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Deadline Pilot Update - Networks considering limited run series

7 May 2013

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According to Deadline networks are heavily considering cable style short heavily serialized seasons for pilots such as The Once Upon a Time spinoff, The Selection, Gothica, Sleepy Hollow,Hostages and Big Thunder
Read here http://www.deadline.com/2013/05/pilot-season-the-rise-of-limited-series/
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38 comments:

  1. Lou7 May 2013 at 21:22

    I've been saying this for ages, it is clear the main networks need to make massive changes as the current TV model isn't work for anyone other than CBS and this is a good idea IMO. If it means two series getting to run 13 eps without breaks (apart from I guess Thanksgiving) that is better than stretching 22/24 eps from Sept to May. Less episodes means more quality control as well.

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  2. mauro ruffo7 May 2013 at 21:24

    fingers crossed for the selection

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  3. laura33417 May 2013 at 21:25

    Finally!

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  4. Compass_17 May 2013 at 21:27

    As long as it gives more changes for shows I want to be picked up, I've got no problem with those limited runs. I only hope that the shows that are doing well enough during their limited runs could then recieve full season orders in the future.

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  5. waterflame7 May 2013 at 21:27

    Finally! It's happening, networks are actually starting to make sense! And it's exactly for the shows that most need it - the fantasy/sci-fi ones, which don't need the produceral aspect of basically every show out there on national television.

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  6. Angela Robinson7 May 2013 at 21:31

    This is good news for The Selection, it would be better quality all around if it was Dr Who/GOT style with 8-13 episodes a season. I actually like this idea alot. The fans get what they want, the network is still churning out shows, with limited risk. Everyone is a winner.

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  7. Compass_17 May 2013 at 21:33

    The problem with this though is that broadcast networks make a lot of money from syndication. With 13 episodes per season it will take 7 seasons to reach syndication and standard contacts with actors are generally for 6 seasons. I think it will be a good model to test multiple shows but those that do well enough should then expend to 22 episodes to reach 88 episodes faster (unless they decide to reduce the number of episodes needed for syndication and then it's another story.)

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  8. Lou7 May 2013 at 21:36

    That is a good point, I think the number of eps for syndication is definitely being lowered, used to be 100 was the standard now like you say it is more like 88. I hope though they try to test it out, something has to change.

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  9. DarqueMode7 May 2013 at 21:37

    I've been saying for years that networks need more short run series and one off mini-series!


    Glad networks are finally moving in that direction, but I feel right now a number of the network short run series are only that way because they did not get a back nine episodes pick-up. Hopefully more and more will be designed from the start as 8 to 13 episode seasons.


    I will not hold my breath for networks to start having one-off mini-series. If a mini-series pulls in ratings for a network the odds are that the network will find a way to have a second season. Oh well...

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  10. mar7 May 2013 at 21:40

    But hasn't it been like that all along? Shows getting 13 episode pick ups and then get extended to 22 episodes if doing well. I don't see anything new in that method.

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  11. calliebeckett7 May 2013 at 21:42

    I don't see networks changing on whether how fast they will cancel a show...

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  12. calliebeckett7 May 2013 at 21:45

    Okay if we are going have 13 episode seasons then I guess the 1 - 3 episode evaluation period for new shows will be more important.


    If some shows need by say the 6th episode to get going....well f that approach.

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  13. Compass_17 May 2013 at 21:45

    The Following was not extended, neither was BOP, and most shows that started with limited runs didn't make it to season 2.

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  14. calliebeckett7 May 2013 at 21:47

    Why bother watching these shows on tv anyways? You have don't even have to go to hulu or netflex...there are other *ahem* options.


    Ads people will probably figure it out that there's no use advertising during commercial breaks in that there's probably no value in doing so.


    Everything will have to be subscription based *cries*

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  15. Angela Robinson7 May 2013 at 21:52

    I'm fine with them canceling the show, IF its given a real shot.

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  16. calliebeckett7 May 2013 at 21:57

    If the pilot episode gets a 0.8 in the demo and then a 0.7 in the next....the show should be pulled. Unless you're a network like the CW.


    The Selection should not and probably can't afford a 0.8 in it's pilot episode.

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  17. Justyna Kubica7 May 2013 at 21:58

    I'm actually okay with that. More shows getting a chance, less episodes, but also less filler episodes! Sounds good to me ;)

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  18. Folie-lex7 May 2013 at 22:04

    Yup! That's the spirit guys.... get with the program. I think this would be an excellent move. Some types of shows would definitely benefit very much in quality and storytelling if this indeed went down.

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  19. calliebeckett7 May 2013 at 22:10

    Less filler but less room for a "growing period" for shows? If the show is slowly getting better by episode 5.....I hope the ratings are still there by episode 7?

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  20. Angela Robinson7 May 2013 at 22:15

    I think CW shows are safe if they can level 2 million all season, with a little give to a million and a half. I'm fine with the CW pulling shows if they don't pull in the viewers.. but they need to give each show a little TLC and stop giving TVD all of the love, it doesn't need the support, it does brilliantly without it.

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  21. Cory Skelton7 May 2013 at 22:18

    Maybe it's just me but I think some of those...especially soapier ones... CAN do a 22-episode season but why not air it January-May? Like Desperate Housewives, many of the characters I preferred on that show ONLY got screen time because their seasons were long enough for them to get featured sometimes.
    However for most shows this is definitely a good idea. :)

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  22. calliebeckett7 May 2013 at 22:21

    I'm more talking about the "demo" than anything else...

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  23. Angela Robinson7 May 2013 at 22:25

    I don't understand the demo's :P From the UK, I just look at the viewing figures generally.

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  24. kyle fong7 May 2013 at 22:47

    If The CW opts for the 13 episode limited run for The Selection, I wonder if they'll keep production in Europe?

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  25. DarthLocke47 May 2013 at 22:57

    I agree! I think it would have to be easier for the writers to keep themselves in order and provide us with better shows...


    But I do think certain shows that have large mythologies could have a spin-offs or a bunch of mini series one-shots.

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  26. tariqq7 May 2013 at 23:18

    yes they said it would stay in London or Budapest or both

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  27. Folie-lex8 May 2013 at 00:17

    Agreed! Quality over Quantity is the major reason why I don't agree with the notion that shows should go on forever, and that the optimum runtime for ANY TV show shouldn't surpass 5-7 seasons.

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  28. Pascal2198 May 2013 at 00:31

    Completely agree with you on that as well! A lot of shows tend to get watered down, even before that cut off point of 5-7 seasons, just to fill time. I'm always hoping that when I start to watch a show, the creator(s) have the broad strokes of the show in mind already and know how it's going to end. It gives a show direction/purpose so it doesn't meander around. :)

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  29. Folie-lex8 May 2013 at 00:37

    Yeah you can really tell when shows are just floating around without any sense of direction... I agree that any serious showrunner should have a basic long term plan (with various contingencies) in order for the show to be a success.

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  30. calliebeckett8 May 2013 at 01:11

    Expect 7 seasons of 13 episodes! Gotta get that syndication money!!!!

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  31. Folie-lex8 May 2013 at 03:41

    If it's 7, 13 episode seasons of cohesive consistent storytelling I'm absolutely 100% okay with that.

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  32. DarqueMode8 May 2013 at 04:58

    Indeed.
    That may happen with Game of Thrones, or at least a lot of us fans hope for a prequel series and GRRM did not rule it out.

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  33. calliebeckett8 May 2013 at 19:08

    To be honest even if a show starts sucking by say Season 5, I think they would renew it for the next two seasons because of syndication.

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  34. Folie-lex8 May 2013 at 20:51

    I won't disagree with the notion, however I still believe the shorter 2 extra years will most likely suck less than the extra full season fifth one.


    Also consider: syndication requirements might also end up getting lowered because of this....

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  35. DarqueMode8 May 2013 at 21:02

    Plus let's be honest, most syndicated shows are not heavily serialized, heavy myth-arc type of series.

    The shorter season lends itself to serialized shows that have no filler and tightly written seasonal stories that one needs to watch in its entirety or they can be lost for the rest of the season.

    Most of the serials that have done well in syndication were hybrids in my opinion. Shows like Angel or Buffy etc. They have easy to follow seasonal arcs and half the season is devoted to mini-arcs or filler.



    I just don't think syndication is the goal for every show on every network I guess. Maybe I'm naive? XD

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  36. Folie-lex8 May 2013 at 21:08

    Excellent points!!!


    If I'm not mistaken though, I think syndication is more of a studio thing than a network thing, and I get studios wanting to get the most out of their shows, so I'm not surprised when shows overstay their welcome just to get to the magic 100... but I agree some shows don't necessarily "NEED" or work in syndication. DVD sales are probably a better bet for some shows...

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  37. DarqueMode8 May 2013 at 21:12

    Ahh true!

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  38. calliebeckett9 May 2013 at 17:29

    Yea that's the thing about studios.


    Sony is notorious for doing everything it can to get new season for syndication.


    Studios can discount and basically give licensing for "free" just to get another season.


    Btw, I think the CW's goal is for syndication at least for Nikita and Hart of Dixie.

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