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6 Dec 2012

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285 comments:

  1. klutzy_girl6 December 2012 at 03:00

    That was awesome and I loved it!

    Still don't think Amelia is real. That was a completely weird overreaction to her showing up at the bar.

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  2. Jessie6 December 2012 at 03:01

    I'm convinced the show either dislikes Jared or hates the Sam character. Could they have found out about the vampire killings the same way they discover all other monster problems? No! Not when they have a chance to make Sam look like a f**king irresponsible idiot. Send the crazy guy to track the vampire. Then, of course, the show makes Martin provoke the poor sympatric vampire who is Dean's friend. Now, if Benny does start attacking people it will all be Sam's fault.

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  3. Megan_B6 December 2012 at 03:02

    I love many aspects of the episode, like Dean being ready to kill Benny if he was killing and Sam letting some time to Dean to check it out :)

    But I was disapointed in the end....I was expecting a lot more for a so-call cliffhanger :(


    At least the promo for next motnh look great :D

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  4. MarissaAO6 December 2012 at 03:03

    I often don't feel tense when I watch SPN anymore, but I did this time and it was great.


    It hit all my emotional buttons. With Sam and Dean talking about trust (WOW that hurt). And Dean and Benny. And Benny defending his granddaughter. And Sam and Amelia.


    I literally squealed out loud when Sam turned around and saw Amelia there.


    Really strong episode.

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  5. Megan_B6 December 2012 at 03:08

    I'm with you :) Even if I was expecting more Winchester, I didn't mind too much cause I was really tense toward the end and thought Benny was dead for a moment

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  6. Misty Pebworth6 December 2012 at 03:10

    Kind of 'light' for going into a hiatus, but its a short hiatus so
    we'll get to see the results soon enough. I'm a little tired over the
    brothers bickering (and cracked up over Cas telling them to stow their
    crap in the next episode preview), but it /is/ pretty understandable.
    Sam's justified in believing that Dean's too close to this and not
    seeing the truth, and Dean really is seeing the truth and cares about
    his friend.

    Overall I liked the episode. BUT one thing
    I COULD NOT STAND was Dean telling Sam that Benny was the ONE person
    who had never let him down. That was NOT brotherly, and not right and
    absolutely the Worst possible thing you can say to your brother, or
    someone you want to convince to trust you. Frick, Dean needs a reality
    check sometimes.

    Love Benny. Can't help it, he's one
    of the more understandable characters at this point. Him and Cas make
    more sense then Dean and Sam now days.

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  7. KatAdams036 December 2012 at 03:11

    I'm in shock. That was horrible. Everything was exactly as it seems. Benny isn't evil, but he killed someone, but Sam is going to get the blame, not the monster that killed him. Dean decides to trick Sam into ditching Martin? WTF? It was slow and pointless. It showed nothing about the mythology and it had a lame cliffhanger. And the love triangle is real? Um, this is Supernatural. I'm not voting on this episode.

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  8. ZoeF6 December 2012 at 03:11

    Well mystery sloved:

    Loflin is the one who character assassinates the brothers, and seems to aim at Dean in particular.
    He's clearly the one who came up with the Dean kills innocent mother Amy storyline.
    Dabb is the one who back burners the brothers and gives guests the most to do.
    I hated that they had Dean responsible for that phone call. That will be as ugly as the Amy killing, I predict. And Sam's story has to be the worst, lamest one in all SPN history. Right when the action started and it would be brother mano a mano, they yank Sam out of the action.
    And so many unanswered holes, and not in the cliffhanger way, but in the "did they forget that" way. But I did love all the Benny side of the story, which I thought was very poignant, and the whole beginning when Sam & Dean were together. But wow, the melodrama is really annoying to me. Not entertaining at all.

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  9. Lilith Hellfire6 December 2012 at 03:12

    I usually take things when it comes to this show with a huge bag of rock salt as I result with in very low expectations and even now, I'm just like wow, way to screw the pooch, I just can't even express my disappointment right now without a long string of expletives.

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  10. ZoeF6 December 2012 at 03:14

    Yes, it was so good in the beginning, but everything after that phone call that yanked Sam away, was disappointing. [though the Benny parts were very good imo]

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  11. C P6 December 2012 at 03:18

    Great episode but ahhhhhh!

    So frustrated. Of course Martin went all hunter obsessed and threatened to kill Benny's great granddaughter (thanks SPN for ruining my opinion of another character). The way Martin acted, I'm not sure he wouldn't have gone through with it just so he could kill Benny, which is a scary thought. I don't think Martin should have been released from that mental institution. No hunter should EVER threaten an innocent person just to get to a creature they're hunting.

    Benny hadn't even done anything wrong (and he showed he could overcome his bloodlust) until Martin went the extra mille.



    Now I'm sure Benny won't last the season. Which is sad cause his character really grew on me this episode and it's all Martin's fault he vamped out.


    I like things not being black and white. It never has been, even on this show.


    As for Dean and Sam, gahhh so not the way I wanted it to end for the holidays.


    Can't wait for January 16th!

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  12. klutzy_girl6 December 2012 at 03:18

    The "love triangle" was quickly solved. Amelia's back with her husband and Sam's left. Wasn't that big of a deal.

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  13. rehabber6 December 2012 at 03:21

    DAMN, I was screaming at the TV AGAIN. Love this ep, was glad Dean called Sam to keep him out of harms way, and I am still trying to keep faith in Sam, but it is getting harder. Was glad Martin was the one killed, he was really an ass in this ep. Was sorry that Sam did not stick up for Dean when he cold-cocked him..that was not good.



    I still do not like Amelia and don't see what Sam sees in her...


    Still want Benny to say around, but am afraid Sam is going to go after him, because again, he does not want to listen.


    Every ep gets better than the last and will watch tomorrow with CC on to make sure I did not miss anything.

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  14. ZoeF6 December 2012 at 03:22

    Yes. I want Benny to live because he brings something unique. So now Dean will kill him. It's so obvious. The shocking thing would be keeping a new character around. I'd have liked Martin to live too. [I still haven't forgiven them for killing Rufus.]
    This writer obviously thrives on controversy and "Shock" as a replacement for good writing.

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  15. chris6846 December 2012 at 03:23

    I think there will always be a part of the fandom who will look for any opportunity to attack Sam, and they'll use this against him, but I think Sam came out more ahead in this one than Dean. Yes, Sam brought Martin into this, but Sam had Martin on a leash until Dean sent him off on a wild goose chase.


    This paralleled the Amy episode in that it started with the brothers not communicating. It continued with Sam being honest and direct with Dean. And it ended with Dean deceiving Sam. People will try to spin this as Sam being bad, but I think we give those people more power by listening to them and taking them seriously.

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  16. KatAdams036 December 2012 at 03:26

    I think it's just beginning, because Amelia is back in Sam life. She saw him at the end of the episode and came looking for him, so something is up. I think the melodrama is only beginning or why else would they have Amelia track Sam down at the bar?


    But I'm wondering who was standing outside the house in the season premiere.

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  17. rehabber6 December 2012 at 03:27

    You better not wait until the 16th, it comes back on the 9th.


    Not being about to figure out what is going to happen is one of the reasons I LOVE this show. ;)

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  18. Lissie_Bee6 December 2012 at 03:27

    Well I don't think Sam's going to forgive Dean for THAT one any time soon... and I get it. As much as I love Dean, he hasn't learned to give a little when it comes to their relationship as brothers. Yes, he's the older brother, and yes, I get that he's looking out for Sam, and yes, I get that there have been buckets of trust issues in the past... but I feel like that's a line that Sam's not okay with Dean having crossed.


    Incredibly strong episode overall, though. And I think that it finally cemented my like (I won't say love yet) for Benny. It was amazing to see him control himself the whole time... well, except for that little slip up at the end. But I don't know that I can begrudge him that one, since his family was being threatened. And Martin was kind of a grade A ass tonight. Ironically enough, he was more likable when he was crazy.

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  19. rehabber6 December 2012 at 03:28

    I don't think Dean will kill Benny over Martin, he told Sam he deserved it, but Sam of course would not listen.

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  20. klutzy_girl6 December 2012 at 03:28

    Like I said, still don't believe Amelia is real so not buying that just yet.



    And me too!

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  21. chris6846 December 2012 at 03:29

    I think Dean called Sam to keep Benny out of harms way, but it turned out his plan backfired. Sam was in control when he was with Martin, and Sam was being reasonable, but Martin unleashed turned out to be a bigger threat. Looks like Dean should have trusted his brother a little more. Now Benny has the bloodlust back and will need to be put down.

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  22. Megan_B6 December 2012 at 03:30

    If it turn out to be a love triangle for the sake of being love triangle I'll dislike it, maybe as much as you, but I'm waiting to see what Carver met with this tying with the story. I have to say, when Sam turn back, I was expecting him to get face to face with our mystery man(or woman...) who was spying on him in the premiere. There's something not right in this picture

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  23. Lisa6 December 2012 at 03:32

    So PLEASE can we all agree that Amelia is real???

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  24. Andrezza6 December 2012 at 03:32

    Carver I definitely support it. Supernatural is awesome and I'm happy as hel*.

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  25. percysowner6 December 2012 at 03:34

    Nope, IMHO the show has decided that it is Dean the perfect and Sam the screwup who should be dumped by the side of the road and shot by Dean. There is no compassion for Sam, he is NEVER, EVER right. I had hopes that Carver MIGHT at least provide balance, but once again Dean=right Sam=wrong.

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  26. Charlene Buchanan6 December 2012 at 03:35

    the 9th ?x it said 16th

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  27. Lissie_Bee6 December 2012 at 03:36

    I'm with @chris684:disqus on this one - I don't think that Dean's concern was for Sam's safety at all, which is a radical change. I think he was trying to keep Benny safe from Sam's distrust... mistrust? I love Dean, but I think he came out as the unreasonable one tonight. I get that he wanted to trust Benny, since they've been through a lot together, but he was a little blind to how it looked from the outside.

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  28. Andrezza6 December 2012 at 03:37

    She is real, it is real and I'm happy for this. xD

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  29. percysowner6 December 2012 at 03:37

    Except the show is adamant that Sam is ALWAYS, ALWAYS wrong. So Sam will get blamed for Benny's actions and trashed again.

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  30. ZoeF6 December 2012 at 03:39

    True. That last convo did have Dean trying to justify Benny. But I'm guessing they'll now have Benny unable to conrol himself or something. At this point, SPN always goes for the melodramatic ending, and Dean killing Benny would be it.
    I'm hoping Benny's popularity will keep him alive and guesting for many moons to come.

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  31. chris6846 December 2012 at 03:39

    Sam never argued for killing Benny if Benny wasn't killing humans. Sam doesn't know Benny, Dean hasn't given Sam a reason to trust Benny since Dean has been lying about Benny's existence since he's been back from Purgatory, and all of the evidence looked like Benny was one doing the killing, and that Dean was too close to see the truth. So Sam, like Martin, believed Benny was murdering the people. Sam was acting consistently with the way he's been since the start of the series - sympathetic when he has a reason to be, but willing to make the hard decisions when a sympathetic monster needs to be put down (i.e., Madison).

    I agree with you though about the Metamorphosis feel to it - the tragic story of a monster who doesn't want to be a monster, but is turned into one by a hunter who can't trust him. Now Benny has tasted blood again and it will be much harder to control his urges.

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  32. C P6 December 2012 at 03:39

    I heard 9th too, but they could have changed it. I keep an eye out always, so I won't miss it either way. :)

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  33. Charlene Buchanan6 December 2012 at 03:39

    kjklkdklddjddwld no words of how awsome this was woooow spn just keeps getting better and better ..Love the tense's of it i have not felt any tense's since s5 of spn..But this ep had it all!...I actually thought this ep would be a let down but it wasn't and all...Dean and Sam are both in the right they just need to see that and grow the hell up..I do get why Dean was Angry and to go behind is back ..But Sam was good in giving him time and Dean would have killed Benny ..The only thing Sam defo did wrong was ask Martin lol the nutter ,who was gonna kill the woman ..Sorry Dean is right Benny had the right to defend him self and kill Martin and Sam should listen to him because Dean listened to Sam ..The Cliffhanger was meh..lol could of been better but that's only because i dont like Amelia probz ..Does leave you wondering what happened to Benny ..Good actually to hear the bar music spn has always been kindy a sexy show (haha for me anyway) and with the music it made it have this feel to it . Dean flirting it was good to see that we haven't saw that in a long long time he deserves a little fun (hahah funny that benny was related to her though..Yehhhhhhh looks like Dean and Sam talk 16th of jan ep :) about time ...Dean was looking hot haha ok al not go on about that cause i will write a book by the time i am done on him ...But to be honest the show aint about how hunky the boys are, it never has been for me its how the show drags you in and the past few years it has not done that but this ep did 10 out of 10 for me again ! You rock Caver!

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  34. Megan_B6 December 2012 at 03:40

    I think I'm agreeing with you, that's something new. It's official, the world is ending soon. Damn, we'll never see the next episode ;)

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  35. chris6846 December 2012 at 03:41

    The show is adamant, or the online fandom? I see more balance on this than you do.

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  36. chris6846 December 2012 at 03:42

    thanks??? ... I think

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  37. rehabber6 December 2012 at 03:43

    Benny has been drinking human blood, just from a bag and I think the problem is going to be Sam going after him. I bet Benny will be fine with his control. Sam was not in very much control, Martin took Dean down and Sam did nothing. So yeah I can see Dean trusting Sam???

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  38. C P6 December 2012 at 03:43

    I actually found myself agreeing with Dean tonight. He would have killed Benny if he found out Benny was at fault. But he wasn't. Martin and Sam were all slash happy. Which isn't like old Sam, who used to at least listen. I wonder if it was Ruby that made him strive for a black and white view or if it is more recent?

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  39. Megan_B6 December 2012 at 03:43

    Sam was right about Molly, about Lenore, about Cass in the S7 premiere...the list goes on. Some fans just only see the time he was wrong

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  40. rehabber6 December 2012 at 03:44

    I think she is real, just not the way Sam is seeing it....PLEASE, I want so badly to believe in Sam, but they are making it very hard right now.

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  41. Megan_B6 December 2012 at 03:47

    I'm sorry I just had to say. I love that we usually have very different opinions cause if everyone was the same if wouldn't be fun. Debating is fun.


    I just never thought we'll agree on something one day and I don't say that in a bad way :) Like I just said, I love different opinions :)

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  42. rehabber6 December 2012 at 03:47

    On spoilerTV under the eps it was listed as the 9, but now 2 eps are listed as 16th, but like I said neither are on a Wed, so don't really know when it is coming back. It was also listed as 9 on a statement put out by CW.

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  43. C P6 December 2012 at 03:47

    Yeah Dean and Sam are being unreasonable. This whole not listening thing is not working for either of them.


    I cracked up over Cas telling them that too. XD

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  44. Peter Nguyen6 December 2012 at 03:49

    You got it a little mixed up, check your calender for 2013, January 9th and 16th are both on Wednesday, but both dates for 2012 are on Mondays. They most likely changed the date the 16th, don't know why and which they didn't because I can't wait five friken weeks!

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  45. Charlene Buchanan6 December 2012 at 03:49

    oh that's really weird :/ dont know when to tune in then ...Am sure they will update it though

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  46. C P6 December 2012 at 03:50

    Yes I was so sure the mystery person would pop up. I want to know!

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  47. Lissie_Bee6 December 2012 at 03:50

    I don't doubt for a second that Dean would have taken care of Benny if he actually WAS the one killing... I just think he was a little too close to the situation at the start. He was so determined to believe Benny was innocent he was blind to how things looked - but I guess it's not as big of a thing since Benny wasn't the one doing the killing. People would be having a much different conversation if he'd done it haha

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  48. Mrs. Peele6 December 2012 at 03:51

    I really enjoyed tonight's episode although they still left a few things out I thought they said they would give us. I just couldn't believe Martin. He should never have been let out of the hospital. He looked in worse shape tonight than he did in s.5 when we first met him. And so out of control! Well, we met 'Don' and apparently Amelia has decided to stay with him. I have my doubts about Amelia being real too but since Dean sent Sam a message from her phone and we saw her facing him at the end in 'real time', I don't know. Although Sam just up and leaving Martin all alone on the road to run back to Amelia in Texas w/o CALLING her number back doesn't sound believable to me. I do not think Dean will go after Benny and he will move on. I do hope we see him again though. Dean keeps harping on how Benny hasn't let him down. He only knew him in Purgatory for one year or maybe less since we don't exactly know when they met. Benny needed him to get out so this was a mutual arrangement. Sam had his faults but HE is Dean's brother and should come first. They both kept secrets. Most of this season seems to be almost surreal; maybe Sam had a breakdown and this is part of it???

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  49. chris6846 December 2012 at 03:52

    I think Sam was holding back a lot out of respect for Dean. He gave Dean time even though he had every reason to believe that Benny was guilty and Dean was too emotionally involved to see it. You have to keep in mind that we, the audience, have seen a lot more of Benny than Sam was. If we had never seen Benny's story in the vampirates episode, or heard what he told Dean about his family in this episode, but only knew what Sam knew, would we have believed him? If it was your call, and there were people being murdered, would you have given him the benefit of the doubt?

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  50. rehabber6 December 2012 at 03:53

    LOL, right Dec 21 is the end, great time to take my Christmas gifts back.

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  51. C P6 December 2012 at 03:53

    From next episode's promo, not long. But they will not have dealt with their issues.

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  52. chris6846 December 2012 at 03:54

    I'm just joking. There are a lot of people who I don't agree with often, but whose opinions I respect.

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  53. C P6 December 2012 at 03:55

    I forgot to mention I liked when Dean got out of the handcuffs. Reminded me of season one. People really need to check for paper clips when they handcuff Dean.

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  54. Charlene Buchanan6 December 2012 at 03:57

    to be honest i just think they need to agree to disagree they are never going to agree on this ..But it wasn't that long ago when Sam helped the vamp in blood lust ..i think dean is till hurting for sam not looking for him and thats why he said they nasty things , plus he went behind his back...still you say stuff in the heat of the moment ..sam and dean were both right but sam shouldn't of let martin on the case

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  55. rehabber6 December 2012 at 03:58

    This is not TVD and just because Benny had "live" blood does not mean he will go off the rails, he has been drinking blood from a bag. I am keeping my fingers crossed anyway, as I really do like Benny. He has added to the show like Castiel did.

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  56. Charlene Buchanan6 December 2012 at 03:59

    lol.. true

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  57. C P6 December 2012 at 04:00

    Just keep an eye out for it when the dates come around.

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  58. Megan_B6 December 2012 at 04:00

    ''Dean keeps harping on how Benny hasn't let him down. He only knew him in Purgatory for one year or maybe less since we don't exactly know when they met''

    that's why I don't give too much thoughts on Dean's sentence. If Benny stay for a long period, pretty sure at some point he will let Dean down, just like every single character on the show (and everyone in everyone's life in reality) at some point.

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  59. Peter Nguyen6 December 2012 at 04:01

    haha ya. Reminded me in season 5 episode 4, "The End". Even future dean should have known better to lock himself in handcuffs.

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  60. ZoeF6 December 2012 at 04:01

    Yes, they were both so reasonable in the first half. It went haywire with Sam complicit after Martin cold-cocked Dean and cuffing him, then leaving with Martin to kill Benny. Dean made a strong case, and I was surprised Sam would go behind his back like that - out of character compared to how reasonabke he started.
    And I also can't believe Dean went behind Sam's back and used Amelia against him, though I understand he was protecting Benny - which Sam's cuffing him made clear was necessary.
    Loflin's characterizations of Sam and Dean always leave me feeling they're both a little out of character. Sometimes inconsistent within the same episode.

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  61. Charlene Buchanan6 December 2012 at 04:02

    :) yep x

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  62. rehabber6 December 2012 at 04:02

    I just keep thinking back to Soulless Sam and before I knew that was the problem, saying there is just something off about Sam...well I feel the same way now, Sam is just not right.

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  63. Megan_B6 December 2012 at 04:03

    ;) Now January need to come faster so we can start to disagree again

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  64. ScottA6 December 2012 at 04:03

    Hopefully this will provide a nice stepping stone into a mini-arc with the Alpha Vamp. Maybe Carver's setting up the end-all in the Winchester Saga. Hasn't everything from "The End" come to fruition in one way or another so far? Maybe they eventually don't see each other for a while and have to re-unite to fight the common enemy.

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  65. percysowner6 December 2012 at 04:04

    Of course Benny won't go off the rails. Dean is always right about these things, Sam is always wrong.

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  66. percysowner6 December 2012 at 04:06

    Good Lord! Do you honestly think Dean will ever be wrong when HE trusts a monster? Because Benny is safe as houses. He will return to his vegetarian ways and Dean will hit Sam over the head with his mistake again and again.

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  67. SuePo6 December 2012 at 04:08

    Wow! That was all kinds of tense. I loved it. There were a few things I had to shake my head at, but all in all a well done episode. Dean was pretty straight forward and mature in his reasoning all the way through. When Sam first told him he put Martin on Benny, his only reaction was shock that "Mostly OK Martin" was hunting at all. He agreed to check it out, much to Sam's surprise. But Martin's theory did have holes in it and Dean wasn't going to gank a friend just on the nutjob hunter's say so. It was very mature of Sam to give him the couple of hours, but I couldn't figure out why he was OK with Martin knocking his brother out and leaving him handcuffed to a radiator. Really, Sam? You're that convinced Benny is bad? Because of what? Martin's say so? The fact that Dean trusts him? Sam's reaction to Benny hasn't added up since they met, this was just more of the same.

    What really made me shake my head in amazement was after Sam lectured Dean about 'the innocent victims' he gets a text from Amelia and abandons the hunt? Leaving Mostly OK Martin in the middle of the woods alone? With vampires around? Kind of unprofessional, wouldn't you say. Of course it wasn't Amelia at all, it was Dean knowing his little brother better than Sam knows himself. It was a cheap trick, but after what happened in the motel room, I can understand Dean's need to buy some time and get Sam out of the way until he could take care of things without Martin or Sam jumping to conclusions and killing the wrong vamp.



    Benny's willingness to lay down his life for Elizabeth was touching, and I hope we find out exactly what went down in the diner. Again, it comes down to the perception of who is the real monster. Benny was innocent and even managed to stop the vamp who was killing. Martin terrorized an innocent woman, cut her with a knife and used her to lure Benny -- not because Benny was a threat, but because Martin couldn't see anything other than black and white. I don't think Martin was ready to go back into the hunting world. He was trying too hard to prove he could, and he paid the price.


    So now Sam is hanging up on Dean, and, from the previews, running away. Again. Without being willing to listen to an explanation -- one Dean obviously got from Elizabeth, not Benny -- there is no way Sam can deal with or get past whatever problem he has with Dean's relationship with Benny. Glad Cas makes them both put their squabbling on the back burner next episode, but the tension is very well played and I'm dying to find out how they resolve it.


    As for the little Sam/Amelia/Don love triangle thing. I still don't care. I'm still waiting for the point of it all and how -- or if -- it ties into anything that's going on with the mythology. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. Whatever. :) But the Sam & Dean tension is peaking, so I'm very invested in that and how they manage to resolve it and stay working together, and whether they can still find their way back to trusting each other and the family business. Strong stuff.

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  68. rehabber6 December 2012 at 04:08

    Well DOH, I was looking at the calendar on my computer, changed to 2013, but did NOT change the month to Jan. If the is the worse thing I do this week, it will end up a good one. lol Thanks, I could not figure out why both dates were wrong.

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  69. percysowner6 December 2012 at 04:09

    IMHO, the SHOW is adamant that Sam is wrong. Dean trusts Benny, Benny is trustworthy until stupid, unreasonable Sam brings in Martin and Martin forces Benny off the rails. From here on out Dean will blame Sam for any kill Benny makes and we will be expected to accept that. Sam is SO stupid that Dean can fool him into trying to save an Amelia who is just fine. The SHOW has made it clear that Dean should dump Sam and hunt with Benny the good, instead of Sam the betrayer.

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  70. ZoeF6 December 2012 at 04:10

    I agree with much of this. I hated that Dean made that phone call. He was wrong to do that. But Sam had already allowed Martin to knock him out, and they cuffed him and went to kill Benny behind his back, after the strong case he made. I hoped Sam would just go with Dean to help them or to kill Benny if it proved wrong. That was Dean's mind-set when he made that call - Sam had made the first move. But the call was still wrong, ruthless, and damn clever as well.

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  71. rehabber6 December 2012 at 04:11

    Arrow and SPN are the only shows I watch the night they are on, and I would not watch Arrow then, if it did not come on before my all time favorite series. ;) So yes, will watch for that date.

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  72. chris6846 December 2012 at 04:13

    But Sam did listen. Hunters kill vampires - no questions asked - and Sam's been a hunter his whole life


    The fact that Sam investigated first means that he was trying to give Dean the benefit of the doubt. The fact that Sam confronted Dean directly rather than going behind Dean's back when he heard evidence that Benny was killing means Sam was trying to work with Dean. The fact that Sam gave Dean a couple of hours after Martin produced very strong evidence that Benny was killing means that Sam was listening.


    Listening doesn't mean that you can't have your own opinions, and act on those opinions if you've heard what the other person is saying and you still feel they are wrong.

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  73. Charlene Buchanan6 December 2012 at 04:13

    Good review must say agree

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  74. SuePo6 December 2012 at 04:14

    I'm with you. Dean tricked Sam to keep him from going after Benny because he doesn't want either of them to get hurt by the other. And one of them would. He was protecting both until he could take care of the real problem since Sam wasn't willing to listen and Benny was willing to leave. Dean was the only one in control as far as I could tell. Sam wasn't -- he allowed Martin to cold-cock his brother and left him handcuffed to a radiator. Then he left Martin alone and exposed (knowing full well Martin was dealing with a full deck) in the middle of the woods with a vampire threat in town.


    And Benny, he wasn't about to lay low because he wanted to end the vamp who was trying to keep him from his quiet life in his home. With neither Sam or Benny backing off, Dean had little choice but to take one out of the equation. He knows what buttons to push for Sam, so he was the obvious choice.

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  75. chris6846 December 2012 at 04:14

    I just thought of another parallel to the Amy episode. Amy killed to save her son. Benny killed to save his great granddaughter.

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  76. Charlene Buchanan6 December 2012 at 04:15

    oh my i hope that happens (without dean dying of course lol)

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  77. ZoeF6 December 2012 at 04:17

    I hoped Sam would trust Dean and go hunt with him. If Dean was right, great, if not, 3 hunters would take Benny down. And I hoped that that Dean would trust Sam as well.
    I love this season but what Carver is doing to the brother's relationship disgusts me - it feels like cheap melodrama. I was giving the benefit of the doubt, but halfway in, I see no sense to it or that it's going towards a goal.

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  78. Lissie_Bee6 December 2012 at 04:17

    This is true - I may be mixing up two of the events. He hung up on Dean at the end, not wanting to hear what he had to say about his reasons for switching Amelia's phone with a burner. But he did give Dean a few hours to investigate on his own before grabbing a machete to take care of Benny anyway.

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  79. Lissie_Bee6 December 2012 at 04:18

    Yeah, I just saw that haha. Good thing they have Cas to call them out this time.

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  80. rehabber6 December 2012 at 04:19

    Well you can't get blood out of a turnip, so what kind of veggie would a vamp eat?? Benny uses blood bags.

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  81. rehabber6 December 2012 at 04:24

    Nope that does not cut it, the people Amy killed was not trying to kill her son, Benny killed to protect a human.

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  82. ZoeF6 December 2012 at 04:24

    Forgot to say, loved the music choice.

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  83. Charlene Buchanan6 December 2012 at 04:27

    do you know who sings it xx

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  84. chris6846 December 2012 at 04:28

    Or Benny killed to save himself. He could have let Martin kill him and Elizabeth would have been fine. He knew Martin was a hunter and killed monsters, not humans. Amy never had the option to sacrifice herself for her son.

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  85. rehabber6 December 2012 at 04:28

    Dean is the one that always killed vamps, no questions asked, until Sam told him there were shades of gray, and let a whole nest go. So again Sam is not acting like Sam.

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  86. Charlene Buchanan6 December 2012 at 04:30

    defo spn rocks better than ever omg ! i am so chuffed carver is saving the show

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  87. chris6846 December 2012 at 04:30

    The thing is that Sam believed Benny was killing humans, so he didn't see gray there - just blood red.

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  88. jensenfan19786 December 2012 at 04:36

    This episode had it all. I loved the feeling of family Benny had for his granddaughter. He would have done anything for her. Martin was still insane. Terribly so. Sam was very wrong in using him. The talk about trust between Sam and Dean was rough and very painful. Dean put his trust in Benny as he has for Sam in the past. I'm glad it was respected and honored. What happened with Martin would have been beyond Benny's ability to deal with. I have this gut feeling that Sam is going to hunt him and it scares me, because, at this point, I'm on Benny's side. I am wondering what Amelia is going to tell Sam. It's not a flashback now. Smart of Dean to do what he did to remove Sam from the vicinity. He is still smarter than his brother gives him credit for. I liked that.


    All in all I support Carver 100%. He is taking us in new directions. I can't remember the last time I sat on the edge of my seat, talking to the t.v.. I didn't want Sam involved in the hunt. I didn't want to see Benny be killed. It seems weird for Dean and Sam to be driving separate vehicles. My only thought is Sam left. He needs to learn to trust Dean's instincts. Dean is no full.

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  89. sharonally6 December 2012 at 04:44

    Benny will be safe he has two things going for him , he is associated with Dean and the writers like him . Sam cant make a thought without it in some way trespassing on Dean or Dean's sensibility's. Dean's trust with Sam . Sam went through all that in the cage and what for to have his brotherhood thrown back in his face so Dean can have Benny.

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  90. ScottA6 December 2012 at 04:49

    He did do a nice job on Gordon with that razor wire.

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  91. rehabber6 December 2012 at 04:50

    Y'all want Dean to trust Sam, so why not have Sam trust Dean once in a while. He did not know Benny was killing and did not trust Dean to do the right thing if he was. So he goes off with Martin and left Dean handcuffed and out cold, bleeding. This is not our Sam.

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  92. C P6 December 2012 at 04:52

    Yeah you'd think he'd have known himself better. lol

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  93. rehabber6 December 2012 at 04:53

    So you were just talking to the TV, I was screaming at it. I am LOVING this season and happy that Carver is back and you are right, it has been a long time since I was white knuckling it during an ep. AWESOME

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  94. nellymendezcolon6 December 2012 at 04:54

    ..Someone could explain to me ..!WHAT IN HELL ..!!..is happening to SAM is trust issues are to far OFF..put a crazy hunter following BENNY..may be i will had some bad reaction about my next comment .BUT I AM GLAD THE DESTINY THAT STUPID AND CRAZY HUNTER .if his granddaughter did it a BIG CLAP FOR HER.but the last scene CONFUSE ME..why amelia is in the town..???

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  95. ZoeF6 December 2012 at 04:58

    You know, Ty Olsson's acting was really great in this. The guy who played Martin as well. I have complaints about the broters characterization in the last third of the episode, but the acting from all of them including Jensen and Jared, was really outstanding.

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  96. C P6 December 2012 at 04:59

    But Sam hasn't always been that way. Dean used to be like Sam is now. Kill first, ask questions later. It was Sam in the past who convinced Dean to let Lenore and her buddies go. And Sam was willing to let Amy go in Season 6, when he knew her less longer than Dean knew Benny.

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  97. Charlene Buchanan6 December 2012 at 05:00

    maby it will explain that in next weeks ep , good point though

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  98. rehabber6 December 2012 at 05:01

    Amelia was in her town, Sam had gone to a bar.

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  99. C P6 December 2012 at 05:02

    Honestly, I'd suspect he was the killer, but I'd have gone with Dean and made sure that was the case instead of just assuming.


    If Sam was a cop that would be considered poor police work. Innocent until proven guilty, anyone?

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  100. nellymendezcolon6 December 2012 at 05:04

    the last scene was a sam flashback...????

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  101. ScottA6 December 2012 at 05:04

    It's also my wife's birthday. We'll see what the Mayans have planned.

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  102. C P6 December 2012 at 05:05

    Yep, Loflin was the half of the team causing the character issues huh? Cause Dabb I thought did good character wise last episode.

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  103. ScottA6 December 2012 at 05:06

    Maybe the boys should have tracked and whacked some Mayans before the 21st. But that would create a crossover with Sons of Anarchy.

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  104. C P6 December 2012 at 05:09

    Yeah, especially with Cas in Season 7 premiere. He reached out to him when no one else would, even after all Cas did, and it would have paid off if not for the Leviathans sticking around.

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  105. C P6 December 2012 at 05:13

    Personally I think the Mayan writing the calendar just died of old age..or boredom. lol

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  106. SuePo6 December 2012 at 05:14

    Sam didn't investigate. He took Martin's word. Yes, he gave Dean a couple of hours, ut when Dean came back with a different scenario -- that there was another vamp doing the killing -- Sam completely dismissed it. There was no investigating. He decided Benny was guilty based solely on Martin's one encounter. That's not listening. That's judging without all the facts. Actually with no facts.

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  107. SuePo6 December 2012 at 05:15

    And it turned out he was wrong. Benny wasn't killing anyone.

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  108. C P6 December 2012 at 05:15

    Well you got Dabb and Loflin right apparently. I personally liked Dabb's work. Not like he writes every episode and at least he gets characters right, which is more important to me.

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  109. ZoeF6 December 2012 at 05:18

    Creedence Crealwater Revival "Born on the Bayou" :)

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  110. ScottA6 December 2012 at 05:18

    Really wanted Martin (Uncle Rico) to be driving the same van he did in Napoleon Dynamite. Sam was just acting like a guy in a love that he can't have. Maybe penance is the common thread. Cas rambled on about a self-inflicted penance last week. Sam "took the high road" by stepping out when Demon Don came back. (Sam's self-inflicted penance for not looking for Dean.) Dean's penance? Don't know yet buy I DO LOVE the way he and Benny shake hands.


    And Sam's crazy triangle thing hitting way to close to home for the big guy here. Plus he's stealing my long hair look. He just pulls it off a little better.

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  111. C P6 December 2012 at 05:18

    Yeah, nobody's perfect. Everyone's going to let someone else down for some reason or other eventually.

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  112. ZoeF6 December 2012 at 05:19

    Yeah you can really tell this guy had alot to do with the Amy storyline.

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  113. chris6846 December 2012 at 05:25

    Sorry, but I'm laughing a little at the idea of the hunters we've seen on Supernatural waiting until they have evidence beyond a reasonable doubt before ganking the monsters. I'm picturing Bobby and Rufus trapping a demon and debating the evidence before they decide whether to kill it or let it go.

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  114. Dahne6 December 2012 at 05:26

    No. The last scene is real time. Sam was still in Kermit, Texas after checking up on Amelia there. Amelia saw Sam outside the window and found him in the bar. We are supposed to learn more about what this story line means in the second half of the season, pretty early on.

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  115. SuePo6 December 2012 at 05:27

    I agree. Dean took a machete with him. He obviously intended to do his job if it turned out Benny was guilty. If he even had one doubt about Benny's story, I think he would've done what was necessary. Sam has been out to ice Benny since the moment he met him, and I have no idea why. It's like he has a blind spot for some unknown reason. Dean saying that Benny has never let him down probably rubs salt in an old wound, but Dean is at least being honest and trying to get Sam to see past the surface, but like you said, Sam isn't listening.

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  116. Dahne6 December 2012 at 05:27

    I was glad that Martin died too. He was 10 pounds of crazy in a 1 pound bag. Good riddance.

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  117. C P6 December 2012 at 05:29

    Dean singing was fun too. I didn't know he did that that often. lol


    I have a habit of singing along with music too.

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  118. ZoeF6 December 2012 at 05:30

    Me too. To me characterization of Dean & Sam is the most important to me. Even though I thought the Benny story was amazing, and the acting perfect, those few issues I had, really dominated for me. It wouldn't matter to me as much if there hadn't been so much OOC over the last years.

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  119. chris6846 December 2012 at 05:32

    Sam subcontracted the job of investigating, but it was still investigating. And Martin came up with a strong case. He had been minutes behind Benny when he stumbled upon a vampire murder. A good lawyer might have been able to poke holes in it in a court of law, but hunters regularly kill monsters with no body at all.


    All Dean had the word of vampire. It wasn't like Dean had any evidence of Benny's innocence, just his blind faith in a vampire.

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  120. SuePo6 December 2012 at 05:33

    I don't know, I think Dean is stuck between two hard-headed, stubborn people he wants to protect. He doesn't want a conflict between Sam and Benny, but it seems Sam has a real problem with Benny (which is really unexplained outside of the fact that he's a vampire) and Benny isn't the type to back down. So to keep them from confrontation with each other where one would end up hurt or dead, he manipulated the situation to avoid that. He knows how to manipulate Sam, so he was the obvious choice. Get him out of the way and then solve the problem without having to potentially lose someone he cares about. It was a sneaky trick, but it was a way to avoid a confrontation that in his mind is loose/loose. If Sam kills Benny without a good reason, Dean would have a hard time forgiving Sam. And if Benny ended up the victor, Dean could never forgive Benny. What else was he supposed to do?

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  121. C P6 December 2012 at 05:33

    The demons never claim to be innocent.


    I think SPN has made it clear demons have the least chance of being good out of all creatures. Vampires and others in past have proven to not be as plan good or bad. Some choose to go against temptation.

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  122. C P6 December 2012 at 05:36

    Sam argued over Amy in the episode with Garth, so it's probably a bit of a grudge too.

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  123. ScottA6 December 2012 at 05:38

    Wouldn't necessarily say blind faith. They fought together an entire year in purgatory. Gotta be some trust built there.

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  124. SuePo6 December 2012 at 05:41

    Very good police analogy. :) Sam made an assumption without any facts or evidence. He didn't make any attempt to find out if there was another vamp as Dean had said. He was willing to dismiss Benny's claim and go on crazy Martin's word. As it turns out, Martin wasn't all that stable.

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  125. chris6846 December 2012 at 05:43

    Technically Sam has known Amy since he was about 14 years old, but that's beside the point. We've never been given any indication that what Amy told Sam wasn't the truth so the argument that Dean knows Benny better is a moot point.


    I would argue that Sam in this episode is like he always was. He questions things and stands up for his point of view when he disagrees. He went through a period when he was over-empathizing with monsters because he feared he was turning into one himself and needed to believe they could be saved, but that bit him in the ass every time. That's how he ended up with Ruby. And one of his arguments to Dean in this episode is that these types of decisions always end badly for them.


    I don't think Sam was "kill first, ask questions" here. He asked a lot of questions before he agreed with Martin that the evidence pointed to Benny being the murderer - and if they didn't act, more people would get killed. I think Sam's been questioning Dean's emotional stability since Dean got out of Purgatory, and Dean's unquestioning faith in a monster is reason for Sam to worry.

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  126. SuePo6 December 2012 at 05:44

    Hope you and your wife celebrate like it's the end of the world!! :)

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  127. chris6846 December 2012 at 05:46

    Sam trusts Dean quite often, but Dean hasn't seemed very emotionally stable since he got out of Purgatory. Sam was right to question things.

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  128. SuePo6 December 2012 at 05:48

    I have wondered if they would bring the Alpha Vamp into this whole thing. He's not on the Winchester's Christmas card list, but he would be an interesting character to involve considering the circumstances. I also wonder if they are going to have the month pass on the show or if episode 10 takes place only a little while after the end of this one.

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  129. chris6846 December 2012 at 05:48

    Well, it looked like Benny was feeding, and hunters routinely kill vampires for much less. Sam and Dean both agreed to kill the blond vampire in Fresh Blood even though she had just turned and hadn't even realized she was killing.

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  130. SuePo6 December 2012 at 05:52

    Martin had her tied up, used a knife on her and threatened to kill her. He looked entirely unstable. I don't think Benny was gullible enough to believe Martin would let her go if he sacrificed himself. It comes down to who was more of a monster here? Benny or Martin? In my opinion, it was Martin who threatened and terrorized an innocent. Benny was willing to walk away from her even though she was his only family simply to keep her from being dragged into his world. Martin dragged her in anyway.

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  131. sharonally6 December 2012 at 05:54

    Nothing he can support Benny. He doesnt trust Sam , he doesnt even like Sam , it wasnt a hard decision for him he has been telling Sam who the better brother is. Making the call was not a hard decision for him , tossing it up Benny or Sam keeping Benny safe was his top priority and thats what he did .

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  132. SuePo6 December 2012 at 05:55

    I agree. Ty is really well cast as Benny. He and Jensen really do work well together. And Martin was perfect. He came across as an unstable guy who was trying so hard to prove he was OK. Too bad he crossed a line. But it was extremely well played.

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  133. SuePo6 December 2012 at 05:57

    No. Sam ran off when he got the text thinking Amelia was in trouble, and he saw Amelia and Don through the window looking all comfy cozy and happy. Then he went to a bar and figured out it was Dean who'd sent the text. After hanging up on Dean, he turned to leave and there she was. Apparently Amelia had seen him outside her house and followed him to the bar.

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  134. Hallichester6 December 2012 at 05:58

    The only thing that kept me tuned in during this episode is the Dean-Benny scenes. I never thought I'd be one to say it but every time Sam and Dean were onscreen together, I wanted to just close my damn laptop and not have to look at them arguing.

    Sam has been made into this annoying character who just keeps having flashbacks every time something happens. It's like we are watching a soap opera, not Supernatural. Amelia just doesn't appeal to me since the beginning, and the Sam-Amelia-Dan love triangle they've got going on just plain pisses me off. I have had enough of love triangles on TVD as it is. I don't need one on Supernatural as well.

    Martin, crazy Martin! By the end of the episode, I was hoping fervently that he died and as Dean crept closer to the body in the bar, I was saying "Let it be Martin" over and over until he came into view and I sighed in relief. "Good".

    And now apparently we've got an off-the-wagon Benny. This episode really served to warm me up to him.


    It was a pretty poor midseason finale and if I wasn't a loyal fan of the show, I wouldn't have come back in January for the next episode. No matter how bad the episodes are, I can't keep myself from watching the next each week. Till January 9 now. :/

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  135. SuePo6 December 2012 at 06:00

    Ha! Turnip. :)

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  136. C P6 December 2012 at 06:01

    I had thought they'd already overcome that part of "The End" universe when Dean and Sam teamed up again at the end of the episode.


    And while a lot of things in that verse came true, there's still some stuff that didn't.

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  137. chris6846 December 2012 at 06:01

    I think Benny understood why Martin was hunting him and that Elizabeth wasn't Martin's target.


    Another thing Benny could have done was disable Martin and give him to Dean to deal with. He obviously had the upper hand at some point. He didn't have to kill Martin and feed off of him.

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  138. SuePo6 December 2012 at 06:05

    I agree! Even though there is a lot of conflict between the brothers, I am so invested in what happens that I find myself talking to the TV, too! It's great! I don't think I did that the last couple of years. I also think that so far, Carver has a much better grasp on what to do with Cas, so I'm actually not dreading his return like I've done before. I'm actually interested in what Naomi and Heaven are trying to do and how that all ties in with the tablets and the Winchesters. I loved all the Purgatory flashbacks and find myself hoping Benny doesn't go off the deep end because it would be nice to have a sympathetic monster's perspective once in a while.

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  139. SuePo6 December 2012 at 06:07

    I just want to know how the whole Amelia thing ties into... anything. I'd settle for any reasonable connection.

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  140. chris6846 December 2012 at 06:08

    Well, substitute in monster for demon in then. It still works. Picture Bobby and Rufus trapping a rugaru and debating the evidence before they decide whether to kill it or let it go.


    I'm starting to get repetitive here, but Sam asking Martin to follow Benny was Sam checking for proof.

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  141. Wolfnight6 December 2012 at 06:08

    Benny really grew on me [or better said, finally grew on me] in this episode, especially after the scene with Benny, Martin and Benny's great grandaughter...
    I really hate how they made Martin though... he wasn't such a jerk in his first episode...

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  142. chris6846 December 2012 at 06:16

    Yeah, but Purgatory was a different environment where there weren't a lot of tasty human snacks walking around. Dean's knowledge of Benny comes from a very limited environment and is based on what Benny has chosen to tell him.

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  143. SuePo6 December 2012 at 06:17

    Since they don't really know why the Mayan Empire collapsed, maybe it was just because the calendar guy ran out of pencils? Quills? Chalk? Whatever.

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  144. SuePo6 December 2012 at 06:32

    And all Sam had was the word of a crazy ex-hunter who'd spent time in a looney bin because of job related stress. So it was Mostly OK Martin's word against Benny the Purgatory Buddy Vampire. Even Martin admitted that Benny had done nothing since he'd been there but had one incident where Martin didn't really see anything except a body and Benny in the vicinity. That's not a strong case. That's circumstantial and pretty weak at that. A lawyer would never even have to poke holes in that case since it would never go to court in the first place. And the vampire in question had fought with Dean for almost a year. He had his back and saved him (along with himself) from Purgatory. That's not blind faith, that's mutual trust borne of blood and battle. Dean is going to trust him until he has a reason not to. I'd take Benny's word over Martin's under the circumstances without batting an eye.

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  145. chris6846 December 2012 at 06:51

    Didn't they have a second body, with Dean witnessing Benny washing the blood off his hands? And Martin may have been institutionalized, but they had trusted his judgment on hunting before in Sam Interrupted. Martin had trouble dealing with the job-related stress, but there was never any indication that he was imagining things or making them up.

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  146. prpleight6 December 2012 at 06:52

    I suspect a number of posters will be annoyed that Sam and Dean are fighting again. When Martin made that comment about Dean picking a vampire over his brother the first thing that went through my head was...Sam chose a demon over his brother fair's fair. The brother dynamics were very interesting. The only thing that irked me was that final conversation. They totally 'soap operaed' it. Instead of getting to the point Dean starts by saying "He had it coming, Sam." Instead of just saying what happened. Total daytime soap ploy to drag stories out as long as possible. gah!


    Anyway, I liked 89% of this episode. Love Benny. I spent the whole ep worried that he was gonna live to the end of the end of the ep. When he put his head on the bar. Sam was completely wrong to let Marin back in the game.


    Why was it necessary to leave us hanging with regard to Benny's survival?


    This season is just making me nuts. I keep getting episodes like this one where I really like the main story. And then I get the Sam flashback stuff....which simply is not working for me. It's not connected to anything and it's all ultimately unimportant. If this backstory was conceived to explain an demonstrable change in Sam's behavior in the present....I don't see a demonstrable change in Sam that requires explanation. Amelia was never a permanent fixture on the canvas. So, there's no reason for me to care about her and anything that happens to her. Add to that the fact that the Sam fb content is all so NORMAL that it's boring. Hopefully the fact that Amelia appeared in teh present means we don't have to see the flashbacks anymore.

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  147. prpleight6 December 2012 at 06:55

    Sam went to Amelia because Dean sent a bogus text message to Sam implying that Amelia needed him. She saw Sam looking in the window and went to the bar to talk to him.

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  148. isleofskye6 December 2012 at 07:09

    Is this Supernatural or some crazy bizarro version where Sam and Dean never bonded and grew up hating one another?
    This season is complete and utter nonsense, in my opinion!


    How can Dean be so obsessed by Benny to the extent that he prefers him to his true brother.

    He only spent one year in purgatory with the vampire and although Benny fought at his side he had a selfish reason for doing it; that is getting out of Purgatory via Dean's body. Does Dean not take that into consideration?

    Then how many times has Sam saved Dean's life throughout their years together? Does that not count?

    Mr Carver expects me to believe that Benny is more important than Sam and Amelia is more important than Dean. No way!


    Then how can the writers push down our throats something so unbelievable as that Sam didn't look for Dean, even although at the end of season seven you could see that he was devastated by Dean's disappearance in the lab.


    This whole season for me is just wrong, wrong, wrong!
    Both brothers have morphed into unrecognisable alien versions of thenselves.

    What happened to the "We keep each other human." ?

    Maybe that phrase is truer than it seems, for being separated for a year and being at odds with one another has effectively taken away their humanity and love for each other.

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  149. tvmonkey6 December 2012 at 08:13

    episode 10 obviously, that was pretty much the cliffehanger
    what happens between Sam and Amelia? (dont have a clue)
    what happens between Sam and Dean? (will put aside their differences for the hunt/bigger picture)
    what happens to Benny now? (will now need to be put down)

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  150. tvmonkey6 December 2012 at 08:22

    Purgatory wasnt exactly a testing environment for Benny , there was no temptation there for him, but back in the real world there was and Martin being a hunter who is all balck and white could see that, hence the whole going after Benny and literally waving temptation in his face. He had no loyalty to Benny, he simply went in as a hunter and did what a hunter would do. Not all hunters are as shades of grey as Sam and Dean, I'd wager nearly all other hunters would have done the same as Martin.

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  151. tvmonkey6 December 2012 at 08:24

    goes back to what LeviaDean said about Dean not having relationships but applications for sainthood, implies that Dean expects weveryone to be perfect all the time?

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  152. tvmonkey6 December 2012 at 08:26

    Carver said all the storyline including this one tie in together

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  153. tvmonkey6 December 2012 at 08:28

    I think they set them aside for the time being, dont think things get remotely resolved until around episode 13? if the spoilers are right

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  154. tvmonkey6 December 2012 at 08:35

    exactly these are hunters not cops, hunters done need evidence before they gank a monster, how many would have done what Martin did and gone after Benny? all of them other than Sam and Dean because they are more shades of grey than than normal hunters. Going by Carver's interview Martin was actually perfectly right in what he did from a hunters point of view, it was Sam and Dean who came across as in the wrong from a hunters pov. Martin wasnt crazy he was just being a hunter, a typical black and white hunter.

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  155. tvmonkey6 December 2012 at 08:37

    I find it suprising that Dean wasnt actively keeping an eye on Benny himself, he blindly trusted him to be able to cope out in the real world, clearly his judgement was affected by his time in Purgatory and thats where Sam was coming from.

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  156. tvmonkey6 December 2012 at 08:38

    I think that was done to highlight the differences in how they were affected by their year apart, they done really trust each other at the moment but they sort of want to be able to.

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  157. tvmonkey6 December 2012 at 08:42

    according to Carver Martin wasnt the crazy one in the episode, he was just doing what a hunter would do, just because Sam and Dean befriend monsters doesnt mean any other hunetr would. Perception is the key here the fans are percieving Martin to be crazy and wrng when he actually wasnt from the pov of a hunter, Sam and Dean were. We're just to used to the Winchester way of doing things so our perception of how a hunter should be is skewed.

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  158. tvmonkey6 December 2012 at 08:43

    trust in a controlled envirnment where mutual benefit was the aim of the game

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  159. tvmonkey6 December 2012 at 08:44

    Sam was also constantly told he was wrong, he took a leaf out of Dean's play book and is now deemed wrong again? so Dean was wrong all those years beforehand?

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  160. tvmonkey6 December 2012 at 08:45

    no Sam is acting like Dean

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  161. tvmonkey6 December 2012 at 08:56

    wasnt but in the end did, gave into his monster nature just as Martin went with his hunter nature

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  162. tvmonkey6 December 2012 at 09:01

    lots of new characters in the second half of the season that might stick around plus we have Cas, Amelia, Kevin, Crolwey, Garth, Mrs Tran, Samandriel, Niomi. There are plenty of characters populating the SPN universe. Benny is still alive for now.

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  163. tvmonkey6 December 2012 at 09:03

    by Dean's own rules Benny killing Martin means Benny gets put down regardless of whether Martin deserved it or not. After all Amy was killing low lifes to save her son and that was deemed wrong by Dean so same rules apply, Benny kills Martin he dies.

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  164. tvmonkey6 December 2012 at 09:07

    I think we're supposed to find out who it was in episode 10 and more answers on the Sam/Amelia thing

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  165. tvmonkey6 December 2012 at 09:16

    thats your perception, I thought Sam was right this time and has been right often in the past

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  166. sharonally6 December 2012 at 09:25

    And prey tell why Sam should trust Dean in all of this? Martin was a hunter he did what others would do. Dean is the one too close to Benny to see the wood for the trees. Sam is supposed to just take Dean's word because Dean says so and because Dean trusted the Benny he knew in Purgatory .He then creates a fake text to get Sam out of the way using Amelia without the foggest idea how Sam felt or about their relationship. Alot are looking at Sam but I tell you this Dean is not going to win any brother of the year awards himself . He thinks Benny is wonderful thats up to him but he is reaching new levels of nastiness that is making him look ugly.

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  167. ShatteredOne6 December 2012 at 11:10

    Extremely predictable episode (Benny not being the one killing the people, Benny killing Jon Gries, Dean being the one who texted Sam, and Amelia showing up at the end). Still, it was a good episode, not awesome, but still good.



    I didn't realize it was the midseason finale though until the promo. It was very underwhelming as a finale of any kind.

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  168. Indy6 December 2012 at 11:46

    I wasn't annoyed by Amelia until this episode. The whole thing just keeps dragging on.

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  169. chris6846 December 2012 at 13:19

    People are saying Sam should have trusted Dean's judgment, but Dean has been acting off ever since he got out of Purgatory. Dean completely disregarding all of the times Sam has been there for him and a lifetime of shared experiences in favor of someone he fought with in a combat situation for less than a year is a sign that Dean is not himself. Sam's not perfect. Dean's not perfect either. But the thing about family is that they are there for you when no one else is. Dean used to know this in season 1.

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  170. chris6846 December 2012 at 13:26

    Exactly. People are coming down really hard on Martin, but he's probably not that different than Bobby, John, Rufus, and all of the other hunters they've met. He probably got into the life after a monster killed someone he loved and has never even considered that monsters can be good. He's spent his life in the battle. He saw that all of the evidence that pointed toward Benny being on a murder spree, he realized Sam and Dean weren't going to have his back, and he saw that the monster was getting away to kill more people.


    Using Elizabeth as a hostage wasn't the best move, but Martin was doing what he's always done and putting his life on the line to get the monster.

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  171. Debbie Combs6 December 2012 at 13:27

    When Benny and Dean were talking about family and Benny told Dean that he still had Sam... Dean's sarcastic reply to Benny was just another stab in the gut to me and further proof that the show I loved is gone.


    Sam and Dean are no longer recognizable to me... Sam didn't look for Dean? I call B.S. Dean prefers a vampire to Sam. I call B.S. I had a much longer rant typed up, but the computer ate it and I don't care enough to type it all in again.



    If I wanted to watch a stupid love triangle with brothers that don't love each other, I would watch TVD... but someone would have to knock me out before I would watch that soap opera crap.... Now that they are putting that in my Supernatural I am having trouble even watching the show that used to be the highlight of my week.

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  172. chris6846 December 2012 at 13:31

    What should Sam have done then if not investigate when he's suspicious of a monster on the loose? And it has been a long time since Blood Lust. Both Sam and Dean have killed and let go dozens of sympathetic monsters in the meantime. It's always a judgment call, and Sam was investigating so that he had the information he needed to make his own decision.

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  173. chris6846 December 2012 at 13:32

    I'm wondering how Amelia knew Sam was in town. She wasn't anywhere near the window when he was by her house, and he wasn't in the Impala, so it's not like she recognized his car.

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  174. chris6846 December 2012 at 13:43

    If you're looking for writers to blame, I don't think you can remove Carver from the group. He's in charge of the season-long arc. He obviously had a big hand in the developments of the winter-break cliffhanger (if this counts as a cliffhanger).

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  175. chris6846 December 2012 at 13:48

    I don't know if the taste of blood is supposed to be addictive in the SPN world, but when Benny called Dean in the premiere, the call had the feel of an addict calling into his sponsor when he's facing temptation. Benny killed and fed off of Martin, so logic would say that it will be harder now for Benny to keep his resolve now that he's already broken it.

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  176. Mrs. Peele6 December 2012 at 13:50

    Sam should have known too! Did he 'forget' deliberately?

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  177. aleksander eide6 December 2012 at 14:05

    this episode can be described with one word and that is amazing with a big aa

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  178. rehabber6 December 2012 at 14:14

    And what if Benny DID NOT kill Martin, I think it was Elizabeth. She had way to much blood on her. You are jumping to the same conclusion that Sam did about Benny.

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  179. Ereth Reetnith6 December 2012 at 14:22

    dear spn, please don't kill Benny. please? pretty please?

    Dean was right about him, and that hunter was so not ok, and Benny was just defending his greatgranddaughter and damit Sam don't hunt him, alright?

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  180. rehabber6 December 2012 at 14:24

    Dabb was in a background scene in There Will Be Blood, he was the guy staring at the rack of chips behind the stoned cashier in the gas station. This was in The Official Companion season 7

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  181. rehabber6 December 2012 at 14:27

    I don't think Benny did kill him, I think it was Elizabeth.

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  182. rehabber6 December 2012 at 14:30

    Dean was a human and if Benny could not control himself, he could have had a "tasty human snack".

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  183. rehabber6 December 2012 at 14:33

    Sam is acting like Dean BEFORE Sam showed him it is not always black and white. When did Sam become this person that is kill every thing NOW.

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  184. rehabber6 December 2012 at 14:34

    I don't think he killed Martin, I think Elizabeth did and that is what Dean wanted to tell Sam. She had way to much blood on her.

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  185. tvmonkey6 December 2012 at 14:51

    his only mistake was using the girl as bait, going after Benny wasnt wrong from a hunters prespective. Sam and Dean have done more questionable things than Martin did in this episode
    but yes very well layed buy the actors

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  186. tvmonkey6 December 2012 at 15:01

    Martins only mistake was not going in with back up, he should have got another hunter to go in and take Benny out with him.
    No hunter other than Sam and Dean wuld have trusted a vamp veggie or not, people forget that Sam and Dean are about as grey as they come and thats because of their experiences-Sam always feeling like a freak and Benny heling Dean in Purgatory. Dean was quite black and white before purgatory. I doubt that Dean would have killed Benny had they not met in Purgatroy or had he been Sam's friend or someone Sam trusted.

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  187. tvmonkey6 December 2012 at 15:08

    here here, Sam deserves one good thing in his life and he should have something outside of just hunting with Dean. When all is saud and done and they've closed the gates to hell Sam should get to find a home and happiness with someone whether it be Amelia or not. At the moment I think it will be Amelia, I think Carver see's her a Sam's long term end game.

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  188. tvmonkey6 December 2012 at 15:11

    Cas is right, they need to put aside their shit and do the job. They can go their seperate ways after/at the end of the series. I dont need them to be bff's/like each other/have that so called bond but I do need them to be on the same page when it comes to the bigger picture. Just ork together on hunts and close the gates to hell and then Sam can go be happy with Amelia if he wants and Dean can go hunt with Benny or Cas or both.

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  189. Caz746 December 2012 at 15:17

    I agree witht he comments about Dean trusting Benny more than Sam but I thinnk this episode showed how Sam does not put Dean first anymore eithe and is not acting normal. He left Martin int he middle of nowhere when they were hunting Benny, who he presumably knows Martin would not be able to handle on his own and he dropped everything to go to Amelia because he thought she was in trouble. He didn't even think about Martin or Dean as he didn't even let Dean know where he was going. Neither brother is putting family first this season and I think this may be the big lesson they learn in the end.

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  190. rehabber6 December 2012 at 15:19

    I sure hope you are wrong, go back to the woman in the haunted painting ep, don't remember her name, she was great. Just can not feel anything for Amelia, don't need to needy people together.

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  191. Tracy Smith6 December 2012 at 15:39

    They keep talking about JOHN in almost every Episode. It could mean that we at least get a flash back of him with the boys. Even Crowley could use JDM image to stop the boys from closing the gate , they wouldn't know if he is really or not . But my feeling is after stopping talking about him at all they keep talking about it a lot lately

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  192. tvmonkey6 December 2012 at 15:50

    since he trusted Runy because she saved him several times over and got burned? Maybe Sam just doesnt want Dean to get burned the same way. Dean blames himself when people break wind how the hell would he have coped if Benny had done something bad?

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  193. DngnRdr6 December 2012 at 15:51

    The people Amy was killing weren't actually attacking her or her son, Benny was acting in self-defense and defense of his grandaughter. As Dean said Martin deserved it - which isn't exactly a case he foresaw when he made his rules so can quite easily make an exception.

    Fact is that if he weren't a vampire and had killed Martin w/o gnawing on his neck, he'd probably get off in court on self defense.

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  194. DngnRdr6 December 2012 at 15:52

    It may have been harsh saying that to Sam, but it was actually true. There have been a number of times Sam has let him down in the past. And Sam seems to be pretty hypocritical about which monsters should be killed and which shouldn't.

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  195. tvmonkey6 December 2012 at 15:56

    much like Dean belived Amy would kill again

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  196. SuePo6 December 2012 at 16:05

    I had that same thought. But there was a lot of neck damage so it was prbably Benny. But Martin was the monster here.

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  197. tvmonkey6 December 2012 at 16:14

    very possible, if so than the girl should be handed over to the cops to be dealt with and Benny should probably hang his head in shame, for someone who seemed to value family so much he let Elizabeth kill another human being to protect him instead of doing the deed himslef and excepting the consequences after. At the end of the day that girl would have to live with what she has done, Benny has had a life and then some he should have done whatever was necessary to protect her.
    Sorry but either Benny is a pussy or he killed a human and should be put down.

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  198. SuePo6 December 2012 at 16:15

    It was probably pushed back a week so that Arrow could catch up in episodes. Since they ordered an extra ep of Arrow and Supernatural started a week ahead they needed to balance them si they would end the same week in the spring. Hence push SPN back one week in January. Just a guess.

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  199. cns3e6 December 2012 at 16:20

    Overall I really enjoyed the episdoe. However I felt Sam's flashbacks were poorly placed. When Martin said to Sam "I can't believe Dean would choose a vampire over his own brother" I expected Sam's flashback to be about Ruby, but we got more Amelia.I also didn't understand why Sam suddenly left Martin out in the woods until the very end. I was hoping that Sam had finally woken up and realized no one was forcing him to hunt and he could go live a normal life with or without Dean's blessing. Oh well, wishful thinking on my part.
    I can't believe that Dean made Sam believe his Love was in danger. Bad Dean. I throughly enjoyed the phone call at the end of the episode. I think that's the best acting I've seen from JP this season!
    Oh, and Dean needs to get over this "everyone lets me down" attidue. Everyone makes mistakes Dean...even you! Remember ripping Sam out of a peaceful heaven by selling your soul? No one is perfect and if Dean continues to expect perfection out of others he is always going to be disappointed.
    I have sympathy for Benny, but now that he has killed a human is he fair game?
    Oh well, I hope Sam and Amelia get back together, Sam gets to live his normal life, and Dean enjoys hunting on his own with occaisional help from Benny, Cas, and Garth.

    Did anyone feel that Dean wanted Sam to get back with Amelia? That while sending Sam to Amelia was part of Dean's plan, he may have also been trying to so Sam a favor.

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  200. SuePo6 December 2012 at 16:20

    Still waiting.

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