This was posted by Guy Norman Bee
Update: 29th June A number of people have reported that the title is fake as reported by Jim Michaels. It's NOT. It's the title that's currently on the script and the name that has been sent to Audition Houses and Casting Agents. However, Supernatural has been known to change their Episode Titles before it airs so it could change.
Note: It may also be they are filming out of order and 9.01 might not actually be the premiere
To show you what is sent out to Casting Agents here is a redacted screenshot of the casting call.
The Season 9 Premiere of Supernatural will be called "Devil May Care".
It will feature Tracy a gorgeous bad-ass Hunter, and Irv, a manly Hunter who is an old friend of the Winchesters.
Source: SpoilerTV
It will feature Tracy a gorgeous bad-ass Hunter, and Irv, a manly Hunter who is an old friend of the Winchesters.
Source: SpoilerTV
Ooh, interesting title. Lucifer aain?
ReplyDeleteOMG!! I'm so excited!!! :)
ReplyDeleteI think it's more a reference to Crowley being almost cured! :D
ReplyDeleteGreat tittle and another female hunter on the show, thank you, I miss the blond Ruby from season 3.
ReplyDeletePLEASE TELL ME LUCIFER IS NOT BACK FOR SAM :'O I don't want things to lead to "THE END"
ReplyDeleteGood title! Here's hoping Tracy doesn't die.
ReplyDeleteGreat title! Hoping Tracy is 1.) Not a love interest and 2.) Doesn't die!
ReplyDeletePlease tell me it's not another love interest.
ReplyDeleteOh that makes sense and eases my mind!THANK YOU FOR THINKING IT.
ReplyDeleteWhere do all these never-before-have-I-ever-heard-of-them old hunter friends always suddenly come from?
ReplyDeleteAGREED!We have more serious matters to attend to!Like the angels falling,Cas being human,SAM DYING,Metatron pulling the strings and Crowley being almost exorcized,No space for that ESPECIALLY in 9x01.
ReplyDeletewriters' lack of immaginaton? :p
ReplyDeletePlease DON"T let the "gorgeous badass hunter" be a love interest. I'm sick of the writers shoving that storyline down our throats again and again. Let a woman be a cool character in her own right without having to be a piece of a** for men to drool over.
ReplyDeleteI hope we get to know Tracey before anything happens.
ReplyDeleteI also kind of wish women didn't have to be described as "gorgeous" in their description, implying that's the reason they're on the show.
That's very clever.
ReplyDeleteThat doesn't bother me. They've been in this life since they were kids, there's lots of people they'd know that they don't talk about/we don't see.
ReplyDeleteAnd don't write her based on a man, which means when it doesn't work out, there's nothing left.
ReplyDeleteI also hope she isn't called "bitch" or "whore."
I hope that Tracy will be like Jo or Ellen or Pamela. Strong, bad-ass women, who doesn't have to be love interest.
ReplyDeleteLOL why is it that every single time a female character is announced, every comment is about people feeling threatened by the mere idea that she might hook up with one of the guys? Why not "awesome! So glad we're getting a badass female hunter on the show!"
ReplyDeleteI hope Tracy is a WoC. It would be great to have a WoC character who is "badass" as there haven't been any since Kali.
ReplyDeleteSome people have a problem with new hunters being old friends of the Winchesters? You know they've been hunting for decades right? They've introduced "old hunter friends" pretty much every season expect Season 6, which was when the last remaining Campbells were introduced.
ReplyDeleteIf she's a love interest, great, but women introduced to be love interests fail horribly on this show because they exist for no other purpose. That's why I'm wary. Any woman on this show as a love interest tends to be reduced to manpain and written out soon after.
ReplyDeleteIntroducing her as "gorgeous" makes me raise an eyebrow for several reasons, one of them being that this is implying that's her main purpose on the show - eye candy. Why can't she just be a bad-ass hunter, and then if she's gorgeous, we find this out when the episode airs? Why is this announced?
I liked Portia, in the familiar episode, but the writing was so, so bad otherwise.
ReplyDeleteBecause it's usually only a cheap way to get one of the guys in a sex scene with someone who means nothing to most fans. I'd rather see action & the guys fighting monsters. The show should have matured by now. I know I have as a fan.
ReplyDeleteI think this is description is taken from the casting call for the episode.The writers just indicating to casting they want a gorgeous woman that can play a bad-ass for the role.
ReplyDeleteBut nowhere in this article is she introduced as a love interest (as opposed to someone like Amelia, who's entire purpose was to be the love interest and was introduced as such). The fact that people's first reaction is "Keep her vagina away from the boys!" just seems to be telling.
ReplyDeleteAlso, the male character is described as "manly" so they both have physical descriptors attached to them that obviously come from the casting notices
thank you
ReplyDeleteI like the action & monster-fighting as well and am not here for romance of any kind, but why is it a big deal if they have a sex scene every now and again? I mean, it's not a show about monks lol
ReplyDeleteI find them sexier when they're out fighting monsters, not rolling around with women that I couldn't care less about. It's a part of their lives I have no interest in seeing. I'd rather screen time be given to them actually winning a fight against the bad guys.
ReplyDeleteHey guys...Is this official??Because the WinchesterBros say it's just a rumor... :S
ReplyDeleteTrue, but they don't say something like "manly and attractive", for his role. Or "manly and unattractive." They don't take his physical appearance into consideration.
ReplyDeleteI think people see "gorgeous" and assume that she is there to be a love interest.
I don't mind the sex scenes but the way they're done can sometimes be strange or unappealing (especially Dean's last sex scene, with the murder sequence). The last one I really enjoyed was Dean and Cassie.
ReplyDeleteI just want to make sure the woman is there for her own merits, not as someone for the guys to have sex with. I think the show can have a woman who is many things and one of them just happens to be a love interest.
I doubt she'll be a WoC, but that would be nice!
ReplyDeletePlease don't make "Tracy" another love interest nobody wants!!!!
ReplyDeleteI don't think so, but then again... it is almost 2014 :o
ReplyDeleteIt's a casting notice so "manly" is very much an appearance descriptor. Irv is likely supposed to be the "rugged and macho" type of hunter (instead of pretty boys like J2) and Tracy is supposed to be attractive because (lets be honest) this is still the CW and 90% of their casting goes in that direction lol.
ReplyDeleteBut that's you. Lots of other people appreciate some eye candy now and again and wouldn't mind a good shirtless scene. I mean, it's the CW and they know their audience.
ReplyDeleteGUYS IT'S ALL FAKE ;'( Jim told me so. https://twitter.com/angelicdemon174/status/350768705434697729
ReplyDeleteThe assumption that a female character can't both be awesome and have a sexual relationship with a guy is kind of disturbing. Does a female character having sex with someone negate the rest of their character? And why isn't anyone holding ol' Irv up to these pre-determined standards of characterization before they've seen even a second of him?
ReplyDeleteI am sorry guys but Jim said this is incorrect!
ReplyDeleteAll I see is Jim saying the title is incorrect. Is the rest of it fake too?
ReplyDeleteIs it bad I'm kind of hoping Tracy is the love interest for Charlie????
ReplyDeleteAdam needs to be back!! He is a Winchester!!
ReplyDeleteNot in the slightest. Especially considering how badly the boy's relationships go. She sounds like a good match for Charlie.
ReplyDeleteJim Michael's recently answered a tweet from a fan and said this info is not correct,
ReplyDeletePeople, or at least I, am not threatened by the idea that one of the boys could have a love interest. It has more to do with the fact none of the love interests have any staying power. Besides, a lot of us would like another female character like Ellen or Jo or Pamela who might be introduced because of her relationship with one of the main characters but not tethered to that relationship like Ruby eventually became.
ReplyDeleteManly is a behavior. Gorgeous is a physical descriptor.
ReplyDeleteI love when the boys have a roll in the hay even with women never to be seen again but the hope for Tracy is that she can be *more* than just a booty call. Maybe even another ally since they have lost so many.
ReplyDeleteComparing the amount of women who have had sex with the boys and diving them into "awesome" and "only there for the sex/angst" categories, the "only there for the sex/angst" characters far outweigh the "awesome" characters.
ReplyDeleteI bet so...
ReplyDeleteThey best not be giving Cas or Dean a love intrest or I WILL stop watching this show.
ReplyDeleteToo bad this probably isn't Tracy the witch from season 4 reincarnated...Ashley Benson would fit the "gorgeous" up there so much =)
ReplyDeleteI do agree they need to get him out of Hell but that's all. (Passing mention even that he was freed).
ReplyDeleteDevil May Care -- totes a Crowley reference. I'm calling it now. Also, I swear to God and all that is holy if Tracy is solely brought in to be a love interest or to get close to the boys and then die for dramatic effect, I WILL PEE ON EVERYTHING. Because I'm SO FRIGGING TIRED of the women either being used for romantic subplots or in a Jo like fashion. Because I still haven't forgiven the writers for Jo. We had this BAD ASS woman who could TAKE CARE OF HERSELF and WASN'T EVIL and flat out TURNED DEAN DOWN because she didn't just want to be just an object of pleasure AND THEN THEY KILLED HER. LIKE. NO. NO. NO. NO. A MILLION TIMES NO. So here's hoping that Tracy is actually, you know, written like a human being and not an extension of the plot.
ReplyDeleteAnybody consider that Tracy and Irv might be together? (Like the couple of hunters in 3x01)?
ReplyDeleteOne can only hope.
ReplyDeleteJim Michaels already said that this is not the correct title https://twitter.com/TheJimMichaels/status/350766852437327872
ReplyDeleteOn this show, I honestly can't remember one woman who had good characterization and was a love interest. I guess Ruby did, to a point. I liked Cassie, but she was a very short term character. If you count Meg as a love interest (for Cas), I guess there's her. Jessica and Sarah were great, but they weren't around long either.
ReplyDeleteI think a woman can and should be awesome and also have romance with Sam or Dean, but it just doesn't seem to happen.
That. Is an excellent title.
ReplyDeleteActually (and I think that we tend to forget that) in the Supernatural 'verse it is already 2015 or maybe even 2016 depending on whether the writers do another year time leap between seasons (so far I think that there has been two year leaps--at the end of S5 and at the end of season 7 if I'm not mistaken). So the boys lived through 2014 already :)
ReplyDeletewell, you know Supernatural; everyone dies.
ReplyDeleteAlways introducing new characters, and killing off them. ....I really can't have any expectation. And I already have pity to unknown character's death. I mean it. They have no future, why I am curious about them? Last season, I lost bad-ass demon Meg, I lost manly vamp Benny - then the writers try to convince me "new" bad-ass one and manly one would be great. Wow.
ReplyDeleteTracy?, Devil may care ? it sound so familiar .was the writer referred to the video game “Dveil may cry ”??? hahaha
ReplyDeleteAt this point in the show I don't get excited about new guest starts, they just probably won't last, and to be honest, is not like the show strive to make memorable side characters anymore.
ReplyDeleteExcept for in the finale when Abaddon arrives at the church she says to Crowley "Do you know what I find the most shocking about time-travelling through a closet and landing in the year 2013?". The episode she first appeared was 8.12. So it's probably either mid-late 2013, or beginning of 2014 in the Supernatural verse.
ReplyDeleteWell that's the title on the script and the title that has been sent to all the casting agencies and audition houses
ReplyDeleteYes and with the mentality that only Sam and Dean matter it's not a surprise.
ReplyDeleteAnd he didn't rebuke the rest of the info, so maybe they'll change it.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the clarification :) Although it still doesn't make much sense to me but I guess that the writers just decided to ret-con all time leaps in previous seasons :/
ReplyDeleteSam and Dean ARE the heart of the show; the only two who DO matter.
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It's what Supernatural has been about from the pilot.
If the show had no secondary characters, only guest stars it would be engaging just the same, because it's Sam and Dean's chemistry which makes it unique.
As for the secondary characters, the ones we once had in earlier seasons were sympathetic, lovable and important to the story like Bobby, Ellen, Pamela, etc,something that those in season eight weren't.
Every show needs to treat side and minor characters with respect and not as plot devices for manpain. Doesn't matter if SPN is not ensemble. The fact that it has such problems with misogyny and treating even characters like Cas like mere drama devices, tells me a lot. Although I agree that earlier seasons had characters with much more substance, now it seems we're stuck with Garth...
ReplyDeleteYep, Supernatural seemingly more than any other show I can think of changes their Episode names the most :)
ReplyDelete@CyanaT as posted on another comment ... Well that's the title on the script and the title that has been sent to all the casting agencies and audition houses
ReplyDelete:)
Well that's the title on the script and the title that has been sent to all the casting agencies and audition houses
ReplyDeleteThe side characters are there to enhance the the story of the main characters; this happens in every show and SPN is no different.
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I have no problems with how the female characters are treated on the show; they are objectified and denigrated much more on other shows, while on many ocassions the women have been more intelligent and capable than the Winchesters themselves.
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Unlike you I do watch the show for only Sam and Dean because they captivated me from the first episode and as the show is built around them and the Winchester family, I see no limit in that at all.
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In fact no-one should tell other fans what the show is about; the show should do that and the show tells me that it's all about the Winchesters.
Then I believe the creator of the show himself said it was "The Epic Love Story Of Sam and Dean" and I would think his opinion would count for something.
It doesn't make sense to me either, but it seems the writers either forgot, or are just ignoring the year Dean spent with Lisa after S5 finale and the year Dean and Cas spent in purgatory after S7. The year after after S5 would've made S6 occur in 2011. Then the end of S7 would be in 2013, and after the year Dean and Cas spend in purgatory it would be late 2014 in the beginning of S8. So it TECHNICALLY should be mid 2015 at the end of the season, but after what Abaddon said I guess it's 2013?
ReplyDeleteIf you haven't seen this timeline of all the seasons it has a good explanation and outline: http://hells-half-acre.livejournal.com/373711.html
But they do not enhance the story if they are paper thin archetypes without arcs of their own, even if we don't get to see them. It just makes the setting insipid.
ReplyDeleteThe problem is not that Sam and Dean are the focus, that's great, the problem lies in that the rest of the characters seem to gravitate around them and their desires and choices, almost to Mary Sue levels.
Thanks for the link! I'm in awe of that person's determination to write down the timeline! My head hurts trying to understand all the time jumps and then the non time jumps lol. I agree though, I think that the writers and crew are ignoring the year time leaps between the two seasons you mentioned or maybe they forgot completely.
ReplyDeleteexactly. and what the showrunners say doesn't matter to me if it doesn't translate well on the screen. Carver also said this: there’s no question the boys are the heart and soul of the show, but I think one of the reasons the show has existed for seven or eight seasons is because of the wonderful supporting characters that they built up around them."
ReplyDeleteExactly. They might be the focus of the narrative, but that shouldn't mean they are the only ones that matter, i.e. the ones that get developed. For a while now, most characters only exist to serve the Winchesters plot or development, and though that IS the role supporting characters have, if they are not realized as characters if their own right it just rings hollow.
ReplyDeleteIt's like the Winchesters only interact with cardboard cutouts and taking plot devices instead of fully fleshed characters. Even the bit characters lack any depth, to the point you can't connect with the casualties and deaths don't have nearly as much impact as they could -deaths in SPN are seriously on bad slasher film category, and that is just not good-
I wouldn't even call it manpain because manpain -though ostensibly used on a facetious manner- has the potential of being earnest and warranted if played straight and deftly. But that is true for all the types of angst I'd say.
ReplyDeleteThe fate of the SPN side characters is more akin to fridging at this point to create superflous manpain- I mean, poor Sarah Blake- All for the sake of cheap and easy emotional stakes; no development at all at this point. And since they have spent almost the whole 8 years exclusively focused on Sam and Dean's development, there aren't many places they can go without completely shifting the paradigm. So to mimic the feeling that things are happening within them, the writers just throw more crap on top of the brothers through wade through and call it "development"
And speaking of development, not even Cas -who could be considered the most developed supporting character- is nearly as developed as the Winchesters, and his arc is muddled and barely incidental to the plot requirements he has to meet in order to move the story forward. It's like they build his character to trigger the plot points he has to hit instead of the plot happenings informing his development.
But lord, I still like this show. It isn't aging well though.
They're probably just filming out of order again, I remember last year production code #801 was actually ep 4 or something. (The one Jensen directed)
ReplyDeleteYep, that's also a strong possibility as well.
ReplyDeleteha, nothing about last season made sense to me...just saying. lol
ReplyDelete@Maria Stewart Please see the update we posted
ReplyDeleteNone of it is incorrect :)
ReplyDeleteI heard Jeremy Carver would write the first episode, but according to this info it's Andrew Dabb. You're probably right. They're shooting out of order.
ReplyDeleteI think this devil may be the storyline monster?. It's gotta be a demonic episode regardless I think. Possibly relating to Lucifer even though that is not likely..but you never know.
ReplyDeleteTracy sounds interesting, I agree-it would be reasonable for her to be just a hunter nothing more than that, but if she is a love interest (always temporarily) or she dies herocially we'll just have to suck it up. But having faith I think the writers will do a good script for her.
I'm racking my brains out with Irv because I don't think he was shown?. Hopefully he's a good friend of the Winchesters.
And I really want to see the promo! :)
SO disappointed to see Andrew Dabb as listed as the writer. Other than hating his scripts, I was hoping for Carter to at least start the season off. I see others have speculated that they are shooting out of order. This is highly unlikely as to my knowledge, Jensen is not directing this year as he's busy on Daddy duty - and that is the only reason they have shot out of order in the previous 3 seasons.
ReplyDeleteAs to the "misogyny" shouting... it's a HORROR show - people DIE - horribly. That's the genre you signed up for when you started watching. I'm particularly amused by the comments hoping that Tracy will be like Jo and not a love interest!! LOL! For those of us watching from the beginning, we remember when Jo was introduced - as a side in the summer between S1 and 2 - just like this. Fandom went mental and sealed Jo's fate - as a terrible character because they tried to tinker with her to satisfy the fans (good luck with that guys, there is no satisfying this fandom except with bro-hugs). The misogyny in the show I will lay at the fans feet. And this thread largely proves it. Look back - so few comments on the "male" hunter.
Agreed.
ReplyDeleteIt was because Jensen directed. There is no reason for them to do that this year since he's not directing, sadly.
ReplyDeleteYep, it would, if the writers weren't lazy and did their homework. :\
ReplyDeleteYeah, but they ignored the time jump on seasons 6-7, too, so it's not 100% Carver fault in this instance.
ReplyDeleteThank you for the update. I personally don't trust Michaels very much.
ReplyDeleteI do agree I never considered Jo a love interest she was potentially a good character in her own right but the Roadhouse went up in smoke literally and figuratively then she was brought back and killed off she never really went anywhere as a character. I have no issues with female character's but considering how poorly Amelia was written then Sam does not need that kind of mess up again . I just hope Tracy or who ever is a character allowed to stand in their own right
ReplyDeleteI think of the Js as MANLY and Hot. Jeffrey Dean Morgan was also both of those.
ReplyDeleteI don't expect ol' Irv to start having sex with one of the brothers.
ReplyDeleteI liked Dean and Anna, that was my favorite sex scene and got Baby involved. lol Dean is always slow and sweet with his ladies, Sam to me is much rougher and I don't care for that at all.
ReplyDeleteLOL, yes bro-hugs are always welcome, but so are more smiles from the guys, Jared has a beautiful smile that will light up a room and have not gotten to see many of them recently.
ReplyDeleteWe'll have to agree to disagree. If I want to see Jared smile, I go to a convention. When I watch Supernatural, I want a horror/drama show... :)
ReplyDeleteYou NEVER want them to be happy?? There have been many early eps with happy times and them laughing together.
ReplyDeleteOooh maybe it's about Abbadon wreaking havok this year? A mellowed Crowley vs a pissed Abbadon, could be epic, & with humor, because you know Crowley will struggle to be as evil now. heh
ReplyDeleteUgh Dabb. I thought the premier was written by Carver. I hope the "filmed out of order" theory is true. Confused about directors too, because didn't Michaels say Singer was directing the premier, but this lists Guy Bee. I wish Michaels would clear up the confusion, because this isn't the interesting kind.
there is no such thing as manly vs unmanly. it's a effemiphobic notion.
ReplyDeletePS. I hope they resurrect the old Abaddon vessel because she was amazing. She's supposed to have unusual powers for a demon, right, so it's possible. Though it would annoy me if anyone but heavenly creatures could resurrect, as a pretty big retcon, I think. Though the YED sort of accomplished it by possessing Tessa, so...
ReplyDeleteDefinitely. The light hearted moments between the brothers are wonderful and are needed to break the bleakness of their lives.
ReplyDeleteThe earlier seaons were a perfect mix of brother baiting, good-story-telling and scary horror moments.
Yeah and they are amongst the best. The pranking in Hell House, for example. :)
ReplyDeleteNews of more hunters and one being a female make me very happy. After all my motto is: more humans, less supernatural beings.
ReplyDeleteOh really I wasnt online in season 2 so never read the sides.
ReplyDeleteI can't really agree with you here..
ReplyDeleteThe earlier characters especially, had their distinctive traits, and people like Bobby, Ellen, Tessa, Pamela, Bela, Meg, Jo, didn't play Mary Sue in any way. They discussed with and contrasted the brothers often; even Frank in season seven did.
It's season eight that has nullified the secondary characters IMO, because there was nothing at all for them to do. What there was just petered out. The story-arcs were so weak; there was hardly even anything for the Winchesters to do!
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It all comes down to good writing. IMO; If the story's good, it's good for all the characters, if it's bad, it's bad for everyone.
With respect, DarkUFO, and I haven't read the other new replies yet, it would have been appropriate for SpoilerTV to have included this info with the initial post assuming it was available. I know it's only a "Working Title" and the info on "Tracy" and "Irv" may be somewhat accurate - I know that names are sometimes different from the character Casting Sides' names. It has also fairly been confirmed that Jeremy Carver is writing the premiere and Robert Singer will be the director. Therefore, "Devil May Care" may be the "Working Title" for ep 9.02 (#901 indicates filmed out of order), with Andrew Dabb,writer, and Guy Bee, director, because per Guy Bee he would directing one of early episodes.
ReplyDeleteFor fans they sure complain a lot don't they?
ReplyDeleteFor fans they sure do complain a lot!
ReplyDeleteWell that is what generally happens with main protagonist's. And has both not Castiel and Benny and Charlie been given established backgrounds and focus. In fact I would say quite a few secondary characters have had fairly strong representation but at the end of the day it is the brothers story .
ReplyDeleteThat isn't what I said. But as it is a horror show and a drama, I look for less of that. Not a lot of guffaws in say Silence of the Lambs... but then, I'm not watching to see them take their shirts off either.
ReplyDeleteI can't remember if it was Sera Gamble or someone else who said it, but apparently they decided to just ignore that they should be a few years ahead of us.
ReplyDeleteGuys, 901 is the production number, so it's the first episode they're filming, but it's not necessarily the first episode that's airing. I think it's more likely they're shooting out of order. Carver will almost assuredly be writing the premiere episode and Robert Singer may well directing it as he did direct 8.01 last year. Since the filming for this takes place during SDCC, and Robert Singer is on the panel this year, they probably shuffled the order so Singer wouldn't have to fly up to Van to begin directing, fly back down to California to do the panel, then fly back up to Van to finish directing then finally flying home to California again. I think chances are good this will be an episode that airs later.
ReplyDeleteI'm not 100% sure of course since I don't think the writer and director for the premiere episode has been confirmed, but I'll be VERY surprised if Carver is not writing the premiere. Therefore, my money is that they're shooting out of order in the beginning like they've done other years.
The blocking of that scene was too weird for me, too claustrophobic.
ReplyDeleteGarth is barely around, which I hope doesn't change.
ReplyDeleteI liked some of the other recurring characters last season. Kevin and Charlie weren't a step down from past characters.
Frank and Bobby were both basically writer mouthpieces to tell Dean to suck it up. Most of the other secondary characters you mention were either neutralized by about season 5 or 6, or were mostly just one-note antagonists until the end (Bela).
ReplyDeleteI don't think the season 8 recurring characters were all that badly written compared to past recurring characters. I wouldn't say Kevin was a Mary Sue. The show hasn't known how to write recurring characters in many years. That's why Kripke just kept killing them off.
Sadly I would say both Sam and Cas are undeveloped.
ReplyDeleteThe bit characters have never really had any depth. That doesn't bother me too much because that's part of the horror genre.
ReplyDeleteI do think that the supporting characters on SPN have almost always existed to support the brothers. Look at Jo - as soon as they dropped the Jo/Dean romance, she was gone for two seasons and only came back to die. There was a certain grittiness in seasons 1-4, but I don't think that would work now anyway.
I just wish they'd allow the supporting characters more consistent writing and not have them yanked around so much.
I am guessing you have never partaken in the back seat of a car...tight quarters. lol
ReplyDeletelol, love it, and yes we do.
ReplyDeleteWell they've been filming the third one first the last three years because Jensen has been directing it. But with him not directing this one why would they switch? To free up Bob for a panel doesn't seem enough of a good reason IMO.
ReplyDeleteBut I will not argue with the notion that for the premiere Jeremy would write it and either Bob or Phil would direct it, so that bit of information, absolutely doesn't add up.
This is not the 1st episode and not a correct title . Has been confirmed. They are shooting out of order this year as well
ReplyDeleteSince you have the "newest post" I'll add here - Jim Michaels did confirm that the show was filming out of order ... so #901 is not the premiere :).
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ReplyDeleteDas did you read the update we posted 12 hrs ago?
ReplyDeleteTell that to the casting agents, not me
ReplyDeleteYou do realize that this show existed (very well, I might add) for three seasons before your darling Castiel was introduced, right? And there were tons of fantastic side characters in those 3 seasons, a lot of whom were way more interesting to a lot of people than the angels. It's the people who act like those three seasons don't matter and that people who have been fans since the pilot don't count that annoy the heck out of me.
ReplyDeleteMe neither. I didn't come online (w/r/t Supernatural of course) until S4. I never considered Jo a love interest either.
ReplyDeleteYou said it!
ReplyDeleteEven the PIPs were written better in the earlier seasons. Every character's characterization suffered in S8.
Thank you!
ReplyDeleteThis show existed before Castiel. I like Castiel, but this show will never, IMO, be about him. It is about the WINCHESTERS. It's their story. He is a support character in THEIR story, or at least he should be.
I'm sure I'll get a ton of thumbs down, but my interest in Castiel is in only how he serves the WINCHESTER story. He does not, IMO, deserve his own plot/stories, which is what he's been getting since S6. I get bored when the story shifts to Castiel b/c I honestly don't care what he's doing unless it has something to do w/the Winchesters. He is not a lead character, IMO, and he never will be.
I'm with you. Thank you for this comment.
ReplyDeleteI'll believe him when I see it.
ReplyDeleteThey just decided to retcon the canon of the show, so what's a year, give or take?
ReplyDeleteMaybe she'll be another lesbian.
ReplyDeleteRemember back in the day when they felt like they were the only ones out there? Because John was very solitary because he had to protect Sam. From OTHER hunters?
ReplyDeleteWhy do they always feel the need to comment on a woman's physical appearance in these character descriptions? Even for a freaking one off. You never see anything like that on a male character's description. "Hunky piece o' man beef, Jake, will be helping the brothers with a hunt!" You just don't see that.
ReplyDeletePREACH!
ReplyDeleteWhy does she have to be a gorgeous actress? Why can't a woman in the SPN-verse just be normal looking? Do normal looking women not exist in their world? I don't get the need for this descriptor. Esp. since we don't see it for male characters and we've had more than enough normal to damn near fugly male characters on this show.
ReplyDeleteYes! Please. And a POC who doesn't go batshit insane, either.
ReplyDeleteYay! A girl for Sam then. :DDDD (Mind the smiley face, I'm joking.)
ReplyDeleteYes. And you all know I don't like Castiel. He's been falling into Sam's role over the past season.
ReplyDelete+ INFINITY.
ReplyDeleteThe fan reaction to Jo was nothing compared to the outrage when Rubella were announced pre-season three. I swear, it was as if they'd announced they were killing off Sam and Dean and replacing them with Ruby and Bella. I sat back with my popcorn and Dr. Pepper and enjoyed the wank. It was EPIC.
ReplyDeleteMe neither. Cause I was too busy shipping Dean/Ellen. Shipped that hard. Even had a friend writing me smutty one shots. Cause Ellen could teach Dean a thing or two, you know what I mean? Heh heh.
ReplyDeleteAlaina Huffman was AWESOME as Abaddon! I was pissed when Sam burninated her in the finale! I was just as pissed with Chris Heyerdahl's Alastair was killed off.
ReplyDeleteIn SPN fandom, that seems like a prequisite to be called a fan.
ReplyDeleteI've always been a little confused about the hunters role in their lives because we heard this, but then you had Pastor Jim, who was sort of an uncle figure to the boys, and Caleb, and so on.
ReplyDeleteI kind of wish they'd start using Misha's Twitter joke and describe the men as "underwear models".
ReplyDeleteThere's a lot of places that would work in real life but not on TV...it was just kind of difficult to enjoy because of the way they filmed the scenes (and the handprint on the window made me cringe - I felt like Balthazar in that moment). But at least no one was murdered during the sex scene.
ReplyDeleteI think PiP has always depended on who wrote the episode. I'd take, say, Ellie from Trial and Error over those blonde women in the first season who all blurred together.
ReplyDeleteBringing in two new women at the same time was a bad idea. The show's almost always bungled bringing in women. I guess that's why they gave up after season 4.
ReplyDeleteYou misunderstood; is the brothers the ones that have become mary-sue-ish because the writers are neglecting to flesh out the supporting cast and treat them as plot devices.
ReplyDeleteIt somewhat a relativity issue. It wouldn't be an issue at all if the supporting cast had more agency, that doesn't mean screentime or plots dedicated to them, but instead conveying the idea that they "exist" beyond their impact on the winchester's lives.
That obviously a writing issue, arguably separated of the development of the brothers themselves. They just seem too developed for a increasingly paper thin world (specially the last seasons)
So very well said. Thank you.
ReplyDeleteThose first three seasons were wonderful. IMO the best of the best of Supernatural.
But "it's the brother's story" isn't a good argument, since bland supporting characters to interact with good story makes not.
ReplyDeleteWhat you mentioned where the exceptions; both Benny and Charlie gave Dean very cool and layered interactions that mattered and showed us new facets of Dean. Those characters where good written. Even Charlie, with less appareances, was made a complex character, thus making her interaction with the brothers more rewarding, because we cared about her. Of course the same goes for Benny, who had even a deeper relationship with Dean.
But Cas is not being developed greatly, not beyond season's 4 and 6. It is obvious that he is being used to move the plot along instead of interacting with it.
And the rest of the supporting cast almost exclusively functions as plot devices, because the characterization that should be there to make those elements beliable is no where as nuanced as it should.
It's just sloppy writting. Not the worst ever -better than a lot of network shows, mind you- but SPN used to do better.
I think is a side effect of not being an ensemble show. With a large regular cast, meaningful interactions are easy to come by and reactions and involvement to plots become more fleshed out even just for the varied POV's. With Supernatural is becoming difficult to appreciate the magnitude of things because the world around the brothers isn't fleshed out.
So we have strong and complex characters living on a city of cardbox cut outs.
Basically this. I do disagree on some bits, I believe that past supporting characters were more fleshed out -that doesn't mean screentime or appearances- in a way they made the world seem more "real", which in return made me more invested.
ReplyDeleteYes!! He was so great as Alistair, such a waste to kill him so soon! He's the creepiest of the enemies, for sure.
ReplyDeleteI understand being cagey about story points, but it's annoying when they try to deceive on the production details.
ReplyDeleteIt's my opinion and no need to draw baseless conclusions from it or to insult me with your condescending "darling Cas" comment. I'm well aware that there were 3 seasons before Cas.
ReplyDeleteWhat annoys the heck out of me is people that act like people that love Castiel best on the show don't matter. What annoys the heck out of me is people that act like people that have watched the show from the very beginning don't like Castiel. I'm sorry, but I know plenty of fans that have watched Supernatural from Season 1 and love Castiel and the later seasons. Just about every person that I talk to on a regular basis calls Season 4 and 5 their favorite seasons. I have a friend that is one of the biggest brothers fans out there and Seasons 4 and 5 were her favorite seasons too. (Of course, unlike some brothers fans, she also likes Castiel too.)
ReplyDeleteI may not have started watching Supernatural until this past year myself, but when I did, I started watching it at the very beginning and I thoroughly enjoyed Seasons 1 thru 3, especially season 3 was where I started getting attached to the show. I love all the fantastic characters that were introduced in those seasons like Bobby and Ellen. I love Sam and I love Dean and I love their relationship, but it was Castiel that stole my heart. It was Castiel that made me fall in love with the show. It was Castiel that made me take the time to start checking out articles and talking about the show and getting more and more involved in the show online. And liking Castiel best...him being "my darling" doesn't make me any less of a fan of this show than the people that have been watching since Season 1 first aired and love the brothers best.
The show may be about the brothers. Some fans may care about nothing but the brothers. But don't try to make me feel like I don't matter or that I'm not a "true fan" because for me the show is about Castiel, as well as being about the brothers and about monsters and about family and love and sacrifice and free will and destiny and thousands of other things. Imho, saying that the show is just about the brothers or that the show is just about Castiel even, is a disservice to that show because it is much more than that and people can watch and love it (or watch and hate it, if that's their choice for whatever reason) for whatever reason that they want to.
I love Castiel, and I don't care if he's "just a side character" and I don't care if he's only in 6 episodes out of 23 in a season, the show will still be about him for me because I love him. So go ahead...thumbs down my comment and call me what you want.
Bless this post. Dean is my favorite character, but without Cas, there's no reason for me to watch any longer. The nerve and arrogance of some people
ReplyDeleteI cannot entirely agree with that last season he had a sl that was apart from Dean that stood on its own. The reaction Dean has to Castiel and his actions and his reaction to Sam and his actions are vastly different and polar opposite.
ReplyDeleteBut then the show created different sets of rules for Dean and Castiel and a different set of rules for Sam and alot of the fandom followed suit. The goalposts get moved so many times they are on wheels . I found it despicable under Eric Kripke and found it equally so under Jeremy Carver and dont get me started on blaming Sam for being Soulless .
I had mixed feelings about the writing for Benny (his backstory bored me and he mostly existed for brother conflict), but Jensen and Ty had a good rapport and Benny was never torn down the way many characters are. Benny had a very pure story - he was a nice guy who died and Dean was sad. I just hope they get it right if he returns.
ReplyDeleteThe show worked overtime to marginalize Cas in season 6, because Gamble and whoever else wanted him off the show. Then season 7 was about trying to bring him back while struggling to address the corner they'd painted him in. The first half of season 8 tried to address this but then he became a plot device for Naomi, for the angels to fall, for Metatron - it wasn't about him. Maybe this will be rectified next season.
I do think Dean is strong and complex but I spent most of the season being baffled by the writing for Sam.
I think it depends on some of the casting and the character types. I thought Ellen, Victor, etc. were very real, and sadly, they wouldn't be created today. Jo, Bela, Ash, etc. never quite felt real to me (Jo did right before she died).
ReplyDeleteI fell in love with the show watching the pilot, but Cas brought a whole new zing to it in season 4 and made that my favorite season. I would love to see a Castiel Benny spin off, but since I don't see that happening just want more of Cas and glad he will be listed as star in season 9. I would never say if Cas is not there I won't watch, because I loved the show BC(before Cas), what has come close to me not watching is how badly they screwed up Sam last season. Am hoping for a redemption in s9.
ReplyDeleteAWESOME title! (love the video games too hehe, the older ones, haven't played the PS3 one) Anywhoo, love the description of Tracy (and Irv) Since the start of Supernatural I have always wanted Laura Vandervoort to guest-star on the show so maybe it will one day happen...
ReplyDeleteHaha! I must admit I didn't like Jo or Ellen much after "No Exit." John didn't force Ellen's husband to hunt!
ReplyDeleteI liked Dean/Ellen too.
ReplyDeleteAnyone else think Supernatural will end in 2014, exactly the same year as Dean was to the future at that time in season 5? :)
ReplyDeleteI thought about that, but no, I don't think so. Since season 9 will be going into 2014, and unless they have a very short season 10 it would end in 2015. I don't think Eric even thought about the show running for another 5 years when The End was written and shot. Besides Dean fixed that when he went back and called Sam and he trapped the Devil.
ReplyDeleteLove interest for Sheriff Mills; if she survived the date with Crowley.
ReplyDeleteForgive me, but what is a WoC?
ReplyDeleteWoman of Color.
ReplyDeleteIt doesn't make sense for anyone but Carver to write the premiere since the showrunners always have, so I'm assuming it is out of order.
ReplyDeleteYes, that makes sense.
ReplyDeleteIt hadn't occured to me that these hunters could be love interest for each other. I wonder how good is their roles as hunters especially for the premiere, I hope they are very knowledgeable and not enemies, particularly Irv.
ReplyDeleteI bet you're absolutely right ... the devil may actually care
ReplyDeleteCrowley has feelings? Damn, it was good when he didn't care. Will, time for a change with the King of Hell.
ReplyDeleteDean say's to Sam, "Season 9, Awesome! how many does it take for an angel to fall out of heaven and land in front of your house?"
ReplyDeleteSam reply's, "Are you serious right now? Angels have fallen and your making jokes!"
Dean: "Come on Sam, just trying to light up the mood since Crowley is now a half bread and God knows what happen to Cass... don't be such a prude."
Sam: "It takes one shiny ass clown in a suit of Angels we have heard to get high."
Dean: "Awesome, like I said."
Sam: "What do you want to do with Crowley? he looks like he's going to cry again..."
Dean: "Not my problem, give him a tissue if he finally got some issues...ha ha ha....(sign)"
I disagree that there was absolutely nothing about S8 that was great. I personally like Charlie and it is nice that they have not resorted to every female lead is a conquest for Sam or Dean. Although I believe that the lighthearted moments ( Meta episodes for example ) are a much needed break. Because I have always loved the way the show portrays the violence. Similar to how Heroes had Sylar. The envelope has been pushed on episodic TV and I for one am thankful that the programming is more adult.
ReplyDeleteI liked the Men of Letters as an addition, although if they truly mean to flesh the story out, there needs to be a mention of either John Winchester and his whereabouts as well as the necklace. As for S8 sucking? I completely disagree. The last 15 minutes of the last episode is what fans needed to hear, that yes, Sam didn't look for Dean, and Dean made a friend in Benny, but it reiterated the point that the show is about the brothers, which is how it should be.
What plotpoints did you disagree with about Sam or Dean not having anything to do? I'm curious as to why.
ReplyDeleteif it was Lucifer again, would that make the episode "The End" (where dean gets sent to 2014) even more possible? because Cas was human and they all were saying the angels "left".
ReplyDeletei hope show last forever, i love it and they have become such good actors and have grown into their parts since season one. it is fun to watch them get older and better
ReplyDeleteWhat hooked me on the show from the pilot was they seemed like they had been doing Sam and Dean forever. I did not see any awkwardness and the chemistry was there from the start. As much as last season put a cloud over me, I still love the guys and think of them as members of my family. That may be why I am still upset over the way they wrote Sam...it was not my Sam that I have loved from the get go. But boy I did love Feral Dean. lol So HOT.
ReplyDeleteAm I right in saying Crowley wasn't almost exorcized, but rather that he was almost cured?
ReplyDeleteGorgeous isn't always a reference to physical beauty, is it?
ReplyDeleteYou can't tell me Jo wasn't a love interest of Dean. They just knew it was a bad idea and they had a job to do.
ReplyDeleteThat is what I was thinking Crowley being cured just a little :))
ReplyDeleteI think it might be a reference to the Devil May Cry game series, which has the mocking catch phrase Devil May Care throughout it. I'm wondering if the characters might be based off the characters in the games.
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