Today's Early Overnight Ratings
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Metered Market Thursday Ratings
Two Sluggish Season Enders
Thursday 5/02/13
Metered Market Results
Household
Rating/Share
CBS 8.1/13
Fox 5.8/ 9
ABC 5.1/ 8
NBC 2.2/ 4
CW 1.4/ 2
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-Percent Change from Year-Ago Evening – Thursday 5/04/12:
CBS: no change, CW: -12, NBC: – 4, ABC: – 9, Fox: -23
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-Winners:
“The Big Bang Theory” (CBS), “Two and a Half Men” (CBS), “Person of Interest” (CBS), “Grey’s Anatomy” (ABC), “Scandal” (ABC)
-Fading Fast:
“American Idol” (Fox)
-Losers (excluding repeats):
“Community” (NBC), “Wife Swap” (ABC), “The Office” (NBC), “Glee” (Fox), “Beauty and the Beast” (CW), “Parks and Recreation” (NBC), “Hannibal” (NBC)
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-Ratings Breakdown:
It was an easy Thursday overnight victory for CBS, but not a clean sweep in every half-hour. Red-hot “The Big Bang Theory,” featuring a guest shot by the legendary Bob Newhart, topped the night, with a 10.8 rating/18 share at 8 p.m. Comparably, that was up by 16 percent year-to-year. Next was just renewed “Two and a Half Men” at a dominant 8.1/13 at 8:30 p.m. (up 40 percent from year-ago occupant “Rules of Engagement”), followed by sophomore “Person of Interest” at a winning 8.6/14 from 9-10 p.m.
Although the Eye net’s freshman “Elementary” led the 10 p.m. hour overall with a 6.3/11 (three percent ahead of the 6.1/11 for competing “Scandal” on ABC), by 10:30 p.m. “Scandal” inched past “Elementary” (6.1/11 vs. 6.0/11). And “Scandal” will have no trouble holding a considerable lead among adults 18-49 (and other key young adult demos). “Scandal” is a “winner;” “Elementary” (which will likely be shipped off to Friday next season) is not.
There was two season finales last night: “Wife Swap” on ABC and “Parks and Recreation” on NBC. Although ABC could keep cost effective “Wife Swap” in production as a utility player, the third-place 2.7/ 4 in the overnights at 8 p.m. does not warrant a spot on the fall schedule. “Parks and Recreation” rated lower, with a fourth-place 2.2/ 3 at 9:30 p.m. (out of a 2.7/ 4 — also No. 4 — for soon-to-conclude “The Office” at 9 p.m.). But since NBC will return next fall without “30 Rock” and “The Office,” chances are the critically acclaimed “Parks and Recreation” will also return.
Earlier in the evening on NBC was sluggish “Community” with a fourth-place 2.0/ 3 at 8 p.m., followed by another episode of “The Office” at a 2.6/ 4 (#4) at 8:30 p.m. Recently introduced drama “Hannibal” (which has sparked some interest via DVR usage) could not compete, with a very last-place 2.0/ 3 in the overnights at 10 p.m. Comparably, that was only a slight improvement over failed year-ago occupant “Awake” (1.8/ 3 on 5/03/12).
In order for NBC to effectively compete next season, it must concentrate on finding something stronger to open the evening with.
ABC, meanwhile, was on the 9 p.m. map care of veteran “Grey’s Anatomy” with a second-place 6.4/10. Comparably, “Grey’s” built from the 8:30 p.m. portion of “Wife Swap” (2.7/ 4) by 137 percent. And it dipped from the year-ago evening (7.0/11 on 5/03/12) by only nine percent.
Over at Fox, the live “American Idol” Results Show finished second from 8-9 p.m., with a 7.9/13. Comparably, that was 27 percent below the 10.8/18 on the year-ago evening. Tired “Glee” followed with a third-place 3.7/ 6 at 9 p.m., which was 12 percent below year-ago occupant “Touch” (4.2/ 7 on 5/03/12). And the retention out of the 8:30 p.m. portion of “American Idol” (8.3/14) was only 45 percent. A two-season renewal…really?
The CW closed the night with its renewed combination of “The Vampire Diaries” (#5: 1.7/ 3), which is worthy of its pick-up, and “Beauty and the Beast” (#5: 1.1/ 2), which is not.
Source: Nielsen Media Research
Source: Marc Berman@tvmediainsights
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It'd be criminal to ship Elementary to Fridays. They really need to allow it to catch a summer buzz with a younger audience over the summer, with possible Emmy attention for Jonny Lee Miller and the DVDs, etc. I know so many friends who want to catch up, but need to do it over the summer. The erratic scheduling didn't help it. Marc Berman really seems to have an issue with the show, but POI and Elementary fit well together.
ReplyDeleteHannibal :((
ReplyDeleteI disagree, I think Elementary to Fridays would solve quite a lot of CBS issues (it is strong enough for Friday, so it would be of help there, and it would free the post POI slot to launch a new drama, which they definitely need to, and POI is one of their best lead-ins at this point drama wise)
ReplyDeleteThis guy is such an idiot. I wish he'd only provide the ratings without offering unsolicited - and totally biased - "advice" as to what certain networks might do next season. There is no chance whatsoever that Elementary is moving, especially not to Fridays. And how's that BATB renewal taste, Mark?
ReplyDeleteElementary seems to be a good candidate but a better candidate is The Mentalist as it hasn't benefited well from its move to Sundays this season. It would make sense for CBS to move it than Elementary to Fridays.
ReplyDeleteLOL! Right?
ReplyDeleteYeah, Elementary to Friday makes no sense. IF they were going to move it, maybe Sunday, but Friday would be a death knell for a show that CBS has actually taken an obvious interest in. There is a ton of potential for Elementary, but airing it twice in seven weeks, the Super Bowl power mishap, burning three eps in seven days...its had obstacles. Moving it to Friday would kill a show that has the ability to add some much needed variety to the lineup and maybe some award attention as well.
No, Hannibal :-( I'm hoping it will survive this season,because critically its a praised show,and its basically the only NBC show that gain a whole 1.0 with the live+7 ratings, and its not only an NBC show, its also produced by AXN. But i know it will get canceled, because its on NBC, and they are a bunch of amateurish incompetent a**holes. :-(
ReplyDeleteFunny thing is when he doesn't like a show he finds anyway he can to dig at it.
ReplyDeleteOne reason to keep Elementary on Thursday is its SD+3 numbers, no?. 1x19 went up more than 60%.
ReplyDeleteI think Marc is stuck in a world were ratings is the sole basis for a renewal. Great for TBBT and Scandal. Elementary should not move to Fridays amazing ep btw. And BatB is already renewed so no zingers for that so suck on that haters.
ReplyDeletethey are adding an hour of comedy probably thursday and 9 and POI goes to 10 PM, i think Elementary will be either friday or tuesday 10 pm
ReplyDeleteThere is certainly a chance that Elementary moves, and there is a reasonable chance that said move is to Fridays. Just because you disagree doesn't mean there is no chance.
ReplyDelete1. CBS Sundays = CBS Fridays for the most part as far as ratings are concerned, excluding reality. They are both graveyards for CBS at this point and I don't see them doing anything to change it next season (e.g. moving Survivor to Sundays)
ReplyDelete2. I never though I could hear the term airing after the Super Bowl and obstacle in the same sentence
3. It had the same amount of originals as any show with 22 episodes.
4. It is a procedural show in a network filled with procedurals. Variety? Also, since when do networks care about that?
5. Awards attention do not make shows get renewed (just ask Harry's Law) and this is assuming you are right, which I think it is a stretch.
Yeah, if they add one hour of comedy is complicated to predict it. I can actually see a scenario in which the hour of comedy is Elementary saving's grace as CBS could opt to have it stay put for stability purposes (since the rest of the night would be changed) while POI is reallocated to a more high profile Wednesday slot. But they could just as easily send POI to 10pm and ship Elementary to Fridays.
ReplyDeleteThe thing is that CBS did not move the mentalist expecting it to benefit. It moved it because it needed a good slot to debut a new show (Thursdays at 10) and needed some filler to air on the Sundays at 10pm slot. They don't own the mentalist, so they don't care for syndication for it, meaning it was the perfect candidate for them. I agree that it would be better suited for friday, but I think both fridays and sundays are equal graveyeards at this point as far as CBS dramas are concerned.
ReplyDeleteYou have to see how it compares with the remaining CBS shows, meaning whether or not its relative position changes significantly. 90% of the times it doesn't. Also remember that the SD+3 number per se are meaningless since they don't include commercials, so advertisers don't pay for them. The C3 numbers (which include commercials) are the ones that count, but we rarely see them.
ReplyDeleteBite it Marc Berman. Your opinion only matters to those that care. <3 #BATB
ReplyDeleteAre you Marc? LOL
ReplyDeleteElementary is not a straight-up procedural. It's been gradually becoming more and more serialized and is far more character-driven than a traditional procedural. I think the numbers are showing an ever-so-slight tendency to procedural fatigue, and Elementary is poised to be able to escape the format more than a lot of shows on the existing sched.
I don't want to move it at all, but Sundays are preferable. Slightly more exposure. Shows sometimes come back from Sunday. They rarely come back from Friday. Not scientific, but shows seem to keep an audience a little better.
I guess I don't mean that the Super Bowl was an obstacle, but the 45 minute delay really wiped out most of the hype and exposure the show could have received from it, so those pundits expecting a bit of a bounce going forward didn't see that bounce.
If Jonny Lee Miller doesn't get a nomination, the Emmys are dead to me. He is absolutely special in the role.
I'm a bit confused in that my husband works for Nielsen, and he says SD+3 is now measured with the live numbers in the eyes of the advertisers.
ReplyDeleteCBS owns Elementary, though, so does that give them an incentive?
ReplyDeleteThat's Marc alright, that doesn't stop him even when he's wrong.
ReplyDeleteAgreed!
ReplyDeleteRatings and syndication are, by far, the sole basis for renewals.
ReplyDeleteI've said this before, and I'll say it again. There is no way CBS moves Elementary. There are only three instances in THE PAST DECADE or so of CBS moving a renewed show after its freshman year: CSI, which was moved off of Friday to higher-exposure Thursday; Shark, which switched places with Without A Trace to bring it back to Thursday while Shark died on Sunday; and the Mentalist, which was moved to make room for NCIS LA to air after NCIS.
ReplyDeleteEvery. other. renewed. show. stayed. put. CBS owns Elementary and is clearly intent on getting it to syndication. CBS is the number one network precisely because they don't jerk their shows around to other time slots. It may move to another night, possibly Sunday or Friday, at some point, possibly for its third or fourth season, but it won't move this upcoming season. Friday and Sunday, in addition to Amazing Race and Blue Bloods, will include some combination of the Good Wife, the Mentalist, Hawaii 5-0, CSI, new dramas, Undercover Boss at some point, and maybe, *maybe*, Survivor. Not Elementary.
Why would I be Marc? I hate the way the guy bashes on shows, but in this case he has a point.
ReplyDelete1) I watch my fair share of procedurals and, IMO, none of them is a straight up procedural. All of them are fairly character driven and have serialized elements of some sort. Doesn't mean that they are not procedural, as in, 70% of the time of each episode is spend in a case that begins and end within that episode.
2) Well I agree that it is not scientific between Sundays and Fridays and there is a chance it could do better on Sundays but I don't think it being a meaningful difference to justify moving either TGW or TM to Fridays. It is the same thing with H50. I love the show but I think its ratings call for a Sunday or Friday move. In that case, I happen to think it is much more likely to do well enough on Sundays than on Fridays, but since there is no room on Sundays and there are 2 open slots on Fridays, I think it is unlikely they go for an unecessary move just to gain a couple of tents with the process (because the other show moved, i.e., the mentalist or the good wife, would likely loose more than that).
3) Well, of course it didn't get as much exposure as you could hope for, but it got more exposure than any new show with that episode alone! Also, I am not looking at its ratings taking into account what could have been, but rather what they are.
4) Well, that is your opinion and you are entitled to it.
Yep, true, even though that usually only starts to make a meaningful difference one shows are on their third season. However, as I have said, I don't see the move to Fridays as a death sentence. It is possible to survive there, just ask Blue Bloods. I happen to think the solution of premiering a show on a weekday for its first year and then moving it to Friday if it is only so-so strong is a much better one than keep launching DOA shows on Friday a la Gifted Man and Made in Jersey.
ReplyDeleteI have never heard that, I think you are confused. C3 numbers are the ones that count.
ReplyDeletenot anymore. Syndication prospects for freshman/sophomore shows is not what they think about that early. Any show that gets greenlight always must be considered if its syndication worthy which means every show has syndication in their blood. Ratings now are ever changing and the prospect of live ratings which what I referenced is no longer the only medium people watch and network execs are well aware. Production cost, international airings, ratings, syndication, quality, fan base, awards recognition are all in the mix.
ReplyDeleteYeah but Marc is stuck in a world where total viewers are the sole basis for renewal, and for him 18-49 is kinda an afterthought. But that's what matters, you can pretend having 10 million viewers but a .8 matters, but it honestly doesn't, or else Harry's law would still be on. Outside of that comment, shows making MONEY is the sole basis for renewal.
ReplyDeleteOn a separate comment, AMAZING SCANDAL EPISODE! It deserves everything and more.
ReplyDeleteExactly. NCIS is one of the top shows in overall viewership, but not in the 18-49 demo. It's still well-rated, but it doesn't command nearly as high an ad-sales rate as other higher-rated shows.
ReplyDeleteTwo and a Half Men is getting 67% retention out of TBBT, surely they should replace TAAHM next season with something like 2 Broke Girls that can score high 2's without the TBBT lead-in?
ReplyDeleteMost of those factors are fairly insignificant compared with the big picture:
ReplyDelete- Fan Base: Worth 0
- Quality: Worth 0
- Ratings: Certainly worth A LOT
- Awards Recognition: I say worth close to 0 (ask Harry's Law for instance)
- Syndication: Certainly worth A LOT, almost as much as ratings at this point IMO
- International Airings: I don't think they are worthless, but I think they only make difference in borderline cases, since the proportion of overall revenues that come from it is still fairly small compared to the proportion that comes from syndication and from commercial adds.
- Production Cost: Can only make a difference in special cases (i.e. Terra Nova was terribly expensive, Body of Proof got a tax credit that made it terribly cheap) - other than that, I believe most shows within the same network have grossly the same budget to work with (albeit with some exceptions, but I think they are a small number)
Also, for the record, I am not saying 100% that Elementary will be moved by an means, just that there are compelling reasons for it to move (as there are for it not to move). I think it all comes down to their comedy expansion, whether it happens or not.
ReplyDeleteDidn't CBS move 2 Broke Girls for it's sophomore season, or am I mistaken?
ReplyDeleteNot only does Berman have some rather rudely stated opinions, he can't even say things correctly ( "there was two season finales last night"....should be "were", not "was"). When a supposed writer butchers basic grammar, it tends to invalidate everything he says.
ReplyDeleteYes but there is a big difference between moving a comedy by a half hour and moving a drama to another night completely.
ReplyDeleteTAAHM retains 67% of TBBT, POI retains 77% of TAAHM, and Elementary retains 83% of POI. Yeah, Elementary isn't going anywhere. It is the number one 10 PM program for CBS.
ReplyDeleteAlthough in theory that makes sense:
ReplyDelete1) I am not sure something like 2Broke Girls would hold much more out of TBBT's lead-in, I think there is a chance that TAAHM is as good as it gets retention wise here.
2) That would imply sending Men back to Mondays (unless there is a comedy expansion), which is unlikely as it would be kind of awkward for CBS to do one year after moving it.
3) If, according to your own argument, TAAM is weaker than 2BGG, then replacing the two would leave Mondays even worse off than it currently is. So, bottom line, even if there is a comedy expansion, the best you can ask for is that a new shows is plugged in at 8h30 and that Two and a Half Men is moved to the 9pm or 9h30pm hour, because they can't leave Mondays completely unprotected and move 2BG out of there.
ABC had a very good night. Grey's and Scandal are the strongest drama pairing on TV right now, they are even doing better than the NCIS twins which have the advantage of airing one hour earlier. Very happy about both. Hannibal is dead.
ReplyDeleteTVD will adjust up in the finals as always
ReplyDeleteHope so, I don't want it sub 1.0
ReplyDeleteits just a shame ABC cant get that 8pm hour right, maybe they should try another girly soap there or maybe even comedies?
ReplyDeleteHannibal is so dead.
Do I see Community (1.2, +0.2 vs. last week's amazing episode) ahead of Wife Swap (1.1) ? Yes. In that case, that's good. It's not even because I love Community, it's because I believe all reality TV shows should burn in hell - maybe I'd give a break to stuff like Amazing Race or Survivor, but the rest shouldn't even exist, and the fact that it takes live viewers away from scripted shows (that you DVR/watch in streaming more easily) annoys me.
ReplyDeleteVery sad about Hannibal, hopefully it'll be adjusted up and that'll be enough to have a 13-episode renewal next week. I wish NBC aired episode 1.04 instead of skipping from episode 3 to 5, just to see if that's what annoyed some of the 26 Nielsen homes.
At this point of the season, there is only a handful of unrenewed shows that I care about that are still airing new episodes : Community, Hannibal, Parks & Rec (ended last night), Happy Endings (ends tonight), Nashville (I might give it a try this summer), Nikita, The Cleveland Show and Touch.
I've coped with the fact that the last two will definitely be cancelled, and that Happy Endings will have to move to the USA Network to survive (because if ABC cancelled ABC Studios-produced Cougar Town with a 1.4 rating on A18-49, they're not going to renew a show produced by another studio that garners a 0.6/0.7 rating, albeit on Fridays). But the rest can be renewed, realistically.
the only thing that might have one of the two dramas noving is if CBS decide to expand their comedies into the 9pm hour
ReplyDeleteElementary on Fiday? Highly unlikely, though Wednesday at 10pm might happen if CBS decide CSI should go to Friday at 9pm.
ReplyDeletelooks like its just the time of year, loads of shows were down this week
ReplyDeleteYeah I have thought about that move too, but actually I have decided that for next year, they are still better of keeping Scandal and Grey's where they are since they are working so well and plugging another drama on Thursdays at 8. If we think about it realistically, eve though it is a death slot and one where it is hard to succeed, all shows they have put in there have had problems:
ReplyDelete- Flash Forward: It actually had great ratings initially, but the quality was not there to sustain it so it dropped, but it wasn't the slot (I actually liked it and was sad to see it go)
- Charlie Angels: I didn't watch it, but the consensus seems to be that quality was terrible.
- Missing: Lack of broad appeal IMO, the show didn't have a theme that appealed to the necessary amount of viewers. Also, it is already hard to launch shows here in fall, it is almost impossible to do it come midseason
- Last Resort: I loved this one, but not only it was incompatible with the rest of the night, it was also, I am affraid, of limited broad appeal. It would have worked better on cable IMO.
- Zero Hour: Again, I didn't watch but everyone says the quality was terrible and again, limited appeal, and midseason launch!
Really, if we think about it, there hasn't been a Revenge or a Castle thrown in the slot yet during all this time! Just shows that are not fits with the remaining shows of the night and that lack broad appeal. I think that's what ABC needs to do next season. A strong, high-testing, female skewing drama, possible with sort of procedural elements, to catch on and appeal to masses from early on. I think the slot is hard, but not impossible to succeed on, especially now that the talents show are slowing down its strength there.
That's true, but I can't see CBS moving POI to 10 PM this early in its run. Moving a comedy from 8:30 Pm to 9 PM is one thing, but moving a drama from 9 PM to 10 PM is another entirely. And I don't think they will want to move POI to another night like Tuesday or Thursday at 9 PM because that requires moving NCIS LA or CM and that's a lot of movement for CBS. I think they're more likely to launch comedies at Wednesday at 8 PM or cram the shows in through scheduling, or to avoid the expansion entirely.
ReplyDeleteThis. Grey's and Scandal won't move. I agree that the problem isn't the time slot itself but rather the quality of the shows. A low-concept, character-driven, female-skewing procedural would do fine here. Murder in Manhattan, Influence, Doubt, or Killer Woman would work (assuming the quality is there of course). No way SHIELD or Big Thunder go here.
ReplyDeleteYes I agree with this (although I think Big Thunder wouldn't be such a terrible idea) but I think one of the others would work better, assuming it has the goods quality wise. There is also betrayal.
ReplyDeleteI agree a lot with you. There is however a chance that POI is moved to Wednesdays at 8pm and Survivor goes to save Sundays. I think it is unlikely though as I think they are happy leaving Sundays turning into their second friday.
ReplyDelete#Scandal is the best :))))
ReplyDeleteActually, NCIS is still the highest rated broadcast drama in 18-49 demo, and 2nd overall, only behind TWD
ReplyDeleteThat's possible, but if CBS is going to bother to move Survivor into their Sunday/Friday shuffle, why not just put the comedy expansion on Wednesday at 8 and leave Thursday alone? This particularly makes sense since CBS has several very high-profile single-cameras. Crazy Ones will debut to really high numbers. I know comedy and Criminal Minds aren't necessarily that compatible, but still.
ReplyDeleteA least-movement schedule:
Sunday:
8 PM - Amazing Race
9 PM - Good Wife
10 PM - Mentalist
Monday:
8 PM - HIMYM
8:30 PM - Mom (new)
9 PM - 2 Broke Girls
9:30 PM - Mike and Molly
10 PM - Beverly Hills Cop (new)
Tuesday:
8 PM - NCIS
9 PM - NCIS LA
10 PM - Intelligence (new)
Wednesday:
8 PM - Crazy Ones (new)
8:30 PM - Super Clyde (new)
9 PM - Criminal Minds
10 PM - CSI
Thursday:
8 PM - TBBT
8:30 PM - TAAHM
9 PM - POI
10 PM - Elementary
Friday:
8 PM - Survivor
9 PM - Hawaii 5-0
10 Pm - Blue Bloods
If CBS is willing to move Survivor, I think this makes more sense than moving POI. ABC is kind of weak at the 8 PM hour. The Sunday and Friday shows are pretty interchangeable, but I went for the least movement above.
Why are you all bitching about a guy on a comment thread he'll never read? Go to this Twitter account and complain directly to him. That's what I do when I have an issue with something he says. But in all seriousness he's right about Beauty and the Beast not worthy of a renewal. Before you all start ripping me for saying that I'm not just bashing your favorite show just because I don't like it. A show with a .5 and 1.25 million viewers doesn't deserve a renewal. The CW must be in the toilet if that's good enough for them to renew a show.
ReplyDeleteIf that's the case, Parks and Rec, Community, Mindy Project and countless other comedies should have been cancelled. See my point now?
ReplyDeleteI played with that idea too. My thoughts:
ReplyDelete- Although I agree that drama wise Sunday and Friday and interchangeable, I disagree with that acceptation for reality. I think Survivor should only move if it is for Sunday. And that would mean CBS would be willing to actually fight for Sundays and not let it turn into another friday. Or else it is not worth moving it at all.
- I have my suspicions about the single cams being able to work on their own, but I certainly think that is a strong possibility and I wouldn't hate on it.
- Although I understand the minimizing the moves thing, I think that only is POI a better lead-in for Intelligence raw numbers wise than LA, it is also a much better fit, so compatibility should be higher. I would maybe swap it for Elementary in an ideal world, but as I have said I understand the need to minimze the oves.
- Glad that you also agree that Red is a bad idea.
No, I don't. Last year's ratings and proximity to syndication for Community and Parks more than justify their renewals, and so do this year by the way. As for Mindy, I think it was the most non-justifiable renewal of the season so far, but since it not "beat" any other comedy in doing so, you can't say that ratings are not enough, you can just say that Fox lowed its bar. Also there is another factor, 18-34, which does matter a lot (since advertisers pay more for that specific demo), and I highly suspect that mindy does great in that one
ReplyDelete"The CW must be in the toilet if that's good enough for them to renew a show."
ReplyDeleteIt is, and it's sinking each season. Cult proved that the CW can continue to sink to new lows if there's nothing that will improved the network as a whole.
Yeah I sort of see your point with the Elementary/Intelligence thing. However, this is just one possible scenario for CBS and there are scenarios in which I think sending Elementary to Sunday or Fridays is the best thing to do Totally agree with Red, it seems the perfect midseason show to me.
ReplyDeleteShow me the 18-34 for most FOX shows and Mindy and I will maybe believe yu on Mindy. These other shows, as you say, had low ratings from the get go, but their ratings were still better than the other shows on NBC, so they got renewed.
ReplyDeleteYes,i did! I've been waiting for it to come out,i saw a clip of it in January.I love that this was done with the Fringe crew. Ari even dedicated to his cat Homey who passed last year. Thanks for posting,good to see it finally done and out for all! :)
ReplyDeleteBut it makes me miss Walter and gang even more! :( :)
its opinion and everyone has one
ReplyDeleteYes it had all the trademarks of Fringe. we should be all gearing up now at this time of year for the Fringe season finale but alas its not to be. I miss them al l:(
ReplyDeleteYou missed the point of my comment. Every day I see people complaining about what Marc says in the article all I was suggesting is that you go to Marc's Twitter page and say it directly to him instead of complaining about it on this thread something he will never read. You were the first person to disagree with what I said after I posted it 2 days ago. 10 people up voted it.
ReplyDeleteProduction cost I think is probably one of the bigger factors and not just special cases. With the low rated shows that have a solid fan base and stable ratings production cost often helps them survive. If they are owned by the network, it will be easier to renew because it would cost millions to launch a new show which may or may not succeed as opposed to a show the network owns which seems to be consistent in ratings albeit low
ReplyDeleteI keep wondering "If" INTELLIGENCE gets picked up, if they would put it on the same night as POI or not?
ReplyDeleteI keep having moments where I seriously forget that season 5 was the last season and keep thinking season six is coming :/ Some shows are just really hard to get over!
ReplyDeleteI agree and am surprised that it's live numbers are so bad! It's been so GOOD too! Between this and Revolution, and Grimm (even though I don't watch Grimm) I finally feel like NBC could become a good network again full of variety!
ReplyDeleteIn theory, it is a no brainer move, but it doesn't appear to be very easy to make a schedule that allows for that, especially if there is a comedy expansion, without moving way too much stuff around.
ReplyDelete