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POLL : What did you think of the Fringe Series Finale?

19 Jan 2013

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185 comments:

  1. actionjunkie19 January 2013 at 02:59

    Holy crap... one of the most satisfying finales ever!

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  2. Jay Gibbs19 January 2013 at 03:01

    Definitely a much better ending than Lost got. I'm OK with this.

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  3. Wilson Crawford19 January 2013 at 03:02

    WHITE TULIP

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  4. LostGorillaz19 January 2013 at 03:02

    I absolutely loved every single second of it.... WooooooooooooooooooW

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  5. LostGorillaz19 January 2013 at 03:03

    omg congratulations to all the cast and crew for a wonderful ending.... I cant stop crying...

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  6. Ben Carpenter19 January 2013 at 03:04

    Dang trolls were just waiting for this poll to come it looks like, there's already a "poor" vote.... which even if not perfect this was no where close to poor.

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  7. MurderMondays19 January 2013 at 03:04

    That ending hit the perfect emotional notes and they certainly didn't skimp on the action either.

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  8. laura334119 January 2013 at 03:07

    I their was so much that i to process,but it think about,

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  9. Taryn Groves19 January 2013 at 03:07

    OMG! I cant stop crying! This was one of the BEST series finales i have ever seen!

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  10. Lewis Cone19 January 2013 at 03:08

    Haven't been that engrossed in a series since LOST and probably never will be again. Both shows will forever be my top 2, fantastic ending to a phenomenal series, it was sad to see it end. See you in another life.

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  11. Aydrian19 January 2013 at 03:10

    Looks like someone needs a few hours to process. ;)

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  12. LostGorillaz19 January 2013 at 03:11

    Want a HUG? I cant stop crying

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  13. Darcy Smith19 January 2013 at 03:12

    The final scene with Peter and the white tulip was magnificent

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  14. Sharon Hamilton19 January 2013 at 03:12

    Beautiful. John Noble is amazing.

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  15. LostGorillaz19 January 2013 at 03:13

    THE most satisfying finale ever

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  16. john holman19 January 2013 at 03:13

    ending was just perfect for me
    best 2 episodes of the season for sure just perfect how things all ended up
    had some good tributes to the past seasons too just amazing actually beat lost i gotta admit the finale actually beat losts

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  17. Pascal21919 January 2013 at 03:15

    Anybody want a hug? I'll be giving hugs to anyone that wants them! Because I have so much feels right now, it was perfect.

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  18. Elen19 January 2013 at 03:17

    I had already loved the end but the white tulip was the perfect ending that made me be able to say it was Amazing.

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  19. Laura N.19 January 2013 at 03:19

    That white tulip slayed me, and Peter's silent "I love you, dad." A perfect finale for my favourite series. Oh, Walter....*sobs*

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  20. DarqueMode19 January 2013 at 03:22

    Oddly, this was a pretty straight forward episode with no big surprises... but it was very good! Much, much
    better than the season finale last year. Whew!

    This was without a doubt the best episode/s of the last two years. So much of last season was rushed at the end, and so much of this season meandered aimlessly, but it all paid off

    Thankfully it was not love that conquered the Observers, that would have ruined the series for me.

    Some of the finale goodies I loved!
    - We got a final dose of Broyles awesomeness.
    - Shout outs to past season Fringe events.
    - Peter and Walter had their father/ son moment.
    - Gene made a cameo appearance.
    - People got their so desired Red Verse closure.
    - Walter calling Astrid by her name as a final good bye.
    - We got a little more backstory on the original 12 Observers.
    - We got to see Fringe Division on the offensive!
    - Weaponized Olivia.
    - White Tulip.


    Walter being a willing sacrifice was expected by most people I know, but there was a very nice symmetry having Donald take Michael through the wormhole that reflected on the Walter/ Peter dynamic explored throughout the series. In the end Walter stepping back in when needed was the perfect circle for not only his character, but for the series.



    This was the first episode of the season where I did not need to debate how to rate it. Pure awesome-ness

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  21. DarthLocke419 January 2013 at 03:23

    Loved it all, except the last 5 mins.

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  22. Mari19 January 2013 at 03:26

    A+ I'm still crying. ASDFGHJHGFDSA So perfect. Thank you writers!!

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  23. CBarrows19 January 2013 at 03:28

    "I, too, attempted the unimaginable, and I succeeded. I crossed into another universe, and took a son that wasn't mine. And since then, not a day has passed without me feeling the burden of that act. I'm going to tell you something that I have never told another soul. Until I took my son from the other side, I had never believed in God. But it occurred to me... that my actions had betrayed him and that everything that had happened to me since was God punishing me. So now I'm looking for a sign of forgiveness. I've asked God for a sign of forgiveness. A specific one, a white tulip.". - Walter Bishop

    Perfect. Ending.

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  24. Ryan Ellis19 January 2013 at 03:33

    Peter and Walter's moment in the lab, Walter's "It's a beautiful name", Gene's return, "strawberry milkshakes", "because it's cool", the Fringe events from Season 1, the White Tulip and Walter stepping into the portal with the boy, bringing everything full circle, taking it all back to Reiden Lake in 1985... There wasn't a scene that didn't move me to tears. What a perfect, perfect ending. Beautiful. Crying. Movie please. Season 6 please, and 7 and 8 and 9 and 10 and can I just live in a fantasy world with these characters please? Maybe in another life... Still crying :')

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  25. LostGorillaz19 January 2013 at 03:50

    It was perfect, in fact there should have been a perfect option

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  26. Ryan Ellis19 January 2013 at 04:00

    In some alternate world somewhere the show got to Season 10 before ending, each season as good as, daresay better than the last, vastly more popular than Lost it was, oh it was top of the ratings every year, John Noble won an Emmy every year for ten consecutive years! The show even spawned multiple spin-offs and lives on in a highly bankable movie franchise!

    In this alternate world the Nielsen system was outlawed over five years ago, replaced by a system that counts iTunes downloads, DVR recordings and gives an accurate view of how many viewers are watching, 30 million every week live in the US alone! And what of an 18-49 demographic? Why there's no such thing! In this universe it has been recognized by ad agencies that people don't immediately become hermits on their 50th birthday, oh no! In fact some studies suggest that people in their 50's at the height of their careers might have even MORE of a disposable income than... unemployed 18 year old's... Shocking!

    However, there is a world where Fringe was cancelled after Season 2, where FOX didn't trust the show's producers and where FOX did not listen to the fans. I must thank FOX for getting this great show to 100 episodes, they truly believed in the show and I now officially forgive them for Arrested Development, Tru Calling, The Lone Gunmen, Firefly, Millennium and Terminator, and I'll always hold out hope that either a) scientists quickly find a way to the awesome 10-season alternate universe or b) that Fringe becomes ridiculously popular on Netflix in a couple years and comes back (yes if it ruins the integrity of the final, come on guys! Let's have a few seasons of the 2012-2015 years!!!)

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  27. CBarrows19 January 2013 at 04:01

    I agree - esp. b/c while I am one of those who now truly enjoys the ending of Lost, when it ended it was more of a "what - I need to watch that again to make sure I like that".

    With this, I knew I loved it immediately. It was a perfect payoff.

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  28. cortexifan19 January 2013 at 04:02

    Epic - That's all I can say through my tears.

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  29. Lissie_Bee19 January 2013 at 04:46

    Absolutely fabulous. Loose ends are tied, characters are happy and safe (how about alt-Olivia and Lincoln? awwww), and we had what seemed to be an endless string of great moments. Astrid's goodbye to Walter (with Jean!) hit me just as hard as Peter's. The reappearance of some of the weird beasties from the series was super cool. I absolutely loved September's conversation with Walter about fatherhood and how he'd come to feel for Michael... though losing him was sad :( And resetting to that moment with Etta in the meadow? Perfection. As was the tulip.


    I could go on and on, but it was altogether a fantastic ending to a fabulous series. I'll miss you, Fringe!

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  30. ShatteredOne19 January 2013 at 04:47

    Truly amazing ending to a truly amazing show. Perfect, as many before have commented, is the only way to describe it. It had everything from action, to callbacks to the shows expansive mythology, to utterly heartfelt moments.

    The things that stand out to me the most are:

    -Walter/Peter's heartwrenching scene where Peter finds out what Walter intends to do, perfectly portrayed by John Noble and Joshua Jackson (side note: screw any award shows that do not nominate John Noble)

    -Walter explaining that having Observers float in the air would be "cool"... which I completely and utterly agreed with

    -Peter's silent "I love you, dad" at the end

    -Olivia crushing the prick Windmark! Awesome moment!

    -Altlivia and Lincoln being together and happy

    -Astrid and Walter's talk while looking at Gene/Jean (never can remember the spelling), love that he called her by her real name, their relationship was always one of my favorites

    -Observers lose!

    -White Tulip... enough said

    The only gripes I have are:

    -I wanted to see Peter/Olivia get hit with a wave of memory of what Walter did to sacrifice himself, although I guess the tape will explain that

    -September dying, although it made Walter have to go, it was the only wrench in what would have made the ending a truly fairytale-esque ending

    -Maybe have Olivia juggle Windmark around using cars as her telepathic hands... too much?

    Immensely satisfying ending to a show that (even before the finale) knocked Lost from my #1 favorite show pedestal. I will miss you Fringe, thank you for the years of amazing episodes and stories and characters.

    Now if you don't mind... I'm going to go find some Cortexiphan so I can go to the alternate universe where there will be 20 seasons of this show!

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  31. majorax19 January 2013 at 04:51

    Loved every second. I have one question though. If the observers never existed, it means September never distracted Walternate when he found the cure for his son. So why is Red Peter still in the blue universe at the end ?? History should haved changed a lot more ? Im I wrong ?

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  32. MeatyStakes19 January 2013 at 04:53

    Just for this reason I had to give it a great instead of an awesome. I mean, it hit all the emotional notes, but that whole deal was a sure thumb to me.

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  33. Darcy Smith19 January 2013 at 04:54

    Don't worry they are making another season of fringe in the alt universe

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  34. LostGorillaz19 January 2013 at 04:55

    Totally agree. Lost got 3 seasons to finish it and Fringe only got 1 Season of 13 episodes and did a much better job of it

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  35. MeatyStakes19 January 2013 at 05:04

    Loved it, but I'm going to get the things that didn't worked for me out of the way first.

    I would have honestly liked a more in depth explanation of how this resets the events to that particular moment in time. If the observers never existed, then Peter would have never ended in the blueverse. At least a handwave about the whole deal would had sufficed, but it was like it was never acknowledged.

    Theme-wise, it was just a beautiful tale of love and sacrifice: of fathers and sons, of mothers filled with pure will, and hufflepuffs that carry on against all odds. It was so emotionally satisfying Walter being grateful for all the time he got with Peter, Donald understanding the love of a father, Olive and Peter resetting the universe to be reunited with their daughter, Astrid and Walter with one of the most beautiful intergenerational friendships. This was the tale of people in a world with weird science, of the unbridled potential of the human mind and above all, of love.

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  36. xiliname19 January 2013 at 05:16

    This is the answer that I saw in another page and maybe, I think that can answer your question:

    "Don’t forget that Walter saved Peter in the ORIGINAL (blue) timeline, and this all happened in the yellow timeline. The paradox was already there – it happened when Peter popped back into existence in Season 4.

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  37. vicmic0819 January 2013 at 05:20

    Such an awesome ending, it was perfect. The white tulip at the end was great, seeing the other side was great, even Walter's sacrafice, as depressing as it was, was great.
    The best part of the episode to me for some reason that brought me to tears was when Astrid showed Walter Gene, and then he told her Astrid was a beautiful name, just so great.

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  38. Leon19 January 2013 at 05:21

    Yes on all accounts and I;m just going to be lazy and agree with everything you wrote (and the ppl in other posts). Got one thing that bugged me:

    "-Olivia crushing the prick Windmark! Awesome moment!"
    Was it really Olivia that did this? What did Micheal mean with that gesture?
    I was thinking either a) ssshh, I won't 'tell' anyone (implying that Olivia might keep her abilities in the new timeline) or b) don't tell anyone

    "-I wanted to see Peter/Olivia get hit with a wave of memory of what Walter did to sacrifice himself, although I guess the tape will explain that"
    I read in Olivia's smile that she knew more about what just didn't happen.

    "-September dying, although it made Walter have to go, it was the only
    wrench in what would have made the ending a truly fairytale-esque ending"
    Would have been happy either way.

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  39. ShatteredOne19 January 2013 at 05:38

    I wasn't entirely sure by what the "ssshh" meant, but I still believe that it was Olivia who crushed Windmark. The electricity being drained, a car being moved telepathically, has Olivia written all over it.


    I thought the same thing with Olivia's smile, perhaps the "ssshh" meant that she would retain her memories of it all and she should keep it quiet? Not sure, but it would have been nice for a little more clarification if they remembered or not. Either way, I'll choose to believe they did.


    True, true. Either way is a happy ending, just one is happier than the other.

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  40. majorax19 January 2013 at 05:44

    Thanks! It makes perfect sense. Both Peter died in the amber timeline. The Peter that appeared in the lake is an anomaly that came from an "earlier version of the universe". The reset only affected the amber timeline...

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  41. MeatyStakes19 January 2013 at 05:57

    Mmmm, it might work. Even if the amber timeline is nothing but the blueverse rewritten, Peter was taken out of existence, making him a paradox and possibly impervious to future re-writings of time.

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  42. João Paulo19 January 2013 at 06:01

    Perfect ending, simple and powerful. I gonna miss the all cast.


    Amazing scenes with Walter, John Noble is brilliant.

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  43. marichan6219 January 2013 at 06:09

    I am SOOOO going to miss my Friday night date with Fringe! Loved the ending and very sad the show is over.

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  44. MeatyStakes19 January 2013 at 06:12

    Okay, since Peter was outside time itself and became a paradox on the amber timeline (which is the blueverse just rewritten) it means that he is a third Peter, since both blue and red are dead. So he couldn't be changed by this new rewrite.

    But you are right, red Peter SHOULD be alive in this final timeline redverse-side because there was not September to distract Walter. Blue Peter did die nonetheless, but the Peter we have is a paradox byproduct of the machine; even if his disappearance was product of Observer tampering, he was put outside the linear progression, thus becoming sorts of invulnerable.

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  45. SAMURAI_ex_ninja19 January 2013 at 06:42

    I cried, I was so sad! It was an amazing finale, and Peter and Walter and the white tulip just broke my heart, I miss them already! I'm satisfied with how it ended, obviously not perfect, but about as close as it could get given the situation. I kind of wish they had one extra season because it could have been used to fill the ENORMOUS gap between seasons four and five, but I'm still satisfied. I guess that's what our imagination is for.
    I'm so glad I got to be a part of this great community and I know for a fact that I will never forget how this show affected me. I came into it mid season three, and it feels like only yesterday I was thinking "Wow! This show is amazing!". I don't know what I'm going to do with myself on Fridays anymore...
    Fringe, you will be missed.

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  46. Sasha Jones19 January 2013 at 06:43

    nice idea off 'shh', that it means there was enough cortexiphan to retain her memories and shhh about them.
    i assumed it meant 'wait' both times he did it. it gave pause for astrid to think of an idea, and allowed a moment for donald to get the boy.

    either way, i like ur interpretation.


    having said that i loved the episode, i felt it emotionally did everything right, but lacked something, surprises i suppose. i guessed a decent chunk of it including that the tulip was in the letter (as soon as they mentioned the idea of a letter.) lots of the ep was 'cool' as walter would put it, but eh... something very very small was lacking for me.
    never the less, it was fantastic to have a real finale to a great show. and i enjoyed the ride. :)

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  47. DarqueMode19 January 2013 at 06:54

    I took Michael's "Shhhh" as him telling Olivia that everything will be okay.... I kept trying to think of some other reason behind it, but none sound any better to me. Maybe someone else will come up with the reason....

    Most of them know he has powers (if he was responsible for the light's out and Windmark splattering) and on top of that he was not going to be sticking around so I'm not sure what it would matter if Olivia told anyone. Personally I thought Olivia powering up caused the black out and then she gameboy'ed that truck into Windmark anyway.

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  48. magnutude19 January 2013 at 07:13

    One word for me: Magnificent.... I'm just a puddle right now and will have to rewatch a few dozen times and process before I can make a better review... hell, nope, Magnificent will have to suffice....

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  49. Natascha ♡19 January 2013 at 07:24

    …The Last Episode

    …The Last Fringe Friday

    …The Last of a wonderful and amazing Journey

    …The Last Goobye.

    Thank You Cast & Crew for all your input and energy for
    bringing us the Best Show Ever. It was such a great and amazing roller
    coaster adventure.

    *HUG*

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  50. Absit Invidia19 January 2013 at 07:35

    awww. i cant believe its done... I'm gonna try past to an alternative universe. if here its 5 season in the other one must be 10 season. if i cant, i'll reset time then, and watch it again. loool.
    just one word: FANTASTIC!!!

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  51. TayaP719 January 2013 at 07:43

    I can't, I just can't stop crying.
    I knew it, since the moment Peter watched his tape, that the ending will be he recieving a white tulip - but holly shit, it was magnificent!!
    They amazed me in every way - they managed to bring so many callbacks from previous seasons, a whole stack of emotions, action, a natural conclusion to the characters. They explaind us how the plan worked, that Walter got his redemption, and Peter an Olivia their happy ending, but still left us so much room to theorize nad imagine what happened, to put the pieces together.
    There's so much to process, but I'm looking forward to doing that - it was an astounding ride!!

    One more thing: At the end, when Peter recieved his letter, and the way he looked up - does anyone happens to think he remembered the whole Observer invasion?

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  52. ShatteredOne19 January 2013 at 07:50

    That is a good thought on the meaning of the "shh." I did think of that with Astrid getting the moment of silence to think of her idea, but I hadn't thought of it giving a moment for Donald to get to Michael. As you said, either way, I like your interpretation.

    While I may have enjoyed it more than you did (not to say you didn't enjoy it or that your opinion is wrong in anyway), I do agree that most of the finale was pretty straightforward with no twists. I figured September/Donald would die in the final fight, forcing Walter to have to leave, but I was hoping it wouldn't be. Surprisingly, with my great twist-guessing abilities, I did not see the white tulip at the end happening until we were at the end.

    Still, I loved the finale, and I even loved this season, hell I just love anything Fringe related. Could it have used a bit more twists or suspense, sure, but the emotion and everything that it had, in my mind, more than made up for the lack of twists

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  53. ShatteredOne19 January 2013 at 08:11

    I kind of took Peter's look at the end as a... wait a minute... like he might actually be remembering the Observer invasion. And if not then, then certainly when he watches the tape.

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  54. TayaP719 January 2013 at 08:26

    Yeah, that's what I think - that he did remember his talk with Walter, and the invasion after that. I think that they could remember it, especially with Peter receiving the tulip, and the way Olivia looked relieved when Peter caught Etta. That little detail makes the finale even more special, at least for me.

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  55. Dor Fiderer19 January 2013 at 08:36

    So... If Walter saved the world from the observers and the reset was fulfilled, how come he doesn't exist? And if he doesn't exist, how was the letter sent? If "nature abhors paradoxes" then why would it create more paradoxes? Why would Walter must go with the boy and not someone else? Why would Walter be erased anyway? Why was the boy implying Olivia not to talk? I really can't understand why everyone is so satisfied, I feel there are lot of questions after this finale that doesn't make sense, and moreover, there hasn't been any closures with more important stuff from the show's saga than the white tulip - Olivia's family she didn't bother to visit the whole season, Charlie Francis we haven't seen for 2 seasons (he could have taken part in the other side's scenes and they could restore completely the breach scene), William bell's disappearance last season and more!

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  56. ShatteredOne19 January 2013 at 08:38

    I agree with you, the little details make it special. On one hand I would've loved it if they definitely said that they remembered, but the subtle smile of Olivia and Peter's look at the end also leave enough for us to wonder and hope that they do remember.

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  57. Sasha Jones19 January 2013 at 08:47

    i think that was it, not as many 'twists'. i love fringe because it always continues to surprise me, however the final didnt do that as much. there was nothing truely wrong with the ep, simply that it fore-fill that requirement of mine. personally these days i can guess 80% of shows eps twists before they happen, thats why i love fringe so much, because it had more thought involved, better writing.

    btw shatteredOne, thanks for seeing that i wasnt slamming the ep, just sharing a thought out loud so to speak. i did love it, just was just hoping for one final twist and surprise. :)

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  58. TayaP719 January 2013 at 08:48

    I loved the way they did that - those subtle hints that, like you said, make us wonder and hope. And I perfer that they did it like that, in a very Fringe-y style, because I don't think that I will ever stop thinking about that last scene, it is already burrowing inside my mind :)

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  59. Lou19 January 2013 at 08:54

    I loved it, not as much as the Lost finale which is my all time favourite but its definitely top 5.

    There is quite a bit of plot-holes with the timelines and paradoxes. Going to assume that The Observers still exist just with emotions and September still saved Peter and Walter from the lake. Otherwise none of it makes sense!!

    Mostly though I don't care because so much happened that I loved.

    + Alt liv and Lincoln! married and with a son and being awesome. Hell yeah.

    + GENE WE SAW GENE I LONGED TO SEE GENE.

    + Astrid/Walter scene oh god cried so much

    + Love that Walternate is still alive, never ever thought I would care for that son of a bitch.

    + Peter being Walter's favourite thing

    + September everything thing involving September especially December! So glad they mentioned the original 12 again and August! and yeah they really did care.

    + Broyles lived!!!!!! And was amazing and I am delighted we saw him.

    + Walter was right it was cool seeing floating Observers. As was the attack on the building with loads of previous Fringe events.

    + Olivia oh shit Olivia can't even begin to explain my feelings for that woman. She was so determined to crossover despite the risk! Loved it when she made all the lights go out during her rescue of Michael. LOVED IT EVEN MORE WHEN SHE KILLED WINDMARK. You do not fuck with our Olivia. Not at all.

    + The White Tulip, what a perfect way to end the series. Lots of call backs to Fringe's history in this episode. Also of course Walter would take Michael into the blue light like he did with young Peter all those years ago. Everything is connected. Full circle. Perfect.

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  60. andy s19 January 2013 at 09:03

    Good episode, quite satisfying. I may diverge from opinions here, and think what you will about Lost, but that finale was, for me, more emotionally charged. For some reason, Fringe always lost pace when it delved too much into the emotional stuff (maybe its the quality of the actors, bar Noble). Here it was done better then in some earlier episodes, though, and nice reference to the single best episode, and most emotional of all - White Tulip.

    So, now, with nice reference to WT, what is the significance of Peter receiving the letter? Walter is gone from that timeline, he lives in 22nd century. So, how exactly does the symbol that for Walter meant forgiveness come into play for Peter, how before the point of seeing it, doesn't even have any problems of that sort? He is happy. Thus, I must conclude that it has not emotional but cognitive value, leading Peter to remember everything (which the final shot presumably shows). If that is the case, I like it, because we need our main characters to know all that we know.

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  61. ShatteredOne19 January 2013 at 09:41

    Ya I'm right there with you, after watching shows like Lost and Fringe, my skill of predicting twists that occur in shows or movies has gotten exceptionally better. Still there are shows and movies that still can blow my mind, and Fringe did that quite often (Season 3 cliffhanger was one of those). I think because it was the finale of the show that they couldn't really do much twist wise without pissing off fans worrying that loose ends might be left.

    And no problem, I saw you love the show based on the detail of your analysis, plus the fact that you said "having said that i loved the episode, i felt it emotionally did everything right." Just because someone doesn't like a particular aspect of something doesn't mean they hate the entirety of it.

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  62. Athinaxy19 January 2013 at 09:50

    A very fast ending for a very slow season. It felt like a sudden 'And they lived happily ever after'. Since a long time storytelling is not what it was anymore.

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  63. Athinaxy19 January 2013 at 09:54

    Charlie Francis could be ambered on his honeymoon:-)

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  64. Dor Fiderer19 January 2013 at 10:15

    I know your not in a state for humor, but I couldn't hold myself from sending this comment to Jack Douglass (very polite gift from someone who makes grammar mistakes all the time :) )

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  65. Marine Bertheau19 January 2013 at 10:52

    WHO THE HELL CHOOSE "AWFUL" OR "POOR" FOR THAT SERIES FINALE ?!
    I can't actually make a useful comment, I'm too moved :')


    Thanks JJ Abrams, and the entire cast&crew of Fringe for those 5 years!

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  66. Dor Fiderer19 January 2013 at 11:39

    Oh and you reminded me... why they had to cast a replacement for Anil? The new actor was a bit annoying.

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  67. Asia19 January 2013 at 11:39

    Walter and Peter scenes made me cry, loved the ending!!!! Gonna miss the show!

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  68. waterflame19 January 2013 at 12:02

    I have a question! I wrote that first, cause I really want to know, but I won't skip it... This was an amazing finale, broke my heart so many times, as I am still kind of crying. OK, straight to the question: What exactly happened to Walter? He went into the future, stopped the scientist from making his discovery(leading to the Observers) aand... where is he in the new timeline? Is he still there(I don't think so) or has he disappeared(to the future) at the point of the Observer Invasion? If he did, why that point in time? I feel stupid for not understanding, even though I watched it so closely.

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  69. John Rees Holman19 January 2013 at 12:32

    and me i thought the same when i saw lost i thought i dont get it so watched it again then i was like ummmm 6 years and it ended up being that????? but fringe was just straight forward we knew what they were no chapels moving on to the other side or purgatory was just simple time reset and a husband and wife being reunited with their daughter and that for me is perfection hehe

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  70. DarthLocke419 January 2013 at 12:36

    "silence is golden"

    You must wait for the answers, you mustn't interrupt the flow of things in these moments, or you will ruin the outcome you desire...and the truth doesn't always have to be spoken be known of heard.

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  71. Ryan Ellis19 January 2013 at 12:37

    It's okay guys, because September still existed, as did The Observers, but they all had emotions! And September still went back and saved Peter at Reiden Lake, and then, then he travelled to 2167, where Walter's work was done and gave Walter the fate he truly deserved, he took him back to the lab in 2015, and he lived happily ever after, with Peter, Olivia, Etta, Astrid, Gene, still alive at age 90 and a professor at Harvard University. This is my ending. :)

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  72. DarthLocke419 January 2013 at 12:47

    Agreed. These are my problems as well. The ending put the whole thing to fate "blowing in the wind", and all though that allows for each of us to decide what anything ever met (going with Peter's favorite book here), or where everything goes from here, I find it a way to not really tie any of it up, because we really don't see anything different, except no Observer invasion in 2015. We have no idea what that means for anyone else and if this was all really fair to Michael and Donald and even Walter...because now Walter appears to have just disappeared in 2015, rather than anyone but the viewers and Walter and Michael know where Walter is and where he really left from...I would have preferred the characters showing us they knew what they sacrificed and proving to us that they all did have a better future...

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  73. Ross19 January 2013 at 13:02

    Sorry if people think this question is dumb, time travel stuff tends to
    screw with my head a little bit. So if Walter and Michael stopped the
    scientist from ever creating an observer, how did the ending happen with
    Olivia and Peter and Etta all being together/even existing?

    The whole series arguably started because Walter stole Peter from the
    other timeline because an observer distracted him whilst creating a cure
    for Peters illness. If observers didn't exist, then nobody would have
    distracted him, which means he would have cured Peter and never crossed
    over into the alternate world, so the alternate world would never have
    been broken etc etc etc. Am I overthinking it?

    Sorry for the dumb question, any light shed would be great thanks!

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  74. Ryan Ellis19 January 2013 at 13:12

    I've been thinking that for weeks! But I think the way to interpret it is to see it as not wiping out the Observers, but rather changing them, giving them emotions, therefore they would have still existed yet would have had emotions, been much greater etc, and September could still have gone back in time and started it all! :)

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  75. Justyna Kubica19 January 2013 at 13:15

    It's perfect. I'm going with it too ;)

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  76. Micky Fu19 January 2013 at 13:17

    I have a theory that Michael went onto the train to ensure Olivia getting the cortexiphan, and the first "shh" when Olivia is asking Michael why getting captured and what to do next is to tell Olivia like "not telling", since he sees all futures and he let them think of the way out to ensure them being at the right path at the right time. And the second "shh" and Olivia's understanding glance after she uses her cortexiphan abilities is like saying "thus the not telling"

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  77. Justyna Kubica19 January 2013 at 13:20

    I loved it! This may actually be THE BEST Series Finale I've ever seen.

    It was perfect. As hard as it was to say goodbye to Walter, I'm really okay with the ending. Really. WHITE TULIP! And Peter's look!

    What a satisfying ending for one of the most amazing TV Shows of all-time!

    I just wanted to say THANK YOU! To everyone! The creators, actors, directors, writers, fellow fans! EVERYONE who ever was involved in the show! Love you guys! And I'm so grateful for all these years!

    And know, FRINGE WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN!

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  78. DarthLocke419 January 2013 at 13:24

    Ya I feel like they left the actual nature of it all in the wind and I personally don't like that. For me it was like trying to close a chapter pretending there are no can of worms, and then open another chapter with out any real resolution to the truth of what happened actually is. All we know is that there is no Observer invasion and that Walter (to them) disappeared in 2015. It's like the rest is up to us individually and I'm with you, where I hope the characters know something of what was sacrificed otherwise it feels existentially nihilistic. I would have liked something a little more concrete.

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  79. Ralissa Vassilissa19 January 2013 at 13:26

    Yes, there are some plotholes, but tbh there are plotholes in every show, especially when it comes to sci-fi or fantasy. Imho, the finale gave enough answers & closure. If they had attempted to resolve every single issue just for the sake of giving answers, that would have made the 2 episodes too cluttered (it was just 2 hours, after all). I felt it was a good finale, maybe because I've never been too invested in Fringe and I don't feel disappointed that they didn't revisit every previous storyline.



    As for the boy telling Olivia not to talk, it's because he could predict the future. The first time Olivia remained silent, Astrid had the idea about the cube. The second time the boy signalled to Olivia, she had the idea to use her mind to move the car and thus kill Windmark.


    Anyway, I agree with you about the "nature abhors paradoxes" justification, that was a poor choice of words and a weak explanation. If Peter (the son) lives before Walter (the father), doesn't that create a paradox in itself? Not to mention Peter's entire existence in a universe alternate to his birth place is much more of a paradox. They should have come up with a better justification to send Walter away.

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  80. DarthLocke419 January 2013 at 13:26

    I think the gave us an ending in which "we" have to decide what the truth is ourselves, because they only let us assume there is deja vu and not really show us for fact there was, and we see no invasion, but it doesn't show us what really changed and what really didn't...

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  81. CBarrows19 January 2013 at 13:33

    I should clarify, I LOVE Lost and enjoy the ending actually - but Fringe just did it better. Lost as a whole maintains it's spot as my 2nd favorite show of all-time though. Ironically, my favorite show had a very weak ending (The X-Files)

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  82. DarthLocke419 January 2013 at 13:44

    I think the bigger problem is not knowing if September exists, because it really is his doing that led to Walter taking Peter, keeping Peter, leading Olivia to the Machine, not interfering when Red Olivia traded places allowing Henry to be born and used, only to have Peter disappear and both Red and Blue be rewritten where the machine or other things we don't know about in the universe allow Peter to return, have him be a threat again, only for the Observers to decided and drop it...then invade.


    It's not to say that every thing can't work out another way, surely it can, but I am not fond of not knowing these things and forcing all of us to imagine what ever we want about them...

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  83. Ralissa Vassilissa19 January 2013 at 13:58

    Even though I've never been particularly invested in Fringe, the finale was still quite emotional for me. It had plenty of endearing moments, and they completely made up for the minor plotholes and inconsistencies.

    The "Shhh" was a nice touch - I think that because of Michael's intellect, he was able to predict the future and he knew that Astrid would have the idea about the cube at that precise moment, and later that Olivia would have the idea to use her abilities to stop Windmark. The sign was meant to tell Olivia to pause and wait for the solution to come to her.
    P.S.: Am I the only one who thought that Alt!Olivia looked better than Olivia, even though she was supposed to be 21 years older? I've always preferred the hairstyle and make-up they used for her, Anna looks better with darker hair with more volume. :D

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  84. Hungry Emo19 January 2013 at 13:59

    I am completely floored at the fact there was no twist (we all knew Walter was going to be the one to go through and they didn't hide that, even with a red herring) or tragedy.


    I hope this sets a precedent. That finales don't have to be tragic, full of twists that compromise the story, or ideas that never come to fruition. I hope, from now on, showrunners can contemplate a finale that just follows the story through, brings it to an end, and satisfies its audience.

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  85. Dor Fiderer19 January 2013 at 14:03

    First, thanks for your great answer :)
    You are 100 percent right. A finale like what I described might be very tiring and corny. Yet I would expect from a TV series like this, that respects so much its history and all the story lines it built, to close all of them. Still, for Joel Fringe means the work of his life, and it has to be perfect in his terms. So why not even mention Ella & Rachel? or Bell? or Francis?

    At the end, these are the things that less disturb me than the plot-holes. I now understand better why the child told Olivia not to talk, but still, he did it AFTER she killed Windmark.

    About Walter, I thought he just stayed in the future, and the letter he left was still there after the reset, so Peter got it.

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  86. Paxnos19 January 2013 at 14:04

    I agree! I'm not a LOST-ending-hater, but I think Fringe did better. :) But I love both shows regardless. :)

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  87. Ralissa Vassilissa19 January 2013 at 14:29

    Ah, yes, you're right, the second time it was after she killed Windmark, my mistake.

    I guess it might have something to do with the fact that Olivia could use her powers when she's truly distressed, scared or angry. She saw the bullet and the thought of never seeing Etta again if the plan failed invoked the emotions which enabled her to crush Windmark. Michael is an empath and he understood the way Olivia felt, so the "Shhh" was meant to soothe her, give her courage that all will be fine.

    If that's not it, I cannot think of anything else right now, lol. :D

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  88. MissMeDK19 January 2013 at 14:35

    I loved it , some weeks ago i read a article where the creators said that the final episode(s) would be a love letter too all us fans , and indeed it was!! but it's just sad there will be no more Fringe , but all good have too end , :'( (they would probably ruin the show if it wasn't over) BIG hug to all others fans !!

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  89. Paxnos19 January 2013 at 14:47

    I think Olivia might have remembered somehow (she looked so.. relieved when Peter took Etta in his arms).. and Peter did in the last shot. :)

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  90. William James19 January 2013 at 14:53

    I think people would have loved LOST's finale much more if it was about the living and not the dead. We didn't see the impact of Jack's, Sayid's, Locke's sacrifice on the people who survived that hell that was the Island like we see the impact of Walter's sacrifice. IMO, people, well at least I can connect more to something when it is in the realm of the living. The reunion in the church was a total miss for me. What we should have seen is Jin and Sun playing with their daughter, alive, in the real world. Lindelof made the plot of Lost revolve around the feud of two godlike brothers introduced in the last season and ended it with a reunion of the dead. The love quadrangle mess was also handled extremely poor. Basically in the end, in that plane, there are two people(Sawyer Kate) who loved each other but then stopped?, loved other people (Jack Juliet) who died. Then left the island alive with what exactly to look forward to? Lindelof should have at least wrote scenes where Sawyer is reunited with his daughter and Claire with Aaron. Something meaningful for those who survived.

    Fringe finale suffers from a severe case of plotholeitis (as is the case with time traveling stories) but at least it ended with a genuine emotional experience not a fake one.

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  91. Thomas Frieder19 January 2013 at 14:55

    Yes, but I will say one of the bloggers/preview reviewers predicted the last 5 minutes almost to a "T", not sure they had inside info though

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  92. Paxnos19 January 2013 at 14:55

    But.. if the Observers had emotions, then they would've never started recreating themselves in labs instead of... the conservative way?

    Following this, the 2609 "Observers 2.0" would be different compared to ours.. because they'd have father and mother, not just a DNA donor.
    So.. no September in 2609?
    Besides this, I love your ending. :)

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  93. overandback19 January 2013 at 15:38

    I'm so grateful that Fringe was able to do a finale. It was in danger of being shut down mid-season or leaving a season end cliff-hanger too many times. The meaning of the glyphs for episode 13 was a good one. 'Close'. Did it mean the series had come to a close? Or,it had been a close thing? I came away with a good feeling when everything had wrapped up. Thank's to everyone who was involved in making Fringe. I'll be missing this show for a long time.

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  94. Lemonworld19 January 2013 at 15:59

    Initially I was somewhat disappointed with how the reset itself turned out, because of the obvious problems in the 80s with Peter's rescue at the hands of the Observers. But after reading many posts about possible outcomes (ie the Observers still exist but with emotions, so the monitoring and saving of Peter still happens) and thinking about it... I'm actually very happy with the finale. It's not like I need everything spelled out for me, far from it, but it would've been nice to have that conundrum just a little bit more fleshed out in-show. Anyway, I'm sure the more time I'll have to reflect on the finale, the more I'll come to appreciate it. Off the top of my head, a few things that were awesome: the team using past fringe events (again), Broyles making it out alive, the backstory on the original 12, December, "Stop checking out my young ass".



    Thanks to the cast & crew for five spectacular years, it's definitely been a wild ride. I very much look forward to rewatching the series and experiencing the five-season story in one run. In a couple of months or so :-)

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  95. Adam D. Harris19 January 2013 at 16:06

    I see one of the issues people have is that The Observers "not existing" as such, would mean that September never went back to interfere with the original timeline.

    You're all overlooking one key thing. Walter. He is there, in the future.

    I could think of no one better than Walter to make sure his son has the life he always wanted him to have. Not only that, he has Michael to help him...

    Anyhow, I see it as not wiping out the Observers but showing the scientist that emotional versions of them can exist. For instance, who is to say that Michael isn't September, and he still is able to go back in time and influence the past to make sure Olivia and Peter end up together...

    There's plenty of exciting options that allow the ending we got. As Fringe always promoted, open your eyes... As the White Tulip always symbolised for the fans, believe in the impossible.

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  96. Lemonworld19 January 2013 at 16:09

    I read an interesting comment on TVLine. This poster argued that in 2167, Walter would be an important and well-regarded person. He could set it all in motion that in the 28th (I think) century, people/Observers/anythingwilldo still travel back in time, observe stuff, distract Walternate and save Peter from Reiden lake. A self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts.



    Personally I would've liked it if this would've been canon in-show, but it'll do.

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  97. david19 January 2013 at 16:44

    Maybe we saw Alternate Olivia and Peter...who knows!

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  98. celine19 January 2013 at 16:46

    I loved it! I spent half the second part crying like a baby. I'm not sure I understand how Peter and Olivia can be together if time was reset but it doesn't really matter! So Broyles was the Dove? I'm glad he survived. I have seen many series finale and this was my favorite! Well done!

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  99. Wilson Crawford19 January 2013 at 16:47

    I really would have appreciated it if they had found a way to throw a twist in there the size of the WTC, but effectively you're correct because even if we kinda could see most or everything that would happen, it needed to play out and it played out very well.

    Gene :( I missed Gene so much...

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  100. DarthLocke419 January 2013 at 16:55

    I think the truth is we actually don't know what the truth is, because we don't "see" it (IMO we don't even know the true nature of the amber time lines), we can only hope for whatever any of us want the truth be, to be the truth. I'm not sure if the white tulip only is about the impossible as it is also the double wammy of the unknown or the unseen...

    I personally would rather have the proof of those things (deja vu, September lives, Michael and Walter are alright, seeing Nina and Broyles again, looking for missing Walter, seeing Etta a little older, Observers modified and co-existing peacefully, ect), rather than relying on myself to make them up. For me, not having the proof to prove one outcome or another leaves me feeling very unresolved and somewhat nihilistic, because I would hope if people were going to go through all of that for a better future(s), that I would see that it was worth it, and not that everything is lost or up in the air. The show now becomes about "us" (being Observers) instead of them, and IMO it takes away from their struggles and sacrifices and promotes endless amounts of fan fiction.

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  101. celine19 January 2013 at 17:01

    Question : are you sure it's Olivia crashing Walmark and not Michael? I know she has abilities thanks to the injections but I think it was the boy, and I also think it was him who shut down the lights when Olivia came to rescue him.

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  102. DarthLocke419 January 2013 at 17:02

    I agree. I thought it felt forced, but I think it's because the final scenes are so short and lack any definitive substance. I understand to some degree why it is this way, but I find it not very resolving.

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  103. Krista McInturff19 January 2013 at 17:17

    i absolutely loved it! happy ending for peter and olivia, and walter didnt have to die. i loved the stuff with donald.

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  104. William James19 January 2013 at 17:40

    The ending is open to interpretation, so here goes mine. Thanks to Walter and Michael the Observers are still created, but they are empaths now. They still come and Observe, this time out of curiosity (thanks to Walter's legacy from 2167 onward). Everything happens as it did, s1-3, s4, everything except season 5 2015-2036. In 2015 on that fateful day when the observers were suppose to invade, this is when Walter is erased from existence.

    BUT it is slightly different then how it happened in Peter's case. In 2015 Walter just physically disappears and if Peter went searching for him, he would never find him and he would never know how, why or where... But here comes the satisfying part: He does know, white tulip was the trigger that gave him all of the memories of 2036!!!

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  105. david19 January 2013 at 17:55

    If the observers never existed, Alt-Walter would have never been distracted by September and would have fond the cure for Peter. The Peter and Olivia we saw in the finale could be the ones from the red universe. In this way, there wouldn't be any observers-Peter paradox

    Anyway, fabulous finale!

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  106. Lourdes19 January 2013 at 17:55

    Perfect ending!!!

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  107. Lemonworld19 January 2013 at 18:28

    My sentiments exactly (but phrased better than I ever could've). It would've been nice for some of things to officially be canon. Or, at the very least, have the characters DISCUSSING the problem with Peter's rescue in the 80s. Cause now, none of them ever acknowledged that without the Observers, everything since that point would've/should've been dramatically different. Walter could have easily presented the Observers with emotions (Emobservers?) hypothesis.

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  108. Rochelle Green19 January 2013 at 18:58

    Did they wrap up everything from the entire show? Hardly. But they did manage to tie all the ends together for this season. I'm thrilled that the show managed to stay on long enough to end in such a good place. They did it right, and they did it for the the viewers at home.

    It's rare to find a show that has so much heart and to find writers and actors that care so much about what they do and how it's received. This finale truly was a love letter to the fans, and I couldn't be more happy with it.

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  109. ShatteredOne19 January 2013 at 19:12

    You're the 2nd person I've talked to who thought it was the boy, but I still believe that it was Olivia. Her love for Etta, and anger over her death when she looked at the bullet, gave her the power to zap all the power from the city and move the car to crush Windmark. A similar thing happened in Season 4 when her love for Peter gave her the power to help him against DRJ.


    So for me, I wholeheartedly believe it was Olivia. But there's nothing wrong if you think it was Michael.

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  110. Ross19 January 2013 at 19:41

    I have another question, if December could travel into the future to get the part for the time machine, couldn't he have just taken Michael to the scientist himself? He essentially time travelled in order to build a time machine.

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  111. celine19 January 2013 at 19:47

    A few random comments : -50+ year old Olivia is still hot.
    -I can only imagine how much fun Walter is gonna have in the future playing around with all that new technology but I'm pretty sure he's driving the scientists so nuts that they wish he hadn't come in the first place!
    -I wish we know exactly how it is possible that Peter and Olivia are together considering the observers never existed and how Walter managed to send that letter to Peter .

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  112. celine19 January 2013 at 19:49

    Yes but if Walter never had to cross over to save Peter than the two universes would never started to break and the fringe events would have never existed so s1-4 would have never happened...

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  113. celine19 January 2013 at 19:52

    Maybe you're right...and this scene was just beautiful, she way she stands up looks at him and bang!!! and the look on his face! Priceless.

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  114. William James19 January 2013 at 20:11

    But that was NOT erased with Walter in 2015. Walter still did what he did. S1-4 are intact, it all happened. Peter and Olivia in the new 2015 still have those memories. It's just that 2015 version of Walter that never experienced 2036 just vanished. Peter and Olivia would still search for him, have memories of him and everything that happened, but he was just physically erased. What did change is that the Observers never invaded in 2015. September and the original 12 still Observed and did exactly what they did in s1-4, but they were already changed because in 2609 all Observers are empaths, the scientist from 2167 designed them differently. And in the end what I took from the very last scene is that the white tulip triggered Peter's brain and gave him the memories of s5- everything from 2036. So instead of wondering where did Walter disappear he'll know. He'll know about his sacrifice!

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  115. ShatteredOne19 January 2013 at 20:12

    The only difference I would've liked to see is Olivia psychically throw the "bullet that saved the world" through Windmark's head, or just blow up Windmark with her mind... although having his blood provide a new coat of paint on a car was pretty satisfying.


    And you're right, the look on his face: priceless.

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  116. Hungry Emo19 January 2013 at 20:32

    Saying that... can someone explain to me where Astrid went when Windmark was throwing Olivia around (right after they both turned up to save Peter)? Windmark was going at Olivia, and Astrid had just shot the other Observer... but yet, she didn't do anything to help Olivia?

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  117. Paxnos19 January 2013 at 20:34

    I think he's still there..until 2015. He just vanished the moment the Observers would have invaded, because that's when the paradox "happened".
    He should reappear in 2167 with Michaek

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  118. Paxnos19 January 2013 at 20:37

    Maybe they'll send him back because he's too annoying. :P

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  119. celine19 January 2013 at 20:40

    So what's the point of doing all that? Sure the observers never invaded the earth but Walter still destroyed both universes? I thought his sacrifice was supposed to fix that.

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  120. celine19 January 2013 at 20:43

    Can you imagine him walking around naked? I mean he did regain all his intellectual faculties but he's still pretty extravagant!

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  121. Paxnos19 January 2013 at 20:45

    I think he could... didn't think about that. The other alternative I've thought of, is (re-)implanting someone an observer device so he/she could deliver Michael to the scientist (I thought about September)

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  122. William James19 January 2013 at 20:48

    ahhm, Walter didn't destroy any universe, Peter healed them with the machine at the end of s3. Walter's sacrifice saved the world in 2015. Is that not enough? It saved Etta's life, it gave Peter and Olivia a chance to live a normal life with their daughter.

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  123. celine19 January 2013 at 20:52

    So you're saying that resetting time only affected the event after 2015? That's a stretch...but ok

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  124. DarthSpliff20 January 2013 at 00:09

    I think the change in PEter's face was indicative of a glimmer of recognition of the importance of the tulip. The last scene before it cuts to black, his face changes into seeming realization. I think Peter knows.

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  125. Kris Ayache20 January 2013 at 01:54

    Loved it! Loved it! Loved it! - Problem: I'm going to have to go back and rewatch the "flower" episode but remember actually which one it was. Love that it pointed me back to previous episodes - gives me a chance to rewatch everything all over again.

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  126. queuegroove20 January 2013 at 02:14

    I just finished. So, it's over...I just hoped to see in Olivia and Peter's look, at the very end, some kind of remembrance, because they deserve to know how heroic all of them have been, because memories makes what we are. But in the end, what happened to them stays indelible deep down their souls and hearts and it will never be erased. And that white tulip makes me believe and think that it's not the very end of this amazing story...See the look on Peter's face,

    All the Fringe anomalies thrown at the Observers and Olivia squashing that one as a fly...Beautiful.
    Michael Cerveris and John Noble. Anna Torv, what a deal to this show! I'm not forgetting the others...

    Maybe we expected this end, nonethless it was amazingly done, elegant, Soo Fringy all the way through. I still can't believe it's no more, like a paradox. But, you know... At least, we'll have the memories, and record of it. I won't say good bye, just I love you.

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  127. queuegroove20 January 2013 at 02:18

    Wow Olivia retaining her memories would be great!

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  128. Dominick Grace20 January 2013 at 02:28

    Meh. Not bad, but the time paradox plot was idiotic. OK, so Walter and Baldy Jr are going to the future, to change the course of the experiment that led to the creation of the Observers, so they never exist. Except ... the Observers are in the process of radically transforming the world already; how could that original experiment that created them ever come to be in a world they dominated, when good ole us-style humans were at best subservient and almost certainly eradicated? The world in which they were created would not exist by the time 2069 rolled around.

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  129. CBarrows20 January 2013 at 04:12

    I didn't view it as fake - but I agree that Fringe's was an overall better ending. I will love both experiences regardless. To each his own though.

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  130. LostGorillaz20 January 2013 at 09:04

    I canot wait to see whats on the dvd and blu ray box set, hopefully there will be a short episode of Walter and the boy and their travels, that would be so cool

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  131. Fanmisa20 January 2013 at 09:24

    I loved every single second of both episodes !!! Perfect ending for a perfect show ! I'm gonna miss it !!!

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  132. Greg20 January 2013 at 10:16

    I can’t believe no one notice the return address of Walters white tulip. Look closely and pause it bc you can see he mails it from an observer address. Look at the writing. It’s an %#^# street in observer language. He made it to the future. He is the professor from Norway. We see he is n Boston but in the future. Did anyone catch this. Also missing the sssshhhh Michael told Olivia what am I missing.

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  133. DarkUFO20 January 2013 at 10:43

    Here is a screenshot of the Address

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  134. Jim 10820 January 2013 at 12:05

    Did you notice one of the letters said "Thank you for your support!"? I'm pretty sure that one was directed to us!

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  135. Jim 10820 January 2013 at 12:11

    Well... that's the paradox, isn't it? Both things happened. On this show the time-travel rules are that you can change the future, but that nature will course-correct in an unpredictable way. Because Walter 'prevented' the Observers from taking over the world, they never did. But because Walter didn't go to the future until after the invasion, he had to be erased. Technically it shouldn't have happened, but Walter changed the rules (as he does) to save the world.

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  136. Jim 10820 January 2013 at 12:24

    I thought the same at first, but it's not really that much of a stretch. September never intervened in the yellow timeline. Peter was not supposed to exist, but he did because of the love between him and the others. Besides that, the Observers really didn't intervene that much.

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  137. Ross20 January 2013 at 12:40

    Why did September have to wait for the gang to carry out the plan? He had all the pieces of the time machine, he knew the plan, when they were in amber couldn't he have just done the plan with the resistance himself?

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  138. Jim 10820 January 2013 at 12:44

    I think the tulip represents more than just forgiveness. IMO it stands for the idea that you can make anything happen as long as you have the will and imagination to do so. That's how Elizabeth explained the tulip field to Peter, but it's also what happened in the White Tulip episode.
    Wish fulfillment is one of the more subtle themes on the show. Peter met Olivia in that same tulip field, where she caused it to snow just by wishing for it. I like to think it's a message Walter would want to send. Like he's saying "see, my ridiculous plan worked!".

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  139. Sharon Seymour20 January 2013 at 12:45

    Maybe he saw the future and saw that he was killed and would need Walter to be there to go into the wormhole

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  140. Jim 10820 January 2013 at 12:52

    Walter existed up to the point where the invasion would have happened. In the tape Walter said Peter would find a strange letter, and look for Walter in the lab but not find him there. So after the episode ended, Peter would find that tape and probably all the others and (sort of) understand why Walter had disappeared.

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  141. Jim 10820 January 2013 at 13:01

    In the yellow timeline, both Peters died. It was mentioned that Walter would cross over either way, but after he kidnapped red Peter, the ice broke and he drowned. Peter should not exist, but he came back because of the love they all shared. That's the paradox. Everything happened the way it did in season 4.

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  142. neon_ruby20 January 2013 at 13:19

    A wonderful end! Now that I've recovered from being a blubbering mess I can write how much I loved these episodes and how sad I am that the show is over.

    I thought that the story-wise, the episodes were brilliant but it was the character moments that really made the episode. Anna Torv - fantastic as always and it was so good to see Alt-liv. It was lovely to see both Olivias move to the point of affection and helping each other. Anna Torv has always done a fantastic job of portraying both Olivias and that was no different here - the happiness of Alt-liv versus the struggle that Olivia has been through was clear to see. Brilliant to see Lincoln again - I've always liked him.

    But it was John Noble who broke my heart. His speech on the tape and the following scene with Peter showed what this show was always about - father and son - and he and Joshua Jackson were amazing in that scene. But his scene with Astrid when he said her name was beautiful was when I think I truly realised I was watching the last episodes of Fringe - heartbreaking.

    Special props to Michael Cerveris - he's always imbued September with such humanity and he was brilliant as Donald.I was devastated when he died. His scenes with Walter were so good and I sincerely hope there's some version of September in the timeline reset. Also I hope we see more of Cerveris on tv - he's brilliant.

    The callbacks to previous seasons with the Fringe events and the Cortexiphan were a nice touch - even moreso to see Olivia use her powers on giving Windmark his comeuppance. And the symmetry of Walter taking a boy to another world - this time saving a world instead of starting it's decay - was a beautiful image. And the last scenes of Olivia and Peter showing hints of remembering showed the right amount of ambiguity and the image of the White Tulip was the perfect symbol to end the series.

    I look forward to seeing the cast in other projects. I do wish Fringe had more seasons - even 9 more episodes to this season would have been lovely - but I'm so pleased that Fox gave this show a change at a proper ending. I'll miss it - not sure if i'll get invested in show like this again - and I'll miss looking for new Fringe news here and reading all the discussions. But it's been a brilliant 5 seasons, I'll miss it but we got an exciting and satisfying ending.

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  143. Paxnos20 January 2013 at 16:05

    Awesome thought :D

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  144. Dominick Grace20 January 2013 at 16:08

    The Observers coming back in time in the first place and putting in motion a transformation of the world that would prevent their own creation would basically already have done the job. The "future" in which they were created ceased to exist--or should have, by any reasonable standard--the moment they came back to 2015 and took over the world. So the future where they were created would not exist for Walter to travel to. Their OWN intervention in time prior to their creation creates a fundamental paradox; if they can do that and continue to exist, then nothing else Walter could do to the future could/should erase them either. Logic would have required some sort of travel to a further PAST to prevent their creation. But then, Fringe was never strong on logic.
    Though, admittedly, logic and time travel are uncomfortable companions.

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  145. Dominick Grace20 January 2013 at 17:42

    It's a paradox, but it's a problematic one. OK, so the Observers are created as a result of an experiment in 2069. Centuries later, they travel back, and invade in 2015. They beign to transform the world radically, subjugating humans and beginning to make the planey uninhabitable for humans. Now, in that framework, can the 2069 experiment that led to their creation possibly occur? Their OWN actions ought, by any reasonable standard, to create the paradox that makes them cease to exist. The future to which Walter is going ot travel to prevent their creation always already doesn't exist because their actions would have eradicated it, so it won't be there for him to change. But if eradicating it eradicates them....
    Logically, Walter should have had to travel to a point in the PAST, before they radically changed time, to prevent their creation,

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  146. C P20 January 2013 at 20:00

    Very bittersweet. I wanted a happier ending, cause I'm like that, but this worked too. I thought it wouldn't but when it was over I was sad as much as I was happy but accepting of it.



    The scene where Peter found out what Walter had to do, the one with Astrid and Walter going to see Jean, and September/Donald's talk with Walter about fatherhood were all great stuff.



    And then those finale 5 minutes were so emotional. I was so happy when Windmark got killed but then everything became so sad. When September got shot and Michael sat down beside him and started playing the music box, I started crying and didn't stop until the end of the show, and even an hour afterwards thinking about it made me tear up.


    It wasn't just September's death that got to me. Walter having Michael take his hand and Peter saying "I love you Dad" then Walter turning to leave was so sad.



    And then after that when we saw Olivia, Peter, and Etta back together I was crying cause it was so sweet and perfect. I was so happy for them.


    (I am a really emotional person)



    I just hope in some way, even though there was a reset, they still remember or eventually remember what happened, or at the very least, even though that world in season 5 didn't exist to them, that in some way it still does. Maybe that timeline ended when the reset occured, but it didn't completely disappear? Does anyone get what I'm saying? I prefer the idea of them having jumped to a new timeline rather than Season 5's having never existed at all, so that's what I believe.



    I also believe Walter is in the future checking out all the neat technology. ;)

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  147. C P20 January 2013 at 20:38

    I like seeing it that way best. The "reset" didn't change s1-s4.

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  148. C P20 January 2013 at 21:04

    Oh cool! But I still don't think it could have been from the future as how would he send it through time? I thought it was the letter Walter sent when he was working on the reset thing. But then again, it could be possible since the scientists from the future could have still created people with abilities to go to the past.



    So confused. lol

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  149. C P20 January 2013 at 21:08

    It has to be our Peter and Olivia. They and Alt Olivia and Lincoln are the best couples/most fitting to me.

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  150. Death26021 January 2013 at 00:29

    He didn't have Bell's hand.

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  151. Natascha ♡21 January 2013 at 16:20

    Couldn't have said it better myself! Even though it is the end, we still love everything what made Fringe so Ausome: the whole shebang: writers, actors crew members ... etc. Working their arses off, rain or sunshine... They kept on bringing us a fantasting amazing show...

    ♥

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  152. DarthLocke421 January 2013 at 17:01

    Michael might have aided the scientist in recreating the 12 (they did come to have emotions, because of the late Walter era they kept finding themselves in.) and some... Ultimately I have had many debates with myself and with others about what/when the amber time line actually is in relation to the other iterations of the time lines...

    The only thing we can hope for is that "there is more than one of everything" and that might include Observers whether in these new time lines, or another...because the truth is we don't really know...we don't know how anything reconfigured: what changes, what stayed the same, and if and where there are other things going on in other universes/parts of this universe (time lines) that also have an effect on this paradox/situation...

    Michael could easily give a clone-counterpart of September his memories back, let alone Observers might be able to do that to some lesser degree themselves, as I feel certain that multiple universe is equivalent to collective conscience...and the Observers just have potential to "tap into" that conscience...



    The one thing I really hope for is that September's Notebook might give some more insight into these things and maybe throw a bone to us by proving he is still out there in some way...

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  153. DarthLocke421 January 2013 at 18:45

    IMO we don't have enough information to prove the truth of reality.

    In multiple universe/many worlds there eventually will be no paradoxes...

    The many-worlds interpretation is an interpretation of quantum mechanics that asserts the objective reality of the universal wavefunction and denies the actuality of wavefunction collapse. Many-worlds implies that all possiblealternative histories and futures are real, each representing an actual "world" (or "universe"). It is also referred to asMWI, the relative state formulation, the Everett interpretation, the theory of the universal wavefunction,many-universes interpretation, or just many-worlds.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation

    So technically going with "There is More Than One of Everything", would you get into this idea that all times will or can eventually occur, but then also you would have times that are identical in many parts of many universes/time lines in order to truly acquire infinite or near infinite realities.

    This would lead to this idea that time may not always be "rewritten", as much as there would be new time made from old times. Branch off's (Walter's Deja Vu explanation ...but iterations of time line, verses co-exstence of universes, would be more incarnated and closely related, and possibly more changeable in and of themselves. It depends if there would be a physical difference between an iteration of, verses a universe....and possibly the method of creating new time...



    In "Os" (which was referenced in Enemy of Fate with floating Observers)

    Walter give Nina this idea (which is actually a Einstein Dictum)

    WALTER: Maybe I can. Belly's notes are incomplete, but I think I was right about the trigger. I think there is an instrument that can draw Belly's consciousness out of its new vessel.
    NINA: (watches as he walks to the ship's bell displayed on a cabinet top) Walter, what are you doing?
    WALTER: And I think... Belly would have left it with someone he trusted.
    NINA: (carries the bell back to her) No. You can't be serious.
    WALTER: A person's consciousness... their soul is energy. And energy cannot be created or destroyed. No matter where Belly's consciousness is, the harmonic vibrations emanating from this bell will draw it forth from whatever vessel he chose before --



    The thing about Fringe is that the Observers themselves seem like a paradox, because we learn in The Day We Died and Peter and the Machine that our season 1-3 timelines (red and blue) were created from a previous one...and that actually Peter(s) taking the machine parts back in time to create new variations had possibly happened infinant times according to the past-2036 Walter...The problem then lies in the Observers existence...if those time lines never reach the 2067 mark, then how do Observers exist in them? -That's why either the amber time line had to be "their" original time line that just co-exists, or the Observers found away to make their existence/creation-era a constant (acting as it's own universe) to never be re-written/branched off (so only pre-Observer times were recreated), or we have many more Observers and matching counterparts (like our characters) than we think we do...and our characters just end up in this amber one for reciprocity & spiritual reasons...


    So the ending has potential to be true to what ever any of us wish it to be, because this time where Peter Olivia and Etta exist without the Observer invasion, could have already existed anyways...or could be something new.

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  154. DarthLocke421 January 2013 at 19:05

    IMO it is about living and life extension on all fronts...


    The flash sideways began to allow them to 'experience" the next iteration/branch off of the time line at the 2004-era they created by time traveling back to the 1970's...


    It's just the nature of the flash sideways, (death) is an ethereal plane, a bridge, in being able to get to that new future. The characters start to glimpse the new time line, but they have to remember the past in order to see "what" they made and then they move onto to that future together..


    "It only ends once, everything before that is just progress" = Death isn't the end of anything as long as the Island is always saved and protected. - it gives humanity continuous chances to spiritually progress by eventually facing existentialism (going through hell and back aka dealing with the Island) in order to eventually get to a better place, with the people you come to care about, in another life time.

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  155. DarthLocke421 January 2013 at 19:33

    Thank goodness! There is a little bit of relief and a nice dash of mystery!

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  156. DarthLocke421 January 2013 at 19:48

    Yes, but the catch 22 in that sanario is that Walter never originally sent it, or Peter never recieves it, because he was never lead to the video tape on that day, or any day after and Walter doesn't remember where the Tulip September brought with him actually went...So the reset has to make up the differences for the exchanges (reciprocity), but the fact that there is an Observer address does bode well to "a" Walter living in the future, where Observers still exist (other wise why adopt their language,)...I think it only makes sense for Wyman to doe this to prove to us Walter created what he intended and let us know Walter was alright...

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  157. celine21 January 2013 at 20:58

    Random thought : we never found out how William Bell came back... He disappeared after Walter shot Olivia but we know he came back a few years later and kinda betrayed them...I'd love to know when and why he came back...

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  158. David Galli21 January 2013 at 21:46

    Perhaps they are forbidden to travel to that time mostly to avoid troubles in their creation and them ceasing to exist.

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  159. laura334122 January 2013 at 00:28

    thank you,thank you! ;) I needed that...

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  160. 35er22 January 2013 at 00:33

    Yea I was left scratching my head on a few things too. When time reset was Walter completely nonexistent or was there a Walter who had just not experienced the Observer-controlled future? And if he was really not there at all then when exactly did he leave? Cause I'm understanding it as Walter vanished from that timeline at the point of the reset. So once Peter and Olivia get back from the park with Etta they're going to see that Walter's gone and wonder where he went off to lol. But I'm also wondering if Walter is just wiped clean from Peter/Olivia's memory the way they did with Peter, but that brings up so many other issues.

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  161. laura334122 January 2013 at 00:42

    I think i needed more time than i thought.,wish i could say Walter took me on a trip.Seems my blood pressure is not making my doctor happy...

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  162. laura334122 January 2013 at 00:44

    I'm giving you a very big hug,always!

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  163. Stupot81522 January 2013 at 00:57

    I think the choice not to surprise us too much was the right choice. Most finales fall flat precisely because they try to do something too leftfield and clever, and end up pissing people off.

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  164. Stupot81522 January 2013 at 01:01

    You can tell it was Olivia causing the blackouts. Remember she can only do that shit when she is under threat or great stress, just like in the corridor of Liberty Island, she loses her gun but then the lights go out and she kicks the observer's ass. That was definitely Liv because Micael wasn't with her then.

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  165. Stupot81522 January 2013 at 01:05

    Ahh good... Just reading through the comments and I thought nobody else had picked up on that, but you did :-) There was definitely a change in his face, like a memory or something. I think that is perfect.

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  166. Stupot81522 January 2013 at 01:26

    I'm loving your take on this. To me it solves the problems that people have been talking about regarding the reset. Cheers :-)

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  167. Greg22 January 2013 at 01:32

    Can someone explain this. Why is no one talking about it

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  168. Stupot81522 January 2013 at 01:42

    Ha! I didn't notice that. What a lovely touch!

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  169. Stupot81522 January 2013 at 01:55

    It's a nice interesting touch, but I'm struggling to draw any conclusions from it, other than Walter sent it from the future, somehow...

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  170. LostGorillaz22 January 2013 at 03:50

    :) Have you digested the Finale yet, you seemed upset? Hope you enjoyed it and are not too sad its over

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  171. LostGorillaz22 January 2013 at 03:54

    its probably a lost fan who didn't like you dissing it....thumbs up from me

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  172. Blanca And Wedo22 January 2013 at 06:12

    I loved everything about the finale. Peter and Olivia getting Etta back was my favorite. Although I really hope they come out with a books series surrounding 2012-2015 and what went with P/O then... Etta's birth, and so on...

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  173. maan18722 January 2013 at 07:49

    Well, at least in the end they left the chapter open for more story possibilities. who knows, Fringe might come back!

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  174. phnxgrl22 January 2013 at 08:14

    I loved how the cortexefan affected Olivia in the point of crushing Windmark between two cars!

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  175. DarthLocke422 January 2013 at 20:33

    Some good news is that if you scroll down to the end of the comments, DarkUFO helped post a photo of the address from where/when Walter now sent the envelope from...The street he is on in [futuristic] Boston is an Observer named street (it's in Observer script/text), so it may help support that Walter made it to the future ok, Observers might still exist (why else would Wyman want us to see Observer script?), and that perhaps Walter can send letters through time...

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  176. prpleight23 January 2013 at 06:35

    My favorite thing about the end was watching Peter tell Walter he loved him and thinking back to that relationship at the beginning of the series. The only problem with this being the series finale and a time travel solution was that...I always knew everything was going to be okay. I loved the two eps a lot. Definitely awesome, but that 'OMG are they gonna win' anxiety was missing.


    Did Walter call Astrid Ashcan? Liked the 'why' for that moment when Windmark disregarded his orders declaring he was going to kill Peter et al....(that the 12 had been infected by human emotion and he'd been affected as well...with hate.)


    The little nods were awesome in and of themselves: the visit to the other side, Gene, all of the Fringe diseases and infections being visited at once.


    Awesome and satisfying send off.

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  177. DarthLocke424 January 2013 at 02:01

    Actually the Observer "street" name is pretty good indicator that Observers still existed when Walter is...additionally it would mean Walter can send mail! It allows us to believe that Observers weren't enhilated, just changed, or a certain group of them changed...

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  178. laura334124 January 2013 at 17:56

    It was great,and i loved it but i got so upset when it ended,because it ended,i hadn't realized just how invested i had become..It almost felt like i lost my mother all over again,except this was Walter,Peter and Olivia,yes and Astrid! Think i'll be watching it again over the weekend...

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  179. queuegroove25 January 2013 at 11:52

    I agree with you Natascha! xxx

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  180. Dave Thomas27 January 2013 at 21:52

    Its funny how LOST asked more questions, Answered more questions, Made much more sense, Had a much better all round story and characters, AND gave much more closure to the story...YET there will be Lost ending haters that loved the Fringe finale.

    I have enjoyed watching Fringe, but there are so many loose ends, plot holes and things that make little sense that post season 2(Which was the best season) it lost a lot of its sparkle.

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  181. Stupot8158 April 2014 at 04:09

    Perfect ending! I think the decision to give us quite a straight-forward finale with no real twists or surprises is actually a fantastic decision. Many shows' finales have tried to be too leftfield, arty or clever and ended up alienating half the audience... Lost is the saddest example of this.

    Not many people seem to have noticed Peter's facial expression in the last second of the episode. The white tulip CLEARLY triggered him to remember something. It would have been slightly sad if Fringe had ended with no one remembering anything about the past 5 seasons and its various timelines/universes, so I am going to assume Peter remembers something after seeing the tulip, and this makes the ending perfect for me.

    I loved the 513 on December's door. Nice touch.

    One problem I'd had with season 5 is that it barely seemed related at all the the previous 4 seasons. It seemed more like a spin-off show. But the last few episodes and especially the finale really managed to link everything up quite nicely. We've had September, Redverse, Gene. We had UberLiv reactivated and kicking butt and not to mention the veritable gallery of past Monsters of the week being utilized to help with 'the plan'. Just beautiful.

    Did anyone else think that old Olivia resembled a young Nina? Just a random thought that occurred to me.

    [Edit] Hey, why the thumbs down? :-(

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  182. Sebastian Caulfield8 April 2014 at 04:09

    I want my Walter-in-the-future spin-off next season :(

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  183. Maz048 April 2014 at 04:09

    Gotta love Olivia when she's pissed and killed Windmark! You don't wanna fuck around with her that's for sure. It takes me back to Season 1 when she's always in control.

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  184. Paxnos8 April 2014 at 04:10

    That makes sense, thank you. :) Sadly, there's much we have no idea of... but the recreation of the 12 seems possible now.

    I also hope for more background information in September's notebook. It is a high price, so my expectations aren't low.

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  185. DarthLocke48 April 2014 at 04:13

    Ya. It would be nice to learn how he could apparate and learn about other characters that seemed to be time traveling...

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