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Arrow - Season 2 - New Promo

2 Oct 2013

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43 comments:

  1. Babar Suhail2 October 2013 at 17:41

    There are really trying to please the Olicity shippers.

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  2. Isa C.2 October 2013 at 17:43

    lol - gotta love Felicity !! :p

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  3. lolabunnie2 October 2013 at 17:49

    Love!! This season looks like it's going to be really good! I can't wait until next week

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  4. Thomas2 October 2013 at 17:54

    The amount of Olicity/Felicity pandering is uncomfortable. Too many shows have gone south because of stuff like this. They focus on a few loud shippers and then forget about everything else.

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  5. Chalice932 October 2013 at 18:01

    Way too much Olicity.

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  6. Aydrian2 October 2013 at 18:02

    A few loud shippers? lol yeah, this is a really small ship. >.>

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  7. Anabak2 October 2013 at 18:03

    WOW!!!!Olicity is ON!!!!!!

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  8. Aydrian2 October 2013 at 18:04

    Wow that was quite cold, Laurel. Way to stab a guy in the heart.

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  9. Aydrian2 October 2013 at 18:08

    Just for the record, Olicity shippers aren't doing a damn thing. It's actually kind of annoying how people think we're pushing for it to happen. We would like to see it happen, but if you spent more than two minutes on tumblr or pretty much anywhere that Olicity is discussed, you'll see that most of us aren't in any hurry.

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  10. DarkForgottenLostEvil8.5Doctor2 October 2013 at 18:17

    I don't mind them addressing the "Olicity" option, as I do think there is some logic to it. Felicity's very attractive and much more available to Oliver at the moment than Laurel, and it would seem weird for him to completely ignore her in a romantic sense when they're working together so much. That being said, if they wind up sleeping together simply to please the shippers, then break up predictably so Oliver can get back with Laurel, I'm not going to be pleased. (Clana, anyone?) If Oliver's meant to be with Laurel, then Olicity isn't worth wasting a lot of time on. They should focus on improving Laurel's character instead. She's not essentially an uninteresting character, but Felicity is much more enjoyable and steals the spotlight from her easily. (Part of the problem is that Laurel doesn't have the greatest sense of humor.)

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  11. InvestedInYourFuture2 October 2013 at 18:42

    PREACH IT.



    I am really fearful of the quality of S2 now.



    CW is VERY MUCH known for ruining their shows via fan-pandering(case in point Supernatural and Vampire Diaries, which, while vampire diaries went into trainwreck territory by itself, fan pandering to certain crackship killed that show)

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  12. Aydrian2 October 2013 at 18:53

    It's like everyone just automatically forgets, or in many cases doesn't know, all the information that has already been released. All that has been announced is that Oliver and Felicity become closer. That's it!

    I know for a fact that if they released a video focusing on Oliver and Laurel, people wouldn't be reacting like this. Olicity has become everyone's favorite pre-scapegoat if the season turns out to be anything less than spectacular.

    Mark my words, if there is anything wrong with this season people are going to blame Olicity. Even if it doesn't has a thing to do with them.

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  13. Ron2 October 2013 at 18:53

    Oh God Felicity and Oliver <3

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  14. Bruce_F2 October 2013 at 20:51

    Damn there's a lot of reactionary bitching in here. I will at this point remind the thread that promos are the territory of the CW promotional department and are not done by the people who run Arrow.

    The CW is known for their inconsistent and mostly subpar promotion and any pandering here is done by the network and not the people responsible for the program.

    I sincerely doubt that the proportion of Oliver / Felicity content in this advert is reflective of the amount of focus there will be in the show itself. This is clearly a targeted ad by the network to motivate and build excitement for those viewers interested in these two characters. Unless the content of the show turns out to closely resemble the content of this ad then there's really nothing to bitch about.

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  15. Thomas2 October 2013 at 21:55

    Of course not. Oliver and Laurel have been the show's couple since the first episode. Of course they're going to get more focus than something like Olicity. So why would be react the same way? That's just stupid.

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  16. Graydon2 October 2013 at 22:09

    If that's true, that's different from the shippers of couples like Charah or Caskett. (No offence to those guys, Caskett in particular was really drawn out).

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  17. Aydrian2 October 2013 at 22:10

    Wow, good job not paying attention. Did you read any of the comments sections last season? Or visit any forums whatsoever? The Oliver and Laurel ship is very small, and in an interview Stephen himself said that he was told that Olver and Laurel are in no way a sure thing.

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  18. Aydrian2 October 2013 at 22:12

    It is true. Go check out the Olicity tumblr page. People are really excited about it but very few of us are in any hurry to see it happen. We're like the most laid back shippers ever.

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  19. Victoria Llanos2 October 2013 at 22:18

    I think the point here is that many shows have gone down the gutter because they pay too much atention to ships. In the end a ship won't save the show, no matter the size of the fanbase. Now if they focus on decent character development and storylines instead of on couples that may or may not work out, then they're on the right path.

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  20. Aydrian2 October 2013 at 22:35

    I don't disagree, but some people can't accept the fact that it television is a business, and they always have to focus on what brings people to their shows. There's a very good reason why a lot of spoiler questions usually involve a relationship on a show, and there's a very good reason why shows take time to focus on it.


    How many people do you think are going to stop watching NCIS now that the Tiva ship has sunk? Enough to hurt the show? I doubt it. But there will be a difference.


    As for Arrow, a lot of people got bored of Olver and Laurel almost immediately, and then Felicity was introduced and she was cute and nerdy and extremely awkward and had great chemistry with Oliver and people became so fixated on her that she was made a regular. That's kind of a big deal. That doesn't happen very often.



    And that's why the show is focusing on it. Felicity was an unexpected and very well liked surprise, and right now the Olicity fandom is easily one of the biggest on the show. Of course people will argue about that, but it's true.


    Did people forget about Castle? In season one things were flirty and fairly laid back between Castle and Beckett, then it went from 0-100 when season 2 aired. Then a lot of promos and spoilers and discussions started to become about them.


    People don't gif stories, they don't spam long discussions about how the stories are being written, or at least not to the extent of the shippers, and they get more excited about what happens between the characters than plot developments.


    That isn't a bad thing. People like to see characters connect, whether in a good or bad way, and THEN watch how those connections drive the story forward. Right now, people are enjoying watching Oliver and Felicity connect. Sooner or later, that focus will shift to another couple, and then another.


    The fact that people think the story will be ruined because of that is ridiculous. The story exists because of these connections, not in spite of it.

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  21. NiceGuyVan3 October 2013 at 01:19

    She is the light comedy in a serious show. I welcome it.

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  22. Victoria Llanos3 October 2013 at 03:28

    Oh no, I don't think the story will be ruined if Olicity comes to pass, I may not ship them as a couple, but I do love Felicity's akward remarks, so it's not like I'm against it, it's just that Arrow does couples so badly that the last thing I want is for them to ruin a wonderful character to please a portion of the fandom that will never be pleased to begin with.
    And yes, the characters "connections", as you put it, drive a storyline but unfortunately that's not what happens with couples unless the idea is for the show to become more soapy, which is why it works for B&B and why I doubt it will work for Arrow. TBH the only way Olicity works is if it happens way down the line, because I don't see TPTB putting them together and keeping them that way, I don't think it goes with the dynamic of the show.

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  23. Dahne3 October 2013 at 04:05

    I really do not like this promo. It is strictly about a pseudo love triangle and that is exactly what Arrow does NOT need. Both Laurel and Felicity need to define themselves beyond just their relationship with Oliver...and apparently his abs. Bah! Epic fail CW. Go watch the UK promo. That's how it is done.

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  24. Dahne3 October 2013 at 04:07

    The online component of ANY TV show is also a minute percentage so yes, online shippers of either Oliver/Felicity or Oliver/Laurel ARE a minority. Writers should tell their story and stop pandering to the online crowd which is unlikely to be a composite of the overall fan.

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  25. Aydrian3 October 2013 at 04:38

    And those people who are a part of the offline fanbase don't actually do anything constructive for the show. Numbers are not feedback, you can't get an opinion from a number. You can analyze those numbers and the demographics, even see what the audience likes and dislikes based on sudden drops and rises in viewers, but whether or not a show is good is not so easily defined that way. It's notoriously unreliable.


    Or they can go to social media websites and get a more definitive answer. Besides, it's not as big of a deal as people are making it out to be. If the vocal minority had anywhere near the same level of pull as the non-vocal majority, then a lot less really good shows would be getting canceled while rehashed cop dramas somehow thrive.


    On a similar note, about half a dozen big ships ended this year. Maybe more since I'm very selective about what I watch. I'm sure there is a lot more to come. So far, nearly every show I've watched that could be considered "pandering" to the online crowd has done a very good job of destroying those ships not soon after they sail.


    So this pandering you're talking about, I just don't see it.

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  26. dwhite873 October 2013 at 04:45

    LMAO @ the Olicity bitching here. All I see is a bunch of haters fooling themselves to believe Olicity fans are pushing for it when actually Olicity fans and shippers are taking their time and enjoying what they get with no rush. If you don't like Olicity or you if you ship lackluster/chemistry-dry Laurel/Oliver, find a better argument to rant about because your lies about the Olicity fandom aren't flying. The "but the comics!" argument is also dumb. The show wasn't made as an homage to comic book readers, it's a television show made to please a broader audience and the writers will invest in what works with the audience, which is not fan pandering, it's the nature of television writing. Changes were made for the adaptation to television and changes will continue to get made. GET.OVER.IT.

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  27. dwhite873 October 2013 at 04:47

    It's not pandering because I don't see fans harrassing the writers or begging for it. I'm an active member of the Olicity fandom and I never saw anyone begging the writers for it. We are taking our time and enjoying what we het, while watching their atural chemistry grow, and since it's something that works, the writers are naturally exploring it. Find a better argument.

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  28. dwhite873 October 2013 at 04:49

    They probably were supposed to at first, but not anymore. The actors are thought by most of the fandom to lack chemistry. The writers won't go for it just because of the comics. This is an adaptation made from a comic book, ot a 100% retelling of it.

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  29. dwhite873 October 2013 at 04:50

    LOL you're always rumbling about fanpandering when you're the one doing it by posting your rants in every post. You hate on Olicity more than Olicity fans actually ask and beg for it. Ridiculous.

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  30. dwhite873 October 2013 at 04:54

    What's unbearable is your constant whining, to be honest. I don't see Olicity fans bothering anyone or claiming that Oliver and Felicity are OTP, especially here on STV. While the likes of you are constantly bitching about how Laurel is a big character in the comics and should get big storylies. Oh, the irony and audacity! You're the one being aggressive and pushy, just look at your comments. And I'm sorry to break it to you, but Olicity fans are far more than "some", unlike the Laurel stans hiding behind their hate for fan favorite characters.

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  31. Dahne3 October 2013 at 05:17

    3 million fans, the vast majority of which are not online, are Nielsen fans. They are the only people whose opinion matters and they voice their opinion by turning the show off.

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  32. Aydrian3 October 2013 at 05:29

    Isn't that the same ratings system that has been heavily criticized for being flawed?

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  33. Aydrian3 October 2013 at 08:27

    It seems kind of silly to say they have to depend on a flawed ratings system, and then criticize them when they also use an online component to get a more focused opinion.

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  34. Back In Black Tricksteress 953 October 2013 at 12:45

    I just finished watching the season and its so rare for me to genuinely like tv series thoroughly but I was automatically hooked onto it and I'm not even going to wait legally for to watch it lol. Looking forward to seeing it again.

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  35. Morrigan_25753 October 2013 at 15:05

    Charah? What's that from? I'm guessing Caskett is Castle? I don't watch that show, so I have no idea what the shippers are like. However, no matter the shows there's always going to be shippers and some will always be crazy (on every side).


    For Arrow, I haven't seen any shipper campaigns (from either side). I did see Laurel/Katie fans were planning a campaign to get the writers to give her more story-lines/screen time but I don't know if they ever got that off the ground. IIRC it was supposed to correspond with the season premiere. Anyone see anything about that online?

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  36. Thomas3 October 2013 at 16:24

    Stop. It is pandering. The majority of the marketing for season two has been nothing but Felicity/Olicity pandering. From the cast photo with her at the front to the Felicity vs. Laurel promo that was 95% Felicity to the episodes stills being mostly Felicity. That's all pandering. I'm sorry that you're too emerged in your Felicity/Olicity bubble to see things clearly.


    Also, ever heard the phrase, "If it's not broke, don't fix it."? Because you and other keep talking about how Felicity/Olicity is currently working. So why exactly is it smart for the writers to change that?


    Shoving Felicity down non-Felicity fans throats is just going to turn them off. And constantly hinted at a romance between Oliver and Felicity is just going to give those shippers expectations. Ones that the writers might not be willing to deliver on. (See: Sterek from Teen Wolf) The promo alone had several Olicity moments. If the writers aren't actually planning to go there, it's just going to get those shippers worked up. They'll be expecting pay-off, when really they're just being led on.


    And their are fans begging the writers because there's always fans begging writers.

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  37. Thomas3 October 2013 at 16:25

    You really don't know what pandering is, do you?

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  38. Thomas3 October 2013 at 16:34

    And the internet is accurate? I can make 15 Twitter accounts and constantly
    spam the writers with all of them on a daily basis. Pretending to be 15 people at once. That's just one voice pretending to be multiple and is in no way an accurate reflection on how the majority really feels.


    Also, why do a few loud people demanding something, deserve to get what they want? Why do the deserve it more than other people who are doing the same thing? Or what about the people who watch the show how it is and like it that way so they aren't demanding anything? Eff them? Do they not count because they're not loudly voicing their opinion?

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  39. Graydon3 October 2013 at 22:55

    Charah is Chuck and Sarah from Chuck. Their shippers can a little enthusiastic, for example during season 3 after an episode Chuck vs. the Mask several shippers declared that viewers should boycott the show in an attempt to force the writers to put Chuck and Sarah together.

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  40. Morrigan_25753 October 2013 at 23:17

    Ah OK. I watched Chuck in S1 but lost interest. I've been seeing the same type of attitude from Tiva shippers ever since Cote DeP decided to leave the show. Hated for the slow and producers, predicting the death if the show without Tiva/Ziva, etc.

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  41. Bruce_F4 October 2013 at 00:24

    Oh boy. Dahne, I know that you're extremely weary of triangles and 'shipping in general (as am I for the most part) but I have to say that your grievances in the context of a thirty second CW promo are way, way off base.


    - What The CW chooses to focus on promoting and what the content of the series contains aren't necessarily in synch, especially on The CW where promotion being shoddy and/or deceptive is the norm.
    - The job of defining a character in or apart from a relationship is the job of the show itself and not the network. Their job is to motivate current viewers to keep tuning in and try their best to add new ones. The promo department's focus has never been what the content of a series does or does not need.

    - If this promo isn't one's cup of tea, The CW has produced many others that have a completely different focus. This ad in no way defines what the upcoming season will be like. (I know that you didn't claim such a thing but there are others who erroneously seem to think so.)
    - The UK promo would have been okay a year ago but isn't a good use of ad time for a returning series. If Arrow was still an upcoming series that hadn't debuted yet, the UK spot would have made a solid teaser promo. That, however, is not the case. We're all waiting on season two and that promo offers absolutely nothing for current viewers and gives nothing tangible to potential new ones.


    Regardless of anyone's feelings on the nature of the relationships of these characters, this promo does its job well. This ad was all over the 'net yesterday and wherever it was posted the topic was talked to death, as it was here. For some it got their hearts racing and for others it got their blood boiling. Either way, it got people talking and many of those people are even more motivated to watch than before. That's what a good promo does. Rant over. Thanks for bearing with me.

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  42. Graydon4 October 2013 at 00:51

    I get that, I loved the show it's not for everyone. Seriously? That's ridiculous.

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  43. marpar4 October 2013 at 21:12

    You know, there are quite a few "Olicity" twitter accounts like "Smoak&Arrow", which are tweeting 24/7 about their "non-ship", at the rate of one tweet every 20 minutes.....which seems like a pretty "pushy" attitude to me! Likewise, there are posters on youtube who seem to only go online in order to post demeaning comments about Laurel and Katie C. on every friggin' "Arrow" video! Despite all this "pushing" and "prodding", I predict that the chances of "Olicity" ever happening are pretty slim, and that all this "ship tease" is just tease, rather than any groundwork for a serious Oliver/Felicity romance.


    So, as the seasons progress and the chances of "Olicity" ever happening diminishes, the "oliciters" will probably become as pathetic and obnoxious as the "Chloisers" and "Clark/Chloe" shippers of the "Smallville" fandom, who thought that if they bashed Lois/Erica Durance enough the showrunners would retcon the whole Superman mythology and fullfill their shipper dreams of making Chloe Lois Lane! If you want to see some REAL aggresiveness, bitterness and bitching, I suggest that you read the following threads. I think they will give you a pretty good idea where the "oliciters" will end up after a few seasons of "Olicity no happen":


    http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/topic/2144045-an-open-letter-to-the-powers-that-be/

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