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9 May 2013

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199 comments:

  1. Lissie_Bee9 May 2013 at 03:00

    Oh my gosh, Cas' poor, hurt puppy dog eyes... I don't blame Dean for not wanting to give him another free pass, since he hasn't had a great track record with "just wanting to do the right thing", but those eyes! And "I NEED pie." I almost died I was giggling so hard.

    The exorcism stuff was so creepy... especially since that's one part of the show based in fact. It makes you wonder how experimental some of them actually got. And putting Abaddon (sp?) back together was creepy as hell... especially her summoning her hands back. Yeesh.

    Closing off heaven sounds pretty cool actually, but I just hope that Castiel tells Sam and Dean about it... there are enough trust issues there, and Cas seemed so intent on mending those fences. This would be another step back.

    Crowley's speech while the boys frantically hunted for a way to save Sarah was haunting... and so incredibly sad. I'm so freaking disappointed that they brought her back just to kill her :( This looks like it could be a big step backward for the boys as they weigh those innocent lives against closing the gates forever, but I still think it's going to be an epic finale!

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  2. Paula Ireri9 May 2013 at 03:00

    This episode was awesome!!!
    I want to say that Cas was just too adorable and cute this episode!


    'But you don't understand. I NEED PIE!'

    I loved all the clips in this epsode, and also Crowley's speech. Poor Sarah :((((

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  3. klutzy_girl9 May 2013 at 03:01

    Well, that was depressing.

    And wow, fuck you, Crowley. I hate that they brought Sarah back to kill her, but at least she wasn't the only one that got killed from their past.


    And nephilim! I've apparently been pronouncing it wrong this entire time, but oh well. And I like Metraon and Cas time. Aww at Cas buying groceries for Dean to get back in his good graces.


    I loved it!

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  4. LaurienW9 May 2013 at 03:01

    This was upsetting in every way possible.
    Awesome, but deeply, deeply, deeply upsetting.
    What. The. Hell.!?

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  5. Dominick Grace9 May 2013 at 03:03

    Well, that was one of the weaker episodes. Pretty huge problems logic and intelligence-wise, not really redeemed by the few decent moments.

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  6. V_s9 May 2013 at 03:04

    They married off Sarah and then killed her. They introduced a nephilim and had it be weaker than a cambion. And the angel tablet closes heaven through trials (I was hoping for something new since the leviathan tablet didn't consist of trials to close purgatory or to send every leviathan back to purgatory presumably, so clearly there should be some differences from one tablet to another on what they do, so another set of trials is a little disappointing to me). If I do decide to just pretend everything post-S5 didn't happen, this episode will certainly help me justify it to myself (despite the fact that the rest of the episode was really good).

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  7. Elena Wonderland9 May 2013 at 03:05

    Words cannot describe the awe I felt about this episode.Pure greatness.JUST.I need some time to breathe because I had a hard time doing it during the episode...So many awesome scenes <3 LOVED IT.But serously.KILL THAT BASTARD CROWLEY RIGHT NOW.DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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  8. Andrezza9 May 2013 at 03:07

    AGree! ...I'm sorry, but that was an utter disappointment.

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  9. ZoeF9 May 2013 at 03:08

    Very unhappy that they killed Sarah. Dabb does too much killing for effect in my opinion. And I miss when Crowley was fun.

    So Cas is doing the heaven trials. I've stopped wondering what story they'll bother giving Dean. So I'll just enjoy his performance.

    Nerxt week looks great! I hope Crowley lives and there's a power struggle between him & Abaddon next season, and one in heaven with these "players" as well, because that would be epic.

    And dare I hope Adam will be rescued, if Michael is hauled out of the cage to finally reestablish order in heaven? Jake Able wants to return, at least he implied that in the interview he gave. One can hope, right?

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  10. Charlene Buchanan9 May 2013 at 03:08

    what did i think mmm? to be frank i fu..king enjoyed this sooo much that i cannot actually wait till next week and let me say i have never felt like this since s5 episode 22 swan song .It is making me mad though about Sarah i loved her like most ! and even sadder that she had a daughter ...But moving on i love Cass in this trying to buy dean beer and pie and him getting angry when the shop keeper said they were out ...I think raising abaddon was a big mistake she is pure evil but cool ... The first 10 mins of the episode were ok ,but the last 20 were so griping and leaft me wanting more and more .Crowlet was so awsome as a baddy in this episode and it mean's war between him and dean and sam more than ever due to killing Sarah ...I would of liked to see them curing a demon but then that would be to easy and that...This to me just gave me like say for intance starters to a meal we have soup and then the final will be e.g stakepie if you know what a mean basically it is setting the final up for a kick ass one at that

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  11. Megan_B9 May 2013 at 03:09

    I guess Crowley read the books where Azazel and his demons were doing the exact same thing of killing people they knew (and it kind of worked well in S1 too)...damn you Crowley X_X One thing I didn't get, how did he find Jenny? She wasn't in S1 to 3 (the published books)


    Moral of the story; if you play in heartland and SPN, you're gonna die bloody

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  12. ZoeF9 May 2013 at 03:11

    Agreed. What was good was very good, what was bad was like a worm burrowing in the ear.

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  13. ScottA9 May 2013 at 03:14

    Even money that Balthazar was the daddy of the waitress.

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  14. rehabber9 May 2013 at 03:18

    I have already picked out my favorite quote..I liked the old hair cut better. Me too Sarah, me too.

    As much as I adore Cas, was glad to see Dean did not let him off the hook so easily this time. Hope he does not go off on his own without them knowing....AGAIN.

    I knew Cas was going to hunt for pie and he did not disappoint. lol Loved it.
    Will watch again tomorrow..excellent ep.

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  15. Charlene Buchanan9 May 2013 at 03:19

    a think because she was in a witch episode in s7 and he had witch connection or something ??????? a dont know lol

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  16. David Fischer9 May 2013 at 03:21

    "How do you even know about these people?"
    *cue Supernatural books on Crowley's desk*

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  17. David Fischer9 May 2013 at 03:22

    I have to admit I was rooting for the waitress. She knew they considered her an abomination and was well within her rights to defend herself.

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  18. C P9 May 2013 at 03:22

    Really intense episode, so mad they killed off Sarah. Crowley must die! Grrrr.


    Poor Sam. Another girl he liked dead. :(


    I can understand why Dean wouldn't want to forgive Cas quickly with his history of trying to do good by himself and it backfiring, but couldn't help feeling bad for Cas with his expression. Really hope he tells the boys asap about the trials for Heaven, they need to know. He needs to realize he should not hide anything from them. Love how he went to get groceries to try to make amends.


    So worried and excited for next week.

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  19. C P9 May 2013 at 03:26

    Oh yeah, had a hard time watching Tommy's death. My eyes saw Ty. :(

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  20. C P9 May 2013 at 03:28

    Those books have brought nothing good.

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  21. ZoeF9 May 2013 at 03:29

    OMG wasn't Sarah the one survivor of the Sammy curse? oh no.
    And it's so like Dean, that he can so easily forgive Cas trying to kill him and beating him to death, but can't forgive Cas not trusting him wit the tablet..

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  22. Megan_B9 May 2013 at 03:30

    Me too :( Poor guy. And in Heartland they killed the guy who played Death in SPN...and you have Ty....just don't play in both serie cause you're screwed in at least one of them xD

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  23. chris6849 May 2013 at 03:30

    There was a lot that didn't work for me. I don't now if it was the dialogue or the direction, but the first 40 minutes or so seemed really slow. Dean doesn't do the silent treatment like a teenage girl. He does passive-aggressive snark. Cas is doing the angel trials? Aside from the fact that it should be Dean's, I'm not sure it makes sense that an angel without free will can do them, or that Cas signed on so quickly after what seemed like a weak reason.

    Sam/Jared was awesome - he should work injured more often. And the Sarah death, while terrible, added some emotion back into an 8-year-old show. Last year I was completely indifferent heading into the finale.

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  24. ZoeF9 May 2013 at 03:31

    I agree about Dean. I still don't get why Cas didn't trust them or at least confer with them. It needs to be explained, because that's one mega mistake he made.
    I loved that pie scene!

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  25. ZoeF9 May 2013 at 03:31

    LOL I love that idea!

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  26. C P9 May 2013 at 03:35

    Yeah, Heartland's a lot less deadly though.

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  27. chris6849 May 2013 at 03:37

    I'm starting to think the final season should be about hunting Chuck/God.

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  28. C P9 May 2013 at 03:38

    Well I think he understood Cas was under Naomi's influence, but when he ran he wasn't. And trust is very important to Dean.

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  29. Megan_B9 May 2013 at 03:39

    Even if its a lot less deadly, I still did got a huge scared with Spartland :( Especially since it was the exact same story than Barbaro (same leg, the laminintis threath...) and my heart is still totally broken for Barbaro.....:'(.

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  30. C P9 May 2013 at 03:45

    He wouldn't be able to heal her. As for finding the hex bag, maybe maybe not. The boys I doubt had Cas on their minds in the moment. Even if they considered it, they probably would assume he wouldn't come when called.

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  31. Dahne9 May 2013 at 03:49

    Agreed. Logic problems, pacing issues, plus all the clips did was remind of how much better I liked Supernatural the earlier years. Dumb brothers kill all forward momentum too.

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  32. C P9 May 2013 at 03:49

    I was terrified for Spartan too.


    I don't follow the racing world too much outside movies, but I've heard of Barbaro and Eight Belles. Sad. :(

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  33. jensenfan19789 May 2013 at 03:52

    This was an episode reminiscent of Eric Kripke. I was very shocked at times, but it was an exceptional story. I cried. How long has it been where the last two episodes of SPN made us feel excited, yet sorrowful? Season Five was the last one. Thank you, Jeremy Carver for bringing it home. I only hope from what we've seen that Season nine is not going to become the Castiel show.

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  34. Megan_B9 May 2013 at 03:53

    You should *totally* go and check ''Barbaro: a nation's horse'' that tell the story of Barbaro, its just magnificent. I fall in love with him at his last race before the Derby, I wore a hat with his name every day on Derby week....I loved him too much, I was devestated:'(...anyway no here to tell my life's story. We're kind of off-topic ^^;;


    Anyway, if you really love horse, you really need to watch the Barbaro 30-40 min thing, it's all on youtube.
    Part 1 (out of 5) is there:
    youtube.com/watch?v=pYkF046ERtU

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  35. Kerinda Hartson9 May 2013 at 03:53

    the whole ep made me sad. and another dean/cas fight I do not like when they do that and sam sweet sam allways in one the middle of it. and the Sarah thing now that hurts why do they kill off the best ones and she was the best and her talk with Sam made me cry she talked about 1st season hair so good and then she died heartbreaking poor Sam he needs to kick Crowley's ass or that Abddon bitch will make it worst that would suck.

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  36. Alexandra Kholodova9 May 2013 at 03:56

    Nah, I bet it was Gabriel (Trickster) :)

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  37. lala29 May 2013 at 03:59

    I think Dean has given Castiel a lot of chances, and it keeps backfiring on him. Dean probably thinks he's earned Castiel's trust by now but Cas never turns to them. I think Dean is a little fed up with Cas.

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  38. Black In Black Trickster '959 May 2013 at 04:04

    Haven't been able to watch but I assume its awesome

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  39. lala29 May 2013 at 04:05

    It wasn't horrible to me but it definitely had pacing problems. I didn't find tonight's Cas scenes to be as jarring as last week's, but the cut to Cas stalking that human/angel girl did break the momentum of the scene right before it. I wanted to stay with the Sam/Dean scene.

    I thought it was stupid of the boys to walk completely away from Abaddon, and to keep her hands so close.

    The hex was a good twist though. I wasn't expecting it.

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  40. C P9 May 2013 at 04:13

    I've read about him both on my own and for a Horse Management class I took in college, so I will watch. So you're a big fan of racing?


    I love the inspirational stories of the horses, hate the dark side of it like the lose of amazing horses.

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  41. MeatyStakes9 May 2013 at 04:13

    I concur, this was just depressing.

    Though yay for Abbaddon? She was so sneaky in her escape, and I just love Alaina Huffman so it will be great seeing her again; I'm also curious to know more about her human host, Rosie (was that her name?) seemed spunky.

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  42. Donna C9 May 2013 at 04:15

    The nephilim - was she evil or just annoyed yet again some angel dick was trying to kill her?

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  43. C P9 May 2013 at 04:17

    Talking about the brothers leaving Abaddon alone? That was one of my 2 problems with the episode. Other being the Nephilim not being very strong compared to the demon/human combo Jesse was. Third was Sarah, but I have to admit that did drive stakes up. It was more my problem than the writers so I'm not counting it.


    Considering how the past has gone since Kripke left, I loved this episode.

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  44. Donna C9 May 2013 at 04:18

    Yeah, I'd think it's because of the connection they had to Ruby. I'm sure that story got around Hell. I'm sure almost ALL of the unpublished stories about the Winchesters got around Hell. It's not like the last book then they were all, "Whatever happened to the Winchesters? I haven't seen a new book in ages. Does Chuck think he's George RR Martin or somebody?"

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  45. Emily9 May 2013 at 04:19

    Well, now we know. It's not just girls who have had sex with Sam that die. Now if you even kiss him you're dead.

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  46. Donna C9 May 2013 at 04:20

    I thought the same thing. It bugged me how she seemed to turn on a dime from nice to plain old evil.

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  47. C P9 May 2013 at 04:21

    Yeah, I'm trying to figure that one out. Was so hoping Cas would refuse, and I think he may have if she hadn't started fighting so quickly. :I

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  48. Megan_B9 May 2013 at 04:22

    I am since 2004 :) I started getting into races (well real life/live races, not just books/movies) like 2 days before the Derby and for my first Triple Crown watch, Smarty jones lost by like 1 lenght the last race...and he had such an amazing story. Sadly, many people only hear about the dark side, only hear about races when things like Eight Belles, Barbaro...Ruffian in '75 happen. But there's also a lot of great stories, good stories you heard, great horseman loving their horses, horses who have the greatest love to win than you can imagine, stories of horses saved that you will never hear about. This year Kentucky Derby winner, Orb, often just close his eyes when he's on the racetrack, just stop and hear the others run, enjoy the wind...enjoy just being a racer. He has the same type of body than Barbaro and trained the exact same way <3 He's my first love since Barbaro, rooting for him to get the Triple Crown

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  49. Donna C9 May 2013 at 04:22

    >>I'm not sure it makes sense that an angel without freewill can do them,<<


    I agree with the comment about "free will", but I watched last week's right before this week's and Naomi told Castiel he rolled off the assembly line with a broken chassis. He never did function the way all of the others did. Meaning, he had more free will than most.

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  50. Freda9 May 2013 at 04:23

    Well, in the Bible, nephilim were children of fallen angels (demons) and humans. So they tended to do great acts of evil. Not sure on the show, she seems pretty ok until they tried to kill her.

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  51. SuePo9 May 2013 at 04:23

    Contrived drama strikes again. Why did they wait so long to give the boys an actual reason for their big revenge Carver's been talking about all this time? Revenge that applies to one episode? That's what drives the season long arc? I liked the game Crowley was playing. Very sinister and ruthless, but its impact is stunted with only one episode. They really need to learn how to pace a season.

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  52. C P9 May 2013 at 04:26

    But Ruby wasn't around in S7 and while the unpublished books apparently were leaked online (Charlie said) they don't go past S5 when Chuck disappeared.


    Could be Crowley did some digging or followed them a bit in S7, I guess.

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  53. Freda9 May 2013 at 04:28

    Completely agree about the hair cut - either way Jared has a head full of really pretty hair.


    While I agree with you that it was good Dead didn't let him off the hook so easily - it feels like it was completely written that way so Marv and Cas would start closing the pearly white gates. The pie and busty Asian beauties were funny. ;)

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  54. C P9 May 2013 at 04:28

    Trust works both ways.

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  55. Freda9 May 2013 at 04:29

    lol. That would make the characters Sam and Dean really happy.

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  56. João Paulo9 May 2013 at 04:33

    Wow great episode. Abbaddon escape. Cas and Metatron try to close the gate of Haven? O.O ...............And Crowley is big son of B****.


    Oh! Man Sarah :(


    Nostalgic and awesome episode.

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  57. ZoeF9 May 2013 at 04:33

    Yes I don't blame him, considering all he did in Purgatory for him, then accepting that beating without rancor, Cas not trusting him and taking off with with the tablet, with all at stake, must really anger him.

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  58. ZoeF9 May 2013 at 04:38

    Oooh! I like that comparison with Jesse! Aw, now I'm a bit gutted. A human/angel combo should have been awe inspiring, stronger than a demon/human any day.
    And they shot any chance of revisting this, by saying she was the last one. ugh this writer...

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  59. João Paulo9 May 2013 at 04:39

    This is definitely not an weak episode, ok have is problem, but the positive moments was far superior, so get over.

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  60. C P9 May 2013 at 04:46

    In the bible they were also beast looking. SPN seemed to take a more sympathetic approach until the nephilim fought back. I know the only reason the writers had her go for Metatron's throat was to make it okay for Cas to kill her. He was saving Metatron.

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  61. ShatteredOne9 May 2013 at 04:52

    First of all, damn, Sarah was by far my favorite one-episode guest star! Plus Taylor Cole is gorgeous and I wish she got more work. Anyway... damn you Crowley!


    Now... holy crap! Another actually really good episode. After a season of very mild or bad episodes, they have finally hit a good stride of great episodes. I hated Sarah dying, but Crowley talking to the brothers as they search for the hex bag was awesome. Crowley has solidified himself as the biggest, baddest villain the show has had. He knows how the boy's work, still a bit cocky, but he's still alive. I still think he's overstayed his welcome on the show, but they're hopefully gearing to finally offing him and after what he did to Sarah... I can't wait!

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  62. Donna C9 May 2013 at 04:57

    Oh, I thought she was one of the women from that witch episode where Ruby featured. Either way, it stands to reason these stories are getting told outside of Chuck's writing about them.

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  63. Donna C9 May 2013 at 04:58

    Josie Sands. She seemed to have a bit of a thing for Henry Winchester, too.

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  64. Donna C9 May 2013 at 04:59

    That boy is poooooisoooooon ...

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  65. Donna C9 May 2013 at 05:00

    Or maybe Cas felt the Winchesters had enough on their plate and didn't want to burden them with it? I'm not a fan of Castiel at all, but that does seem to be in his character at times. He doesn't want to be a burden on anyone.

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  66. Andrezza9 May 2013 at 05:03

    In an episode that is connection to season finale and the best part was the Castiel shopping, so this episode had big problems for me. Praying for the 8.23 to be very good, want to good expectations for the season 9.

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  67. ScottA9 May 2013 at 05:03

    Is Garth still missing? Even HE wouldn't have left Abaddon alone without at least a Devil's Trap on the floor.



    Maybe she's the new Big Bad (along with Naomi) next season.


    Can't believe we haven't even begun to develop Metatron as a character and Naomi has him in the chair. Maybe she turned thtat part of heaven into a bondage parlor?

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  68. C P9 May 2013 at 05:05

    I love the story of Seabiscuit and Secretariat. I love the little horse beating odds and amazing feats of horses running fast. Definitely know that the horses love to run and that there are some great trainers and owners out there that will do much for their horses. Charming part of it all.


    But some are unfortunately there just for the money- giving horses drugs and putting speed at #1 importance. I wish they'd stop breeding horses with high concentrations of Raise A Native's bloodlines like Eight Belles had. Pre-disposed to injuries. Raise A Native and Native Dancer had leg problems and Eight Belles had 3/4 of her bloodline tracing back to Raise A Native. Other horses bloodlines are out there too with bad legs, that was just an example. I did research for an essay I wrote for class.


    I believe in keeping racing, but the laws and the horse community need to try to improve.

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  69. C P9 May 2013 at 05:12

    True about Cas- definitely was his problem in Season 6. Didn't want to bother Dean cause he had a life outside of the SPN world so he teamed up with Crowley.


    But he said in words he didn't trust Dean the last time they saw him, so I'm sure that hurt.

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  70. Megan_B9 May 2013 at 05:16

    Bad legs and injuries are the trade mark of Unbridled's song foals sadly (. One sad exemple of the ''Speed thing'' was just last year Derby/Preakness winner who was sold to Japan cause nobody wanted him in America...when you have a horse with stamina, nobody wants him, even if the biggest races are at 1 1/4 mile (Derby, BC's Classic, Subai World Cup...santa Anita hand.)....go figure

    at least many improved after Barbaro, proud of the Barbaro's fans. And we're slowly going to a medication free reglementation, its starting:)

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  71. C P9 May 2013 at 05:20

    That a reference to a song?

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  72. C P9 May 2013 at 05:24

    They also made the first trial of the Heaven tablet seem way too easy.

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  73. C P9 May 2013 at 05:26

    Yeah, quite likely through demon gossip channels.

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  74. C P9 May 2013 at 05:28

    Yep, it is. :)

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  75. lala29 May 2013 at 05:29

    Hahaha!

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  76. Peter J49 May 2013 at 05:34

    Cas hurt Dean a great deal, even if he may not have meant to. I thought Dean's reaction made sense for him. I was more annoyed by the glib references to torture, given Dean's past.

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  77. C P9 May 2013 at 05:38

    So true about the torture part. :I

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  78. lala29 May 2013 at 05:40

    It's never very clear w/Cas.

    In S6, I could buy him not wanting to burden Dean w/his problems as Dean supposedly left the life, but he went completely off the rails when he hooked up w/Crowley. Dean could have told him that hooking up w/Crowley wouldn't lead to a good place. And then he dropped Sam's Wall just to distract Sam, and he killed Bobby's ex-girlfriend. Even in that season, Dean told Castiel he could have come to Dean, and Dean would have helped him figure it out.

    Here, Cas disappears w/the tablet. He doesn't respond when called. He's just not very reliable. Are they friends or aren't they? I can understand why Dean is completely frustrated w/Cas.

    I did think it was cute that Cas went shopping for Dean's favorite things in an attempt to earn Dean's forgiveness.

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  79. Megan_B9 May 2013 at 05:40

    They really should've burned every copy of those books^^;;;

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  80. Freda9 May 2013 at 05:42

    That is still really grey ground - they were there to kill her. She originally was completely fighting in self defense (and winning). True, SPN hasn't really stuck that closely to the bible - but I thought that they were more giants as opposed to beast-like.

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  81. C P9 May 2013 at 05:46

    Yeah giants. I don't exactly know. Never read that part.


    And yes, it's still indeed very grey ground, but I'm sure the writers believe it's passable.

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  82. lala29 May 2013 at 05:48

    Agreed! The change was a little quick. Plus, it wasn't clear to me why she was so strong since she was only half angel. They are both full angels. Shouldn't they be much stronger than a half human/half angel?

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  83. lala29 May 2013 at 05:48

    Oh, I agree. Cas does need to extend some trust to Dean. Why would Dean work against Cas anyway? He wouldn't.

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  84. V_s9 May 2013 at 05:50

    Actually, the nephilim in the Bible were heroes. The Bible doesn't say what any of their deeds were, just that they were recognized as heroes. But just as demons in the show aren't fallen angels, it's not unexpected that nephilim in the show wouldn't be heroes either.

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  85. V_s9 May 2013 at 05:59

    You're right. The Bible never describes the nephilim physically. Many people interpret them to be giants because when the Israelites were trying to take the promised land, their spies saw that the land was overrun by giants, and the spies claimed they saw nephilim. However, it's not clear whether they were saying that the giants were nephilim or whether they were lying about having seen nephilim because of the nephilims' reputation.

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  86. C P9 May 2013 at 06:03

    Never heard about that in the bible. Only version I've heard of is nephilim in bible being bad.

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  87. Donna C9 May 2013 at 06:05

    They were talked about in detail in the Book of Enoch. One of the books removed by the Catholic church when they were putting the Bible together. Didja know the Nephilim were the real reason for the Great Flood?

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  88. Charlene Buchanan9 May 2013 at 06:07

    yeh a miss chuck :(

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  89. C P9 May 2013 at 06:09

    Except it's online now too.

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  90. Donna C9 May 2013 at 06:10

    Or maybe the real Trial wasn't so much the actual fight but deciding whether or not one could murder an innocent person? That's where Castiel's hesitation came from until she put Metatron into mortal danger. Even then, I find something odd about that. Metatron's more powerful than he lets on, I believe.



    He may well've been in the "secretarial pool" until God picked him to write the Word. After that, though, he had to get some upgrades. In addition to giving a Native American group immortality in exchange for ordering books for him offa Amazon, he's hidden himself well and managed to yank Kevin from Crowley's boat without even physically GOING there. So, it's my thought Metatron purposely began to lose the battle to allow Castiel to feel okay with killing the girl.

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  91. Megan_B9 May 2013 at 06:12

    Charlie can take care of that :)

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  92. V_s9 May 2013 at 06:13

    Maybe. I just looked up the verses (Genesis 6:1-4 and Numbers 13:32-33 if you want to check them out yourself), and it actually says that the nephilim were "mighty men of old" who were "men of renown". So I guess they could be renowned for evil deeds or heroism.


    I know of a site that lets you go through different translations, so I'll run through a few and see if I can run across any translation of those verses that mark them as bestial or evil and report back if I find anything.

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  93. Donna C9 May 2013 at 06:13

    I posted a theory on that in reply to someone else's comment about the first Heaven Trial being too easy:



    Or maybe the real Trial wasn't so much the actual fight but deciding whether or not one could murder an innocent person? That's where Castiel's hesitation came from until she put Metatron into mortal danger. Even then, I find something odd about that. Metatron's more powerful than he lets on, I believe.

    He may well've been in the "secretarial pool" until God picked him to write the Word. After that, though, he had to get some upgrades. In addition to giving a Native American group immortality in exchange for ordering books for him offa Amazon, he's hidden himself well and managed to yank Kevin from Crowley's boat without even physically GOING there. So, it's my thought Metatron purposely began to lose the battle to allow Castiel to feel okay with killing the girl.

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  94. Donna C9 May 2013 at 06:16

    "Poison" by Bel Biv DeVoe - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6blgjF6UkU

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  95. CyanaT9 May 2013 at 07:45

    IA. Jessie the Cambion/"AntiChrist" was a shameless snake of Good Omens down to Jessie's age (11). Total waste of an episode even though Jessie was cute and the overall story was sound - except that Sam was supposed to be the AC! . Jessie (like in GO) grew more unknowingly powerful as Lucifer became more active until he took himself out of play and never to heard of again.
    I guess the show went with the nephilim as abominations so they were only granted some powers while Jessie's were connected to Lucifer's rise.

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  96. lala29 May 2013 at 10:58

    Yes, I had forgotten about that beatdown Dean took from Cas. Thanks for reminding me.

    No, Dean has more than earned Castiel's trust, IMO.

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  97. lala29 May 2013 at 11:04

    I remember Jesse, but remember no details of that episode since I only watched it the one time it originally aired. Hahaha!
    Thanks for the info! That really makes no sense but whatever.

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  98. chris6849 May 2013 at 11:06

    I should clarify, Cas has obviously had free will for a while because he's an anomoly, but as an angel he's not supposed to have it. The tablets were written a long time ago, and it doesn't make sense that the trials were created as something angels could do. It makes more sense that all of these trials were intended for humans who have "choice."

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  99. lala29 May 2013 at 11:08

    Was Sam supposed to be the AC though? I never thought that. He was just a vessel for Lucifer. But like I said, I never re-watched the Jesse episode so I can't remember what was said.

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  100. lala29 May 2013 at 11:11

    Yes, I thought that was going to be the "actual" trial as well like Dean's first "trial" in the Pumpkin episode or whatever.

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  101. chris6849 May 2013 at 11:12

    I think it makes sense for Dean to feel betrayed and have a reaction to it, but there's been a shift in the way Dean and Cas have been portrayed since mid-last season and Dean pulled Cas's trenchcoat from his car trunk. I was having this conversation recently with someone else, but I used to be a pretty big fan of Cas, but I'm not connecting with him or his story this year. I think part of this is I'm not believing the Cas/Dean relationship anymore. They've started writing it too over the top. It's just annoying me now rather than pulling me in.

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  102. lala29 May 2013 at 11:13

    Well, since angels on this show behave just as demons and seem just as EVIL as demons, it makes sense, IMO, to be suspicious of Metatron. Who knows what he's really up to? Probably nothing good!

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  103. chris6849 May 2013 at 11:18

    It would probably make Rob Benedict really happy too.

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  104. lala29 May 2013 at 11:19

    Honestly, the Heaven/angel trials should be something DEAN is doing, not Castiel. If anything, Castiel should be supporting Dean in that story, not doing it on his own.

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  105. lala29 May 2013 at 12:02

    That was just really dumb way for Abaddon to get free. Neither of them had to leave the room to take that call, and I'm not sure why her hands were right next to her. That was just dumb.

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  106. rehabber9 May 2013 at 12:29

    Pick up the DVD of Fallen, Paul Wesley is a Nephilim, pretty interesting.

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  107. rehabber9 May 2013 at 12:35

    NO Adam..please.

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  108. comicfangirl9 May 2013 at 12:49

    Agreed.
    BTW do we really know that Metatron is one of the good guys? Do we have proof that the first trial to close the pearly gates is to kill a nephillim? No, just Metatron said so, I would be more comfortable if Kevin translated the trail from the angel tablet.



    Every angel we met on Supernatural had his own agenda, and couldn't care less what his doings would result in for humanity. Why should Metatron be differnet?



    We know that Metatron is obsessed with great stories, he said so more then one time. I get some bad vibes from him, almost Zac like.


    I guess we find out more about that next week: *sigh*

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  109. Dominick Grace9 May 2013 at 13:50

    The Abadon stuff was amazingy dumb.
    1. Why pick ABBADON, a major threat as of the last time we saw her, to try a ritual you've never done defore on? Why not just summon some lower-level demon? (Indeed, the episode seems to have forgotten entirely that demons can be summoned.)
    2. So you pick Abbadon, but why did they even keep her body at all? Just in case they ever needed to sew her back together?
    3. given that the body was separated from the demon consciousness, why didn't it rot?
    etc etc etc

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  110. rehabber9 May 2013 at 13:57

    I have only watched this ep once so far, but didn't they say that Crowley had told ALL his Demons to stay clear of the Winchesters?

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  111. Elena Wonderland9 May 2013 at 14:06

    I'm with you too!

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  112. C P9 May 2013 at 14:23

    I love that TV movie series! I own it. I remember watching it on ABC Family when it first aired. I love the dog Gabriel and Camael the angel (played by Rick Worthy who acted as Alpha Vamp on SPN) and Ariel besides Aaron. Haven't watched it in a while, need to now. lol

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  113. Freda9 May 2013 at 14:30

    I will be sure to check that out. Just looked it up on IMDB - it will be interesting to see a different take on demons and archangels.

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  114. Freda9 May 2013 at 14:32

    Sam said that the trials were doing something to him - if that is the case, it is possible to believe that the trials will do something to an angel - a consequence that Metatron doesn't want to face.

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  115. rehabber9 May 2013 at 14:58

    I buy all of my used shows from half.com..have never found them cheaper anywhere else and they use paypal.

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  116. Freda9 May 2013 at 15:21

    Well, time is one thing - sooner they end the trials, hopefully the sooner Sam will get better and maybe one less black-eyed demon escapes from Hell. Another thing is this would have essentially "killed/cured" the demon Abbadon as opposed her something freeing her later (--obviously it didn't work out that way). Finally, if the Winchesters go about summoning demons, there is a good reason to believe that Crowley will know. He knows that they are trying to close the Gates of Hell - it might have ended the same with the reason they gave for the Hell Hounds. He might have sent hundreds.

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  117. Freda9 May 2013 at 15:24

    Not sure if he can prevent it, but if you remember, when Sam and Dean summon Crowley, he sure takes his sweet time.


    On a side note, I thought that Crowley had already given the order to stay away from the boys - they just found out about it afterwards when they were talking on the phone to Crowley.

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  118. Dominick Grace9 May 2013 at 15:45

    Summoning a Demon is faster than sewing one back together (and I still don't buy them having kept her body or it still being in a usable state, or them not containing her in a Devil's trap just to be on the safe side--or, for that matter, her being able to pull the Devil's Trap bullet out of her own head, which seems to me like a Demon inside a Devil's Trap reacing down and physiclaly erasing the line).
    The Bunker is a Demon blind zone, so even if Crowley knew they'd summoned one, he couldn't find them. Besides, since they never even really conisdered the option, we ahve no idea what their rationale for not trying might have been.
    We were told before that Abbadon was a Knight of Hell, a megathreat demon. Is that really the Demon you want to attempt a ritual you've never tried before on? Even if it's moe convenient? (For completely nonsensical reasons.)

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  119. lala29 May 2013 at 15:47

    Exactly! The angels are not to be trusted, IMO. None of them. We have no proof that Metatron is any better than Naomi, Uriel, or Zachariah.

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  120. Dominick Grace9 May 2013 at 16:22

    I've wondered about that; if you close the gates, are all the denizens not currently inside trapped outside, or do they somehow get sucked back in and locked in too? A question worth asking, one would think.

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  121. lala29 May 2013 at 16:36

    That's interesting, Chris. Is your like of Castiel connected to his relationship w/Dean?

    I like Castiel, but I'm not connecting to him either. The problem for me is he is very isolated from the brothers. I watch for Sam/Dean. I consider them the main stars and the leads. Cas is not supporting their story; he's off in his own story. That is a problem for me b/c it disconnects me from Cas. I think it would work better if the Winchesters were involved in Castiel's story. So far, they aren't involved at all so it's been hard for me to connect to Cas.

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  122. chris6849 May 2013 at 16:42

    No, it's only a small part of it. But I'll admit, I found myself pulled into the drama between the two of them at the end of season 6. I've given up on Cas having any kind of personal relationship with Sam, but without at least feeling some connection with Dean, Cas becomes a lot less interesting - and as I said, I'm just not believing what we're getting right now.


    I guess I could say as a blanket statement that it's usually the character arcs and character interactions with each other that pull me into a story.

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  123. V_s9 May 2013 at 17:28

    In the beginning of the season we were told that the demon tablet was going to throw all of the demons on Earth back into hell and THEN lock the doors forever. So if the angel tablet does the same thing, but for angels, it should throw Cas and Metatron back into heaven (and possibly Michael and Lucifer, come to think of it) before the doors are locked up there.


    Of course it is still entirely possible that the writers will forget about or ignore that provision from earlier in the season when the trials are finally completed, but that's what we were originally told that the tablet would do.

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  124. Topaz9 May 2013 at 17:39

    I wish they'd given that storyline a bit more time. 5 minutes as a subplot seems a shame if she's the only one in existence. Would have liked the folklore to have been expanded on it.

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  125. Topaz9 May 2013 at 17:42

    My issue with the nephilim fight was that I couldn't work out why the angels didn't just vanish and reappear somewhere to confuse her. Do angels suddenly forget they have magic powers when they're in a fight?

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  126. Topaz9 May 2013 at 17:50

    Some odd stuff is going on with Castiel's characterisation this year. The moment in the store seemed very "Cas", I loved it, but for the scene where he was in the bunker with Dean he just seemed way, way too human. I think the writers are struggling to get to grips with Cas' relationship with the brothers. It's a difficult one, if Cas is thousands of years old and has only known Sam and Dean for a tiny fraction of that. The fascinating aspect of that relationship is that they've had such a profound impact on him in such a short time but in that scene and also his scene with Metatron he comes across as too present in his surroundings. It makes it hard to remember that he's really only half there and that the body we see speaking is just a means of communication. I can see the challenge - making the angels relateable while also having them be a strange and unknowable "other", and I think they tilted slightly too far into relatable in this episode. Just makes them a tad less interesting.


    Having said that I did really like this episode a lot. It's a little niggle. That and people doing stupid things like leaving spectacularly powerful demons alone in a room. What?

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  127. Topaz9 May 2013 at 17:52

    Also how did he figure out what the last trial was? Wasn't that the whole point of him kindnapping Kevin, to try and figure it out? And Kevin didn't tell him. So how did he know?

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  128. Topaz9 May 2013 at 17:52

    Yeah I immediately thought "this is a terrible idea" as soon as Dean suggested it. They would have known better.

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  129. lala29 May 2013 at 17:52

    I hear ya. You're right about Sam and Castiel never having a relationship, and if his relationship w/Dean is gone too, then he will definitely be a lot less interesting. But I don't foresee that happening. Dean is upset now, but I know he will get over it eventually.

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  130. Topaz9 May 2013 at 18:00

    Well, apparently Cas never changes. And I doubt he's exactly used to having to take guidance from humans. Am I the only one that feels like there's something suspect about Metatron's "trials"? Maybe it's just been written clumsily, but I feel like it's been thrown in so close to the end of the season that it must be some kind of double cross.

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  131. Topaz9 May 2013 at 18:02

    I agree, I feel like there's something suspect about these Angel Trials. It's just come so out of the blue so close to the end of the season. The alternative is just that it's been really, really badly paced so I hope the first option is true.

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  132. rehabber9 May 2013 at 18:09

    Maybe the actress was cheap to get??

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  133. chris6849 May 2013 at 18:46

    I'm sure Dean will get over it. It's more that Dean and Cas have written with very soapy dialogue lately, and the scenes just seem too fake. I don't buy into Destiel, but I liked the friendship, which used to seem more realistic, that they used to have.

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  134. ScottA9 May 2013 at 18:55

    The writing staff isn't strong enough for 23 episodes. Maybe time to go to 13 (like Sons of Anarchy) and have complete mayhem for those episodes. Cable series, in my opinion, are far better than network shows for this very reason.


    And maybe Eugenie should stick to pancakes.

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  135. ScottA9 May 2013 at 19:03

    THANK YOU! I've been preaching about that for about a year now.

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  136. ScottA9 May 2013 at 19:11

    Joshua has always been the man in my book. Would love to see a little more of him.

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  137. ScottA9 May 2013 at 19:22

    Dean was on the phone at the start of The Great Escapist while in the bunker. (I think) He was talking to what seemed to be another hunter and the phrase "Garth still M.I.A.? " came up.



    I just figured something had happened to him.

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  138. ScottA9 May 2013 at 19:30

    So what did Abaddon mean when she called Crowley "the salesman" and said they "must be joking" when referring to him as King of Hell.


    Maybe more to that story than meets the eye. And is Abaddon saying "time to talk about a regime change" to Crowley?

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  139. C P9 May 2013 at 20:03

    Demons don't tend to disappear and reappear too often either though. Not in close range fighting.

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  140. C P9 May 2013 at 20:06

    Well Jesse, the demon/human hybred boy from Season 5 was super powerful. And from what I've read, seems being half human somehow makes them stronger than being pure angel or demon.

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  141. C P9 May 2013 at 20:10

    Pretty sure Nephilim are more powerful than angels in lore. At least what I've read.

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  142. C P9 May 2013 at 20:13

    Abaddon is from the past so she didn't know Crowley was the boss now. She called Crowley the salesman because he was a crossroads demon making deals, selling souls. She couldn't believe a crossroads demon was leading Hell.

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  143. Kiersten Hagins :-)9 May 2013 at 21:16

    Everybody is so upset that they brought back sarah just to kill her, but that was the point of the freaking episode!!! You had to expect it would happen because it's crowley's doing. I liked sarah but i expected her to die from the moment i heard she was coming back. Anyway I thought the episode was awesome!! Cas shopping was adorable because he didn't really know what he was doing, and the abbadon scenes were creepy. I also thought crowley's speech was epic and that when he sent sam that message, he used a devil emoticon. XD I give it 5 stars! (as usual)

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  144. SuePo9 May 2013 at 21:42

    I'm afraid you may be right, Scott. I have no idea why it so hard to keep everything going forward for 23 episodes. They seems to start off with what they believe is a great idea, then stall around episode 3, throw in a myth ep once in a while to remind us what the hell they're supposed to be doing, then cram everything into one or two episodes at the end.

    Unfortunately, at least this year, they've alienated a large portion of the fanbase who have no emotional investment the story they think they're telling. It amazes me that they think this OK. I'll compare to Justified - every episode is a rollercoaster. Every single week -- whether they focus on the actual arc of the season or just some aspect of Raylan Given's life struggles -- they move the story along one way or another. I know it's only 13 eps, but geesh, I think I'd settle for that if it kept these writers intelligent and focused instead of lazy and repetitive.

    How many Sam Cheerleader speeches did we hear? Instead of telling us over and over how he's the only hope (Help me Obiwan Kenobi!) Just fricking start showing us!! It's made the whole thing irrelevant and I don't care anymore. That's just me, tho. Push something in my face so many times and I just get annoyed and walk away. I have no idea how they'll do next season. More of the same? Or will they learn from mistakes? Do they even know how many mistakes they made? Do they even care? So many questions... Sorry for the rant. I'm Frustrated. And annoyed. And more than a little pissed. :) Silver lining: easiest hiatus ever!!

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  145. rehabber9 May 2013 at 22:26

    I said right after Bitten if they did not want to do 23 ep why didn't they just say so. That was a very bad throw away. I would not mind less eps if they made them interesting.

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  146. Topaz9 May 2013 at 22:30

    I don't think most demons can - that was a new power they introduced for Crowley.

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  147. Freda9 May 2013 at 23:01

    Do you know where they said that? On a side note - that would be very interesting about Michael and Lucifer - maybe Adam will be back too.

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  148. Donna C10 May 2013 at 00:24

    I don't trust him either. There's some ulterior motive he has to closing Heaven. Notice he didn't seem too eager to get back into the world until he found out all of the Archangels were dead. Somewhat, he's next in line as a boss figure, with God gone. Or he could lie and say God still talks to him. God spoke only to him and the Archangels, so who's to say he's lying?

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  149. Donna C10 May 2013 at 00:26

    Angels have got to be the weakest supernatural beings on this show. They should've just sat everything out, as easy as it is to whack them.

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  150. Donna C10 May 2013 at 00:27

    I haven't seen but one person comment in the negative about Castiel doing the Trials instead of Dean. No idea why that is.

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  151. Donna C10 May 2013 at 00:30

    I think that may be the issue - they're writing them more as star-crossed lovers than friends with trust issues. And Sam and Castiel are never going to be friends of any sort. I just don't believe either one of them needs the other in the ways Castiel and Dean have.

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  152. Donna C10 May 2013 at 00:33

    Not everyone. I never cared about Sarah back in season one. The only reason it was sad to me is that she'd moved on, had a family and the only reason she is murdered is because she happened to be saved by the Winchesters. I knew it was gonna happen, too, since it was announced. It didn't even shock me she was married. Good lookin', smart woman like that is gonna STILL be single after almost 9 years? Yeah, no.

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  153. C P10 May 2013 at 00:49

    Maybe angels can't really either.

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  154. C P10 May 2013 at 00:52

    Yeah, but at least where Nephilim lore is angels are indeed less powerful.

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  155. Judy Smith10 May 2013 at 01:01

    I thought the episode was great and I thought everyone did a great job. It really started to tie up a few things for me and left wondering how the boys are going to solve some of the issues. I was sad to see Sarah die though and felt so bad for the boys when they failed to save her. Crowley really must die now.
    I thought Cas and Metatron were great together. Though I wish they could have talked to the boys first about what they are planning to do. Though the scene in the store was funny.
    I thought the story was really good and that the writers did a great job. I disagree that this was a weak episode. I am more excited then ever to see how they end this season and bring us the next season. Jeremy and friends have done a great job this season.

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  156. lala210 May 2013 at 01:50

    I think Cas has had sufficient interactions w/the Winchesters and humans, in general, to not be as unrelatable as he was when he was first introduced, so I have no problem w/him being more "relatable."

    I loved the store scene too, but it wasn't consistent w/the bunker scene. In the bunker scene, Cas seemed very human, apologizing to Dean and asking for forgiveness. In the store and Metatron scenes, he seemed detached and like the Cas we've seen since the show started. It's very odd. I agree that the writers don't quite know what to do w/Castiel. And Misha may be having a difficult time figuring it out as well.

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  157. lala210 May 2013 at 01:54

    Yeah, I don't buy into Destiel either.
    I think their friendship is just strained at this point, and Dean has realized that he cannot trust Castiel. That may be why their interactions are "weird" or "off" to you.

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  158. lala210 May 2013 at 02:02

    Interesting! I didn't know that! Thanks for the info :-)

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  159. V_s10 May 2013 at 04:12

    I'm fairly certain they said it in the premiere when Kevin was describing what the tablet does.

    Just looked it up. I was right. The transcript for the episode says:

    DEAN
    Hey. As long as it's safe, okay? Were you able to read anything else off the tablet before you stashed it?

    KEVIN
    Only the stuff about closing the gates of Hell. Forever.

    DEAN
    Come again?

    KEVIN
    Banish all demons off the face of the Earth, lock them away forever. That could be important, right?

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  160. Debbie Combs10 May 2013 at 04:52

    That is exactly what I was expecting AND hoping for. I am not a fan of characters having separate story lines from the Winchesters. I don't care if they aren't "supporting" Winchesters or needing help from the Winchesters.

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  161. SuePo10 May 2013 at 05:02

    I cringe to think of what Carver's idea of a three season arc is when he couldn't even sustain one season. I don't mind some eps with humor and some just fun hunts, but they were throwing in Harry Potter witch bars and beastiality, eps all about kids becoming werewolves, just lame eps that didn't follow any established mythology and frankly, just seemed made up on the spot. Despite the MoL ep rest conning, it was a promising idea, but it ended up just being a set and Bobby info dump replacement. Still don't know what the society was all about. Big waste if you ask me.

    I agree that Crowley should've stepped up his game far sooner than episode 22. Maybe he was buried in paperwork? Those executive positions are very demanding. I don't like goldfish. They never live very long. :(

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  162. SuePo10 May 2013 at 05:07

    From your keyboard... :). I'm just hoping for a little more intelligence. If we can see all the mistakes, shouldn't the people who get paid to notice it see them too? Unfortunately it seems like Kripke was the imagination and creative force. Carver just seems to be doing a job.

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  163. Freda10 May 2013 at 05:17

    Thanks!

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  164. Dahne10 May 2013 at 06:33

    He definitely has too many special powers for a run of the mill angel. Would not surprise me if he was being manipulative in the least as that describes basically all the angels.

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  165. Dahne10 May 2013 at 06:36

    "And I wouldn't even eat Eugenie's pancakes. I'm sure she'd just make up the ingredients and not pay attention to previous recipes."


    BWAAAHHHH!!! That's an A+ comment!

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  166. Topaz10 May 2013 at 10:45

    I see your point, but for someone who's lived tens of thousands of years, four years spent with humans is an incredibly short time to significantly change your personality. He might know the rules a little better, but I would still expect him to resolutely be apart from the world. Not to mention that most of his consciousness resides in a universe us puny humans can't even comprehend.

    Though I suppose from what Naomi's said, Cas pulls this "going human" crap all the time.

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  167. lala211 May 2013 at 01:39

    Agreed, Debbie!

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  168. lala211 May 2013 at 01:43

    Have you noticed that Castiel is the ONLY angel who has acted this way though? Uriel, Raphael, Zachariah, Balthazar, Gabriel, Naomi - they all seemed relatively "normal" around humans. None of them were w/o personality or awkward in their interactions w/humans. That just seems to be Castiel's issue.

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  169. SuePo11 May 2013 at 03:22

    Thank you. Thank you. I'm here all week. :)

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  170. Dahne11 May 2013 at 03:28

    Good to know. I think I am going to need some comic relief and copious alcohol to get through next week. :-P

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  171. SuePo11 May 2013 at 03:34

    I've decided those two things are all that's left. We just gotta do what we gotta do, my friend.

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  172. CyanaT11 May 2013 at 04:45

    Has Kevin even told the Winchesters that Metatron referred to himself as Archangel/Scribe in 8.07 ALSOK? I don't think so. I might be one of the many continuity this season but Metatron and Kevin had their first FTF in 8.21 TGE where he not rescued Kevin without being in his physical presence as you said, he nearly French-Fried the King of Hell. I think Metatron is no mere helpless Scribe, just as Ruby was no low level demon.
    I think he's playing at being helpless; I've never seen the movie The Usual Suspects but Metatron was described as being a cross between Obi Wan and Keyser Söze, actor Kevin Spacey's alter ego. and Spacey's character (allegedly since I've never seen the movie) has been described a physically unimposing but the mastermind in hiding pulling the strings of his criminal group. I think he's an Archangel but just very old one and slyly planning to take control of Heaven with Cas's help.
    I think that's the plan except something ***seems to go wrong*** and Metatron ends up in Naomi's chair. But who's to say at the moment that that wasn't his plan all along? Arrr! Waiting is going to be tough.

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  173. CyanaT11 May 2013 at 06:08

    Well... yeah. Ruby said to Sam in 3.02 to explain why she was following him "Because you're tall. And I love a tall man. And then there's the whole antichrist thing" . Gordon also called Sam the AC in 3.03 BDABR and in 3.07 FB. The "Vessel for Lucifer" may have been due to Writers' Strike because Sam was supposed to save Dean by using his powers. I did read EK had always intended to have Sam be possessed by Lucifer (or actually become an incarnation of Lucifer, I don't recall which) had his S4 rolled out as intended, but the Strike interfered with this plan.
    So I was surprised when Cas said Jesse was the AC, half human/half demon and that was straight out of "Good Omens".

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  174. CyanaT11 May 2013 at 06:15

    I've been playing around with the idea that Metatron has been playing Cas for some reason, perhaps to make Cas guilt-ridden and more pliable. We only have "Marv's word" that killing the nephilim girl was the first trial. Kevin does not have access (yet) to the Angel Tablet.

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  175. lala211 May 2013 at 15:23

    Okay, that makes sense.

    I guess when I think about the anti-Christ, I think of someone whose mother unknowingly had sex with the Devil and spawned the AC. The PK situation never seemed like an AC situation to me. For a while there, Jake was going to be the vessel, not Sam. Are there usually so many potential ACs out there?

    It just seemed to be an entirely different situation!

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  176. lala211 May 2013 at 15:37

    Agreed. 13-16 episodes is enough. We'd probably get less pointless filler like Amelia, "Bitten," and Krissy and more substantive materials. Plus, the cable shows run all at once with none of these horrible breaks.

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  177. Topaz11 May 2013 at 15:52

    Yeah, it just feels off. But I'm still in two minds as to whether that's intentional or just because the season has been clumsily paced.

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  178. Topaz11 May 2013 at 16:01

    Woah woah, that's like saying Spock has no personality. Take that back! (I'm joking)

    I suspect that's a question of acting choices. But you could also say that the closer an angel gets to humanity, the more the differences assert themselves because most of them don't have to understand the more mundane details of life (such as voicemail or buying pie). For example, with a computer, it's much, much harder to program something to be able to talk on the phone while simultaneously stepping over a puddle than it is to program it to explore questions about the meaning of the universe. It's the stuff that seems normal to us that can be most confusing. When Cas first came into Supernatural he wasn't odd, just very very distant. The oddness has come out as he's tried to integrate to a certain extent. (And in fact the more I write about this the more I admire Misha Collins acting skills, and also what a great character the writers came up with).

    Also often the angels are either 100% separated from heaven and have no desire to be part of it again, thereby choosing humanity, or 100% part of heaven with complete indifference to individual humans and their lives. Cas sort of sits somewhere in the middle.

    Or yeah, maybe even by angel standards Cas is just a bit strange.

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  179. lsbloom11 May 2013 at 16:17

    At least Gamble only killed existing characters. Carver's killing off the classics. At least the plot is moving forward and they are only alluding to having more angst about Sam needing to cleanse himself--demon blood from yellow eyes again? Seriously? I am still so annoyed with the feeling that this entire season could have fit in at the end of season 3, rather than 8. If Kripke was Chuck, Carver is Metatron with his head up his butt and no clue who the Winchesters are or what they've been doing.

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  180. lsbloom11 May 2013 at 16:36

    Maybe the angel trial can only be completed when angels start to transgress...if there wasn't a human/angel hybrid on earth, they couldn't do the first part of the trial. It's like a fail safe that can't be triggered without cause.

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  181. lala212 May 2013 at 15:29

    I don't know. I just can't imagine Balthazar, Uriel, or Gabriel having difficulty w/voice mail or personal space. I don't mind that Cas is this way, and it's definitely Misha's acting choices. But now that I think about it, we haven't met any angels as "odd" as him.

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  182. Dominick Grace13 May 2013 at 05:18

    lol! Not as cheap as an extra who wouldn't necessarily even need to have had any lines would have been!

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  183. Donna C8 April 2014 at 04:55

    I didn't see the ep where Kevin came to be in Crowley's control, but was going on with that? Was he in some replica of Garth's boat or what? If so, that'd explain Garth's absence.

    Also, as much as I love Tapping, I'm ready for Naomi to be gone. If we're gonna have Evil Women, I'd rather keep it down to ONE. And I much prefer Abaddon.

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  184. Donna C8 April 2014 at 04:55

    Re: glib torture refs. With the selective memory on canon, it doesn't surprise me.

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  185. Peter J48 April 2014 at 04:55

    Apparently everything was a replica, even the holy water guns.

    I'd like to see both ladies stay around.

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  186. CyanaT8 April 2014 at 04:55

    Because even though there's no logic that I can think of a half human/half demon and half human/half angel seem to be stronger than full demons/angels. Remember one shot Jessie the antichrist? Castiel said a hybrid is stronger in 6.06.

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  187. CP8 April 2014 at 04:55

    True. But even with the books, they can't hunt down all the copies. The fans have them with them.

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  188. CyanaT8 April 2014 at 04:55

    IMO, the so-called First Angel trial smacked of the way Ruby led Sam down darker and darker paths. She had to overcome Sam's aversion to harming anyone by throwing him the carrot of saving the hosts from possession. She set herself up as bait in 4.09, to make Sam strong enough to save her. To me, Metatron got himself in a similar 'needing to be saved" position to force Cas to have to kill the nephilim waitress. Cas needs to feel he's doing good for his kind and Metatron' s showing him how. I don't trust Metatron.

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  189. CP8 April 2014 at 04:55

    I'm not that well versed with the bible. Had a kid version growing up, never got the chance to read the real thing. The Nephilim part is not one talked about in religion school growing up or church. I just read online about the bad version.

    Read the best answer from this page: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070625164645AAZ3NZK

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  190. Freda8 April 2014 at 04:55

    I didn't like how they brought back Sarah just to kill her, but I did think that Jared and Jensen did a great job in the scene.

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  191. Freda8 April 2014 at 04:55

    I believe Sam said something about summoning a demon, but Dean said they should just use Abbadon. Great other points.

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  192. Freda8 April 2014 at 04:55

    If they close the gates while they are on Earth - they won't be locked in Heaven, just outside of it. On the other side, if they are locked out of Heaven, how will they know when the fighting has stopped?

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  193. Freda8 April 2014 at 04:55

    If they close the Gates of Hell, I think it will be all that much more impossible for Adam to come back.


    The promo made it appear that Crowley will be the demon they cure - but a power struggle between him and Abaddon would be awesome. It would be interesting to compare it to the power struggle between Cas and Raphael.


    I think that the writers feel that we, the audience, are suppose to relate to Dean the most. That is why he tends to get more emotional scenes and interactions with guest characters. He also tends to react the most to the mytharcs of Sam and Cas. I would love for the writers to switch this up a bit, but I don't think that this will happen anytime soon.

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  194. rehabber8 April 2014 at 04:56

    Right, when I was typing that thought I need to pull that out for another watch. Paul was excellent and I felt like he was just Stefan without fangs. lol

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  195. Dominick Grace8 April 2014 at 04:56

    They did, but not until AFTER they'd decided to use Abbadon. Besides, CAN Crowley prevent a Demon from answering a summons? Isn't that one of the rules?

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  196. Dominick Grace8 April 2014 at 04:56

    But how is using Abbadon a good idea?

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  197. Dominick Grace8 April 2014 at 04:56

    Yes, Crowley had given the order, and I said as much above, but S&D didn't know that at that point. Would've made more sense for them to try to summon a demon, have it not work (or even have them get the info from Crowley about demons keeping away from them) and THEN to turn to Abbadon as their only apparent option. As it is, just going to Abbadon is amazingly meat-headed, and even more meat-headed in the execution. I mean, really? BOTH of you walk out and leave a Knight of Hell unattended, and not even inside a Devil's Trap? And why didn't Abbadon simply come out and immediately kill them? She would totally have had the drop on them. Bad plotting.

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  198. Peter J48 April 2014 at 04:56

    Dean tortured in Purgatory, to find Cas. Maybe he has decided torturing under the right circumstances is fine, especially when someone killed his grandfather. I just wish we'd heard this mentioned. Some of the reactions from Cas and Dean here were a little too comic relief for me, but overall I liked their scenes throughout the episode. (not a big fan of the way the nephilim girl was written though)

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  199. ScottA8 April 2014 at 04:57

    This season needed to be like the movie The Warriors where they essentially have a fight around every corner to make it "home". Once Crowley found out there was a demon tablet and some trials he should have been peppering them with demons. Dean looks way too good for fighting monsters that long. There should be more wear and tear to get through this struggle.


    Every episode should be gut check time and it is not. And Carver's idea of a three season story arc may just end up as the goldfish in the little bowl instead of the big stuffed panda bear.

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