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USD POLL : Should Monroe and Charlie get together on Revolution?
9 Apr 2014
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Naaaa, Charlie is better off alone.
ReplyDeleteI'm a few episodes behind. Please tell me this isn't actually a thing? THE DUDE KILLED HER BROTHER!
ReplyDeleteUmm NO.
ReplyDeleteShe's slept with his son. He's killed her brother. Its too gross.
Sure they make a good team when they kick some ass, but that's it.
Jesus Christ, this is why I stopped watching this show.
ReplyDeleteCall me old fashioned, but she could be his daughter, so no.
It's the "mini Monroe" not the "manly Monroe", The age gap would be a tad creepy
ReplyDeleteOh haha. Good. The picture of Charlie and Manly Monroe threw me. I don't mind if it's Charlie and mini Monroe. I usually don't care who ends up with who, but I'd have had issues if she got with the older Monroe.
ReplyDeleteJUST NO! Besides Bunky Bunk and Sal said it perfectly!
ReplyDeleteYeah, people are shipping Bass and Charlie now. Said people are insane.
ReplyDeleteNO. Seriously, at what point can ANYONE even consider the two together? THE MAN IS RESPONSIBLE FOR HER BROTHER'S DEATH (and it was only a year or so ago)! If the two ever get together, I switch off that instant - I won't even finish the episode and I'll attempt to forget the show ever existed. This would not be character development, it would be stupid. PLEASE, do not do this Revolution.
ReplyDeleteIt would be so awkward and screwed up, but here for it.
ReplyDeleteI love how there's a serious discrepancy between the comments here and the actual numbers in the poll. My problem is - as much as I'd like Charlie and Monroe to hook up / get together because their chemistry in the second season has been amazing, I have zero faith in the writers' ability to deal with the issues that sort of relationship would bring along (her blaming him for her brother's death, the fact that she tried to kill him, Monroe seeing her as a sort of 'mini Miles', the Charlie/Connor hook-up... not to mention the fact that they're both deeply messed up people with trust and abandonment issues). If Charloe happened, I'd want it to be messy and fucked up and complicated and a hell of a journey - and the writers have neither the time to commit to that nor, sadly, the skills to make it work in a plausible way.
ReplyDeleteIf you want to destroy what Revolution is about..go ahead with this horrible Charloe thing. Revolution at it's heart is about redemption...there is no way, Monroe could be redeemed if he slept with his best friend's niece/daughter who also is his own son's lover. Needless to say, it will also destroy the bromance between Miles&Monroe..there is no way Miles would forgive Monroe for it (and yes he would blame him for it even if Charlie were the initiator).
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely, but their actually "getting together" is contingent on the relationship developing by giving them more actual screen time together. Yes, it's dark, twisted, wrong, and doused in crazy sauce. But that chemistry is just so wonderful and intense. As I always say, I just love seeing the two characters interact, even if it's just for them to fight.
ReplyDeleteikr it pisses me off how the creators and the writers of shows like castle, hawaii five 0 constantly focus on fan ships. Like who cares
ReplyDeleteAnd hence that is the reason why i quit such stupid shows that consistently offer no payoff to us viewers who would like to know more about the minor characters and instead focus on shipping
no no no no no no no no
ReplyDeleteDefinitely yes, they have the best chemistry on the show and would make one messed up and extremely interesting relationship (as opposed to the equally messed up but very boring Miles/Rachel relationship, for instance). But I do agree with what sproutwings said about the writers probably not possessing the skill to write it as it should be written, sadly. So yes I very much do want to see it happen and yet I'm somehow afraid if it does, the writers would not do it justice.
ReplyDeleteSeriously? Why is this even a thing? Damn shippers.
ReplyDeleteI vote No.
ReplyDeleteI think the character definitely have a great dynamic, but i think because of age factor and family situation and that they killed off Jason, this is what Conner is for (although I would like to see Adam again too) and then I think Duncan is alive too and I would like to see if that could work out for Monroe.
Ok. First of all Bass and Charlie NEVER slept together, let alone held hands. The beginning of the season plays to fall out of The Tower. Charlie leaves home (her Grandpa's house) and goes to New Vegas where she learns her mother is wanted by The Patriots. She gets caught by a Patriot Bounty Hunter and learns that Bass has been gambling, whoring, and fighting away his life and is also capture by the bounty hunter. After they help each other escape, Charlie realizes that "they" (her family) will need Monroe to help them fight against the new threat and brings him back to Miles and gang, They had good onscreen chemistry, which some fans took this as "romantic" chemistry and have been rooting for ever since (not me).
ReplyDeleteBut in addition to this they also introduced Bass's son Conner and killed off Jason! So I think the actual idea is for Conner to serve as "mini-Monroe" and be Charlie's main love interest. But it should be noted that Bass started off the second season with a lot of redemptive qualities (the writers spent a lot of time humanizing him), until he learned the truth about his son, whom with he wants to exact revenge on the Patriots for destroying Philly and he wants to recreate a second Monroe Republic with his son. But Charlie also hardened as a result of the tower and has been in a weird funk all season...
If it's really the age that bothers you then it's just dumb, it think it just feels forced trying to put her with monroe's son there's just not the same chemistry and it's just boring to see this in every series. A guy her age comes along and they finish together? How predictable and seen hundred times on tv ! Plus seriously, no one's barking about Belle and Rumple(once upon a time), NO ONE !!! And there is just no reason to!
ReplyDeleteI love this idea but like others said I don't know if the writers could pull it off. People said this is twisted but Rachel/Miles is just as twisted as this.
ReplyDeleteAlso Connor is NOT Monroe. He is very boring and has 0 chemistry with Charlie. I wasn't the biggest Jason/Charlie fan but at least they had chemistry and made sense.
Fans that want Charlie/Monroe won't settle for Charlie/Connor because the dynamics are nothing alike. I'd rather Charlie to stay single than to be with boring Connor.
It's not just the age, but think about this way If Charlie and Monroe would get married Conner would her step son, who's five yrs older than her, and whom she's already slept with. (Belle and Rumple don't have their whole family history intertwined. It's not like she was ever with Bae or something. She's a separate entity to the whole other family saga thing)
ReplyDeleteIt's not that I disagree that Conner is rather predictable, but there's still Adam to consider should he come back into the fold and I think both Conner and Charlie are in very similar situations, because they really don't necessarily know the truth about whom their family really is whether that be biological parents or whom they are emotionally/what they have done in the past. There relationship might be the thing that saves Miles' and Bass'...
For the record, if I was killed and my older sister started banging the guy who killed me, I would find it pretty unredeemable. If Charlie gets with Monroe, that's me done taking this show seriously. I don't care what circumstance it's under.
ReplyDeleteOr the fact that Conner could become Charlie's step son, who's five years older than Charlie...
ReplyDeleteYes, yes, yes!!!!!!!!! omg, yes.
ReplyDeleteYES!
ReplyDeleteThe age thing is stupid. The ship has many issues but the age difference shouldn't be a problem. Charlie is 22, not 12.
ReplyDeleteYES! They do have great chemistry and this couple can't be more strange than Miles' affair with hi brother's wife wno also happens to be responsible for deaths of millions of people. And age doesn't really matter, where are a lot of such couples in real life. I don't hear people blaming Johnny Depp or George Clooney for choosing young women :)
ReplyDeleteI think the fact that charlie slept with Connor isn't a big problem as
ReplyDeleteit didn't mean anything, they didn't even show it to us because it was
really not emotional. Plus, Rachel and Miles are together when they both
know she was with his brother ?!
As for Connor and Charlie, I think
Charlie actually has a more lot in common with Monroe, their character
evolution and what they've been through is quite the same: getting shattered and becoming who they are, even though Charlie hasn't reached the same
level as Monroe.
Moreover, some writers and producers assure us it
was on Monroe's mind, I don't remember what tweet it was and
seriously,their whole world is fucked up, excuse my french, I don't
think they would do the same choices we normally would take. It's a
world of grey, idem for the characters, that is what makes revolution so
interesting.
As for what everyone thinks about Monroe, Charlie has
killed children of others when doing that raid to the village, yet, none
of us consider her a monster.
Wasn't Danny killed by a random helicopter pilot who died approximately five seconds later when the helicopter went down? Yeah, I agree, Charlie should definitely hook up with that guy....
ReplyDeleteIn all seriousness, there are a lot of things Monroe is to blame for, and a lot of deaths he's responsible for (including Charlie's father's!), but he didn't kill Danny.
A lot of people seem to think we want a twilight stephenie meyer like relationship,you're all wrong. I don't think even feel like I'm shipping them because to me it was obvious and since the thing became big and ship, it is a"thing" now. They're just so interesting together by the way they are ... what I'm trying to say is it's not a kid show! You can see the writers are anyway introducing us by the way their relationship dynamic change, by saying" of all the men you could have (or something) you chose a Monroe" or " you pluck them off early" all those things are meant to make the audience realise that Charlie is a woman, Monroe is a man, and it's there. As twisted as it is.
ReplyDeleteCharlie actually has a more lot in common with Monroe, their character
ReplyDeleteevolution and what they've been through is quite the same: getting shattered and becoming who they are,
Every character in Revolution is a broken character, but the younger generation is not as broken as the older generation, because they didn't make this reality as messed up as it is....Additionally charlie beginning to kill (even others her own age) still pales in comparison to what Miles, Bass, and Tom have done...Plus she's the character that was originally pitched as "the hope that lights the way"....
Monroe is set apart from everyone, except perhaps Rachel (emotionally) and The majority of The Patriots, because as it turns out, as of this moment, he has no deep emotions, he has been proven to be much more of true sociopath, because he can't let go of control and legacy. Nothing has really made him think that Monroe republic was always a bad idea --And is is why Charlie is warning Conner about him, because she's waking up to the fact that she doesn't want to be like him.
Yes. But for a relationship like this to work it would need a season or two to build up to it, and, let's be honest, Revolution probably won't even be renewed for a third season. I know some people here are arguing about how it would be gross because Charlie would be Conner's step-mom or whatever, but you have to remember, the world is a very different place in Revolution. I don't think traditional marital relationships exist anymore in their world, and so it would not be out of place for an older man like Monroe to have lovers that are his son's age. Basically, I really like this pairing but I doubt it'll be canon.
ReplyDeleteHe didn't directly kill Danny, but he did have his men hunt them down with the intent to kill them all. So he still is somewhat responsible for it. The only thing that changed his mind from stopping the sharade with fighting Miles was all of stuff happening with Randell, the Tower people, Tom, and the Tower....
ReplyDeleteYes. The ratings this ship would pull in could ensure a renewal for a season 3. Not to mention they have chemistry like no other, I would love to see it happen.
ReplyDeleteI understand why Rachel and Charlie blame Monroe for Charlie's death, emotionally speaking, but I think from an objective point of view, Monroe's responsibility there is murky, to say the least.
ReplyDeleteIt wasn't like Monroe put out a hit on him and his men went to track him down and slaughtered him. (Ironically, this is more or less what happened to Ben, but for some reason no one bothers to acknowledge that on the show.) They were fighting a war against Monroe and Danny was effectively a soldier, who died while shooting at other people.
"Danny was effectively a soldier"
ReplyDeleteReally? Because he was asthmatic and all I did is see Tom beat the crap out of him (except for a couple of good punches). Danny took a stand, but Danny was not a soldier. I;m not saying the Monroe militia necessarily knew that, but they should have, but Bass probably didn't care enough to say to don't kill the kids. And weren't there explicit orders to kill them simply because they were now labeled "rebels"?
But Monroe did try to meet Rachel half way about this at the tower. So he should get some credit for that. And I think it's clear that Charlie sort of was able to accept Danny's death too, or at least just hardened to a point where she could more easily put it aside, but I could see that changing depending on how Jason's death may cause those buried feelings to resurface (although in that case she has some responsibility there too, because she treated him pretty badly, when it was easy to see that Jason was trying to do right by his own family).
I am not concerned with the age difference...what kills this Charloe thing for me is that Charlie slept with Monroe's son. This alone should make her off limits for the father. Not to mention that she is the niece or daughter of his best friend.
ReplyDeleteNo. Their chemistry makes them fun to watch but for them to be romantically involved isn't something I wanna see.
ReplyDeleteNobody wants a twilight relationship people need to understand that. People just enjoy their relationship because they have great chemistry and their dynamic is very interesting. Even if nothing romantic ever happens I think some people will be happy as long as they keep getting scenes.
ReplyDeleteBut Charlie/Connor is just boring and it's never going to replace the Monroe/Charlie dynamic.
The family tree in OUAT (a family tv show) it's even more complicated and people still ship couples like Hook/Emma.
ReplyDeleteI don't think Charlie thinks about it since it is the world she grew up in, she doesn't consider it as messed up as the adults think it is/she only has her life with his father and danny to compare, and even though it was quite quiet, it's not the life we on our computers have. And I know Charlie is far from being at the same level as Monroe, but what do you think Jason's death is going to unchain. Even if it's not for the same purposes as Monroe, I think her mind state should plunge. If not (I mean really change her) it's because they think they won't be able to continue the series and want to close it up.
ReplyDeleteAs for Monroe's psychopath state, I liked that at the beginning of season 2 we've seen a lot more of "human" monroe, not meaning in the way of kindness but stereotypical psychopath was kinda put aside though recognised useful to win the war. I think Monroe became complex from that moment because of course he's not going to come back to the way he was, it's ridiculous and naive. The man he was and what he is now are totally different persons now. Notice I've put WHAT because we and he doesn't really know himself who he is. Yes he was a dictator,yes he is a military man, a father(rather trying to be one but seems more obsessed with power) but who he is? We don't know it ourselves, and I think that is were Monroe is so much interesting. That is why I think it would be a shame if writers went back to put him as the "vilain", bad one, it's just too easy and the dynamics wouldn't be interesting as we've already seen it. Also, the human monroe was showing remorse, even when there was no need for manipulation saying sorry to Rachel when thinking he was going to die. I'd like to think that Monroe is savable,actually I strongly think he is. I think him wanting the republic back is more of a symbol than actually wanting power. He realises in a way he has nothing to offer to his son but his Republic, not knowing how to deal with him other than this way.
Now, about Charlie finding another guy her age. I know they are very mixed up in family affairs but as said before, their relationship would be one messed up and extremely interesting relationship and would be hell of a journey to get pass their profound problems but it's not to be made in one day! And I think not any of them would cope with one day playing the happy couple with someone who doesn't understand anything they've been through of their past life. It maybe would work at the beginning but not for long. They are at the heart of the history of the blackout. Of course they'll aim to be happy,avoid it but they can't ignore that part of their life because they changed with it, grown with it, and even fought for a better world during it, never giving up even if the chances are low. I think they'll be able to understand each other, and you can see Monroe has this massive respect for charlie, even bigger than for Rachel and Miles in way. Of course there is this heavy past, but as we said it , it's not snow white and prince charming, and their issues will be a long journey and a quite profound human thing to get through.
I don't think Charlie thinks about it since it is the world she grew
ReplyDeleteup in, she doesn't consider it as messed up as the adults think it
is/she only has her life with his father and danny to compare, and even
though it was quite quiet, it's not the life we on our computers have.
And I know Charlie is far from being at the same level as Monroe, but
what do you think Jason's death is going to unchain. Even if it's not
for the same purposes as Monroe, I think her mind state should plunge.
If not (I mean really change her) it's because they think they won't be
able to continue the series and want to close it up.
As for Monroe's
psychopath state, I liked that at the beginning of season 2 we've seen a
lot more of "human" monroe, not meaning in the way of kindness but
stereotypical psychopath was kinda put aside though recognised useful to
win the war. I think Monroe became complex from that moment because of
course he's not going to come back to the way he was, it's ridiculous
and naive. The man he was and what he is now are totally different
persons now. Notice I've put WHAT because we and he doesn't really know
himself who he is. Yes he was a dictator,yes he is a military man, a
father(rather trying to be one but seems more obsessed with power) but
who he is? We don't know it ourselves, and I think that is were Monroe
is so much interesting. That is why I think it would be a shame if
writers went back to put him as the "vilain", bad one, it's just too
easy and the dynamics wouldn't be interesting as we've already seen it.
Also, the human monroe was showing remorse, even when there was no need
for manipulation saying sorry to Rachel when thinking he was going to
die. I'd like to think that Monroe is savable,actually I strongly think
he is. I think him wanting the republic back is more of a symbol than
actually wanting power. He realises in a way he has nothing to offer to
his son but his Republic, not knowing how to deal with him other than
this way.
Now, about Charlie finding another guy her age. I know
they are very mixed up in family affairs but as said before, their
relationship would be one messed up and extremely interesting
relationship and would be hell of a journey to get pass their profound
problems but it's not to be made in one day! And I think not any of them
would cope with one day playing the happy couple with someone who
doesn't understand anything they've been through of their past life. It
maybe would work at the beginning but not for long. They are at the
heart of the history of the blackout. Of course they'll aim to be
happy,avoid it but they can't ignore that part of their life because
they changed with it, grown with it, and even fought for a better world
during it, never giving up even if the chances are low. I think they'll
be able to understand each other, and you can see Monroe has this
massive respect for charlie, even bigger than for Rachel and Miles in
way. Of course there is this heavy past, but as we said it , it's not
snow white and prince charming, and their issues will be a long journey
and a quite profound human thing to get through.
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Hell yes, they should!! They both need some love & comfort....or just good sex.
ReplyDelete"And I know Charlie is far from being at the same level as Monroe, but what do you think Jason's death is going to unchain."
ReplyDeleteCharlie is not the same person she was at the beginning of the series, thus she is now realizing how screwed up the reality is, as she stepped out of her humble community and started to learn all kinds of things she didn't know, such as that her mother was alive and the brutality of war and politics.
By the time we get to the Tower Charlie has lost Danny and Nora (whom I think Charlie identified more with than her mother). The the missiles hit and they all failed. Charlie leaves home at the beginning of the season because she doesn't want to live her life the way she had and she's angry with her mom (whom became also more broken)...she became more like Monroe, -living in the moment, rather than caring or preparing for the future. She takes many unnecessary risks, something she did not do before ---But finally in these last few episodes she is beginning to realize, as Rachel points it out, that she can't keep living this way not caring about the future, which she herself turns around and preaches to Conner about following Monroe...and now Jason, whom she treated a little unfair until the middle of the last episode, her first love, died by her own hands...
So what do I think it will unchain? All of the emotions she's been burying about her brother and her mother and a realization that she can't live like Bass--without standards, because then she's taking everything she has for granted.
Hokay.
ReplyDelete1) If the age difference between Papa Gene and his bit of stuff Marion didn't bother you, then the age difference between Charlie and Monroe shouldn't bother you because it's the same - 25 years (at least going by the difference between Stephen Collins and Reiko Aylesworth). Charlie may be young, but she's still well over the age of consent.
2) If Miles banging Rachel while she was married to his brother (and don't give me that crap about 20 years of foreplay, she said they had an ugly affair, that means sex) didn't bother you or fill you with revulsion, then neither should the thought of Monroe banging Charlie just because she slept with his son *once* or because she's the niece of his best friend. Connor and Charlie aren't dating, they're not in love, most of the time she doesn't even see to like him much. Why should the fact that they slept together ONCE preclude her from having a relationship with his father FOREVER?? No one said she should jump in the sack with Monroe 5 minutes after doing Connor.
3) The one actual hurdle they have to overcome is his involvement in the deaths of Ben and Danny, but
4) Danny chose to threaten Neville's men with the bow. Danny chose to stand up and shoot at the helicopter without being behind cover. And Ben chose to put himself in front of Danny to save him.
5) Monroe wasn't even there either time
6) Neville WAS there (so hell yeah she should avoid sleeping with Tom for certain and it's amazing how people don't have a problem with Charlie banging the son of the man who is ACTUALLY responsible for killing her family), (this works for Connor too I suppose - it's ok to do Connor but not Bass??)
7) Neville is the one who failed to maintain control over his troops, and
8) Neville is the one who called in the strike on the rebels, and that is specifically after he saw Charlie because Charlie's hold over his son pissed him off.
As for Bass/Charlie being too GOT for NBC, at this point, maybe the added drama would up the ratings - the GOT premiere had 6.6 million viewers. I'm not saying I want to see Monroe and Charlie jump in bed immediately, and I'm not saying Monroe is blameless, but I DO want to see development of the chemistry between them that you'd have to be blind not to see.
They make a great match, but the age gap is just too much. She's better off with Connor, who is more or less around the same age as her
ReplyDeleteIf any kind of relationship is going to happen in this show, it will most likely be Miloe(Miles/Monroe) not in a homoerotic way, but in a brotherly way. I get the feeling that that is what they are building to. Hopefully
ReplyDeleteHell YEAH!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteOkay now some of you should be slapped. Yeah Monroe was the leader of the militia just as Hitler was with the Nazi's. But did Hitler personally kill everyone during that time with his bare hands??? Hitler would have to had been at many places at one time. Monroe did NOT KILL DANNY!!! Good god did some of you even watch Season 1. In fact Monroe was in Philadelphia at the time, and ever left except for when he went to the Tower. So how could he have killed Danny with his bare hands when Danny and company where in the Georgia Republic?????? Why are none of you talking about how Tom beat Danny to a pulp??
None of you wasn't saying anything about Miles and Nora. And don't give that bull**** reason that Nora was an adult. Fact: Nora was a little girl while Miles and Monroe were forming the militia , but yet her and Miles slept together. And let's not forget about Dr. Gene and his lady friend who looked to be about Rachel's age. Conner and Charlie have 0 chemistry. In fact so far all Charlie has done is call Conner names and put him down...Wow nice relationship. Charlie and Jason were so boring.
As for my precious Charloe: Charlie is going to need someone who has been there. She's heading to a dark place. The only who knows is...Monroe. Miles will be too busy being brainwashed by Rachel. Conner wouldn't know what to say. Aaron is all up Priscilla butt, and too involved with the nano tech.
Did YOU watch season 1 at all???? Yes, you are right..... Danny was not killed by Monroe personally. That is mostly why I cannot stand Rachel is because she keeps on saying "You killed my son, you killed my son" But Nora was not a little girl when Miles and Monroe were forming the Republic, in the episode with her sister Mia, it shows that she is clearly a teenager the year of the blackout. Lastly, when does Charlie call Connor names, or put him down? Did I miss that episode? She does sleep with him, she finds out that he had lied to her about "being like Monroe" and then makes fun of hi for wanting to bring back the Republic, and then proceeds to say "well if there is anyone I trust less them him its you" but I on't think she ever called him any names
ReplyDeleteI always thought charlie was going to bring back bass, not for romantic reasons but out of respect and particular relationship, of course she would not be the only factor but would contribute greatly to it ; having been on this dangerous path(charlie), I don't know in which way. I'd like to think by her being opposed to him. And I told you it was not going to be made in a day, yes he's a lost cause AT THE MOMENT, but like any other character they evolve. It would be really stupid from the writers to let him in that state, at the end he'd become quite stereotypical, that's what I felt like during season 1 until towards the end with the tower where more of himself and his feeling were shown.
ReplyDeleteWhat i'm trying to say is they may be from different generation, but it's not like everything comes back to that,I actually don't even think about them like that! THEY themselves share history, it's not a contest of who's more damaged, they got through same things. They can understand each other.
Does it mean that any relationship in this world that has people who didn't have the exact same experience or have age differencies are impossible? Far from that !
And I know Monroe was there at the blackout but he's far from being as involved as Rachel! In fact he didn't contribute to it, he was just Miles's best friend.It's more about 2 individuals, humans than a man who is older than her and has come across more of what she's already known ?!
They both evolved tragically after it.
For god's sake I can't believe i'm still debating, you are obviously not going to change your mind and neither am I. You are going to answer, and then my obsession to have the last word will bring me to spend days on this website!
To put it more simply, let's just see how it goes and what is going to happen(if it ever continues). Thanks though, it is actually fun debating on this.
* but if we continue, I don't mind hahaha ;)!
No, he didn't. Or we should consider Charlie and Miles guilty of all the militia soldiers murders which were commited by other people who fought for the rebels. And Danny was responsible for his father murder as well as Rachel is responsible for the deaths of millions of people caused by the blackout.
ReplyDeleteHa! It's all good we can leave it here! :)
ReplyDeleteI agree Hitler is a better argument comparison for the Patriots! I think Napoleon is probably also better for Monroe, although it would have been nice if the writers would have kept up the more artsy side of Monroe we saw in the Pilot (his tent was adorned with artifacts/art + interiors in Philly seemed upscale), as Napoleon was trying to make Paris the greatest city in the world by steeling everyone else's art...But also Monroe is a juxtaposition to the 5th President and General of the Revolutionary War! He actually had an idealism that he referred to as a 'Monroe Republic' (but obviously not like Sebastians)
ReplyDeleteI answered yes. Not only do they have a TON of on-screen chemistry that shouldn't be wasted, but I'm also interested in keeping the show around. We're losing viewers EVERY week people. You know what might bring some around? An onscreen romance that is generating this much talk. People will be curious to see how it plays out. Maybe they'll stick around and help bring up ratings.
ReplyDeleteOkay, so she didn't call him a scrawny little nobody...Okay!!! And Nora was clearly a little girl...She looked about 12-14 age range at the time...But still Miles was a man putting together the Monroe Republic. 12-14 range is still a little girl. Sorry..Until you reach the age of 18 you are still considered a little girl to me.
ReplyDeleteYeah after I typed it I thought to myself....Monroe is nothing like Hitler. Monroe does seem to have a heart and conscience. Thanks for pointing that out!! :)
ReplyDeleteEven people who are against Charloe, came here just to give their thoughts. So it is definitely an attention getting, whether you are for it or against it.
ReplyDeleteI am having a huge problem with the Miles/Rachel love story because she is his sister in law and because of the history between them when she was his prisoner. Rachel makes no sense in blaming Monroe for everything but not blaming Miles for anything.
ReplyDeleteIt is an unwritten law you don't sleep with brothers, but personally I think it is worse to sleep with the father AND the son..this is my main reason for being against this potential love story. This is my main reason to be against this potential relationship. Just because her uncle/father had/has an affair with her mother does not make it right for her to have an affair with the father of her last lover who may even be her current one (as it was indicated by Gene).
My second reason is that this would destroy the bromance between Miles and Monroe because I don't think Miles would get over it...and for me the main story of Revolution is the development of these two character and their friendship
I do agree the age difference is no problem especially since he didn't see her grow up...not even sure he saw her as a child. She remembers seeing Miles once, didn't mention Monroe was there.
Did Charlie actually sleep with Jason?...we have only see them kiss when he was in the hospital injured. I don't think they went this far.
Voted Yes. Chemistry between the two is much better than she and Connor. I think there is a reason the writers haven't showed any actual kissing or anything more than what was implied in New Vegas between Connor and Charlie, so if they decided to go the route of Monroe and Charlie it would be easier. If the writers do it carefully and with purpose it would be great. It's a blackout world on the show, so age should t matter, they are both consenting adults. I know it upsets people of how Monroe was involved with death of her family, however it think that is what makes it interesting to see how they would get to that point. It would be great for ratings(which we all know is needed), it would be great to see how they finally get together, and it would be great to see how Miles, Rachel, and Gene react to it. It's tv guys, it's ok to do something different, simply because it's fiction! I also noticed others stating they would stop watching, or that it doesn't make sense or it's a sci-if show and talking about the relationships is dumb. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but my thoughts on those comments is if you stop watching, then you must really not be a fan, there will be different parts of every show that people may not agree with, but the writers have to change it up or it will be boring. I also have watched since episode 1, a great show has a little of everything in order to keep everyone happy, intrigue, drama, laughter, action, and love. I thin it makes perfect sense for the plot. Monroe constantly wants to be near the Mathesons, he wants family, he needs that around him to not go off the rails(too much) and Charlie needs someone who isn't going to bolt on her which Bass has already shown he won't.
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ReplyDeleteActually if the wiki is correct Nora was supposed to be around 20 when the blackout happened .
ReplyDeleteAn unwritten law about not sleeping with your brother's wife?? In the Old Testament maybe. And I don't get at all why sleeping with your sons former lover (to whom he was not married) would be worse than sleeping with your brother's WIFE. The person he actually married, made a commitment to, said vows to. I don't buy that Charlie and Connor slept together more than once - like Monroe said, when would they have had the chance? I don't trust Gene's magic radar. Again, no one said Charlie should do Monroe 5 minutes after doing Connor. I just don't see Charlie any emotion between Connor and Charlie. At All. I think it's a little silly for Monroe to be bound by an unwritten Thou Shalt Not Ever Have Sex With Anyone Thy Son Has Ever Had Sex With Even If The Relationship Is Over And He Wasn't Married To Her And It May Have Only Been Once. I think there is an expiration date on the cooties from such an event.
ReplyDeleteNo as far as I know Charlie never slept with Jason but my point was people never complained about her romance with the son of the man who was more directly responsible for her family members' deaths than Monroe.
Honestly the Rachel and Miles relationship bugs me more than Charlie and Monroe. He tortured a woman he was supposed to live. Threatened to hit her (maybe this was all done b4 they went the shippy route with them). And now it's like POOF that never happened. Miles was every but as bad as Monroe but he gets a free pass? No.
As for destroying the Miloe bromance - I dunno. Charlie could be the thing that helps miles see that Monroe is still human. Otherwise miles has done a great job of destroying the bromance himself.
When the Blackout happened Nora was a little girl. The showed it in flashbacks. She was like 11.
ReplyDelete"Yes he was a dictator,yes he is a military man, a father(rather trying to be one but seems more obsessed with power) but
ReplyDeletewho he is? We don't know it ourselves"
I will meet you half way and say we don't know "who" Monroe is going to be (like everyone else for that matter), but I disagree that we do not know mostly whom he has been.
The one thing I think is missing from the past is Monroe's childhood experience. We briefly see Miles and Bass play as children, but what we do not understand if there is an additional reason that Bass was military-focused and/or why he clings to Miles "SO" much. One idea that crossed my mind was that perhaps his parents (or a parent) abused him, -that could a test for "wanting everything Miles" has attitude. Another possibility is that he always had a born soiciopathic tendencies, where he clung to Miles and wanted what Miles had, because he thought (because he can't feel much) he didn't have it....
Then there is also the question of why Miles was out playing with Bass an not Ben One obvious answer is that Ben wasn't ever outdoorsy (It might be why Miles inherits the family military knife)
Obviously later we see how Bass looses it when his family is killed, but even in this instance he comes of irrational. Then he seems ok (except for the night of the black out--which could just be writers changed their mind with Bass' role in that), until we get to Jeremy (wants to leave him behind) followed by Shelly and the Baby lost...
Then comes the Trenton Campaign followed by the Monroe republic that killed woman and children, took children hostage and tried to "reprogram them" with experimental programs. (Basically The Patriots on a smaller scale) He took Rachel hostage (which may be an agreement), staged her death (possibly to upset and continue to control Miles), let Tom get away with Ben's death, kidnapped Danny, allowed Tom to abuse Danny, (but eventually threatened to send Jason to the California Common Wealth where Jason most likley would have been killed, but again didn't just directly punish Tom),and is semi-responsible for killing Danny...
Simply put, he's not a good person, even though he can be quite likable at times. And that's the problem with him. He needs someone on his own level (Like Duncan) to straighten him out.
"As for destroying the Miloe bromance - I dunno. Charlie could be the thing that helps miles see that Monroe is still human."
ReplyDeleteExcept that he's not so much (at least not at the moment).The writers basically showed us that Monroe is good at pretending/emulating to be human/having emotions when either he's down and out or when HE needs something, but the fact remains that his need to punish the Patriots, because of what they did to "his" town (as if he didn't divide and conquer it from others and as if that's the only reason one should fight against the Patriots) and wants to rebuild his Republic shows that he has learned nothing and/or has been made to feel nothing other than what he did before.
IMO the reason they introduced Duncan was to point out that he needs to deal with someone more ruthless and on his own level than Charlie. I also think they introduced Conner so that he through his relationship with Charlie can be something that "maybe" saves his soul/actually changes him.
"It is an unwritten law you don't sleep with brothers, but personally I think it is worse to sleep with the father AND the son."
ReplyDeleteI agree with you there on the second part and especially again because it seems likely that she is Miles daughter and it all just seems too messy at this point (and totally flipant, conniving, & tasteless on her part--something that I think would really defy her character) to basically climb up the Monroe ladder like that.
I'm ok with the Miles and Ben and Rachel thing...It's not like Ben never moved on and didn't find someone else. sure it's sad for Ben, but I also find Ben "so" stuck in his work (and really careless about who he works for), that I can see how that Marriage probably wouldn't have lasted if it wouldn't have been for the kids/Danny anyways. -But I still think it would be nice if more of Rachel's past was shown to better explain all of these things, because she's not quite solid enough.
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ReplyDeleteYES !!! Great for the story line just because their chemistry is great
together and you wouldn't expect it even though hate could turn into
love. And what would it do for the relationship between father and son
Great new storylines especially what
they both been through (saving each others lives) as well as charlie
finds a best friend in someone she didn't expected at all as she see the
good side of Monroe (someone has to ) Enough for a complete new 3rd season .... :)
According to the Monroe Republic Watch list, she was born in 1992. The info is on a list of supplementary documents released by NBC. I always thought the younger girl was Mia, not Nora.
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http://en.revolution-wiki.com/wiki/Monroe_Republic_Watch_List
I disagree about Monroe emulating human emotions. He has them. He's just been so damaged by the loss of people he loves (his family, his wife and unborn child, Miles's betrayal) that he refuses to let himself be hurt that way ever again - and the Republic is what gives him the power to make sure he can't be, as well as a way to ensure the safety and security of the one family member he has left - Connor. I think he's made it obvious he loves Connor, otherwise he wouldn't have been willing to sacrifice his life for him in the ring.
ReplyDeleteI had the impression his relationship with Duncan was a very shallow one. She preferred to turn Charlie in rather than help her rescue Monroe. If blondie can be believed, Duncan's dead - so much for him dealing with someone more ruthless and on his own level. To me she served to highlight what Charlie was willing to/capable of accomplishing. And Connor continues to grow closer to Monroe rather than to Charlie. At the end of the episode where Charlie asked him "that's who you want to follow" - he stood by Monroe.
I still just don't get this. Why is the fact that she slept with Connor the big stumbling block for some people? It's not incestuous. Charlie and Connor aren't married. If Charlie and Connor were in love (and/or married/committed/whatever serves in the post blackout world) and Bass attempted to seduce Charlie while they were in that relationship - that would be a deal-breaker. That would be a betrayal of his son.
ReplyDeleteBut they aren't. They hooked up one time that we know of. Other than Gene's "omg Rachel they're sleeping together" comment (which I thought was dumb), we don't even know for sure that it's ever happened more than the one time (and Bass even wondered to Charlie if/when she found time to hit that while they were traveling which sounded like a fishing expedition).
I'm not asking why you don't like Charlie/Monroe. I know it's an extreme relationship. I don't expect everybody to like it. I just don't understand why "because she slept with his son one time" is a deal-breaker for any future Charlie/Monroe relationship. I understand the "Miles wouldn't like it" and "Bass is a psycho" angles better than I understand this one.
I don't think Duncan would "straighten him out." They'd be more likely to go on a killing spree together because Duncan hasn't shown herself to be any more mature than Monroe is. She was vengeful. She enjoyed turning Charlie in because she viewed her as competition. She enjoyed leaving Monroe captive because that was vengeance against him for leaving her in the lurch. I think she'd make him less human, not more.
ReplyDelete"Connor continues to grow closer to Monroe rather than to Charlie. At the end of the episode where Charlie asked him "that's who you want to follow" - he stood by Monroe."
ReplyDeleteYes. a wake up all to Conner, because Charlie realizes her own mistake and doesn't want Conner also do so, because she cares about Conner! It's also in contrast to the time period of killing off Jason, so I think writers intent is blatent.
Also Kripke himself has referred to Bass as a psychopath (which is a staple note of Kripke antagonists). He warned everyone at the beginning of the season that not to trust what we saw with Monroe, because he most likely is not really going to change, but always have an angle. That is where I conclude that Bass can't feel very deeply, otherwise these near death experiences and reveal of his son would of moved him in a different direction IMO.
I don't think we know enough about Duncan to know where she draws the line, but I do think she has to be one tough cookie to be among the New Vegas crowds. But IMO I think she has moral standards, because she misjudged Monroe and Charlie and there none-existent physical relationship, making Bass out to be "robbing the cradle so to speak, which is one reason why I think she doesn't help Charlie to begin with.
ReplyDeleteBut I also think you have to be a bit of killer to survive in certain parts of this universe, it's just a matter of where each character draws the line.
I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on Bass, because I see his actions as demonstrating the opposite - he may be bugnuts, but he's not devoid of or incapable of deeper feeling, far from it.
ReplyDeleteWould love to see the interivew you're talking about with Kripke.
I don't see a romantic set up with Conner at all - mostly disdain on Charlie's part for him, and I haven't seen any true hint of deeper feeling on his part for her, either. Lust, yes. And you're ignoring the part where even though Charlie warned him about Bass, HE CHOSE BASS at the end of that episode...not Charlie. He's moving toward Bass, away from Charlie. And in the very next episode, Charlie told Connor that he, Connor is the person she trusts the LEAST. Not Bass. I see them as moving away from each other, not toward.
That doesn't spell blatant writer intent to me, not for any kind of romantic connection anyway.
Except she's dead? Or so we are lead to believe. Not much a dead Duncan can do for him. And my point is, a person who takes their revenge by doing nothing and letting the person they supposedly care for be murdered (or let him murder his own son without trying to rescue either of them) isn't someone who is going to restore any humanity to Bass. Charlie on the other hand could have just high-tailed it out of town...but she chose to save them.
ReplyDeleteAs for ethical standards...i saw her reaction to Charlie as one of pure jealousy, not one of moral disgust. If she didn't have a personal reason to be disturbed by Charlie's imagined relationship with Bass, she wouldn't have given a rat's ass if he was "robbing the cradle/plucking them young." And I never said that they were "ideal" because they would Bonnie and Clyde their lives away. In fact, I think that's what makes them ill-suited and completely not good for each other at all. What psychological leverage could she possibly have over him? The first time we see them together, he made fun of her for supposedly still caring. Not a convincing reaction that he was ever involved with her on an emotional level. She was to him what Connor was to Charlie - convenient.
We have to agree to disagree. For me, sleeping with the father of my former lover (be it a one night stand or more) is a huge turn off, much more so than "Miles would not like it". She is a grown woman by now, so Miles' opinion should count a lot less now than when she was the naive girl going out looking for her uncle.
ReplyDeleteI just don't think it fits with her character or even with Monroe's who sees her as one of the boys or as a kid. To me it would make more sense if Monroe goes after Rachel (and I even thought he would do so in S1) as he always wanted what Miles had/has.
Personally, I also feel that Charlie might be more attracted to Connor than she wants to admit. She makes fun of him, but that is part of it when you don't want to admit you are attracted to somebody, and you don't want to appear vulnerable. Her reaction to Jason's death however showed, she still has a certain vulnerability in her (or did, not sure how her confrontation with Neville will play out). I thought it was interesting that she told Connor, that the only person she trusts less than him is Jason...however within a day, she tells Jason she trusts him enough to leave the handcuffs off him.
I understand your point, just disagree because I don't have a clear enough picture with enough information or experiences to be able to judge Duncan off of this one instant.
ReplyDeleteLol, I have to agree to disagree with a lot of people for Charloe. :) And I thought what she said was that the only person she trusted less than Jason was Conner? Conner therefore being bottom of the list as far as trust goes.
ReplyDeleteThe thought of Bass and Rachel is as distasteful to me as I guess Bass and Charlie is to others. I just don't see that happening. Ever. Charlie has shown a willingness to, if not forgive and forget, at least move on. Not Rachel. And I'm not saying she should. And Monroe has shown a certain protectiveness towards Charlie. But I don't see anything besides animosity between him and Rachel at this point.
Also if I may ask, all other considerations aside (age, him being Bass's son, etc), would the possibility of a Connor/Rachel hookup be as distasteful as the Bass/Charlie hookup because "ew he slept with her daughter?" Just curious, mostly because some young stud hooking up with both mother and daughter is not that uncommon on TV (especially soaps).
ReplyDeleteYes, it would be to me :)
ReplyDeleteI think Monroe and Rachel would have worked in S1, but the writers have completely re-written Rachel's character in s2 (at least in my opinion) and it would no longer work now. I actually saw more between Rachel&Monroe in S1 then I ever did between Rachel&Miles. Miles is my favorite character but I think he was so much better with Nora than with Rachel.
ReplyDeleteAnd I agree, Monroe does seem protective towards Charlie, but in my opinion this has more to do with her being Miles' niece/daughter then with any feelings he might develop towards her.
BTW...before the hook up between Charlie/Connor I wasn't that against Monroe/Charlie..simply for the fact that it would have driven Rachel absolutely insane again...and I think the only interesting Rachel is the crazy one :).
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes....totally YES!!! #Bass&Charlie all the way! #Revolution
ReplyDeleteBoo on you. If you don't like the ship, please don't hate on the people who do.
ReplyDeleteYES!!!
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