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25 Mar 2013

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175 comments:

  1. Nerwen Aldarion25 March 2013 at 01:01

    Quite honestly I found this episode lame.


    August tries to warn Emma but Tamara just happens to show up?


    August dies while telling Emma but can't tell her everything?


    Emma's "His death will not be in vain!"


    Henry "We need Mother Superior" and then she shows up out of nowhere?


    Pinocchio is turned into a real boy but conveniently doesn't remember a thing?


    How many plotholes/convenient details can there be? It was a cheesy and poorly done episode used only to expose that Tamara wasn't good. But seriously, it was just bad.

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  2. Abhiroop Saluja25 March 2013 at 01:02

    Saw that last scene coming from a mile away

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  3. Lucy Batochio25 March 2013 at 01:02

    The biggest plot hole ever, August is made of WOOD, so why he was affected by the taser?


    AND EWWW. Even though I was sure Tamara was HER, seeing her kissing Greg was just... NO.

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  4. klutzy_girl25 March 2013 at 01:04

    I am not here for this "August turns back into a little kid" shit. Who thought that was a good idea? WHY WOULD YOU WANT THAT? And nobody found a problem with it? Really? REALLY?


    BRING AUGUST BACK.


    Was not expecting Tamara/Greg, tbh.

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  5. Chalice9325 March 2013 at 01:04

    Worst episode of the season so far. August is back to being a little boy really, like really? The only worthwhile scenes were Regina/Owen and Emma/Henry at the end. Oh and Tamara is really hot.

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  6. laura334125 March 2013 at 01:05

    I think i'm going to like Tamara and Owen causing trouble for everyone in Storybrooke.

    It was a good episode but not great. I'm sorry they turned August back into a boy,farewell Eion!

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  7. Chase25 March 2013 at 01:08

    All in all this episode was iffy. Tamara and Greg/Owen are more creepy to me than Cora and Rumple. But I just don't care for this new plot, it is bothering me and I don't think it is necessary. Regina need to take both of them down, she just need to get rid of them. As Cora would probably say,"OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!"
    P.S. Snow White was so cool when she was listening to Bad Reputation while shooting arrows. That was awesome. But Regina still is number one in my eyes.

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  8. Candy25 March 2013 at 01:09

    A little worried about where they are heading with this storyline

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  9. Nerwen Aldarion25 March 2013 at 01:10

    So did I. I guessed that Tamara was the mysterious "Her" Greg was calling back when she was announced to be Neal's fiance

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  10. Lysh25 March 2013 at 01:11

    I love this show, but the writing was really poor. Especially at the end. We all saw what was coming, but everyone seemed fine that August turned back into a little boy. Emma's awful line and Mother Superior showing up out of the blue (no pun intended). And Greg and Tamara. Why can't anyone be a NORMAL outsider? They want the magic? I just...I guess I'm mostly disappointed that Eion is gone, which I understand because maybe he didn't want to do the show. This episode was just full of coincidences.

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  11. C P25 March 2013 at 01:11

    Yeah, I am not happy at all that he turned back into a kid. That doesn't make sense. The magic should have only turned him back "real" and that's it. Turning him into a kid and making him forget was just an excuse to keep Tamara's plans a secret for longer.

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  12. Lissie_Bee25 March 2013 at 01:12

    I totally agree about David - they bring him in for his stereotypical inspiring speech every now and again, but he's really just standing around looking pretty.

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  13. Nerwen Aldarion25 March 2013 at 01:13

    Which is kind of typical of most Disney princes if you think about it LOL

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  14. Lissie_Bee25 March 2013 at 01:15

    Man, this episode isn't going to win any awards... it really didn't succeed in keeping my attention. And while I'm clearly not as bothered as everyone else about August turning back into a boy, because I think it's going to be cool to see Geppetto have another chance with the son he never got to raise, you'd think people would be a bit more bothered by it.

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  15. Lissie_Bee25 March 2013 at 01:16

    Ha! You're so right.

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  16. InvestedInYourFuture25 March 2013 at 01:17

    While I did not care too much of August plot, I did LOVE Snow's character development this episode:

    - She seems to have anger management problems now as shown by archery scene. She is harboring a pent up rage from all the emotional problems, but unlike Rumple or Regina she has nowhere to direct it yet.The music choice is also important - punk rock(which thematically is anti-hippie, anti-idealist, anti-utopian movement), song about self-identity and apathy. Song would fit to Faith’s playlist too.
    - Her reaction to Blue’s comment about August becoming wood because he was wood before was interesting. It seems she is slowly contemplating the idea that she always was capable of malevolence and darkness.
    - The legendary Geppetto slap scene. She clearly acted on impulse and was surprised of being able to. She is clearly nervous afterward and her apology and “forgiveness” to Geppetto sounds only half-sincere -she is far too distracted by what she did just now and by her own emotional state to mean it and is more than happy to change the subject.
    -The scene with David at the end. Now its interesting that while David is reassuring her, Snow brings up the PRICE the redemption took on August. Could it imply that she is not willing to pay one? Sounds like that to me. Also its quite clear that she was not entirely convinced by David’s reassurance. What’s more, SEEING what August went through for redemption, seems to have taken away her belief that everyone(read:her) is capable of it.

    Snow has always repressed her anger and impulses - that’s what kept her “pure” - she had moral barriers due to her mother’s death. barriers that kept her in check. and they are no longer there. And now Snow is one step away from the true dark side - all it takes is
    something very tragic to happen around her and Snow will go completely
    cray cray.

    Will she gain redemption eventually? Yes. But not before going completely off the far end. And I guess the 2x20, aptly titled “The Evil Queen” will have that catalyst.

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  17. C P25 March 2013 at 01:25

    Okay episode. Lots of disappointment.


    The plot with Owen and Tamara is just ...argh.

    And I'm not very happy August turned back into a boy. The only upside is he's still alive and he did the right thing. But I'm going to miss Eion Bailey.

    Everything was messy. Why would August let Tamara get that close when he knew she killed The Dragon and wanted power? Wouldn't he know to keep distance? And why would he die in wood form from electrocution? And how convenient was it that Geppetto was sitting next to Emma in the diner and that the Blue Fairy showed up out of thin air to save August?

    I hope we get back to Fairytale land flashbacks - that's usually always been my favorite parts of the episodes . I'm anxious to see more of how Charming and Snow took over the kingdom and other things.

    Can't believe we're going on ANOTHER break.

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  18. DarthLocke425 March 2013 at 01:28

    "Henry "We need Mother Superior" and then she shows up out of nowhere?"


    The Blue Fairy was ALWAYS suppose to come when one wishes on the Blue Star, granted we may not have a star like this in Storybrooke, but is may be that Henry's "wish" to call her was "heard" (Mother Superior = Nun = Sacred Union with "God" (or the universe))

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  19. Nerwen Aldarion25 March 2013 at 01:29

    It's still entirely too convenient.

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  20. Candy25 March 2013 at 01:32

    Don't think it was an ordinary taser but something that removes magic.

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  21. Candy25 March 2013 at 01:34

    "I think it's going to be cool to see Geppetto have another chance with the son he never got to raise"
    me too

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  22. tonya25 March 2013 at 01:39

    Lame! Too many coincidences, sucky ending for August, cheesy dialogue, evil girlfriend trope with Tamara... Only liked Emma scenes and Greg and Regina confrontation.

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  23. DarthLocke425 March 2013 at 01:46

    Ok The LOST Stuff: "Stranger in a Strangeland" (Pucket/Easter Philosophy) + "And Found..." (Sun and Jin "bump into each other + Lady of Love in Orange) + beginnings of Season 6 (Dogen, Sayid, Pill, Mystic, Smoke Monster, more Eastern Philosophy) + getting rid of cancer plot = Rose (and the color of this magic was "red") + shady character here to expose/take power from Storybrooke + needing a lot of money = Naomi Dorrit freighter crew and Miles Strume


    Tamara's behavior is reminiscent to a Felicity character (except in this case kind of evil) named Jane Scott played by Tyra Banks.


    Revolution: - run down RV in the woods = The Pilot.


    The Episode: I liked the episode, especially the Eastern Philosophy stuff, it makes everything that happened from the beginning of season (Emma and Neal pass Asian characters marked on a building "Tallahassee" + Mulan + coin/soul sucker + Philip turned into an Asian mythological beast + Belle-August memory loss connections)


    The dialogue at times was a little much, but over all I'm trying to figure out what this means, just like Mary Margaret suggests David, we can all be "redeemed" but at what "price"? The August turning back into a boy with no memories almost suggest's a "reset"??? Is that happiness? or is this a sign that another kind of curse is coming????

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  24. oddball8725 March 2013 at 01:49

    Not gonna lie, it wasn't the best ep, I was alright, but its easily forgettable. Tamara being HER was kinda obvious, alot of people had guessed that before the ep aired. Also no Rumples, and that makes me sad. :(
    Also I would lol, if this Dragon dude turned out to be Mushu from Mulan.

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  25. Daniel Alvarez25 March 2013 at 01:49

    What is happening to the writers? They make one good episode and the next one is bad. Don't get me wrong i didn't hate the episode but it lack writing, and more writing.
    The Tamara plot is quite interesting but they didn't know how to handle it right. It happened too fast, and some scenes were just awful.

    i think the only thing that saved the episode was the acting.. which could've been way more better tbh

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  26. DarthLocke425 March 2013 at 02:01

    But that is the point, she is suppose to be of convenience (and more so now that Magic is settling in)

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  27. Lilith Hellfire25 March 2013 at 02:10

    I tweeted that theory about the Dragon being the dragon from Mulan... wondered if it will ever be answered

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  28. ihatetraitors25 March 2013 at 02:14

    Can this show get any more predictable?

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  29. Lysh25 March 2013 at 02:34

    I think the worst episode this season was Ruby's ep, but this one is up there. It was nice to see August again, but just a really disappointing end to a great character. And a disappointing reveal on Tamara.

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  30. Lysh25 March 2013 at 02:37

    I think I'm mostly sad to see Eion go, but it is great for Geppetto. It's the type of thing I bet Rumple wishes he could do to Nealfire. I thought Emma would 1, be happier to see him again and 2, have a better reaction to him turning back into a boy. But everyone just smiled like it was a happy ending.

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  31. Rodman25 March 2013 at 02:38

    Tamara should be God..... she tazed a woodman and a dragon in the same episode

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  32. Cleo Tepes25 March 2013 at 02:38

    Horrible.

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  33. Lissie_Bee25 March 2013 at 02:41

    I thought the same thing about Emma's reactions - I also thought she would have been a lot more sad to see him "die". I mean, sheesh. Just another day in Storybrooke, I guess.

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  34. Corbin Bolies25 March 2013 at 02:51

    i always hate the Ruby episodes, as I find them VERY irritating.

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  35. Corbin Bolies25 March 2013 at 03:01

    Tamara is (in my head, not really) the Wicked Witch of the West. 1. Every time she was with Neal I was hoping they wouldn't kiss (thank The Dragon my wish came true) 2. Gregara was DISGUSTING, worse than Crumple 3. That two-timing, magic-stealing, people-made-or-having-magic-murdering BITCH!!!

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  36. DarthLocke425 March 2013 at 03:10

    Maybe! Good calls you guys! - I def think the Eastern philosophy/myths have been woven in nice this season, but Jamie Chung is apart of the cast of a new J.J. Abrams and Alfonso Curion Pilot "Believe", so I don't expect to see much of Mulan after this season if "Believe gets picked up...

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  37. DarthLocke425 March 2013 at 03:16

    I disagree. I think the plot makes great sense when one considers the idea of parallel universe convergences and quantum mechanical differences that they could have, as Whale/Victor's first flashback episode featured his struggle of using magic as opposed to science (or I should say the scientific method). It's a season 2 theme (convergences and transformation)


    Additionally this has a great deal of Lost post season 3 parallels, as Charles Widmore attempts to get back to the Island to use it's "properties" (advanced technology/magic -your pick) and/or expose it to world, seemingly in his pursuit of World domination.


    I don't think it's a dumb idea, as much as it should be a given, as there are always people who want to be in control and they need POWER (technology/magic = weapons/tools) to do that. (There was a Revolution reference as well with the RV in the woods)

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  38. Lost_At_Sea25 March 2013 at 03:39

    Hmm not the best episode, which makes it stand out as the last few have been so strong. Sad to see Eion Bailey go out with such a letdown of a send-off! I mean seriously, no one questioned why he turned back to a little boy, or expressed any sadness?! He just turned back to a boy and everyone was like whatever and then they walked off - WTF!?!!


    I did enjoy the episode, until the damp squib of a goodbye to August. Tamara, like Greg, seems to have a superpower of always being conveniently right there whenever there's magic around, or whenever she's being mentioned in conversation. Okay but disappointing overall.

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  39. magnutude25 March 2013 at 03:45

    I said the same thing about the taser, but the same for the "Dragon" as well, he was apparently all seeing and magical himself, so he just flies in closer to an enemy with a weapon that he plainly saw so she could kill him? I know these shows require a healthy dose of disbelief suspension, but that bit of plot was lame despite an overall decent ep. We obviously need a ton of backstory on Tamara and how she was so easily able to track a man around the world without being noticed, and what she is up to...

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  40. prpleight25 March 2013 at 04:29

    After the act where Tamara used the stun gun to kill the dragon...a creature who lived in Hong Kong...a place that *has* electricity...and he was so ignorant about electricity that he didn't have a clue what the stun gun would do to him?!!!? Not to mention the fact that, when faced with a weapon he decides posturing is his best move. I went from having issues with the episode to being pissed off.


    How much coincidence am I supposed to take? Well, judging by this episode I guess A LOT. Tamara just *happens* to know exactly where August's trailer is. She just happens to know August has gone to the jail. She follows August from Hong Kong to New York city so she can conveniently be perfectly set up to run into Neal 2 minutes after August rides off...and all of this from a woman who JUST HAPPENS to be involved with Owen.


    I really am trying to calm myself down. Awful.

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  41. prpleight25 March 2013 at 04:36

    The Blue Fairy's appearance was the ONLY thing I could give them. She's a fairy so I didn't have a problem with that.

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  42. prpleight25 March 2013 at 04:39

    Then this should have been made clear in the episode. At the top of the episode so that we knew what kind of weapon it was. As it played this was an ordinary taser. That was actually the scene that sent me from 'having issues' to angry that I was watching the worst episode ever. I had to talk my best friend out of refusing to watch the show ever again.

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  43. prpleight25 March 2013 at 04:40

    For me this is easily the worst episode of the series.

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  44. Casey Young25 March 2013 at 05:02

    It was nice seeing August, but I'm upset that he's a little boy again.

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  45. Kath Halloran25 March 2013 at 05:48

    I thought it was delightful... Tamara may be my new favourite character because, damn, she got game. If she kicks Regina's ass, I will be in heaven.

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  46. Sarah Elizabeth Ann25 March 2013 at 06:50

    I didn't like it as much as the last few episodes although reading through these comments it's obvious that my "I'm easy to please when watching my shows" theory comes into play here.

    The only explanation I came up with as to why August turned into a boy when the Blue Fairy revived him was that that's just how magic works; it's hard to predict and in some cases control and do what you want it to do. I didn't even wonder why everyone just accepted that he became a boy until I came here. They probably figured that something like that would happen. Otherwise, I have no idea on why either of those things happened.

    I think the reason why there can't be any normal outsiders who are just passing through town is because Regina set up the town so that it's practically hidden from the outside world. I know people can see the entering/leaving signs now but I'm guessing that it's still not on any map and won't ever be. I could be wrong about all of this, though. What I'm looking forward to learning is how Tamara and Greg/Owen met and why she believed him when he told her about Storybrooke.

    While I kinda knew that Tamara was "Her," I didn't guess that she and Greg were involved. They must both be spies or something since they're able to follow those they need to follow without those who know them being suspicious of their presence or what they're up to. Other than the obvious places where they just happened to be and it was all about timing (Greg at the hospital taping Regina doing magic, Tamara just showing up as August dies).



    I'm glad that Snow is up and moving on from what happened. Although sometimes, you just need to be upset for a couple days. I've been there, though clearly not for the same reason she was ;)

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  47. Folie-lex25 March 2013 at 07:01

    It's official. I'm hate watching this show..... and it bothers me because usually when I go into hate watch mode I just stop drop the series. But in this case I can't because it does actually have potential to be good. It just isn't...

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  48. MurderMondays25 March 2013 at 07:08

    I'm honestly a little taken aback by how bad this episode was...Even the weakest episodes of the series have some redeeming value but this one? I'll probably never watch it again.


    From beginning to end it was dismal dialogue and poor plotting.

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  49. MeatyStakes25 March 2013 at 07:42

    Riddled with cliches and some serious suspensions of disbelief, yet I didn't hate it. I did like where it took the story -but fo sho it could have been done far more elegantly- so I'm giving it a pass for the setup.

    Incredibly, the taser wasn't a big peeve with me. Is it impossible to tamper with a Taser to make it lethal? I mean, it would be the perfect weapon. Easy to use, non-messy, silent and in case of being found, you can claim is for protection and it doesn't actually kill people.



    Tamara has been shown to have vast resources, if someone managed to crank up the taser to eleven, it's her.


    Beyond the unevenness of the episode, I loved the developments on Snow and how August's story was a parallel of it and Tamara seems to be deliciously evil, thing so sorely missed since Cora is gone and Regina is such a flip-flop.

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  50. Jane Raven25 March 2013 at 08:07

    I doubt about that. Stun gun vs crushing-hearts ant turning-people-to-dust magic? I will put my money on the miss Mills) But with this "outsider villain" Regina can be on the good side again!

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  51. Symce (Mylene)25 March 2013 at 08:55

    On the upside, seems like they won't hook up Greg with Regina. On the downside, Tamara/Greg is equally as ewww. Thank god for the fast forward button for episodes like these. Easily forgettable, also come on really? Girlfriend turns out to be an evil mastermind? *eyeroll*

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  52. Applepie189025 March 2013 at 09:19

    Amen to That! I'm starting to get really disappointed with the show, i'm only watching it now for Regina's awesomeness!

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  53. 12325 March 2013 at 09:42

    I liked the episode and the writing wasn't bad. I was never a great fan of August, so returning him in a small boy /losing his memories doesn't bother me... and made sense in his redemption story!
    Tamara/Owen was not really surprising (and all the Emma/Neal shippers can be happy). So Tamara is the new evil, I'm glad for once it is not Regina again!

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  54. prpleight25 March 2013 at 10:00

    I agree. I did like Snow's development this episode. I had to breath a little. :-) It's one of the elements that I listed in an attempt to convince a friend not to give up on the show.

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  55. Annika L.25 March 2013 at 10:57

    Why should the characters be sad that August turned into a boy? It is the best thing that could have happened to him. He and his father lost their time together when August was a little boy because of the curse. Now they get their second chance to relive these lost years. And I guess they all saw that chance for father and son - and they all were just happy, that he wasn't dead!

    Sure - I really liked Eion as August, but I'm also happy that the creators are not just keeping him because fans want to see him. They should follow their instincts and concepts!

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  56. Gracie25 March 2013 at 12:09

    AGREED. Child of the Moon was so bad and rushed. I can't choose who got screwed over worse, August or Ruby. I guess August because he became a fucking kid again. So screwed up.

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  57. Aleksandra Anna Gorska25 March 2013 at 12:20

    I loved this episode. They did pretty good job turning August into little boy since Eion Bailey can't play in the show anymore. CGI as usual, awfully bad, but I can get along with that. And well Snow is slowly moving on, I mean she is still pretty upset and depressed, but I see some changes. That's good. She cannot be in bed all the time. Tamara- omg, what a b*tch! Oh God that was terrible.
    Of course we had few lame stuff like seriously, Tamara killed wooden guy? I mean does wood can feel the teaser? And right, he couldn't remember anything, I mean August. But he wasted time talking to his father instead yelling: Tamara killed me! Or something. And seriously, August called Emma, they knew that something is up and instead of running they were just walking - slowly?
    But overall it was good episode. It had all thrill and stuff, so I cannot wait.
    And one more question - did Tamara do something to Hook? Since she is bad she could have done something to him! Hopefully not!

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  58. Pascal21925 March 2013 at 12:23

    Just when I thought the show's plot couldn't get more contrived. Everyone acts out of character and do things because the plot demands it, not because their character would do it. And yet another cop out turning August back into a child, this show is starting become a joke. Such a shame and wasted potential considering the actors involved.

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  59. R Vassilissa25 March 2013 at 12:38

    Seconded.

    I was so pissed off with the contrived dialogue and illogical character development, I could barely sit in my chair. In particular, Charming's reactions throughout the ep were so frustrating, I officially can't stand him now (maybe I should turn the volume off next time he speaks, and just enjoy the charmer that is Josh Dallas).


    It is a crying shame really, because the cast is brilliant and the premise is universally appealing, and occasionally there are some amazing episodes that are well worth watching. But the general direction that OUAT seems to be taking is beyond disappointing... :(


    Thank God there was an amazing new The Good Wife episode to fix my mood afterwards!

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  60. Linlighthouse25 March 2013 at 12:46

    We got screwed worse because we won't see Eion Bailey again :(

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  61. R Vassilissa25 March 2013 at 12:48

    My thought precisely. It feels like there's barely any character development anymore, it's just one plot device after another! :(

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  62. Whitney25 March 2013 at 12:55

    So, for everyone complaining about the taser....

    Jane Espensen confirmed it was not an ordinary taser.

    My guess? It's a magic sucker - takes the magic out of people (Which is why it "killed" Pinnochio).

    Give the writers some credit - if they are so careful with their plots, I think they would know how electricity works.

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  63. DarthLocke425 March 2013 at 13:05

    I'm not fond of it either, but it paves the way for Snow's question at the end of the episode, 'what's the cost/point of redemption if "August" turning back into a boy and not remembering is the result?

    On one hand Marco unburdened his sin and it lead him to have his little boy back, as he basically missed most of August's life and for August it was also a way for him to go back to what he also always wanted to be a "real little boy." (not a real young man).

    It's a curious line of thinking in terms of the life extension themes, because besides having immortal adults, we might assume we're visiting a place next season where boys usually don't want to and physically don't grow up...



    On the other hand, I'm with Snow, where this doesn't seem like a great happy ending (a reset), but maybe everyone's happy ending will have to be different??? I kind of hope though that there will be a way and a reason for Pinocchio to turn back into August...It would kind of be funny if he would start growing really fast and his memories return with his aging process...

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  64. DarthLocke425 March 2013 at 13:11

    To be fair, I think Emma is horribly distracted, but working hard to hide her emotions. She doesn't really want to feel too much IMO.


    But I agree that her and Charming in particular need way more character development, but I also think if they are working towards those things, they have to make bridges to get there and that might be what season 2 will end up being, but truth be told, only time will tell.

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  65. Feekk25 March 2013 at 13:13

    So, contrary to many of you, I find this episode quite good. It's light, but understandable as the past few episodes have been very heavy. I have several thoughts:


    1) Did you guys notice that Emma took advantage on dying August and touched his butt?? LOL, you naughty naughty Emma!


    2) I am really really glad that they have a new villain!! This was what I was talking about last week, for the writers to take a rest with all the Regina is evil storyline and go to another direction. Tamara is interesting, Greg's too. I am interested to see where this is going. Now, I'm curious to know why Tamara is desperate for magic.


    3) When Regina tried to be nice before she found out that Greg was Owen, I liked her back. It was just like when she tried to redeem herself earlier this season. I wish they stick with this. Please please let Regina be a part of the Charming family. I think it's time for them to have a normal family drama.


    4) Was I the only one expecting Emma, when she called upon Henry at the end of the episode, to say, "Look, Henry, you've been a little bitch to Regina. Now, go to her house and apologize and give her a hug she so very deserves..." But the alternative that happened was OK too...


    Anyways, great episode. I hope the next and next will be better.

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  66. DarthLocke425 March 2013 at 13:14

    "Beyond the unevenness of the episode, I loved the developments on Snow and how August's story was a parallel of it and Tamara seems to be deliciously evil, thing so sorely missed since Cora is gone and Regina is such a flip-flop."


    Agreed! I didn't think it was as bad as people thought it was. A little execution problem, but ultimately I thought it presented really interesting ideas in terms of the redemption themes!

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  67. Feekk25 March 2013 at 13:15

    I'm glad I'm not the only one happy with the new villain!

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  68. Feekk25 March 2013 at 13:16

    Greg with Regina?? Eww, since "Welcome to Storybrooke" I can't see her more than Greg's mother-like figure.

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  69. Feekk25 March 2013 at 13:19

    But please keep your hopes up, we want this to have high ratings. No matter how bad it is you think, it's still OUAT. It's like one of the most creative shows out there. So, it'd be understandable if the writers slipped up sometimes, it can't be perfect all the time, it's a challenging story to write.

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  70. Feekk25 March 2013 at 13:20

    I guess you get downvoted because of the Regina part in your comment. But I upvoted it. :)

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  71. DarthLocke425 March 2013 at 13:22

    Thanks for that, Whitney! I didn't have a problem with a big it anyways, but I like the idea of a magic sucker---it connects back to 'the soul sucker' unleashed at the beginning of the season!


    It's very Fringey-and It makes me wonder if their will be a futuristic reality? (which I wouldn't be too surprised about, considering both that Bad Robot's uses of parallel futures and because Damon Lindelof co-wrote the script with Brad Bird for Disney's upcoming "Tomorrowland" film)

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  72. Symce (Mylene)25 March 2013 at 13:24

    Yeah some ppl mentioned that when sneaks were released, and I couldn't get the picture out of my head afterward, so I blame that. Indeed with the mother-figure, tho it seems the little boy grew up to be quite the schemer. Though everyone called it with him being in cahoots with Tamara.

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  73. mzso25 March 2013 at 13:25

    Welcome to television. :)

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  74. DarthLocke425 March 2013 at 13:30

    "Sure - I really liked Eion as August, but I'm also happy that the creators are not just keeping him because fans want to see him. They should follow their instincts and concepts!"


    I agree! As I have said on other posts, I think what did with August/Marco presents an interesting idea about purity, innocence, and youth in terms of happiness, as I think Snow makes a valid point about asking if this really is happiness, -being able to go back and have a second chance Tubala Rasa style? On one hand I can see how this is a type of happiness in terms of what those two characters originally wanted, but at the same time, I can see the other argument, that isn't redemption only as good as to know what you did receive it? -Is that "fair" to August? It's a toss up, but I like the idea of having to think about in relation to where we might be going with 'eternal youth'! Let the writers tell their story!

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  75. Feekk25 March 2013 at 13:32

    Well, the title is Selfless, Brave, and True, it can't get anymore cliche than that. Fairy tales are cliche. It's about right and wrong, and it's about good and evil, and it's about either making good or bad decision. I think you're being too critical about this show. Trust me, if you stop looking at the flawed details, this episode is quite good. I agree it could be better, but again, we're not the writers, we don't understand the challenges they need to overcome writing this show. Cut them some slack eh?

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  76. Feekk25 March 2013 at 13:33

    OK, don't watch. It's easy to decide right?

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  77. Michu194525 March 2013 at 13:37

    I think The Healer/Dragon is Mushu, dragon from Mulan backstory trapped in human form. Rest was just pure awesome.

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  78. DarthLocke425 March 2013 at 13:37

    I think we shouldn't count or chickens before they have hatched. I don't think we know for sure if we will or won't see "August" again. I think we probably will in terms of flashbacks, but maybe for one reason or another Pinocchio won't stay a little boy...

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  79. Michu194525 March 2013 at 13:39

    Blue Fairy appeared when she was needed. In the enchanted forest and in Storybrooke.

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  80. mzso25 March 2013 at 13:41

    The second Red/Ruby one made me the most disillusioned. The Tiny one sucked too.
    This was also around as much of a filler then the Red episode.

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  81. mzso25 March 2013 at 13:42

    I'm totally with you.

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  82. mzso25 March 2013 at 13:45

    I think it was a necessity. Because he's got a pilot and/or otherwise didn't want to hang around.

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  83. DarthLocke425 March 2013 at 13:46

    I kept saying that Tamara and Greg may parallel a Charles Widmore and Naomi Dorrit plot, and this RV in the woods wink to "Revolution" solidified my belief in this, as Revolution is about what one needs to control and have POWER! (Magic seems like a good place to start)

    Interestingly a few posts down Whitney was nice enough to state that Jane Epson had confirmed that the taser was no ordinary taser...it might be a piece of advanced tech that absorbs magic (power) and then would also suggest that magic is a part of people souls and connects back to the soul sucker from the season 2 premiere! If it's true, I'll be curious to see "where" or "when" this advanced piece of futuristic tech comes from and how it came to be "here".

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  84. DarthLocke425 March 2013 at 13:53

    Ya they're interesting villains. Oddly Greg reminds of Erik Kripke and then we have this Revolution "take back the magic/power" plot complete with an RV in the woods and a taser device that might "absorb" magic/power...

    I'm hoping we might still see Eion again yet, before the series ends.

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  85. 12325 March 2013 at 13:57

    I only hope, the writers don't take the route of teaming them up! As soon, as Regina gets to know, that Neal/Bae is Henrys biological father (of course nobody of the Charmings told her the news, why would they *eyeroll*....) she would have a reason...

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  86. laura334125 March 2013 at 14:17

    I think we'll see him again too.I can't imagine why they would keep him as a small boy,i can't see a part for him as a boy unless we get other kids introduced this season? Yes, the 'take back the magic/take back the power' hit me to when August accused her of that..

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  87. laura334125 March 2013 at 14:25

    We needed a new villian,or two!

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  88. lsbloom25 March 2013 at 14:27

    The redemption/goodness themes are awful. Pinocchio had to redeem himself for 28 years of bad decisions, great. Do the right thing, sacrifice yourself (how electricity harms a wooden creature I've got no idea but whatever) and you can make it back. Great. Not remembering any of it??? You have got to be kidding me! How is that redemption? How is that learning from your mistakes. The poor cursed townspeople have to live with the fallout of the cursed lives/identities every single day and still remember themselves as Regina made them, but Pinocchio who made his own bad life decisions gets a clean slate? And that is REDEMPTION? Major fail, writers. Major fail.

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  89. lsbloom25 March 2013 at 14:30

    If you don't say it in the show, it didn't happen. So until they show us otherwise, which after the fact is ridiculously lame, it is an ordinary taser and therefore stupid.

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  90. DarthLocke425 March 2013 at 14:30

    It was allegedly a picture of her with her grandmother...

    If she still relates to Neverland somehow, then she could be Wendy's granddaughter, but this thing with the magic-absorbing taser makes me think there is something also futuristic afoot and that goes hand in hand with our horror-classics-land with out color Fringe scientist plots we have with Victor/Whale earlier this season. So maybe either there is a futuristic reality, or parallel alternate future universe, and/or time-reality travelers??

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  91. lsbloom25 March 2013 at 14:31

    We need some guys or two!

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  92. DarthLocke425 March 2013 at 14:33

    Not if there is going to be "futuristic" reveal coming, then they are going to be silent until we ask questions.

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  93. lsbloom25 March 2013 at 14:34

    The only reason I can come up with for Pinocchio turning into a boy was that the writers needed him to not tell everyone about Tamara so they screwed their redemption theme to achieve it.

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  94. lsbloom25 March 2013 at 14:35

    Regina has never been on the "good side." So there is no "again."

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  95. Feekk25 March 2013 at 14:38

    Ugh...

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  96. lsbloom25 March 2013 at 14:38

    I have to agree. Geppetto and Pinocchio are the only ones to get their happy endings back. Look one of the biggest jerks in the show is the only one finally curse free!

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  97. Feekk25 March 2013 at 14:42

    Yeah, they should, shouldn't they? I hope they actually let Regina be redeemed this time.

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  98. lsbloom25 March 2013 at 14:46

    So the writers should lie to their audience and annoy them for some indefinite period of time to "surprise" them later with the fact that they *could* have made sense initially but chose not to in order to frustrate you? I don't think the goal should be to annoy the audience. :) If the idea is interesting it is more interesting now than it is later, because later I've already given up on the whole concept it as ridiculous.

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  99. laura334125 March 2013 at 14:47

    Yes that taser,i love that it sucks the magic/soul from a person! I can definitely see time travelers, and i feel i'm already in an alternate universe the way they are writing their characters!

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  100. DarthLocke425 March 2013 at 14:47

    I disagree my friend, they're in state of change, their identities are in a place of turbulence as they struggle with two identities and the after math/chaos of what breaking the curse brings in relation to the idea that some history is still repeating itself. I think season 2 is about transformation and convergences and that it's intentionally an unstable place to be.

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  101. lsbloom25 March 2013 at 14:47

    Bleh...

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  102. laura334125 March 2013 at 14:49

    LoL,Robin Hood is a good start!

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  103. Feekk25 March 2013 at 14:51

    You know, if you're such an expert as you claimed previously, why don't you interview for the writing position and see if you can write better? Your loud negative attitude towards every episode is becoming really annoying. The writers have given us a wonderful season 1 and this season 2 is equally good in my opinion and one bad episode you are raging like it's the end of the world.

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  104. 12325 March 2013 at 14:52

    Yes, me too! How about this: Emma gets to know Tamara is evil, but Neal doesn't believe her, so she goes to see Regina for advice/help and they team up (of course Henry is somehow involved). Last time they did it was very interesting. I also miss Emma/Regina interactions altogether. They are always fun to watch;)!

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  105. lsbloom25 March 2013 at 14:56

    I was *kinda* excited about that one. If he lives through the episode, I may get even more excited!

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  106. Feekk25 March 2013 at 14:58

    Oh, that sounds good! Seriously, I really like that! It sounds especially viable because Greg has an evil intent towards Regina and Tamara is teaming up with him, and it's only making sense that Regina would team up with Emma to defeat both of them. And yes, I miss their interaction too, especially when they are acting frenemy-ish and all.

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  107. lsbloom25 March 2013 at 15:00

    I've never claimed to be an expert at anything but thinking for myself. I have every right to be negative or positive or both. In this case, the entire episode was tainted by having in untenable premise in the guise of Pinocchio's "redemption." I had problems with it. As I have had problems with the poorly articulated theme throughout season 2. I stated those problems, as I am perfectly allowed to do, and you can disagree with those opinions, but please refrain from the hyperbole and personal derision.

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  108. DarthLocke425 March 2013 at 15:02

    It's only frustrating if your not a patient viewer that doesn't appreciate the idea that stories take time to tell. Things like this happen in novels all the time. People are introduced to things that to them do not make sense, only to realize a few chapters later that they were just missing a piece in order for it to make sense and then it leads into another plot/idea/concept.


    I think everyone wants everything their way "now" and that's not what what watching, reading, or listening to another's story is, it's an art that takes time to unfold.

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  109. ThirdofEight25 March 2013 at 15:04

    This was another one of those episodes that attempted to deal with virtually every plot thread of the season at once, similar to "In The Name of the Brother". Fortunately, it did a better job tying them all together than that episode. It certainly didn't reach the quality level of the past three episodes, but it did give us some very entertaining moments.

    I was extremely happy to see the issue of Storybrooke clashing with the real world addressed head-on. Tamara and Greg are shaping up to be extremely interesting characters. The make-out session at the end was a bit unexpected, but a romance between them does add an interesting new wrinkle. I'm also quite intrigued by Regina's reaction to Greg. It was great that she didn't take forever to figure out who he was, but I wonder if she was telling the truth about his father or not. It seems unlikely. But then, what exactly did she do with him? Looks as if we may need another flashback to pre-Emma Storybrooke at some point.

    I was also pleased to see Snow being more proactive this week. The revelation of Gepetto's deception regarding the wardrobe was a great way to show how she's changing. I'm becoming increasingly convinced that the title of the upcoming episode "The Evil Queen" refers to her rather than Regina. While I'd like for her to achieve redemption eventually, this darker turn for her character is a nice change for the time being.

    I'm ambivalent about August's return to childhood. It didn't make a ton of sense and wasn't explained well. It also removes August from the chessboard, which is unfortunate. He was an interesting character with a lot to add to the story, and Eion Bailey did a great job with him. Now he's essentially been reduced to a throwaway character. We may never even see him again. I also continue to find the Blue Fairy extremely irritating. Her allegedly formidable powers never seem to work when they're needed or how they're supposed to. She's little more than a poorly-dressed deus ex machina. Finally, I just have to point out (as Nerwen Aldarion already has) that Emma's "His death will not be in vain!" was utterly lame. Please, Once writers, we know you're capable of better dialogue than that. This is beneath you.



    My rating: 7/10

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  110. ThirdofEight25 March 2013 at 15:05

    Excellent theory.

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  111. Feekk25 March 2013 at 15:05

    That makes great sense! Especially because Mushu is red and orange and the Dragon in the episode is also red-ish.

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  112. ThirdofEight25 March 2013 at 15:07

    I agree with you on the taser. My thought was that if Tamara has had experiences with magic before or studied the accounts of those who did, she may have learned that electricity was more effective than bullets for dealing with magical beings. Just a thought. Unless the taser was more than just a taser. Tamara appears to have access to considerable resources in this world.

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  113. DarthLocke425 March 2013 at 15:08

    But what if the theme is chaos in not having a stable identity? -And that redemption, is something although wanted, necessary, and introduced, is ultimately something that comes later, as the point of it, is only as good as reaching it.

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  114. ThirdofEight25 March 2013 at 15:09

    There's one other thing I didn't think of before - Hook. What if Tamara actually found him and he's in league with her and Greg now?

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  115. omabin25 March 2013 at 15:10

    I liked the episode very much up until they had Pinochio turn back into a little boy. What the heck is up with that? I hated all the lost character development. It just seemed like a very easy way out of having both a happy ending and Pinochio not saying the truth about Tamara. And I really liked August, he was one of my favs, so this sucks

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  116. lsbloom25 March 2013 at 15:14

    Sorry, I have to disagree (and I read a lot of novels). :) You can introduce an object/device and say you aren't sure how it works or that you thought it was normal but it shouldn't have had the effect it did or whatever, so there is a question surrounding it and then reveal later. But if you present it unambiguously and no one on the show (or in the text) questions it, then the audience is left adrift assuming the most straightforward answer that makes very little sense. If the show was tight as a drum and they had a small hole like that and Tamara had given the taser a wacky WTH just happened look after killing the dragon, it would have been sufficient to suggest to the audience that it wasn't a normal taser. But they didn't do that, and the show has more holes in it than Bonnie and Clyde's getaway car. So the MO of telling us one thing to reverse it later is only frustrating and lazy for me. They could easily have made it less so because the eventual reveal won't be exciting, we've already filled in their silly hole for them, the same way everybody knew who Tamara and Neal and Whale were. They aren't exciting reveals, they are frustrating.

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  117. lsbloom25 March 2013 at 15:21

    If the "main point" is only introduced in the final episode and it supersedes everything we've dealt with before, what was the point of watching and engaging with the original theme? They've overwritten their message and wasted my time (in the case of TV that's years). If they have a point to say, they need to be saying it. Not delaying me with red herring themes that are only meant to confuse and annoy. I mean you are advocating for the entire theme of the season to not be the entire theme of the season afterall and for the audience to not engage with the show until the writers finally get around to their final point. You love engaging with the show, down to every last art prop! Television is a lengthy episodic process, if we aren't meant to analyze and enjoy each episode then they are poorly using the format.

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  118. Chase25 March 2013 at 15:21

    Ehhhh...I'm still iffy, but I see where you are coming from. But I still don't like the idea of Tamara and Greg. And I never really watched Lost becuase it didn't interest me. I liked this show because of the fairy tales and magic and I would prefer if they would stick within that realm instead of bringing more people from our supposed boring, humdrum world and use more characters from the fairy tale world or stick with the ones they already have (because there is really a whole book of stories left to tell between just those main characters). Maybe the idea of this plot with Tamara and Greg will grow on me, but I doubt it.

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  119. DarthLocke425 March 2013 at 15:28

    Everyone is entitled to their opinion, if you don't like them, you don't like them and their plot line, you can't help that.


    Note: "If" the taser is magical/advanced tech, it could be paving the way for some other "super human" aspect/reality.


    I like the show because it points out that it's not magic or technology that makes us human or not human, it's our conscience awareness and our decision making that does, in these case, it's universal understatement!

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  120. laura334125 March 2013 at 15:33

    You right,i agree.I didn't know the laser was suppose to be 'special' either.They should have made it clear..Should do a lot of things but don't..

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  121. DarthLocke425 March 2013 at 15:36

    The reveal isn't/wouldn't be exciting TO YOU, where I see potential for a futuristic universe or time travel, which I love! It also takes what was introduced with Eastern Cultural beliefs, such as the Soul Sucker and juxtaposes and ties it to the Fringe science stuff (Whale). To me it's not lazy, but an interesting way to weave those ideas together, depending on where and when this "taser" comes from and whatever else lies ahead with 'lost boys of eternal youth' of Neverland.

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  122. Feekk25 March 2013 at 15:50

    Darth, you would never win with someone who would say "I read a lot of novels" to ramp up his/her reputation.

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  123. lsbloom25 March 2013 at 15:50

    Well I hope they do time travel for you!

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  124. lsbloom25 March 2013 at 15:53

    There is no call to be like that. I said I read novels because Darth commented that it is a common practice in novels. You have this misconception that I'm trying to force my opinion on you. You don't have to agree with me. If you are happy, be happy.

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  125. Andy Serrato25 March 2013 at 16:14

    This episode was clearly a transition between the past arch and what is going to be the final arch in the next 4 episodes. I feel like they cramped 2 episodes into 1, which resulted in very poor storytelling and pretty bad writing.

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  126. mzso25 March 2013 at 16:32

    We'll likely see him.... As a boy fixing clocks and such.

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  127. mzso25 March 2013 at 16:41

    They didn't lie Troll. they just showed something happening. They can explain it more later, or not. Until then it's a taser looking object that kills (magical) people.

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  128. mzso25 March 2013 at 16:46

    You didn't "ewww" with Rumple+Belle/Cora, or pretty much everyone else? He has a few centuries on every female character alive.

    Only the Blue Fairy is not younger. But then it's "ewww" invertedly, because she's much older. :)

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  129. ThirdofEight25 March 2013 at 16:47

    I know that part of my frustration arises from the fact that Eion can no longer appear accept in flashbacks, but I still feel that objectively, that was a very bad scene. I would have actually preferred it if August had simply died. Then there would have been some degree of emotional payback. To end his story with a literal reset button was a huge mistake, in my opinion, especially after several excellent episodes which refused to pull any punches. If they wanted to write out Eion, they could have done it better than this.


    I actually prefer for Greg and Tamara to not be normal. This show is beginning to experience a paucity of villains. Cora's dead, Rumpel is well on the road to redemption (though we still have that prophecy about Henry to sort out), and Regina appears to be simply biding her time. I suppose Snow could go completely dark before the end, but we still need some fresh faces to shake things up. I feel that Tamara has the potential to be a really interesting character, but we need to know more about her. Maybe a flashback covering her early life...though I doubt that will happen until Season 3.

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  130. ThirdofEight25 March 2013 at 16:48

    Yeah, it made absolutely no sense. The Blue Fairy is just stupid; can't even handle a simple transfiguration spell.

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  131. DarthLocke425 March 2013 at 16:49

    (And he looks mighty fine!)

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  132. ThirdofEight25 March 2013 at 16:49

    Your point about Snow is a good one. I still don't like this plot development, but it's true that it affected Snow's quest for redemption in an interesting way.

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  133. DarthLocke425 March 2013 at 16:50

    I meant as a young adult again, but ya, I'm sure we'll see him as a child too. He'd make a cute lost boy.

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  134. ThirdofEight25 March 2013 at 16:50

    Add me to the list. I really like Tamara; I've been hoping for a "Charles Widmore" figure for Once. Plus, she's much prettier than Charles...

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  135. ThirdofEight25 March 2013 at 16:51

    Yeah, I still liked Regina better when she was trying to be good. She was more interesting. Maybe we'll see her like that again now that she's letting the whole "vengeance" thing handle itself.

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  136. ThirdofEight25 March 2013 at 16:51

    Me three.

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  137. mzso25 March 2013 at 16:53

    Except that teaming up with Rumple is a million times more likely/reasonable.

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  138. ThirdofEight25 March 2013 at 16:53

    Yeah, that was unexpected and exciting. Nice to see they're bringing in another non-fairy-tale literary character. And apparently, he has some ties to Belle - or at least it seemed that way from the trailer. I could be wrong about that, though.

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  139. ThirdofEight25 March 2013 at 17:02

    I agree with you that we shouldn't be derailed by this episode's flaws, even though I sympathize with those who feel a bit disgusted with Once right now. Dropping this show would be impossible for me to do at this point, since I know the greatness it's capable of (for example, in the two episodes preceding this one). We're pretty much in the typical rough patch of episodes that seems to come right before season finales, But I don't think it's any accident that ratings have been down in the last half of this season. There are still a lot of viewers, but there's been a significant drop. The plotting and quality in this half has just been a lot more uneven compared to last fall's run of episodes. And it was a big mistake, in my opinion, to use last Sunday's episode to precede a one-month hiatus. They would have been better off breaking after the cliffhanger ending to "The Miller's Daughter". ABC had better do a good job of promoting "Lacey" if they want to get the ratings back to where they were last year. I'm sure the finale will be epic - but perhaps it needs to happen sooner rather than later.

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  140. DarthLocke425 March 2013 at 17:02

    It's ok, Feekk, Isbloom and I discuss our differences in opinion all the time. He feels dissatisfied with this kind of story telling, and honestly, I know it's not for everyone, but because I like the show and the style of story telling, I sometimes feel compelled to try and soften the blow, or try to help others "maybe" see it from a different angle. Sometimes it helps and sometimes it does the opposite, but I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one still enjoying the show, despite whatever flaws it may or may not have in the long run.

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  141. ThirdofEight25 March 2013 at 17:05

    The breaks are getting ridiculous. I'm beginning to think this show should have shorter seasons. Maybe if they were limited to 13-16 episodes per season, the producers would move the plotting along more briskly, cut out filler stories like "Child of the Moon" and "Tiny", and give the show fewer hiatuses.

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  142. ThirdofEight25 March 2013 at 17:05

    Ooh, I like that idea.

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  143. ThirdofEight25 March 2013 at 17:06

    Gregara and Crumple...I can't stop laughing.

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  144. ThirdofEight25 March 2013 at 17:07

    *shrug* I guess we were meant to assume that the taser was unusual based on the fact that it worked...but it was still awfully vague.

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  145. DarthLocke425 March 2013 at 17:11

    As I was responding to Mzso, I had a realization of a possible plot line...

    In Disney's Pinocchio, Pinocchio goes to Pleasure Island...Pleasure Island has lots of little boys gambling & getting drunk, and is also called "The Land of Toys"...it also sounds like/and has similar concept to 'Treasure Island', which is about a novel about Pirates (Long John Silver)...I could see them combining these ideas for Neverland, making Pinocchio a new generation of a lost boy. It would also mirror how we found him as August in the beginning of this episode, on a pleasure Island of sorts (Pucket with a prostitute)...

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  146. 12325 March 2013 at 17:13

    Well, let me have my fantasy;)...And Rumple isn't exactly feeling very responsible for anybody (except Belle). I have the impression, he wants to stay out of the taking-side business...

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  147. DarthLocke425 March 2013 at 17:27

    Not if the point is, there is more than one message, as there is more than one moral, as there is more than one experience.

    The point might be "what message WILL weigh the most important". Is there good and evil? Is there redemption? Is redemption different for all of us? Is redemption worth it, if it sometimes come with not knowing what I did to be redeemed? How can I reach redemption when I don't know the whole truth, or my reality keeps changing? -These are A lot of questions the series is now asking of our characters.

    The season isn't about Redemption alone, it started out being about the after math of curse and duel identity: "Broken" and "We Are Both" are the original themes of the season, but it has to start introducing redemption if redemption is going to be a final 'place', or 'idea' of the series for the main cast.



    I think we shouldn't want to get there too fast, because then once you do that, there isn't much story left to tell. But SO many things this season are about change, transformation, convergence, and shapeshifting, along with power gaining and immortality.


    For me, personally, I don't like watching very procedural or most comedies, because I don't feel challenged to think as a viewer about what I'm watching. So I prefer shows that make me analyse or think, because then I learn something about myself too.

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  148. laura334125 March 2013 at 17:39

    He is fine isn't he,woo hoo! Why,oh why did Regina have to kill Graham? Last time i saw Graham he sent my heart a pidda padda! :P

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  149. martha adair25 March 2013 at 17:42

    Tamara seems to be searching for magic. If her taser is some sort of "magic sucker"? Then perhaps she is from another world like Dr. Whale was, and is on a mission looking for magic. I mean some of these Once Upon a Time writers are from Lost series and I am sure they are going to do some lame storytelling plots like they did in lost. Where they will never give an explanation.

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  150. DarthLocke425 March 2013 at 17:52

    That's an interesting idea! - I keep trying to figure out other ways Tamara could be related to Peter Pan stuff. After last night's episode, I was thinking that Tamara could be Wendy's granddaughter, but a connection to Hook, would make it all SO much better! :D


    PS: How would you feel about seeing a Capetian Kirk?

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  151. DarthLocke425 March 2013 at 17:57

    Oh, man. The Blue Fairy gets under my skin all the time! I keep thinking she's going to be some crazy villain down the line, but now it seems she's just a voice of virtue trying to lead these people down a righteous path, but I'm kind of hoping that more Fairy-Myth (and their ominous nature in OUAT) might be further explored with the Neverland stuff, since we have fairies there as well...

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  152. ThirdofEight25 March 2013 at 18:19

    I'd love to see some kind of science fiction character; I suppose Kirk would be an option. I guess it would depend on who played him. Though the rights would probably forbid that ever happening.

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  153. ThirdofEight25 March 2013 at 18:20

    She would be so much more interesting if she were evil. I think she was intended to be a sort of Dumbledore for the show; an ancient force of good who consistently provides a moral compass. But it just doesn't work somehow. Every time she starts spouting moral lessons it feels like she can't possibly be serious.

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  154. Michu194525 March 2013 at 18:35

    What if Pinocchio remembers everything and played before the rest so as to confuse Tamara? In the end everyone loses enemy when the enemy stops to appreciate the other. Maybe a little August must gather evidence and expose bride Neal? For now is just a word against it. Tamara has to be a weak point because there is no perfect crime, and always leaves traces somewhere.

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  155. LightningsRose25 March 2013 at 19:17

    I couldn't agree more! People are way too entirely critical of most all TV shows anymore. It's television. It's television based off of fairy tails which ARE cliche... Good grief. It's fiction. People need to learn to relax and just enjoy it for what it is and if they think it's "so horribly bad" then why bother watching? I don't get it... I truly don't...

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  156. DarthLocke425 March 2013 at 19:34

    Ha, I was actually referring to Owen's/Greg's dad, Kirk...I was thinking maybe Regina might have been telling Owen a half truth about him leaving Storybrooke, she just might have failed to mention that he went to another land...like Neverland and became Captain Kirk! (juxtaposition to Star Trek)


    But I would like more science fiction stuff mixed in, like a robot or android :p

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  157. DarthLocke425 March 2013 at 19:39

    It's because so far she's very inhuman in the sense that she's flawless and her compassion seems strictly limited, making her appear cold. She seems hard to relate to, because she has been presented to not have experiences and tribulations of all the other characters..

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  158. Leonie198825 March 2013 at 19:49

    Ok, this episode was medium, but I love to see some cool Snow again. Herr arrow shooting practice was awesome! And I think she really gets what is happening to her, at least like this she can fight it. the Snowing talk in the end was refreshing, but they really need to give Charming something to do.
    I hope this is not the last we have seen of adult August.

    And Tamara! What a witch! Maybe she is Cruella Deville :) Just pure mean. Wants to use magic for the perfect fur coat^^

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  159. ThirdofEight25 March 2013 at 20:39

    Oh, I see. Yes, that would be interesting! I'm inclined to go with the "other land" theory as well for Kirk, though I can't imagine how he managed to leave this world from a pre-Emma, no-magic Storybrooke.

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  160. ThirdofEight25 March 2013 at 20:42

    Excellent point. She's a bit too ethereal. I want to see her screw up sometime and have to deal with genuine hardship. (That sounded cruel.)

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  161. DarthLocke425 March 2013 at 21:20

    Exactly! (and totally agree!)

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  162. DarthLocke425 March 2013 at 21:23

    " And it was a big mistake, in my opinion, to use last Sunday's episode to precede a one-month hiatus. They would have been better off breaking after the cliffhanger ending to "The Miller's Daughter". ABC had better do a good job of promoting "Lacey" if they want to get the ratings back to where they were last year. I'm sure the finale will be epic - but perhaps it needs to happen sooner rather than later."

    That's the truth! It would have been WAY better to end at TMD!

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  163. DarthLocke425 March 2013 at 21:31

    Well we know there was some, because Regina had been using things she brought with her in some cases for magical purposes (as this is how she had Jefferson reach back in time through his hat and retrieve the poisonous apple for her Emma foil that goes all wrong (which we have a paralleled apple tarts dessert in "Welcome to Storybrooke")

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  164. Lilith Hellfire25 March 2013 at 21:35

    well, JJ is certainly up to a lot this upcoming TV season, isn't he

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  165. DarthLocke425 March 2013 at 21:40

    Ya, seriously. I think he has too have a lot of middle men! The company is certainly ambitious this year!

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  166. prpleight25 March 2013 at 21:46

    If a shows flaws kick me out of the story then I don't think that's too critical. It's not generally the goal of a writer to be unable to keep their viewers attention on the story they're telling.

    I love this show and the general quality of the episodes has been so high that I'm going to expect them to be better than say... Warehouse 13 (a show I also love but for me it's bubble gum)...

    Every series airs 2-3 duds. Out of an average of 22 eps in a season that's a pretty good record. But, I'll call a dud when I see one and for me...this ep was a dud.

    But there were some good elements to the ep. I am enjoying Snow's story. The Owen story shows some intriguing promise.

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  167. prpleight25 March 2013 at 21:54

    Well, it seems that one of the traits of the human animal is that we're more willing to be vocal with criticism than we are with praise. I do (and have) praised episodes that I really enjoyed.


    I love blathering about what I like and dislike about various episodes of all my favorite shows -- it's why this is the only board I regularly post to. (It's also a place where agreements and disagreements remain friendly and respectful. Which is no small thing on the internet.)

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  168. prpleight25 March 2013 at 22:03

    I really liked the scene when Regina let Owen know she new who he was...all the while refusing to acknowledge the magic.


    I agree that Owen and Tamara have to potential to be really good villains. I'm actually looking forward to seeing where they take that.

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  169. Andy Serrato26 March 2013 at 03:29

    This was more so implied, but Tamara is on this whole expedition BECAUSE of her relationship with Owen. She doesn't "just happen" to be involved with him. She's is in love with him, and he told her about his past, and now she is off to find proof of magic. That's why she was in HK, that's why she was in NY following August. And it's not like Tamara found August for the first time as he drove away, I am sure she has been following him for quire some time. As for knowing where the trailer/jail is, countless stories do that and it is not exactly a bad thing.

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  170. Feekk26 March 2013 at 04:28

    Yes, that one I agree. I mean to use last Sunday's episode since it is a standalone and a light episode. So, nothing much to look forward to the next episode. But if they used the Miller's Daughter, people might feel like, "Ohh, so much to expect to next episode!!"

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  171. InvestedInYourFuture26 March 2013 at 07:01

    Apparently Jane Espenson said that while that taser is not magical, it is way more than a simple taser.

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  172. ThirdofEight26 March 2013 at 12:16

    Good theories. Yeah, I do think Regina might have used magic in pre-Emma Storybrooke more times than we originally supposed.

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  173. Pascal21926 March 2013 at 15:24

    I don't fully know how to respond to this. I think you are making a good point, but it requires me to put faith in the writers/creators of the show. If anything I hope it to be true, but the writers/creators on this show have shown this season that they are not capable of making strong coherent plot choices that carry over from episode to episode.


    Nor do most of the characters make sense when they ''flip'' their attitude on a whim. It would support what you are saying, if I'm reading it right, but I don't think they are going that route

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  174. DarthLocke427 March 2013 at 00:06

    I am not disagreeing that there aren't execution problems at times, but I think we're actually given SO much information in some really simple ways in short periods of time, that it's subtext gets lost in all the things going on, but I find when I go back and think about the events, the episode titles, and the physical things that are happening, they are mostly about the unforeseen consequences of using magic [in this way] and the array of identity crises along with the past catching up to them, not giving them the time to think clearly about who they were in relation to whom they are, and this is leads some of them to change, or at least teeter back in forth when concerning their beliefs.


    There are SO many things that point to transformation and convergences, that I don't see how it is not the theme of the season, but transformation is also synonymous sometimes for "bridge" and that's how I choose to take the season. I think season 3 will be more straight forward.

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  175. inhighheels27 March 2013 at 01:11

    Quite accurate and, in my very humble opinion, this episode proved once and for all how much OUaT depends on Rumple and Regina for the story to actually be interesting. Without those two, things just don't flow.

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