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Doctor Who - 50th Anniversary Special - Big Spoiler/Rumour on John Hurt's Character

19 Apr 2013

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72 comments:

  1. Katarzyna Skop19 April 2013 at 22:57

    Well. If that's true (I fucking hope not!) then all of Moffat's creative "eleven" jokes throughout his run would be wasted.

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  2. marsi19 April 2013 at 23:13

    This is... really.... stupid ... idea... no. no. Hurt is maybe Doctor! But maybe 12th, or 13th on his end. Actually on Doctor´s end story.

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  3. Kaalyn Johnson19 April 2013 at 23:18

    Unless the purpose is to make the next regeneration the 13th (and supposedly final regeneration of) Doctor. And the Valeyard comes into play, which would explain why the Silence were afraid of his future.


    Really, I hope it's true, if only because I don't want to start thinking of 10 as 11 or 9 as 10 or whatever.

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  4. Barbora Přechová19 April 2013 at 23:42

    I actually love it! That would be brilliant if it got explained and if there was some really good reason and story behind it all...
    The 9th Doctor is after the 8th Doctor and wasn't the 8th Doctor the one involved in the Last Great Time War? Perhaps it has to do with the Time War...oh, I would love that! So much!

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  5. Barbora Přechová19 April 2013 at 23:49

    Btw. Didn't Clara say: "Run you clever boy and remember"...?

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  6. Angela Robinson19 April 2013 at 23:57

    Huh!?!?!

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  7. D0ct0r20 April 2013 at 00:19

    Are you high?

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  8. So Contagious20 April 2013 at 00:49

    Agreed again. Plus, as an extra thought, this Doctor wasn't just forgotten by his regenerations. The Daleks, their data stamp, the Atraxi's information, every enemy he's come back up against, even that machine thingy he used to find that alien from the Van Gogh episode, they all seem pretty convinced there's only eleven of him. Even if something happened during the time war, wouldn't the Dalek's information be correct? Wouldn't they know about it, and have put it in their little data stamp thing from the Lake episode? And then there's that prophecy regarding the Eleventh doctor's death ... so unless they're bringing back Tennant to kill him as the new Eleven ... but he's not even technically Eleven even given a new Nine, he's a offshoot of Eleven, 11.5 or ElevenAgain or something.

    The more I think about it, the more it seems like it'd take a massive twist and fantastically thought out story to make all these ends meet and be worth the loss of a regeneration and all the 9 to 10 to 11 to 12 confusion. Once again, IF this is true, and IF Hurt turns out to be a legitimate regeneration and not some sort of mistake or trick, I hope they really, really thought this out, because it could go wrong in so many ways.

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  9. Bruce_F20 April 2013 at 01:00

    "I hope they really, really thought this out, because it could go wrong in so many ways."
    Yeah, I'd say so. This whole idea is one big mine field.

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  10. Nancy Espinosa20 April 2013 at 01:56

    WTH!!!!

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  11. Stargazer011820 April 2013 at 07:51

    This can't be true. Don't buy it at all. Why would 9 be played by an obviously very mature man!?

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  12. Lou20 April 2013 at 08:30

    That seems too odd

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  13. Gary6520 April 2013 at 11:30

    Not true. Clara said 11 would make me cry my eyes out. As this would make Tennant the 11th Doctor, I can confirm the veracity of that statement.

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  14. MasterWho20 April 2013 at 14:30

    Well it could make sense but, it is way out of left field. It's probably just a fake story. I could see him being a future/possible Doctor that's "evil" or something.

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  15. MasterWho20 April 2013 at 14:41

    Here is a twist, what if he plays a younger version of the first doctor? I mean I assume he didn't come out of the womb as an old man. Or an "evil" doctor of the future. But apparently it's called "The Name of The Doctor" which if revealed would be more of a nuke. Never mind that little mine field lol. http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=103210 . I would be more inclined to believe those two possibilities than him being the "real 9th" lol. Since it kind of ties in to the "The Man who keeps running" , so it would make sense John Hurt played the Doctor at the beginning of his run or the Doctor where he can't run anymore and has to face his real problem. But we will see.

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  16. Jay20 April 2013 at 23:13

    I love that nobody wants John Hurt to be the new ninth Doctor, but would prefer him to be a future version. That latter idea would make even less sense, because would mean that the last Doctor will have to be John Hurt and that wouldn't be much fun and exciting to watch. Not in an action-packed sense. And that kind of wastes a regeneration anyway. I'd much rather this twist be true. I'd actually love to see it unfold and think it could be a really good story, all that lost time explained. And I trust in the writing of the show.

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  17. Donna C21 April 2013 at 05:36

    The show says he's involved with the Time War. The Big Finish audio plays never establish any of this, since they're legally not allowed to touch on anything on the TV series.

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  18. Donna C21 April 2013 at 05:38

    Maybe he's an alternate universe version of the Doctor. Ala the Doctor Who Unbound Audio series - http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Doctor_Who_Unbound. Great stuff. Dark stories. A more disturbing version of the Doctor in a few as well.

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  19. Sandi21 April 2013 at 11:09

    Oh nice catch, I hadn't thought about line being related to this!

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  20. Sandi21 April 2013 at 11:12

    I'm with you, I love the different spin that Moff may be bringing to the table for an anniversary episode if this rumour is true. Can't wait to see the story he will show us in Novemeber!

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  21. Sandi21 April 2013 at 11:15

    I wonder if the mention of the ice in his heart mentioned in Hide will tie into seeing a more disturbing Doctor in Hurt? If this spoiler is true, I expect that a repressed/regen gone wrong/hidden Doctor to be very disturbed. Love it!

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  22. Pascal21921 April 2013 at 13:10

    If this is true, I will eat my shoe.

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  23. Barbora Přechová21 April 2013 at 23:25

    Exactly. Agreed.
    I'm sure there will be more than 12 regeneration cycles because otherwise they would have to end the show after the 13th Doctor and they won't do that. So no waste at all.
    I'd love the twist and I just know that Moffat won't disappoint. The more I think about it the more I would love that... November seems so far away...

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  24. Barbora Přechová21 April 2013 at 23:28

    I wondered about the mention of the ice in his heart. (Not hearts?:) Any idea what it could possibly mean?

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  25. Barbora Přechová22 April 2013 at 00:39

    It seems to me that the line is pretty important... (besides the fact that Clara has repeated it several times now, as we know:).

    I originally thought that the meaning was to remember her and that it was also meant to empathise that she was the same person. But; why would the Doctor "withdraw to this place of peace and solitude so that he might divine her meaning", if it was so obvious?
    Also, she said it twice and then died - in those cases it could simply mean to remember her - not to forget her. However, in the BoSJ it was meant to help her remember the password. Isn't it strange that it was the first thing to come to her mind? As if the phrase had been somewhere in her subconscious just waiting to be let out?

    So, together with the fact that the woman in the shop gave her (quite intentionally the Doctor's number), my conclusion is that the phrase has a deeper meaning than the obvious one...and I got very far from the original topic. Sorry:)

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  26. Sandi22 April 2013 at 09:20

    Emma was an empath psychic so I don't think she would have picked up on the two hearts, just that there was something in him that was cold. My mind went to when he allowed the dinosaur hunter being blown up at first, it was an unusual thing for him to do, though understandable. But tbh I'm not really sure, is it something he's trying to hide (so many hidden things in that episode, great title!) either from Emma or himself, or something new in him that is trying to stay hidden...Valeyard/Dream Lord or Hurt (if this rumour is correct)...or just that he can be a little ruthless at times. Should be interesting to see play out :)

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  27. Sandi22 April 2013 at 09:35

    Well we know that the regen limit is gone/been massively raised already as per Smith's Sarah Jane Adventures, we just don't know why, so I think it is something that needs to be addressed at some point soon. It was my feeling that it was tied up with something that happened in the Time War, either the fact that it's time locked so rules don't apply or maybe it was something done intentionally to help the Timelords in their fight.

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  28. Thowell22 April 2013 at 14:50

    The Valeyard isn't tecnicaly a Doctor though. The time lord created the Valeyard they say that he is "an amalgamation of the darker side of the Doctor's nature" So pretty much after the Time Lords were destroyed so was he,but we say glimmers of the Valeyard coming back in the Dream Lord. Just thought I would point that out.

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  29. Anna L22 April 2013 at 15:31

    That would just make everything really confusing :/ suddenly we'd have to call Ten Eleven and Eleven Twelve.. I don't think this is likely.

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  30. Kaalyn Johnson22 April 2013 at 15:56

    He's an amalgamation of the darkest sides of the Doctor, but created somewhere between his 12th and 13th regenerations. Did The Master not warn The Doctor that The Valeyard was still apart of his future, or did I just dream that?

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  31. Thowell22 April 2013 at 16:01

    He may have eluded to it, but we can't trust what the master has said. Since the Time lords were going to give the Valeyard the remaining regeneration's of the Doctor which would cause a paradox if the Valeyard was really from the future. Espesally since the Time Lords cannot actcurtly predict the future it would all be guess work. I still stand by the whole "Amalgamation" of all the darkness of the Doctor, and after 1000 + years he's bound to have a great deal of darkness.

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  32. SG15Z22 April 2013 at 16:17

    It's certainly an interesting twist, but I doubt it's true.

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  33. Dale Steven Moscrop22 April 2013 at 16:32

    Just because he's dressed like what's been seen in the images doesn't necessarily mean he will be a Former incarnation of the Doctor. Is it not uncommon that other strangely dressed men in an episode of Doctor Who can have a major role without being the Doctor himself. He could be a different wanderer, of a different sort. Or perhaps another timelord. He could very very possibly be a well aged version of the 8th. Nothing says that 8 regenerated soon after we last saw him, and Timelords still grow old eventually.

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  34. Chahk Noir22 April 2013 at 16:54

    I thought they addressed it pretty well in "The Sound of Drums" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sound_of_Drums Master tells the Doctor that Time Lords resurrected him to fight in the time war. This is a pretty direct evidence that the regeneration limit is a rule imposed by the Time Lords themselves, rather than some biological limit. With the Time Lords gone, The Doctor is free to regenerate as much as he needs to, since there's nobody left to enforce that rule.

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  35. Lauren DiCicco22 April 2013 at 20:42

    Rule #1: MOFFAT LIES. He could be trying to throw us off again... ;) But it is an interesting theory.

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  36. Rema Cyphers22 April 2013 at 21:35

    I highly doubt this is true. Now, if this were like the Valeguard, who was a future version of the Doctor, or if her were that version who's future was changed based on events like the Time War, then that would make more sense than a forgotten regeneration.

    Also, just want to throw out that it was the Time Lord Counsel that made up the restrictions on regeneration, meaning that, without anyone to stop him, the Doctor has as many lives as he like.

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  37. Rema Cyphers22 April 2013 at 21:38

    Highly unlikely. The first Doctor was an older man who had lived all those years, it wouldn't make sense for Hurt to suddenly play an even younger version, considering when he regenerated, he said it was his first time doing so.

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  38. Rema Cyphers22 April 2013 at 21:40

    I'd rather he were an older version of the Eighth Doctor, considering how little we saw of him, really.

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  39. Rema Cyphers22 April 2013 at 21:41

    it was gone with the Time Lords, as it was an imposed limit by the Counsel.

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  40. Rema Cyphers22 April 2013 at 21:45

    That's true, but Tue Doctor was already fighting, presumably as Eight, so it would make sense if Hurt were playing an older Eight from before the Time War. The idea that the Doctor doesn't live very long between regenerations as of late is annoying, considering all the time he spent as his other incarnations, and I think it would be nice to see Eight more than we did.

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  41. Rema Cyphers22 April 2013 at 21:49

    Sp then it could make sense that Hurt is playing the Eighth Doctor who fought or will fight in the Time War.

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  42. Rema Cyphers22 April 2013 at 21:51

    My poi t exactly. It would make more sense that this is an older Eighth Doctor from right before the Time War.

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  43. Mike Perry22 April 2013 at 21:53

    I'd like to point out that the 8th Doctor novel The Gallifrey Chronicles said he had 3 (yes, THREE) 9th incarnations. This would tie into that. I'd say it would most likely be an alternate Nine from an alternate universe, maybe if the Time War ended differently or something.

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  44. Barbora Přechová23 April 2013 at 02:04

    That would be boring... this is more exciting. I don't have a problem with adding one to nine, ten and eleven....:)

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  45. Barbora Přechová23 April 2013 at 02:07

    Or perhaps he is contemplating it and wants to see how big the opposition would be:)

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  46. MasterWho23 April 2013 at 10:46

    Well I meant as in he is younger in age. Not another first doctor. When The Master was a kid he got the drum noise put in his head. And presumably that was his first body. And he got older I'd assume. I'm not too well watched on classic who. I've only seen a handful of those episodes. From various different doctors. So maybe I'm not getting something.

    But I like your idea better. But I'd want them to bring back Paul for that. Although the 8th Doctor's adventures happened in other media. So who knows.

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  47. MasterWho23 April 2013 at 10:47

    No it wouldn't. Because they could change history and get rid of the timeline where he becomes that version of The Doctor. Kind of like what they did with The Master when he ruled the earth for a year.Other stories have handled that type of problem. I'm not totally against him being the ninth but it seems kind of odd.

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  48. Chahk Noir23 April 2013 at 19:50

    I hate to be that "The Simpsons did it" guy, but wasn't this done before on Star Trek DS9 with one of Dax's past hosts?

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  49. James Lineback25 April 2013 at 23:06

    What if he is playing the first Doctor?

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  50. Matthew Bagnall27 April 2013 at 02:53

    Ok. So the way I see it, this could work;

    Essentially Christopher Eccleston would have came back to pretty much help explain his regeneration was a mess up and that he regenerated after the timewar meaning that Hurt would have essentially been the Doctor who destroyed the daleks and timelords - which would explain why 9 is always so sorry.

    Essentially;
    8th - McGann - killed during the early stages of the timewar
    9th - Hurt - Regenerated into death and war, he destroys the daleks and timelords out of hate
    10th - Eccleston - Regenerated after the timewar witnessing the destruction caused, sad about what he did as the 9th
    11th - Tennant - A much more caring doctor - trying to make up for the 9th.
    12th - Smith - A darker Doctor as he doesn't know who he is - no longer able to remember his 9th incarnation due to pushing it in so deep to forget + it being several regenerations ago. During his regeneration he would be split due to his emotions creating the Valeyard - fulfilling the Silents belief that the Doctors future is much more darker and dangerous for the universe.
    13th - Unknown - The final doctor would be a Doctor who would fight against the Valeyard and save the universe.

    Either way... if the Doctor only has 12 regenerations even without the Hurt theory - it still means he only has about 10 years of being on tv left... Doctor Who is almost over.

    Matt Smith will leave at either the end of this year or the end of season 8 - 2014 latest
    Next actor can only stay for a max of 5-6 years - latest 2020
    Next actor can only stay for a max of 5-6 years - latest 2026

    Doctor Who will be gone in barely 25 more years... tops. Its a depressing though but either way, Doctor Who cant last forever.

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  51. Cult_Of_The_Mechonoid27 April 2013 at 14:59

    No, RTD confirmed the line in SJA was a joke.

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  52. Cult_Of_The_Mechonoid27 April 2013 at 15:00

    Why would an older Eighth Doctor not be played by...ya know...Paul McGann?

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  53. Cult_Of_The_Mechonoid27 April 2013 at 15:02

    The three were Richard E. Grant from Scream of the Shalka, Rowan Atkinson from The Curse of Fatal Death, and Christopher Eccleston.

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  54. Edward Soto29 April 2013 at 17:16

    I would be 5,000x More likely that John Hurt is playing the 8th Doctor towards the end of the Time War, John Hurt is after all wearing 9/8ths jacket(8 switched to a jacket from his vest in the audio adventures towards the start of the Time War). Why wouldn't they then invite Paul McGann since we know he is willing to come back? Writing details may have called for an old 8th Doctor who has been fighting the war for many years and you can physically see it on his aged appearance.

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  55. Steve29 April 2013 at 19:13

    Rowan Atkinson was never cannon though.... Richard E. Grant WAS considered cannon before, not sure about now.

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  56. Steve29 April 2013 at 19:14

    I read that as ood lol

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  57. Cult_Of_The_Mechonoid29 April 2013 at 20:01

    It was two alternate Ninth Doctors, which were described as the Grant and Atkinson doctors.

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  58. Cult_Of_The_Mechonoid29 April 2013 at 20:22

    Again...why would Paul McGann not play Eight? They can easily age him...

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  59. Cult_Of_The_Mechonoid29 April 2013 at 20:23

    Yes it can. It would be easy to explain that there are now more regenerations allowed.

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  60. Lesley Power4 May 2013 at 17:24

    If this is the case why haven't three tardis' been seen on set? Only two have been seen on set, surely if John Hurt was another 'previous' doctor than there would be three tardis'?

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  61. Greg Scheuber5 May 2013 at 15:01

    Well, knowing how Moffat likes to keep people in suspense, I have oft wondered about the time war. It's rather open ended. Anything is possible. Including Alternate timelines/realities and so on. An alternate version of the doctor could somehow have been spawned in the chaos ensuing from the war itself. There are just so many possibilities! The more I watch the current season, the more I get the feeling that even clara is a timelord who forgot who she is (Romana). I know it's crazy, but it's possible that for the doctor to have sealed off the time war in a pocket of space and time, he would have needed prior knowledge of such a thing. During Baker's run as the 4th, Romana stayed behind on a prison ship to help them find a way out of a place known as E-Space, a place outside of conventional time and space. It would only seem logical that the doctor used this as a means to trap the time war there and in the process possibly creating multiple paradoxes and creating more havoc than he planned for. Any one being that could do this would indeed be feared throughout space and time! As I said before, it's a crazy theory, but with the right minds writing the story, ANYTHING is possible.

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  62. TheDevil'sAdvocate9 May 2013 at 17:14

    Actually, 12 is the last incarnation of the Doctor - he lost a regeneration when 10 aborted his own regeneration in Journey's End by shooting the regeneration energy into his old hand. I suspect this will all lead up to the Time Lord revival - precisely because the Doctor needs to receive a second regeneration cycle.

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  63. Aaron Sneddon18 May 2013 at 19:53

    John hurt is the twelfth doctor

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  64. Richard Smith18 May 2013 at 21:06

    they clearly said clara had seen all 11 of the doctor so it couldnt be a past docotr he must be the 12th or 13th

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  65. steven19 May 2013 at 00:36

    Didn't River give him hers?

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  66. The Master19 May 2013 at 19:40

    A don't now anything but this man like the DOCTOR IS FROM THE PASTTTTTTT OK ???? NOT THE FUTURE!!!!!!!! Do not confuse ΟΚ ? A AM FROM GREECE SORRY FOR MY ENGLISH I LIKE THE DOCTOR SO MUCH MORE OK relax Wait until 23
    November

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  67. The Master19 May 2013 at 19:41

    they tell us in this episode

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  68. Dudethe20 May 2013 at 13:58

    John hurt = The Other
    The Other threw himself into the Looms to escape the now despotic rule of rassillion

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  69. disqus_IS09TKaqDA22 May 2013 at 01:40

    The 12th Doctor

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  70. Bruce_F8 April 2014 at 04:08

    Well that seems very random. It this is true, it's a big, heaping, head-scratching pile of WTF.

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  71. Bruce_F8 April 2014 at 04:08

    If it's true, I just don't get it. This seems like a twist that's thrown in purely for shock value, without any real purpose beyond that. I don't think that's a good enough reason to randomly add another Doctor to the legacy of the show.

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  72. So Contagious8 April 2014 at 04:08

    Agreed, and hoping very much that's not true. We're supposed to get two more doctors; I don't want one thrown away on an odd twist. It would have to be an amazing story for it to be worth it. And Christopher Eccleston is Nine, David Tennant is Ten, and Matt Smith is Eleven. It will be confusing, and a bit upsetting, if after all this time everyone gets shoved up a number.

    Maybe it's another fake-out along the lines of Jackson Lake, or some trick of some kind being played on the Doctor, or, of course, just plain not true. I'm hoping so, because this seems ... not good.

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