – that for me is one of the reasons why I love bamon (ok, shutting up about it riiight now, LOL) :)

    Oh yes, that damned mind erase! I only cheered when Elena was giving Stefan that “I know how you feel... I lost Bonnie!” speech and Stefan called her up on it, haha. Even with all his recklessness at times, Damon must have endless patience for Elena to forgive her for it... And now they have dragged it for so long that I don’t even what they are going to do with it – are they going to suddenly cure her without there seemingly being any way? Are they going to forever leave her like this? All of that makes me think that whatever they do about it, it will always leave a very bad taste in my mouth...

    Thank you :) And of course I do, it just seemed as a fun idea at the time... and I also wanted to let you know that while we may disagree on some points, it’s not making this any less enjoyable for me ;)

    So I’m NOT the only one? Because I have always absolutely hated that! Mostly because before this season started, I was super-excited about Alaric’s new vampire self. I mean – one of a kind enhanced original vampire who is super strong, unkillable and straight up badass? Yes please, LOL! I kept imagining how they are going to explore his abilities or use them (Alaric saving the day for everyone)... and they did NOTHING with it :( Ugh, I still can’t forgive them for this... So many possibilities lost. Also watching him struggling with being a vampire would be awesome on its own. And no, instead they just turn him back *facepalm*. Then they somehow managed to take away most of his interesting personality... And when they even made him an abstinent for a while, I thought I’m gonna loose it, LOL. So far Alaric has been probably the most underwhelming plot of season 6 for me (and I DO like Jo)...

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  88. ivan19 March 2015 at 00:41

    yeah i NEED a Damon and Elena wedding, i can just hear his proposal speech

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  89. DianaPauline19 March 2015 at 01:55

    I agree with your timeline. Damon and Stefan turned in 1864 after The Battle of Willow Creek which probably took place in late 1864, according to "Love You To Death: The Unofficial Companion to The Vampire Diaries, Season 5". The book states that Damon was born in 1839 ("Home"), no month given. Therefore Damon would have been 25 years old in 1864 (or 24 if his birthday fell after the battle). The book further states that Stefan was born in early November 1847 ("162 Candles"). We know Stefan was 17 when he turned so The Battle of Willow Creek would have happened after his birthday. (To be consistent, If he was 10 years old when his mom "died" in 1858 she must have died before his birthday.)

    For some reason I've always had it in my head that there was a 6-year difference between the brothers' ages but at this point I have no idea where I got that from. Eight years is an even bigger gap. I can read a lot into that age gap. Like, I wonder if Stefan was a "surprise", or if HE could be the brother who wasn't fathered by Giuseppe rather than Damon as some fans have speculated.

    I definitely agree with you that Julie is sometimes inconsistent when giving "facts" about TVD - I've picked up on some of those inconsistencies myself.

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  90. DianaPauline19 March 2015 at 02:08

    Elena does seem to be getting pushed into the background in the latter half of this season and I doubt Nina would be happy about that. She was such a "star" in previous seasons, but no longer. I would like to think she's a professional who wouldn't let that affect her performance. But I have to say I think her performance was affected in Season 5 after she and Ian broke up. i heard that she asked not to be in many scenes with him and she got that to some extent. It took her until this season to appear to be comfortable acting with him again. But we're all human and nobody's perfect.

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  91. Carrigon19 March 2015 at 02:18

    If I were going to write an ep for it, I would actually have every single thing go comically wrong up until the vows. I just think it would make an entertaining ep. I really wish the writers would give us a wedding. But I haven't heard even a rumor of it going in that direction.

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  92. guest19 March 2015 at 03:01

    I'm assuming Stefan is getting revenge against Caroline, since she forced him to turn off his humanity and for hurting his niece.

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  93. Sol19 March 2015 at 03:45

    I agree. there has to be more to the Lily-Gemini story. why did they create a prison world for her? why not just stake her and be done with it?
    if there isn't more to the story this will be the biggest plothole ever.

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  94. Bruce_F19 March 2015 at 05:04

    Not the biggest but it definitely would make very little sense. I get that the Gemini coven had to keep Kai around because he was a twin and they might need him for a merge. But in Lily's case, there's seemingly no reason for a coven to keep a ripper around and no reason why an entire coven of witches couldn't simply kill her if she was a problem.

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  95. Shannon19 March 2015 at 05:22

    Idt they plan on doing that at all. I wouldn't even bet on it for next season.

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  96. Shannon19 March 2015 at 05:22

    Same.

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  97. Shannon19 March 2015 at 05:25

    Lily looks psychotic. Not pretty. Psychotic.

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  98. Shannon19 March 2015 at 05:26

    It's off. Her looking nervous just means Stefan's plan is working. = )

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  99. Shannon19 March 2015 at 05:29

    Agreed with everything, except one thing so i'll change it....Bonkai (or Konnie) moments, Crazy ass Lily Salvatore entry, Dark Steroline pairing. = )

    This season has been killing it. I'll be looking at the clock all day just counting down the minutes.

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  100. *A*19 March 2015 at 06:16

    Calling it. Lily will be the season seven 'villain'. Damon and Stefan will have to stop their mother well somehow keeping her alive.

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  101. Joy Haldar19 March 2015 at 06:43

    I can't wait to see Bonnie take down Kai once and for all-as much i like him,his time has come to die!

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  102. Shannon19 March 2015 at 06:52

    Omggggg you and me are so alike-ish. LOL..ok here we go. One, I have NEVER EVER EVER, been a Stelena Fan. In fact i I hated Stefan, I couldn't stand him. For soooo many reasons, he had his moments here and there, but yeah I hated his guts. It took me a very long time to say, "ok I can try and like him now." And that was by season 4. I kid you not. I was always a Damon girl, always Team Damon, that's my boo. I'm his ride or die chick. Lol You have no idea the lengths I would go to defend him. Aw man I could write a book for back in those days. Lol Hell I still defend him now, I'm just more tamed about it. But I've always called him out on his crap. (Just b/c he's my favorite doesn't make me blind). Where I didn't approve.

    I really liked the rain kiss, I mean I could've done w/o it, but I thought it was really sweet. They were soooo happy. In total bliss. I thought it was beautiful. And it was a bonus for me b/c I really wanted to see the moments they shared during the summer and it was never shown. And I hated that with a passion. It was only talked about and I wanted to see some of it. It didn't have to be the rain kiss, it could've been any scene, but it was that kiss, so I was happy with it. But I can understand that you didn't feel it. I mean some people didn't. That was understandable. I liked it and all but I wasn't "over the moon" for it. Now the motel kiss. That was incredibly special to me b/c it reminded me of the book. And man did I replay the scene to the ground. Lol DL the music, acted it out, everything. Lol Like you, that goes down as one of my favorite kisses in the series. As much as I hate Bamon and will never be on board with it. Friendship or not. It doesn't matter, I'd pick talking to a Bamon shipper over talking to a Klaroline shipper any day of the week!!!!!! They're the worst. I seriously can't take them. Why they're still hanging around, wishing for those two, I have no idea. So you're good. But your "ok shutting up right now" cracked me up. I wish you could've seen my face, but that comment totally straightened it out. LOL I can talk about it for 5 minutes, maybe ten. (If i closed my eyes lol) after that, i'll get uncomfortable. Lol I don't really get the Bamon shippers, (seriously I've always blamed it on the books, and will continue to do so til this series ends) I don't see it, I don't believe in this "friendship" they suddenly have, unless I start seeing proof of it. (Which even that probably won't help), BUT I do try my hardest to keep a level head when they're on screen. Or rather I just watch them with no thought whatsoever. Lol That's usually how it goes for me, i just watch with no feelings whatsoever. But yeah you're fine. As far as Delena, i can't 100% enjoy them til she gets her memories back. I just can't. And i agree with you sooo much.I'd prefer a good storytelling over getting something that i wanted. I need the JOURNEY towards getting what i want. Not just getting it w/o some sort of struggle. That's boring. And i've never been the type to just watch a tv show for just a couple. ( i can't stand those fans, they make me sick).

    You kiddin? I'm having a ball. = p, and yesssssss. THIS! About Alaric! I was sooo excited to see this badass uber vamp and they did nothing with it. It pissed me off. That scene when they went over the border i kept yelling PULL HIM ACROSS!!! And she stalled doing her "doctor duties" and he came back human.. WHAT?! That's like 70% of the reason i don't like her. Lol I do not. But i'll respect it since Alaric seems to be so in love with her. And like i said i love Alaric, so i'll swallow it.

    Soooo yeahh, new episode tonight. LOL = p

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  103. ivan19 March 2015 at 07:26

    it's so funny though isn't it? LOL she put on this big show about not caring and here she is: scared crapless of The Ripper, regretting that choice no Care Bear? HA!

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  104. ivan19 March 2015 at 07:28

    maybe they didn't want her dead but punished forever

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  105. ivan19 March 2015 at 07:29

    oh not THIS season? ever since they turned Kai into a semi-ally?

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  106. ivan19 March 2015 at 07:29

    what does he care?

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  107. Shannon19 March 2015 at 07:35

    I don't find it funny. I mean I know what you're saying but I don't view it as such. I already knew how this was going to play out. And it makes a lot of sense, for many reasons, as I've also elaborated on in the past. I think it's a very smart move, and the only thing that will work.

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  108. Shannon19 March 2015 at 07:38

    He can die by the finale. He hasn't overstayed his welcome for me yet. (Just really don't like this new Kai. Enzo can go before Kai does) I'm very much looking forward to him and Bonnie's scenes. I've missed them.

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  109. ivan19 March 2015 at 09:53

    i guess

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  110. Joy Haldar19 March 2015 at 09:54

    Keep dreaming my friend,As much as you want to see him gone,he isn't going anywhere anytime soon & you know it very well.

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  111. ivan19 March 2015 at 10:26

    no i meant that she looks like she has her humanity on not off LOL, and yeah she definitely looks psychotic

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  112. Joy Haldar19 March 2015 at 10:28

    A pic of TVD BTS(episode 20) to irritate you in my spare time-Just remember i love you.LOL!

    https://igcdn-photos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/11055804_1616936895186456_435573938_n.jpg

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  113. Gwen19 March 2015 at 11:01

    Agree - I read an article recently that said that she is the worst kind of vampire, has forgotten her bond with her boys, knows a lot more of the history of MF and future episodes will be about the boys & Lily trying to find their way back to each other, become a family again. But you are right I expect there to be much heart-ship before all that happens.

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  114. DianaPauline19 March 2015 at 11:03

    According to Wikipedia, "A Bird in a Gilded Cage" was one of the most popular songs of the year 1900. It's a sentimental ballad, or tear-jerker, that describes the sad life of a beautiful woman who married for money instead of love. The song could be a description of Lily's marriage to Giuseppe Salvatore, or a reference to her being in the prison world. Her 1903 prison world doesn't look so "gilded" to me - all that snow, dark, cold and alone - but it is a cage because it's a prison with no way out, and she is in the lavish Salvatore home.

    If the song is really a description of Lily's marriage it could mean she found a way out by willingly becoming a vampire. A woman in the mid-1800s wouldn't have a chance in the world on her own, but as a vampire she could take care of herself very well. "Faking her death" might mean she just disappeared and Giuseppe, always conscious of his reputation, could have staged a funeral so no one would know that his wife had abandoned him and her sons.

    I can hardly wait until tonight to find out!

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  115. DianaPauline19 March 2015 at 11:14

    I agree. I was going to say that "St. Stefan" isn't a vengeful person, but when I think about it I realize that's true. He wanted revenge against Klaus, revenge against Silas, and wanted to kill Damon for making his life a misery whenever Damon came around. Am I forgetting anyone? Marcos maybe? Katherine?

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  116. Sol19 March 2015 at 13:05

    the history of MF? sounds interesting

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  117. Qwerty1212 no.219 March 2015 at 13:44

    Yep – god help us, LOL... Exactly! :) For the longest time I didn’t really like Stefan – not that I would hate him, I was just completely „meh“ about him, something like how I feel about Elena these days... I only genuinely enjoy the non-humanity Stefan (so you can imagine how much I’m looking forward to the episode today), but I came to root for him and I love Caroline’s influence on him, she really makes him much more interesting for me :) And 100% YES on being Team Damon, that is something that is never going to change for me. He did his fair share of bad things but... there is such a complexity and potential about him, I see him as a perfect anti-hero :)

    I completely understand how you feel about the rain kiss, it was beautifully shot, it was great in showing they honeymoon period during the summer... it’s really baffling to me why it didn’t work for me in the end, but... whatever, I’m glad that those that have been waiting for it for years finally got the scene. And that motel scene... it’s a good thing we don’t use VHS anymore because if I had it on a cassette, I surely would have ruined it with how many times I have replayed the scene :P Even as a non-book reader. Btw quick question if you don’t mind – are the books worth it? I was thinking about reading them the other day and I found out that basically lot of people say that the first 7 books written by L. J. Smith are amazing, but then when the ghostwriters took over, it became rather underwhelming... And I hate when my favorite shows/book series don’t get a proper ending :(

    Well, as the Klaroline shippers go, I’m actually sorry for them. As crazy as many of them are, if I was a klaroline shipper, I would have to be quite mad about what has happened. „Not going there“ with a ship is one thing, but giving them a one-time thing that was questionable at best and then saying „that’s it, folks“ seems rather heartless to me. Like – wouldn’t it be better to not go there at all? It’s also a fine example of that „getting what you want in such a clumsy way that it ruins everything“. I don’t know, next time I meet a klaroline shipper, I must ask them what they think about it, LOL. Well, in a way I perhaps get why you don’t feel bamon at all – before this season began there was a poll about whether people want them to stay frenemies at best, make them good friends or become a couple. And I was shocked that about more than 30% people voted for a couple. I kept thinking „no way could this work, no way... they will be good friends at best, as they should be“... But then when the season started, I just kinda saw it :) It also may be a personal experience thing for me, since I have been through something very similar myself. I usually tend to come out as a shy introvert IRL who is too nice and shy to be popular. And few years ago I met a guy who seemed like a complete opposite of me – a bad boy, straight up badass who was always honest no matter the consequences, with a hilariously incorrect sense of humour, yet a good friend... simply a lot like Damon, LOL. People expected us to hate each other and for a while we were frenemies of sorts, but after some time we found out we have a lot more in common than it seemed and that there are some things about us that nobody else ever understood. So long story short – we actually became best friends and through the process have been through a lot of bickering, both of us changed, I became more confident , crazier and fun perhaps, he got a little tamer and more thoughtful of what he says, LOL... And I can see a lot of that process with Bonnie and Damon, so there is that :)

    Oh, me too :) Yes, I will never be able to forgive Jo for this... or the writers. Yet I find Jo hilariously weird at times, so her and Alaric’s collective weirdness somehow makes me like them...

    Oh gosh YES! I can’t wait for it... And I’m trying not to think too much about the hiatus after that... :( :)

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  118. Qwerty1212 no.219 March 2015 at 13:50

    That sounds really interesting. You probably don't happen to have a link for that article, do you? :)

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  119. DianaPauline19 March 2015 at 13:55

    When Damon lets Stefan in on the mom situation and he meets her, maybe his love for her will snap him out of it. That is, if he's not totally freaked out by her deal.

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  120. Qwerty1212 no.219 March 2015 at 14:05

    True, she almost seems like a secondary character at this point, while Caroline is replacing her as a main character (not that I really mind this change). Sadly, she's boring and annoying even for a secondary character. And I was wondering about the same thing - I mean they are both professionals, really great actors and all, but it sure does look like there may be too much bad blood between them. I don't regularly check what they do on social networks but I remember Nina posting some passive aggressive things clearly aimed at Ian after he got engaged... And I wonder how much of an accident it is that in Ian's brilliant episode he didn't have a single scene with her, LOL. Anyway, I wish both of them the best but I would like them all to come up with a solution that really works, so don't just push Elena to background and pretend like we won't notice, just deal with it.

    Else this is gonna be like in Dexter where the divorce between Jennifer Carpenter and Michael C. Hall ended up affecting the storyline and was essentially a first nail to the show's coffin (all while JC and MCH definitely seemed more friendly and comfortable with each other than Nina and Ian are now).

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  121. Shannon19 March 2015 at 16:02

    I don't believe that theory at all. Actually I think it's a really dumb theory. Why people are even thinking that. YOu gotta admit that's a bit of a stretch. But we'll see.

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  122. Shannon19 March 2015 at 16:04

    I'm more irritated by your action than the picture. = /

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  123. Shannon19 March 2015 at 16:04

    Why would she not have her humanity on? = /

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  124. Shannon19 March 2015 at 16:11

    Actually I don't "Know it very well". And I'd prefer him to be gone before Kai. Very much so. And will continue to do so. I believe Enzo will be gone by the finale. And I'll wait til it airs to find out. Not by you showing me BTS pics. You know how i feel about spoilers. Regardless if it was a BTS photo or not, iI didn't willingly go looking for it, or even brought it up, to let you know that iI saw it. So yes you made me mad with that. Even though iI know you were being a playful dick, it still bothered me. That's one joke, iI couldn't get on board with. BUT as far as the picture goes, just b/c he's in that photo doesn't mean he'll survive said episode. Remember that.

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  125. Joy Haldar19 March 2015 at 16:19

    I don't have to remember anything about your hateful & biased predictions for this character.It's one thing to wish for something,i get that but your judgement power is obliterated when it comes to him.I hate tyler and want to see him gone that's doesn't mean i will choose to ignore the facts in front of me that he's not going anywhere as much i want it.This pic clearly indicates they both are searching for some info,probably has something to do with mama salvatore or the hell she has probably unleashed by now-but no,you came to the conclusion,he might be dead and appearing magically as a ghost/FB/Dream sequence?Wow!
    I love you shannon and you're a pretty reasonable gal but this is ridiculous.

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  126. Shannon19 March 2015 at 16:45

    Yeah you do. You think b/c you like a character that they'll stay forever? Or you at least want them to? You think he's safe b/c JP has a crush? She had a thing for Matt too and you see how that played out. I've already told you how much iI hate him, I've already told you reasons for why I hate him, just so you can be "humoured" as you requested. The point of you shoving him down my throat to try and prove some point With that photo, just to spite me, THAT is what is ridiculous. And like Tyler, Enzo has no point to this freaking show. He serves no purpose whatsoever. And he hasn't for a long time. They really just dragged him out b/c they didn't know what to do with him. Tyler, I've wanted Tyler gone fore yearssssss, but by THIS season I had to come to that fact that that guy wasn't going anywhere, and it wasn't UNTIL it was announced that Steven was leaving. NOW if Enzo DOES end up staying til the finale, (which again I believe he won't) then like Tyler, I won't be giving in to the fact that he isn't going anywhere until probably someone else more useless decides to leave. And that's that. You parading him in front of me isn't going to change that. As for as your "dream sequence/FB/ghost comment." I have no idea wtf you're talking about?? Elaborate?? = /

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  127. Joy Haldar19 March 2015 at 16:54

    If he is dead by episode 20(as you wish/think),why would be he in the season finale in the first place?( michael malarkey confirmed this a few days ago)Unless it's any of the above scenarios.
    But at the end of the day,it's just a fictional character and we both are real so let's not get into argument with each other for a guy who doesn't even exist in the real world.As for me shoving his character down throat,that was never my intention and i did that unknowingly,i apologize.

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  128. guest19 March 2015 at 17:16

    I have yet to find out why does humintyless Stefan care about anybody? Most of all Caroline! Is he or isn't he faking it!! Give us awnsers writers!!

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  129. Shannon19 March 2015 at 17:16

    I only read the first 7 Books. Which were great. If iI remember correctly the 7th book was by the ghostwriter, and I needed to read that book based off how the 6th book ended. After that iI didn't need to go on. But my friend continued to read all of them, and the series did get a proper ending. Idk where you heard it didn't. I'd say read the first book and if you like it keep goiking I had a lottt of fun reading the books. (I started reading when the first season was airing) I remember I couldn't put them down. And it is different from the show. As for Klaroliners, THAT WAS ALL IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE!!! Nothing more!!! They're lucky they got that, I mean wtf! The writers spoiled their asses with that shit, In more ways than one, and they're still not grateful for it. Their hookup was wrong in sSooo many way, even before they hooked up, I felt that relationship was just downright disgusting, and they completely ruined Klaus b/c of it. (Again that has to do with the book and how Klaus first came on). I would've LOVED that they never went there at all, and til this day it never should've happened. But it did, so i I came to terms with that. But for the love of god let it go!! It's not gonna happen again!! It's dead and buried. Ugh....As far as this show is concerned, relationship wise, that goes down as the most dumbest thing to ever happen. Let them kill themselves over that couple, idec. I ignore them anyway. And at this pojnt, whaddaYa gonna do? Shrugs. I completely rolled my eyes at the Bamon talk. Lol sorry, iI really can't. But good for you and your friend. Are you gonna date this guy or what? Or is he completely in the friend zone?

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  130. Shannon19 March 2015 at 17:28

    Well you obviously edited. So I'm not seeing this late. And you wanted me irritated, which I now am, thanks for that. As I was having a pretty good day, knowing the episode airs tonight. Now my mood is ruined. I hope you can fix that in the next hour?? I'd like to be cheerful again. The only reason iI brought him up was b/c I feel it makes more sense for him to go before Kai. That's all, Not to anger you, throw a jab at you, and not to start WW3. And I had put it in parentheses, so you shouldn't have given it THAT much attention. And that's a great idea. That's a pact iI could stick too. I do that often with the other one on Arrow. I try not to bring up her name at all. If I can help it. So agreed.

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  131. DianaPauline19 March 2015 at 17:31

    I know you're not calling me dumb, just the theory, right? But you don't say why you think it's dumb. Actually, this trigger business is a pain in the ass. I thought that your trigger has to be someone you care for or love so I picked mom.

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  132. Shannon19 March 2015 at 17:35

    I just meant that in general, not literally episode 20. And you're forgiven, you know I can't stay mad at you for too long, as you're one of my favs. This little scrap is juat a way to kill time. I won't take it seriously. So with that said.I'd...t's change the subject to a BTS video i actually did see. It was a post by Nina, did u see it? The video?

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  133. Shannon19 March 2015 at 17:50

    Of course not!! I'm not calling you dumb at all. I would never. I'm talking about the theory. This specific theory has been circling around, i'm surprised more than 20 people have agreed on it. The trigger has to do with who one cares about the most. Lily has been dead for centuries. Stefan is not close to this woman in any degree. Just b/c she's has the title "mom" doesn't mean squat. I would think his mom would be the last person to trigger his switch. (That's if his switch is actually off). Actually, if Damon were to get her out of that prison, iI wouldn't be surprised if her presence just egged Stefan on to do more damage.

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  134. Qwerty1212 no.219 March 2015 at 18:18

    Well, regardless of whether Stefan is or is not faking it, being without one's humanity doesn't mean that you don't care about anything, it's imho just that you are acting on a mixture of logic and instincts without any regular emotions. Think about how Caroline acted like in the last episode. So if Stefan's humanity was off, it would be logical for him to want to get back at the person that pushed him to do something he didn't want to do and almost killed a member of his family, his own blood...

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  135. Qwerty1212 no.219 March 2015 at 18:21

    "A woman in the mid-1800s wouldn't have a chance in the world on her own, but as a vampire she could take care of herself very well. "


    I consider especially this part as very probable. Like you said, becoming a vampire might have been her only real chance to get away from Giuseppe...

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  136. Qwerty1212 no.219 March 2015 at 18:49

    Ok, thanks :) Well, I always tend to read reviews on Amazon and elsewhere before I choose to read a book and when I have seen that backslash about firing L.J.Smith and the whole story of it, it felt like a lot of people were disappointed (I’ve read an article about how they fired Smith because of disagreements on how the story should continue ships-wise etc.), so that certainly made me confused...

    Well, I’ve noticed a lot of klaroline fans especially on youtube being very angry about how the whole thing went down, how cheap it was in their eyes etc... And that is one of my biggest problems with that moment, how cheap it felt, just a lame fan service without anybody giving much thought about it. And for what? Who benefited from that? The story didn’t (only good part was that it put definitive stop to Car’s relationship with Tyler), non-klaroline fans mostly hated that and what is more, even a lot of klaroline fans did too, LOL... To be honest I rather enjoyed those subtle romantic undertones between Klaus and Caroline back in season 3 (that drawing of her he made) but it imho should have ended at that. And agreed on Klaus character assassination, not every character needs to be fully redeemed, Julie!

    Hahaha, ok, then :) Well, probably not any time soon, although it’s me being in the friendzone :( Well, for years I have been dating a different guy and having this Damon-like friend just as a best friend, even if we kept hanging on the very edge between a friendship and a relationship. He didn’t date anyone and kept saying things like I’m pretty much the only girl he actually likes being around... So fast forward to almost a year ago, my boyfriend and I broke up and I’ve confessed to my best friend about being in love with him, just to be told that he actually can’t see himself being in a relationship with anyone because he’s too emotionally damaged for that... Which first broke my heart and slowly even our friendship, so... that story didn’t have a happy ending... Sorry, I'm getting too pessimistic, so... New episode today, yay!

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  137. guest19 March 2015 at 19:24

    I see what you mean...I love how stefans Revenge plan includes making out with Caroline!! Gosh he must really really hate her;)

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  138. Joy Haldar19 March 2015 at 19:34

    I didn't.Did she post it on twitter?What was it about?

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  139. Shannon19 March 2015 at 19:51

    There's actually an irony to that whole book story, but I won't tell you what it is. Lol...But again I say, give the book a go. And I WISH, I could find a Klaroline shipper who was mad about that whole ordeal, but I have not!!! Everyone I come across is still happy go lucky, cheering this crap on. And I Sooo agree about Tyler. I was waiting for that to end for Sooo long. Officially! The only thing I liked about Klaroline is when she rejected him over and over and over again. Klaus was never supposed to be head over heels for some girl. He was supposed to be this ruthless killing machine, and they turned this badass hybrid into a freaking puppy! I couldn't stand it like no other. It's always nice to see a character have layers, and not be one sided, but I definitely wasn't asking for that. The only part I ever liked between them, (that was incredibly short but memorable and had no romance in it whatsoever) was when Klaus came at the last minute, and cut off that person's head with a graduation cap. That was badass. I'm GLAD he's on The Originals. I never want to see him on TVD ever again. But yesssss, not every character needs to be redeemed, JULIE! EXACTLY!! Lol omg where have you been all my life? Lol Why couldn't I meet you in 2009? Hahaha

    DuI'm all about pessimism it's ok. LOL And that blows, but you know what? At the end of the day, it's better to have a friendship with that guy and be wicked close to him, and have him put you at the top of the list. Rather then him dating you, breaking up with you, or being some one night stand he met at the bar and never called back. Ya know? I mean you're the exception. And sometimes that can be the ultimate win. You hit the Jackpot hun, even if you don't know it. So smile b/c.....

    There's 4 more hours left!!! LOL. I'd kill for another webclip right now.

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  140. Shannon19 March 2015 at 19:54

    Umm,,I think it was on Twitter. Hold on let me see if I can find the link. It's better if you view it then we speculate. Lol

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  141. Shannon19 March 2015 at 20:19

    Ok I seriously can't find it. So I'll tell you. It was a very romantic setting, but you couldn't tell where the place was. It was surrounded by candles and rose petals. Way too fancy for a wedding or even a date. I mean it was to the point where there were roses EVERYWHERE! And the only light that was shown was the candle lights. Idk if Nina was shooting the scene or just playing around to be in the camera. So iI can't say it was a delena scene. Or anything involving Elena really.

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  142. Qwerty1212 no.219 March 2015 at 20:41

    Well, he's obviously attracted to her in more than just purely romantic way, LOL.. Anyway, any details really depend on whether he is faking it or nor, which we simply don't know yet...

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  143. Joy Haldar19 March 2015 at 20:41

    Joshua butler did say one of the best delena moments is coming up soon and we all know he's a pretty hardcore delena fanboy,so maybe this scene is part of that.With all these crazy things going on,i don't know how will damon find time to romance his girl TBH!Poor guy,so much pressure!

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  144. Qwerty1212 no.219 March 2015 at 21:12

    Oh, that’s just mean, LOL... Ok, I’m putting it on my reading list, right when I finally finish reading ASOIAF :) Well, I usually make a point of not badmouthing any group of shippers but if this thing is all that it takes to make most of them happy and satisfied, then... it certainly explains a lot. Anyway, I would love to give you a link for some of the discussions of them I’ve seen but I watch so many things on youtube I honestly don’t know where I’ve read it, I just found it interesting that even they feel cheated :) Well, I’m not opposed to Klaus having some layers (even that obsession with Caroline – to some point – was fine by me, after all nobody’s saying that it was some healthy, pure, romantic obsession), but there is a difference between giving some layers to a character and straight up white-washing (I’m looking at you again, Julie!). And yes, that certainly WAS badass. But at this point, I feel like a lot of crossovering with The Originals is just not a good idea, one way or another...

    That was actually really nice of you to say, thank you, sweetie :) I don’t know, I frankly keep thinking about the whole thing every damn day, even almost a year later, totally unable to move on, but... You’re right, it certainly could be worse :)

    I was just thinking how much I wish we could meet IRL and grab a coffee or something; finally I would have somebody to obsess over TVD and all together, LOL

    Good thing we’ve finally gotten a second sneak peek, they really release them too late lately...

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  145. Shannon19 March 2015 at 21:34

    Hmm. Well I honestly wasn't expecting it to be a Delena moment. But if it is then....if it's in the present. (I definitely agree with you there's no time) then I hope it's a moment where she gets her memories back. If it's a flashback, then I hope it's a flashback of one of their symmer events we have yet to see. Maybe they're celebrating their anniversary or something? Who knows.

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  146. Shannon19 March 2015 at 22:30

    What book are you reading? Lol sorry, I'd probably get the acronym if I read more. Lol I'm currently reading Fifty Shades Darker. (Yeah that's right, no shame!) Lol...Please I beg you don't. I'm good on the links. I swear. And you're welcome. I can tell you that I've been in his same exact shoes, so I know what I'm talking about. My guys friends always have crushes on me, and even my closest friends, I mean my BEST friends, they still want to be with me. I don't see it (Cuz like your friend I'm emotionally damaged and don't open up when it comes to "love") but I tell them all the time, or I used to tell them when the topic of "us" came up, "that all I have to give is friendship. You can be my friend or nothing." and til this day, they're my best friends in the world. Now if i actually dated one of them, i would've found some way to sabotage it and push them away, only leaving them a memory in my life. But now, i can't picture my life w/o them. And it's been 13 years and i I trust them more than anyone else. So yeah even though it sucks right now, even if it's a year later, just know, you got the better deal. = )

    I think if we met it'd be really fun. There's a lot of people on here I'd like to meet. You guys are the only ones that understand me. LOL I mean geez iI may have close friends, but when I "lose it" over my shows, that's something they can't understand. Lol They look at me and laugh or shake their heads, and i'm all, "don't judge Me." Lmao. Actually they stay quiet and let me have my moments. They dare not cross me. And sometimes when we're out, THEY remind me that iI have to go home in order to watch my shows on time. Lol That's love. Lol


    An hour and thirty minutes left to go. The webclip was actually enjoyable b/c it was so unexpected. I mean Enzo and Alaric talking to each other, who knew?? Another thing that bothered me about Alaric turning human, iI sooooo wanted Alaric to kick Enzo's ass!! And how dare Enzo try to come between Dalaric. FOH! But seriously iI was expecting a fight over Damon, not this, where's your weapons? It's over there. Crap. Lol But still it was a nice change up, so yeah. Omg..iI think i'm going to go watch one of the previous episodes on my DVR until it comes on. Ttyl. = )

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  147. Qwerty1212 no.219 March 2015 at 23:39

    Third book of A Song of Ice and Fire, aka the book series that Game of Thrones is built upon :) It’s some heavy stuff sometimes but ultimately I LOVE George R. R. Martin’s style... That’s great, and you’ve just reminded me that I promised my friend that I’m going to read that soon – so I guess I know what I’m gonna do over the hiatus, LOL. And that’s amazing, I’m glad it has worked like that for you :) Frankly, I almost always end up drawing the short end of the stick, always being the one who’s in it too deep while the guys are not that into me... So lately I’m trying to learn how to be more happy with being just alone, less desperate so to speak, but it’s hard :( :) But you have kind of given me hope, hopefully one day I will be able to repair my friendship with him and make it as awesome as before... :)

    Oh yes! I wish we could make some sort of a party for all of us here, LOL. Well, do your friends watch the shows as well? Because none of my friends watch my favorite shows, heck I don’t even have a Game of Thrones friend :( :D I love them but they can be really weird in this... And then they see me as weird for loving my shows, haha. Like my best friend, once I asked her if she doesn’t want me to lend her few seasons of TVD and she was like „no way, at my work all the girls keep fighting about whether they love Damon or Stefan... and they can never shut up about it!“, LOL

    Yes, who knew, right? It makes sense that they eventually end up talking with each other and that they rather hate each other (jelly much, Enzo?), yet it was somehow unexpected... And a rather nice scene, I just expected/wanted Alaric to DO something, idk, actually defend himself, not be like „ok, take my weapons...“ :D Damon should have some talk with him soon, tell him to man up and be that badass and lovable Alaric from before... :)

    Happy watching then :) Btw that reminds me that I’ve already seen Ian’s gem of an episode 4 times, in a week... I love TVD, but I don’t remember doing something like that before...

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  148. Gwen26 March 2015 at 02:14

    Sorry - took so long to respond - not sure if you found it but I believe it was on EW over a week ago.

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  149. Gwen26 March 2015 at 02:16

    I know I can't wait for the flashbacks and connection hopefully to present day. The 100 dead witches was that before Lily's time?

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  150. Sol26 March 2015 at 03:37

    according to Elijah the witches came to MF after Salem (1690's) and had a settlement for over a hundred years until they were burned. Bonnie's grandmother also said their family was from there. so that puts the burning at early 1800's I guess just a little bit before Lily's time. it'd be very cool if the Bennets weren't the only survivors from that coven.

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  151. Gwen26 March 2015 at 11:14

    Their is definitely some tie between these 2 witch covens. Also, could it be possible that one or more of the desiccating vampires could have been a witch turned vamp. from the Gemini Coven? I think there has to be a reason why all these vamps. were imprisoned with Lily other than they were her ripper buddies.

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  152. Sol26 March 2015 at 15:20

    I really hope you're right, otherwise they won't be much different than the tomb vampires in S1-not that interesting.
    what's more I really hope there's a supernatural reason why Lily and Stefan are rippers and maybe those other guys too.

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  153. Qwerty1212 no.226 March 2015 at 23:11

    Yes, thank you, it was later posted here at SpoilerTV.

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  154. Gwen31 March 2015 at 00:59

    Very interesting theory regarding Stefan and Lily both being rippers...Damon just blew this off as a coincidence but it would very interesting if there was more to it.

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