"I happen to love working from source material, specifically because we have a pretty good idea of what season 10 is gonna be. We know where season 11 and 12...we have benchmarks and milestones for those seasons if we're lucky enough to get there."
If the ratings keep rolling in like they have been, it shouldn't be a problem.
If the ratings keep rolling in like they have been, it shouldn't be a problem.
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Damn, that's a lot of zombies.
ReplyDeleteWow! Wow!
ReplyDeleteNot going to lie, my first thought upon seeing the headline on Twitter was "Jesus fuck!" That's a lot of zombies and death.
ReplyDeleteDamn and I thought 7 seasons for Pretty Little Liars was a bit much.
ReplyDeleteYes, yes and yes!!! I want a constant splatter of gut and smashed zombie heads again and again and again!!! Just kill Carl!!!
ReplyDeleteIt will always be my belief that no show, no matter how good it is, should go beyond ten seasons. If you can't tell the story you want to tell in ten seasons, then you messed up somewhere along the way.
ReplyDeleteIm still pissed that they killed of Hershel.
ReplyDeleteAre you kidding me!! they are barely staring season 4 and already talking about season 12,WOW!!
ReplyDeleteThey've aired all of season 4. Season 5 will air in the Fall.
ReplyDeleteThis day is a bit much. Firstly... no scripted show should ever run for 12 freakin' years unless it's a daytime soap. Secondly, by that time none of the original cast would even be around and could have churned completely like twice over, which I guess is fine since ER did it, but geez. And thirdly, I have been half-heartedly keeping up with this show since my friend loves it so much but this announcement made me lose all interest, no way my interest in this show can live for another 8 years.
ReplyDeleteFirst PLL announces they are running themselves into the ground and now The Walking Dead is hoping they can. Ugh.
It's not really a matter of what you are or are not able to tell in 10 seasons, it's a matter of how much money you can make in 10 or more seasons. You could tell L&O:SVU's story in a short video, for an example, and look how many seasons we have.
ReplyDeleteExcept for the fact that TV isn't about how good a show is, it's about the ratings. The only true "messing up" in TV is if your show gets cancelled after a few episodes. Whether it's 1, 10 or 100 seasons, it's all about the $$$ and not about the story. :)
ReplyDeleteI genuinely thought this was a joke. 12 seasons is too much, just too much.
ReplyDeleteFor a serialized show, something like 8 seasons is a good number. Imagining the show could still be in production in 2022, that's crazy.
"We have a pretty good idea of what season 10 is gonna be". I call bullshit. And even if he does know, plans change, and there's a good chance the previous five seasons will take them in a direction that won't allow them to get to that pre-determined idea. It's quite constricting for the writers, too.
The worst part is, it's likely TWD will go on for too long. AMC is pretty desperate given that none of their shows get good ratings besides TWD : Mad Men isn't getting the final season bump (Ã la Breaking Bad), and when it will be gone next Spring, AMC will be left with Hell on Wheels (modest ratings on Saturdays), Turn (underperforming), Halt & Catch Fire (the pilot flopped and that's a damn shame because it is very good), and gambles such as Better Call Saul (Saul is awesome, but will most viewers find him interesting as a central character?) and possibly Preacher if they finally greenlight it (that's risky, but it could be very good and become the new Walking Dead, "buzz"-wise).
AMC is going down the wrong path. It's the viewers' fault too, they should be watching Halt & Catch Fire, like they should have been watching Rubicon
I would never mind more season of The Walking Dead!
ReplyDeleteCan't say the same for PLL.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if a show isn't any good then people stop watching, which then hurts the ratings, which then hurts profits, which then gets shows canceled. I'm not entirely certain how a show being good doesn't effect that.
ReplyDeleteI was going to make a joke on PLL's thread about Walking Dead's lasting 12 seasons because of being AMC's golden goose.
ReplyDeleteThey stole it from me.
Walking Dead lasting 12 seasons is a summary of AMC's current situation.
ReplyDeleteOnce Mad Men is over they are a network with one show, all the others get less the 2 million viewers and no acclaim.
Ten is already too many seasons.
ReplyDeleteIs there any show that was good past season 7?
Very subjective question, but I'm going to answer yes, because I personally loved CSI: Miami all the way through its 10th season and I am pretty sure I am going to love The Big Bang Theory when it enters its 8th season this fall as well.
ReplyDeleteBecause no show that goes on the air goes without at least some fans. TV shows are very subjective, and all shows get somewhat of a following, even if it is very small. It's all a matter of how big the fanbase is and the ratings from that fanbase. Only in extreme circumstances does the quality of a show have anything to do with its renewal or cancellation fate. It's all numbers to the networks when they make their decisions, and whatever show has the highest numbers wins.
ReplyDeleteThere are shows that get good ratings after 10+ seasons.
ReplyDeleteThe complications are related to costs, the cast earnings start to become too expensive.
Walking Dead can at least do reboots and kill everyone, so AMC doesn't care.
I agreee.
ReplyDeleteIn my personal experience, I've seen many shows declining past season 5, season 7 in fact was the final breath for most of them.
Since you mentioned a procedural and a sitcom, those are probably less affected, but serialized shows start to run out faster.
With the numbers The Walking Dead is pulling for them, they don't need any other show :P
ReplyDeleteHah, I agree. In fact, I only watch two serialized dramas, and one of them I stopped watching after one season because I didn't like the second one, so yeah, serialized dramas are a whole different story than procedurals and sitcoms :P
ReplyDeleteWhat! that's alot
ReplyDeleteActually, they do:
ReplyDeletehttp://time.com/92628/amc-profits-walking-dead/
AMC recognizes it, there are 20 pilots being developed on the network, but the first results were underwhelming (Turn premiered to 2 million viewers, Halt And Cath Fire to 1.2 million).
wow
ReplyDeleteFair enough :) I tried watching Halt and Catch Fire, had huge expectations and I was majorly disappointed (sadly, I might add). Would love to see more new projects on AMC.
ReplyDeleteHoly crap that's alot of seasons
ReplyDeleteWell, with the ratings of the show they can do whatever they want, but... 12 seasons?! wow, that's 4 more seasons than what I expected...
ReplyDeleteAMC should take chances and launch new shows using TWD instead of using The Talking Dead... hell, they could do a special sample after TWD and then use The Talking Dead later on!
By then the only original cast member will be Rick's hat, which will be worn by a new protagonist
ReplyDeleteWe already have too much filler at this point. The show has always had a bad pacing problem. I don't see how it can possibly last twelve seasons. Two more maybe, but not all the way to twelve.
ReplyDeleteComedies for me can survive past 7 seasons, drama on the other side... ugh, Smallville, Supernatural, Law & Order, CSI, all of those were shows I regularly watched and eventually became repetitive. Luckily, some of my favorite shows ended with the right amount of seasons (Fringe with 5, Lost with 6, Chuck with 5, among others)
ReplyDeleteLMAOOOOOO.
ReplyDeleteFringe could have had 7 seasons and be great though.
ReplyDeleteI don't blame AMC for using Talking Dead given its chepness and compatibility but for a channel with no depth, they should start launch shows after TWD.
ReplyDeleteLow Winter Sun's experience after Breaking Bad being a disaster isn't something that would keep them away from doing it. It wasn't well received and people only wanted to watch Breaking Bad's final episodes.
Walking Dead viewer looks more casual and except for BB's series finale, Walking Dead get ratings 2.5-3x bigger.
If the show is going to last that long they seriously need to cut out all the excessive talking and human plotting. The show should be suspenseful like Resident Evil where the survivors are in constant danger and there's no time to do anything else but react. That's the type of Walking Dead that I want to see. I don't care about Michonne's backstory or Rick for that matter or whether Bela from Supernatural is going to marry the Asian guy.
ReplyDeleteI couldn't agree more , their is even a walking dead spin off in development at AMC which shows how much faith they have in the show and really need it to help them do well. You never know better call saul could be a hit , but i doubt it.
ReplyDeletePeople...
ReplyDeletePeople who eat people....
are the luckiest people...
in the world.
How do you know that? I mean, has The CW or Julie Plec said that anywhere? Because I really don't see them cancelling the show until it has horrible ratings.
ReplyDeleteSounds like you want an action movie. That's not a television series. Without backstory, character development, and plot, all you have are two dimensional characters, in action scene after action scene, rinse and repeat. That gets very boring after a while. That's why movies average 2 hours and come in trilogies, And television series average 12-16 hours a season, for multiple seasons.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you that stories shouldn't be dragged out too long but for example, Grey's Anatomy is heading for the 11th season and it's a soap drama, I think Shonda Rhimes has finished the original story but she still writes a good bunch of stories to keep telling, in those cases, it doesn't matter
ReplyDeleteGrey's is not what it used to be it's still great and it's a serialized show. I don't watch Bones but I think it's still fine
ReplyDeleteUnless AMC cheaps out on cast contract renewals.
ReplyDeleteThat's certainly a lot. I am a watcher of the show myself, though I'm not crazy about it. It gets tedious and bleak sometimes with all that surviving and the endless hordes of zombies, which is the basic structure of the series. With that being said, I never really understood how the system with the ratings and the money a show brings, but I'd expect more people to be killed off from the main cast. Not sure there is even a possibility for any of them to survive long enough the apocalypse.
ReplyDeleteNYPD Blue lasted 12 seasons and was still good til the end.
ReplyDeleteOHHH MAI GAWWWDD YESS!!
ReplyDeleteSeason 12? woww, that's a lot of seasons, but hey, count me in for sure! I love TWD!
ReplyDeleteI love TWD, so 12 seasons sounds great to me, BUT we all know that somebody is gonna die every season, so I´m afraid that we will end up getting more new people and the cast that was there from the start die off. I really hope it stays good and have good character development (much more interested in that, than the Zombies), if so, I´m in.
ReplyDeleteFunny you write that. ER was my first thought when reading this news.
ReplyDeleteI admit many times when they go too long they mess up in plot and character plus various other areas, but even then I always watch till the end. But I have always liked the idea of a show going as long as it takes to fully achieve what it wants to achieve. And I think that can be possible with TWD being it from a comic, and those can many times go on for ages sometimes times with time progression and sometimes without.
ReplyDeleteWhat arrogance to assume you'll still be on the air in ten years! Even more so that the zeitgeist will be with The Walking Dead then. Every show runs out of steam eventually and it's naive to think that your show about zombies is the exception to the rule. The average serialized show has about six to seven good season in them and Alpert forgets that his show is no different.
ReplyDeleteI still don't get why they don't use TWD for sampling new shows.
ReplyDeleteAMC should take chances and launch new shows using TWD instead of using The Talking Dead...
ReplyDeleteWhat I've been saying all along.
oh come on..he was old and he had one leg..it was obvious he wouldn't last long once they left the prison..
ReplyDeleteI just checked up on that, and that's only what Julie Plec wishes. But who's to say the network won't keep it on for longer? Oh well, they're probably not gonna want to, since I can see the show's ratings declining much further by then, as they have this season. So when they do get cancelled or get a final season, it'll definitely be because of their bad ratings.
ReplyDeleteEven so , he was my favorite character.
ReplyDeleteThe show will probably end because the actors want to leave. Right now they are probably trying to convince them to do a seventh season.
ReplyDeleteThe ratings have declined but they are still one of the top shows.
I know, but I'm just saying the ratings will likely decline further (which doesn't have to be because of the quality, but simply because of the duration of the show), and therefore, in two years, it seem very likely to me that they'll be ending billed as "the final seventh season", but not nearly with the quality or ratings that it used to have.
ReplyDeleteit's natural to not have the same quality and ratings compared to it's earlier seasons,TVD is no exception.It's just that all the main trio seems to be wanting to move on so they may not renew their contract for 7th season!
ReplyDeleteI'm not so sure I can stick with this show that long in less we move onto another group without killing all of the current group. I don't watch for the zombies, I watch for the characters. No one I like left means nothing to keep me watching.
ReplyDeleteThat's all fine and dandy, if they can keep hope alive and the switchovers don't happen because everyone is dead.
ReplyDeleteThen we'd just be watching for the deaths, and I personally don't want to watch a show that has zero hope in survival.
I agree with you.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure there is any hope. But if there is, i'd imagine it would be covered by the new "companion series". Rumor has it, the new series will start, in the early days of the outbreak. Maybe with scientists, the military, or both.
ReplyDeleteIf there isn't any I wish they would say so and save me the trouble from watching. No hope/all dead = me out. I have other shows to watch.
ReplyDeleteOr at least have the zombies evolve somewhat -- i.e., develop a little more intelligence -- even if that means that they become even more of a threat to the remaining humans.The way this show is set up now, it's just monotonius and repetitive brutality.
ReplyDeleteWell i've always seen The Walking Dead as a character study, into the human condition. When faced with an extinction level event, what will humans do? Pull together trying to save humanity? Trying to build a safe haven, to keep going as long as possible? Or turn on one another, looking to their own self interests, thus hastening humanities demise?
ReplyDeleteI've always seen it as a character study but just not the same kind. Unlike many fans I got into the show for the characters (and because friends were watching so I checked it out). The zombies are just a bonus. Not the other way around. If it turns out I got into the wrong show, it'll be easy to drop.
ReplyDeleteEuphemia is right, please stop arguing.
ReplyDeleteWe stopped arguing 3 months ago. Get on with your life, loser.
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