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Dracula - 1.02 - A Whiff of Sulfur - Best Scene Poll

2 Nov 2013

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19 comments:

  1. Dahne2 November 2013 at 21:24

    While Lady Jane is the best character, I chose the flashback that explained the unlikely alliance of Van Helsing and Dracula. My least favorite part was the anachronistic moralizing by a creature centuries older than even Victorian London. Seriously, anti-big oil, pro-gay rights, pro-women's rights. This is Victorian England by the way of modern Hollywood. And people complain about the historical innaccuracies in Reign!

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  2. Laurent Derré2 November 2013 at 22:46

    The flashback is my favorite scene too but I do not really like Dracula. I give it two more episodes but that is all. The plot is quite confusing and sometimes it is really bad written... For example, Lord Laurent's secret is to be "gay" but if Jonathan knows, most of people must know too... I mean, for the time, a gay club must be something shocking and a man like a lord would never go to a place like that! So the blackmail was quite over the top and ridiculous... Dracula reminds me Revenge and not in a good way (even if I really like Revenge).

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  3. Dahne2 November 2013 at 23:52

    I will likely drop it before you then. For me the fact that Lord Laurent was in a gay club is not as bothersome as the fact that Mina got into a closed carriage with Dracula alone. Gay clubs did exist and the nobility did frequent them, although this affair seems to be an open secret with the press knowing about it, as you said. However, Mina getting into that carriage would ruin any chance she had at being a doctor if the wrong person saw. Prostitutes got into men's carriages alone, not young women who already wanted to break custom and be a doctor. Mina's reputation would have to be sterling to get into the school and even then it would be a stretch. Kissing men in public and getting into a man's carriage alone would get her booted from medical school on a morals clause. No one as driven as Mina seems to be would ever risk it.

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  4. Rjupiter3 November 2013 at 00:04

    I agree, being gay and clubs of this nature were around but Lord Laurent seemed a bit too obvious about. I could tell even before the big "reveal" in the club.

    Also I have taken issue with some of the cloths wore in the show not being entirely period but this is more with the two semi main characters Jen and Lady Jane, they seem to be wanting to set them apart from what could tend to be the otherwise bland dressing of that period.
    The carriage thing stuck out to me as well and there is not way a single lady would get into one of a man she didn't know but I was seeing this as part of the plot. How she seems drawn to Grayson, has dreams about burning alive as his previous wife, etc.... that whether she is conscious of it or not she is drawn to him and in turn does mildly reckless things, such as the carriage scene.

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  5. Dahne3 November 2013 at 00:23

    I agree that the Laurent thing was way too obvious. I predicted it and Dracula's anachronistic response to it in my live tweets. No real twist there since they pretty much announced it with a neon sign. In the pilot I had issues with the way Lucy was dressed at the ball. Glad to know that I am not the only one who found some of the costuming suspect. While I understand the Lady Jane: Vampire Hunter look, it is a little disconcerting the clothes she wears in public. I agree that they are trying to make her stand out and since she and Harker are the only characters I currently like, I give her a bit more of a pass, fairly or unfairly. As for the carriage, while I understand it from a plot point - Dracula getting alone time with his reincarnated love - it did not work for me from a character standpoint, even if she did feel drawn to him. Maybe it is because she also kissed Harker in public, and on top of that he is not her husband or fiance. Both things do not jive with the serious medical student they also make Mina out to be. They need to pick one because playing it both ways means the character is failing in both as well.

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  6. Rjupiter3 November 2013 at 00:42

    true,in many respects, but we also have to realize this show is not something like Downtown Abby. while it is playing in the Victorian sandbox it is also setting up its own alt-history. I mean it is a show about vampires, reincarnated love interests with basically steampunk elements thrown in. (they make Grayson seems also like a pass off for Tesla with the Edison comment in the Pilot)
    so in all honesty, and this being an NBC production, I am surprised they got it as decent as they did. I was in no way expecting historical accuracy.

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  7. Dahne3 November 2013 at 01:01

    To be honest, I know less about the Victorian era than most history because I am less interested in it, so there are probably a lot of historical inaccuracies that I am not aware of and even more that don't bother me. What does bother me a lot though is applying modern political correctness and thinking to a Victorian world and especially with a member of the lesser royalty from centuries before that. It feels like they are cramming a modern message in a time when such ideas would be scandalous. It does not serve the setting or the characters for me and always takes me completely out of the story. Dracula the progressive thinker makes me want to throw things at my TV.

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  8. Rjupiter3 November 2013 at 01:55

    am not sure what you are implying by "lesser royalty" do you mean because they are tying him to the Romanian prince Vlad? if so how is that "lesser" because he is Romanian and not strictly from British European stock? The British hardly invented the idea of Royalty. I understand you are seeing it as "political correctness" but in reality he is roughly 400+ Vampire who has seen the dearth of humanity and no matter how you dress it up or down it is the same. there really is nothing new under the sun when it comes to the human animal and given the nature of the man, the amount of people he has killed and debauchery he has been a part of it all must seem like old hat at even this point in time.
    yes, they are kind of cramming a message but it is hardly without precedent that people stood up for moral causes, for example the abolitionists in America etc.. But I agree the anti-oil thing is obvious and eye-rolling. they should focus more on the mythos and fantastical elements and less on pushing a backhanded political agenda masking as a plot device.

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  9. Detectivexo3 November 2013 at 02:58

    Definitely Lady Jane and Dracula's love scene, the way he saw himself with Mina was priceless

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  10. NiceGuyVan3 November 2013 at 03:55

    This show is too good, I like the cable like show vibe, slow paced but good quality.

    Like how Dracula is good to Mina.

    Van Helsing and Dracula pairing is awesome, they work well together. I liked their meeting a lot.

    Lady Jane too I like how she is a tracker of Vampires but still pulled in by lust towards Dracula.

    Its funny how Mina was all upset with Harker view on her being a doctor, and which she should be. But I want to know what makes her go marry me take me to Harker in the future, what we saw in the promos.

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  11. Dahne3 November 2013 at 04:04

    I'm sorry. I didn't mean to insult you and I obviously did. I don't buy that Dracula would be a modern day progressive because he lived that long. I think the opposite would be more true. We will have to agree to disagree.

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  12. Dahne3 November 2013 at 04:05

    I think something either scared her or upset her into thinking she wanted to marry Harker but I cannot imagine what that would be, especially the way this one ended. It almost has to be because of Dracula though.

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  13. Dahne3 November 2013 at 04:06

    I'm actually more creeped out by that. This is the second time he has gotten with Lady Jane while either watchign Mina or dreaming about her.

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  14. Rjupiter3 November 2013 at 05:12

    nope, wasn't offended I just thought it was a possibility as I never underestimate the motivations of humans. I get what you are saying just providing a possible counterpoint to how it could be seen or how the writers might be seeing it.
    but then I have read a lot of history, biographies etc.. and got degrees in it so this type of Hollywood revisionism is just expected and doesn't bother me. They are trying to tell a fantasy story not recount history accurately, this not the Tudors or John Adams etc... If they were I would have more issues with it.

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  15. Rjupiter3 November 2013 at 05:17

    I don't care for Lady Jane, her fighting and bravado is pretty terrible, but he is sublimating his desire with her and it goes to the psychology of the character and well least we forget he is not a good guy.

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  16. rehabber3 November 2013 at 10:55

    I don't like shows that go all PC, I watch to be entertained, not preached to, so for all the things you listed I don't think I will stay with this show as much as I LOVE vampire shows. I am giving it one more ep to bring me in, but won't hold my breath. Don't really like any of the characters, feel kind of like I did for Secret Circle...meh.

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  17. Dahne3 November 2013 at 14:21

    It is frustrating because it does feel like I am being preached to. Plus like you I don't feel for any of the characters, except an increasing sense of boredom. Even Lady Jane wasn't as cool this episode as the last. Well except the head cutting at the end. That was still cool. Right now, I am counting down the weeks until Crossbones replaces Dracula. Here's hoping we like that one better. I am still glad that they have paired Grimm with something that matches more. I just wish it was something with a bit more action.

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  18. rehabber3 November 2013 at 15:51

    I stopped watching Harry's Law because the 3 eps I watched that is all they did...preach.

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  19. Rjupiter3 November 2013 at 20:44

    or if you know a little history you would know that the topics they bring up are basically in line to what was going on. the fight over oil, with things like Rockefeller and Standard Oil vs the idea of a new way to power things, Electricity with Edison and Tesla, is not being that "PC" and "Preachy" but a reality of the time. Guess what, people back then had issues that we deal with today and talking about oil is really not all that new. some people thought it was evil then like it was in the 80s with the energy crisis. (and sky rocking oil prices) as it is today. I guess it is only is preachy if you don't know much history.
    I can fully understand not liking the characters, I have issue with Mina's friend and Lady Jane myself and there is some waffling that I wish wasn't there. it is not a perfect show.

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