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Supernatural - Sam and Dean's fantasies end

20 Jan 2013

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I played with the idea over the winter hiatus of doing a sort of mid-season review, but tabled it because I felt I didn’t have enough information yet on what I was seeing. When it appeared Sam’s Amelia story wrapped up this past Wednesday, I drafted out a review of his storyline and had my long list of complaints mapped out. But then a funny thing happened. I rewatched “Torn and Frayed” last night and liked it.

Like a lot of fans, I’ve been critical of the OOC choices Sam has been making this season – apparently not searching much for Dean, dropping Kevin, retreating to normal. I’ve also been critical of Dean – his attitude toward Sam, his hypocrisy with the Amy/Benny situation. And then watching the episode last night, I realized that none of this mattered. Sam and Dean had both in their own way retreated temporarily into a fantasy world. But it was all just a fantasy – not a reflection on who they really were or an indication that their characters were being dramatically rewritten by a new showrunner.

Sam having a fantasy about a life without hunting didn’t mean that he had really forgotten who he was. Deep down he knew where he belonged – hunting with his brother – and he seemed to remember that as he joined Dean on the couch. The fact that he temporarily fantasized about a different life doesn’t change the fact that he’s known he has a different purpose since season 2. This life with Amelia mirrored the fantasy life Sam had at another, simpler time – before he knew about the demon blood and Lucifer’s plans for him – when Sam believed he could really attain a Stanford education and a normal life as an attorney. But his life with Amelia was never a real choice because Amelia never came even close to knowing who the real Sam was.

Dean also was engaged in his own fantasy – a pure world where he had a “brother” who would never disappoint him. Dean’s fantasy was pulled from a similar one in Season 4’s “Sex and Violence.” The fact that this new brother was an apparently reformed monster, who in all likelihood had an extensive body count and was very dangerous when he was off the wagon, and that this brother was teetering dangerously on the edge of killing again, didn’t seem to phase Dean because he was lost in his fantasy. Dean’s fantasy also couldn’t be real because people aren’t perfect. And to quote Bobby, family isn’t supposed to make you feel good.

In all fairness, Carver did warn us that they would be playing with perceptions this season.

Sam and Dean were pulled out of that fantasy this past week. Like in most real-world fantasies, real life intervened. They discovered a real friend (Cas) was in real trouble, and that snapped them back to reality.

Enter the Supernatural
So moving forward, I’m wondering whether the two of them slipping into these fantasies at the same time is a case of an attempt at writing parallels in their stories, or a sign that something supernatural is involved? Does the shadowy figure outside Amelia’s home in 8.1 play a role? Another question is whether we’ve seen the last of Amelia and Benny.

Benny has been hinting to Dean for a while that he’s dangerously close to falling off the wagon, and Dean at some point will realize that a dangerous vampire falling off the wagon means that he’s looking forward to facing a long line of victims’ families.

Sam will remember that when someone in your circle mysteriously comes back from the dead, and you’re Sam Winchester, you need to get out your silver knife and holy water.

It was comforting last night to watch the scene of Sam and Dean on the couch and realize that this is still the same show. Sam and Dean weren’t full of the youthful enthusiasm of the earlier seasons, but they were refocusing on the hunt. It’s a scene we’ve seen before – in the Pilot, and then again in AHBL2, when Sam, and then Dean, said “We’ve got work to do.” The change is that Sam and Dean look a lot older and more worn this time around, but the family business has reopened again.

97 comments:

  1. Thank you for this review. I think I have been trying to say this to all the people getting down on the show, but you are the first to actually put this point across so well.

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  2. Maybe it's because I'm not fully awake yet,but I almost had a heart attack when I saw the title! ; )
    Cool article!It's good to have the brothers on the same page(more or less) again.Now we can move on to the whole deal with the tablets..

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  3. haha. I know, the title is a little provocative.

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  4. The thing is the moral and message of that last scene was not just to break the fantasy, but to incorporate it into the real world. Meaning, Sam and Dean are miserable with just each other and need other people in their lives now as well as each other. And that's the whole point. The desire for something more than isolation is very clear and I'm pretty sure that's Carver's endgame.

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  5. Jesus, almost had a heart attack when I saw the title. I legit thought I was about to find out that the show was cancelled. You owe me a new heart, OP. ;)

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  6. I guess I disagree with this interpretation. Sam and Dean do still have people in their lives. They have Cas. They had Bobby for a while. They still have Garth, Jody, and the people they meet along the way. They're heroes of the story, and heroes usually make sacrificies. Sam is never going to have a completely normal life, and Dean is never going to find perfection in family. But that's real life. I don't have the life I fantasized about when I was a child either, but you deal with what you have and make the best of it.

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  7. Sorry. TBH, I threw up the title really quickly. I expected people would intrepret this article as someone complaining about the show, but I didn't realize people would think the show was cancelled.

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  8. The fantasy ends? Well, so did my heartbeat for a second :D


    That scared me

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  9. No worries, we just have to agree to disagree. Sam and Dean travel all the time, so permanent connections are hard to maintain, but when people directly get involved in their lives, and each of them develops their own circle of friends who associate with them individually, it can carry the entire show. Isolation is a very dangerous message in my opinion (as we saw in season 7) and from the people i talked to most hope that Amelia, Benny, Cas and Kevin stay in their lives permanently. It's having these connections as well as each other that make them carry on and send a positive message. With Bobby's loss they were almost close to giving up entirely. Especially Dean. Where would Dean be without Cas, for example? It's much healthier than just two people on the road facing their doom. Support systems are always necessary. :) But that's just my take on.

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  10. I love the article, but don't think even in a fantasy world that Sam would not have looked for Dean. I am hoping the shadow figure has something to do with that. I keep remembering Carver saying that about perceptions this season and am trying to hang on to that. I have liked most of the eps a lot, and the only thing keeping me from moving this season to my favorite is the Sam not looking.

    I am worried about Benny and don't want Dean to have to kill him, that would be another cross that he would have to carry around, but Amelia, never cared about her. There have been several women I would have loved to see Sam with, she is not one of them.

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  11. I'm thinking we're going to learn that either the angels or demons put some kind of spell on both Sam and Dean to keep them distracted. This show is called Supernatural, so I think we're due a supernatural twist.

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  12. Why didn't Dean just teach Benny how to rob a blood bank or break into a hospital and grab some of their supply as he goes from town to town?

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  13. I will be fine with a spell, just something to keep Sam in character that he has had for 7 years.

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  14. I would love to keep Cas & Benny in the story, but please not Amelia, her story line has been the worst female they have ever had. Most of the time we see Sam with her he looks very sad. Even with the Birthday cake he looked confused, which has always made me think..something is very wrong with Sam.

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  15. I guess I agree with you that Sam should've told Amelia about his life, that was a huge mistake (remember Jess?)
    What I don't agree is that Sam belongs in the hunting world. He didn't really want that life back in season 1, and he still doesn't. He does it because it's the right thing to do at the moment (that's actually what I love about his character). I fully expect him to be a hunter for the duration of the show, but I'd like something for him in the finale of the series that *doesn't* make him miserable. I think this episode highlighted all the ways brothers are different from each other, because Dean thrives as a hunter in all the ways Sam doesn't.
    I would've loved it if they stopped using female characters as a source of angst for Sam, and instead worked a bit on incorporating them into a story a bit better. Not only as a love interest and a plot device, but a character in its own right, a character with agency, independence, someone with a presence on screen that is uniquely theirs (like Jody Mills). I thought they were going down that route with Amelia, but I guess not (although, the season's not yet over, and there's that shady figure you talked about and Don coming back to life in a vaguely suspicious way).
    Dean's fantasy, I think you're right in a sense that he puts too much faith in Benny and basically repeats the same mistake again (as he did with Cas, Sam, everyone else really) -- he puts him on a pedestal and has unreasonable expectations of him, considers him his responsibility. It's a pattern Dean should break as soon as possible. What I don't agree is that Dean's life should consist of him being alone with Sam, because Dean is in dire need of friends (that's why I was so mad that he chose to break it off with Benny, it was ultimately unnecessary, it's hardly the same thing as Sam&Amelia, brother relationships shouldn't be quid pro quo).
    I liked the ending because it highlights the differences between "A Very Supernatural Christmas" and now. This time around they don't have only each other and this forced isolation hurts them both.

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  16. I think they went the wrong route with Amelia, Sam should've told her all about Supernatural and they could've used her as sort of a long distance type of thing, and she could occasionally appear in their lives in MOTW episodes and kick ass. I've said it before, I hate that they use female characters as only a source of angst for Sam or a plot device, I'd like her to be a character in her own right.

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  17. Totally agree with both your posts here. It's nice to see someone watching the show for the show and not to simply complain that it isn't how they would write it. I'm still stunned at how many people are complaining over Carter's direction with the show. After Gamble's two horrible seasons, I've been nothing but pleased with the writing this season.

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  18. Given all the panic over the title - it's pretty misleading - maybe you should consider changing it.

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  19. Good call. I just changed it to make it clearer. Although it's already gone out on Twitter.

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  20. Everyone has different opinions, and what's horrible for one person works for another. That's why it's nice having a board like this where people can share their points of view.

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  21. Amelia would not be what I would call angst for Sam the sl became more about her pov than Sam's nor did I see her as a plot device . The problem is love story's on the show do not fit and we knew that Sam would end up hunting and Amelia unless she turned out to be either a hunter or something else could not be part of Sam's world . Cas and to a point so can Benny what Sam needs is a character that can fit into that world and someone that is a sounding board for him rather than the other way round.


    Dean is not the only one that need's friends Sam is not a island he needs to be able to reach out as well.

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  22. I agree with your comments about Sam.

    Until they give a believable and legitimate explanation for Sam's OOC behavior in regards to not looking for Dean or helping Kevin then the whole season is a write off for me. I just cannot believe anything that happens as a result of that very flawed premise.

    [sarcasm] Lisa and Ben went over so well in the previous seasons. [/sarcasm] What made Carver think a love interest, especially one introduced as so nasty, would be welcomed again?

    If he is truly playing with our "perceptions" then he is dragging it on too long. If what we see is what we get then the show has sunk to a new low.

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  23. But that's just what I was talking about, isn't it? A fully developed female character that is a part of their supernatural world, it's the only way they can have a decent relationship that looks believable. And you're right, Sam needs to have someone too. That's why I had high hopes for Amelia, but she did not deliver. I would've loved Jody as his love interest, but alas, the writers decided that she is supposed to be Bobby's. (That's what bothers me about the writing, they sometimes don't stop to think about the chemistry and how well the actors click, because "Time After Time" showed how well Jody and Sam work together.) If they didn't so forcefully insist on her being the 'motherly type', it would be so much better storywise.
    Regardless of whether you think Cas & Dean are romantic or not, the fact remains that Dean already has a developed and integrated character that loves Dean more than anyone, so the need for another friend/lover for Dean (whether subconscious or not) isn't as big as it is for Sam. I think that was the original intention of Sam's storyline this season (because he spent the last two alone and basically without friends). They failed in a sense that they made him look unsympathetic and made Amelia uninteresting. I actually root for more friendship time with Kevin and Jody, but I don't know if that's in the cards for him. :/ Writers, take notes!

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  24. That's a retcon I can get behind. I've wondered if they had no set plan for the shadowy figure outside the door, and were planning to wait and see how fans reacted to the season before deciding how to use him/her/it. I hope so. If Sam was not under some supernatural influence then I will never reconcile his actions this season with the Sam I've known and loved for seven other seasons.

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  25. Benny learned how to use a cell phone, I would think he could figure out how to get blood without killing. SPN vamps don't compel right, otherwise he could just go to a blood bank and say fill'er up. lol

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  26. That's why I was so put off by the Benny breakup, it just wasn't necessary and made Dean look like crap.

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  27. My take on it is that neither Sam nor Dean have been truly happy being a hunter. We've seen a lot questioning from Dean about his choices in the past few years as well. It's why both of them have been escaping into fantasy. I don't think Sam's and Dean's lives should consist only of each other, but I don't think it does now. Their circle is smaller than that of most people because they're in a dangerous profession and civilians get killed, but they do have other people in their lives. Right now there's Cas, and before that there was Bobby, Ellen, and Jo, and at one time John.

    I think neither Benny nor Amelia were the right choices - Benny because there's a conflict with him being a vampire and Amelia because she's a civilian. Sam and Dean need to focus on the job. It gets back to what Dean said, something like both feet in or both feet out. Anything else gets you killed.

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  28. I know but I suppose I dont see it needs to be a 'female' character for Sam .

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  29. It's not that I have a problem with what you said, I agree fully. I have a problem with limiting **the show** to just Sam and Dean, 5 or 6 episodes seems a bit too much. I hate that they killed everyone and the ones that are still alive are being put on ice. I almost quit Supernatural in season 7 just for that fact alone, I don't want the repeat of that.

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  30. I feel like vampires on this show have been portrayed as having a need to feed on people that transcends physical hunger. Remember what we saw with Gordon and Dean becoming vampires? They couldn't get past wanting to feed on people, and they knew that they would eventually kill. Both were smart enough to get access to extra blood if that was the only issue.

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  31. I suppose it doesn't need to be female, but I feel like the show is lacking in strong female characters that *aren't* evil and irredeemable OR just a plot device. I wish that the writers were brave enough to not care about the vocal "just the brothers" fans who want self-sufficient female characters out of the show as soon as possible. The best romantic storylines are the ones that develop out of chemistry between the actors and NOT because the writers decide to stick two people together. And for that, you need a fully developed character that's in the show longer that a few episodes.

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  32. Season 4 is my favorite season, but if the Sam problem gets solved without ruining his character then, 8 could move into my favorite. I have really enjoyed every ep, not counting Bitten in this. I loved the eps that Carver had done in other seasons and am counting on him to not screw this up. ;)


    My favorite female that Sam has liked was the one in Provenance, Sara I think her name was. She was beautiful and made Sam smile, which is always a good thing. Jared has a smile that lights up a room.

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  33. Well, Benny was killed sometime in the 40s, right? It makes sense that he would be confused with technology and anything modern, so it makes sense that he has trouble breaking into places and getting the blood.

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  34. Ooh I loved Sarah. One hit wonder, for sure. My other favorites are Madison and Jody Mills, even though she's forced as a motherly figure for Sam (I hate it so much, they had so much chemistry and she's not that old, to be honest). Kim Rhodes is awesome altogether, I wish they'd bring her back, at least for an episode or two.

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  35. I don't understand so many SPN fans that think if Dean has a male friend they need to start kissing or jump into the sack together. Can't you just have a FRIEND without having it sexual?? What did Dean say about the slash fans and Sam and Dean being brothers? Don't remember the quote, but I sure agreed with him.

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  36. About Dean -- he's different hunter from Sam because he takes pleasure in saving people, while Sam was always motivated by something external. That doesn't make it any less important, just different. That's why I can see Dean continuing hunting, even when there's nothing big or important at stake, while I see Sam settling down eventually. (NOT during the course of the show, obviously, but sometimes after the series finale)

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  37. I also hated they made Jody out to be a mom figure, they were great together...maybe be his cougar. lol I wanted Jo to stick around with Dean, they also had great chemistry together.

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  38. Did not take him long to buy a cell phone and learn to use it.

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  39. Of course it doesn't have to be sexual, but I *personally* think Cas & Dean's relationship reads more as romantic than platonic. Even when you disregard the cliche of angel falling for a human, they are written almost as a love story, especially when you go through the sentences and scenes that are written for them. It's noticeable when you compare Benny and Cas, Benny is more of a comrade and a proper friend, while things with Cas seem more intimate and delicate. Of course, that's my interpretation of the canon, you are free to disagree. It's not about 'jumping the sack' and more about love for me, but certainly not 'just friends'.


    Please, I don't want to argue, so let's just agree to disagree upfront and respect each other's opinion? I base my interpretation in their canon relationship, I don't think it's less valid than yours.


    ((Dean said "Don't they know we're brothers?"))

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  40. I loved Dean and Jo at first, but then they made it more of a sibling, little sister type of relationship, which put me off. :/ But they certainly had more chemistry than with Lisa, who was just thrown in the mix for the plot, imho.

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  41. Well, yeah, as I said, I don't like the way that storyline went, so I'm making reasons and excuses for it.

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  42. I agree with most of what you had to say except for the Amy/Benny comparison. If Dean stayed in Benny's life, Benny would make it. Other than self-defense with Martin, Benny has stayed on blood, but not humans. Dean understood that, but Sam was seeing Amy...who did kill and would kill again. That's different.

    Both of them had a dream...for a while it was the same dream. Dean wanted normal as bad as Sam. He couldn't have it. When he saw what happened with Lisa and Ben, he dropped it fast. I am glad that Dean did the text to protect Sam and Benny. It brought Sam face to face with his dream/fantasy and he realized it could not become real.



    Carver has to let the boys have more in their lives. Maybe they can't have the reality they want, but there have to be friends and girlfriends out there in the real world who are a part of the hunting community or otherwise, who could handle what the boys do. I think they should bring Sarah Blake back into Sam's life. It's harder for Dean. As far as I can tell, he's maybe loved three times. Carrie wanted no part of it, Lisa now knows nothing and she wanted no part of it any longer, and Jo is dead. There has to be someone.


    I still think that somewhere out there we will find a cause behind all of this. I am not sure who it is. There were hints at one time of an enemy from season one. Who knows.


    The exuberance is gone, they are tired, but they are together where they belong. For that, I am grateful. I only hope that Carver doesn't remove their last real friend, Cas.

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  43. I do not disagree with the strong female characters however after Amelia and in the context of the story regardless of our own personal feelings about the two together she was someone Sam saw as the woman he loved. IMO to give Sam another female character that at some point he falls in love with makes it look as if Sam just jumps from one relationship to another.


    That is why I would prefer something different for him but that is my own personal feelings.

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  44. Funny, but my interpretation of at least the earlier seasons is almost opposite. I saw Dean being the "hunting things" part of the equation and Sam being the "saving people" part. Dean seemed to get excited by the hunt whereas Sam was the first to reach out to the victim and comfort him or her, hence the puppy-dog-eyed reputation. I think Sam has come to accept that saving people is his way of atoning for his mistakes and his monster side.

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  45. Thank you for your interesting article.

    I had been wanting to comment about the future of SPN, now that Fringe has ended, because I have always seen a lot of similarities in both shows, and have been comparing them during the last two years. Fringe has had some problems since last season, but during the final season it has been perfect, I believe, to have Peter situation with his child mirroring Walter's situation with Peter (and then even Donald), so that the main story of the show gets reflected in multiple ways.

    I've been remembering a SPN fanfiction story that I read a couple months ago. And I really beleive the idea presented by that author was totally brilliant, so that I would really enjoy to see something similar in the actual show (even if it would be impossible to do the exact same thing, of course). I'm beginning to think the showrunner and the writers' team are never going to give us anything better than that story.
    It was a crossover with Dark Angel, so that Dean and Sam (being around thirty) meet young Ben and Alec (when these two were around 9 or ten years old) and discover they have been cloned form Dean, so they decide to take care of the twins as two little Wichesters (as their little brothers, but with a parents-children kind of relationship). The two kids are so messed up that there is no choice to leave them with normal families so that they wouldn't be involved with the hunting life, they are already freaks (even monsters you would even think) and they have also been trained as warriors; they develop also a close relationship as two brothers. This situation offered a lot of beautiful occasions for Dean and Sam to reflect about their lives, how their father treated them and how they would need to trat these guys. The whole story offered a real challenge to Dean ans Sam and brought them together in a new way, offering a larger nuclear family for them to develop. It was also great that they did have Bobby around to help them with those two brats.
    This is the link if anybody wants to read it:
    http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5021619/1/The-Wellspring
    So, I know I'm not commentng on Benny/Amelia here, I really hope that the writers give these stories a good end, even if it doesn't seem plausible. I'm just stating that I would really like that our hunters could be offered a more rewarding kind of life, and there are other possible things to explore out there.

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  46. If you're talking about Jess, I personally think it's about time to move on from that relationship, especially since I see lots of idealization a la John Winchester in it.
    It's just that Amelia probably isn't it. :/

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  47. I'm not saying that Sam lacks empathy (because, as you pointed out, it's obviously not true). It's about motivation, calling. Sam was always motivated by necessity, had certain goals, while Dean hunted for the sake of hunting, he truly believed it was his job.

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  48. Sam does not need a female character it is simple as that. And after Amelia and being the love of Sam's life I do not think it is necessary to impose another female character on Sam that at some point he has a relationship with . He can have a character that is male and be a friend it is obligatory to be a woman.

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  49. I was talking about after the Don't they know we're brothers...he said something like that is gross, or weird, something else was said. Just don't have time to pull the DVD out and check. ;) What ever it was I agreed.

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  50. That kiss was anything but sisterly and with the chemistry they had it could have worked into something great.. Real love takes time to grow, otherwise I think it is just lust. Been there, done that. lol

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  51. That is what I have been doing for the Sam story this season, trying to find anything to account for his NOT looking for Dean.

    I was watching some of the other seasons and thought WOW, Jared can really look evil when he wants to. I love his acting, but dang let Jensen get a tear in his eye and I am lost. Even when he is not playing Dean, was having a Dark Angel marathon and some very good eps showcasing Alec.

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  52. "They do know we're brothers, right?"
    "Doesn't seem to matter."
    "Oh, come on. That... That's just sick. "



    Well, I agree with you in a sense that I'm completely against incest between the brothers (and Dean is, too, obviously), but I see no issue between Cas & Dean. Incest and same-sex relationships shouldn't be equated. In my opinion, platonic relationships aren't necessarily better than romantic ones, also romantic relationships don't negate the friendship. :/ Just my two cents.

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  53. Ugh, I know what you mean, I love Jared, he's sooo good as ambiguously evil, and his sex scenes are smoldering HOT! Also, he's comedic gold, I'm sorry he got stuck with this drama :/
    I'm not happy with Sam's storyline, my excuses for him are: "What's dead should stay dead, I've never should have been brought back.", but it's thin and the writing for it was shoddy, they could've made him more sympathetic and... I don't know, just something other than what it is. :(

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  54. Thanks that is the line I was thinking of.

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  55. Well, I agree, Sam doesn't need another female character (I'm still waiting to see what are they going to do with Amelia). What I meant was that **the show** needs more female characters. They had some strong ones, but they chose to kill them all off (Ellen, Jo, Bella, Anna, even Hester showed some promise and was promptly killed off in the very same episode...)
    At the moment, we only have Charlie. (Jody disappeared God knows where and Kim Rhodes wasn't approached for more episodes -- it means no Jody this season. Amelia is kind of meh at the moment, also she's not important to the main story.)

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  56. the problem is that the argument doesn't hold if people actively ask for representation. male/female is automatically assumed to be a love story. hardly any show pulls of female/male bodied relationships on just a friend level, because people immediately say, they are in love. and male/male is incredibly underrepresented as a romance. The thing is. it isn't a fetish. I mean I know how people often conflate perversion with chemistry, but when people genuinely see chemistry they want that to be explored, I guess. And most people I talked to don't want porn, but simply love. and that's the beauty of it. spn gets its fanbase a little bit wrong imo. but this article isn't about shipping anyway. :)

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  57. I actually hope Sam gets more male characters as friends. it's ridiculous that he doesn't have anyone.

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  58. We have sen him sucking plasma bags in two different episodes. He clearly has no difficulty getting his hands on packaged blood, as opposed to the on-the-hoof variety.

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  59. Your point about this being the end of fantasies, rather than OOC characterization is brilliant, and an idea that really goes far to satisfy my own discontent with how Sam is written this season.
    The only two points I don't agree with is the inevitability of Benny's fall and therefore that Dean was wrong to trust him - you agree with Sam's POV here and I don't think the writing backs that up. Sam thinkas that because he doesn't know Benny, but as of now, Benny is trustworthy, and until he does fall, Dean was right to trust him.
    I think Carver means to keep Benny in the picture, because his struggle is so compelling. If they go the typical SPN route of having Benny fall and Dean kill him, for typical drama, I'll be disappointed.
    And second, to me that final scene of the brothers on the couch, was depressing as hell. I am first a brother fan. I want SPN to return to the love they used to have, and not keep tearing it apart for cheap fake drama. But that last scene made them look so freaking miserable, I wanted them to chose the fantasy. It just feels so hopeless, and I'm sick of watching them wallow in misery.
    But I just love the way you saw this episode and for the most part I agree.

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  60. I would agree with everything but yet again in a Dean fans argument that Dean needs someone outside if Sam you have a completely ignored how isolated Sam is outside of Dean. Sam doesn't have friends, he doesn't have a Cas or anyone else.


    Sam needs people outside of Dean and thats the one good thing that the Amelia storyline represented. Though even that didnt exactly give Sam an ally or a sounding board.

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  61. I agree with that, too. (I actually wrote about *exactly that* already in response to someone else, if you scroll down.) I guess that I tend to view things more from Dean's perspective (since I'm primarily a Dean fan), but that doesn't mean I don't want the same thing for Sam. :)

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  62. I agree Dean is more about about the 'hunting things' he takes pleasure from that, he thrived on that in Purgatory. The pureness of just being able to kill a monster and not worrying about the morality or the saving.


    Sam doesnt thrive on the hunt, he sees too many shades of grey it makes the whole thing very unappealing and unfun for him, what he does thrive on is the saving part. He always wants to save people. One of the reasons he latched on to someone like Amelia was because he recognised that she needed saving and I think he has always maintained that in saving others he is able to save himself too.

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  63. You could say that Dean only hunts because he doesnt think he can do anything else, that he started out as hunter to be like his father, to be a hero? These are all things that have been presented to us over the years.

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  64. male or female, Sam just needs someone outside of Dean. It doesnt need to be a romantic relationship/connection. It just needs to someone as fully fleshed out and involved as Cas is.

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  65. which is actually one of my biggest issues with Sam and Amelia, now what? Does this mean Sam can now never have another relationship with a female for the rest of the series or does it mean Amelia will be back and have to either be killed to release Sam so the fandom don't have a hissy fit if he tries to move on or do the writers bring Amelia into the hunting world?

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  66. Definitely, he started as "daddy's blunt little instrument", but that changed over the years as he learned to let go of his downright unhealthy need to be what his father wanted him to be. That's basically Dean's emotional arc over the years --- how to become his own man (without defining himself through John anymore). I genuinely believe he'd find happiness in the hunt eventually.
    **NOT right now**, though. I think he's just as broken as Sam is. His whole story this season *is not* healthy. He's still stuck on the thought that he is only good for one thing, killing and slaughtering, that his only worth comes from being able to take care of people, everything is his responsibility, that his personal wishes have no place in all of this. :/
    What you said about Sam, it was spot on, because I don't think he'd last long in the hunting business if he didn't have the intrinsic need to empathize and comfort people he saved. I'd compare it to doctors --- some heal people because they love medicine and the science part of it all and learn to detach themselves personally, others do it to save and comfort people, even though they don't love the job as such (I've seen both personally). Both can be just as good at their jobs, yet the approach is different.

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  67. I disagree that it makes Dean look like crap. For me Benny was using Dean as a crutch, he kept calling on Dean whenever he needed/felt the urge so that Dean could be his 'blood sponsor' and I think for Dean he knew that Benny was a distraction he didn't need. If Benny cant keep his nose clean by himself then he never will, Dean can not be around to hold his hand every time Benny has the urge.

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  68. I think JC said all the storylines are connected, so I wonder if that means that Cas's mind control, Benny getting Dean out of Purgatory and Don suddenly coming back are all connected? The angels need Sam and Dean for whatever reason and they need Cas to help control/keep an eye on them?

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  69. That's my main issue with Amelia and their tendency to kill or write off Sam's girlfriends/friends. They never follow through, they write them as an accessory/plot device/angst fuel, and when that ultimately fails, the only "resolution" they seem to be able to muster is ***to kill them off***.
    I wish they'd written Amelia as someone who's part of the hunting world, so we wouldn't have this discussion. :/ (JODY Mills! I'm still crying at the lost potential, to be honest... ;_; )
    I noticed that they seem to be writing more Sam & Cas scenes? Don't get me wrong, I love their friendship, but it was always more of an awkward type of thing and I loved that. I'd actually love Sam to have a friend who has nothing to do with Dean, *shrugs* I kind of like the dynamic he has with Kevin, but he's just so young, I don't know...

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  70. This perspective actually helps me a lot, thank you. Dean shouldn't be put into the position of a caretaker once again. I would've loved Benny as a sporadic, reluctant ally, though. This drama was unnecessary.

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  71. I definitely get the "need to feed". I just think Dean could have made it easier on himself by at least making sure Benny could survive on plasma sippy cups. Then if bodies start to drop, he knows. And maybe that's the key to Purgatory being "pure". You are what you are. And it's okay. Benny is a vampire, Dean will do whatever it takes and Cas is just plain governed by others.


    Just a thought.

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  72. I don't know, to me it's not ok, because it's just the opposite of what I want from all three characters. I want Benny to fight his inner monster (b/c he was ready to do that once before and actually died for it), Dean to find the balance between his hunting core and humanity (b/c he's at the brink of losing it altogether), and for Cas to regain his agency and free will (b/c that's the reason he fell in the first place).
    Just a thought - they brought them all down to their lowest points, maybe to bring them up again? I certainly hope so. (for Sam, too)

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  73. Huh. my first, knee jerk, reaction to your interpretation of the first part of this season was that it made me hate everything we've seen this season. I think your fantasy interpretation is really very interesting. And it does fit what we've seen so far this season. I think it's the conclusions I have a problem agreeing with.


    I think the crux of it is something has always been a bit of a pet peeve and that the idea that to refocus on the hunt their characters have to reset in a lot of ways. It's like what the characters have been through in the past seven seasons never affected them. It's a state most series prefer to strive for but that is, IMHO, very limiting and to do it in an honest way, the characters have to be allowed to change and grow.


    For me these issues are not solely about this season. (I'm not really certain I'm going to make much sense here but I'll give it a shot. :-) Having both brothers accept that they must focus on this hunt is something they need to do. They hunt together. They're not a formidable apart as they are together.


    I was never a fan of deleting Lisa and Ben from Dean's life or the canvas. Lisa knew all of Dean. She even recognized that cutting off half of who he was (the hunter) made him unhappy. When it came back, she let him go. I really wish the writers had allowed for the room to let them live on the canvas even if primarily between episodes. The difference between that relationship and Sam's relationship with Amelia is that, as you say, she never knew the real Sam. I think that's why I hated having to surrender any episode time to her. That relationship had no hope of becoming anything but short term. It was doomed so I jumped for joy when Sam gave it up. He wasn't giving up anything real. Fantasy is the perfect word to apply to it. My other problem with the Sam/Ameiia relationship was the fact that it illustrated a basic lack of growth in Sam's character that I really hoped we'd get by now. Sam, we've learned, spent most of his life trying to run from being a hunter. That's where he was when the show started....and by running away to the relationship with Amelia he made no changes. He'd learned no lessons over the first seven seasons of the show. He spent the first part of the season *almost* learning it again. And that's a big reason why I have not found his story so far in season 8 very interesting. The other reason being that, ultimately, the fantasy was boring.


    Dean, this season, has reverted to some of my least favorite traits. But I've been able to write some of it off as PTSD. I think your description of Dean's relationship with Benny as being in some ways a fantasy is apt...and a very interesting interpretation. Loyalty has has always been one of Dean's most important qualities...and the idea that he has to dump Benny in order to refocus on the hunt seems to go against that fundamental character trait. So I can't say that that final seen was in anyway comforting for me. I was irritated with Dean's place at the end of the ep. Once again Dean was heartless (as he was to Cas at the end of season six - another element I was annoyed with) and dumped a friend who didn't fit perfect. And after all he's been through I wanted better. As for Sam, I only felt relief. I wish that they'd given Sam something real to fight for. That would have made the declaration that he was quitting believable and worth the confrontations that occurred in the episode mean something.

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  74. Thanks for the feedback! Let me explain more about my view on the Benny part. There were two points during that last episode when I felt that strongly that Sam and Dean weren't acting like Sam and Dean, but were instead in a fantasy, or denial. With Sam it was when he went along with Amelia's plan for both of them to choose. I was thinking, "Sam, you can't let Amelia make that decision without telling her who you are and what's at stake, and you know that." And I think even though Sam was still in his fantasy at that time, that thought did register in some place in his back of his mind, and that thought gradually worked it's way to the surface.


    With Dean and Benny, Benny has been calling Dean and telling him that he's having trouble staying clean. And with Benny, we're not talking about an alcohol or drug relapse that will mostly just hurt himself. If Benny falls of the wagon, innocent people will be killed. And I believe Benny was watching a family with children when he made that call for help to Dean. I think Benny wants to stay straight, and it doesn't bother me that Dean sees shades of gray, but I've felt all season that there was something off about Dean's decision-making process. Dean's a hunter, and when Benny disclosed that he couldn't trust himself to stay clean, that should have been the trigger when Dean decided he needed to take Benny out. Like in the Sam example, maybe that thought did form in some part of Dean's mind, and that thought it gradually making its way to the surface over the course of the episode.


    I felt like Dean, when he gave Sam the "feet in" speech, was listening to himself and realizing that he's not feet in either when he's protecting a vampire who he knows deep down is a potential threat. Just like I think too much of Sam to believe he would let Amelia leave her husband for him when she's unaware of the baggage Sam brings, I think too much of Dean to think he would really ignore the signs that Benny is a threat and let innocent people get killed.

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  75. Thanks for commenting. I can't agree that I would ever want clones on Supernatural, but it's good to hear other opinions.

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  76. I agree with Rhaenyss. This episode made it look like Dean was ditching a good friend who was right in the middle of a crisis. That isn't Dean and I think it's been made clear that Benny is indeed his friend not just a distraction. In general it looks like Sam made an ultimatum, Dean made his choice and Benny got screwed. When Benny starts taking lives and the Winchesters have to kill him it is going to be the blame game all over again with the fandom split into taking sides.

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  77. With Sarah, I don't feel like Sam ever knew her. She seemed nice enough, but any relationship would take time to develop. Honestly, at this point, I'd really like it if the show concentrate on just kicking up the action on the mytharc a little. While relationships and character development is interesting, and usually something I've very much in favor of, at this point I feel like this show has been on a slow burn for slow long that I'm anxious for some real action. I would be in favor of new characters if they help move things along though.

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  78. Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for commenting.

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  79. Your first sentence made me laugh. Yeah, I've been having a lot of issues with this season, but for some reason I found the idea that maybe they'd just had enough, or they were under some supernatural influence, and just slipped into a fantasy for a while comforting. It is very human to lose persepective for a while. I think I was just so relieved to feel like we got Sam back at the end.

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  80. And you shouldn't expect any less out of the characters/writers. That's my only take on what they meant by saying Purgatory was pure. It made you more of what you already were. But I wonder (at least with Dean's storyline) if it can, or even should happen this close to the end of the road. I wonder if Carver has the endgame worked out and is working backward from there.

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  81. He *did* say he has a three seasons worth of story, so he might be planning all of this in advance. There's something interesting I've read somewhere else about Carver:

    “It seems odd that, of the three who broke out of Purgatory, Dean is the only one who is doing at all well, and who has been stuck supporting the other two as a result. I especially don’t trust this because Jeremy Carver and his wife played out a similar dynamic in Being Human last season with the three housemates and the one who seemed to have it (improbably) together the most, who had a lot of odd things not adding up, was the one who exploded quite suddenly into something terrifyingly other than okay.”

    I desperately need some resolution for Dean, even if it means complete breakdown, because he's the resident "Ima shove all this crap inside." guy.

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  82. That's interesting. Never noticed that but going to have to keep an eye on it.



    Good catch!

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  83. Are you trying to freaking kill me with that title??? Jeezzz...

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  84. So did I...not a good feeling

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  85. Sorry. I didn't really think that headline through before I posted it, and once it was out there there was no way to pull it back.

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  86. See this is my concern. The way it has been done and something goes wrong with Benny Sam is in the firing line because it is already being seen as Sam made Dean abandoning Benny . They cannot have Dean call Benny a brother without consquence's or Benny is a better brother without consquence's for Sam. I wish it had been done differently so it looked less like Sam had given Dean a ultimatum and we had more of Sam's feelings on his pov.

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  87. I so agree with you!
    They had Bobby who was like a second father to depend on but they lost him (stupid move from the writers since I really liked Bobby).
    They have Castiel who is here and there sometimes minding his own bussiness and issues (with the new Naomi threat).
    Garth also minds his own hunting bussiness.
    I don't think Jody Miles is THAT of a friend, more like a support but now she's nowhere to be found seeing she's only a mere human.
    Kevin and his mum ain't that much of help since Crowley is on their ass 24/7 and they have to hide them.
    So the brothers do really need new friends. A friend for them doesn't in fact need to be a hunter or have special powers but someone to depend and get really well on. (That's why I want Benny on the show.)

    For the whole romantic part (because the Sam-Amelia thing didn't work out) writers need to add a FEMALE HUNTER, the only person who can cope with the brothers' lifestyle. (I would love to see a reccuring female hunter make an appearance in the series)

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  88. Devil's Trap. In my time of Dying, Everybody Loves a Clown. 2/3 of a great morning although Clown had some decent brother moments in it and the first appearance of Ash, Ellen and Jo.


    Wonder what it would have been like if Grey's Anatomy had a slightly different shooting schedule and JDM was available for 6-7 episodes a season.

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  89. I think if Benny were just a distraction, it really wouldn't be an issue. The problem is that Benny's nature is a predator, and he's having trouble staying clean - and he's told Dean this several times. I get that Dean considers him a friend, but Bobby was a friend too. But as soon as ghost Bobby started looking like he wasn't in control of himself, Sam and Dean were in agreement that he needed to be put down. Cas was also a friend, but as soon as he became a threat, Sam (with the angel sword) and Dean (with binding Death) tried to kill him. In both cases, they didn't wait until after there were dead bodies. They are hunters first, and they both do what needs to be done. That's why Dean's actions this season seem so off to me.

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  90. I think it is a valid concern because as soon as they have to kill Benny this issue is going to come up. Both brothers are going to get flack for it and there will be a good case against them both.

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  91. Dahne, are you ditching the favorite quotes from eps? Been watching for it.

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  92. a female hunter? oh that turned out well in season 7 right? oh wait she died. they can not get close to anyone because they get killed off this is the sad part of this show.

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  93. Yeah that was actually something that seemed to jump out to me after Sams "not looking speech" that someone....possible those damn manipulative angels again........messed with the Winchesters minds to keep them away from the tablets/Crowley/Kevin thingy. Especially since we now know that there is an tablet that keeps angels in heaven (yesss!!!!).

    Of course it would be nice to have some "proof" or "facts" to feed this suspicion.....but maybe after 10 episodes out of 23 it is too early for that.

    So I just hope Carver won't pull another Leviathan act and waits until episode 23 to give some hasty, unsatisfying, half-baked answers 2 minutes before the credits roll.

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  94. I did the favorite scene poll instead. However, I can do both next week since you asked. I might put a quote one up for this week on my blog if I can ever get the recap finished. It's going slowly.

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  95. I wondered if the scene was a replacement, I enjoyed the quotes more and mine for last week was Cas saying It's his serious face. ;)

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  96. "Sam will remember that when someone in your circle mysteriously comes back from the dead, and you’re Sam Winchester, you need to get out your silver knife and holy water."

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    Why the hell did I not even consider this before? Could Don be more than just a normal human now? Since Benny's a Vampire, could Don be part of that boat as well? How crazy would it be if both side stories ended up with a Vampire in them...

    Just throwing out some seriously wild stuff here, but seeing that line in your article sent my mind buzzing.

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