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Supernatural - Episode 9.08 - Rock and a Hard Place - CHCH Promo

26 Nov 2013

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96 comments:

  1. isleofskye26 November 2013 at 16:12

    Muh. Another supposedly funny episode. How I miss my bad-ass, rock-salt guns blazing, myth-arc brothers.

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  2. Lisa26 November 2013 at 17:04

    I didn't know we needed a weekly fix about Dean Winchester : The Straight Man.
    If only the main storyline (remember the big cliffhanger involving angels falling from heaven ? No ? Me neither.) was compelling, but nope, let's focus time,talent, money and energy on useless filler episodes.

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  3. Jess C26 November 2013 at 17:26

    Meh. This episode seems so boring it's not even funny anymore. That happened too many times this season already and we're not even in the middle of it yet. We even forget what the big storyline this season is about. We have like 1 good ep over 5 that suck. How many times are we going to go back to having S&D being virgins again? It's getting old and with all the things happening, and all the time that passed, we'd think they'd have more important things to do. Or, if they wanted to make this ep a filler in which the boys hunt monsters again like they've always did, that's good, do it, but do something new, not the same useless things over and over again (with new actors too, because I'm pretty sure the red haired woman has been on the show in the past as well). People are probably going to vote my comment down and say "we should wait and watch the ep first". The thing is, it's become so predictable that I don't even need to watch the ep to know what it's going to be about.


    When talking with several writers on twitter, they've said that things happen on the show when it serves the storyline. Well then, I'm really confused as to how this episode is going to serve the storyline for this season (same for the ep in which Dean becomes a dog, an episode that was so bad it was painful to watch).

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  4. CyanaT26 November 2013 at 17:40

    This! And 908 is another allegedly heavy Dean-centric episode despite the presence of a Jody/Sam team up to rescue Dean. If it turns out to as evenly "guest & lead character" balanced as TAT turned out to be I'll be pleasantly surprised.

    As Chris's review of Bad Boys pointed out we have yet to get any Sam POV on what's happening to him - are the writers implying that Zeke is regularly wiping Sam's mind of even the answers Sam is giving to Dean about 'feeling fine' in nearly every post 902 episode? Or are the writers doing a substandard job again of writing Sam's POV, with the exception of his talks to Charlie, Dorothy and Dean about not regarding the Bunker as home.?

    908 is the last chance to get any Sam POV regarding his own health and why Dean has been asking if Sam "feels to it/the hunt of the week" and not just concern for Dean before the crap hits the fan in 909. If we do get Sam questioning things that are happening to him - e.g., prior spoilers concerning 908 - I think - had Sam noticing he was missing chunks of time that he couldn't account for - so that *might* mean that Zeke pretends he's Sam when he and Jody set out to rescue Dean, at least some point during the rescue, that is, I'll be more satisfied with the episode.

    But otherwise I agree, meh - not that I dislike a Dean shirtless scene - but the boys have larger issues to attempt to deal with at this time. Just because Crowley said there was no way of reversing Metatron's spell doesn't mean it's the Winchester Way just to 'lie down'.

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  5. tvmonkey26 November 2013 at 18:06

    More Dean fan pandering

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  6. browniegirl2726 November 2013 at 18:10

    Yes. There are Dean fans who actually like to watch episodes about Dean. Go figure.

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  7. Peter J426 November 2013 at 18:20

    They just had the angel story two weeks ago. I'm sure people remember that.

    I don't care for all the filler episodes either, but every time they don't have them, people tend to complain about how it's too myth heavy and who cares about angels.


    I'm hoping they are getting these episodes out of the way and the second half will be more dramatic.

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  8. Peter J426 November 2013 at 18:22

    If we were getting shirtless Dean I think they might have shown it in the previews.

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  9. Peter J426 November 2013 at 18:23

    I miss that too, but I haven't really seen that since season 1 anyway, to be honest. Season 2 at a pinch.

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  10. Peter J426 November 2013 at 18:25

    Is that woman going to be another secretly evil creature who is possessing a human? I can't imagine she'd be reacting that way if she were human. That's too much of a parody.


    The last time they did this, with April, it was a disaster. I hope we aren't back to that again. Can't they write a female character in a sexual situation without their being evil or possessed?

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  11. Peter J426 November 2013 at 18:26

    I wouldn't say natural evolution, more the general uneven tone of episodes they've had since somewhere in season 3. I just hope this might be the last one for a while.

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  12. Miss Supernatural26 November 2013 at 18:29

    According to spoilers, the drama will hit us hard next week, complete with the brothers fighting and Dean going to be in a very dark place for at last episode 12. So I'll take funny while I can.

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  13. sharonally26 November 2013 at 18:31

    Well we are rarely short of those are we. I would like to of had a episode that had dealt with Sam's pov before we get the Dean heavy /Sam lite episodes coming up but we are not going to get one of those .



    Another filler is what we get so what can you do about it.

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  14. CyanaT26 November 2013 at 18:32

    You know what I meant - this episode clip more than implied a Dean sex scene and JP said in a prior interview that Dean would be having sex before the fall break.

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  15. Lisa26 November 2013 at 18:33

    I sure do. Dean is portrayed as straight and has been since season 1. But lately, they're not even being subtle to reinforce the idea : his organized porn magazines, Robin, even as a dog he's into female dogs, sleeping with a former porn star,...God forbid people thought the guy is bisexual or at least bicurious. S8 was hinting at that and now they're backpedaling and pushing down our throats that Dean is a manly heterosexual guy.

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  16. browniegirl2726 November 2013 at 18:34

    Sorry, not sorry. I'm happy with the focus Dean has been getting so far this season. It's much better than the second half of season 8, where Dean was only reacting to Sam and Cas' storylines.

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  17. Peter J426 November 2013 at 19:05

    I don't think Sam is really that OK - he's living a lie and a shell.

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  18. tvmonkey26 November 2013 at 19:05

    I'm not sure that will be the message behind the episode, I think it'll be more about lying or not keeping promises? I dont know but the show usually only kills the women Sam sleeps with so this makes a change.


    I was actually kinda hoping the twist would be that the blonde he sleeps with is the monster that lures men in and kills them after they're broken their vow of chastity.

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  19. tvmonkey26 November 2013 at 19:09

    but we dont actually know that because the show hasnt shown or told us, Sam hasnt told us anything. He's basically a robot from episode 2-9 then finds out the truth and in 10 he's suicidal? That will most likely be the theme for Sam for an episode before they sweep it under the rug only to bring it up right at the end of the season when Sam will suddenly be ok and not suicidal after a emo speech from Dean. Its like Sam's just nodding along to what ever he's told he should fee at any one time.

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  20. Peter J426 November 2013 at 19:11

    If sex ends in death for a woman, yet again, then that's going to be what gets the most focus, at least in fandom, because the show does this over and over and it's become kind of heinous at this point. It's like they can only have one of the guys with a woman if she is evil or dies, or both. The only one who hasn't had this treatment in the last few years is Sam, although he did in earlier seasons.

    If they want to write about lying and betrayal, fine, but I hate that they chose this path to tell it.

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  21. Peter J426 November 2013 at 19:11

    We've seen that Sam thinks everything is OK. We've seen him trying to accept the bunker as a home. He wants to rebuild a family with Kevin, and Dean, and Cas.


    We haven't seen enough, but there's been some foundation.

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  22. Elena Wonderland26 November 2013 at 19:15

    THIS!

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  23. isleofskye26 November 2013 at 19:15

    Yes, I actually love monster of the week episodes, but the ones we used to get were scary , well thought out dealing with genuine urban legends most of the time, and if there were moments of comedy, they were woven seamlessly into the plot.


    To cut to the chase, there was more care and creativity put into them.

    The actors can only do so much with the material they're given, but i would submit that after nearly nine years the j's should at least have some kind of influence over what they're forced to act out.
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    They say they are very defensive of the show and I believe them, but they must be aware that the quality of the eps are nowhere as inspiring as they used to be.

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  24. tvfan9026 November 2013 at 20:06

    I agree with everything you said here. I really hope the writers don't have Sam run away yet again when he's mad at Dean, I'm so tired of that. I just wish that for once they could stay on the same page for nearly the entire season. At least this year's "brother angst" makes more sense then that stupid "Amy" plotline of season 7 and the "I didn't look for you" in season 8.

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  25. isleofskye26 November 2013 at 20:07

    I don't agree at all.

    Those early episodes were wonderful, the brothers' relationship was fascinating and the stories coinvolging.

    In any SPN best episode competion, those are the episodes that always win.
    x

    EHH was one of my fav. episodes in season eight, along with As Time Goes By and Trial and Error. The others were all eminently forgettable for me

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  26. tvmonkey26 November 2013 at 20:07

    no its about balance something this show lacks in many aspects

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  27. tvmonkey26 November 2013 at 20:10

    when did he say he wanted to rebuild a family with Dean, Kevin and Cas? Sam hasnt shown any interest in anything beyond making research?

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  28. tvmonkey26 November 2013 at 20:11

    were there any Sam spoilers?

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  29. Peter J426 November 2013 at 20:11

    His repeated statements to Dean that he wants Cas to come back, and offering over and over to help Dean bring Cas back.

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  30. tvmonkey26 November 2013 at 20:12

    there are Sam fans who would actually like a Sam episode at all, those are few and far between these days.

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  31. isleofskye26 November 2013 at 20:13

    Me too.

    As I said, I totally understand if Sam goes off pissed, but I don't want it to happen, even if as you say, it is understandable, not like that crappy OOC stuff at the start of season eight.
    Sam would hhave looked, and the annoying thing is that not just Dean called him out on it but Bobby did too, UGH!

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  32. tvmonkey26 November 2013 at 20:15

    interesting to me it just shows Dean as some kind of sex addict

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  33. isleofskye26 November 2013 at 20:15

    I understand perfectly. :(

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  34. Peter J426 November 2013 at 20:18

    I think it's mostly presented as a fun pasttime for Dean and a way to get away from the harsh realities of the world. I guess he might see this episode the same way, although it looks like it will end horribly.

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  35. Peter J426 November 2013 at 20:20

    They're some of my favorites too, but I'm just saying if they came out today people would say filler, filler, where's the plot, why isn't anything happening, etc. Once the show started shifting its tone, in seasons 3 and 4, viewer expectation started to change.

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  36. tvmonkey26 November 2013 at 20:20

    I believe Dean will be working with Garth while Cas and most like Zeke will be teaming up for 1 episode? Sam is the most forgiving character on the show so its unlikely he'll stay mad at Dean for more than episode. Theres no way Dean will not come out smelling like roses and theres little chance whatever happens wont be perceived as Sam being wrong/selfish by the fandom. So I see no point in dragging the whole pointless affair out. Sam may as well just forgive Dean off the bat and they can get on with it.

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  37. tvfan9026 November 2013 at 20:24

    I think it would show a lot of maturity if Sam didn't run away. The writers keep talking about the brothers "maturing" but I have yet to see what they're talking about. I get that he will be very angry, but running away isn't going to do anything expect get Dean even more depressed, and Sam knows this because it's happened every time he's left. He knows it will only make things worse. It would be interesting to see Sam handle the news in a different way rather than running off and I hope the writers will do this. I wonder if they'll have Sam eventually see why Dean did what he did and at least understand it and for how long he will hold this against him.


    What I don't get about the "didn't look for you" thing was why Sam couldn't just explain. (I think he couldn't explain because even the writers didn't know why). It seemed odd. It was just a "I thought you were dead" like he couldn't believe why in the world Dean would be upset with him. I would have been fine if they had Sam actually explain his reasoning to Dean and admit that he should have looked and told Dean how lost he was without him. Or even an "I'm sorry", like when Dean apologized for sending the fake Amelia text. I feel like they just wanted to use this as a way to create brother angst and build them back up.

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  38. Peter J426 November 2013 at 20:25

    In this case if Sam leaves I wouldn't see it as running away - he'd have justifiable reasons to want to go.

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  39. tvfan9026 November 2013 at 20:28

    I agree that this time it would make "the most sense" but it's happened one too many times already for my liking. I'm not sure why he'd want to be alone with an angel possessing him though.

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  40. isleofskye26 November 2013 at 20:34

    I get what you're saying as far as there being bizarre fringes of SPN fandom that seen to hate the Sam character, but I would just ignore them.
    x

    However, if as you theorize, Sam forgives Dean right away, then what was the use of Dean's tension around his brother? It would be an anti-climax, so I think the writers will want to keeep the bro-war going on for a few episodes at least.
    X
    As for Sam being too forgiving, I agree. He should have kicked Castiel's ass for what he did to him instead of sprouting lines like "But it's Cas"
    One of my absolute fave moments of Sam is when he took his revenge on Brady in the alley. I loved that Sam.

    The writers need to make him more bad-ass than how they have portrayed him recently.

    Dean too for that matter. The writers have made him a too soft and house-wifey!

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  41. Peter J426 November 2013 at 20:39

    Maybe Sam will believe that Dean having to work with Garth is punishment enough.

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  42. isleofskye26 November 2013 at 20:52

    Sam couldn't explain because it was planned out that he had to give Dean a reason to be pissed at him, so that an artifical brother blaming and resentment could be built up.

    Everyone was expecting some supernatural explanation for why Sam didn't look, because it was just so ooc for him, but we never got one.
    X
    I can honestly see Sam forgiving Dean for having called Ezekiel for help, for the simple reason that Sam would do anything to keep Dean alive too.
    x

    As Sam said at Cold Oak. "There's NOTHING I wouldn't do for you."

    One has only to watch Mystery Spot to see the lengths Sam would go to for his brother.
    It's completely unbelievable to me that it was Carver who wrote that episode, seeing that he presented us with the 'Sam not looking one' . What a paradox!

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  43. sharonally26 November 2013 at 20:52

    That Jared has had alot of time off while Dean is in his dark place because obviously Ezekiel only hurts Dean and that Jared agreed that Sam has not been part of the narrative but that will change after the hiatus.

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  44. Miss Supernatural26 November 2013 at 22:07

    Ok, I must have misunderstood your comment, I guess. I'm not sure that the lack of upcoming Sam's POV is so "obvious" from what Jared said, but like you said, we'll have to wait.

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  45. browniegirl2726 November 2013 at 22:40

    What I should have said was, we're getting brother episodes with Dean focus. If that's how you want to play it.

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  46. DougF0026 November 2013 at 23:16

    I count 5 season storyline episodes and 4 motw episodes in this first part of the season, that seems like balance to me.

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  47. Jewel27 November 2013 at 00:25

    On screen that is.,..just because it wasn't shown doesn't mean he hasn't had sex in 2 years. There is no reason for them to show him having sex unless it moves the story. He probably has been having it off screen.

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  48. Jewel27 November 2013 at 00:27

    No he didn't. That's choking someone. VERY different from strangulation and trying to kill someone.

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  49. CyanaT27 November 2013 at 01:06

    And it's not clear to me - from looking at all spoiler and/or foiler sources - how long Zeke will remain in Sam - Zeke could leave Sam in 909/910 for all I know or Sam could need Zeke a lot longer. Unless I missed a major spoiler which is possible.

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  50. CyanaT27 November 2013 at 06:19

    And Dean nearly killed Sam with an ax in S&V - Bobby stopped him just in time - yet what Dean did under the Siren's influence is rarely brought up. Sam-on-DB stopped himself - he was displaying dominance, that's all and though it's bad it was part of Sam's 'roided out but calculating characterization when he was under the effects on the DB.

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  51. browniegirl2727 November 2013 at 16:56

    Sigh. Read my post a little further down. This wasn't my attempt to compare and contrast the brothers' violent outbursts. This was me giving an example of Sam being violent with Dean to the poster who wants Sam to beat Dean to a bloody pulp.


    Well, it's rarely brought up because Dean was infected with the Siren's venom, or what ever you call it. Dean and Sam were explicitly given an order by the Siren to basically fight to the death. So in that situation they were both fighting to the death, Dean just so happened to get the upper hand.



    Sam was under the influence of demon blood as a result of his addiction to said demon blood.

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  52. browniegirl2727 November 2013 at 16:59

    I'll keep it simple. Sam had his hands around Dean's neck, squeezing to the point where Dean could barely breathe.

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  53. browniegirl2727 November 2013 at 17:04

    Even if Dean has had sex off screen sometime after season 7, it still doesn't make Dean a sex addict. Which is the point I was making.

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  54. SPN Fickle28 November 2013 at 02:24

    Choking someone out is not "nearly strangling someone to death". Sam has killed quite a bit in his lifetime. If he had wanted Dean dead, Dean would have been dead. Since Dean didn't lose consciousness, he wasn't even choked out. Choking someone out is a common way of dominating someone without permanent damage. That is something a brother might do if he was seriously pissed because his brother intentionally said exactly what was needed to light his fuse.



    I would have to look up the statistics, but I believe it is safer than giving a knockout punch. Now, compare that to someone pummeling someone long after they are unconscious. Was Dean trying to kill Sam? He had threatened it earlier in that episode. If not, then why was Sam trying to kill Dean in your opinion?

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  55. SPN Fickle28 November 2013 at 02:26

    Ah, I should have read farther ahead before posting. It always bothers me when people say that Sam was trying to kill Dean. My sons got into a strangle hold competition one time and it really bothered me, but they got up laughing once one tapped out. Now, they were using their elbows... but still. Choking someone out is not trying to kill them... even though Sam was really mad Dean never even lost consciousness.

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  56. SPN Fickle28 November 2013 at 02:29

    Jared said he's had a lot of time off recently *sigh*...

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  57. SPN Fickle28 November 2013 at 02:35

    So, what would you call a Sam episode besides Sacrifice last year.... and what is your episode of a Sam episode? Having Metatron and Dean discussing Sam's resonating? Just because Dean is talking about Sam that does not make it a Sam episode.

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  58. SPN Fickle28 November 2013 at 02:38

    He said he is happy now. When he looks around him he sees friends and family.

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  59. lala228 November 2013 at 02:58

    Sam is suicidal? Why? B/c of this Zeke thing?
    Man, I obviously have not been keeping up w/the spoilers. I can't imagine Sam being suicidal over this unless - once Zeke is out - Sam returns to his prior sad mental state.

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  60. lala228 November 2013 at 03:00

    Haha! I'm w/you. I don't recall Sam saying much of anything . . . as usual. The most we got from him was this past episode and the dog episode.

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  61. lala228 November 2013 at 03:05

    Why is he in such a dark place?

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  62. lala228 November 2013 at 03:06

    That is confusing me too. I'm not sure why Dean would be in this "dark place." But I just read that Sam was suicidal so I guess he's in a "dark place" too. Hahaha!
    I hope this plays out well!

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  63. lala228 November 2013 at 03:18

    Honestly, Sam is not tied to Dean. If he is upset w/Dean and wishes to leave to gather his thoughts or reflect on the situation, that is his right!
    Why does everyone get so upset for Sam leaving, but rarely get upset w/Dean for randomly punching Sam when Sam does or says something he doesn't like? I can't say it bothers me when Dean punches Sam, but I am also not bothered when Sam leaves but most fans get so angry w/him. It doesn't make any sense.
    Neither brother has to stay w/the other.

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  64. lala228 November 2013 at 03:23

    Yup. Last year, the only episodes I would ever voluntarily re-watch would be ATGB, EHH, T&E, and Prometheus. That's it. The rest are mostly forgettable. For instance, I couldn't tell you what happened in the episode prior to Sacrifice. Heck, I don't even recall the name of the episode. And the only good thing about Sacrifice was the Sam/Dean stuff. The episode, itself, was a jumbled mess.

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  65. tvfan9028 November 2013 at 03:27

    I was talking about Sam leaving because I was afraid it would happen. It's just my opinion that I don't want it to happen again. We have different opinions on that matter, it's fine. Of course Dean punching Sam is wrong, I was so angry with him in season 6 when he did that. He usually always gets physical and it's so wrong. I never said I wasn't upset. I just wasn't discussing that at the moment because we were talking about what we think Sam's reaction would be.

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  66. lala228 November 2013 at 03:43

    I guess we'll be getting more Sam-less episodes then, huh?

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  67. CyanaT28 November 2013 at 03:45

    What irks me more is that "Sam tried to kill Dean" (untrue) is its still being brought up fairly often ~4 1/2 seasons later as if it just happened "yesterday". When you think over the seasons the boys have physically fought each almost every season, sometimes through "not them" or "under the influence of supernatural whatever" versions and sometimes "real them". They're guys and brothers and siblings fight; the Winchesters have just led more brutal lives than most of us.

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  68. lala228 November 2013 at 03:50

    But if Sam doesn't react or leave in some huge way, then there was no point to this entire arc. It will be as pointless as the Amy fiasco. For dramatic purposes, Sam is going to get upset and he may very well leave. I worry if he'll actually be in control of his body though. If Dean is going to "go dark," I just can't see him doing it b/c Sam got upset and left. But I digress . . . .
    I understand your frustration, but I think the show has established the ways the boys handle conflict. Sam tends to leave. Dean tends to hit/punch. They're both in their 30s so I think it is hard to break those habits. We all know they'll find their way back to each other so it's all for naught anyway.

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  69. browniegirl2728 November 2013 at 03:56

    I personally have no problem with Sam leaving. I'm actually looking forward to their upcoming blowout.


    I wouldn't be opposed to more episodes that have them separated, interacting with other people outside of each other. It's an ideal situation for me.

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  70. CyanaT28 November 2013 at 03:56

    I did read it and I just replied to SPN Finkle that the show sets one or more on average situations, supernaturally charged/influence or not approximately every other year to cause the brothers - or just one at times - to wail on the other.

    "Underground spoilers" say Sam will punch Dean at some point after he finds out about Zeke.

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  71. tvfan9028 November 2013 at 03:59

    Yeah, I guess I'm just tired of the same thing happening (if it does). It wouldn't bother me so much if there wasn't all the pointless drama in earlier seasons like the whole Amy thing, like you mentioned. This time the drama actually makes sense, and I wouldn't mind the brothers being at odds if they hadn't tried so hard at making pointless drama and pushing them away before.

    What do you think Carver was referring to last season when he said the brothers would grow and become more mature? This is something I've never really understood.
    Good point, the more I think of it, the more I think Zeke is going to "take over" Sam and leave, going to Metatron and possible killing Kevin. That would lead to a dark place for Dean because it's all on him. But if Zeke takes over, I hope we still get Sam scenes and Zeke doesn't ever let him "resurface".

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  72. tvfan9028 November 2013 at 04:19

    Having them separated for more than one episode and working out both their feelings would be better than the typical one episode and then they're back together, I agree. I really want Sam to interact with some other characters, since Dean is usually the one that gets all the interaction.
    I wish that when they're ready, they'd both talk about their feelings to work things out and come to an understanding, but this is Supernatural. ;)

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  73. CyanaT28 November 2013 at 04:29

    Sorry I couldn't comment before the episode aired but overall I liked it much better than I expected.
    I'm very cautiously leaning toward Dean being the "leaver" this time because he fills guilt for lying to Sam, even if it was to save him, and possibly more extreme guilt if Zeke kills Kevin (crosses fingers against that scenario+++)
    because he brought Sam/Zeke into the bunker, though I'm still not ready to bring out the pitchforks where Zeke's concerned - next episode, maybe.

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  74. lala228 November 2013 at 04:33

    I take it you don't care much for Sam, which is fine. I'm actually a bi-bro fan so I would NOT be in favor of the boys being permanently separated. I watch for the "brotherly bond" and the rare "broment."

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  75. CyanaT28 November 2013 at 04:34

    I'm replying to myself, lol, and I was pleased that Vesta brought Sam's near dead state up to him and Sam did have a poignant conversation with Dean about his health, or ill health. I liked that.

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  76. Donna C28 November 2013 at 04:46

    I don't know, man. Saying he wants Cas back = "I want to build a family with my brother and my brothers from other mothers", puts some words in his mouth.

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  77. Donna C28 November 2013 at 04:48

    I'd like the twist to be a woman that isn't a monster or evil or both. Can't more than two or three women be on this show and not be evil monsters or die? It's ridic at this point.

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  78. Donna C28 November 2013 at 04:49

    That everyone talks about Sam makes him part of the episode. Them's the rules.

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  79. Donna C28 November 2013 at 04:53

    Sam's not allowed to permit suicide. He'd kill himself then Dean would make Zeke bring him back. Sam would be the Jack Harkness of Supernatural then. Except without all of the awesome alien sex.

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  80. Donna C28 November 2013 at 05:00

    If Dean decided to pick up and leave the job one day, most of this fandom wouldn't berate him for it. Since it's been retconned he's secretly hated hunting his entire life, it certainly opens the opportunity for him to do it.

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  81. tvfan9028 November 2013 at 05:05

    That's one thing that HAS been bothering me as of late, these sudden changes to canon, or just flat out forgetting things that were already established.

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  82. Donna C28 November 2013 at 05:08

    Reminds me when the producers/writers of LOST said to forget everything you saw on the show in the first three seasons because none of it was relevant to what was going on in seasons 4, 5 and 6. Esp. season 6. Canon? We don't need no stinking canon!

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  83. tvfan9028 November 2013 at 05:12

    That's insane! I never watched the show and didn't know this!
    I get that the show has been for so many years that things are bound to get mixed up and whatnot, but I can't believe some of the stuff that gets accepted into the scripts when the fans pick up on it right away.

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  84. isleofskye28 November 2013 at 07:56

    My younger son finished watching Sacrifice the other night on the DVD and when the credits came up after the angels falling, he looked over at me as if to say, that's it? That's the season finale?


    I get it; after being used to one or other of the bros being dragged off to Hell, Purgatory, the Cage or freeing Lucifer, a couple of crappy angels falling from heaven isn't particularly heart-stoppping.


    As for thre rest of s8, even he who never goes on-line for Spn stuff, recognised a series of irrational mistakes in canon!
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    The episode prior to Sacrifice was Clip Show and I only remember because I recently sat an watched it with the above son. The only memorable thing (but in negative! ) is the killing of poor Sarah!

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  85. SPN Fickle28 November 2013 at 14:19

    So, you are one of those people that think that In the Beginning was all about Sam because of the "You must stop it" or the deal at the end?

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  86. lala228 November 2013 at 16:13

    Ahhh . . . yes. That episode sucked, didn't it? Why didn't they bring back Amelia and off her? Sarah was minding her business and hadn't hurt anyone.

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  87. kerinda28 November 2013 at 16:24

    YES! hey lets have a change let Sam get so mad that he punch out Dean for once that be awesome. insted of leaving and when Sam leave why is it we only get to see dean doing stuff but not Sam like in season 7 tell me that.

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  88. browniegirl2730 November 2013 at 17:09

    You're a bi-bro fan and yet you only talk about Sam and complain about his lack of POV. Uh huh.

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  89. lala230 November 2013 at 18:17

    Yeah? And?

    Did it ever occur to you that I might not have any problems with Dean or the way he's written or the stories he's been given? Dean fans aren't a monolithic group that ALL feel one way. I've never been a "Dean needs a mytharc" fan. I just haven't. For the most part, I think Dean has been well written on this show, and for me, emotional POV is more important than the mytharc. So, yes, I will complain more about Sam because I feel he needs more POV. DEAN gets plenty of POV, so I'm usually don't have complaints with him.

    I did complain about the lack of story for Dean in the second half of last year towards the end because he wasn't doing anything. I complained then because I actually felt it was a problem. I object when I have a problem. I don't have any issues with the writing for Dean so you won't find me complaining about him.

    Now, you may have all these issues with the writing for Dean, which is fine, but just because I do not, that doesn't make me any less of a Dean fan. I hate the idea that all Sam fans must feel this way, or all Dean fans have to feel this way. We are all different people with different thoughts.

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  90. lala230 November 2013 at 20:51

    I actually like that the boys react differently to stuff. I like that Sam doesn't punch Dean. If he did, I'd think something was really off with him.

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  91. lala230 November 2013 at 20:53

    I completely agree that he would not be slammed for leaving. Heck, some have been itching for him to ditch Sam since S1. Haha!

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  92. kerinda1 December 2013 at 00:31

    yes but I do not want to see him run off again and we only gets Dean POV and then he bumps into Sam and we do not even know what Sam did all that time like in season 7 and that pissed me off. I hate that season and half of season 8. I want Sam to stay there and get so mad that he findlly snaps and goes alittle crazy and kick Dean's ass for ones without the DB back in season 4 just snaps that's it because he got his right to Die takeing away from him and his free will takeing so I be pissed too and then go away to calm down for a few Ep and then talk about it but that will never happen.

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  93. Donna C1 December 2013 at 01:24

    Honest to God, I don't even remember what that episode was about.

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  94. lala21 December 2013 at 15:06

    Yeah . . . that's not good. I am never very hopeful that we'll get Sam POV no matter what happens.

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  95. SPN Fickle1 December 2013 at 18:30

    That's the episode where Sam is in it for 40 seconds... Just enough time to drive off with Ruby. Then the rest of the episode is Dean is sent to the past because he has to stop "it". When he runs into young John and Mary, he thinks he can stop Mary from dying... But nope. The episode was a great bit of background about the family history, but only Dean needed to take this trip.

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  96. Donna C1 December 2013 at 23:34

    Ooohhh. Aside from As Time Goes By from last season, I've hated SPN doing time traveling. When the ep you mentioned aired, I was still in my YAY DEAN mode, so I wasn't considering how much Sam was in the episode at the time. I haven't rewatched it but once since, which was done about two days after it first aired, so I have no perspective on it outside of my YAY DEAN glasses. But I was really kidding when I made the original comment. Cause it seems like Sam's the center of the show's universe simply because people talk about him.

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