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— Christina (@SteeleSimz) October 16, 2014The Mentalist - Episode 7.09 - Title Revealed + Casting News
17 Oct 2014
The Mentalist
Thanks to JeniPl for the heads up.
still hope Hightower will return at some point......in the last season
ReplyDeleteLooks like this season is going to be blast from the past. Well, if they're bringing back characters and LaRoche is no longer relevant :(, then Mashburn please! We could use a fun one :)
ReplyDeleteOn a different note, this season seems to be packed with new writers. It's making me nervous.
The new season is going to be wonderful. I can't wait. I don't want it to be the last season.
ReplyDeleteYes, this "new writers" moment seems to be confusing, but let's hope for the best :)
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ReplyDeleteIt is a little confusing especially since there's only 13 episodes. I think that (unfortunately) many of the core writing staff have moved on to other projects after S6.
I'm still kinda hoping that BH writes the series finale though I know there's slim chances for that. Even though he eff-ed up the RJ thing, there's just something so charming and special about his writing that no one else has.
Anyway, I hope the newbies are at least fans of the show :)
It was said that near the end of season six that they had let many of the writers go since they weren't sure if they would get renewed. That's probably why there are new writers since they got the late renewal and like you said the other writers already signed on to new projects.
ReplyDeleteThere will probably be some type of difference with new writers, or some changes. One I noticed is, unless he took it as a nickname, Lisbon's brother James had been renamed Jimmy. (I believe people who are named James you Jim or Jimmy as a nickname which is why I didn't dismiss it being used as a nickname but Lisbon calls him by his birthname sort of like how Lisbon called her niece Annabeth even though she likes being called Annie And also how all the Lisbon siblings seemed to have names of saints and then they named the unnamed one Stan.
Hopefully they have ended the whole killing characters with a past. I mean first it was the ADA (His name escapes me at the moment), then LaRoache, and then Haibach. Also if you count before that there was Bertram.
ReplyDeleteMaybe even Minelli. It would be nice to see either Hightower or Minelli's reaction to Lisbon and Jane in a relationship. Assuming it lasts the whole season.
ReplyDeleteHmm, never thought of that. Maybe they should have named the third brother Chris.
ReplyDeleteWell, if the change in writers is reflected in less attention to details, then it's definitely not a good thing. I'm open to changes though, sometimes new blood in the system can be refreshing, as long as they stay true to the characters (of the main three).
Hopefully they did some rewatching, I'm totally up for some S3 Lisbon :)
Lisbon's brothers in episode 7.8 then Jane's "family" in 7.9. Reunion season!
ReplyDeleteIf you ask those who were heavily interested in the Red John Story line, I'm not one of those, the writers haven't been paying attention to details since the start of season 6. To me there seems to be a difference with the show since the start of season 5, though I can't put my finger on what it is.
ReplyDeleteIt's going to be interesting seeing Jane's "family" reaction to him and Lisbon in a relationship, assuming of course it lasts that long, since law enforcement is like the natural enemy of the Carney/con-man. Not to mention since Sam and Pete knew Jane since he was younger and knew his wife and daughter and what happened to them, it would be interesting to see what they think of him dating again.
ReplyDeleteI believe though BH is more concerned with Gotham (which I personally have no interest in), he's still observing the scripts somehow and no matter who the writer is, he or she has some guidelines to follow so that the key moments wouldn't be misinterpreted. If it is so, everything is ok, I suppose.
ReplyDeleteThe focus on the RJ storyline starting S5 made the show (and Jane) much darker which was fine at the time and to me made sense. Problem was that they seemed to rush the conclusion of this thing especially in S6 wanting to "get it over with" which resulted in an unsatisfactory conclusion to some of the viewers (myself included). By the end of it I too just wanted to just get it over with. I was very happy they decided not to end the series with the RJ arc but give us a glimpse into the lives of the characters post RJ and I think that one more season post RJ is perfect, even if it's a shortened one. I do hope that we get back to the more light & fun vibe of earlier seasons. There was so much humor in them which was really fun.
ReplyDeleteI'm not into Gotham either, but I very much hope that BH's still in the picture for TM. I will miss his humor though, if he doesn't write anything this season but I'm staying positive :)
ReplyDeleteI would think that Sam at least, being shrewd as I recall, would already guess as much, no? Wasn't she the one (together with Pete I assume) who was sending Lisbon Jane's letters? That's pretty telling I'd say for someone who knows Jane well... :)
ReplyDeleteTo me the RJ story line was built up so that in the end, to me at least, it had to be a elected official who was Red John. I probably wouldn't have picked a Sheriff, but it was a new twist on that.
ReplyDeleteI never really trusted the clues, I mean I never believed that the guy who poisoned Rebecca in season 2 was Red John.
I have to admit I've never been a fan of the whole someone did something bad and a character is chasing them and somehow they seem to got get caught type of Story-lines. (I'm also not a fan of the love triangle story lines either.)
Gotham is produced by Warner Bros. just like The Mentalist, so I wouldn't be suprised is their writers have work space in the same building or whatever which would give Mr.Heller the ability to review the scripts for both shows and be a bit hands on with The Mentalist if the need arose.
ReplyDeleteIf I remember correctly Mr.Heller had said earlier in the year that if Gotham had been picked up he would still be in control of TM, he just wouldn't handle the day to day things. Or at least it was something along those lines.
ReplyDeleteI don't think Abbott actually identified which Carney friends Jane had giving Lisbon the letters. Although Pete and Sam would have been the likeliest since they knew Jane the longest and Jane seems to trust them and they would probably be the most likely to go near Lisbon since they met her already.
ReplyDeleteYeah I wouldn't be surprised if Sam or both her and Pete, already figured out that Jane was in love with Lisbon. Though it's still going to be interesting to see how they would react to the news, since at least Sam gave Lisbon a frost reception when they first met because Lisbon was a cop and again when they were investigating the murder of Pete's nephews wife by RJ and the kidnapping of the nephews child. (Though the second meeting seemed even colder then the first.)
I thought the RJ storyline was very intriguing throughout most of the series. It wasn't without problems but I enjoyed it a lot up until somewhere in S5 when things started to get ridiculous and then the whole S6 arc was pretty sloppy-ly written. I think a lot of the fans who were disappointed with the end result would have been a lot less upset about the wasting of their time following non-existent clues for years, had this arc been conceptualized and written better. I think fans in general tend to be forgiving if you give them something really good even at the expense of some inconsistencies. Unfortunately (for me at least) it was just so unconvincing bordering on silly. You know, I think the show's greatest weakness is concluding stories of mega-villains. They start out as brilliant masterminds who are always ten steps ahead of the bureau, the build up is terrific and then it ends with them being uncharacteristically stupid. Tommy Volker, Michael Ridley, RJ... arcs in general I think (the S6 Haibach arc started off well then ep 615 was pretty bad). In any case, I'm really glad we're (hopefully) done with all things RJ and I'm really looking forward to get to know a happier and free-er Jane.
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Totally with you on the triangle thing.
I don't remember much of their second meeting, I'll have to rewatch. I remember the episode well enough, but not much of their meeting itself. I do remember that the first one was fun. They gave her the cold shoulder just for being a cop but it was still all good. I would think though that once they met/talked about the letters which was a very personal matter, the mtg probably had a different tone. I'll be surprised if Sam & Pete will prove to be clueless regarding J/L. Maybe they're there to make Jane realize some stuff if he hasn't already and/or is in a self-deprecating mode at the time of their meeting.
ReplyDeleteI found the whole Haibach story arc a bit out there. I mean never was he shown to have the capability to pull off what he did, but to me he would have needed some short of help (Other then his sister) and no help was shown. I mean why exactly did he wait two years to get his revenge and how exactly did he know when Jane came back to the US. That part he wouldn't have known without some type of inside help.
ReplyDeleteVolker was stupid but I think it was done in order to try and get Lisbon to change her opinion on Jane killing Red John. Remember Lisbon was stead fast on bringing RJ in and have him stand trial and Jane wanted to kill him, and Robin said that she thought that Lisbon wouldn't change her mind on Jane killing RJ unless something happened to her. Her having her own enemy like RJ and then RJ knocking her out and not killing her would qualify. I mean Heller was stead fast on Jane killing RJ even though Simon thought that Jane shouldn't have, and it would explain Lisbon's reluctance in stopping Jane from killing RJ, which also upset some fans from what I can tell.
When they met the second time, to me at least, both Sam and Pete acted cold and like they had never met Lisbon before.
ReplyDeleteMy guess is that they have something to do with the case, most likely the suspects or they know the suspects and Jane and Lisbon have to go undercover as Carney's. It will be interesting to see if they are actually in Texas or if they have to travel to California or somewhere else.
I'll be surprised if Sam and Pete help Jane realize something since my guess is that while they care about Jane they wouldn't be to receptive to his relationship with Lisbon.
I would be surprised to if Sam and Pete are clueless about Jane and Lisbon, since Carney's seem to pay attention to things, or at least that's what Jane made it seem when he pointed out how that one Carney should have noticed that Van Pelt was a cop.
I think the "out there" part was it being Haibach in the first place, which I agree wasn't very believable, but I thought the stuff that was leading to it (until 615) was a good set up for something great. Which is kind of my point. Starting out strong yet not delivering on the conclusion.
ReplyDeleteOh, Lisbon changed her opinion loooong before Volker came into the picture. The horrible S4 premiere took care of that. By S5 Lisbon could not help herself but indulge Jane's every whim. I never saw/read the interviews you're referring to but Lisbon sure did not need anything to happen to her in order to go along with whatever Jane wanted at that point. I say this with a bit of sadness as Lisbon's my absolute favorite and I did not care for that change in her.
Yeah I agree. The whole set up for the Haibach arc had me thinking that it was either the Blake Organization out for revenge for taking down RJ or the person was getting help from the Blake Organization.
ReplyDeleteThe interview I'm referring to given after the end of season five. I only remember because Season 5 ended a few days before my birthday and it was one of two interviews done that were released either on my birthday or around it. I also remember it was at the season 5 because I had made similiar comments about how I didn't think Lisbon would change her mind about killing RJ unless she had to go after someone like Red John herself, Ie Volker, or RJ either did something to her or he went after someone in her family.
Lisbon's stance on the matter I don't think was ever brought up except in that one RJ episode back in season one I think where Jane told Lisbon that she would be sorry or something like that if she tried to stop him. I think Lisbon would have tried to stop him if Red John hadn't nearly killed her and if she knew that Jane was planing on running away after. I think Red John nearly killing her made Lisbon realize that nobody would be safe and that the only way to stop him was to kill him.
For three seasons Lisbon was adamant on stopping Jane from killing RJ, it comes up on various occasions and she's always firm and determined (they have a conversation about it in the car in S3 on one of BH's episodes). Then Jane kills fake-RJ and suddenly she's totally cool with it. He gets released and she casually asks him how he's feeling now that he's killed RJ. Pfffft. Like it's nothing, like she didn't spend three seasons insisting that she will never let that happen. From then on she gets more and more sucked into Jane's twisted little world and goes along with anything more or less. I did not see Tommy Volker as some sort of a stepping stone for her to be ok with it, because she's already there IMO. And not because she thinks it's right, but because her protectiveness of Jane trumps anything else.
ReplyDeleteWhen Lisbon said she wouldn't stop Jane (S6) I didn't really believed her and I wasn't sure that Jane believed her either. But later, when I rewatched an episode of S4 Lisbon said "you shot and killed RJ. Good for you", so she actually was ok with that. And now comparing these two moments I'm a bit perplexed.
ReplyDeleteLisbon had been shot and miles away when Jane killed Carter so it wasn't like she could have stopped him, besides Jane didn't really clue her in that he thought Red John was at the mall with him, so she wasn't in the position to say anything.
ReplyDeleteLisbon asking how Jane felt having killed Carter though could be a slight at her stance of not killing Red John. I mean when someone kills someone for revenge it is a device for someone to ask how they feel as a way of either pointing out or subtlety saying that they shouldn't have killed whoever they did because it didn't make the person feel better or change anything. Also people who have killed for revenge have pointed out how killing the person didn't make them feel better. Also Lisbon showed her stance in season 5, when she could have killed Volker but instead she wounded him so that could be said to show her stance on killing for vengeance since Lisbon seemed to have been after Volker for revenge for killing his assistant who Lisbon promised to keep safe.
I've written below something about that, the "good for you" thing.
ReplyDeleteIn regards to S6, yeah I remember that conversation with Jane saying something in the lines of "after 20 years in law enforcement and your'e suddenly ok with it?" which I thought at the time was a little silly since Lisbon's change of heart was not sudden at all. I think her expression and reaction reflect that she's still uncomfortable with the idea but they both very well know that she will not stop him from doing whatever and that she'll go to great lengths to protect him above all. I think Lisbon came to terms with the fact that Jane will kill RJ long before S6 and even though she wasn't comfortable with that notion, she directed her focus to keeping him safe.
The point wasn't whether she could stop him or not, the point was that after standing firm in her beliefs for years, she did a complete 180 on something that was such a major part of her character. She just tossed it away, everything that she ever believed in (well not her, BH). She was sitting in the car asking him if he's feeling better now that he has MURDERED a man, as if she's asking him how he likes his breakfast. That was just not consistent at all with her character the way it was portrayed for three seasons. I don't see Volker as a catalyst for anything in respect to Lisbon to be honest. She is not a vengeful person and though she loathed him she would never have crossed the line there. She does however, seem to have a separate set of rules when it comes to Jane. She's a terrible liar, but she can lie through her teeth to protect him. She will never cross the line for herself or anyone else, but she will if it meant keeping Jane safe.
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As I recall not every person who has killed out of revenge stated that it didn't make them feel better. Remember the dad who avenged his wife's death?
The new writers, as someone else has said, are simply due to some of the others being let go when the show's future was up in the air. It won't change the show, as Bruno, Tom S and Jordan are all still with the show. With it being the final season, those 3 are no doubt steering the ship to the best possible conclusion (Bruno and Tom especially)...
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