Grey's Anatomy - Season 9 So Far ...kind of ...Review
15 Mar 2013
Grey's Anatomy MS ReviewsSeason so far...
Well firstly this ‘so far’ review was written before last night’s episode 917. I chose not to post it, mostly because my negative feelings have only grown and perhaps now I’m losing proportion. Who needs to read my whiney moany complainy bitchin’ anyway? I have since been persuaded to put it out there, because these are valid concerns and quite frankly need to be voiced, if nothing else to release my pressure cooker. So here you go. Beware this is pre-917, which perhaps you’ve seen so hopefully by the time I get to read any comments I will have seen 917 too. And maybe there will be light.
I found this a difficult article to write in the same way as I have found the previous few episode reviews difficult to write. And it boils down to one sentence why really...I hate Grey’s Anatomy at the moment. There. I said it. Phew.
I don’t really hate it, you understand, because it’s my single favourite show. But when something you love is being kicked about, well, quite frankly I get angry.
After a brilliant start to Season 9 where drama, superb writing and quality characterization kept me enthralled week after week I find myself viewing the mid season round of episodes with dread, embarrassment for the cast and rage at Shonda and the mess she has made of my beloved show.
Harsh? No. It’s the truth.
Watching an episode of Grey’s Anatomy at the moment is like watching a car crash happen in real time on the opposite side of the highway and knowing that the outcome will a. not be good and b. completely out of my control as I’m on the other side. Or should I say plane crash. How did it get to this?
The decimation of some real characters in favour of new fake ones:
I am all FOR an ensemble. If you’ve read my reviews in the past I have consistently defended the large cast and the subsequent low screen time to big stories because of it. I like that aspect of the show. It’s set in a hospital, which lends itself well to multiple characters and storylines constantly interacting, operating in parallel and going in all different directions. However this only works if the writers develop their strong characters, use existing back-story and (in the context that this is fiction) provide stories that the viewer believes in but at the same time push us out of our comfort zone.
Strong character no. 1: What has happened to Alex? Throughout the season so far he’s been almost universally ignored. For reasons which are not apparent to me the writers seem intent on providing an ‘off into the sunset’ romance rather than a meaty, rich character based story. I do not need to see all my favourite characters go off into that sunset. I just need to see great drama, well acted. What’s happened to his back story that could have been exploited? Instead we’ve been fed the fake, manufactured immature brother/sister storyline of Alex and intern Jo Wilson. Jackson Avery is made hospital head honcho, and finds himself in a love triangle and Alex gets to be drunk and play stupid with the intern. Let’s rewind the clock about 5 years. Didn’t we already see Alex the intern getting drunk on tequila in Mer’s house? You might say that this is how a character like Alex would act in real life. To which I would say “perhaps” but it provide s*** television. This farcical arc is compounded by the fact that Camilla Luddington is woefully miscast (and by the way what is it with the casting of non-Americans playing Americans for Alex’s love interest) and poorly written. She’s not Izzie 2.0. She’s Izzie 0.5. I was never a really big Izzie fan but so far not one woman paired with Alex comes close to what he needs post Izzie. There is a rule in story writing. It works for the written word and it works for film & TV. It goes like this “show me, don’t tell me”. For the season so far Jo tells us all about her life, everything we know about Jo has been told to us by her. We don’t get to experience it, we don’t see it, more profoundly we don’t get to DISCOVER it. Instead it’s narrated to us and the viewer is simply expected to believe it. But that’s not even the end of it...there is no chemistry between these actors. None. Maybe they like to joke around on set so the writers think – hey, they’re great together. But that’s not enough. I need to be able to root for them but there is no spark to hold on to. Alex is pulled back into immature intern behavior, Jo is a vague, shadow of a character, outshone by every single one of the other new interns and there is a void of any real substance.
Strong character no. 2: Does Sarah Drew still work on the show?
Cast your mind back to Season 6 finale double. Full of drama and character and everything that makes this show. Now remember the character April. She irritated some people but she also got under the viewers skin in those episodes, for example the moment she told Meredith that her best friend had died or the moment she babbled to the gunman about her family in a bit to make herself a person in his eyes, just so he wouldn’t kill her. Now fast forward to mid season 9. I don’t know about you but I don’t even recognize the April of today as being the same character as before. I don’t mean the evolution, which is there, I mean the depth. April dances on the periphery of this show constantly and it’s a waste of both a strong character and a very talented actress. Again we have Jackson Avery, played by the (bless him) quite bland one-sided Jessie Williams, soaking up the story from everyone else and we have April languishing in half character death mode as his lost love.
Crikey. Here’s an idea Shonda. Put April with Alex, then at least we will get a story.
Strong character no. 3: Did Arizona have her leg chopped off or is that another Grey’s illusion?
For a few episodes early season I saw the real depth of Arizona and then... nothing. Suddenly all her leg drama has disappeared as if she’s perfectly two footed again and she’s back to being sidelined. I think we’ve seen more kiddie patient stories this season than any other but instead of the brilliant partnership of Alex and Arizona the former is pretending to be booze buddies with the intern over sick kids and the latter is...well no where really. She’s the fifth wheel in the lawsuit. I am barely aware that she is someone’s wife. And of all people Jackson is giving her ‘tude as if he’s suddenly a plastics god. Hang on, who died and made him god. Oh yeah. Mark did. The writers forgot long ago about the best version of Arizona for our screens. She kinda died around episode 702. Instead we’re heading back to bubbly bland. What a shame.
The sacrifice of brilliant storyline potential for soap suds and legal blah.
I completely get the temptation in a show in it’s 9th season to start thinking out of the box for stories. I understand that ratings are the most important element that keeps a show on air. Drama begets ratings. Well, actually well acted, characterized and believable (again in context that this is fiction) drama begets ratings. Oh, and apparently more of Jackson Avery. But what seems to have been forgotten this season is that we tune in for a medical drama about relationships, sex and scalpels.
Okay, there is a lot of sex mid season for some. Not Alex, cause he’s ...well I’m not quite sure how he’s coping without it at the moment. Not April because she’s now a lying born again virgin (really? Would April lie? To Jesus?). Not Arizona or Callie because presumably it’s not interesting enough for us to see how they get their intimacy back. But Jackson’s getting some of course. Oh and Cristina and Owen but more about them later.
Grey’s Anatomy Turns Soap Opera. There are so many things wrong with the lawsuit story line that it’s painful to even talk about it.
Cast your mind back to “Love the one you’re with” 903 and this dialogue...
Callie: “Mistakes happen Derek, accidents happen, we make mistakes that can cost lives too”
Derek: “Yes, we do, but when we do we have M&M’s, we pour over the files, we make sure it never happens again, and we try to make sure future patients never have to go through that grief. I have to sleep with the lights on every night because the darkness is too much. We just can’t stand by and watch this happen to other people’s Lexies and Marks. We have to do something about it. We have to make this right....Callie, what are you thinking...”
The lawyer keeps interrupting.
Callie: “You’re not one of us, you don’t know, you have no idea what we’ve been through. Derek’s right, we shouldn’t take the money. We can’t take it”
Beautiful right?
Then what happened, they sue the hand that feeds them which seems to have nothing to do with making something wrong, right (as Derek espoused) and chaos ensued. Not only that but in what court in what land would the money just be handed over. No appeal, no criminal charges, no come back for the aircraft company at all. Is the wrong that Derek wanted to right ensuring that Owen looks at his paperwork before he signs contracts? Because that’s the only wrong that’s been challenged. And Owen still has a job (though I’m quite sure he won’t make that mistake again).
And who is CRIMINALLY negligent for the preventable deaths of two doctors and why hasn’t there been ANY storyline about that.
And then the one pushing hard to ‘save’ the hand that fed them is the one person who didn’t actually get any money. Callie. Bullying your wife into giving up your money or the money belonging to your child is not a heartwarming conclusion to this story.
Poor.
Several doctors were involved in a plane crash with death and serious injury. And the resultant conclusion is...Jackson is in charge. Who saw that coming during the episode when Jackson is the Gunther?
Now I know, you all think I hate Jackson. I don’t hate him. He’s rather too dull and lifeless to hate. I just think the writers or Shonda are flogging a wet character too hard. Jackson in the position of running the hospital is something I’m rather ambivalent about. I don’t care enough about him to want him to succeed. But I don’t hate him enough to want him to fail. It’s just a rather stupid storyline coated in soap suds. He’s barely qualified as a fully fledged doctor, indeed he hasn’t even finished his fellowship and he’s been given a hospital to run by his mother. Well first of all, she clearly doesn’t know him very well, secondly she obviously feels that hospital administration is more important than getting actual doctoring experience under his belt and thirdly I prefer to see Derek, Cristina, Meredith, Callie, Arizona, Alex, April, Richard, Bailey sparkle in the OR over Jackson so if he’s not there, if he’s pen pushing and ‘administrating’ then great. I’m all for it. But let’s be very clear. It’s not credible. He will succeed because Shonda loves him and will want him to. I suspect he’ll be quite good, then at the end of the season come to some nice neat cosy conclusion that he wants to be doctoring not administrating. He’ll have a drink in a bar with his mom and she’ll be all “sweetheart, honey, okay” about it and Jackson will be the hero. Shonda won’t let him fail. Unfortunately for the drama.
Missed opportunity 1: Grief. Is anyone else missing Mark as much as I am? Because Callie isn’t. How brilliant and angsty and heartbreaking would the season be if Shonda had allowed Callie to grieve in front of us. Instead she put it in a nice neat box, showed us precisely 36 seconds of Callie missing Mark and now we move on. How BRILLIANT would it have been to see Arizona and Callie conclude their Mark story with some dialogue around how she talked to him in the woods, how they bonded trying to survive or how much Callie is grieving for her best friend. Do you remember that they were best friends even? And has Derek even noticed that Mark’s gone. I hate to say it but the one character who seems to have missed him the most is Jackson, plastics posse’s surviving half. Now you might say, but we saw Meredith grieve for Lexie didn’t we? Well not really. The only conclusion I come to about this lack of storyline is that the writers are short on ‘grief’ experience. I would never wish it on anyone, because I’ve been there, but sometimes in order to show us the writers need to know it themselves. And I don’t think they do.
Missed opportunity 2: Backstory. I’ll be brief because I’ve said it all. Arizona, Alex and April (hmmm. All the A’s) all have unexplored backstory. Wasted.
Missed opportunity 3: Bailey. Shonda has committed two crimes against Grey’s Anatomy. Firstly she’s put Bailey in the sidelines for too long now. And secondly she put Jackson in charge of Bailey. Now, I can maybe possibly tolerate Jackson in charge of the lawsuit five or Alex, or April. Even Webber, because ultimately Webber trumps Jackson by virtue of bedding his mother. But Jackson in charge of Bailey. Shame on Shonda. That is every flavour of wrong.
Now...it’s not all bad really. No really it’s not. I’m p***** off about this mid season stuff but early season was excellent. And even in mid season there are some gems. But there aren’t many. This won’t take long.
I had little hope for Cristina and Owen as the season began. I honestly thought that their solution would be a patched up compromise (it still could be) but it seems that as the season has passed this storyline is perhaps the most honest and the most real. I have no idea where they will end up. I suspect that Shonda is kicking herself that she’s already used the ‘long lost child’ story in Private Practice because a good way out of her dilemma would be to provide Owen with a ready made child from a previous relationship. How neat and tidy would that be? In the meantime the development of his relationship with Cristina, the divorce, the post divorce sex, the love over-flowing from them both now they are free from marital bonds, the understanding between them of the difficulty in their relationship, that they want different things and the recognition of the futility of their situation but they carry on anyway...it all works. As a viewer I can tap into both their pain and their passion. The writers are not rushing this and I like it. They are magnets drawn to each other. On top of that they have provided a strong (if unbelievable) storyline for Owen. This helps to create an illusion of time passing between him and Cristina. I have more faith in this story than previously and I’m enjoying how it’s panning out.
Who could not be happy that Meredith is pregnant? I am very happy. The woman deserves a normal life, kids, husband, big house, even hideous working hours...no bombs in stomachs to hold on to, no drowning, no gunmen pointing to her head, no plane crashes. Just a normal pregnancy and a happy family. I celebrate that. Though this show is all about the drama it’s good that Meredith gets to have some drama free ...um drama. It’s enough that she’s been coerced into spending her fifteen million on a hospital that’s now being run by a child...but enough of that.
Besides Jo I haven’t said anything about the interns. Actually I like the fact that the new Attendings have things (interns) to play with. And I like Mousy and Leah, they’re both quite quirky. Do they deserve to be here in season 10. Those two do, but not at the expense of April, Bailey and Arizona’s story. The rest, no.
To finish this epic b**** of a download I will add one more thing. Now more than ever before I miss Mark. My heart aches that he is dead and ED is not in the show. And that, perhaps, is why I am struggling with how this season is evolving. Grief. It’s a powerful thing.
Off to watch 917 now. Did they make it all better?


Fantastic and honest review. Could not agree more with you. I'm at the point of stopping watching :(
ReplyDeleteI also totally agree and I have stopped. Haven't watched the last three yet and don't know if I will. It's just all so dull. Hate Jo. It seems as if the writers are just recycling alexs storylines. Jackson is meah. May watch last couple to decide about next season, or may just leave it.
ReplyDeleteI still haven't watched last night's episode. Frankly it'll probably be a while before I do, because I am so over this plot. I completely agree, this season started off so strong...and now it's more a legal drama than a medical one. I am so over it.
ReplyDeleteDon't wait! You should watch it because they're done with the legal stuff. It was a great episode, btw. Oh, and next week's epi looks like a fun ride. :D
ReplyDeletecan't agree more, season 9 is so ridiculous,avery in charge is just stupid, and the lawsuit story is unreal, I love grey's anatomy but watching the development of the show is so painful.
ReplyDeleteSuch a great honest outpouring of your frustration at this show. So much there that I agree with, I have not watched the new one; but I shall now; I love this show, and will stick with it till the end, but my God, I have lost interest this season. Especially the last four or so episodes. This Jackson running SG, I'm so not good with that. I too, miss Mark, and I agree these writers can't do grief. We really have not seen Meredith grieve for Lexie or Derek for Mark and not to mention Callie. The way the writers are writing her is getting many fans off side; lot's of talk on TWOP about how Callie is a bully, and she is being portayed that way. Anyway gonna go watch the episode, hope it's a good one.
ReplyDeleteI completely agree with you, the lack of grief is killing me, period. They've forgotten about Mark and even more about Lexie. C'mon, your sister is dead and all you do is remember it with one patient and say 'My sister is dead' with a fake tear? Didn't like that, and maybe you're right, maybe they don't have grieving experience, the same happened with George, Izzie missed him for, like, three episodes and that's it.
ReplyDeleteI won't get started talking about Bailey, because it's not something that only belongs to this season. They destroyed Bailey, completely. Does anyone remember the Nazi? She used to be so great and focused and mean, but at the same time she cared about her interns, quite much. Now she's just a shadow of what she used to be, and that's the writers fault. She was meant to be the chief, and I really hope she gets to be one day, she's Webbers legacy. Just hope Shonda and her team won't forget about it before the show ends.
Haven't watched last night's episode yet, but it's a shame how since the midseason the show is lacking in greatness. Now, let's hope it lands again and we get a decent season finale.
PS: Great review!
PS2: I hate Avery
First off, your review was straight and honest- never sensed an atom of whining or complaining there- You just pointed out what disappointed you, and what opportunities were missed, and I love that! Alex's storylines have gone the way his looks have- But I agree, I think Alex and April would be interesting! Jackson, I have always thought he was the male Mer minus the heart and charm: Struggling under the whole "Legacy", confused and all that, but somehow, being able to help people even when they cannot help themselves. Jackson the Gunther, Jackson and Mer's Cindy Lou moment... The actor is well, wooden. Cannot act to save his life, I guess Shonda thought the show needed eye candy. I like Mousy the best- I think she's adorable! Lack of grieving? Well, I would like to ask, which of these characters act like they're out of High School? I guess this is how High School kids grieve!
ReplyDeleteThis article emphasis everything that grates when it comes to people's reaction to the character of Jackson Avery. People dislike him for nonsensical reasons and instead of admitting that they are bias they make up these ridiculous reasons. One,his supposed ego which seems to stem from him not cowing down to Arizona. His obligation for that case was to the patient,the family of the patient,and the Plastics Attending. Arizona didn't even attempt to discuss Jackson's plan,but instead shut it down and talked down to him because he's not Mark. People hate Jackson because he refuses to be treated like crap,something Arizona has done for years in regards to the Jackson character. There is no ego that Jackson has shown,that trait should be pt on Cristina and Alex,but the ego excuse is simply a polite way of saying that Jackson "doesn't know his place". A place that doesn't seem to belong to any of the other fellows. Alex can,and has,done so much worse then Jackson,yet people will bend over backwards to defend him. The hate he gets from viewers and characters is so far beyond the pale it's a little bit nauseating. He could have turned down his mother and had Catherine close the hospital,but then he would have been called a lot worse. This hate for characters who look like Jackson isn't new. It's in damn near every fandom,but it is time for it to be called out for what it is. I'm sure they're honest reasons to dislike Jackson,but this article didn't list a single one.
ReplyDeleteI think you should probably re-read my article.
ReplyDeletePlease explain to me why YOU think I'm biased against Jackson as you imply something I haven't written. I'm curious.
I have said I don't hate his character. This is true. I don't. I don't particularly like his character either. I find most of the other characters much more interesting and stimulating. I find Avery a weak character and Williams a one sided actor. I think April has more character and Sarah Drew more acting ability in her little finger than Jesse Williams.
ONE comment I make is about his 'tude to Arizona. Never once has Alex ever spoken so disrespectfully to her. Or if he has and I've forgotten he doesn't get away with it. Go back and re-watch the episode. Jackson changed his plan WITHOUT DISCUSSING with the child's other doctors. This is not acceptable in any hospital anywhere. He is a plastics fellow. He is not a fully fledged plastics attending. HIs attitude was not to have a discussion but "as a courtesy" to tell her what he was doing. Actually he should have initiated a discussion given she is the peds specialist and his superior. He shut it down with his "courtesy" comment.
I do not mention his ego. He spoke disrespectfully to a more experienced superior. He could have handled the situation better.
I have not ONCE mentioned anything referring to what he looks like. You say "the hate for characters who look like Jackson isn't new". What do you mean? What needs to be called out? Are you accusing me of something?
In regards to your Alex question I'll simply say look at the past seasons. The number of times he has disrespected a superior is numerous. If you want a clear example look up Dr. Robert Stark. Jackson couldn't touch the disrespect Alex showed to him,but because it's Alex and Stark was a jerk it was okay. Jackson was discussing the plan for the Plastics portion of the surgery,something he needed to get approved by the Plastics Attending which he did. Where once did Arizona even mentioned how his surgery could conflict with her surgery? She didn't like it because she wasn't consulted first and would have denied it anyway. Jackson did not owe anything to Arizona and people seem lost on that concept. The only disrespect shown was Arizona comparing him to a babysitter. She seems to be quite a fan of humiliating him in public. I don't begrudge you disliking the character or actor,but to tack on this ego claim because he simply has a valid opinion and goes against a character you happen to like more is troublesome. I say the hate for "characters that look like him" because he seems to be getting the same identical comments that people who hate Bonnie Bennett on Vampire Diaries get. People complain of an ego that simply isn't there. Now,mind you I never said that's why you hated Jackson. That was just a general sentiment that is shared throughout most of the fandom. People seem completely unwilling to try and look at the facts with the Jackson character. They place their own bias onto him and construct their thoughts based on that.
ReplyDeleteI agree with this post so very much. It perfectly articulates every frustration I have with the show at the moment. especially for Alex, Bailey, Arizona and April's characters. I am not a Jackson hater, but I don't like what they are doing with his character. Jackson is kind of like a male version of Meredith in terms of legacy, only he got the experience of a caring (though overbearing) mother, instead of Ellis Grey. Interesting enough, but I think mostly it seems like the story is too overexposed. Jackson is not an interesting enough character, and though Jesse Williams acting has improved by leaps and bounds since s6, he easily remains the weakest of the main cast. Why does he get a huge plot focused on him?
ReplyDeleteThat is where my frustration over Alex, Bailey, Arizona and April comes in. Alex's character has always had so much unexplored depth. He was easily the most interesting intern aside from Cristina right back in s1. And how he has developed since then should be one of the best stories of growth on the show. And Justin Chambers is a wonderful actor. Poor Bailey in s9 doesn't even feel like the Bailey we all learned to love in earlier years. She should have left the hospital when Pegasus was going to buy it. She is small and unimportant now which is what she said she didn't want to be. We all know Chandra Wilson is incredibly skilled. And Jcap has done beautifully with Arizona's leg plot, but what? She loses her leg, freaks out about it for a while, gets her groove back, goes back to work and...what? That is it? She never has a peds case, and barely talks? Something is wrong here.
Lastly Sarah Drew and April. Sarah Drew does really really well when the material is good. She's even been doing quite well when the material is very clearly not good. One of the least utilized talents in the main cast. April (with her coming back from being fired after a mistake) was always more interesting than Avery, and both actors came onto the show at the same time. Lately it is even interesting during those glimpses of her character teaching the interns, because despite getting shafted herself on the mentor front, she is a good one to them. Yet, all the major focus April gets these days are awkward and painful 'romance' type plots with Avery? She is isolated from most of the other regular characters, occasionally gets a good medical case and spends about 5 minutes in each episode. Why? If it is time for Jackson's character to get a big story, why not her? The actor is better suited for it that is for sure.
And yet, all these major characters, Alex, Bailey, Arizona, and April have in a sense been shunted aside in favor of learning more about these new interns, and a plane/lawsuit mess that has strayed so far from it's original intentions I don't even care anymore. They are all characters I already know and care about, and I'd rather learn more about them and have the interns as the side stories. It seems like some interns are on and talk more than regulars these days. And I have absolutely no idea how this lawsuit/hospital buyout/renaming the hospital is going to do anything at all to prevent a plane crash like that from happening again, or stop other people from losing their Mark's and Lexie's. No connection there at all.
Ugh. Thanks for writing this. It really needed to be said i think, because I think it is on a lot of people's minds. I love me some grey's anatomy and I *want* it to be great, and that is why I am so frustrated with it.
Seriously what are you talking about? I find your subtext rather tiresome. Please explain yourself. Are you accusing me of racism? If you are then I will be reporting you to the site administrator. If you are not then you are gonna have to explain yourself because I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I have never watched Vampire Diaries.
ReplyDeleteThanks! I am not there yet but I fear I am close and very sad about that.
ReplyDeleteJackson is meah. Yes. Very well put.
ReplyDeleteThanks! I love that Bailey got Ben in the end but it's a shame he's not a central character. He'd have made a great surgical resident. How funny would that be. And great material for Bailey.
ReplyDeleteThe lawsuit is unreal, even with the usual accelerated Grey's timeline.
ReplyDeleteThey tried something but in my book it didn't work. I like that they tried though. I think mainly they underestimated how important it is for us to watch them make medical miracles. All of them.
ReplyDeleteI haven't watched it yet and I will, and try with an open mind :)
ReplyDeleteAs I said the statement about Jackson and people like him was a fandom wide statement. What I don't understand about you and your point of view boils down to holding Jackson to a standard you don't hold anyone else to. Even if he did have a Attitude? Why isn't he allowed? You never talked about my point between Alex and Stark. If it's so very important to respect your superiors why didn't you call out Robbins,Callie,Derek,and Meredith for not respecting Jackson. They may not like it,but the man is their boss (something Yang and Derek told us). If you don't like Jackson I completely get that,but when that dislike is based on things that you happily ignore in other characters I can't understand that and this article does nothing to explain that. I mention Bonnie,because she is the first character who I see who seems to be treated the exact same way for similar nonsensical reasons. What's so bad about saying that you don't like Jackson simply because you don't? We all have mindless dislike for characters,but these reasons don't fly. Especially when you want to see characters like Alex and April elevated in his place.
ReplyDeleteThis is my opinion about Jackson. I'm copy and pasting it because you clearly haven't read what I wrote:
ReplyDelete"He’s rather too dull and lifeless to hate. I just think the writers or Shonda are flogging a wet character too hard. Jackson in the position of running the hospital is something I’m rather ambivalent about. I don’t care enough about him to want him to succeed. But I don’t hate him enough to want him to fail. It’s just a rather stupid storyline coated in soap suds."
And this is my opinion about Jesse Williams acting ability compared with, in this example Sarah Drew, again I am copy and pasting because again you clearly have not read what I wrote:
"April dances on the periphery of this show constantly and it’s a waste of both a strong character and a very talented actress. Again we have Jackson Avery, played by the (bless him) quite bland one-sided Jessie Williams, soaking up the story from everyone else and we have April languishing in half character death mode as his lost love."
I welcome other peoples opinions including if you disagree, indeed especially if you disagree. But you have made your entire criticism about me based on 28 words out of nearly 3000 word review. And indeed the paragraph itself was actually about Arizona, who is a much stronger character AND JCap as an actress seems to have more range.
If you want to bleat on and on about vampire diaries or your issues with the fan forum please find somewhere else to do it.
I repeat I am tired of the subtext. Say what you mean or go away.
I'm honestly confused how much clearer I can be. The problem is you happily accept flaws in other characters that you condemn Jackson for. That's the issue. You've yet to explain why and if that statement you posted was all that was said about the character then I wouldn't see an issue. But you went on to talk about his attitude towards Arizona and his talking like a new plastics god. While saying how much more you'd like to see Alex who has done so much worse in the attitude category
ReplyDeleteAnswer to your question: No, they didn't make it better.
ReplyDeleteIf I didn't hate Jackson before this sealed the deal. An arrogant plastics fellow running a hospital. And now he will succeed as a boss and becomes the hero. You're kidding me, right? All these capable women but they always seems to need a man in the top spot. Derek, Owen and even Jackson.
I can't abandon Grey's but you're right, there are so many missed opportunitys (especially with Alex and Arizona) and it makes me utterly frustrated.
Keep reviewing even if you're having negative feelings because your opinions are valid, very well explained and interesting to read.
You only demonstrate that you have not read any of my previous reviews. If you had you would know my opinions about Alex.
ReplyDeleteWhen doctors are coming up with a plan for a patient they do it together. They do not make a decision in isolation with each other, discuss it with the patient first and only then with their fellow and more senior colleagues. Indeed you do not let your fellow surgeons find out your plan in front of the patient. Clearly this is acceptable behaviour for you it's not for me. This is what he did. When Arizona challenged him in the corridor he refused to enter into the discussion you are so keen actually for Arizona to do. She challenged his knowledge of the patient and HE refused to enter the discussion but merely inform her "if you want me to walk you through my thought process I guess I can do that as a matter of courtesy".
Jackson's was an arrogant comment (irrespective of comparisons) and I made a humorous gag about Mark the plastics god. Because he's dead. And he was indeed a god. Compared to Jackson Mark was. And apparently according to you it means that I am holding him to different standards.
Now how about you answer a direct question. Are you calling me racist?
First off. To put this whole racist nonsense to rest. I don't know you,hence me calling you a racist is out of my field of knowledge. I simply find it confusing why you want more of Alex,even moreso if you've condemned him for his awful behavior but find it frustrating that Jackson is getting more screen time. Why does Alex (and April) deserve it more then Jackson. Because you like them? That's perfectly fine,but this article seemed to do everything to not say that by making up these excuses as to why they deserve it. Arizona never challenged Jackson. She said it wasn't Mark's plan so it wasn't good. Never once bothering to actually hear why Jackson decided to go that route. You are mistaken in thinking that Jackson needed to go to Arizona for anything. His duty is to his attending,which is the Plastics attending and if the attending decides that Arizona needs to know then he can go and discuss it with Arizona or tell Jackson to discuss it with her. He did neither. Arizona's history with Jackson has been appalling. She reduced him to nothing but a pretty face in public and as his boss she should have known better. She used his PTSD against him to psyche him out of a surgery that she knew he could do. I can only imagine the anger someone like Mark would have gotten if used Cristina PTSD against her in order to do her surgery. That is the double standard I'm talking about. You seem quick to defend Arizona without remembering the full history of the two. Yet,all Jackson seems to be is arrogant.
ReplyDeleteNo trust me, you are the one that is being nonsensical. You obviously have not read the first paragraph of this review to know that your "calling out for disrespect from the other doctors" in 9x17 in regards Jackson is invalid. You first state that people have a bias on other characters that are not Jackson but then follow by doing the same when anybody has issue with him. It seems like to you Jackson can do no wrong and if he does why should it matter, which again makes your initial argument also invalid.
ReplyDeleteI kind of use to like Jackson, but around 9x11 he became a arrogant jerk. That is not what his character use to be like.
You have put subtext after subtext into your posts relating to other forums and sites and comments, clearly leading to a point you are now unwilling to make. That's probably a good thing. I believe it would likely be an unpleasant discourse.
ReplyDeleteYou are completely ignoring my arguments about character depth and the ability to act. So I will try one more time...
I want more of Alex because Alex as a character has more depth and is more interesting. It's not about his behaviour. I want to watch interesting fascinating characters. I don't care if they behave badly if it's written well and played well. I am repeating myself again but it seems I have to - I find Jackson Avery to be dull, dull, dull. Also Justin Chambers can act and Jesse Williams not so much. Again I repeat myself the same for April, better more interesting character, better actor. Seriously it's not about "do I like them or not". I'm not a child nor am I in high school. I prefer characters who are interesting.
You love Jackson. It's sweet. I'm glad someone does. And I hope you two will be very happy. Maybe you don't like Arizona much. That's also okay too. Wouldn't it be boring if we all shared your love of Jackson. Seriously, I would be bored. In fact this argument about whether Arizona did some bad wrong to Jackson is boring me. In the grand scheme of Grey's this relationship is minor. You've your opinion and I've made my point I'm not going to repeat it simply because you keep coming back protecting Jackson's honour. I get it. You love him.
I'm done with this argument.
Thank you so much. And yes, wouldn't it be fun if the hospital was run by Bailey!!
ReplyDeleteThank you. You make some really good points and your comment of Sarah Drew as one of the least utilised talents is so true. And Arizona "She never has a peds case, and barely talks? Something is wrong here." Yes agree.
ReplyDeleteRe. Bailey - it always hurts to talk about how little her character is valued these days. Though I am very pleased she got the lovely Ben.
Ha ha! I forgot about Jackson and Mer's Cindy Lou moment. I actually loved that scene. Grieving? What's grieving?
ReplyDeleteThank you my dear. I've still yet to watch it so here's hoping. I don't think Callie is actually a bully. But her behaviour at that moment was bully like.
ReplyDeleteI'm a bit scared of TWOP
Weak weak weak..... The entire writing staff should be fired.. If not, let the show die.. In many ways, they have already killed it.. Look at any episode from any of the other seasons.. Or better don't. It will only make you very, very sad........ sigh..
ReplyDeleteStop watching the show then. I cannot abide people complaining about TV shows when there's such a simple solution to the problem.
ReplyDeleteNow wouldn't life be unrewarding if we all abandoned the loves of our lives, friends, tv shows because there are some aspects about them that we don't like...at the moment?
ReplyDeleteYeah those posters at TWOP scare me too, which is why I don't post. They are very opinionated about this show and there are some doozy debates sometimes so it's interesting, but I just lurk there. I watch the episode on Friday night, and I was not cheered up by it. I do not like Jackson in this role, and I too would love to see Bailey as chief. I felt the attempt was made to acknowledge Derek's grief over Mark and I was glad to see it. I won't give up either, but I am so frustrated with these writers, I just hate this law suit; it's all wrong and would never happen in the real world. I just want this story over with, let them get on with being great surgeons. This rumour that's circling that Cristina and Owen might adopt a baby is worrying too; even though Shonda said it's not true. I don't believe her. I will never stop watching until the end, and I'm pretty sure that's coming soon; I think we will get a Season 10, and that will be that. I've wondered for long time whether Shonda is bored with this show, and her focus is on Scandal more than Grey's. Scandal is a good show; but I just can't get too invested in it at the moment.
ReplyDeleteIt's not as simple as stop watching the show. That seems to be everyone's solution; but giving up on a show that I've invested nine years in; that I have mostly enjoyed is not going to happen. Grey's may frustrate me at the moment, but the hope is, it will get better and we probably only have one more season till it done anyway, so for me, I will see it through to the end.
ReplyDeleteI will gladly wait for you to point out where I said Jackson is infallible The problem with Jackson is that he does seem to come as a generic good guy. I wanted him to show other sides of a personality,but seeing the reaction he's had for having ambigous conversation with Arizona and the over the top reaction he's received since then shows exactly why he hasn't been written that way. I guess only Alex is allowed to have an opinion or reaction to things. Jackson is just allowed to smile and accept anything to come his way. The man is not an arrogant Jerk. Never has been and that is a fact,not an opinion. If all it takes is one snappy comment to Arizona for you to not like Jackson then I highly doubt you ever liked him to begin with.
ReplyDeleteIf you don't want to have a discussion about a very public article you wrote that's fine,but the condescension is completely unnecessary. I will say that now that you claim you base your reviews on who you like best as an actor I think these kind of reviews belong on a personal blog since you can't be unbiased about the show or characters. Of course you will forgive Alex more for doing worst because you like Chambers more. The problem seems to be that you find Jackson dull,but when he does show any spark of personality he's labeled an arrogant jerk and told to go back to who he used to be,which I assume would be the dull person you don't like.
ReplyDeleteI find your subtext insulting, made worse by your refusal to explain it, which I find completely unnecessary.
ReplyDeleteI believe we have been having a discussion about my public article but you are not reading or making any attempt to understand my comments and therefore making your own assumptions as to why I have this point of view or that point of view.
I talk about characterisation and depth of character. Writers write characters. Yet you talk about them as if they are real. If anything I am criticising the WRITING OF JACKSON. I find his character bland, why don't you read some other comments on here about Jackson, I am not the only one. You talk about him as if he's your friend.
I talk about whether an actor can act yet you continually talk about me 'liking' or 'not liking' an actor. My criticism of Alex is the same, it's the writing of the character because they are not real. But JC is a better ACTOR (as in can act, which has nothing to do with like or dislike) than JW. i'm sure JW is a lovely man, he sure is cute, but this has nothing to do with whether he can act or whether the writers are doing justice to his character.
You believe that Jackson shows a spark of personality. I disagree. You have an opinion, which I don't share. What's wrong with that? I have not labeled him an "arrogant jerk". These are your words entirely. It's okay to have different opinions but this argument is going no where so I am not discussing it anymore. That is not me refusing to discuss my article it's me recognising that we have different opinions and there will not be a resolution.
If you object to the articles I am writing then please by all means report me to the senior staff at Spoiler e.g. DarkUFO. His contact details are in the team contact area of the site.
Talk about him as if he's my friend? What are you talking about? Because I call you out on holding Jackson to a different standard then others I talk to him like he's a friend? You are reviewing a show that involves character,how are we supposed to address the flaws in this article without talking about the characters?
ReplyDeleteAnd of all people Jackson is giving her ‘tude as if he’s suddenly a plastics god.
This is your statement,from this article. You say Jackson of all people is giving her attitude,which means that others are more warranted in doing so,but Jackson isn't. You say as if suddenly he's a plastics god. That goes and shows you believe he's arrogant.
You are obviously fixated on this subtext,so I'll say there is a reason so many other characters are allowed to have 'tudes other then Jackson of all people so maybe it might help to look into why.
Now I'm done.
If you are going to call somebody a racist, at least have the balls to call her it straight out without hiding behind ridiculous baseless arguments that make no sense. And if you are going to call somebody a racist as you have here, I'd make certain you know what the hell you are talking about and who you are talking about because my insider knowledge of the author proves exactly the opposite. It's OKAY to dislike a useless character that is kept around for the "pretty factor" and for no other good reason. His character shows no strengths, has seen NO growth since his arrival at Seattle Grace, and he's disrespectful and argumentative to his superiors without ever being reprimanded for it unlike his colleagues that always end up being put into their places for their disrespectful behaviors. This is the writer's opinion and calling her a racist as you have done in your backwards, chicken-shit way says more about YOU than it does about her. Either grow a set of balls and say what you really mean or grow up and move on. Since I don't see either happening, take your closeted love elsewhere because your obvious own self-hate for your homosexual ways is spilling over into a wonderful article that your nonsense is only blemishing. Go ahead and call me a homophobe I'll have a field day with that one. I can't help it if you can't accept your feelings and feel the need to lash out at a reasonable argument over why a character is worthless and an unnecessary player in this FICTIONAL world.
ReplyDeletePerhaps you should go back and read my early season 9 reviews then judge.
ReplyDelete... At the moment being for quite a while from the sounds of things.
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