Ha, you tell 'em, Cas. He was a bit more blunt than Garth, but I guess that answers my question of how long it's going to take before the brothers work together again.
Oh gosh no! I can not wait! What has Naomi done to him?! I wonder if the one in the chair with Crowley is Samandriel.... Maybe that's the situation.... Samandriel is still being tored and being forced to give up some of Heaven's secrets to Crowley.... and Naomi's going to force Cas to go put a stop to it...
Based on what little I can make out of the clothing it does looks like Samandriel in the chair. This looks like such a good episode but I do have my worries for Castiel... sucks that we have to wait until January 16th! What nonsense is that?! :-P
Makes sense . Since we are getting closer to the end we need to find out more about the heaven and hell situation . I still wonder who is in charge of Heaven now . We know Crowley is in Heaven and tries to stay away from the boys as good as he can because he knows them but who is the one who controls Heaven .Wouldn't Gabriel be forced to replace Raphael and Micheal if he is still alive ? I am not buying it that Lucifer killed him, Gabriel would know that his big brother who taught him the trick would know about the trick
Awww, don't say that... don't get my hopes up like that... It would be so cool if there was an episode where Dean and Sam find out that Gabriel is now running Heaven.... and he was still treating it a bit as a joke, and that that was how Naomi had so much power... Gabriel could hae created a new garrison and signed Naomi to it so he would hae less to deal with.... I want Gabriel back.... And I hope Samandriel is okay....
I don't see why Naomi would have to force Cas to stop it. He'd willingly stop it himself, because he said he wanted to help the angels/Heaven, and Samandriel knew him, so it's likely Cas knew him too.
If Gabriel was Naomi's boss [who I don't trust either] I doubt he'd be keeping tabs on her. I think he'd just assign a bunch of angels to this new, super-secret angel garrison, then leave them be... Oooooh, it would be awesome if Gabriel Was alive, Was running Heaven, Had given Naomi authority over the super-secret garrison and that hr made his big return when Naomi got out of control/but her big secret plan into action and he helped Cas/the brothers defeat her... Or that he defeated her himself, alone, and no one realized he was still alive because he had created Naomi's garrison so he could stay dead.... *sigh* I highly doubt that's what will happen though...
Hmmm, maybe its cuz he had do do it in a way that will betray the Winchester brothers... or maybe they want to strike a deal with the King of Hell, something I doubt Cas wants to do again...
When you pause the video and start clicking around you can see a few key details that were just barely shown.
For one, the guy in Crowley's torture chair does appear to be Samandriel, the poor angel we seen him torturing before. Beyond just doing that, there does seem to be something bigger going on than just extracting info from him. The guy in the room with Crowley isn't Cas. It appears whoever this is, is a doctor as the coat is long and actual looks white despite the tinting.
It makes sense because at another point, we see Cas lying down in a dentist like chair in a room that looks like it's apart of Naomi's office space. We also see a small clip of Cas freaking out and grabbing his head like there is something inside causing him pain. We do also see in a longer clip, him looking like he's not even home (creepy).
Lastly, the hardest clip to stop on, that is even covered up by graphics...
At first I thought Naomi's eyes looked black playing the video in normal time, but when I pause and click around trying to capture the right frame, I see they look non-demonic, but I see under the graphic they throw over her, her holding a drill or something like it.
Not sure what all it means.
I could see Crowley trying to tap into "Angel Radio," but then what is Naomi doing to Cas? Since it seems that it comes to their attention in heaven that this is happening, I can't help wonder if Naomi is going to order "radio silence" and she's hooking Cas up with a super secret channel or if she's putting a hole in his.... firewall.... that she can use to slip into Jimmy whenever she wants, pushing Cas into the background or something.
This has me scared for what's coming up for Cas ... although hopeful that Sam and Dean will realize that there's something going on that Cas isn't aware of. I agree that he'll probably be the glue to get the boys back on the same page which will be great. Seems like at least once a season they get mad at each other and that's realistic for brothers occupying the same car, the same hotel rooms and especially with going through what they go through on a normal day.
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January 16th? Rude.
ReplyDeleteAnd whoa, Cas!
oh god, CAAAAAAAAAAS
ReplyDeleteyeh you go cas! you tell them to stop being in mature
ReplyDeletePretty sure the title is Torn and Frayed
ReplyDeleteYou tell them Cass!
ReplyDeleteAnd we have a very naughty Amanda Tapping here , can't wait!
Yay for Cas!!! But boo for him being manipulated :(
ReplyDeleteWHAT DID YOU DO TO CAS BIT**? Aint no messing with Hunter Cas!
ReplyDeleteI thought it said there was an all new ep next Wednesday?
ReplyDeleteHa, you tell 'em, Cas. He was a bit more blunt than Garth, but I guess that answers my question of how long it's going to take before the brothers work together again.
ReplyDeleteCas is all bluntness. He tells it how it is.
ReplyDeleteIt would make more sense, but every spoiler has read "Tom and Frayed". My eyes have been criss-crossed trying to make sure I was reading it right.
ReplyDeleteOne of the things I love about him!
ReplyDeleteCas: "What did you do to me?"
ReplyDeleteGahhh is it January 16 yet?
I really want to know what Naomi's up to and who is in Crowley's torture chair.
They were using the same "stay tuned" promo they use for all the episodes. CW's screwy like that.
ReplyDeleteAll things I like, no, love about him. :D
ReplyDeleteThis is going to be so good. The show is getting more and more intense and complicated. I like it.
ReplyDeletejan 16 we have to wait that long? man but its good to see cas back he will be the glue that keeps the boys together I hope are it just all lost.
ReplyDeleteAt 8 seconds Cas is in a chair. Naomi actually messing with his mind/head? How powerful is she?
ReplyDeleteOh gosh no! I can not wait! What has Naomi done to him?! I wonder if the one in the chair with Crowley is Samandriel.... Maybe that's the situation.... Samandriel is still being tored and being forced to give up some of Heaven's secrets to Crowley.... and Naomi's going to force Cas to go put a stop to it...
ReplyDeleteBased on what little I can make out of the clothing it does looks like Samandriel in the chair. This looks like such a good episode but I do have my worries for Castiel... sucks that we have to wait until January 16th! What nonsense is that?! :-P
ReplyDeleteYeah, I don't get it either... it doesn't make sense unless there's a character named Tom in it :P
ReplyDeleteMakes sense . Since we are getting closer to the end we need to find out more about the heaven and hell situation . I still wonder who is in charge of Heaven now . We know Crowley is in Heaven and tries to stay away from the boys as good as he can because he knows them but who is the one who controls Heaven .Wouldn't Gabriel be forced to replace Raphael and Micheal if he is still alive ? I am not buying it that Lucifer killed him, Gabriel would know that his big brother who taught him the trick would know about the trick
ReplyDeleteWho is the guy standing behind Crowley ? he has a similar coat to Cas but looks ticker from behind
ReplyDeleteAwww, don't say that... don't get my hopes up like that... It would be so cool if there was an episode where Dean and Sam find out that Gabriel is now running Heaven.... and he was still treating it a bit as a joke, and that that was how Naomi had so much power... Gabriel could hae created a new garrison and signed Naomi to it so he would hae less to deal with....
ReplyDeleteI want Gabriel back....
And I hope Samandriel is okay....
Looks good.
ReplyDeleteI don't see why Naomi would have to force Cas to stop it. He'd willingly stop it himself, because he said he wanted to help the angels/Heaven, and Samandriel knew him, so it's likely Cas knew him too.
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't want Gabriel being Naomi's boss. I do not like her or trust her at all.
ReplyDeleteGuess we'll find out when the actual episode airs.
ReplyDeleteThere's a Rolling Stones' song called "Torn and Frayed" with a line: "And his coat is torn and frayed / It's seen much better days. "
ReplyDeleteI think the title is probably a reference to that.
If Gabriel was Naomi's boss [who I don't trust either] I doubt he'd be keeping tabs on her. I think he'd just assign a bunch of angels to this new, super-secret angel garrison, then leave them be...
ReplyDeleteOooooh, it would be awesome if Gabriel Was alive, Was running Heaven, Had given Naomi authority over the super-secret garrison and that hr made his big return when Naomi got out of control/but her big secret plan into action and he helped Cas/the brothers defeat her... Or that he defeated her himself, alone, and no one realized he was still alive because he had created Naomi's garrison so he could stay dead....
*sigh* I highly doubt that's what will happen though...
Hmmm, maybe its cuz he had do do it in a way that will betray the Winchester brothers... or maybe they want to strike a deal with the King of Hell, something I doubt Cas wants to do again...
ReplyDeleteTV.com still shows the episode as being called "Don't Stop Believing"
ReplyDeleteYeah, I don't think the writers would consider something like that.
ReplyDeleteYeah, that's definitely not the title anymore. They change titles so much everyone is unconfused.
ReplyDeleteWhen you pause the video and start clicking around you can see a few key details that were just barely shown.
ReplyDeleteFor one, the guy in Crowley's torture chair does appear to be Samandriel, the poor angel we seen him torturing before. Beyond just doing that, there does seem to be something bigger going on than just extracting info from him. The guy in the room with Crowley isn't Cas. It appears whoever this is, is a doctor as the coat is long and actual looks white despite the tinting.
It makes sense because at another point, we see Cas lying down in a dentist like chair in a room that looks like it's apart of Naomi's office space. We also see a small clip of Cas freaking out and grabbing his head like there is something inside causing him pain. We do also see in a longer clip, him looking like he's not even home (creepy).
Lastly, the hardest clip to stop on, that is even covered up by graphics...
At first I thought Naomi's eyes looked black playing the video in normal time, but when I pause and click around trying to capture the right frame, I see they look non-demonic, but I see under the graphic they throw over her, her holding a drill or something like it.
Not sure what all it means.
I could see Crowley trying to tap into "Angel Radio," but then what is Naomi doing to Cas? Since it seems that it comes to their attention in heaven that this is happening, I can't help wonder if Naomi is going to order "radio silence" and she's hooking Cas up with a super secret channel or if she's putting a hole in his.... firewall.... that she can use to slip into Jimmy whenever she wants, pushing Cas into the background or something.
This has me scared for what's coming up for Cas ... although hopeful that Sam and Dean will realize that there's something going on that Cas isn't aware of. I agree that he'll probably be the glue to get the boys back on the same page which will be great. Seems like at least once a season they get mad at each other and that's realistic for brothers occupying the same car, the same hotel rooms and especially with going through what they go through on a normal day.
ReplyDeleteYeah I did the clicky thing too, but still couldn't make out all those things.
ReplyDeleteSomeone on youtube suggested Naomi could be doing something like a lobotomy on Cas. Yikes.
Another person also noted that Cas was bleeding out of one of his eyes when Dean asks if he's okay.
Lobotomy: http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/lobotomy.aspx
Yikes, Naomi better not screw up Cas's personality!