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Supernatural – Episode 9.20 – The Gripe Review

3 May 2014

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What. Was. That?

Don’t get me wrong, I know it was the backdoor pilot to a possible spin off of the show. The news blasted through the fandom months ago, and was slammed with criticism right away. Why a spin off that does not include anyone from the regular or extended cast? Why ground it in an urban environment when the original show (at the onset) was set on the road? Why Mafia-esque, privileged, monster families when Supernatural’s main story has always been about blue collar loners driving muscle cars and squatting in grimy motels?

Few in my circles felt excited about this project without even wtching the first episode.

The producers could have gone a million ways to spin off a 9 year old show, fans discussed. My personal favorites were John Winchester and a young Sam and Dean. Also a depowered Castiel starting out as a hunter. With the second one they could have added the rest of Castiel's resurrected, extended family: Gabriel, Balthazar and Lucifer. Crowley could have joined them too. In fact Crowley could have had his own show since Mark Shepard has the charisma and talent to helm a spin off or two.

But instead they gave us this. Because Bloodlines was never meant to be a Supernatural spin off. It was one of the many scripts lying around the executive offices, meant for a potential fledgling show next season, and the CW gods decided to dress it up, paint it pretty, and market it with the Supernatural label . Much like what a store owner does with a knock off bag in this skit from an old Whoopi Goldberg show (skip to 2:20).


That’s what Bloodlines is, not a spin off, but a knock off.

Initially I didn’t want to write this review. I kept thinking I am a Supernatural reviewer. I do not care for some soap opera riding its coattails. The only reason I chose to go ahead with the review was my love for the reader comments. I didn’t know what to write the review about though: Why this wasn’t a Supernatural spin off? Why the episode itself was awful beyond description? Or how I laughed out loud every time Sam and Dean showed up on screen because it looked like Jared and Jensen had accidentally walked into the wrong set? I chose to go for a combination of all, to keep my sanity intact.

Gripe #1 – This show’s premise goes against the essence of Supernatural


Let’s forget the absence of actors from the original show, the irrelevant setting, and lack of any adaptation from the original mythology (shifters, werewolves and other monsters are from lore, they don’t exclusively belong to Supernatural.) Even if we accept Bloodlines as a show inheriting nothing from its parent it still doesn’t work as a spin off, because its main premise runs counter to SPN.

Supernatural is based on the idea that there are dangerous monsters roaming the world and causing murder and mayhem among humans. Humanity’s only defense against these creatures are the rough and rugged hunters who have been seeking out and killing them for centuries. The only reason our streets aren’t teeming with vampires, ghouls and rougarous is because hunters clean them up.


Even though many parts of canon has changed over nine years, this core concept of how the world operates in the SPN universe and why monsters and demons haven’t taken over it has stayed the same. There was that bit with the Leviathans but Sam and Dean were aware of them and worked towards eliminating them in the end.

Bloodlines’ premise walks all over this principle. How could five large monster families live in Chicago, right under the hunters’ noses, for generations, and remain undiscovered and unopposed? And if they are so good at thwarting hunters (which they didn’t seem to be, judging by what happened in this episode) why have they remained in the city instead of expanding their territories? Why haven’t they taken over the whole country, even the whole world? This plot hole becomes more prominent when we consider one of the families is a shape shifter family, which means they could change into anyone they want (without pulling their skins off I might add.) What is stopping them from replacing the entire staff of the White House, or the Ministry of Defense, or other government agencies, and begin world domination from there? I really like to ask the show runner this one question without getting into the rest of the incongruities that make this premise so mind boggling.

Gripe #2 – The idea of monster families is inherently flawed


This is not so much a grievance with this episode as it is with the way all media treats classic monster and supernatural mythologies in the post-Twilight era.

Monsters didn’t used to have nuclear families. That was considered a human trait and one of the many that made humans sympathetic. Monsters couldn’t build a family that consisted of parents and children because most of them didn’t reproduce, at least not in the natural way. Some monsters like vampires and werewolves had covens and packs. But the rest of them were lone predators hiding in the shadows.

Even if we ignore ancient lore and think about it logically (fictional logic that is,) it makes no sense for monsters to have families, because most monsters are created, not born. Vampires are created through the bite, as are werewolves. Djinn and Ghouls don’t even form communities as evident from dialogue directly from the show. The only exception to this unwritten rule are the shape shifters.


And really, what does a werewolf family really mean? Do werewolves give birth to werewolves? Or do they bite their offspring once they reach a certain age? What about Djinn? Do they marry other Djinn even though there’s so few of them around? Do they inbreed? Where do the cousins and uncles and aunts come from? What would the offspring of a werewolf and shape shifter be? A shapewolf? A wereshifter?

As I said, the problem isn’t with the show, but with how the media started messing with monster lore in the second half on the 2000’s, particularly after the Twilight hype. Before that, vampires only had lairs were a master vampire ruled over a group of progeny. Twilight turned them into moms and dads and brothers and kids. It bastardized the vampire lore and set off a new wave based on the idea of nuclear family monsters throughout the entire media. Bloodlines is only the latest offshoot of that bastardization, in a long line of shows, movies and books that domesticated and purified what used to be wrong and scary.

Supernatural was one of the few shows that still followed the old traditions. Then new writers and show runners came along and changed it, so much so they now can put a label on another bastard show and call it its offspring.

Gripe #3 – Even as an original pilot, this is bad


I rambled on a lot about why this has nothing to do with Supernatural and is in fact a perversion of everything the original show was built on. However that’s only from the spin off perspective. What if we looked at it as a show in its own right, with original mythology, characters and plot?

Guess what? It still fails.

Bloodlines leaves behind everything good that elevates Supernatural to great heights and takes only the one low thing: the writing. From constant exposition, to wooden dialogue to characters doing irrational things (like the villain taking off his mask - all three layers of it - to explain both his reasons and his plan to the hostage) Bloodlines is a parade of bad writing. It’s if you stripped Supernatural of its good actors, and the amount of heavy lifting they do to make the awful scripts work, and replaced its cast with less talented newcomers.


Speaking of the casts, the one from Bloodlines sure leaves a lot to be desired. From humans to monsters everyone was clearly not picked for their acting skills. Ennis chews his way through every scene. Violet sleep walks through all of hers. Her brother works hard to pretend he is Tom Cruise. And the head of the shape shifter family…I can’t even tell what she says or does, fascinated as I am with her plastic looks and poses. The only one who is remotely bearable is David and that’s only because he's in easy company.

Gripe dump


There were so many other problems I had with the episode that, as I was watching and taking notes, I ran out of paper and threw my hands up. I neither have the time nor the energy to analyse each of these so I'll just list them, end-credits style:

-Werewolves can wolf out without the full moon.

-Shifters can shift without taking off their skins.

-Shifters could also take over the world by shifting into world leaders, yet the only thing one does is to impersonate a university professor to steal exam questions.

-When his body becomes old and bedridden a shifter doesn’t shift into a healthier body.


-A bad guy calls his sister a bitch on camera, later she refers to herself as one too.

-Even though the guy who threatened her is now dead, the sister doesn't tell her ex why she ditched him so many years ago, just to keep the drama going.

-Everyone looks like they work at the same modeling agency even though they have different backgrounds and grew up in different environments

-The villain has a wall full of kid pictures and newspaper clippings, which would clue in the most brain dead viewers why he wants to kill monsters, yet the writers find it necessary to explain it to us.

-The villain is technically a hunter, who are technically the good guys in Supernatural. Yet he’s the only one who gets ganked in the end.

-When the villain sees a gun pointed at him by the boyfriend of the girl he killed, instead of denying the act, or running away, he stands there and explains why he did it.


-Even though it was a human who killed the main character’s girl he feels obligated to go after monsters, a.k.a. the good guys he encountered in this story.

-Once he thinks about becoming a hunter his dad calls him from beyond the grave like an oracle able to read minds.

-And last but not least that horrible voice over at the end, followed by the cheesy dialogue from the oracle dad, “If you start hunting, the monsters will kill you.” You thunk?



As always feel free to sound off in the comments. Here are some gifsets to cheer you up.




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100 comments:

  1. Freaking love those sets at the end.

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  2. Tessa Marlene3 May 2014 at 17:34

    Thanks, took me a while to make them. :)

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  3. I really liked the cast and thought the pilot showed real potential. I would be extremely interested to see where it went should it get picked up.

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  4. Those pictures are the best thing to come out of this 'spinoff' so thank you for making them. I've been thinking for ages that Bloodlines sounded like a completely unrelated show that the network knew would fail on its own, so they slapped Supernatural in front of it to capitalize on the loyalty of the existing Supernatural fanbase. I'm glad that other people think the same too. It's especially confusing when you consider that The Originals airs on the same night on the same network. It's the same damn premise.

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  5. I'm going to forget that such ep was made. It wasn't SPN so why bother?
    I'm just angry why they used SPN slot for it!

    Nice review and excellent gifsets ;)

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  6. My biggest issues were with the treatment of women and with the treatment of the "villain". The women were in three stereotypical roles. 1) Ennis's girlfriend who existed only to be fridged so Ennis could start his heroic journey. Yes, Jess was that as well, but somehow, through acting and Sam's continued devotion, I actually see Jess as a person, not a disposable motivator. Nine seasons in I know her name. Ennis's girlfriend I would have to look up, because she didn't even stick that much in my memory. 2) David's sister Margo(?). Okay the second woman whose name I'm not 100% sure of. She got called "your sister" a lot in this pilot. She is the stereotype of the woman who is a cold hearted bitch (the word is overused in Supernatural, but that's the steroetype). In addition she can't just be running the family business because she's good at it. No, she has to be power hungry and wants to start a war that we are shown no reason for her to want. She epitomizes woman in power who proves that women should never ever be in power. 3) Violet. Yay, I know her name. Boo she's a damsel in distress who shouldn't be in distress because she proves she can fight and get back and protect David. Of course, she must be talked down from killing her kidnapper and torturer, which would be alright EXCEPT the only reason to talk her down is so Ennis can kill him. Ennis gets to kill him because fridged girlfriend trumps actual physical violation and (let's face it) because only manly men are permitted to be strong and proactive. Girls should be weak, and wait to be rescued.

    This brings us to the villain. Again this is a character whose name I didn't catch (I may have not been paying enough attention). He didn't mean to kill Ennis's GF. He felt bad about it. He basically has been doing, fairly effectively, what Ennis planned to do, take down monsters who kill humans. One day this guy discovers there are monsters running the city and one of them has killed his daughter. He isn't a hunter. He doesn't know there are hunters. He has no resources outside of himself. The monsters aren't scattered individuals like the Winchesters normally take on. They are organized and powerful. So he dons his gear, makes his kills look like the monsters are turning against each other which might make them turn on each other and take each other out. He's actually pretty brave. What he isn't is young and hunky, so of course he is killed, by Ennis, a POLICE OFFICER, who had proof that he had killed the monster that no one knew was a monster. So Ennis could have arrested him and had him tried and put in jail for murder of the werewolf and for the involuntary manslaughter of his girlfriend. They even had kidnapping of Violet to charge him with. Yeah, he would have babbled about monsters, but no one has twigged to five monster families running Chicago by now, some looney who dresses up in black with fake claws isn't going to upset that apple cart. There was no need to kill him. NONE, except he wasn't young and hunky and therefore vengeance for his child and saving people, hunting things doesn't count.

    If this becomes a series I may give it a go, but LORD it had a rocky start for me. If they fixed the female characters and try to deal with the other issues (boy are you right about taking over the world by looking like world leaders) it might morph into something enjoyable. Pilots are usually not that great. But as of now. I think they should go back to the drawing board and find a new concept for a spinoff. Ratings were good, so it looks like fans would embrace a spinoff. Critical review is leaning toward not this spinoff.

    BTW over at Winchester Family Business they have an article asking for spinoff ideas instead of this one. Here http://www.thewinchesterfamilybusiness.com/article-archives/season-nine/18514-cw-scheduling-clinic-yes-or-no-to-bloodlines-give-us-your-spinoff-pitch some of the ideas are interesting, IMHO.

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  7. Some of those spinoffs sound pretty good. I love the Anni/Jodi one. I pitched one similiar to this myself a couple of days ago (without Krissy). But to be honest I'd love a spinoff based on John when he first started out as a hunter. They even have base material already, the comic series. Supernatural: Origins. Those comics were so good. I'm sure Matt Cohen would be up for it.

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  8. Do you watch The Originals? If not, I highly suggest you watch that. It's very similar to Bloodlines only without cheesey diologue and the cast is incredible.

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  9. I did watch it and to be honest I preferred The Originals (and The Vampire Diaries) before they split into two shows.

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  10. Those gifs are GREAT/ I don't care I want to go back to my own show.

    One thing: I think Violet didn't tell David that Sal broke them up because she knew David loved/idolized his brother. And if the show goes on we might find out that "somebody" would've killed David if he got together with Violet.

    I THINK we have "werewolf families" from Garth's episode this year. I really do resent the shifter transformation changes.

    And I hadn't thought about it the way that you had, BUT it makes sense that this is a sort-of generic CW script that got written over with Supernatural "ideas" added. It seemed much more like The Originals (with a city controlled by one group with two conflicting other groups to deal with) down to its fascination with "love" stuff going on.

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  11. I thought it ruined Ennis' character for him to blow away the claw-handed killer. Just like in the show mob violence ends up taking collateral damage (like Jazmine?) and that should've been dealt with by the Five Families, right? Like monster killer should've died when the hunter guy's daughter died. To SHOW the minions who live in Chicago that we cannot tolerate killing the populace.

    Another problem was that Ennis (to fit CW demographic) looked much too young to be Chicago PD; if he had been in the police academy or something it would've worked better.

    Percysowner, you have some good reasons for the disquietude about the episode.

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  12. Someone at CW probably said"The Originals worked so let's do it again. Attaching it to Supernatural makes sense" I really hope this momentum-killing thing is not picked up to series

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  13. i already said in this site but I'll say it again. They cut Sam story in two add some The Originals(the worst possible version) and here it is Supernatural: Bloodlines. I can't think about one thing i liked on this episode and that never happened to me in 9 seasons... Oh wait! i have one now, when the promo for the NEXT episode started.

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  14. I think it was just for marketing... i hope they paid Jensen and Jared some extra because they don't deserve such atrocity.

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  15. Tessa Marlene3 May 2014 at 21:13

    Thanks for the detailed reply, as always.

    somehow, through acting and Sam's continued devotion, I actually see Jess as a person, not a disposable motivator.

    This episode made me noticed what important role good acting played in making Supernatural a successful show. As I said in the review, these were the same writers, with the same kind of shabby dialogue, yet Jensen, Jared, Misha and Mark somehow make it work so we mostly don't notice. Here the actors were not as talented to the bad writing became doubly jarring.

    She epitomizes woman in power who proves that women should never ever be in power.Pretty much the evil queen role, that was solely made to show women should never raise above the station of princesses (implying youth and inexperience.) Once they become queens they become trouble.

    because only manly men are permitted to be strong and proactive. Girls should be weak, and wait to be rescued. I'm going to go farther and say because killing somehow defiles a beautiful woman and leaves a scar on her pure soul, whereas men don't have an issue with dirty souls so they're allowed to do it.

    There was no need to kill him. NONE, except he wasn't young and hunky and therefore vengeance for his child and saving people, hunting things doesn't count.

    I saw this debated a lot, and frankly you brought the best argument. People said even though he was a hunter he had killed Ennis' gf so he deserved to die. Except in Supernatural hunters seemed to have a code not to kill humans, even the bad ones. They even used to exorcise the demons out of possessed humans so the human could live (at least they did it in the earlier seasons.) Yet here we have a police officer shooting a man in cold blood because he pushed his girl and accidentally killed her. What a hero!

    I think they should go back to the drawing board and find a new concept for a spinoff. Ratings were good, so it looks like fans would embrace a spinoff. Critical review is leaning toward not this spinoff.



    Right there with you. And with all the great ideas being tossed around the fandom why not go for something that actually has its roots in the show, instead of an Originals mock up? And why not break out of the mold? The CW had great success when they did that with Arrow. They have the Supernatural vehicle to back this one up. Let's do something that doesn't involve pretty people in impossible romances.

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  16. I am so glad you decided to write this review as I was looking forward to hearing what you had to say. I love SPN (I've even gone to several conventions) and I found this episode so painful to watch I actually couldn't finish it. Thanks for the gifsets - those are hilarious!

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  17. Tessa Marlene3 May 2014 at 21:29

    One thing: I think Violet didn't tell David that Sal broke them up because she knew David loved/idolized his brother.

    A simple, "Your brother told me not to meet you," wouldn't have hurt anyone's feelings, especially since Sal already had apologized to David, meaning he thought David deserved to know.

    I THINK we have "werewolf families" from Garth's episode this year.

    Yes, I remembered that, and resented it as much. Like I said, this isn't a problem unique to this episode but it's happening with every monster story nowadays in the media. Over at the originals we have a werewolf carrying a witch baby whose father is a werewolf/vampire hybrid, and it's all about mommy and daddy when vampire and werewolf stories used to be about blood and darkness.

    down to its fascination with "love" stuff going on. Forbidden love seems to be the only theme the CW executives are willing to go for in a new show, even though so many of their shows featuring this theme (Star Crossed, Beauty and the Beast) are failing.

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  18. Tessa Marlene3 May 2014 at 21:30

    Thanks for the comment. I myself laugh at those gifsets, mainly because I almost expected Jensen to say those things during the episode.

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  19. Forbidden love seems to be the only theme the CW executives are willing
    to go for in a new show, even though so many of their shows featuring
    this theme (Star Crossed, Beauty and the Beast) are failing.
    What really floors me is that the series that have been successes for the CW for the most part don't have forbidden love. Arrow was a hit last season and not a forbidden love in sight. Even the Tommy/Lauren/Oliver triangle was muted then dumped. The Originals has love interests, but only Rebekah/Marcel would be called forbidden and then Claire Holt left. The main focus is the interpersonal relationships between the Originals and those people in New Orleans that know about them. Reign I can't speak to, and the ratings have been dropping, but TPTB announced that they are dropping their big triangle and focusing on other things. The 100, which is doing really well for a midseason entry, has been refreshingly honest that sex sometimes happens because you're scared and lonely and two people are horny. Of course SPN has never been about romance and romantic love. Only TVD has forbidden love and even that has more going on than that. I'd think the CW would pick up on the fact that the shows that don't focus on romance or use forbidden love as a plot device do better than those that do. Heck, I've seen tons of complaints about the triangle on The Tomorrow People.

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  20. and what they are saying is so in character! Especially Dean with his "I want to go back to my own show"....just fabulous!

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  21. The spin-off was created months before The Originals was given a series order.

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  22. Tessa Marlene3 May 2014 at 22:26

    I know. I read it in his "I want my pie!" voice. Poor Dean, fed up with playing second fiddle to some kid cop.

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  23. One thing that occurred to me was how they tried to copy Dean's iconic characteristics, the mischievous and witty-mouth part for the shifter guy and the serious-attitude-toward-job part for Ennis!!!
    Well geniuses, there's a news for you, maybe you can steal Sam's story (obviously w/ poor result) but you definitely can NOT create another Dean/Deans.

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  24. They even had that moment where Dean/Ennis said the same line at the same time.

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  25. God how i hated the "Awesome" moment...it was a punch im my face right there.

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  26. I stopped watching TTP when the love triangle became the most important thing that happened in an episode. I hear it's been dropped so I'll probably go back and try and power through it until it gets good.

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  27. we were talking about that on facebook... Honestly i felt insulted. It seems to me that they don't know Supernatural at all. That fake Dean won't go anywhere.

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  28. That's not true? The Originals was announced a long time before anybody even thought about a Supernatural spin off.

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  29. Tessa Marlene3 May 2014 at 23:18

    Yes, lines from SPN were reused. Some mentioned Dean's line to Cas in TMWWBK: "I was there, where were you?" hilariously used by David to address his lover. I didn't see it as copying though, just the writers being extremely one note.

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  30. Martin Anders3 May 2014 at 23:26

    "One thing that occurred to me was how they tried to copy Dean's iconic
    characteristics, the mischievous and witty-mouth part for the shifter
    guy and the serious-attitude-toward-job part for Ennis!!! "

    That was a doomed effort from the start. Dean's trademark combination of wittiness and dedication is not what the writers bring to the character, its what Jensen brings to the writing.

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  31. Martin Anders3 May 2014 at 23:30

    That line was so poignant and deep - especially in connection to the little flashback with Cas turning away and towards Crowley. The whole story of the season was contained in that one line - that all of Cas' mistakes could've been avoided if he only asked for Dean's help.



    This context was so removed from it though that I didn't even realize that it was the same line.

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  32. Martin Anders3 May 2014 at 23:39

    @One note women.

    Supernatural has shown us that it can give us strong female characters. Both Missouri and Ellen were awesome. We grew to love Jo and say what you will about Ruby - she played the role she was meant to play expertly. And Jody is a decent addition as well.

    Which means they could've created better characters than caricatures of the maiden, the matron and the whore. For a moment there - with Violet breaking free and attacking her captor - it did feel like the writer was trying to transcend her character into something better, like being an interesting combination of strength and naivete - but the moment was too brief and unsupported by anything else. So she remained the 2-D D-in-D.

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  33. Martin Anders3 May 2014 at 23:41

    Who's Jazmine?

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  34. Tessa Marlene4 May 2014 at 00:02

    Totally, and the way Jensen delivered it, the pain in his eyes... goose bumps.


    I didn't notice it repeated here either until some fans pointed it out. I guess the writer wanted to feel like Edlund for a day. :)

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  35. Tessa Marlene4 May 2014 at 00:27

    I'm sorry I disappointed. Like I said, I didn't even intend to write a review for this episode because I didn't think this was Supernatural at all, and I'm not in the business of taking apart some dumb pilot other than saying "This is not a Supernatural spin off." Reading through my review I'm sure you notice that most of it circles back to the original show. I didn't want to spend any more time on the knock off show beyond listing its dumb flaws which even then felt like stating the obvious to the readers.

    I'm so happy you took the time to list your gripes though so I could read them.

    So, if a bunch of supernatural creatures are being smart and discreet, theoretically, they could escape notice for a long time. Like the witch coven in in the "familiar" episode

    The problem runs deeper than that. One could cite the vampire lair in the Twilight episode too but when Dean got the chance he killed them all Kill Bill style. The bigger problem with these mob families is that they come with different flavors of monsters. Some are good, others are evil, some like Sal are in between. In the world of Supernatural, when most hunters are "Kill first, ask questions later," when Sam and Dean tell Castiel to literally "clean up" Crowley's monster torture factory which had baby shifters in it, it doesn't work to have David and Violet as characters. In the actual show, until recently, good monsters who were left alive were quite rare. Some like Lenore eventually got killed, or like Madison and Benny felt hopeless and asked to be killed. Only Garth and his werewolf family were an exception and even that rubbed me the wrong way. I let it go in the review for that episode because I hoped we wouldn't see them again, but for this one I couldn't.

    The only disagreement here is that the idea of monster families isn't exactly new to Supernatural. We had Azazel referring to Meg and the other dude as his children.

    To me that sounded more like a "created offspring" comment, like a vampire progeny calling her sire father. It was evident when later Meg started calling Lucifer father. I'm cool with that. What I am bothered by is the increasing representation of monsters in nuclear, mom, dad, baby families.

    your point seems to be that even when they are related by blood, their familial bonds rely more on loyalty and common purpose than any actual love and nurturing.



    Exactly. In pre-Twilight stories vampire children were very devoted to their father/mother, which meant the vampire who made them. It made up for interesting weird families where sometimes the parent looked years younger than the offspring yet still had dominance over him/her due to their real ages. Those novel ideas are sadly gone now.


    I agree with all of your gripes and frankly I saw most of them in the episode. But as I said, I didn't feel like griping over a show I didn't care about. It's the same answer I give when people ask me why Supernatural is the only show I write gripe reviews for: because it's the only flawed show I care enough about. Others I just tune out.

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  36. Martin Anders4 May 2014 at 00:39

    I've been seeing a lot of comparison between Bloodlines and The Originals. I'm not sure I agree with all those comments. Sure, there is thematic similarity between the two - different factions supernatural creatures fighting for the control of the city - but anything beyond that seems unwarranted.



    Most opinions I see seem to lean towards the idea that if this series does get picked up, it'll be like a bad version of Originals with with a second-rate cast and poor dialogue. But both the dialogue and the cast are fixable and otherwise, I believe, due to the simple virtue of being set in the Supernatural universe, the series might have a chance of surpassing Originals. And yes, that is despite the extremely poor backdoor pilot.



    The potential is because of the following reasons:


    1. In The Originals, Klaus (and by extension, the rest of his family) have been presented as almost ridiculously powerful. Whatever machinations other factions might pull, it seems like a foregone conclusion that he'd end up on top.



    On Bloodlines, they'd have a chance to avoid all that. They could start of by making the bold move of killing a few characters - my vote is for Ennis and Violet (and give Margo a personality transplant while they're at it). The you can bring in Ennis' sister - a mother of two - tough-as-nails black girl who starts unraveling the families through guile and subterfuge while trying to maintain the facade of..... Sorry, got carried away there.



    2. As I said before, Supernatural has a better mythology to draw from - if only the writers would use the source material. In Originals, we have the same three factions - vampires, werewolves and witches - fighting against each other - over and over and over again. Only their methods change, the enemies remain the same



    On Bloodlines, new factions could rise, old ones could fall, some families could be eradicated completely. Rather than focusing on the main characters we've seen, they could really turn it into an ensemble cast where no character is truly secure.



    3. Klaus is kind of the biggest bad we've seen. The show keeps trying to bring up credible threats against him, but given his power and position an the protagonist, they don't seem all that credible to me. And given his nature, the idea that there could be something worse seems unlikely as well.



    On bloodlines, they could show that there are many other, much bigger threats which would have all the families running for cover. For example, if Crowley comes calling. Or if the Alpha Vampire decides to take an interest. Or if some of the old Gods decide to reassert themselves and establish Chicago as a power base.



    Or worst of all - there is always the risk that if they go to far, the Winchesters would come back and kill them all. The show could have that kind of suspense that I don't see possible in Originals.



    4. So far, I've found none of the characters on Originals to be particularly sympathetic. On that show, the only question seems to be "who's the lesser evil".


    Despite Bloodlines being about monster families, we've seen that it is possible for Supernatural to paint them with a sympathetic brush. And while none of the characters from the episode were particularly appealing, that doesn't mean they can't add a new roster. There is still the potential for Heroes vs Villains in Bloodlines, unlike Originals, where it is Villains vs worse Villains.



    5. Originals has kept up with TVD's proclivity for fast paced plot - which makes it suffer in other ways. When everything happens so fast, everything past gets swept under the rug and no time is left to develop upon the repercussions and consequences.



    If Bloodlines follows Supernaturals idea of exploring the world, we'd get to see the long term effects of what happens to the normal people due to the activities of these Supernatural creatures. That would be something new that isn't explored in detail in the original show either.

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  37. Yup this was not only one of the worse episodes of Supernatural at a time when I think that the show couldn't get any worse but it's also one of the worse pilots/episodes I think I've ever seen for anything and believe me I've seen a lot of tv shows.

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  38. Martin Anders4 May 2014 at 01:04

    "The problem runs deeper than that..."

    When you put it like that - I see your point and agree with it. So, I'll add a little more to it.

    Until season 8, I thought that there was an interesting idea present within the Supernatural canon - though it was never made explicit. It is related to Death's comment in season 6 - "Its all about the souls". Demons belong to hell - so it is in their nature to enjoy spreading pain and misery. Angels belong to heaven - so their nature is to follow orders blindly. Monsters' souls belong to purgatory - so they are slaves to their primal instincts. There may be competing instincts, like self-preservation or vengeance, which might sometimes prompt them to act in a different manner, but more often than not, they simply can't. Humans, on the other hand, have free-will. They have the capacity to be good or bad or anything in between.

    I used to feel there was a great deal of canon support for this idea. Dean said it about Shapeshifters in season 2 that they are slaves to their instincts. The vampires have an intense craving for blood. Newly turned werewolves instinctively go for their victim's heart - whether they are aware at the time or not. And it is only through great self-restraint that these things are able to overcome their basic nature. We saw it with Lenore and Benny. We saw it with the werewolf professor in Bitten. And even though Garth's episode largely went against this idea, it atleast made a mention of how hard it is for him to avoid human hearts. This idea is what justifies the Winchesters' shoot first policy.

    However, if shapeshifters and werewolves, like in this episode, can just go about their business with no more concern for their basic nature than a normal human, then it does cheapen 8 seasons worth of myth building and the struggles all those other characters have been through.

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  39. The writing lately has been so bad that I wouldn't be surprised if Jensen Jared doesn't sign on past season 10. This is getting ridiculous now. It's very rare now to get an episode that doesn't suck.

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  40. Wasn't that Ennis' girlfriend's name? Have I forgotten it already?

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  41. It's just Sal really seemed like a cool guy who had a wonderful relationship with his brother. I am already foggy: was there a flashback in which Sal offered David support for David's romance with Violet? If he did and THEN went to Violet and told her to take a powder that sucks (but again he might've been under pressure from somebody to do that) or if he didn't offer support for the romance but told his brother he had his back it still sucks.
    It's just Sal seemed really laid back compared to the rest of the characters.
    Was there any intimation that Sal was a "racist" about inter-monster sexing?
    Hey what if it turns out David and Violet are RELATED? (Alpha Shifter would pretend to be husband to wife and knock her up, maybe dying daddy did the same? EEEEK.)

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  42. Martin Anders4 May 2014 at 09:00

    I think that was Tamara.

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  43. The show was supposed to be in Chicago and it is the murder capital so dead bodies just don't count there I guess.

    I did read it all and agree with most of it. I think TPTB did not feel the show could stand on its own, so added the Supernatural to the title. I am hoping even that won't save it. Almost like The Originals but they have a better cast and the fact that more actors in Bloodlines are from TVD and TO makes me wish they had put TVD:Bloodlines.

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  44. Vampires live in groupings called nests, and werewolves can be born and live in packs. With the exception of vamps, werewolves and skinwalkers, all monsters on the show are born, not turned. So there is no flaw to the idea of monster families, hell in season 6 the djinn that attacks Dean makes mention that the djinn Sam killed in season 2 was her/their father.

    Werewolves changing outside of a full moon was laid out way back in season 6, and then they brought in the idea of purebloods who, if they are born or bitten within 4 generations of a pureblood can change before during and after the lunar cycle, and have more control over themselves.

    The shapeshifter thing I have no idea about, most likely a network thing. One way to look at it is they are a different species, even in the season 1 episode they mention different countries have different types of shapeshifters in their lore.

    Why the old/dying shapeshifter didn't just change into a healthier body? Because I'm pretty shapeshifting doesn't involve the regeneration of failing internal organs.

    The guy may have been a hunter, but he still killed an innocent person. Martin Creaser was a hunter, but that didn't stop him from threatening Benny's great-grand daughter, or any of the crap Gordon Walker pulled.

    "Once he thinks about becoming a hunter his dad calls him from beyond the grave like an oracle able to read minds."

    Pretty sure most people (except you clearly) got that maybe the dad faked his death, and maybe has been keeping tabs on his son.

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  45. Dean never said they were slaves to their instinct, just that they have human drives. The shapshifter in season 1 was driven by its jealousy of normal people, the shifter in season 2 just wanted money, and the one in season 4 was really just lonely, and big 'ol box of crazy.


    From what we were shown David and Violet due seem to be trying to fight their natures, I mean David left to try and live life as a normal "human." But the other monsters seemed to have no concern over their nature, they looked like they've accepted it and found a way to survive. So I don't think it does go against anything that has been built up over the years.

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  46. Also there is the fact that vampires, though near extinction in season 1, were able to lay low enough that a hunter like John Winchester did think they were extinct. The idea of monsters evolving their methodology is nothing new, the crocotta in season 2 was able to adapt to modern times to feed.

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  47. So back when the Vampire Diaries only existed? I'd have to disagree.

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  48. As interesting as your points are, I really don't see them happening. Since this show obviously isn't going to try to be deep and some of those choices (i.e. Winchesters, Gods and Angels) would break the show, and violate the clear manipulation political backstabbing vibe the writers are going for. Also your list just seems like an excuse to point our The Originals flaws (which while there are a great deal, still doesn't warrant this comparison since they're obiviously very different at this point) and again given the craptacular work the Supernatural writers have given us lately so far, and I just don't see this show producing sympathetic, deep well-rounded characters (particularly given it's apparent sexism and the fact that this show's cast is cliche ridden and so far not well acted- besides David's character).

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  49. Martin Anders4 May 2014 at 16:48

    I was paraphrasing when I said "slaves to instinct". Having human drives and being taken over by those drives are two different things. I think that so far, the show has indicated shapeshifters are driven by those instincts.

    Neither David nor Violet seem to have much of a problem. David "left" the same way Sam "left" - he was trying to escape his family and their way of life, not his own nature. And I didn't see Violet struggling with the desire to eat human hearts. Where are you getting their struggle from?

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  50. Martin Anders4 May 2014 at 16:56

    Monsters evolving their strategies would be a good thing - if that evolution makes sense. In this episode, the families didn't show much interest in laying low - otherwise someone would've commented how risky the proposition of going to war is. Also, apparently, the villain of this episode believed his son to have died of an animal attack - that is almost exactly the kind of headline that would bring hunters down upon them. Their mess-management leaves a lot to be desired as well - they had a whole day after the massacre at the club - meaning the place should be a crime scene and there was evidence of monsterism all over the place - from body parts to a bag labeled Susan.



    If this is the best evolution they could come up with then these families should've been extinct a long time ago.

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  51. Martin Anders4 May 2014 at 17:00

    Dead bodies being there is one thing - but it is the nature of the death that often gets a hunter's attention. If the reports talk about victims being stabbed or mugged or beaten or shot etc. it is unlikely that a hunter would pay attention. If it mentions victims being clawed or mauled or eviscerated or exsanguinated - then a hunter would like to check things out.

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  52. Martin Anders4 May 2014 at 17:04

    Like I said - I'm laying out the potential available to the new show based on the simple fact that it is set in SPN universe. Based on the episode we've gotten, I don't expect the writers to live up to that potential either.

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  53. Martin Anders4 May 2014 at 17:21

    "The shapeshifter thing I have no idea about, most likely a network
    thing. One way to look at it is they are a different species, even in
    the season 1 episode they mention different countries have different
    types of shapeshifters in their lore."

    The problem with this change is that it takes away the undercurrent of realism present within the show.

    For most part - and especially in the first few season - Supernatural felt like anit-Harry Potter. Nobody was throwing out beams of energy while fighting. Nobody was flying around or switching from one form to another in a blink of an eye. When you watch Harry Potter, you feel like "Okay, so all this bending of reality is possible and is going on all over the place and yet, no-one believes in magical stuff". Supernatural made it seem realistic, as something that could possibly be happening within this world. This change in the manner of shapeshifting took that away from the show.



    "The guy may have been a hunter, but he still killed an innocent person.
    Martin Creaser was a hunter, but that didn't stop him from threatening
    Benny's great-grand daughter, or any of the crap Gordon Walker pulled."

    Except, he didn't kill the girl intentionally - that is a big difference. He didn't stab her, he threw her aside - that she'd die simply from hitting her head is not something he could expect. And he was contrite.

    "...and maybe has been keeping tabs on his son."


    Is he tracking his son through GPS? Does he have a psychic relaying all of his son's thoughts? How did he know that his son was planning on becoming a hunter before Ennis even started hunting?

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  54. Vasiliki Tsatsou4 May 2014 at 18:07

    This was my least favorite SPN epi ever, because it wasn't SPN . I don't think i will watch this crap when it airs . It had nothing interesting or remotely appealing .

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  55. Tessa Marlene4 May 2014 at 18:21

    All this was discussed in previous comments but since no reader is obliged to read the comments I will try my best to address your concerns.

    Vampires live in groupings called nests, and werewolves can be born and live in packs. With the exception of vamps, werewolves and skinwalkers, all monsters on the show are born, not turned. So there is no flaw to the idea of monster families, hell in season 6 the djinn that attacks Dean makes mention that the djinn Sam killed in season 2 was her/their father.

    I said in the review that I have no problem with nests and packs. My problem is with the idea of a nuclear family, which is a distinctly human thing. Vampires nest under one master commune style, werewolves, even if they are born, are raised by the pack. The whole mother/father/child establishment which in this episode was extended to cousins and aunts and uncles drags monsters farther from being beasts and more towards being humans.

    I said this in a comment, I have no objection with monsters and demons mimicking the idea of family, as when Meg first called Azazel father and then switched to Lucifer. But them raising actual babies and having Thanksgiving dinners and Birthday parties runs against the foundation of SPN.

    As for Djinns and Ghouls, here's dialogue straight from the show that proves they're into anything but living in large groups in big mansions:

    SAM: I should have known. It was the fresh kills that threw me. Ghouls don't usually go after the living. See, you're just filthy scavengers, feeding off the dead—taking the form of the last corpse you choke down

    'ADAM': Graveyard after graveyard, all that stinking flesh.

    ....

    DEAN (Clears throat) Yeah. So uh, where do the Djinns lair up?

    SAM: Ruins usually. Uh. Bigger the better – more places to hide.


    Why the old/dying shapeshifter didn't just change into a healthier body? Because I'm pretty shapeshifting doesn't involve the regeneration of failing internal organs.

    Without getting into the physiology of what shape shifting actually does to a body my question still remains: why not have the dying shapeshifter look young and healthy while his inner organs are failing? Why not sell the idea of shifter by having something weird that would distinguish this show from Days of Our Lives? Much like the appeal of having a kid be a parent to a middle-age looking vampire progeny, it would have been way more interesting to have a dying dad there who didn't look a day over 20.

    The guy may have been a hunter, but he still killed an innocent person.

    Which as percysowner pointed out should have prompted Ennis to arrest him for manslaughter, not shoot him in cold blood. There have been court cases for this sort of thing and people have gone to jail regardless of how justified they were in their revenge.

    Pretty sure most people (except you clearly) got that maybe the dad faked his death, and maybe has been keeping tabs on his son.

    No I got it. But I'm sure most people also realized the dad calling less than five minutes after his son announced his decision would mean he's either psychic or hiding inside the bushes nearby listening to every conversation his son makes.

    Because not everything is about world domination. They are human looking, but still monsters.


    I don't understand this. If you are saying they may not be interested in ruling the country or the world the script contradicts you. Margo looked pretty interested in taking over the city. It boggles my mind why she still hasn't, or why she'd need a war, when she could simply shift into the highest authority around and take office, which will also guarantee her kind's survival.

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  56. Tessa Marlene4 May 2014 at 18:24

    "Bitten" still holds the top spot as my least favorite SPN episode. I don't even consider this a SPN episode but a case of Jensen and Jared guest starring on another show. If the writing is this bad when it airs (if it airs) I won't be watching either.

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  57. Vasiliki Tsatsou4 May 2014 at 18:34

    You are so right bitten was awful . Season 5 will always be my favorite

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  58. jensenfan19784 May 2014 at 20:06

    I hated it. What a waste of Jensen and Jared's talents

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  59. Bitten is also at the bottom of my SPN list, with most of the Ghostfacers eps then the Krissy ones with Charlie down there low on the list. As a whole season 8 is my least favorite because of Sam NOT looking for Dean.

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  60. I didn't get a chance to watch this episode until Thursday night. I read how awful it was, so imagine my surprise when I didn't walk away hating it. I did not hate this episode. It was definitely better than Bitten and MBFWB, but it still left a lot to be desired when considering it's a Pilot to a new show.



    As you mentioned, this show simply does not fit in the Supernatural universe, so why tag the name Supernatural to it? I feel the Pilot may have been better rec'd if it were shopped as its own show. The idea that all these monsters are ruling Chicago and no hunters are aware of this is simply preposterous. What is stopping Sam and Dean from telling others about Chicago? Why wouldn't they come back and start eliminating the monsters? It doesn't make sense.



    And I've spent 9 years w/hunters as my main POV. I root for hunters in the Supernatural universe. I may be the only one, but I had no problem w/the villain or what he was doing. He was not a monster, IMO. He was doing what hunters do: kill monsters. The girlfriend was accidentally killed, but it was an accident. He didn't intend to hurt her. I don't think he deserved to be shot. In fact, Sam and Dean should have killed that girl that wolfed out on him. But the show wants to switch it up so the monsters have the POV. I take it we're supposed to be rooting for Ennis and the good monsters over the bad ones and the bad hunters? Okay. Whatever.



    I also had a huge problem w/the change in lore. Shifters shed their skin. We saw that an Alpha shifter didn't have to shed their skin, but all the others do. Again, if this Pilot hadn't been linked to Supernatural, they could have done whatever they wanted, but the show was linked to its parent show so the canon violations were a bit hard to ignore.



    Your third gripe sums up my gripe w/the overall show. Any Pilot should leave you wanting more. This one didn't do that for me. Unlike others, I had no problem with the acting. The actors were fine to me, but I can't say I cared to learn more about their lives or go on a journey w/them. LOST hooked me w/itsPilot as did Supernatural, TWD, True Blood, Dexter and many other shows. I left those shows wanting to know more and wanting the next episode. Here? Do I care which monster family wins the war? No. Do I care if a war is started? No. Do I care if Romeo and Juliet (forgot their names) reunite? No. Do I care if Ennis hunts or finds his dad? No, I don't. I left the episode not caring about any of the characters, and that's a huge problem.

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  61. Tessa Marlene4 May 2014 at 22:42

    I feel the Pilot may have been better rec'd if it were shopped as its own show.

    It was pure marketing strategy. They hoped by airing the backdoor pilot during the current season of Supernatural they'd get more exposure and more viewers once they make the show. It's just that some of the people making these decisions are unfamiliar with either the show, its viewership, or both.

    Why wouldn't they come back and start eliminating the monsters? It doesn't make sense.


    It's the fundamental flaw with the premise that I tried to point out in the review. Having monsters who aren't inherently evil makes hunting a tricky job. Even if Sam and Dean told other hunters about the monsters, how would they categorize them now that they aren't just a lair of hungry beasts? What would they say? "Hey, listen. Kill the shapeshifters but make sure you ask their names first because there's this guy David who's not so bad. Also if you go after the werewolves spare Violet. She's his ex-girlfriend." What would those hunters think of them if they suddenly started putting names and faces on the monsters they "ganked"?

    Again, if this Pilot hadn't been linked toSupernatural, they could have done whatever they wanted, but the show was linked to its parent show so the canon violations were a bit hard to ignore.

    And that's why most of my review centered on that instead of picking the actual episode apart because many problems wouldn't be problems in a different mythology. The biggest reason we're calling even the non-cheesy parts of this story bad is because they still make no sense within the SPN universe.

    Any Pilot should leave you wanting more. This one didn't do that for me.

    I wished I had added a section about why I thought the same. They just put too much in the pilot and overloaded us with information we didn't need to know at this stage: That there are five families, that they are on the cusp of war, that David loves Violet, that they were about to run away together and were stopped by David's brother, that Violet's brother is a douche, that David's sister is a power hungry queen wannabe, that their dad is dying, that Ennis' dad was in the military and was presumed dead, that he wanted to propose to his girlfriend and now she's dead.

    All of this without the actual plot of the episode which was the hunter trying to kill the good monsters because some of them killed his kid. God, my head hurts just thinking how much we were told, no wonder Sam and Dean barely had two lines.

    Great review and gifs BTW :-)



    Thanks, made me feel better about not going into more detail about the episode.

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  62. Martin Anders5 May 2014 at 00:03

    So what exactly caused you to "not hate this episode" - because all I see here are reasons for hating it.

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  63. All great points, Tessa!

    As I watched this episode, I felt like I was being overloaded w/information. As you said, there were a lot of families introduced w/a lot of conflict, but unfortunately, I couldn't bring myself to care about any of it. The conflict presented was very cliche as were the problems w/the characters. It wasn't very original.

    And the idea of these monster families ruling Chicago just seems silly to me. The dialogue didn't help: "Why are you talking to a Djinn?" "The Wolves can't be trusted." It really did feel like a Twilight movie, and I say that as a Twilight fan. Yes, I loved all 5 movies. Haha :-)

    It felt like they were just throwing out "monster" names as if that was supposed to mean something. Is there a reason these monsters don't get along? They were all at that club together socializing. And we weren't even introduced to the Djinn or Ghoul main family so what is their role in this conflict?

    I could buy the idea of demons controlling a city more than I can various monster families.

    Having monsters who aren't inherently evil makes hunting a tricky job.
    Even if Sam and Dean told other hunters about the monsters, how would they categorize them now that they aren't just a lair of hungry beasts? What would they say? "Hey, listen. Kill the shapeshifters but make sure you ask their names first because there's this guy David who's not so bad. Also if you go after the werewolves spare Violet. She's his ex-girlfriend." What would those hunters think of them if they suddenly
    started putting names and faces on the monsters they "ganked"?


    Exactly. That was a huge problem for me. In the Supernatural universe, hunters are the good guys. Sam and Dean rarely leave a monster alive even if the monster seems nice or only killed to protect its own like Jack, Amy, or that Phoenix (I think that was the name) creature in S6. Just like the hunter in this episode, most hunters would kill every creature in its path and keep it moving. That's the show we have watched for 9 years so who is the intended audience for this show? I, for one, was hoping the hunter would kill Violet (forgot her name) when she wolfed out on him. That guy was doing what Sam and Dean have done for years so I'm not sure how he ended up being the "bad guy."



    This show just doesn't work in the world of Supernatural.

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  64. So true! and this one wasn't any better too. So sick of the CW melodrama with monsters and crap we have that with TVD and The Orginals that its just getting sick of it.

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  65. Thing is David said that they try and keep deaths to a minimum, they have their hands in organ trafficking, blood banks, etc... Thing is we don't yet know enough about this world, or how hunters are dealt with. If it's some rogue random monster, do the families just decide to let the hunter do his work and take out a trouble maker? There are any number of scenario that weren't touched because of the nature of the episode.

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  66. The fact that they weren't sneering assholes?

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  67. When I hate an episode, that means I would never watch it again. If someone asked me to watch "Metafiction" or "Alexis Amanda Amy Aubrey" or "Bad Boys" again, I would refuse because I HATED those episodes. I never want to see them again.



    I did not hate this episode. My sister is a more occasional viewer (esp. the last three seasons) than me. I recorded this b/c I couldn't watch it live. If she wanted me to watch it w/her, I would. I actually would love to get her take on this episode, but she couldn't pay me to watch The Purge, that Ghostfacers episode, the Garth episode, the Charlie/Dorothy one, or any number of episodes from this season again. Those episodes were not entertaining to me on any level.



    I was not bored during "Bloodlines." I knew it was a standalone episode so I watched it with that in mind. It kept my attention, but as a Pilot, it failed to "grab" me. I think that is primarily due to it being based in the Supernatural universe. If it were based in a different universe and not connected with Supernatural, I would have far less issues with it.


    As always, I'm just giving MY opinion on why I think the Pilot fails.

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  68. One theory, he heard of Lassiter's death, learned he son was a witness and his girlfriend, and yeah decided to keep tabs on him through some means. And possibly seeing his/finding out he's going back to the hunter's lair prompts him to make a call.

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  69. I hated "Bitten," but "Bad Boys" gets my vote as least favorite SPN episode b/c of the way it un-did nine years of characterization for Dean and turned Sam into a bumbling moron!

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  70. I enjoyed all Ghostfacer episodes until this most recent one! Carver wasn't satisfied w/trashing Sam and Dean, he had to trash Ed and Harry as well. Nice!

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  71. lets just say the whole season really really sucks right now and damn I had high hope for it too turn around but I guess not and we have 3 Ep left of this and I do not see it getting better sad too say. Is anyone going too stay around for season 10?

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  72. Martin Anders5 May 2014 at 00:34

    What I'm asking is - Is there anything you LIKED about this episode that contributed to your not hating it. Because, try as I might, I cannot find anything likeable here.

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  73. The djinn and ghoul quotes prove nothing, since we have no idea how they live in this environment. The djinn have South Side, Chicago, which has plenty of industrial buildings/areas.

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  74. Lol, on that we agree.

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  75. I hear ya, Kerinda! This season has been awful. I doubt they can turn it around - for me - in the last three episodes.

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  76. Uh . . . the actors/actresses weren't awful, IMO. The look of the show wasn't bad to me either but that's about it.

    Though I didn't hate it, I didn't love it either. And I wouldn't watch it. I'm sure those who watch TVD and TO might enjoy. It's another sleek, pretty monster/supernatural show.

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  77. I just about missed your review, and actually thought you weren’t going to even try on this one. You
    covered it all, though. That was truly awful, with the actors leading the pack – Ennis in particular. Giving a character a borrowed backstory (or three) and having him say some lifted dialogue does not a character make (nor does it make a hunter). I'm really glad you mentioned the monsters and how they did not fit the premise of the show at all. And why would vampires be willing to work 'under' any of those other types?

    “Humanity’s only defense against these creatures are the rough and rugged hunters who have been seeking out and killing them for centuries.”

    God, I laughed at this, because angry high-schooler Ennis flashed through my mind again. Even with all his rage and all the Dean snark, the kid just didn’t cut it. I’m still confused as to whether he is
    supposed to be a vigilante or a hunter-in-training. The thing is, though, none of the characters
    were developed in any way, and there were so many introduced, that I couldn't keep track of who I was seeing.

    You alluded to the one thing that really stood out to me. From this script (and it should have only
    been a first draft), I think it’s pretty clear why SPN is getting such rotten scripts. All the problems in the SPN writers room were on full display in this Pilot. TPTB had better be thanking their lucky stars
    that they have the J2s to keep the dang show on the air, because they are the only saving grace there is these days.
    I was right there in the back seat of the impala with Dean when the show ended. I wanted to get as far away from it as possible. And don't you just love that Sam and Dean showed up to tell the kid "don't be a hunter" three times before they zoomed off as fast as possible? Even their appearance in the episode highlighted the tonal difference in the show, and it didn't put Bloodlines in a good light.

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  78. Oh, and just to add: Wasn't it a peculiar choice to make the monsters the victims and the humans the bad guys...IN...A...PILOT. If this thing is picked up, is that the premise they are going with?

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  79. Martin Anders5 May 2014 at 01:06

    "There are any number of scenario that weren't touched because of the nature of the episode."

    That is the problem - the scenarios that were touched upon are precisely the kinds of scenarios that would attract the attention of the hunters. And the scenarios that might explain how that attention is avoided are not touched upon.

    Its like in Garth's episode - a werewolf family that survives on animal hearts doesn't have a farm of its own? As we saw there, the littlest slip up can end up bringing hunters to your doorstep.

    The smart way of doing it was in "Bitten" - The werewolf professor explains that every time he slips up and does something that might get the attention of hunters, he prepares a patzi to take the fall.

    Given the apparent size of the monster population - going by the number in the club - the normals level of "having a hand in blood banks and organ trafficking" wouldn't suffice. And a large level operation of that sort wouldn't just get the attention of hunters but of every federal agency as well.

    I get that you are trying to give them benefit of the doubt. You want to believe that should the show be picked up, the writers would come up with a reasonable explanation as to how these families avoided detection for so long. You want to believe that there is an elaborate conspiracy to cover up their activities - that they've paid off so many cops that their every victim is reported to be a victim of random mugging - despite any physical evidence to the contrary. That any anomalous incidents - like the one in the club - are covered up swiftly and expertly with a false trail of evidence leading the authorities to another acceptable explanation. That this is the one thing all 5 families agree upon - the paramount importance of secrecy - and before they make any big decisions, they assess the risk of exposure. And since they do have all the cops in their pocket, they are aware of how hunters work - like coming in, pretending to be FBI - and have procedures in place to deal with such an eventuality.

    I'd like to see something like that as well - but this episode doesn't make it seem likely. Sam and Dean found out about the apparent monster attack pretty easily. They took over the case pretty easily. There was no evidence cleanup - with human body-parts left there in the open and labeled to boot. And clearly, they don't have everyone on their payroll, since the brothers found out about Julian having paid the mortician. And the families are a bit too eager to go to war.

    Hoping that there is a believable conspiracy to keep the secret is one thing - but here we not only have not seen any indication of one, but all the evidence indicates that there isn't one. There were a number of opportunities within this episode for them to hint at such a setup - and all of those were wasted pitifully.

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  80. Martin Anders5 May 2014 at 01:07

    Meaning?

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  81. Martin Anders5 May 2014 at 01:11

    @Ennis - Krissy was a more believable hunter than this guy - and when an angsty teenage girl appears to be a better hunter than your show's lead, then you know that you've done something wrong.

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  82. Martin Anders5 May 2014 at 01:14

    That seems to be the "in"-thing with a lot of supernatural and fantasy shows nowadays, especially CW - the poor "persecuted" non-human hero, fighting the good fight against bigoted humans and their outdated notions of "saving humanity".

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  83. My guess is that the dad is a hunter and the cop-on-the-take is his father's friend and keeps him informed. I think that is "the big secret" the cop had. (Sorry, I don't know the cop's name, but he is the older guy who interrogated Ennis in the beginning, who we found out was on the take from the evil sister, the one who David impersonated in Ennis' apartment...I know, it's complicated).

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  84. Martin Anders5 May 2014 at 01:17

    I hope you realize how weak this explanation sounds. But I applaud you dedication to giving the writers a chance.

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  85. Martin Anders5 May 2014 at 01:21

    That reminds me - didn't the interviews preceding the episode indicate that the older cop was supposed to die? Or play some bigger role, like being a mentor?

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  86. And don't forget the demon, Casey, in Sin City. I loved her. And there was Pamela, too.

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  87. Martin Anders5 May 2014 at 01:33

    Yup & yup.

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  88. As long as Jared and Jensen are willing to act out this stuff, I will be willing to watch.

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  89. That's pretty much how I feel.

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  90. Didn't say otherwise.
    How was The Originals "working" if it hadn't even aired yet when the bloodlines concept was decided ?

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  91. Tessa Marlene5 May 2014 at 05:49

    Which is the antithesis of Supernatural's premise, and this thing is supposed to be its spin-off.

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  92. Martin Anders5 May 2014 at 06:03

    Its funny you should say that, because recently, it feels like the premise of Supernatural has been shifting to accommodate this idea as well.


    Back in season 7, I was one of the rare ones to approve of Dean's decision to kill the Kitsune, because that was in line with his character as well as the show's theme.



    Since season 8, there have been many episodes - "Bitten", the whole Benny arc, the Witch with the dog, Garth's family etc. that seem to be geared towards shifting the show's premise.

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  93. Martin Anders5 May 2014 at 06:20

    "BTW over at Winchester Family Business they have an article asking for spinoff ideas instead of this one. Here http://www.thewinchesterfamily... some of the ideas are interesting, IMHO."

    Thanks for the link. I went ahead and posted one of my ideas.

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  94. I hate S8 too. I haven't seen Bitten, in fact I didn't watch the majority of S8. The only eps I watched completely were Cas' eps.
    And like you, it was bc Sam didn't look for Dean and then hadn't an once of regret afterward. Sam was not Sam, he was nasty and unpleasant and Dean seemed like a total idiot for keeping loyal to him!

    This season the only eps I didn't watch were the last 2 eps, it's a big improvement! LOL!

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  95. Ha, you really should watch Bitten just to see what bottom of the barrel looks like.

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  96. I hear that! and its too bad because it still a great show but its gone down hill sents to me season 7 and I still wonder how can CW still want to have it if the Fans are mad and its not getting any better. I think its the rating they was awesome in the beginning of the season untell they came back from the winter break and then its started to go way down so why is that? And we all know the writing is not that good anymore so. They really need to turn it around in season 10 if its there last but I am not going to get my hopes up that high anymore its just a let down the only thing that keeps me still watching is Jared and Jensen that's it.

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  97. I think it was good for me that I skipped this episode :P

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  98. Martin Anders7 May 2014 at 01:49

    Try watching it anyway. It'll make you appreciate the other episodes more. ;)

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  99. Martin Anders7 May 2014 at 01:59

    " From this script (and it should have only been a first draft), I think it’s pretty clear why SPN is getting such rotten scripts."


    Holy crap, how did I miss this gem? It explains so much about the canon violations of season 9. There were wolves-in-control in season 8, but atleast then a decent explanation was given as to why they were able to control the change. Whereas Garth and his family were taken for granted. Then there was the insta-switch shapeshifter in Blade Runners. And so many sympathetic monsters. And the concepts of having monster family business. The writers were ret-conning to specifically accommodate the spinoff.



    Thanks for pointing this out. Good thing is, now that the episode is out of the way, they don't need to do it anymore.

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  100. That bad, huh? Will it make me Season 7, Time For A Wedding appreciate more?

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