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POLL : What did you think of The Tomorrow People - Thanatos?

5 Dec 2013

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30 comments:

  1. ryan5 December 2013 at 03:06

    This felt like a season finale. Wow. I have no words between this and Arrow.

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  2. Shannon5 December 2013 at 03:07

    Wow, well that was pretty intense. It was a roller coaster ride, with the cliche of "Bourne and Matrix" esque mixed in there. But they way i see it, everyone is screwed!! So John pulled the trigger on Roger, they know the truth about Jedikiah's affairs, Cara SLIPPED (like i knew she would) so now Jed knows Stephen is a mole. And The Founder? Was it...He know has an inkling of where TTP hide. WHOA! I guess all i can say is I loved Russell/Jed's moments. They were funny, "A dog could guard me i'm just saying" "Shut up and eat your meat". LOL Also Russell was stupid...that's the oldest trick in the book dude. Also liked Irene. I know we haven't seen her much but i love that girl. She's awesome. Wow, if/when Stephen finds out about John...I think he'll completely turn on John completely, and not even Cara will get them to make amends.

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  3. magil5 December 2013 at 06:46

    Pretty sure nothing we saw says John is a sociopath. Dark past - yes. Sociopath - totally different.

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  4. magil5 December 2013 at 07:00

    Though I expect conflict between John and Stephen over this (whoa, who wouldn't?) I also think this is a good set up for the writers to actually portray some depth and maturity in Stephen that we haven't truly seen in his character so far.


    Since the way the show seems to have demonstrated "visions" being about emotion as much as they are about facts, I'd like to see Stephen grabbling with what he saw in John's head - including the promise John made to his father and his own father's forgiveness. I'd like to see him grapple with all the dimensions of what he saw and not just react to one aspect of it.
    If as an audience we're supposed to buy that Stephen is some kind of chosen one, I'd like them to show us why that is in a way that doesn't just focus on Stephen's time-stopping power, but shows it also in his character. I want them to show us his ability to mature - show us that he has an ability towards compassion. Show us that he can be like what they've demonstrated his father is.

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  5. Chalice935 December 2013 at 07:06

    Killing someone point blank is sociopathic behavior. He willingly killed two, he didn't know the first was a test.

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  6. magil5 December 2013 at 07:25

    There's a difference between being a killer, being willing to kill, and being a sociopath - especially when you've been indoctrinated into it since you were a child. Stepping into this fictional world, I'd add that to be especially true in John's case.


    I'm not saying it isn't messed up. But sociopath is not what I saw portrayed, especially in context to the entire episode. And I'm pretty sure it wasn't what the writer's were going for. A sociopathic character is going to look different than the character we've seen portrayed. And - back to real life - sociopath is a really specific diagnosis to go throwing about.


    If I'm wrong, and the show chooses to make John a sociopath, I'm sure the show will bear that out and you can just say I told you so - or we can just agree to disagree. ;)

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  7. Reozen5 December 2013 at 07:32

    I agree with a lot of what you said and Irene is awesome liked her since episode 5. Did the ending make you think Stephen saw what John did in the flashback at the end of the episode or was Stephen's face change because he saw John being captured?

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  8. aron5 December 2013 at 07:32

    Wow that was... well said. Agreed.

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  9. aron5 December 2013 at 07:34

    I love Irene. And I think they need to use Russell more.


    I totally got the impression that Stephen saw what John did. I might be wrong, but that's what it seemed like to me. Plus, I sort of got that impression from the previews for the next episode.

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  10. Reozen5 December 2013 at 07:40

    I agree about Irene and Russell and I think that's what they're doing. I also got the impression that Stephen saw it but I can't be too sure because when they do those flashback sometimes it's hard to tell if someone is reading your mind when you see it.

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  11. Babar Suhail5 December 2013 at 10:39

    Best episode so far, really intense. Is there still a way that Stephen's dad is alive?


    Russell is really stupid isn't he, first making a racket at Jedikiah's apartment and then falling for him choking. Also, why didn't they let Jedikiah go once he told them the address of Thanatos?

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  12. Reozen5 December 2013 at 11:05

    Well, he could tell the people at Ultra that Stephen didn't really take Cara's powers and that he's a double agent so he would be killed plus he could describe where he was that's a really hard chance to take for letting him go. But I wonder why John didn't just drop him off somewhere since he obviously wasn't going to kill him.

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  13. Babar Suhail5 December 2013 at 11:28

    No, when Jedikiah told them the address of Thanatos, Cara hadn't revealed her powers to him.


    I am not sure if Stephen read John's mind, I think he did and found out.

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  14. Shannon5 December 2013 at 13:08

    i get what you're saying. I too would like to see this. But he's an 18 yr old high school boy, we're not getting that type of maturity anytime soon. That'll come over time. No way he's gonna be like his father in this season, or the next (if we get a 2nd one). When the truth comes out, (and it will) we're gonna see "acts of passion" revenge on Stephen's side. And that's pretty much it. and we'll probably also get Stephen's giving up side as well. i can see him all, I'm done with you guys, i'll find my father on my own, type of deal. It sucks but it's true. That's what i see. And i don't believe Stephen saw inside John's head at all. He was just surprised.

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  15. Shannon5 December 2013 at 13:14

    TBH, i think Stephen's face changed b/c he was captured. IDT Stephen saw what John did at all. Think about it, besides the flashbacks we got. Why would Stephen bother to read John's mind in that precise moment he was captured?? That makes no sense, especially since Stephen didn't even know he was hiding something to begin with. The only person that knew he had a secret was Cara. I truly believe that John was just remembering everything that happened that night, and he felt disappointed and felt like a failure b/c now he's captured, and he screwed up in protecting Stephen and guarding/helping TTP...which is what his father wanted John to do in the first place.

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  16. Sarah Köppen5 December 2013 at 15:06

    Loved this episode <3 Can I love John even more? His character is kind of twisted and I love this dark side. Can't imagine how the others react to this.

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  17. Reozen5 December 2013 at 15:15

    Yeah, that's true not sure why i was thinking she did but still if I was them I wouldn't really trust Jedikiah not telling Ultra about what their lair looks like. Me neither to me I wasn't sure if he read John's mind or he had that expression because John is now at Ultra and he has to find a way to save him without getting caught.

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  18. Reozen5 December 2013 at 15:19

    That's what I thought at first but then I started to wonder so I'm not really sure just thought I'd ask what you thought about that scene. That's true it's just that's what it kind of looked like to me for a second so I wasn't really sure. I kind of got the feeling that Stephen knows John can kill or has a suspicion not sure if that's true but I thought maybe he knew Killian wouldn't give up with being killed. What do you think about John kind of playing the other searching for Roger when he was dead all along?

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  19. Jordana335 December 2013 at 17:12

    There is nothing in John's behavior to suggest he's a sociopath. Sociopath's have no empathy. They'll frequently manipulate others and try to mimic empathy by telling others what they want to hear. But John doesn't do that either. I'm also pretty sure that the emotion he showed with Steve's father was genuine.

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  20. G_M5 December 2013 at 18:43

    that was the best ep yet! the perfect one! And no Astrid - that's a plus too

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  21. aron5 December 2013 at 19:01

    From my view, they need to show some of those traits sooner rather than later or they're going to create an unlikable lead character. Stephen has been on shaky ground for me the last several episodes as a likable character (and I realize not everyone is going to feel that way and I may get booed for saying this) with less depth and dimension than he started out the season. When the show started, he was my favorite character, but not so anymore, and I find that sad. This is going to sound harsh, but I really need the writers to show there is more to him than impulsive, self-focused teenager.

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  22. Shannon5 December 2013 at 19:44

    I think it's kinda f*cked up, that's what I think. Lol but then again. I can also understand why John went along with it. I mean maybe on some level he wants Roger to be alive, he wants to believe Stephen about this whole limbo place that Roger is stuck in. Ya know? I mean he probably regrets it everyday and needs/wants to believe that Roger can come back in someway shape or form. I'll tell u this much, if Roger is TRULY dead. How dare John get pissed about Stephen sleeping with Cara. I mean u killed his father, iIdt he's in any position to be scolding Stephen anymore. I was on John's side, but after last night, it's pretty messed up shit. Idk what to think about John anymore. I still like him though, but damn, it's like a double edge sword.

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  23. Shannon5 December 2013 at 19:50

    Well Stephen was never my fav character. I don't hate him but I don't like him either. But he does have his moments. TBH, that's just it. He IS a teenager, they're not gonna have him acting like he's 30 stuck in an 18 yr old body. I'm sure we'll see different sides of him sooner than later, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Maybe we'll see a change after he graduates. Lol Sorry, JMHO.

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  24. Reozen5 December 2013 at 23:45

    I think Roger is dead because they have his body after John killed him but I'll move on from that right now because not sure how we'll go from there. and I agree making a mistake and sleeping with someone's girlfriend it's a bad thing to do and he knows he screwed up and I actually ship Stephen and Cara not sure about you but killing Stephen's father? That's a heck of a lot worse thing to do and sounds really hypocritical of John.

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  25. Shannon6 December 2013 at 00:53

    Sadly, i have to agree, i think Roger is dead too. But then again, idk what the writer's have up their sleeves. Actually i don't. I don't ship Cara/Stephen. I ship John/Cara or Stephan/Astrid. And EXACTLY...John killing his father is wayyy worse than Stephen sleeping with Cara. Smh

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  26. Reozen6 December 2013 at 02:03

    Yeah, but I see them having a way for him to come back somehow which is confusing. Yeah, I figured you didn't I just thought I'd just say I shipped them and even I didn't like what Stephen did but what John did was worse.

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  27. Shannon6 December 2013 at 04:17

    Why confusing?? I mean if you mean, this isn't Supernatural or TVD then yeah I agree. Why would they bring him back from the dead?? And that's cool, we can have different ships. I don't mind that. : )

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  28. Reozen6 December 2013 at 10:41

    I just meant confusing about what they're going to do since I know in later episodes they're still trying to find him so he'll still be alive? That's what I don't get unless he really isn't dead but that doesn't make sense but wouldn't Ultra of did something with his body? I usually have the same ships as you in a lot of shows it's just I've always like Stephen and Cara and not that I don't like John but Stephen is my favorite character. I don't know how I'll survive with a lot of my shows on winter breaks maybe take a 5 week nap?

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  29. Sarah Köppen6 December 2013 at 11:57

    Amen. Yes John really is searching for a family and get redemption for what he done because of Jedikiah. You can see in his anger, when he is always telling "You are not my father, I am not your son" that he saw Jedikiah like this too. He loved and trusted him like a father and it must be the most hearbreaking moment for a young men (sixs years ago I would say he was around 21-22 because when Jedikiah found him 15 years ago, I would say he was around 12-13) when you get, that your "father" just used you. And you can see that John is really trying to protect the others and Stephen, like he promised. I hope that Stephen can understand this too (that Jedikiah made doing all of this by using him. Of course it is Stephen and he is around 18 years old, so maybe he will first punsh him and "hate" him but I hope he can understand John in the end.)
    I love the fact that they all come from different places kind if and Stephen and John are, even in their past, like fire and ice.
    Yes, Stephen lost is father but he still has a loving mother and an annoying little brother who def is loving him. John never had something like this and comes from somewhere totally different.
    I hope both learn to work together and not kind of always against each other because they have the same purpose: Protecting their kind.
    But I think this is happening when you have to alpha males running into each other.
    Russell is a awesome character. I want more scense between John and him but I think we will get this. Russell said, that John safed him too two years ago in one episode, so I hope we will see this too. (sorry for bad grammar but I am german, so english is not my first language)

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  30. Mercy9 December 2013 at 15:25

    always when I consider to drop TTP they bring in episodes like this.
    The multilayered characters are whats keeps me watching. Very intense episode and a lot of depth abouth John and Jedikiah (funny the atcors attracted me to the show in the first place). Sad they are not using Stephens Mom, Astrid and Russel more/better.

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