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Supernatural - 8.12 - As Time Goes By - Quotes

3 Feb 2013

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As Time Goes By was a weird episode for me. I adored having the brothers working together, on the same page and not fighting again. From the opening credits until the end it felt like classic Supernatural. In fact, Sam was in character the entire episode. Yippee! It only took 12 episodes to get there. I've missed the small things like the silent conversations the brothers have and how they know instinctively what the other is thinking. I missed family and all the little ways the brothers showed that they care for each other. In this episode I finally got that back. Unfortunately I also got a lot of canon-breaking, unanswered questions, and Henry too. For me, this episode will hinge on what happens next so it's really too soon to tell overall. In the end I was glad Henry was dead, the brothers were still human, and I rekindled my love of Supernatural a bit.

The quotes below are of course my opinion and nothing else. Your mileage can and most likely will vary, especially in the eye-rolling quote section where I despised the most popular quote of the night. Also last week I completely forget to add the quote nomination forms so here's three weeks worth to catch up. We'll do the big quotes contest over summer hellatus so get your nominations in and as always feel free to share them in the comments section.

Funny/Snarky quotes:

10. Dean: "Sorry about that." Henry: "No you're not. You've wanted to do that since we met."
9. Dean: "So you're like Yodas to our Jedis….Never mind. You'll get there."
8. Dean: "Well this has been touching. Why don't we figure out how to clean up your mess, huh?"
7. Dean: "Okay. Enough with the decoder talk."
6. Henry: "Hand me your walkie talkie." Sam: "You mean my phone?" Henry: "Even better. Operator, I need Delta 457." Dean: "Who are you NOT calling?"
5. Henry: "2013. My God. I guess the Mayans were wrong."
4. Dean: "Yeah well now that you are done blowing chunks, you want to tell us who the hell Betty Crocker was?"
3. Henry: "That's the problem with you hunters. You're all shortsighted." Dean: "Yeah well at least we're not extinct."
2. Dean: "What level?" Henry: "Level of knowledge. You're men of letters correct?" Dean: "Um, I'm a little rusty on my boy bands. Men of what?"
1. Sam: "I'll tell you what. When one of us falls out of your closet, then you can ask the questions."


Story-moving quotes:

13. Dean: "What are the chances that place is still standing?"
12. Abaddon: "Good boy. Now listen up. I want to make a good old-fashioned horse trade. Henry and the key for you brother or he dies. Am I clear?" Dean: "Crystal."
11. Henry: "You're more than that actually. My father and his father before him were both Men of Letters, as John and you two should have been. We're preceptors, beholders, chroniclers of all that which man does not understand. We share our findings with a few trusted hunters. The very elite. They do the rest."
10. Dean: "Nice taste in wheels." Henry: "Yours I presume."
9. Dean: "That demon trap in your noggin is going to keep you from smoking out. We're going to cut you into little steaks and bury each strip under cement. You might not be dead but you'll wish you were."
8. Dean: "Yeah right. Seriously. Dudes time traveling through motel room closets. That's what we've come to."
7. Larry: "Abaddon was a hired gun. She killed us all in one night."
6. Sam: "Okay but if you guys were such a big deal, then why haven't we or anyone we know ever heard of you?" Henry: "Abaddon."
5. Dean: "And how come she didn't die when I stabbed her?" Henry: "Because demons can't be killed by run of the mill cutlery. At the very least you'd need an ancient demon killing knife of the Kurds." Dean: "That's what this is."
4. Sam: "So how do we stop her? How do we stop Abaddon?" Larry: "You don't. If you know where the key is, then take it to these coordinates. Throw it in. Shut the door forever and walk away." Sam: "Wait. Why would I do that?" Larry: "Because it is the safest place on earth. Warded against any evil ever created. It is impervious to any entry except the key." Sam: "Right but then all that knowledge would be…would be lost and gone forever." Larry: "And that is the price we have to pay for keeping it away from Abaddon."
3. Sam: "Okay what's that?" Henry: "I wish I knew. Abaddon attacked us the night of my initiation. All secrets were to be revealed then." Dean: "Let me get this straight. You traveled through time to protect something that does…you don't know what….from a demon that you know nothing about?...Good."
2. Dean: "A devil's trap carved into the bullet. You're going to have to get close and close means it could get ugly." Henry: "I know. We do that for blood."
1. Larry: "In the box is the key to every object, scroll, spell ever collected in a thousand years under one roof. It is the supernatural mother load."


Emotional quotes:

8. Henry: "I can't abandon my son Dean. Not again. I need to do this. I'm sorry." (Henry starts chanting.) Dean: "Then I'm sorry too."
7. Dean: "I'm just saying before we break out the warm and toasties, let's not forget that uh H. G. Wells over there left dad high and dry when he was a kid." Sam: "But maybe he didn't run out on dad. I mean not on purpose. Maybe he time traveled and…I don't know, got stuck."
6. Henry: "What did he think happened to me?" Dean: "He thought you ran out on him." Henry: "John was a legacy. I was supposed to teach him the ways of the letters." Dean: "Well he learned things a little differently." Henry: "How?" Dean: "The hard way. Surviving a lonely childhood, a stinking war, only to get married and to have his wife taken by a demon and later killed by one himself. That man got a bum rap around every turn but you know what? He kept going and in the end he did a hell of a lot more good than he did bad."
5. Sam: "You think it would have made a difference?" Dean: "What?" Sam: "Dad. If he'd had his own father around." Dean: "What? In how he raised us. Sammy he did the best he could." Sam: "I know that. I do. They all did."
4. Dean: "Listen I understand that this is not your idea of a happy ending okay, and….that…that you're disappointed that me and Sam are mouth breathing hunters, but you know what? We stopped the Apocalypse." Henry: "If this works the way I plan, there will never be an Apocalypse to stop."
3. Henry: "If I could just go back. Stop this all from happening." Dean: "And what if you can't? I can't take that risk. Not with Sammy on the hook now."
2. Henry: "It's the price we pay for upholding great responsibility. We know that." Dean: "Your responsibility was to your family, not some glorified book club." Henry: "I was a legacy. I had no choice." Dean: "Yeah, you keep telling yourself that."
1. Dean: "Henry you need to understand something. When my dad died, I couldn't save him no matter how bad I wanted to. I never want that to happen to Sam. Ever. If there's a chance that I can save him, I'm gonna do it. He's my brother; he's the only family I've got."

Eye-Rollingly Bad Dialogue / Lines Better Left Out:

7. Sam: "Our father taught us how to be hunters." Henry: "You're not are you? Hunters? Well hunters are….hunters are apes. You're supposed to…you're legacies."
6. Lady: "How rude. You haven't finished your tea Sam."
5. Dean: "Kind of makes you wish he knew the truth huh? I mean all those years thinking his old man ditched him, when the poor SOB really came here and saved our bacon. Freaking time travel man."
-Not sure how Henry being the person who let Abaddon into the present day world equals him coming to the future to save their bacon. "Their bacon" wouldn't have needed saving if Henry hadn't brought the problem there in the first place.
4. Henry: "You're also Winchesters. As long as we're alive, there's always hope. I didn't know my son as a man, but having met you too, I know I would have been proud of him."
-Yeah, yeah I know I'm the only person in the fandom that thought this quote was not only downright cheesy but also vainglorious. Saying your family is the world's only hope is about as cocky and self-absorbed as you can get. Grandpa Douchey to the very end.
3. Sam: "That's a chance we've got to take I guess. I mean we are legacies right."
-Urgh! Legacies? Men of Letters? This vocabulary was ripped off a bad comic book world. Why not just give Dean and Sam spandex and affix the handy symbol to their chests. Glass, your comic book leanings are showing.
2. Henry: "I'm quite certain this is all beyond your understanding, my alpha male monkey friend, and violence will not help you comprehend this any easier."
1. Henry: "I'm aware that time is a delicate mistress, but I'm willing to bet on this being for the best."

2. Dean: "He broke into the trunk. Stole an angel feather. I'm guessing he's going to whip up another one of those blood spells and Marty McFly himself back to the 1950's."
1. Dean: "I'll call Garth."


Say What? Canon-Breaking Dialogue:

6. Dean: "If you do that, then you change the past. Me and Sam might cease to exist."
-And Dean has an issue with this why? In The Song Remains the Same he practically begs Mary to stay away from John and not have Sam or him. The brothers gave their "never being born is not the same as dying" speech.
5. Sam: "I get it now. What Cupid said about heaven busting a** to get mom and dad together. The Winchesters and the Campbells, the brains and the brawn."
-Say what you will about Grandpa Creepy and the Campbell Soup Kids, but they were not stupid. Grandpa Creepy's library of knowledge was better than Bobby's. He knew how to gather an army and lead them successfully. The Campbells were a wealth of information so to insinuate that they were only brawn makes no sense. Likewise, Sam knows what an awesome hunter his dad was and he's admired his hunting skills before. John was as much about the brawn as the brains and many times he was more about the brawn. This brawn vs. brains theme was way overplayed here. More likely the angels were uniting two families with a strong background in the supernatural more than anything.
4. Henry: "I'm beginning to gather I don't make it back from this time do I?" Sam: "We don't know for sure. All we do know is that dad never saw you again." Henry: "What did he think happened to me?" Dean: "He thought you ran out on him."
-Yep, I'm bringing it up. This John didn't know his dad. During In the Beginning John did. Now maybe it was his stepdad they were talking about but I'm still calling retcon. Besides John was 7 when his dad disappeared. That's certainly old enough to know he wasn't a mechanic from a long line of mechanics.
3. . Henry: "Knights of hell are handpicked by Lucifer himself. They were of the first fallen, first born demons." Sam: "So very pure, very strong." Henry: "Legend has it that archangels had killed all of them, which as we have witnessed is not the case."
-So now we have super demons. Why didn't Lucifer reach out to Abaddon and any other archdemons that got away during the Apocalypse? Surely they would have been useful when fighting against archangels. Also if these super demons are first born of Satan that would make Lilith one too. She sure didn't have these nifty powers.
2. Dean: "Look dad had his issues but he was always there for us. I freaking hate time travel man."
-Always is a big stretch there Dean. He was always there for you in Home? What about Faith? The man didn't call when his son was dying. He doesn't get points here. Not to mention, Dean seems to like time travel. He certainly didn't quibble when he got to go back to the west or the 1940's. I'm the one with issues about time travel.
1. Sam: "You tapped the power of your soul to get here. I thought only angels could do that."
-Souls have always been a conflicting business on Supernatural. Now humans can soul power? Who needs angels then? We can all time travel back and fix things anytime we want. Plus apparently humans time travel so much easier than angels do. Henry had a nose bleed. Cas was completely drained.








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31 comments:

  1. Sam is the winner of my favorite quote this week with: "I'll tell you what. When one of us falls out of your closet, then you can ask the questions." You tell him Sam.

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  2. Disappointed no Animal House references with all the talk about "Legacy". A Man of Letters named Kent Dorfman would have been awesome.

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  3. Refreshing to actually have so many lines from Sm for a change, I know Dean's the chatter box but sometimes Sam may as well just not be in a scene if all he's going to do is stand around and make faces.

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  4. Interesting points of view. I'll go with Abaddon didn't help Lucifer because she jumped from 1958 to 2013 and wasn't available to help in 2009. I'll also cut Dean some slack with the dad was always there for us remark. When someone you love dies, you tend to forget a lot of the bad stuff. Plus, Dean was in hell for 40 years so he is really like 74 years old and probably doesn't remember everything.

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  5. I was just happy with the whole ep, picked two from the snarky.

    Henry: "2013. My God. I guess the Mayans were wrong."

    Henry: "Hand me your walkie talkie." Sam: "You mean my phone?"
    Henry: "Even better. Operator, I need Delta 457." Dean: "Who are you
    NOT calling?"

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  6. Need to watch the ep again, but I thought John was 4 when Henry left...did I dream that?

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  7. According to the press release and spoilers he was 7.

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  8. Urgh, forgot about Animal House. Yeah, I don't think that would be better. :-P Well maybe if it took the place of the lame, always used in EVERY time travel episode, Back to the Future reference.

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  9. He's one young looking 74 year old. :-) I think if Cas can time travel, Lucifer could probably get his minions out if he needed them. Basically I think there was a lot of retcon, but not a huge retcon that made me want to throw things at my screen, so that's a plus.

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  10. I enjoyed the snarky comments the most too basically because I thought this one brought the snark back. I laughed and rejoiced at the "boy band" comment. Snarky Dean finally came out to play and I had missed him.

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  11. OK then, guess I do dream about SPN. lol

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  12. This was the first episode of the season that I gave awesome to and that was 99% because it felt like an episode of the 'real'Supernatural, when it was all about the brothers and their family.
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    However as rightly pointed out above, there were a lot of canon breakers.

    I hope that these ret-cons have been done with a purpose in regards to logical future story-lines and they didn't just come about because the writers were too lazy to take the time to check back and see what went on in past episodes.
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    The calling Garth really annoyed me!
    WTH, Sam and Dean are the most expert hunters on the planet and they have to go ask the incompetent Garth for advice, The writers must be joking!
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    However I'll stop here otherwise I'll write too much.
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    Quotes:- One for Dean and one for Sam. :)
    [Henry: "That's the problem with you hunters. You're all shortsighted." Dean: "Yeah well at least we're not extinct."]

    [Sam: "I'll tell you what. When one of us falls out of your closet, then you can ask the questions."]
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    It's just so nice when both brothers get to be the leads together in their own show again and the Winchester family is at the forefront.:)

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  13. What really bugged me about this was that Dean really went to bat for John and Sam was the voice of reason, standing by Henry. But in Season 6's Two and a Half Men, Dean made it clear that he was done being the faithful son by choosing to name the kid Bobby.

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  14. My first thought with the library was the Men of Letters were like Giles and Sam & Dean were like Slayers, but like you I do let a lot of things slide, just having a hard time letting Sam NOT LOOKING for Dean go.

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  15. I have a feeling you stumbled across the ending of the show. . . Lucifer breaking out if his cell and possessing Sam's heir. Though, the part of the heir doesn't necessarily have to happen

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  16. The term "Man/ Men of Letters" is around since 1645 according Merriam - Webster,
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/man%20of%20letters

    Comic books did not come into existence before 1895 with "The Yellow Kid" comic strip, so how is "Men of letters" an comic book term?

    And the for the term legacies, if you know your horror genre, after 4 seasons of "Poltergeist - The Legacy" telling the stories of a gobal operating society of chroniclers of the supernatural, legacies is nothing new.

    Sounds more like Supernatural doing what they always do, adepting "already known fiction" and facts to their universe.


    Can't wait for the next episode the trailer do look promising on the "Men of letters" and "legacies".

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  17. I was quoting parts of Dahne's comments and responding to them. Unfortunately I couldn't figure out a way to better format the post to differentiate between the two than using quotes, so it might be hard to read. The part you are referring to were Dahne's comments, but I said I had similar thoughts while watching the episode. Whether there is historical basis for these terms or not is irrelevant. The new mythology has a comic-book feel to it, and we were both reacting to that. Last I checked we were allowed to post opinions here. Personally I'm not that bothered by it. It's not my taste, but as I said, lowered exectations.

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  18. I guess we just have to agree to disagree on almost everything on season 8, and leave it at that.
    Forgive me that I tried to ask questions about your posting, I won't make that mistake again.

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  19. I interpreted your tone as being defensive when it comes to criticism of season 8. If that was not the case and you were just trying to add to the discussion, then please ignore my comment.

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  20. Well she wasn't thought of at the time though. And he doesn't really care about his demons. It would get a little crazy since he could pull out Azazel,Samhain,etc.

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  21. I agree Lucifer didn't care one iota about the demons who served him but I don't think that necessarily follows that he wouldn't use them to win the war. Superdemons are a retcon to me because of this.

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  22. I felt that this was a classic Supernatural episode too so as long as the new canon doesn't lead into bad places, it will be one of my favorite episodes of season 8.

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  23. It seems like they have reverted to a season 1 stance for both Dean and Sam when it comes to John. It was odd to me but at least it was in character at one point in the series. That's better than a lot of things this season.

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  24. Good points. However, I'm not quite sure what time you are talking about when you call Sam passive. They all ran when Abaddon first appeared. He didn't have time to react before Abaddon knocked him out at Larry's since there wasn't even a full second between when her eyes flashed black and she cold cocked him. In the warehouse, he was tied up with no weapon to fight her and he didn't know what Dean's plan was. Sam doesn't have the same powers he did when he was hopped up on demon blood so I don't see how he could have had knowledge that Larry's wife was Abaddon. He didn't have the information we had and had no way of knowing that Abaddon knew about Larry. After all, she wasn't in the cemetery and he didn't know she could black smoke people. Plus I think they were right to be scared/cautious with a new, more powerful demon they knew very little about. I don't see them getting panicked by a foot soldier demon anymore like they were in early seasons, but even going against Crowley they have to be more careful and Abaddon has powers Crowley has never shown to have. The simple fact that Ruby's knife couldn't kill her put Abaddon on a much bigger scale and in that case, run and research seems like a most prudent response. Sam is not the boy king anymore; he's simply an experienced hunter who knows when to charge and when to retreat.

    As for Winchester children, I agree they should not. For me I have no fear about their children letting out Lucifer and Michael since that needed such a long chain reaction to get Lucifer even out of the cage to begin with. My problem is that they are hunters and John proved that hunting and children do not meld. I don't think either would want to raise their children the way they were raised and neither has found a way to quit the hunting world for good.



    We have to agree to disagree about Bobby, John, and their roles in the Winchester childhood. We come at both characters from opposite viewpoints. As for Lucifer, he was still fighting the angels in season 5. I could definitely see him telling his superdemons to stay away from the Winchesters, but surely he would have used them to take out some angels on the way. Good point about Lilith's powers though. I also agree that this new info depository is very intriguing.


    I too am concerned about the brains vs brawn comments and all the anvils they dropped with it. First it goes against canon given that the Campbells had plenty of brains and like you said, both Dean and Sam have shown both brains and brawn throughout the series. My concern lies in the fact that from season 1 they have made the brothers very well-rounded and this seems like a regression to define them by one characteristic. Flattening their personalities is the worst kind of writing and similar to the brother rift of contrivance that didn't go anywhere this season. It feels like something that could become out of character and anvilicious quickly. I don't ever want Sam to become a Giles-like character either. Both brothers need to have an active role in the actual hunt and I need them working together for a majority of the time.

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  25. I don't think they would ever end the show with Lucifer winning. I see them ending with all the supernatural locked away from coming to earth with these tablets. Then the brothers could spend their time fighting whatever got trapped here or dying together in the final battle to close the final gate.

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  26. Comics may not have originated either term but the phrasing comes off as being very much comic-ish to me. Given that the writer of this episode, who is getting credit for pitching and creating the Henry Winchester story line, is a comic book writer, it makes sense to me that he was using a similar way of expressing himself here. I find both "Men of Letters" and "legacies" to be extra hokey and the dialogue used with these terms to be cheesy and eye-rollingly bad. You may disagree but I think it is overdone.

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  27. fair enough. But I'm talking from a strictly story telling perspective. For example, this episode would be pretty lame if they just called Cas and he just came in and used his smitey powers(Although I'd call Cas over Garth any day, especially if I was more skilled and had more knowledge of crazy stuff than him) I figured the reason Lucifer didn't really use the demons much is due to pride and because he had Death bound. Death makes superdemons seem kind of irrelevant. I think if the boys had to go through all that plus whatever superdemons it would either feel too overwhelming or they wouldn't spend enough time dealing with them making them seem like all hype. Kind of like what they do to pagan gods.

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  28. Just to respond the the Sam part. After everything demons and Lucifer have done to Sam, I want to see more of an emotional reaction and more fight from him when around demons. While I interpreted Sam's powers as being part of him (the demon blood was a way for him to rationalize using, them but not necessary if he could get past a mental block), I'll concede that they appear to be dormant. But I refuse to accept that they are totally gone until the show deals with this loose thread and makes it canon.

    But even without active powers, Sam's physical makeup has been changed by demon blood. He had Lucifer in him. He should know more about demons than any other human in the planet, and he should be super-attuned to them. The smelling them part was at the beginning of My Bloody Valentine, when he had been off demon blood for a while. The heightened sense was probably due to the effects of famine, but still, the connection to demons in him somewhere.

    Yes, I know, I'm being stubborn about this and not letting it drop. To suddenly ignore Sam's connections to demons would be the equivalent of Dean waking up in season 6 and no longer having any trace of daddy issues, or any sign that he ever did have daddy issues (if John was still on the show and we saw regular interaction). I put more blame of Gamble and Singer for dropping Sam's history than Carver, since Carver inherited this. As for Glass, he's never shown any interest in Sam, so this is what I've come to expect from him. But I still say ignoring a character's history is writing them out of character.

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  29. And he did not look for Dean. LOL We both have issues with the way Sam is being written.

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  30. Well it's not necessarily winning, it's the story continuing. I mean, I think it's unlikely that they're gonna kill all the monsters in the world.

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