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USD POLL : Will the CW cancel Beauty and The Beast despite its vocal fanbase?
27 Apr 2014
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Yes, they will.
ReplyDeleteMost likely, seems like they have a lot of pilots they want to order to series as well which doesn't help BATB case. Just because the minority is loud on the internet it doesn't mean a lot in the long term.
ReplyDeleteHope so!
ReplyDeleteHopefully.
ReplyDeleteYes, because vocal fans don't make them money, which means they don't care.
ReplyDeleteor they will most likely renew for a 6 episode final season like nikita.
ReplyDeleteI agree. The CW doesn't really care about the fans of 'unsuccesfull' shows. Remember The Secret Circle? Fans begged the channel to renew it and they just cancelled it.
ReplyDeletei would want it to get a full order, but that is wishful thinking :)
ReplyDeleteit really depends on how many pilots the cw orders and whether HOD gets a full order or not - not sure if they definitely need the full 22 episodes for syndication. if they have 3 fall and 2 spring ones and HOD gets 22 episodes, then it will be cancelled or will get a 6 episode renewal like Nikita. if there are only 2 fall pilots then there is a chance for full renewal. i think it has better chances than starcrossed, the carrie diaries and TTP based on production costs, international sales and numbers of episodes. The 100 will definitely be renewed, but maybe only for 13 episodes.
Hopefully, will miss it if they do.
ReplyDeleteYep!Vocal fanbase doesn't equal successful show.
ReplyDeletewell the international fans have brought a lot of money to the cbs studios // so they surely do count // not to mention the votes from not just polls but pcas as well
ReplyDeleteThat's an obvious yes.
ReplyDeleteNo ratings, no acclaim, just a rabid fanbase.
And which CW show does not have one? Their teenage appeal brings passionate fans, but in the end, the audience is what matters.
PCA means NOTHING, since the vote can be rigged. Moonlight won for best new drama and CBS still cancelled it.
ReplyDeleteI had much rather they keep TTP, but don't think that will happen either.
ReplyDeletethe only thing i want to add to my previous comment is that websites like tvbythenumbers are never very accurate when it comes to cw renewals since with the cw ratings are just one of many factors. yes if a show pulls a 0.7 it will be renewed but for their lower rated shows they take into account a range of different factors, hence many of the prediction websites (who actually just base things purely on week by week ratings and nothing else) often fail to predict correctly. this specific website factors other things as well and they also have inside knowledge - they have only been wrong about the cw once in the past three years regarding the renewal of carrie diaries. they have made no other mistakes. this does not mean of course they are right this time, but i think it is very important when it comes to the cw to understand that they make their money in a range of ways
ReplyDeletehttp://www.tvwise.co.uk/2014/04/broadcast-tv-buzz-community-almost-human-the-menatlist-more/
since everyone here agrees that a fanbase is not a factor for renewal, then if the show does get renewed it is because it is making more money to the cw than the cancelled series and not because of the nielsen ratings
I've generally been thinking that they want iZombie to replace BATB. A supernatural/Sci-fi police procedural with (as far as we know) only minor romance. It's pretty much the inverse of BATB (which is low in procedural and high in romance).
ReplyDeleteYes, hells yes. Don't think I could take a third season of #VinCat4Eva.
ReplyDeletePlease do so.
ReplyDeleteNever accurate? They missed on Carrie Diaries last season, but everyone did. STV cancelation table probably predicted it too. 2012 was a bizarre year where CW finished the season with 4 bubble shows, they canceled Secret Circle, renewed Gossip Girl for a final season and renewed Nikita and HOD. Also, CW only renewed 3 shows earlier in both years, this year, they already have 5 guaranteed.
ReplyDeleteI know TCD had good numbers on hulu and among younger demos, BATB has the international sales to help it, but in the end, they threw it on fridays, if CW wants to put something there, they'll go with Hart of Dixie (full season or not) or even a new show (unlikely) like Reign or The 100.
Considering the entire lineup, the only ones BATB has an advantage are Star Crossed (lol at renewing a 13 episode show that scores 0.3) and maybe TCD because there are 44 episodes for BATB against 26.
It would be great for the fans, but I think it's a really a long shot. The ratings are outright misserable even for the CW (0.3s and even a 0.2 on a non Friday night) and it has no critical acclaim whatsoever. Its only fighting chance might be if it pulls off an online viewing save as The Carrie Diaries did last season, but I don't know those numbers so I can't really say it would save it.
ReplyDeleteYes, duh.
ReplyDeleteThey wouldn't have tossed the show into the summer shredder if they still had plans for a renewal.
The only possible chances this show has is a.) it's renewed for a mini season like Nikita or b.) it does well this summer and is renewed for a shortened summer season to see wether fictional summer programming actually is worth a shot for theCW.
Both of these chances are highly unlikely though.
I feel bad for the shows fans but remember: the original show with Ron Perlman and Linda Hamilton only made it up to season 3.
100% yes.
ReplyDeleteI would love to see renewed I love this show. Sorry the zombie apocalyptic stuff for the teenager 20 somethings doesnt cut it for me. I j u st think moving the schedule around and not marketing it to the correct audience didnt help. Theres not a show on cw that I will watch now. I guess I can pray some miracle will happen. The actors are great . Love to tbem all #BATB!
ReplyDeleteOr they will renew the show for spring summer for 6-13 ep
ReplyDeletewith tvbythenumbers, with the cw they get it wrong every year. they never get it totally right is what i said. and that is because they base their stuff purely on ratings and the cw is a different type of story. i also think that BATB has an advantage over TTP since it has been proven that they have done as bad as BATB on a monday, are more expensive to produce, have fewer episdoes and fewer international deals. having said that, i am not saying BATB will be renewed. if HOD and the 100 get both 22 episodes and there are three new fall shows there is no space for beauty but if HOD gets a reduced order and the 100 get 13 episodes as a midseason show i feel that BATB has a chance for a 13 episode renewal most likely.
ReplyDelete"And which CW show does not have this kind of fanbase"
ReplyDeleteHart of Dixie?
Please do!
ReplyDeleteThe only reason I have heard that they MIGHT renew it is because it is produced by CBS and all their other shows are from the WB. But that is a really weak reason to renew, especially since, as I understand it, CBS and the Warner Brothers share profits on all shows on the CW, regardless of who produces it. I think Supernatural is the one exception because it came over from the WB and was developed by Warner Brothers on their own. I suspect Warner Brothers has a warm place in their hearts for Supernatural.
ReplyDeleteBut I guess The Carrie Diaries could be cheaper than Beauty & The Beast, I guess.
ReplyDeleteOne can only hope...
ReplyDeleteI don't think they'll renew it, it doesn't seem cheap to produce and the ratings are bad even for a Monday. The "beasties" said they'd be there but almost half a million left btw season 1 finale and season 2. Those who think that they could give 6 episodes finale are wrong because Nikita got it for syndication purposes (67 episodes at the end of season 3), BaTB is two season away from syndication.
ReplyDeleteThey will renew Hart of Dixie and The 100. Then I think they'll cancel everything left. (my poor Carrie Diaries :'( )
The fans of Ringer did it too, it went on Times Square but didn't get renewed
ReplyDeleteHope BATB gets renewed for a summer season is fine by me, better than nothing. Everything is speculation right now, we won't know for sure until May before the UpFronts, so it's not over til it's over!
ReplyDeleteSince when do vocal fanbases decide if something gets canceled? It's all about the money not the loudest fandom.
ReplyDeleteThere are two reasons why a network will consider keeping a show on: (i) loads of viewers and (ii) critic appraisal. Beauty and the Beast is very far from qualifying in either one of those categories, so, yes, it will be canceled.
ReplyDeleteYep.
ReplyDeleteI can't believe yes is winning. I guess the BatB fans haven't post this on twitter yet. Personally they should cancel it. It's their lowest rated show and the ratings are going to get even worse next season. Also the fans were dumb enough to root against their lead in when a good lead in could have actually helped the show. I have never seen fans acting that stupid.
ReplyDeleteAlso I can't stand another year with the stupid hashtags.
Most likely they wll send BATB to the summer.
ReplyDeleteYeah, they will. I like the show, but it's too far gone. Getting moved to a summer run basically = burn off of the episodes left.
ReplyDeleteMy guess, probably. I would be surprised if this got renewed. I'm also thinking Bitten will be canceled, as well, unless Space saves it, it did terrible in the US ratings. I don't think fans get much of a say anymore. If a network doesn't make money off a show, they will cancel it, no matter how much fans beg them not to.
ReplyDeleteVery possible "yes" is winning because BatB fans have a button-pushing reflexes on "yes" and "BatB" words , they don't even read what the question is.
ReplyDeleteAnd yes, hash tags everywhere for another year - no can do.
I definitely hope so, if only to stop reading extremly stupid fandom comments. And the worst thing is that I do watch the show and if it wasn¿t for the fandmon I would have liked it to be renewed. Beasties ruined this one for me.
ReplyDeleteHart Of Dixie will get 22 episodes, to get the series to 88 episodes, which is the magic number for syndication. Final season most likely.
ReplyDeletefans don't matter to networks [it won a People's choice award for Pete's sake!!], they only know NUMBERS!! Nevermind that it's a quality show, that doesn't seem to matter
ReplyDeleteLeverage won a People's Choice Award a month AFTER it was cancelled. So, yeah it doesn't matter.
ReplyDeleteIt could also be that they can not vote but one time here, so can't pack the voting.
ReplyDeleteQuality:
ReplyDeleteof or having superior quality
producing or providing products or services of high quality or merit:
This was the only reason I thought BatB had a shot as well, but then they renewed Reign, the other CBS show on the CW. I figured it was between the two of them and CBS chose Reign.
ReplyDeletePulled from the schedule and summer burn-off says yes.
ReplyDeleteI still miss Mick and Beth *sigh*
ReplyDeleteI think they'll renew it for a short third season (13 episodes) just to please the fans, but... it'll either be placed on a tougher time slot (Fridays at 9pm) or save for a summer run.
ReplyDeleteAs I write this, I must note that I'm not a fan of this show, but realize that the CW is owned by both CBS and Warner Bros. and therefore needs to save some CBS produced shows such as BATB.
The majority of the already renewed shows belong to Warner Bros. (Supernatural, The Originals, Arrow, The Vampire Diaries) and only one from CBS (Reign).
I watch both & am very disappointed by the direction both shows took this year, I would much rather see both of them get the axe & keep order a full season of The 100 next season.
ReplyDeleteI was under the impression it was already canceled, because of its airing schedule.
ReplyDeleteThe CW UpFronts are on May 15, 2014 in the morning, by this time we will know for sure if Beauty and the Beast is cancelled or renewed. The last six episodes of season 2 airing starting June 2, 2014 have nothing to do with the cancellation or renewal of the show.
ReplyDeleteAnd even if they renew it, it would be for a limited final season. I mean, the writers know the possibilities, and by the way, the were writing episode 2.20 just a couple weeks ago, so...
ReplyDeleteThere is no practical and business sense in short final season. No one will benefit from it. It either will be renewed for full, may be summer, season which going to pull it closer to syndication, or cancel it.
ReplyDeleteThe last 6 eps airing in summer after upfronts has everything to do with cancelation/renewal. It is a timeout for writers to wrap series up. At least this is only explanation I can come up with.
ReplyDeleteEverything is just speculation right now, we won't know for sure as I stated above until around the time of the UpFronts.
ReplyDeleteExactly. I think The CW wanted to give the writers time so they could come up with a proper ending and maybe the backlash wouldn't be so bad.
ReplyDeleteHeck no they better not cancel BATB
ReplyDeletei'm still heartbroken over that:( i had hope for like two years Josef would get his own show lol
ReplyDeleteI know and he had great chemistry with Beth, even more than Mick did. When she went to him about killing the reporter, it was HOT. LOL
ReplyDeleteIs he in a show yet? He's much too talented not to be headlining his own show.
ReplyDeleteAnd the original series was to the power of a logarithm, so much better than this muck. That was a romance of love defeating deformity and a society created by George R.R. Martin (Game of Thrones). This is a pretty boy with a tiny scar, that they took away, with anger management issues.
ReplyDeleteIt matters to the fans who watch BATB since they voted really heard last year and this year. So they won Favorite New TV Drama and they won again this year as well.
ReplyDeleteI realy hope Hart of Dixie get 22 episodes.
ReplyDeleteRenew BATB please :)
ReplyDeleteIf they made it so people could only vote once the show would've never had won anything. The People's Choice Awards are rigged for fans that have nothing better to do then vote dozens of times without stopping.
ReplyDeleteWith the stock of new shows they have greenlit or in development, I dont see a future for this show, Carrie Diaries or Hart of Dixie.
ReplyDeleteSleeping Beauty was the best episode from the brief series.
ReplyDeleteYou do know BATB international numbers are still less than the most CW shows. beasties are using international vs US to make the show seem bigger than what it is, just like the multiple voting on most polls. bottom line if it was as great as what it was it would have been picked up when TO, Arrow, TVD and others were picked up. don't get miss lead by the false numbers.
ReplyDeletethey are putting a lot behind the flash series.
ReplyDeleteYup... the numbers just don't hold up.
ReplyDeleteAaand I also know from an inside source that things aren't looking good...
to high in romance, it blankets the main storyline and makes it hard to follow IMO.
ReplyDeletejust means to many beasties with to much free time.
ReplyDeleteJust because it matters to you does not give it a automatic renewal they go by the major numbers, also every one knows the TPCA are rigged or flawed so multiple voting can be done.
ReplyDeletelot of money it might seem but i bet its not close as much as the other shows. low us show = international money, bigger us show = a lot more international money, economics and marketing, they shop the top shows more.
ReplyDeleteIf they do cancel it, there is an upside and a downside.
ReplyDeleteDownside: we will miss the show (or at least what it used to be and what it could have been)
Upside: we will most likely see Jay Ryan get a new tv gig. I mean, who wouldn't want that?
Will the show make the network money? If not, what's the point for the network? (sadly)
ReplyDeleteThat's interesting, I didn't know about that!
ReplyDeleteI fear Yes but hope for NO
ReplyDeleteyeah but the sales do count , right ?
ReplyDeletethank you for explaining -- i'm only assuming 'cause i don't know how it works
ReplyDeleteI´m still hopping :) For me could be a summer show, CW don´t have nothing interesting to see in summer, so it will be a good bet i belive. So still hopping !
ReplyDeleteNo. Nikita had syndication deal in the play. BATB doesn't.
ReplyDeleterabid fanbase?
ReplyDeleteYou mean Star Crossed? That show sucks, the leads are not talented at all, the acting is horrible! And that girl is like a diluted version of Nina Dobrev.... we already have an amazing Nina Dobrev no need for a wannabe on the same freaking network. I personally don't see how the fans of Beauty and the beast could have ever liked that show... lol..... aliens...
ReplyDeleteBut Beauty and the bast will be cancelled... so will Star Crossed.
I think they'll give it another season or maybe just 13 episodes.
ReplyDeleteI never watched Star-Crossed because the promos looked terrible. But that doesn't matter. It was BatB lead in and the BatB fans decided to root against the show's lead in. They asked everyone on twitter not to watch SC. That's one of the most stupid things I have ever seen a fanbase do. If SC had done better BatB could have risen.
ReplyDeleteI think HoD has an older audience than most of the other shows. They are not online voting or involved in social media.
ReplyDeleteThere was absolutely no way it could have done better. That show is horrible, besides the plot, that girl can never hold an entire show together... the only shining star is Malese Jow the rest have no personality.... maybe if they had paired it with The Tomorrow People or Vampire Diaries... Just maybe. I have no idea how people with TV experience let such a show even air. This is actually disappointing especially since the CW creates genius like Supernatural and Arrow and The Vampire Diaries (in it's fresh days) then there's... Star Crossed.... Such a shame.
ReplyDeleteI watched season 1 just because it followed TVD for that year. Once it moved I lost interest. I think that was the power of the lead in.
ReplyDeleteI could say the same exact thing about BatB and their cast. I personally love the social aspects of Star Crossed. I'm sure it won't be renewed but I am not going to tell anyone to not watch BATB in hopes that SC would beat it. That is one of the reasons people are tired of the fanbase.
ReplyDeleteI really don't care about the fan base... I care about the talent and the writing. Star Crossed has neither and Beauty and the Beast only has a good cast. Either way not enough to hold a show.
ReplyDeletethen they will give them 6 episodes as a mercy flush. Chuck season 5 only gave the fans a sendoff they wanted and it was only a half-season.
ReplyDeleteI had 6 eps of SC on my hopper and this weekend decided to watch them, was very surprised at how much I liked it. Not crazy about the female lead as I do think she is trying to hard to be Nina, but the rest of the cast is very good. And I do like the can't we all just get along tone of the show.
ReplyDeleteI think CW doesn't care about fans or anything, but I hope that BatB will have season 3, because I love that show. #VinCat forever.
ReplyDeleteBlasphemy! Star Crossed is surprisingly a great show, well crafted and it's been getting great reviews. It was terribly promoted by the CW, they chose to promote it as their usual teen romance, when Star Crossed has a lot more to offer. I was decided to hate the show and now I find myself enjoying it while it lasts because it's really good, especially for a CW show. The political aspects of it are great to watch, for example. I'm calling BS on your comment, sorry, it sounds like you didn't even watch an episode.
ReplyDeleteOpinions differ. There actually is a lot of teen romance... 3 couples and counting. I don't know what else exactly it has to offer but... lol... Okay then... lol
ReplyDeleteThis web site is biased everything it post is against batb, how about you take BATB out your mouth already it's pathetic. I can't wait till it gets renewed so all the haters can choke on it.
ReplyDeleteI know one thing. Whether Batb is cancelled or renewed, in either scenario, the rest of the internet users will find a way to mock the beasties. Just when I thought people finally have something else to talk about, this poll comes up :)
ReplyDeleteReally, still hopping. My god, you're a Red Dwarf joke.
ReplyDeleteThe figures are very damning, that's for sure. Going by that alone, it will probably get cancelled. I guess I'm still hopeful as I know it was kind of a pet project for Mark Pedowitz, the president of the CW. What can I say? I'm in denial… If only Showcase here in Canada would pick it up, at least they advertise it to some degree, something the CW has never done.
ReplyDeleteYes, its funny that certain people always criticize the Beasties for voting and voting and voting and being active on twitter and winning polls, yet some of the people that post on sites seem to spend a lot of their time sending hate to the Beasties and expressing their nasty opinions. Why is really what I can't figure out.
ReplyDeleteLMAO @ "No" winning this poll. Apparently, rabid fans are still under the impression that voting for BatB en masse on every damn poll on the internet affects their show's survival chances. I can only imagine what these people are going to do when the show most likely gets cancelled. #Noooooooooooo!
ReplyDeleteI really don´t get your point and don´t get you people, don´t understand your problem with BATB, but it´s ok. I hope some day you be happy ....
ReplyDeleteif they renew, it means they are making money
ReplyDeleteenough to cover the cost of producing and filming the episodes? doesn't seem like competitors aren't exactly lining up to run advertisements during a BatB episode.
ReplyDeleteyou mean advertisers
ReplyDeleteyes i am not saying it will get renewed i am saying if it did it would not be for charitable purposes
Well, I think that the producers could consider the fans opinions, but also the writers need do a better work season 3 (if it happen).
ReplyDeleteWhy would they cancel a show that is doing so well?? Just don't understand the logic. Maybe I will stop watching new series and start watching sports instead. They always come back and thee is no worry of getting caught up in the games and having them cancelled..
ReplyDeleteAs for international sales: In Germany they put BATB on Friday night right from the beginning, and even moved it to the midnight slot during first season.
ReplyDeleteFriday, midnight, guess where targeted women between 18 to 34 are? Not at home watching TV but out partying and clubbing.
As for Germany BATB tanked it, sorry.