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The Originals - Episode 2.02 - Alive & Kicking - Sneak Peek 2

9 Oct 2014

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53 comments:

  1. mac9 October 2014 at 19:15

    lol, not sure Klaus gets that the definition of "just fine" is fullfilled by a bunch of dead witches.

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  2. Sara9 October 2014 at 19:19

    I really need Elijah to leave Hayley alone and get a life of his own. His obsession with Hayley is ruining my enjoyment of the show.

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  3. James9 October 2014 at 19:19

    I agree with both cuz Hayley is a killer now its in her nature and she's feeling the lost of her daughter in full circle now since shes a vampire now

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  4. mac9 October 2014 at 19:25

    unfortunatley Hayley will stick around

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  5. mac9 October 2014 at 19:26

    not really, Klaus is forging her into a second version of himself by making her embrace HIS kind of vampirism. Elijah considers vampires neutral, it's their decision what they become


    "Mother made us vampires, she didn't make us monsters. We did that to ourselves" currently Klaus is making the decision FOR Hayley

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  6. Sara9 October 2014 at 19:27

    Elijah is just as monstrous though. He's gone around killing vampires, witches and werewolves too but it's okay for him an not Hayley? Seems like a double-standard.

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  7. mac9 October 2014 at 19:30

    no, it's okay for her to make her own decision to be a monster. Atm Klaus is making her decisions. That's my point

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  8. Sara9 October 2014 at 19:33

    We don't actually know yet why Hayley chose to kill the witches so I don't know how you'd know that it wasn't her decision.

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  9. mac9 October 2014 at 19:34

    Yeah, so why do you bash before knowing as well? Wait and see, don't just b*tch about something because it's in the way of your ship

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  10. Sara9 October 2014 at 19:36

    Considering my main ship is Klaus with Caroline eventually, I don't really see how any of this is in the way of my ship.

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  11. mac9 October 2014 at 19:37

    Klaroline is still a thing?

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  12. Sara9 October 2014 at 19:42

    They're vampires - so unless they kill off Caroline or something they could get together in 100 years.

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  13. James9 October 2014 at 19:48

    Face facts Klaroline is never gonna happen. There's a reason why they make excuses out the butt just so she can't crossover. I mean NINA who is a lead crossed over before Caroline who gets about 5-10 mins screentime sometimes

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  14. Sara9 October 2014 at 20:01

    I'm fine with them being split up because I think Caroline needs to grow a lot more first and so forth. We're not going to see what happens in 100 years anyway - so I can have my headcannons about it.

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  15. Susan9 October 2014 at 20:30

    "The show continues to deify and simultaneously marginalize Hayley because she reproduced. The fact that Elijah had to tie the fact that Hayley gave birth to Klaus’ kid as a reason that she “deserves better than fine?” Okay, then. I guess the other female characters who haven’t bred deserve “just fine”, but Hayley deserves “better than just fine” because she pushed a kid out of her vagina. That is the only reason that the narrative ever gives as a reason that Klaus should treat her better and not be a misogynistic ass hat to her all the time.

    Fuck. This. Internalized. Misogyny.

    Women are not defined or made better by their ability to heal white men through the power of their wombs. A woman’s worth should not be attached to the fact that she has given birth, regardless of the plot device’s status as some kind of redemptive savior. I mean…this kind of dumb-struck reverence isn’t paid to Marcel, and he is also Klaus’ child. But no, because Hayley gestated and birthed a “real” baby, that justifies the narrative beating me in the face with how special and queenly she is.

    That is disgusting and I’m legitimately grossed out by the entire TO writing team for being so oblivious about how their anvils come across." - xtherewillbelightx [Tumblr]

    ALL OF THIS!!!!!

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  16. Ruairidh9 October 2014 at 20:43

    I agree.

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  17. ann9 October 2014 at 20:52

    I second that. This obsession with Hayley the Holy Mother is disgusting. Does anyone remember she has killed a bunch of innocent people in Mystic Falls?

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  18. Ruairidh9 October 2014 at 21:00

    I don't remember that but thanks for seconding my view :)

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  19. ivan9 October 2014 at 21:03

    lol klaus reading the art of war

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  20. bobseh9 October 2014 at 21:06

    Thank God the show doesn't do flash forwards.

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  21. bobseh9 October 2014 at 21:10

    This was taken out of context. As much as I don't really give a damn about the dynamic between these three in general, Elijah's point was that Klaus should care more because they are eternally connected whether he likes it or not. It wasn't 'this woman's had a kid so she deserves more respect than anybody else'.


    Also, yes, Klaus is misogynistic. He is a horrible character. Unfortunately he's written to be a purposefully horrible character. But it was still taken out of context.

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  22. bobseh9 October 2014 at 21:11

    They completely rewrote her for TO. I preferred her way better in TVD.

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  23. ann9 October 2014 at 21:16

    Just to clarify, Klaus did the actual killing. What she did was set up twelve hybrids and then betray them to Klaus so he could kill them and complete a sacrifice. In return, she was promised info on her family. So, she basically sent 12 friends of hers to the slaughter for her own selfish purposes.

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  24. grsm9 October 2014 at 21:20

    Here we are again... talking about Hayley like she was a fragile human before and now she needs the help of 2 Mikaelsons.And who is the better brother to help her,ha?It reminds me of something.TVD Damon-Elena-Stefan season 4.
    I'm sorry but the similarity is almost annoying.Why the writers are doing this,i wonder.

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  25. Méli-Mélo9 October 2014 at 21:34

    Well, I didn't really enjoy this one cause it reminds me of TVD and I wasn't a fan of the "Vampy Elena vs Salvatore" dynamics at the time. Hopefully once we get to see this in context, it'll be actually different.

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  26. AG9 October 2014 at 21:34

    To be a little fair to Hayly Shane probably gave her his "they all will be back crap" that Pastor Young fell for, and even Bonnie who is a really trong and moral character fell for his brainwashing.

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  27. AG9 October 2014 at 21:35

    As long as its not the main storyline like TVD its somehow tolerable.

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  28. Méli-Mélo9 October 2014 at 21:39

    I guess you're right ;) ! It'd be good for it not to become the entire driving force of the show. But with Esther, Finn and Kol back I doubt it will be :D !

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  29. AG9 October 2014 at 21:43

    Definitly, i would like TO to remain ship free, the interaction between the characters should be either as allies or enemies, friendship, and most important the family bond and thats, some hookups here and there are fine but shouldn't be the main foccus.

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  30. mwar9 October 2014 at 21:48

    Well,writers run out of ideas and they decided to recycle the tvd storyline. I think they are focusing on Hayley too much. She's not a child and she doesn't need the Mikaelson brothers after her like dogs.

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  31. Méli-Mélo9 October 2014 at 21:53

    My thoughts exactly!
    Plus, I feel like it adds more complexity to all relationships in the show. Personally, I like Klaus and Hayley's relationship but I just don't see them getting romantic. Making them lovers at some point would be too simplistic, IMO. Same for Klaus and Cami by the way.
    Plus, I don't think JP and her team can really handle love stories anyways. I mean there's always kind of a good start but then it all goes downhill lol!

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  32. AG9 October 2014 at 22:05

    Big LOL at the JP part!!
    I too like Hayley as character though, i could relate to some parts of her life, but i don't want another Elena that was enough for me to stop watching TVD, and not every guy girl relation has to be romantic ffs.
    As for Klaus and Cami she could be the friend he never had (he had Stefan but he was as bad as him at the time) she is a good influence but i would like for her to get a storyline apart from her relation with Klaus or Marcel, although she is really strong and moral character she has to do more, maybe explore her family's legacy that they keep talking about, and Esther seemed to want something with her hopefully its an interesting arc, plus Leah is their best female actress.
    Ps i don't think Klaus and Hayley will be involved in a romantic way, Narducci was disgusted by the idea when it was brought up he is no Caroline Dries he can keep JP in check.

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  33. Méli-Mélo9 October 2014 at 22:14

    LOL, I definitely agree with you here on Hayley, Camille and Leah. Finger crossed,Esther and Finn will actually give her more to do but I think they will. Personally, I'm pretty sure it has something to do with some magical artefacts the newly found Chamber of Secrets Cami has. Just a theory ;) !
    P.S : I also very much agree with Narducci ;)!

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  34. Jenna Crothers9 October 2014 at 22:43

    They keep calling it a cross over but it's not, what Nina is doing is a flashback - ugh it's misleading

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  35. Susan9 October 2014 at 22:46

    and for an EMPTY flashdrive... unbelievable. Hayley isnt a messiah princess mother of jesus and she's not a queen of anything, in reality she is just a MORON. and the fact that the writers don't acknowledge the flaws of her character instead they're constantly throwing tropes on her is just pissing me off. i'm so done with this nonsense

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  36. Ruairidh9 October 2014 at 22:56

    The trouble with commenting on storylines as they unfold is that stories are created within the comments themselves, I think. It's interesting to observe.

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  37. AG9 October 2014 at 23:00

    Great post, but i will give Elijah a break for what he said, because he is dealing with KLAUS, Klaus isn't gonna care for someone for just who he is, and Elijah knows that he had to bring the baby into it, because so far thats what Klaus cares about at the moment, i would like for that to change and see him respect her for the person that she is, but it is gonna take time.

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  38. Susan9 October 2014 at 23:01

    yes, but bonnie was completely heartbroken because of Jeremy's death. she wasn't in her right mind. what's Hayley's excuse? as for Caroline, she did kill 12 witches but at least she had a complete breakdown right after that. she acknowledged that she is a terrible person for killing those witches only to save one of her friend.
    and Hayley had a moment too when she could have redeem herself a bit but of course JP & co completely wasted the opportunity to develope Hayley's characteristic instead they proceeded to act like she [Hayley ] was the wronged party, when really she is a lying, backstabbing, piece of shit hypocrite.

    http://33.media.tumblr.com/ecf0e5cbe4e275ae8357295f11400cff/tumblr_mwa0x781SF1qeglafo1_250.gif

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  39. AG9 October 2014 at 23:06

    Haylel was desperat to get information about her family, and Bonnie being heartbrokedn doesn't gve her the right to get 12 of her own pople killed, what she did is wrong but she is not the only hypocrite piece of shit, most characters are, even Caroline killled Luke with a cold blood to get Stefan back, they are all horrible people, some of them knows what they are (Klaus and Katherine) all the others comes accross as hypocrites.

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  40. Ruairidh9 October 2014 at 23:17

    Thanks for explaining that :)

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  41. Bertha Strongham9 October 2014 at 23:18

    To be fair many people bash before seeing.....no shipping and some folks still bash.....turnabout is fair play!

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  42. Bertha Strongham9 October 2014 at 23:21

    Much appreciation for your words! Women are trivialized for sure in this show. Hence the reason why I try to celebrate them when possible. Call out to Julie ---- bring on strong females!

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  43. AG9 October 2014 at 23:22

    I agree with your theory, curious to see if they can get Cami to spy on KLaus (Klaus in Alaric's body still had his compulsion power) if they can get her off vervine, either way they go it seems promising arc for Cami.
    BTW i gived TVD premier a shot and i have never been iritated by a character like Elene irritates me, so not giving it another try, they are rehashing storylines and characters are back to their S1 annoying selves.
    Eager to see Mikael and Esthr interact, also Mikael with his other kids, he seemed willing to try to reach to Rebekah in TVD.

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  44. Bertha Strongham9 October 2014 at 23:24

    Much appreciation bobseh, however the point above is well taken....there is a certain amount of misogyny latent in the character's, where women are seemingly always needing to be saved and the men their saviors. Not to mention, the fan adulation of the men doing the saving. Some fans even denounce Hayley because she chooses to survive in a truly f'ed up realm. Something needs to be acknowledged about this, despite the out of contextualization.

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  45. Bertha Strongham9 October 2014 at 23:31

    In order to trigger the wolf "curse" one has to kill. Arguably she has always been a killer.

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  46. AG10 October 2014 at 00:02

    Great post Susan, i would have to agree on the description of Hayley and it would be really interesting to see of they take that route for her character.
    On the Bonnie part though, she acted no better than Hayley no matter what her motives are, she called her mom's friends for help and lead them to their deaths very similair act to what Hayley did driven by two different motives. she didn't do the killing but its on her.
    I don't blame Caroline much for killing th witches, but she killled Luke in front of his sister to get him to cooperate, thats a terrible act and she didn't regret it a bit, that makes her no better than Hayley.
    PS i would like to add that i grow up almost the same way as Hayley and its hard for me as well to see things from other people's prospective, really impressed with the way you put it up.

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  47. bobseh10 October 2014 at 01:22

    I agree, there's a lot of misogynistic characters including Klaus, but I don't think this scene in particular should be picked at.

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  48. bobseh10 October 2014 at 01:27

    I'm not saying that's the case. I agree that the women on the show should be respected because they're women and not because they've fathered kids. My argument was that it wasn't what Elijah was saying to Klaus. We all know Klaus is a horrible person and many people in these shows are misogynistic. I'm not saying he isn't.


    I don't understand the recurring comparison of Hayley and Marcel. Yes, Klaus 'adopted' Marcel as a son on a whim a very long time ago, but it's very different than literally having a child with someone. Things have happened since then. If you still see a father/son relationship between Klaus and Marcel then we're watching a different show.

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  49. Inge Steenbakkers10 October 2014 at 13:12

    I guess you are missing my point. I get why Elijah says this to Klaus.
    I just dont get why the writers feel the need to write a scene like this in!
    Show us why Hayley deserves better, show her standing up for herself that she deserves better. And if this scene is just to make us root for Haylijah showing Elijah standing up for Hayley, you really dont have to have him do it in a scene like this.

    And really? The mother of your baby after a one night stand is more of a family than a child you raised and loved as your own for decades? Yes I get they arent acting as family right now just like in real life familymembers can have a fallout and prefer to not think of themselves as family. It doesnt make you less family tho. The fact you feel some 'blood connection' inderectly through a child is more family than a child that was adopted, raised and part of you family for decades makes me sick... Great message for all those that have been adopted in the world.

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  50. Méli-Mélo10 October 2014 at 14:38

    Finger crossed it'll happen for Cami indeed. And your theory is just as interesting for sure ;) ! I can't wait for Mikael and Esther scenes either because this relationship seems to be just as f'ed up as the other ones in the show and I think this will be entertaining. Plus I just love both characters so bring it show I'm so ready ;)!
    Also yeah, after the premiere, I think a lot of fans need their Claire Holt and Rebekah fix.
    As for Elena and TVD, LOL!! I still love Caroline, Stefan, Alaric and hell I might even start shipping Bamon. Just kidding, I'm just enjoying the fact that Elena and Damon are apart for now, because boy are they terrible when they're together! Well in fairness, Elena doesn't anyone's help to be terrible right now and I'll stop now before my Elena hate starts taking over. That said, I still find myself rooting for secondary characters too so that keeps me around lol!

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  51. Luke Farmer10 October 2014 at 14:42

    If I remember right, her "kill" was a car crash (or boat, for some reason I remember a boat involved)

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  52. fanfan15 October 2014 at 12:25

    I hope now you've got a better understanding on what Elijah said.

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  53. fanfan15 October 2014 at 12:27

    what are you talking about?
    Marcellus proves the opposite. Niklaus thinks he's part of the family

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