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The Walking Dead - Them - Review and Discussion

16 Feb 2015

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The Walking Dead’s second episode back after the break was a slower-paced session that focused on the characters and where they stood on life, the group, and the future. This was a week to slow down and feel the grief after the recent deaths of Bob, Beth, and Tyreese – for both the characters and for us, the viewers. Through the dialogue and the visuals, it addressed the question at the heart of the show - what does living mean? And then things got weird.

I had mixed reactions – and a lot of them – about this episode.  They were more positive than negative, and this may be one of those episodes that later becomes a favorite (because the good was really good), but there were a few points that didn't feel natural to me. On the one hand, it delivered what are sure to be a keystone speech and unforgettable visuals that will define the series. It also seemed to mark a turning point, as the characters picked sides on where they stand on the world and their future, and we were introduced to a mysterious character who looks likely to usher in the next arc. On the other hand, this episode was representative of a pattern that’s been bothering me more and more as the series progresses, and that is a shift away from the more realistic character-writing of the earlier seasons, toward too on-the-nose dialogue and storytelling.

And then there was an apparent Act of God followed by the arrival of what looked liked like a tourist who had slipped past security and wandered into the area where they were shooting.  That just seemed such a departure from the tone of the earlier part of the episode that it left me wondering what I was watching.  As I said, many reactions.

First, the positive.

The barn scene was amazing. The visual imagery of the storm and walkers, seen through the barn doors, followed by the sun slipping in through the cracks the next morning, created a sense of the terrors of the night being washed away by the new day. The scene of Maggie and Sasha watching the sun rise while they talked about why they were alive was beautiful and poignant.

The group’s discussion on what survival means, held huddled in the safety of a barn on a stormy night, not only made created a haunting scene, but set up the opportunity for Rick to say the line that defines how his character has evolved and how he views living: “This is how we survive. We tell ourselves that we are the walking dead.” It also enabled us to hear from the other primary characters on this topic, and set up the different camps of points of view. On the one side are those like Rick and Glenn, who are focused now on surviving the moment and have resigned themselves to their reality. And on the other are those like Michonne and Daryl, who still hope for more and aren’t ready to define themselves as being like the dead.

Another line that struck me as prophetic was Rick's comment that the young do better with this world than the adults.  With Carl being such the focus, and a baby seeming to represent the future, this was another theme that I'm betting will become central in seasons to come.

There was a return from the previous episode of the theme of spirituality, as the storm which brought much-needed water and immobilized the walkers during the night, appeared to be miracle from God.

I also appreciated that the show took the time to allow for grieving. We needed to see Maggie, Sasha, and Daryl grieve the deaths of Beth and Tyreese. And the show needed to establish where their characters are, following their losses. The scenes of those three bonding, as well as the earlier scene between Carol and Daryl, were nice character development moments.

Finally, there were many small details that were the perfect choice to illustrate the point.  The dogs showed how ugly the world has become.  The dogs, once pets, were now like the survivors and attacking people to survive.  The people, on other hand, shot and ate the dogs. Daryl eating a worm, while a little gross, showed their hunger. And the lethargy of the walkers mirrored the lethargy of the group.

Now, the negative.

There were moments that seemed a little too convenient. Maggie finding a woman in the trunk, who like Beth had been kidnapped, struck me as one.  A much better scene was Maggie crying by the tree, being interrupted to kill a walker, and then collapsing back down in tears as the walker's arm dangled nearby.  That scene did more to speak to the depths of Maggie's sadness and depression, as well as how common the walking dead have become. And the events seemed more natural.

Another part that pulled me out of moment was Daryl attempting to hold out the walkers on his own without yelling out. Instead of waking up the others to help, he said nothing and let them wake up on their own. As others joined him, they also didn't wake up those still sleeping.  This decision helped set up a scene that illustrated each of the characters – despite their divisions in opinion – making the decision to come together as a unit to fight the danger and survive, but the way it played out lacked believability.

Also, the time gap from between the scene of the group holding back the doors, to the scene of the morning after when they were waking up, left me with questions. Maggie and Sasha didn’t know during the night what had happened to the walkers. So why did they stop guarding the door if they didn't know the walkers were no longer a threat? The transition from one scene (the night) to the other (the morning) was artistic, but it left plot holes.

I also sometimes miss the more natural style of dialogue of the earlier seasons, which was more about the characters and less about delivering the show’s message. Glenn's line to Daryl that they make it together was an example of a statement that's too profound to sound natural if used too often.

And finally, the bizarre.

What did you think about the twists at the end? First, there was the walkers being pinned down by storm that spared the group in the barn in what seemed to be a visit from God, and then the arrival of a too well-groomed Aaron, which coincided with the music box suddenly starting to play? I haven’t decided whether I think the approach was hokey or genius, but would love to hear your thoughts.

About the Author - Chris684
Chris684
Chris is a New Englander with a background in print and digital media, who currently earns a living by making web and technology products easier to use. She has a weakness for TV characters who are 'dark and twisty' (to quote Meredith Grey) and reviews The Walking Dead, Legends, Halt and Catch Fire, and Dig for SpoilerTV.
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47 comments:

  1. I came away from the ep feeling very mixed, too. Some of it was good, but I had real problems with the convenience. It was to the point where it was so obvious we were all being played. The zombies just happen to all get speared by the storm. And I was like, really? No one got hurt or bit during all that. Even on the bridge where Sasha cut Abraham's arm, his arm doesn't get infected, and he's just fine. Really? There were just one too many moments like that where it was not believable. Just like the music box playing right when our new clean cut guy shows up.

    We did need some moments of the characters being at their low points. And Daryl did need to deal with his grief and so did Maggie and Sasha.

    One thing I was interested in was the barn walker. I was hoping they would do a webisode on what happened to her and maybe even the one that was found in the trunk.

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  2. I really liked many aspects of this episode, the character driven moments with Maggie Daryl and Sasha were a highlight for me. I think I will have to rewatch this episode to form some sort of overall opinion, but though it was slow I always like the eps with a lot of character development

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  3. The episode was kind of slow. I would've naemd this episode grief. At one point I thought Sasha was gonna separate from the group because she was going on a dark path but that was just the way she grieved. I also loved the barn scene and how they continued to fight on at their weaker point. But that time jump from night to morning was confusing. Also as rick said, I think it will be easier for Judith because she'll be use to the world she now lives in. I liked the ending where Sasha and Maggie got up at the same time and aimed their guns at Aaron. Sadly people have already spoiled me by telling me who Aaron is in the comics. Let me just say the people that seem bad are good and vise versa

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  4. Yeah I agree. I know some of the trees would get SOME of the walkers but there would still be some walkers that were alive (or should say dead?). I also liked how Daryl took Carols advice and let himself feel the grief.

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  5. Thanks for commenting. I thought the walkers getting speared, while the others weren't touched, and the music box suddenly starting seemed to belong on a show where miracles sometimes happen, but it felt odd on this show. It wasn't a big deal, but it took me by surprise.

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  6. I also really appreciated that those three, who were grieving the most, were able to come together and be there for each other. That was one of the better parts of the episode. It's bothered me in the recent past that Maggie hasn't seemed closer to Sasha and Bob since the group all reunited, considering what those three went through together. I'd love to see a stronger friendship develop between those two.

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  7. This was a very character driven episode and the actors and actresses were so good.


    I said it in the previous post, but this season really needs some Emmy recognition.

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  8. Thanks for commenting. During my first watch, the pace of the first half hour was really getting to me. I was really starting to wonder if anything would happen during the episode. These slower shows always seem to play back better in a second watch though. It's one of those things, that if they had skipped the mourning, slower scenes, the story would have felt less complete later. Not sure if that makes sense.

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  9. Thanks for commenting. Character development is always a plus.

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  10. Nice recap, Chris! I agree that five seasons in, TWD is beginning to show the limitations of its formula -- a never-ending battle to survive with characters growing grim, then rallying, then sinking into even deeper despair, etc. I keep sticking around for that thoughtful writing you mention (love Gimple's storytelling skills), combined with those amazing visuals. This episode was full of both ... though yeah, a few key metaphors were a little too on-the-nose. Going forward, there are only so many ways that main "walking dead" point can (or needs to) be hammered home. Like you, I picked up on an almost reverent/religious feel to this episode -- the idea that no matter how horrible the situation, there are rare little gifts combined with quiet moments of peace and beauty. Some of those scenes were just gorgeously shot! Even that kinda-obvious "us vs. them" barn door scene was pretty powerful in the way it was lit, framed, etc. Though I'm definitely confused as well -- was it really just a nightmare? That was my take, based on that quick cut to the following morning. Maybe we're supposed to be unsure?? And absolutely, Aaron was so neat and clean that I almost laughed. I mean, rumple the guy's hair or something, this is an apocalypse. His entrance came across like one of those SNL parodies. I will say that the "quality assurance" water moment between Eugene and Abraham actually did make me laugh out loud. WOW is it nice to get those small moments of (intentional) comic relief ... things are feeling so, so grim. But overall, I thought this episode was quietly moving and very good.

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  11. It does make sense

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  12. I seemed to notice a strange mysticism in this episode that I haven't seen in others. The rain showing up when it did, the peaceful barn scene when Daryl lets himself grieve, that gorgeous sunrise that helps Maggie and Sasha bond, and especially those walkers getting skewered by the trees. I felt like (maybe for the first time) the show was trying to convey the physical presence of some sort of, I don't know, larger force in the middle of all this grim defeat...?

    Even that very last scene with the music box. It seemed really weird to have it start up suddenly like that -- but based on how the rest of the episode played out, and the way the dancer represented hope (Beth) for Maggie, maybe that's a clue about something hopeful to come, or even Aaron himself? Just a guess ...

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  13. Hi Mary, that's a really interesting theory that it was a nightmare. Daryl's dream I assume? That had never occurred to me. I think the skewed walkers the next morning would point toward it being real though.

    To me the last section of the episode felt a little "The Walking Dead" meets "Touched by an Angel." A little unsettling but not completely unprecedented as there seemed to be a spiritual element to Rick's visions of Lori in season 3. It may sound like I'm mocking this - and truth is I'm not quite sure what I think yet- but part of me would welcome it because the alternative is just so bleak.

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  14. People complain about not getting a premiere episode about them being on the road. We get an episode with "them" on the road. People complain about it. The director who did this episode also did "Still" back in season four. So, I'm gonna guess and say that they like the way he works and bring him in for these kinds of episodes. It's good to have a "slow" episode. They have been walking for about 40 miles or so. Even if you set out for miles in a normal world you wouldn't be okay just to go out the door without talking water, etc. So, good to see them "almost" broken. They are holding on to a bit of hope that when they get where they are going it will be a safe place and if not they know they have each other to keep on going. I got that from the episode. With Abe saying to Sasha about being family. And also Sasha talking to Noah. Even if I think she was really just saying that more for her sake then his. I loved Maggie being real with Father Gabriel. And I think the barn/strom could have last much longer. I have to re-watch the episode again for some more points but you get me, right? lol Anyway, nice review.


    Also, I think the barn had plot protection.

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  15. Bashir Retro Bazemore17 February 2015 at 07:55

    I actually liked every bit of it except for the Maggie moments you mentioned. I too believe that at the beginning showed more of Maggie's depth and feelings especially when she mentioned that she thought she was dead at first that's why she didn't ask about her til Daryl showed up. The "acts of god" to me was done very well. It showed another obstacles for the survivors in nature. Also the supposed "help by god" given to our survivors and the appropriate times where cool. Not to cheesy but blended and mirrored very well. However I do agree with the new guy being thrown in like that. Unless there's clues about him following them from past episodes I missed then ok but in that episode at that time just felt rushed. The dead frogs was cool. Wonder if that was nature or the virus.

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  16. I had mixed feelings about the pace. On the one hand, the beginning did drag. On the other, I think it's necessary at times to really slow the story to make more of a lasting impact. I loved last week's episode. No complaining there. Thanks for the comments.

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  17. Glad you loved the episode. I think Aaron's appearance was supposed to be surprising and unexpected, but combined with the miracles happening around them that could not have been man-made, I wasn't sure what to make of it all. I guess I'm finding it more funny than anything else at this point. I loved Aaron's line about "stranger danger." I'm looking forward to seeing more of him next week.

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  18. I don't know if you know this... but the barn scene with the walkers almost coming in was some sort of dream, or a vision... it didn't really happened. They went to sleep and then woke up the day after, the scene with the walkers did not happen.

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  19. That's what Mary (comment below) was suggesting too. Was that confirmed somewhere? I didn't get that from watching the episode. That leaves me then with the questions - who's dream was that, and what was its meaning, and why were the grounds strewn with skewered walkers in the morning if they didn't really swarm the barn?

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  20. Yeah, but that was what I got from the scene ahah
    I should go ask AMC...
    I don't really know whose dream it was, maybe Maggie, 'cause she was the one to wake up in the next scene... or maybe it wasn't a dream, but really just a filler and it isn't supposed to be nobody's dream... it's weird but I have seen this happen in other tv series.
    In my opinion it was just a filler, not intended to have a real meaning other than telling us that the group is united in whatever happens, whenever it happens.
    It was a very strange scene... nobody talked, nobody... even Carl left Judith to help.
    I though it was real until I saw that the scene had to real continuation, just Maggie waking up in the next day.
    About the walkers in the morning... it's a storm, there are walkers everywhere, it's natural that they are there in the ground.
    When we first see the walkers in front of the barn they are in a formation, and the next second they are knocking on the doors... that makes no sense, nobody inside the barn made any noise louder than the storm's... it would make no sense to be real

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  21. According to TTD, that scene was real. It happened.

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  22. Thanks for the info. I watched TTD this week, but didn't remember that part.

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  23. Yeah, Chris asked the guy who plays Gabriel about him being one of the last people to go and help w/the barn door, and they talked about how him joining shows him being one of the group.

    I thought it was real and then thought it was a dream when they showed Maggie waking up, but went back to thinking it happened when she left the barn and all the zombies and trees were strewn about.

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  24. I loved the episode. It had lots of character development, and I always enjoy that. To me, the characters are the most interesting aspects of zombie movies/shows.

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  25. I agree Chris -- the whole way that character was presented made him look almost angelic or at least otherworldly. The music box starting to play in his presence only underscored this for me. So it could be a case of misdirection, but I like your interpretation much better. It's like the writers dropped in all these mystical elements during an incredibly bleak time, capped off by Aaron's arrival. Hoping it's a nod toward some better things to come.

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  26. Bashir Retro Bazemore17 February 2015 at 23:42

    Awesome review. . If the show follow the comics he's a good guy

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  27. We desperately need a good guy. :)

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  28. yeah, I thought exactly the same with the time jump, nightmare??? I guess it didn't leave space to doubt though because of the trees and everything outside.
    Aaaron is the strangest entry I've seen in TV series, and remember that Lost Season Three had some very odd ones.

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  29. Yes, what happened to all those walkers? It looked like the doors were going to give in. When the scene blacked out I thought it was a just a dream but clearly it wasn't. Maybe the writers have some explanation for this

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  30. I think the storm took them out. A giant tree fell on them and narrowly missed the barn. The part I don't get is why everyone but Daryl went back to sleep after such a close call without knowing that the danger had passed.

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  31. Emmy? No. Maybe in the first two season, but not recently. The show has long dropped into a predictable and tired "arc-reveal" formula of soap operas. And the acting is low mediocre TV at best.
    The show is fun due to broad swaths of the population being attracted to, as they always have been, apocalyptic and post apocalyptic stories.

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  32. Maybe they didn't want to open the door since the storm was still there. So they must have slept once the walkers stopped pushing the door and Daryl was awake whole night so he might have told others to go to sleep.

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  33. Bashir Retro Bazemore18 February 2015 at 16:36

    Hey chris684 did you notice the mirroring of this episode to the episode where the walking dead was breaking out the barn ? The episode when we find Carrol daughter in there? In "them" rick says "we are the walking dead" . Then the walkers try to get in the barn. Like in season 2 the walkers breaking out. Back when hershel was still thinking that the dead were still people. I thought that was awesome story telling

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  34. Otherworldly, nice! There was Def a Higher Power at work.......

    Sasha NOT dying during the bridge scene (was just Reckless)
    Food (aka doggie bites)
    Rainwater instead of possible trapped water
    Daryl knowing where to find shelter
    A Bible in SAID shelter
    The walkers Not making it thru the door while they one by one hold it shut ....
    A tornado not only stopping SAID walkers, but not even Touching the barn
    The music box stasting just after a Pristine man shows up

    The Grimes Family has had more than their share of bad luck and death, it's time for a few moments of Hope.


    side note: they truely were the Walking Dead, the similarities were unmistakable

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  35. Yes, I think that makes the most sense.

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  36. That's an interesting thought. The barn brought up memories of Hershel's barn, but I didn't see a parallel between those two scenes. But you bring up an interesting point. They're the dead in the barn now.

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  37. It looked kind of like the aftermath of a tornado, so the other walkers probably got picked up by it.

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  38. I don't get how skipping the rest of the night is confusing.

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  39. It wasn't confusing. The group just decided to stop holding off the walkers even though they didn't know what happened to walkers meaning the walkers could've still gotten into the barn

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  40. Ohhhh. That would make more sense

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  41. I totally agree -- it seems like maybe this episode, just by its tone, marked kind of a series turning point. Not to say that we're not gonna see horrible stuff going forward (I mean, this is TWD) ... but I can't ever recall the writers being so on-the-nose with signs that some kind of counterforce or higher power is still at work. All those elements you mention, one after another, packed into one episode -- like a big signpost that says "keep hoping," nothing subtle about it. And I'm kinda glad in a way, because things have gotten SO grim!

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  42. haha, that's true -- you know things are getting surreal when "Lost" is a point of comparison! :)

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  43. Well, we didn't see when they stopped holding the door, I think it's a safe bet that they would have checked.

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  44. What's not to get? They held the doors closed until the tornado took out the walkers, then they probably checked to make sure they were gone, then they had someone keep watch during the night; Daryl was either the last one on watch by morning, or he kept watch all night.

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  45. This is probably for the most part what happened, but the fact that Maggie and Sasha seemed surprised to see that all of the walkers had been killed the next morning implies that they didn't check to make sure they were gone (the dead walkers were right outside the door).


    Also, a couple of people here thought the walker attack on the barn was just a dream, so what happened was obviously at least a little unclear. It's a small point that's probably getting more discussion than it deserves.

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  46. It wouldn't make sense for them to stop holding the door unless they thought the walkers were gone, that's why I'm assuming they checked, and it was dark, so maybe the reason they looked surprised was because of the way they were impaled on the tree, not the fact that they'd been taken out. I agree about it getting more discussion than it deserves.

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