Better than nothing for sure but Nikita is so kick ass what am I going to do without Mikita and Salex?! I really hope they give it a full pick up or at least over 13 episodes.
I'm thinking the same thing OR perhaps The CW doesn't care about the business side and just want to give the fans what we want: 1 more season and a proper send off. After all, they do give their long running shows a shortened final season and I would consider 3 seasons pretty long running on the CW lol. Pedowitz has been kind to us Nikita fans so this isn't the worst thing that could happen.
Shows have been syndicated with less than 88-The Unit,Flashpoint,Veronica Mars,Til Death,Ugly Betty, and Community if it gets cancelled this season just to name a few.Boston Legal was syndicated with around 70 episodes but did last 101 episodes.If CW gives Nikita ashort final fourth season,they must know they can syndicated with less than 88.
Several shows have been syndicated with less than 88-Veronica Mars,Til Desth,The Unit,Flaspoint,Leverage,Ugly Bettypossibily Community just to name a few.CW must know they can syndicate Nikita with less than 88 if they're even considering a short season.
So someone just tweeted this to Craig Silverstein and he said that he didn't know where they got that number from. https://twitter.com/sesfonstein/status/325739294075527168
That was my point.This time last year, the same sites said GG would get a 8-13 episodes final season, then they said it would be a ten episode final season.Then it was confirmed for 10.Just like what's happening with Nikita now, but fans won't know til Nikita's renewed /confirmed for ten final episodes that this true.
I suppose 10 more episodes would give them enough time to wrap up any stories and get them to 76 episodes? I still think they would want to go for the whole 22 to give them a more solid 88 for syndication, but if all we get is 10 then so be it. I don't know what will do better than Nikita on Fridays. Supernatural isn't going back, it's doing too well on Wednesdays. I can't see them starting a new show there. Maybe BATB? But that seems more like a kill move than a chance to pull Friday up. Well, I'll wait for the official announcement.
Different sites had different numbers thrown around even though a shortened season was to be expected, but it's the exact number of episodes that's in question.
76 episodes for syndication is not bad, but 22 would make much more sense. 88 is the magic number, but I can understand if the CW doesn't want to spend too much money on it, maybe the think they can save some money, give the show a propper ending and still, somehow, sell it to syndication. But still a full and final season renewal would make sense. Or at the very least a 14 episodes final season, 80 episodes is a near number
The showrunner tweeted and said he doesn't know where they got the number from. Just tv sites making news out of nothing. It will be a full season or none at all.
That was my point.This time last year, the same sites said GG would get a 8-13 episodes final season, then they said it would be a ten episode final season.Then it was confirmed for 10.Just like what's happening with Nikita now, but fans won't know til Nikita's renewed /confirmed for ten final episodes that this true.
Several shows have been syndicated with less than 88-Veronica Mars,Til Desth,The Unit,Flaspoint,Leverage,Ugly Bettypossibily Community just to name a few.CW must know they can syndicate Nikita with less than 88 if they're even considering a short season.
I'll take the 10 episodes, as long as they can finish the story properly.
It would be better a full season of course.
I love Nikita. I've loved every season and rarely am upset with the writers choices and the show direction. I'll miss this show so much when it is gone. It's in my top 5 shows.
No show on CW is going to do good on Friday. Only their top rated shows like Arrow and Vampire Diaries could survive there, but that would ruin their numbers so that would never happen. The CW needs to realize this.
10 is a super weird number for The CW. At least do 13 so it's a full season (to me on broadcast TV a full season is 13 or more episodes) but I loved the first three episodes of Nikita. I stopped watching with the intent to return to it later but if it's as good as people say I hope it gets a 22 episode final season or AT LEAST 13.
Well the ratings are piss poor but they have been for 2 seasons now so why not just bite the bullet and either cancel it at the end of this season or just get it to syndication numbers with the 21 episodes it needs next season? A short season makes no sense at all.
10 is the number of episodes they usually run in the fall. If they did 13 episodes they'd had to air some in the fall and the last batch of 3-5 episodes in January.
I'm really dissapointed that they want to cancel Nikita - it's an awesome show. But as long as at leat we'll get a conclusion to the series I'll survive. I hate when they cancel shows after finishing a season that ends in "To be continued" - that's the worst!!
NO WAY. Nikita is doing great! Craig Silverstein is a genious man, the cast is beyond talented, the storyline for this third season is just amazing. The CW can't just ruin a great show like that. They kept Supernatural running for years and it was a lame show. Give to Nikita a full season and move it to wednesday, I'm sure that the ratings will go up.
10, 13, 22, 42.. it doesn't matter. Not many networks are going to be clamoring to syndicate a show that can barely muster over a million viewers and a paltry 0.3 in the demo for its original run. It'll be lucky to run late nights on some third-tier cable network like Cloo.
I don't know what to believe anymore, so I'm just gonna wait and see. Frankly, as long as the writers get a final season to wrap things up and deliver a satisfying finale, it doesn't matter to me how many episodes are in it.
Not necessarily, they could run 13 episodes without any breaks if they wanted to and that's usually the number of episodes a show usually gets in a shortened season.
They just killed off Sean while knowing that the Sean/Alex fanbase is huge. So as a Salex fan, I won't be watching the show anymore. If a show is struggling, you'd think the writers would want to do everything to KEEP their viewers. Not alienate them by killing off a character that is part of a fan favorite couple.
Yeah, syndication is a different animal. When syndicated on another channel, a show can often reach an audience that didn't catch it during its original run, or didn't even know it existed - this is especially true for a CW show, given that many people avoid that network like the plague. If Nikita is syndicated somewhere like the USA Network or TNT, which have a much more mature rep than The CW and similar action/crime shows, I could see it doing considerably better than it did in its original run.
Nikita is not doing "great" because "great" in the TV world means ratings. You might think Nikita is a great show, and I wouldn't argue with you on that, but from a business sense Nikita is a losing proposition for the affiliates. Quite frankly it was lucky to get renewed for this season. Anything beyond season 2 was a gift from the CW to the fans.
How does anyone know that Sean/Alex have a huge fanbase? They may just have a very vocal and enthusiastic one. The only way we'll know that's true is if the ratings take a bigger hit than normal over a consistent period. For every Salex fan that leaves, we could just as easily see them replaced by Olex, Malex or Balex shippers now that Alex is a free agent.
As a non-shipper I couldn't care less about Mikita, Salex, Olex, Balex or whatever other combinations you can come up with. I like these characters as individuals and the overall context of the story. This is Nikita's journey not the Salex show. What the writers actually did wrong was not give Sean a greater individual role to play or expand his character, in essence they made him expendable. If what you say ultimately proves to be true, then so be it. They're writing the story they wan't to write, not shipper fanfiction.
This just makes no sense it has never been done in recent times if this is true than CW will be known at most idiot network ever. They should wear a tagline that says "Yes we are in business to throw money away"
This show only need 21 ep to get to 88 ep the number for stripped syndication. This would be insane of CW to renew a show short of that when it would be MUCH harder to sell into syndication with numbers under 88 episodes
Also Eonline said nothing of this when they said Nikita is doing fine on fridays for the CW to get another season. That does not say short season to me if it does well for them on fridays
Tvline is a sister site of deadline they are just getting the news from them that does not make any sense business wise.
Craig (Nikita creator) also tweeted about this he said : "Where did they get that number from.first i have heard of it"
Which basically says what is tvline talking about.
I agree, but I find it unfair to the network because they are getting closure, while the network itself doesn't stand to gain so much from this decision. Which is why I wanted to point it out.
Let's not kid ourselves - networks don't give a flying toss about fans. If they're renewing Nikita, they're doing it because the studio stands to gain from the show in a way that Nielsen ratings don't reflect: most likely in this case, syndication and international sales. I'm very glad Nikita has survived this long despite its low ratings, but I'm not going to act like The CW gave Nikita fans a gift they should eternally be grateful for. As with everything else they do, their motive was profit.
I doubt it, it could be profit mind you, but I doubt it. With a 10 episode season syndication is still a long way to go, the limit for that is still the usual 100 episodes. Though there are exceptions at 88 episodes, but those are mostly sitcoms. Even rarer is syndication at less than 88 episodes, which rarely happens. So in my opinion that can't be it.
International sales? Perhaps, though without exact numbers that's hard to say. But the only one gaining from that is the studio not the network.
I'm not saying you should be eternally grateful to the network, certainly not one that has been as dickish as the CW. But it is not unheard of that a network gives a show a short season order to wrap things up for it's fans.
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Are you freaking kidding me? Nikita is just the best show and deserves a full last season... C'mon!
ReplyDeleteit's so unfair really! nikita deserves a full season :(
ReplyDeleteWHAT ? Only ten ?! :0
ReplyDeleteWell, I guess it's better than nothing :/
I think this season just is not cutting it as did past seasons! Not liking it very much!
ReplyDeletein general i agree but i just caught up on last two episodes today and they were amazing
ReplyDeleteThat... would suck. And wouldn't make much sense since they wouldn't even reach syndication that way. Or am I miscalculating?
ReplyDeleteHope this is true.
ReplyDeleteI hope they are wrong about it. We've gotta do something, a twitter campaign, anything, Nikita deserves a full season and syndication!!!
ReplyDeleteWhat's the point of making a season 4 if they're not going to create enough episodes for syndication? That sounds like a bad business move.
ReplyDeleteWe don't know until it's confirmed, the last one was 6-13 and now 10, so who knows?
ReplyDeleteBetter than nothing for sure but Nikita is so kick ass what am I going to do without Mikita and Salex?! I really hope they give it a full pick up or at least over 13 episodes.
ReplyDeleteI'm thinking the same thing OR perhaps The CW doesn't care about the business side and just want to give the fans what we want: 1 more season and a proper send off. After all, they do give their long running shows a shortened final season and I would consider 3 seasons pretty long running on the CW lol. Pedowitz has been kind to us Nikita fans so this isn't the worst thing that could happen.
ReplyDeleteShows have been syndicated with less than 88-The Unit,Flashpoint,Veronica Mars,Til Death,Ugly Betty, and Community if it gets cancelled this season just to name a few.Boston Legal was syndicated with around 70 episodes but did last 101 episodes.If CW gives Nikita ashort final fourth season,they must know they can syndicated with less than 88.
ReplyDeleteThey said the same thing about Gossip Girl last season this time and that's what happened, GG got a 10 episode final season.
ReplyDeleteActually, we didn't know about GG, they threw up a bunch of numbers for the final season.
ReplyDeleteSeveral shows have been syndicated with less than 88-Veronica Mars,Til Desth,The Unit,Flaspoint,Leverage,Ugly Bettypossibily Community just to name a few.CW must know they can syndicate Nikita with less than 88 if they're even considering a short season.
ReplyDeleteseems the cw gave up on Nikita before the fans did
ReplyDeleteIf they did, they wouldn't have renewed it at all, let alone last season.
ReplyDeleteSo someone just tweeted this to Craig Silverstein and he said that he didn't know where they got that number from. https://twitter.com/sesfonstein/status/325739294075527168
ReplyDeleteThat was my point.This time last year, the same sites said GG would get a 8-13 episodes final season, then they said it would be a ten episode final season.Then it was confirmed for 10.Just like what's happening with Nikita now, but fans won't know til Nikita's renewed /confirmed for ten final episodes that this true.
ReplyDeleteI suppose 10 more episodes would give them enough time to wrap up any stories and get them to 76 episodes? I still think they would want to go for the whole 22 to give them a more solid 88 for syndication, but if all we get is 10 then so be it. I don't know what will do better than Nikita on Fridays. Supernatural isn't going back, it's doing too well on Wednesdays. I can't see them starting a new show there. Maybe BATB? But that seems more like a kill move than a chance to pull Friday up. Well, I'll wait for the official announcement.
ReplyDeleteDifferent sites had different numbers thrown around even though a shortened season was to be expected, but it's the exact number of episodes that's in question.
ReplyDeleteAWESOME!!! if this is true nikita will end at 4 seasons, 77 episodes
ReplyDelete76 episodes for syndication is not bad, but 22 would make much more sense. 88 is the magic number, but I can understand if the CW doesn't want to spend too much money on it, maybe the think they can save some money, give the show a propper ending and still, somehow, sell it to syndication. But still a full and final season renewal would make sense. Or at the very least a 14 episodes final season, 80 episodes is a near number
ReplyDeleteThe showrunner tweeted and said he doesn't know where they got the number from. Just tv sites making news out of nothing. It will be a full season or none at all.
ReplyDeleteThat was my point.This time last year, the same sites said GG would get a
ReplyDelete8-13 episodes final season, then they said it would be a ten episode
final season.Then it was confirmed for 10.Just like what's happening
with Nikita now, but fans won't know til Nikita's renewed /confirmed for
ten final episodes that this true.
Several shows have been syndicated with less than 88-Veronica Mars,Til
ReplyDeleteDesth,The Unit,Flaspoint,Leverage,Ugly Bettypossibily Community just to
name a few.CW must know they can syndicate Nikita with less than 88 if
they're even considering a short season.
they seem to do with most shows now, because they get more excpnsvive each season.
ReplyDeleteFirefly as well, and it only had 13 episodes.
ReplyDeletea full season for Nikita it´s an amazing show they deserve it !!!!
ReplyDeleteI'll take the 10 episodes, as long as they can finish the story properly.
ReplyDeleteIt would be better a full season of course.
I love Nikita. I've loved every season and rarely am upset with the writers choices and the show direction. I'll miss this show so much when it is gone. It's in my top 5 shows.
Sorry OT/ but so much thumbs down? What's up?
ReplyDeleteNo show on CW is going to do good on Friday. Only their top rated shows like Arrow and Vampire Diaries could survive there, but that would ruin their numbers so that would never happen. The CW needs to realize this.
ReplyDeleteIdk, lots of voters for some reason.
ReplyDeleteYep, it really picked up!
ReplyDeleteGood. This season is dragging.
ReplyDelete10 is a super weird number for The CW. At least do 13 so it's a full season (to me on broadcast TV a full season is 13 or more episodes) but I loved the first three episodes of Nikita. I stopped watching with the intent to return to it later but if it's as good as people say I hope it gets a 22 episode final season or AT LEAST 13.
ReplyDeleteVeronica Mars was syndicated in the US? When and where? I don't recall that at all.
ReplyDeleteI´m sad, but better than nothing.
ReplyDeleteWell Gossip Girl had 10 for its final season
ReplyDeleteWell the ratings are piss poor but they have been for 2 seasons now so why not just bite the bullet and either cancel it at the end of this season or just get it to syndication numbers with the 21 episodes it needs next season? A short season makes no sense at all.
ReplyDelete10 is the number of episodes they usually run in the fall. If they did 13 episodes they'd had to air some in the fall and the last batch of 3-5 episodes in January.
ReplyDeleteWhat? And I was unhappy with a 13 episode final season, 10 is just.... Not fair.
ReplyDeleteI'm really dissapointed that they want to cancel Nikita - it's an awesome show. But as long as at leat we'll get a conclusion to the series I'll survive. I hate when they cancel shows after finishing a season that ends in "To be continued" - that's the worst!!
ReplyDeleteWow, I can't believe people are complaining about getting closure. Most shows don't even get these 10 episodes to wrap things up.
ReplyDeleteSoapnet has been showing Veronica Mars for some time now.
ReplyDeleteNO WAY. Nikita is doing great! Craig Silverstein is a genious man, the cast is beyond talented, the storyline for this third season is just amazing. The CW can't just ruin a great show like that. They kept Supernatural running for years and it was a lame show. Give to Nikita a full season and move it to wednesday, I'm sure that the ratings will go up.
ReplyDeleteFreaks and Geeks only had 18 episodes and has been rerun on several networks such as IFC, TeenNick and Fox Family before it became ABC Family.
ReplyDelete10, 13, 22, 42.. it doesn't matter. Not many networks are going to be clamoring to syndicate a show that can barely muster over a million viewers and a paltry 0.3 in the demo for its original run. It'll be lucky to run late nights on some third-tier cable network like Cloo.
ReplyDeleteI don't know what to believe anymore, so I'm just gonna wait and see. Frankly, as long as the writers get a final season to wrap things up and deliver a satisfying finale, it doesn't matter to me how many episodes are in it.
ReplyDeleteIf that were the case, it would've been canceled in Season 2.
ReplyDeleteFans are always like that, they always want more episodes. It's a natural reaction.
ReplyDeleteTechnically it's more of a final season than an actual cancellation.
ReplyDeleteNot necessarily, they could run 13 episodes without any breaks if they wanted to and that's usually the number of episodes a show usually gets in a shortened season.
ReplyDeleteThat's because there's no actual confirmation as of right now, which is why we're getting different numbers like 6-13 to 10 episodes now.
ReplyDeleteAs long as we get a proper ending I am good..Don't do like they did Veronica Mars.
ReplyDeleteThey just killed off Sean while knowing that the Sean/Alex fanbase is huge. So as a Salex fan, I won't be watching the show anymore. If a show is struggling, you'd think the writers would want to do everything to KEEP their viewers. Not alienate them by killing off a character that is part of a fan favorite couple.
ReplyDeleteYeah, syndication is a different animal. When syndicated on another channel, a show can often reach an audience that didn't catch it during its original run, or didn't even know it existed - this is especially true for a CW show, given that many people avoid that network like the plague. If Nikita is syndicated somewhere like the USA Network or TNT, which have a much more mature rep than The CW and similar action/crime shows, I could see it doing considerably better than it did in its original run.
ReplyDeleteNikita is not doing "great" because "great" in the TV world means ratings. You might think Nikita is a great show, and I wouldn't argue with you on that, but from a business sense Nikita is a losing proposition for the affiliates. Quite frankly it was lucky to get renewed for this season. Anything beyond season 2 was a gift from the CW to the fans.
ReplyDeleteHow does anyone know that Sean/Alex have a huge fanbase? They may just have a very vocal and enthusiastic one. The only way we'll know that's true is if the ratings take a bigger hit than normal over a consistent period. For every Salex fan that leaves, we could just as easily see them replaced by Olex, Malex or Balex shippers now that Alex is a free agent.
ReplyDeleteAs a non-shipper I couldn't care less about Mikita, Salex, Olex, Balex or whatever other combinations you can come up with. I like these characters as individuals and the overall context of the story. This is Nikita's journey not the Salex show.
What the writers actually did wrong was not give Sean a greater individual role to play or expand his character, in essence they made him expendable.
If what you say ultimately proves to be true, then so be it. They're writing the story they wan't to write, not shipper fanfiction.
This just makes no sense it has never been done in recent times if this is true than CW will be known at most idiot network ever. They should wear a tagline that says "Yes we are in business to throw money away"
ReplyDeleteThis show only need 21 ep to get to 88 ep the number for stripped syndication.
This would be insane of CW to renew a show short of that when it would be MUCH harder to sell into syndication with numbers under 88 episodes
Also Eonline said nothing of this when they said Nikita is doing fine on fridays for the CW to get another season. That does not say short season to me if it does well for them on fridays
Tvline is a sister site of deadline they are just getting the news from them that does not make any sense business wise.
Craig (Nikita creator) also tweeted about this he said : "Where did they get that number from.first i have heard of it"
Which basically says what is tvline talking about.
Sure, of course it is. But there is a point where people just sound plain ungrateful. :)
ReplyDeleteThat's just the way things are sometimes when there are fans.
ReplyDeleteI agree, but I find it unfair to the network because they are getting closure, while the network itself doesn't stand to gain so much from this decision. Which is why I wanted to point it out.
ReplyDeleteNever meant any disrespect! :)
Let's not kid ourselves - networks don't give a flying toss about fans. If they're renewing Nikita, they're doing it because the studio stands to gain from the show in a way that Nielsen ratings don't reflect: most likely in this case, syndication and international sales. I'm very glad Nikita has survived this long despite its low ratings, but I'm not going to act like The CW gave Nikita fans a gift they should eternally be grateful for. As with everything else they do, their motive was profit.
ReplyDeleteI doubt it, it could be profit mind you, but I doubt it. With a 10 episode season syndication is still a long way to go, the limit for that is still the usual 100 episodes. Though there are exceptions at 88 episodes, but those are mostly sitcoms. Even rarer is syndication at less than 88 episodes, which rarely happens. So in my opinion that can't be it.
ReplyDeleteInternational sales? Perhaps, though without exact numbers that's hard to say. But the only one gaining from that is the studio not the network.
I'm not saying you should be eternally grateful to the network, certainly not one that has been as dickish as the CW. But it is not unheard of that a network gives a show a short season order to wrap things up for it's fans.