In last night’s installment, after losing their car to the zombies attack last week, Daryl and its group tried to find a way back to prison, they got attacked on the way but they found a new car, so they are riding back home and Rick dealt in a surprising way with the aftermath of Carol’s revelation : she is cold murderer… (or not, she’s Carol for God sake).
So, after spending the whole episode to make her point, Carol finally got Rick’s answer : he doesn’t want her near him so she is not coming back to the prison ! Wait, what ? How can he ? It’s Carol, she is here since the beginning, she has this thing with Daryl, she… No ! I'm still in denial.
Let’s go back to what happened first. So, Carol made a beautiful speech to sick Lizzie. It was really touching when she called Carol mom. I instantly thought of Sophia. She showed Carol she was not weak, even if she still thinks walkers are some kind of people. They are just moving corpses girl ! Anyway, Carol cares for her and she cares for her. It was a beautiful moment. Carol is still human.
And then, Rick decided to take Carol with him on his trip to get medicines and some foods. Of course, taking Carol was an excuse to get her to talk and explain what she did. It was powerful. Melissa McBride was really perfect in her speeches. Carol acted quickly, she wanted to save more lives so she eliminated the threat. That is what you do in this world... even if it means killing young boys. I do not really agree with that, but I could clearly understand Carol’s point. After everything she went through : being beaten by her husband, losing her daughter, she really has grown from a silent wife to a powerful woman. She is not a scared women living in the shadows, she makes decisions and takes action for her survival. Rick didn’t really answer her at first, so we thought he was okay with it. He had troubles accepting it and he knows it’s a different world and sometimes you have to make wrong things for the right reasons. This sickness is a real danger and Carol tried her way to stop it.
After meeting with a stupid young couple, who rather stay hidden in the bathroom for two days than kill a single zombie (I loved it when the walker fell down the stairs ! LOL), Rick and Carol decided to trust them and to bring them back to the prison… Except, it’s a dangerous world now, and they did not make it. Poor couple got eaten by two walkers. (Well, not her at least). The point of them was only to show us how vulnerable you are when you are separated from your group. So, afterwards, Rick decided it was time to tell what he had on his heart about Carol's action : she is not coming back to the prison, he can not trust her anymore, not around Carl. Shocker ! It was a hard choice Rick made. Carol killed a boy, she made a bad decision so now, it’s over, she is no longer a part of the group ?! I’m really hating Rick right now… What I hate more is I kinda agree with him. It’s terrible. I’m very fond of Carol and I also understand her point, but sure, I can understand how Rick feels about it. She has gone too far, she acted alone and went behind Rick's back so how can he trust her now ?
So, what will happen to Carol ? She can not survive much longer alone out there. Will she find another group ? (aka The Walking Dead spin off ?) or will she meet up with someone we already know (The Governor) ? I’m sure Daryl will not happy about this and he will get her back. Do not drive too far away Carol ! Daryl will come for you next week !
Elsewhere in the country, Daryl and its group were facing danger while trying to get the medicines and come back to the prison. Luckily, Daryl and Michonne are badass zombies killers, so they got rid of most walkers around. Tyresse is really starting to annoy me. He reminds me of Shane. He is always angry, making stupid decisions and putting others in danger. He feels lost because Karen has been killed, but man, it’s the walkers world now, you lived worst than that and he should have expect Karen to die sooner than later. Okay, being murdered inside the prison was surprising but in this world, it’s not that surprising. Get over it Tyresse ! Or he will end up as Shane, dead and walking for three seconds. Michonne’s speech to him was great. I love Michonne last season but this season, she is even better. She smiles, she talks. She is finally human and real. I hope she convinced Tyresse, it did look like he was better by the end of the episode.
Now, Bob is starting to be annoying as well. He has a drinking problem, I got it, but risking his live for one bottle. It’s one of the stupidest things someone did on The Walking Dead, and we all know how stupid some characters can be. He also still feels guilty about the zombies rain in the first episode. He got that dude from Veronica Mars killed when the shelves collapsed but, drinking scotch won’t help it. He should have understood drinking is useless now. Being drunk when walkers can jump on you anytime is not the best idea. He better work on his drinking problem or he will die too. And by the way, pissing off Daryl is not a great idea either.
At the end, Daryl got the car ready and they all jumped in. Everybody survived, they got the medicines, so everything looked fine but Tyresse and Bob are two ticking bombs, Daryl will explode when he finds out about Carol and Michonne is still holding her grudge over the Governor. I really thought at the end that Daryl would find Carol on the road or maybe Rick but no, the three cars drove away, two back to the prison and one to the unknown.
What did you think of this episode ? Are you angry against Rick or do you understand him ? What about Carol and Daryl ? Is Tyreese getting on your nerves too ? How long do you think before Bob bites the dust ?
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I haven't liked Rick for awhile, and this really turned it up. I can't stand him. First of all, he is incredibly unstable and no longer realistic. You have to do what you have to do to survive. IMO, Carole did what was right. Sure, she should have waited till they were dead, but she was thinking about the kids and how they might all become infected with this new threat. She stepped up and did what needed to be done. Rick would just stand around till they turned and probably infected anyone who tried to put them down.
ReplyDeleteI did not feel it was Rick's call to banish Carole. There should have been a group vote on that. Also, Carole is like one of their trained medics at this point. She has medical skills, weapon skills, she's very valuable in many ways to the group. You do not just throw that away.
Rick is not perfect, he is no one to judge anyone. And he was actively looking to kill Shane way before Shane ever turned.
As far as Ben goes, they should have thrown him to the walkers at this point. He's a weak link, and he is going to get more people killed.
I do want to see how the rest of the group reacts when they find out that Rick threw Carole out.
Probably there would have been more reactions if Tyreese would have killed "Dr. Carol". I would have wanted to see if Daryl would have still helped him.
ReplyDeleteI'm sure that Daryl will NOT search Carol. He will be shocked and angry about her. At least he will be thankful to Rick that he has not to decide how he behaves towards Carol after promising Tyreese to beat the killer when he finds "him".
ReplyDeleteI completely understand where Rick is coming from. What Carol did put her in a completely different light. Of course one can argue that what she was doing was to protect those she cares about, but one can also argue that she should've seen what happened. The two people she killed were already isolated, and Rick was right, they might've lived. They might have overcame the infection. There's a lot of what ifs, so both sides have a valid argument.
ReplyDeleteMe, I tend to side with Rick. Carol should've at least waited to see what became of them before killing them. The possibility they might have lived is enough for me.
I agree and don't agree with you on Rick banishing Carol. I do think that he should've left it up for a council vote on what to do with her. But Tyreese or someone else definitely would've been inclined to kill her. In a way, banishing her like that takes away the possibility that Tyreese or someone else would kill her. She has a better shot out there. Now Rick will receive some heat from people undoubtedly, but nothing as extreme as killing him.
I totally agree with you. Rick gave up being leader awhile ago while others have had the courage to step up- maybe Carol's decision was wrong, but that is for the group to decide, not Rick alone. If he did not like what the council might decide, he is always free to take Carl and Judith away so he can feel "safe" without Carol being there. It's ridiculous that he was okay with Merle being in the prison because of Daryl- Merle who tried to kill both Michonne and Glenn with not even a good reason- and he is going to kick Carol out? I just hate him - I am so sick of him. He really threw Carol out because he felt threatened that here was a strong person who was willing to make decisions and yet he can't make up his mind about anything and he didn't like seeing someone so much stronger than himself.
ReplyDeleteThere is nothing to Daryl and Carol, they were good friends, as were Carol and Rick. If Rick tells Daryl the truth he will be shocked and angry because, like us, he will be completely blindsided. Carol was turning into Shane and I doubt there will be tears shed for her if Rick reveals her secret, which I don't think he will - or at least only to a few select people.
ReplyDeleteI think once Rick tells everyone it will make Tyrese extremely loyal to Rick. And he will sort of replace Daryl as his right hand man. Tyrese knows how much Carole meant to everyone and how hard it was for Rick to banish her.
ReplyDeleteI don't know. Tyreese ORDERED Rick to find who did it and bring them to HIM. Tyreese might be angry that Rick banished her instead of giving him the chance to get his hands on her. Daryl I think will have mixed emotions on the matter. Last week he told Tyreese "I want to put a bullet in them for what they did" but he didn't know it was Carol. We'll see. Who knows Rick may not even tell the group the truth. He might just tell them she was killed by a horde or something.
ReplyDeleteI understand where Rick was coming from but he is being a bit hypocritical. His son murdered someone last season but he wasn't banished. Shane murdered Otis but he wasn't banished. Murder is murder and Rick's guilty of that four times (Dave, Tony, Shane, Tomas). Rick killed Dave and Tony to protect the group just as Carol did when she killed Karen and David just as Carl did when he killed the boy in the woods. As for Carol I do wonder where she'll end up and my guess is that she'll be found living with a new community after the prison falls. In the comics the prison falls and Rick (and others) joins up with a new community. I have a feeling she'll be there when they arrive.
ReplyDeleteI don't think Rick will straight up lie and say Carol is dead. Maybe by omission, but not blatantly. People in the prison will be pissed, but they will get over it. Especially if the meds save lives. Then people will think that maybe Carol acted too quickly and should have consulted the council. Tyrese will saddle up to Rick and they will be formidable. Can't wait.....
ReplyDeleteI feel like ever since Carol admitted to the killings, she's been asserting that while perhaps she did a "wrong"
ReplyDeletething, she did it for the "right" reasons. The council wasn't 100% certain about which approach to take while the threat of this fast-acting illness grew. Meanwhile, Rick just
wanted to sidestep any decision-making role and cultivate crops. Sure, when Carol took action it didn’t have nearly the outcome she hoped for: sickness spread anyway, and Tyreese became
an unpredictable loose cannon. I feel, though, that this is why they're called the "hard" decisions -- nobody wants to make them, because everybody fears the missteps and repercussions. It seems somehow appropriate that Carol should mention
Shane, the character who filled these same shoes for two seasons -- again, no real hero in anyone's book, but the guy willing to do the necessary (and sometimes inhumane) dirty work.
In my opinion, Carol ultimately has the best line of the episode: “You can be a farmer, Rick. But you can’t just be a farmer.” As Lizzie pointed out, people can change until they're almost unrecognizable, but at least they're still *something* -- and through her actions, Carol has made the point that abdicating leadership in such a brutal new reality reduces a person like Rick to virtually nothing at all.
To me, TWD is often at its most powerful in the smallest moments, and that includes the closing moments of this episode: the final (?) parting of two fellow survivors who became as good as family to each other. Rick can't stop glancing in his
rear view mirror for any sign of Carol. It's poignant and emotional -- but for me, it also illustrates the indecisive part of Rick's nature that Carol could simply no longer abide.
It'll be interesting to see how things unfold. I'm interested to see how Rick handles the situation and if he does tell them the truth how the others will take the news not just the news of Carol's banishment by Rick but of her actions against Karen and David as well.
ReplyDeleteI agree. Carol did what she did to save lives (even though it didn't work) but her intentions were right. I think the problem here is her approach. She went behind everyone's back to commit this act and then she acted ignorant about it afterwards even putting Rick on the case to find out who the killer was. Her comment towards Rick about being a farmer but that he can't just be a farmer kind of backfired on her. Rick became more than just a farmer when he banished her he became a leader again. His decision wasn't the right one but it wasn't the wrong one either.
ReplyDeleteExactly. I don't see why many believe there's a love connection between Daryl and Carol when there's not. Sure, SHE flirted with him a couple of times, but HE always blew her off, so yeah, nothing more than good friendship because of what they have in common. Rick telling the others what happened is a sticky situation, but I don't think he'll keep it to himself. Other than thinking of his own children, he would've just kept the secret to himself and let her back to the prison without a second thought.
ReplyDeleteActually, it's bolt, not bullet. Bolt is another word for arrow. I didn't get that at first either lol
ReplyDeleteThough everyone's guesses are as good as the next, after seeing next week's preview, I don't think there will be much time for any kind of discussion within the group. Shit's hittin' the fan.. hard and fast.
ReplyDeleteDaryl searched through a whole prison just because he spot Carol's knife when he thought she was dead: there's is, seriously, no way in which Daryl would not search the entire United States to find Carol if she is still alive.
ReplyDeleteI don't think it backfire, but did exactly what she intended: Rick too charge, just as she did with total disregard of the Concil.
ReplyDeleteShe respected his choice as he respected hers.
I think her intentions were to make Rick step up but I don't think she intended for him to punish her with banishment.
ReplyDeleteCarol betrayed the group. She betrayed the trust they all placed in her as a member of the council, and she deceived them. She made a decision that only God should make, who lives and who dies. Rick was right, she did NOT know they were going to die anyway and she did NOT know that it hadn't spread beyond them yet either. What she did was wrong....for the right reasons. As to Rick, this was him taking leadership back, imo. And I agree with what he did, how do you trust that? How do you trust she won't do that to someone else? And as for Daryl, he won't be whistling Dixie but she deceived him as well and WORSE....she clearly didn't trust their bond enough to let him know it was her or that she was even thinking about it (which tells me she knew just how wrong she was)...what's worse...when Rick was giving her the boot, not once did she say a thing about anyone but those girls.
ReplyDeleteI don't think so. Daryl can smell a lie like a fart on the wind and Rick gave Carol all her stuff. He wouldn't leave her stuff behind were she dead, he'd bring it back for the group. That'll be the kicker too, that Rick owned up to what he did whilst Carol did not. Plus, she wanted rick to cover for her.
ReplyDeleteshe did mention lizzie and meka. rick blew her off and said they would be taken care of. carol made a desperate act-I believe she felt this could stop the supervirus. When rick asked point blank she said yes-no deceit. rick took her on the run to dump or kill her, his mind was made up when he told her she was going. she is stronger, tougher and harder. never cold hearted, never a loose cannon clearly not a danger. I believe consulting the council as to her punishment would have been appropriate. to lock her out of the car and leave her alone to most likely suffer,die, get raped or tortured or just die alone was cold hearted. he knows she would never hurt the children or kill randomly-I don't know why the depth of cruelty. as for leaving her behind to protect her from tyreese and the others-sure keep vengeful, spite murderer on and banish the one who has been with the group the longest. rick or anyone else is not without blood on their hands so judging her so harshly is almost a joke.as for daryl. there was a special friend connection that may have turned into love. she loves him totally but he has drawn away from her. He is enjoying the attention of the others. think he will fast track hit it off with michonne-she isn't subtle or shy. she'll take him and he will be hers.the dixonne pairing is interesting. just don't think carol had to be treated so bad to sink the caryl ship. this whole storyline is becoming to painful to watch
ReplyDeletethe reason why people see romance between Daryl and Carol IS BECAUSE THE ACTORS AND THE WRITERS AND PRODUCERS ACKNOWLEDGED IT AND TALKED ABOUT IT AND INSISTED ON IT AND CLEARLY SAID THERE WAS ROMANTIC UNDERTONES.
ReplyDeleteI mean seriously guys , i know some stuff can be subjective but open up your eyes from time to time and see the facts.
everyone is saying that Daryl would go look for Carol and i agree and i think the opposite would be an insult to his character.
ReplyDeleteBut im worried that his submissive attitude towards Rick will make go all "oh you banished my closest friend/love interest and left her alone to survive with barely nothing ? oh ok i obey."
Daryl was one of the angriest over Karen and David's deaths. He even told Tyreese he'd like to kill whoever did it. I believe it'll bother him that Carol's gone but I don't think he'll hunt for her. I mean it is possible but I don't think he's Rick's lap dog either. He respects Rick because lets face it Rick did get them as far as they are. He talked them into leaving the camp he found the farm he found the prison. They're all alive because of his decisions. I don't know if his decision to banish Carol was the right one but it wasn't the wrong one either. He was protecting her because if Tyreese found out he'd kill her. As for the Carol/Daryl love charade I believe that was more Carol than Daryl. I believe Daryl cared for Carol but I don't know if he saw her as a love interest otherwise I believe they'd already be together. SHE had pet names for him SHE flirted with him. Daryl usually just laughed it off and went on. Will he be upset she's gone yes but I don't think he'll go after her and if he does he's no better than Michonne who he's been chastising for "running off".
ReplyDeleteCarol is not the kind of person that would gamble with her own life and, for Rick to step up, would only end up with her as dead as Shane & Randall. She wanted Rick to make a choice, just like she did, and she abide by said choice just like Rick abide by hers regarding David & Karen.
ReplyDeleteThe fact he kept looking back in the rearview mirror means he didn't like this any more than she did.
What facts? They acknowledged the FAN BASE - they NEVER confirmed a romance IN THE SHOW, nor did they they EVER said it would happen ON THE SHOW. The actors themselves - especially Norman Reedus (who once stated that he couldn't picture Daryl in a romantic relationship) never confirmed the rumors. There is possibility for romance with every character that interacts with one another, you can 'ship' whatever you like, but there is a difference between the fan base and the actual show.
ReplyDeleteI HATE RICK.... this one is the best episode yet but i hate Rick, WTH MEN, why dont you understand she did it to save all of you, mostly YOU cause she considers you FAMILY and he has the balls to say that it was diferent when he killed Shane, she is doing what was best for them, she killed and they all have killed people... Ugh i mean i wanted to scream and Rick when he has saying to carol she ahs to leave cause he doesnt trust her anymore, it was hard, but i`m ipressed how Carol took it, her character has grown so much, i hope this isnt the end for her, she needs to get back to them!
ReplyDeleteThe Daryl/Carol thing is not a charade because Norman himself seems to be really into it , producers , journalists and the actors acknowledged that there is something romantic going on. As Norman explained Daryl IS NOT the kind of person who would make the first move , in fact he said he portrays him as a virgin introvert who doesnt know how to deal with his feelings. To see Daryl as someone who would hit on a girl if he likes her is too simple and cliché. And thinking that if two people like each other they automatically get together on a tv show is naive tbh.
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