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Supernatural 8.06 "Southern Comfort" Review: The Truth Hurts

8 Nov 2012

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            Supernatural “Southern Comfort” provided anything but comfort for the Winchester brothers. There was much to like about this episode, which delivered some dialogue that I’d been waiting to hear for literally years, in addition to such great lines as Dean saying “When is decapitation not my thing?” It had a decent monster-of-the-week plot to act as a catalyst and was written by Adam Glass. The episode marked the return of Garth, and unlike many fans, I’m not a huge fan of the character, though this may be the least annoying he’s been in an episode. In fact, I spotted at least one other actor who has been on the show before... did you?
            I enjoyed Sam’s flashbacks a lot in this episode. Liane Balaban as Amelia is really winning me over, and my greatest wish at this point is that we get to see Amelia actually meet Dean. After all, Sam has now met Benny. Her backstory makes sense and I like it even more because it isn’t supernatural in any way – at least not that we know of. But it also parallels Sam’s relationship with Dean. And for me, Sam’s confession that he’d lost his brother and the inference that Sam just couldn’t stand to be reminded of him by still being in the life was also very realistic and rang true for me. When Amelia confesses that all she could see “was judgment and pity and this constant reminder everywhere” of Don, it was easy to see how Sam would feel exactly the same way. I’m curious to see whether Sam ever confessed to her about his real life and how he explained losing Dean. If he said that he was also killed, that could get pretty awkward.
            I feel like we are going to have to lose both Amelia and Benny going forward. I don’t see how either of them can actually fit into the Supernatural universe as we know it. That said, I think both characters are currently serving pivotal roles in Sam and Dean’s development. However, I don’t see Amelia accepting or adopting the hunter lifestyle. Given her history it seems unlikely that she will want to suffer the anxiety of knowing the kind of danger Sam is in constantly. I doubt she would want to put herself through that kind of long distance worry even on a weekend basis. As for Benny, it just seems inevitable that some hunter somewhere is going to kill him. And given how things usually fall out in the Supernatural universe, that hunter is most likely going to be Dean.
            Garth has never been my favorite character. He did grow on me in this episode, however. Glass wrote “Party On, Garth”, so he had some experience with the character, and Tim Andrew directed “Season Seven, Time for a Wedding”, the other Garth episode as well as “Grave Importance”, a Bobby-centric episode, so he had experience with Jim Beaver’s delivery of such important lines as “Balls” and “Idjit.” One of the nicest sequences in the episode is the sudden jump back of three days to track the penny making it to Dean, all set to some nice classic rock. The sequence in itself is a nice way to tie up the loose ends, but it also heightens the tension of the final confrontation.
            I do have a few quibbles with the plot. It seems as if by this time, Dean and Sam would have run into a Spectre before or the topic of green ectoplasm might at least have come up. In addition when the Spectre is in the deputy and reading Dean, instead of referring to itself as Vance – the soldier it once was, it refers to itself as the Spectre and that seemed awkward to me. I’m also not sure why Sam would be so convinced that Dean remembered what he’s said when it was clear that the other possessed victims didn’t remember what they’d said and done.
            My problem with DJ Qualls portrayal of Garth is that it doesn’t ring true to me. The best comic relief is played seriously or straight. If the actor doesn’t take the part seriously, the audience won’t, and I’m always left thinking he’s mugging a little too hard for the camera. And I just can’t believe Sam and Dean would ever let him lead on a case. That said, I will point to two scenes which I thought were particularly well done: the scene where Garth tells Dean that Bobby belonged to all of them and the scene when Garth reveals he was a dentist and killed the toothfairy. I also enjoyed watching Dean slowly warm up to the idea of Garth filling Bobby’s shoes in the hunter world by providing support to other hunters. The final scene with Dean in which Dean symbolically crowns Garth with Bobby’s baseball hat as Bobby’s successor is a nice touch with Garth finally getting both idjit and balls right.
            It’s Bobby who helps Garth break the case when he finds the entry on the Spectre in Bobby’s journal. There’s also a nice reference to Garth getting Bobby’s hat when Bobby had left it in Garth’s car when they were hunting a rugaru together a few years back. At the end of “Swan Song” after Sam has jumped in the pit and Dean has gone to Lisa to try to fulfill his promise to Sam, there is a reference to Bobby being off hunting a rugaru. It seems like this is a tip of the hat (so to speak) to that very hunt. The basic premise of the episode centering around the seminal brother versus brother conflict of the Civil War was a nice parallel to our own brothers. Like the Civil War, what was said between the brothers has been building for a very long time.  
            The episode opens with Dean catching wind of the case, and Sam forcing him to talk. Sam immediately throws Amy in Dean’s face. Dean then mentions that they let the werewolf chick go – in episode 8.04, “Bitten”. Sam is sceptical about accepting that people change, but Dean insists this is the case. The final two scenes with Dean and Sam are sure to bring out strong feelings in fandom. Dean finally calls Sam on all the betrayals and choices that Sam has made over the years from drinking demon blood to choosing a demon over him to not telling Dean he was soulless. Sam insists these are simply mistakes not choices. Dean points out that he never betrayed Sam or left him to die. Sam seems to be willing to try to talk Dean out of shooting him until Dean begins to say that Sam abandoned him for a girl. As soon as the discussion turns to Amelia, Sam completely loses his temper and tries to take Dean down. Garth has to step in, and he points out that Dean has been protecting his brother all his life and shouldn’t stop now. Garth’s words are a contrast to Dean’s remarks just before that Cas has betrayed him and Sam has betrayed him, but Benny hasn’t. I kept hearing an unspoken “yet”. I’m waiting for Dean to be disappointed by Benny too. I hope it isn’t going to happen because Dean really has been let down by everyone in his life – with the possible exception of Bobby. So once again, having a Bobby-substitute in this episode is important.
            The final scene has Sam on the defensive again and going after Dean. Dean has always forgiven Sam and put Sam first in the past, and Sam knows exactly the buttons to push. Sam calls Dean on keeping Benny a secret when he’d been completely open and honest about Amelia. Except this is the first time Dean is hearing Amelia’s name and Sam said he didn’t want to talk about her – so while he hasn’t quite kept her a secret, he hasn’t been as open and sharing with Dean as he states here. Given Sam’s reaction and his threats to kill Benny, Dean would appear to be justified in keeping him a secret! Then, Sam plays his strongest card and tells Dean that if he doesn’t stop giving Sam a hard time and move on, Sam will. Move on. Abandonment has always been Dean’s greatest weakness and this would be no different. Sam is always the one to leave Dean. Dean says fine, but he looks hurt and wary. Sam also threatens that he just might be the hunter that has to put Benny down. Dean keeps a relatively emotionless face when he tells Sam that they’ll just have to cross that bridge when they come to it. Dean still seems conflicted over Benny. On the one hand, he considers Benny to be a friend and an ally, but on the other hand, I think he feels guilt and shame about bringing a monster back from Purgatory. I also think that Dean is also still hurt that Sam didn’t try to get him back, and unless I missed it, I don’t think Sam has actually apologized for leaving Dean there for a whole year.
            I know there will be camps forming to defend both the brothers. There’s no doubt in my mind that we are headed toward more conflict while they work out their feelings. This discussion is far from over. They’ve said time and time again, that they can’t hunt together if they don’t trust each other, so I’m interested to see if that’s going to be an issue in going forward. I think these are things that the brothers need to say to each other in order to move forward, and I, for one, am really enjoying how Carver and his team are unfolding the season.
            What did you think of the episode? Please try not to get caught up in simply hating on one of the brothers, but let me know what you thought of the episode and where you think we’re going. And by the way? Mrs Lew in this episode was also Mrs Tanner in “Croatoan.”

53 comments:

  1. Great review, but I have 2 points I don't agree with..first Sam did tell Dean Amelia's name when he first told Dean about a girl and second Bobby also did not tell Dean that Sam was back for a year. So everyone betrayed Dean, am hoping that Benny does not, but this is SPN after all. ;)

    Even in Dark Side of the Moon, Sam's best memories were being away from Dean and John and I agree it is always Sam that leaves, but he has never tried to hide the fact he DOES NOT LIKE THE FAMILY BUSINESS. (Being picky here, but do we count Dean leaving when he left to give himself to Michael?) Even as a kid Sam told his teacher he wanted to do something different. No I am not picking on Sam, because he makes the show, what would SPN be if it was all sunshine and Unicorns. lol I see how Dean would be just a little (ha) upset that Sam did not even look for him, but so far Sam has not said he did not look, but has not said he did either. I am hoping he at least tried before giving up. Not doing so just does not seem like what Sam would do. I am still giving him the benefit of the doubt.


    I was OK with Garth taking over for Bobby, after all Bobby did trust him to go work with Dean. But if they wanted a Bobby, why didn't they just keep Bobby???? Sigh I know we would not have had all the great eps that followed Bobby dying.



    Anyway greatly enjoyed the recap. Good job.

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  2. Ah- good point about Bobby! I'd forgotten about his keeping Sam's secret. I know that Sam told Dean a little about Amelia - that there was a girl, but Sam was keeping most of it to himself. I don't blame him - as much as Dean denied it at the end of Tiger Mommy, everyone that gets close to him does die. Of course, we could also say the same about Sam... But I think Sam is protecting a cherished memory and Amelia's safety by keeping it from Dean. I agree about Sam never wanting to be in the family business - it's why I don't have a problem with his motivations this season.

    I'm not sure that Bobby really trusted Garth to work with Dean that much - after all, Bobby was still on the phone to them the whole episode. At least in this episode, Garth was reasonably effective.
    Thanks for the great comments.

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  3. excellent review...I totally agree with you!!

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  4. "Sam is always the one to leave Dean"
    After all this time, I can't believe we're back there. I just feel so sorry for Dean. It reminds me of the scene in 1x22, when Azazel tells him that Dean always needs his family more than they need him. That one still hurts. Especially, when we're in S8 and it's still very much the subject of their fights.

    "...unless I missed it, I don’t think Sam has actually apologized for leaving Dean there for a whole year"

    Yeah, that would be the other thing that just really bugs me. And he... Ok, I'm not even going there.

    And as for your review, very good job! Some great points! Especially the ones related to Bobby:) Thanks for sharing!

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  5. Ehhh, this was a decent enough episode, but not a classic, in my opinion. For all the dredging up of old issues/memories, for instance, I'm more than a bit surprised that the idea of letting monsters--specifically vampires--live if they're not killing humans didn't get more of an airing. After all, we've had this spefic issue before, a few seasons back, when Gordon and Dean wanted to kill Lenore (or whatever her name was), and SAM was arguing for letting her live, giving her a chance. So now he wants to kill Benny, because Benny's a vampire? Even if he's not killing to get blood? Hmm. either they're fudging here (the fact that DEAN doesn't bring this up makes me think it's possible), or we're supposed to read between the lines that Sam's problems with Benny isn't just that he's a monster but that he has a special, hitherto secret relationship with Dean.

    Agreed about Garth. I like the concept of the character but have never thought he really gelled. Interesting that the best moments, as you note, are when he's least Garthlike, when we see him as other than happy-go-lucky but serious.

    I also agree that never hearing about a Spectre before seems a bit odd. Side note on this front: a second-tier (or maybe third-tier) DC character is The Spectre, murdered cop Jim Corrigan sent back to Earth in spirit-form as a spirit of wrath and vengeance. He doesn't possess bodies of the living to act (that'd be Deadman's turf!), nor does he incite vengeance for trivial things like making somebody else write reports, but his cloak is green, which makes me wonder whether the choice of green for the colour of the ectoplasm for spectres was a little shout-out to that character.
    Good review! Lots of great points and analysis!

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  6. I’ll let my betters discuss the precarious brotherly bond. Others can debate Garth’s merits (or lack of). I want to discuss the monkey in the room: the fact that Dean took at least THREE punches to his pretty face last night and there was not a MARK on him. WTH? Where’s the BLOOD? Where are the strategically placed purply-pinkish bruises? The symmetrical cuts on lip and forehead? The rugged limp after being thrown over a counter? Where?!! I’d think he came back from Purgatory with special powers if it weren’t for the fact that Sam was equally lacking a
    swollen snoot after the initial schmear of blood was dobbed away.



    I want some bloody!Winchesters, dang it! Don’t make me have to rely solely on fanfic to fulfill my hurt/comfort (emphasis on “hurt”!) kink. I’m giving you three more episodes, Show. If you can’t give me some bloody cuts, oozing sores, fevered brows, …hell…at this point I’d take a severe case of eczema…anything to throw me a h/c bone, I’m going to have to quit you! Grar.

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  7. I totally agree with this! And it did leap out at me - I mean not even a tiny bruise??? At least we have Purgatory!Dean to keep us going...

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  8. I can't believe I didn't think about Lenore! Especially since they brought her back so recently - to kill her off... I think the point really is that Sam's problem with Benny has more to do with the fact that he does on some level feel guilt for leaving Dean in Purgatory, essentially forcing his hand to rely on a monster to get him out. I also think a part of Sam wishes that Dean had stayed in Purgatory so he could have his normal life - which he's never going to have as long as Dean's alive. Additionally, I agree that it is also about keeping Benny a secret. Sam as we've seen in the past can also carry a grudge for a long time, and he's obviously still pissed about Amy... Lenore's relapse would have been a good point for Sam to bring up. Of course, I'm also waiting for the Alpha Vamp to play some part here too....

    Coming out of this writers' room, a DC shoutout is more than possible! Thanks for the info - bet you're right about this one!

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  9. Thanks! I like how we're revisiting the themes from season one and forward. It does still hurt, but I do also feel like we're getting the more mature spin on things that Carver promised us.

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  10. Thanks for such a detailed reply! I do want to say that I would actually LOVE to keep more characters around - I'd like Liane and Ty to stay. I'd love to have Kim Rhodes back as Sheriff Mills. It's clear that no one is ever going to replace the brothers for each other, but it makes it more interesting - and realistic - if they have others to turn to. It also makes the performances of the actors better as Jared and Jensen have both said. One thing I was really remiss in not commenting on is how much fun it is to watch Dean and Sam fight because Jared and Jensen are so comfortable with each other they can really go at it... I love what Carver has brought to the show and it's really nice to be this excited again to watch each week!

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  11. "The final scene has Sam on the defensive again and going after Dean. Dean has always forgiven Sam and put Sam first in the past, and Sam knows exactly the buttons to push. Sam calls Dean on keeping Benny a secret when he’d been completely open and honest about Amelia. Except this is the first time Dean is hearing Amelia’s name and Sam said he didn’t want to talk about her – so while he hasn’t quite kept her a secret, he hasn’t been as open and sharing with Dean as he states here. Given Sam’s reaction and his threats to kill Benny, Dean would appear to be justified in keeping him a secret! Then, Sam plays his strongest card and tells Dean that if he doesn’t stop giving Sam a hard time and move on, Sam will. Move on. Abandonment has always been Dean’s greatest weakness and this would be no different. Sam is always the one to leave Dean. Dean says fine, but he looks hurt and wary. Sam also threatens that he just might be the hunter that has to put Benny down."

    I totally agree with this. Sam knows EXACTLY which buttons to push and that's exactly what he did here. It's interesting how Sam expected Dean to forgive him for what he said under the influence of the ghost in Asylum, but then turns around and doesn't grant Dean that same understanding in this episode. He's angry at Dean for what the Spectre said, he threatens to kill the guy who actually saved Dean from Purgatory, and then Sam goes for the jugular and threatens to leave Dean if Dean doesn't act the way Sam wants him to.


    Dean, I think you need to face the facts here... Sam is just not that into you. Let him leave.

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  12. Well technically that wasn't classic rock at all. If they had to pay, I wish they'd paid for a classic song.

    I agree with your view of Garth. You explained it well. And I agree with many of your points.
    "Abandonment has always been Dean’s greatest weakness and this would be no different." This was an especially good point. I didn't pick up on this, and it makes me very sad. I wish Carver would get off the brother drama anvils. It used to be so subtle in the early years.

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  13. sam threatening dean with abandonment was such a low blow i m disappointed, i thought sam was better than that. but first he threatens to leave and then he threatens benny while the poor vampire hasn't done anything to deserve it at this point...damit Sam, u're not the godfather, u don't threaten family and friends to push your point...

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  14. You're definitely right to point out the trust issues. I don't know that Dean has fully trusted Sam since the demon blood fiasco, and that's always made things tense. And Sam, on the other hand, really hasn't moved on from the she-who-must-not-be-named debacle, as well as the "my brother's BFFs with a vampire" thing. That underlying tension has lasted much too long now, for like three or four seasons, really, and I hope we're moving in the right direction. At least they aired out some of their grievances last night, and I hope they realize it's time to stop living in the past. It's not doing them any favors out there.

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  15. I'm not interested in writing numerous paragraphs about the conflict between Sam and Dean. It's just too much to get in to and I don't have time today. I will comment on the fact that I think Garth is awesome. I love how how goofball and silly he can be yet he's a hunter. It kills me (in a good way) how the camera goes all slow motion and makes his goofy ass a little swanky. I thought it was hilarious that he killed the gruff bearded dude in the pink tutu aka the Tooth Fairy. If you recall, the Tooth Fairy extracted the dad's teeth and left him $32 ($1 for each tooth). Bad tooth fairy!

    As far as Dean is concerned, I was actually pretty pissed off at what a dick he was for most of the epi. Yes, I did cry when Garth finally yelled at Dean for thinking Bobby was Sam and Dean's alone. Bobby was and is important to a lot of people.

    Dean killing Amy behind Sam's back was just wrong and I'm glad Sam had it out with Dean. Not to mention, Amy's son witnessing Dean kill his mother. Amy killed her own mother to save Sam's life. Dean didn't let the werewolf girl go. She was already long gone. I love Dean but his morals swing whichever way he wants when it suits him. Also, I am completely pro Sammy long hair & chops.

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  16. I like the dog but not Amelia. Benny...I don't know. I think the whole Dean and Benny bromance is uncomfortable in a bad weird way. Just something about it I don't like.

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  17. BTW I'm a different Lisa than the Lisa that has replied to many posts here.

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  18. I think more than anything Bobby didn't want Sam and Dean getting Garth killed. People have a habit of getting killed around the boys. That would have haunted Bobby.

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  19. I agree, something is off about Sam this season and I am looking forward to finding out what it is.

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  20. Just finished watching it again and Dean jumping on Garth for the wrong use of idjit hit me wrong. The last thing Bobby said was to call them idjits and he did it lovingly, not angry.

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  21. I don't mind some outside characters, but it depends on the character. Some work for me and some don't. Amelia doesn't but Benny does (to an extent). I like Sheriff Mills. Garth has grown on me. We all have our preferences. :-) Gotta say though that I am missing the bromance.

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  22. Agreed, great review, but I too have a point of contest. I'm more of a Dean fan then Sam, though I absolutely love both boys. Still, it has to be said, Dean has /always/ beaten Sam down about his mistakes. This is hardly the first time he's brought them up. Dean never let up about the demon blood. Not that he could be blamed, with his father's last words to him, and general fear/worry about everything happening.



    I absolutely /love/ the civil war parallels between the brothers and this episode. And I have to agree.. Dean is feeling very..very betrayed, lost, and hurt that Sam didn't even look for him, and I really can't blame him. But Sam did make some good points in his anger.



    Oh, another point of contest, Sam didn't believe Dean could remember what happened after the spectre attacked him. He said that Dean didn't /need/ the spectre to say those words. Meaning, he knows that that's exactly how Dean feels, it just took the spectre to bring it to light.

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  23. simple...Loved it...love them...keep the ball rolling

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  24. Yeah, but Dean's a classic deflector, using a pretext rather than saying what eh really means. His real beef is with Garth trying to be Bobby at all, so no matter how Garth said it, he'd object--see his objection to Garth wearing the hat wrong, too!

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  25. I think that is one of the reasons Sam didn't look for Dean. Deep down he was reelieved at beign able to get out of hunting and he now doesn't want to or doesn't know how to admit that to Dean. He loves his brother and doesn't want him to know that he felt this way. I think that is why Sam did not look for Dean. He ran at first as he said and then realised it was better to carry on running and grieve fro Dean thant to look for him and possibly have to get back into the hunting life.
    I do not really understand why so many people have aproblem and cannot understand why Sam did not look for Dean and say it is OOC for Sam. He was at the end of his tether, ahveing lost everyone who he cared for and took a way out that felt right for him. It does not lessen his love for Dean or how much he missed him one bit, just shows that dep down he doesn't want this life and took a way out when he saw one.
    I understand this toatlly and I feel the reason Dean is so pissed at him is that he just needs Sam to acknowledge that Dean went through a horrible experience and Sam understands this and is sorry that he did not look for him. It does not make Dean or Sam right, they both have valid reasons for feeling the way they do.

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  26. I agree, Dean does tend to harp on Sam when he feels Sam has made a mistake. I wonder, though if Dean would let it go if Sam just said he was sorry... And really, you can't help what you think/feel but not saying it has to count for something. Not that keeping it inside to simply fester is healthy either...

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  27. I think that comment is uncalled for. Personally, I think she's very pretty, and more importantly a good actor. As a professional actor, I'm sure that Genevieve realizes that love interests come with the territory if she expects her husband to continue in the business.

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  28. Carver has promised us a more mature version of the brothers, so I'm also hopeful that we are moving past these old grievances...

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  29. "It does not make Dean or Sam right, they both have valid reasons for feeling the way they do." YES! A thousand times, yes! I think that really is the strength of our show. The brothers are very different people - so much so that fans are polarized in their support of one over the other - but in the end, they both get support because they have real, valid reasons for feeling the way they do. You might identify with one brother or the other, but you still have to acknowledge the validity of the other side... Totally agree with you here!

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  30. BTW - I'm the Lisa that wrote the review... hence my many replies...

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  31. I fully agree. Its not healthy, at all, and I wish Sam would just earnestly say he's sorry and try to talk to Dean, to show why things happened the way they did.

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  32. I just wonder if the season is setting Dean up to make some kind of monumental mistake? It would be interesting to see how Dean and Sam cope in that situation. I kind of like the idea of Dean making a mistake like Sam and Cas have both done just to see him gain some perspective on how easy it is to do so when you believe what you're doing is the right thing. Also I remember LeviaDean saying something about Dean not having relationships but 'applications for sainthood' or something?

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  33. and I guess you're an absolute prize?

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  34. Sam should just get "I'm sorry" tattooed on his forehead. Even back in Dark Side of the Moon when Dean realized Sam's best memories were being away from "family" and he kept saying I'm sorry, I didn't think of it that way, Dean was just saying it with him. You can only say you're sorry so many times...actions speak louder than words and Sam has always wanted OUT. So even with an I'm Sorry, I don't believe it. But saying all that Sam does love Dean and I just don't see him not even trying to look for him and I am betting he did, but something happened and I want to find out what. I have always felt bad for Sam living a life he hated.

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  35. in all fairness why would Sam want to stick around when Dean is constantly pissy with him and clearly doesnt trust him? How can they work together if they cant trust each other? Also Sam has stated he wants out already this season, Dean is just making it easier for Sam to want to leave quicker. Its not about using Dean's abandonment issues against him its about Sam doing whats right for himself and their partnership at this point.He cant be expected to just stick around and take whatever Dean throws at him just because he has made mistakes.
    The Benny thing is easy. Sam trusted Ruby, she saved his ass and she wasnt going around killing humans. That came back to bite him in the ass and Dean is still going on about that. Dean trusts Benny because he saved his ass and isnt killing humans yet. As far as Sam is concerned that's hypocrasy. Thats a 'why's it ok for you to trust a monster but not when I do it?' It needed to be worded better IMO but the message was pretty obvious, Benny steps out of line and Sam wont hesitate to put him down just like Dean didnt hesitate to put Amy down. And hence the reason Sam will have Martin watch Benny when he's suspicious of him in an upcoming episode. Sam will only put Benny down if he needs to be put down at the moment he's just angry Dean lied to him, has been a hypocrite and has been constantly poking at Sam since they met up again.

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  36. Sam's problem with Benny according to Jared and JC is that Dean has constantly harped on at Sam for trusting a monster (Ruby) to the point he is even bringing it up years later, yet thinks its perfectly OK for himself to trust a monster. Sam's pissed because Dean is a hypocrite. Even before Ruby got found out Dean made sure to let Sam know he was wrong for trusting a monster even though she saved his life several times.
    Also Sam doesnt hold grudges he was pissed at the end of the episode and rightly so but he wont kill Benny unless Benny warrants being killed much in the way Dean thought Amy warranted being killed and didnt hesitate to do so. At least Sam has made it clear that he will kill Benny if he has to and he wont do it behind Dean's back either.

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  37. Good review......I will never accept that Sam did not search for his brother. NEVER EVER...Carver better fix this. My thoughts are that Sam had a breakdown and was committed for several months. Maybe Amelia was a nurse/Dr/ or patient. This thing with Amelia never happened except in Sams brain.....how else can we come to terms with Sam not looking for Dean. NO NO NO..........this could not happen. Since the day that John placed baby Sam in his brothers arms..........this has been the Supernatural magic of the show. This has been the glue that holds the Supernatural /Winchester boys saga together. For me I can handle poor episodes corny episodes badly acted episodes etc BUT I WILL NOT TOLERATE this BS regarding Sam not looking for Dean. Carver there must be more to the story.....not just for me as a fan...but for Dean....this is a total disrespecting of a brotherly chemistry that has been just awesome. Fix it please ......you owe it to all the fans and you owe it to the brothers. So just how did Sam end up back at the cabin.....why is it that he kept the cell phones.....if he wanted to erase this part of his life and live like a normal person......get rid of all the baggage. Why did you keep the FBI suits id's and I am quite sure the weapons are still in Baby's trunk! Why Sam?.....Okay Carver it's your turn now.......

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  38. Well he screams at Sam that' Benny is a better brother' Dean's issues of abandonment cant be the reason Sam stays . Dean made his feelings clear in his tirade and brought up past mistakes by Sam then obviously threw up Soulless Sam if that resentment still lies in Dean and the spectre just re-enforced those feelings then he is told that someone Dean has barely knowing a year is a better brother and I know that relationship was born out of Purgatory but Dean wouldnt of said it if he wasnt thinking it it makes it impossible for Sam.



    Sam not looking is a whole different kettle of fish I dont think Sam needs to say sorry for wanting out of hunting or finding a relationship however the writers reasons for Sam's decision are not very strong and I think they think that we as a audience were just going to accept those reasons. It hasnt exactly worked by sadly it's Sam that gets damaged .

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  39. And how did Sam know the Demon reversal spell??? I'm with you 100% on this, if Sam did not look for Dean, this is NOT

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  40. Sam has not always wanted out. From Season 4 on it was Dean that wanted out (Sam: That's not me any more. I want Lilith's head on a plate... Bloody). Then, Dean tried being out with Lisa and it didn't work. We have had no inkling that Sam wanted out again until this season just totally retcon'd 4 seasons of Sam's personality.

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  41. Sam has said sorry so many times for the demon blood and the Ruby thing that I got really tired of hearing it. However, Dean still holds a grudge about that.

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  42. Even when Sam was small he did not want to be in the "family business". He wanted to stay in for revenge to do what he thought was a good thing..killing Lilith. The only reason Dean was with Lisa was because he promised Sam he would live a "normal" life. When Sam came back soulless he was not Sam, so did not even know what he wanted, he liked being able to do things without any feelings. I don't have a problem believing Sam wants out as from the pilot that is what he wanted.

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  43. Problem with complaining that Dean's morals are there when they suit him is you have to say the exact same thing about Sam with his monsters should only be killed if they are a threat'. Remember when Sam shot Emma when she had a knife and Dean a gun ad was across the room - Dean wasn't in immediate danger at that point and they knew killing the father was an initiation ritual so there was a huge likelyhood that the girl hadn't killed but instead of finding out if she had gone off that ledge yet Sam killed his own flesh and blood because monster or not that is what that girl was.



    So Sam killing a vampire who hasn't slipped up well that it is tantamount to confirming that Sam thinks that the only monsters that deserve a chance are the ones Sam picks. Though if he had brought up Ruby and not Amy at the beginning of the episode I wouldn't be feeling this way because bringing up Amy feels like Sam is still holding a grudge about Dean killing her behind his back rather than being worried about Dean being lead down the garden past by Benny.


    As for the whole convo at the end until he basically threatened to ice his brother's only friend I could get Sam going on the defensive but that thrown in at the end - well as someone who likes both brothers it looks like Dean has just lost his crown as the King of the dicks.

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  44. I have no problem if they had linked Sam's concerns about Benny to Ruby but only Dean brought up Ruby not Sam. I'd get why Sam is pissed if he had brought up Ruby but he brought up Amy and essentially asked why is it that Dean could have a monster friend and he couldn't.

    That added to the bit about 'icing' Benny at the end but not adding the part about Benny slipping up when he was pissed at Dean (Yes I got why Sam was on the defensive but that tack on was just out and out mean) . So if the intent was to call Dean on his grudges and show that Sam is doesn't have them, well that was a big fat fail then on Carver's part because it can be interpreted that way.

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  45. Anyone notice that Ellicott is the name of the doctor from Asylum who possessed Sam and made him say things and almost kill Dean? Though an Ellicott didn't do it this time it was a nice wink at season 1.

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  46. Dean was the one wanting a normal life for quite a while. You saw it first in Season 3 when he was facing his death in Kids are Alright and Dream a Little Dream. Then, you see it more in Sam Interrupted and when he went running to Lisa in Point of No Return. Sam also didn't want out all the way through 5, 6 (soul-less or not) and 7. Yes, when Sam was innocent, he wanted normal, but eventually he figured out that he couldn't have it. Now, suddenly he implodes and reverts back to a 22 year old.

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  47. How is Benny any different from Lenora who Sam begged Dean not to kill. She was a vampire, but she wasn't drinking blood, just like Benny isn't.
    Also I would like it if they do not go down the Benny is evil road. I think they could have Benny struggle with trying tostay good and realising it was easier in purgatory. He has done what he wanted and killed his maker. He's already asked Dean why he put his soul back in his body and what he is doing. He could ask Dean to kill him to prevent him from hurting people and this would give Dean a major problem. Sam may have to step in to kill Benny at his request.

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  48. Yes he is at present really like her rather than Amy and Ruby (those are the examples in Sam's head simply because Dean didn't tell him, which is to do with the state of Sam and Dean's relationship not anything to do with Benny himself )

    But as ways for Benny to go I agree with you. This way would make him more like he whole soldier returning from a war zone and not handling it so being desperate to go back rather than showing monsters can't be redeemed or Sam is in the wrong. Dean is having a hard enough time but that was 1 year and Benny has been there for 50 plus. Also as you said his master is dead, that and finding his girl embraced the vamp life what does he have to ground him - really only Dean's trust in him.

    If he threats a human I'd prefer it that it isn't because he is evil but he is trying to get a hunter to send him back to purgatory as it is really hard to cut off your own head. But if I can't have that ideally I'd really like him to mirror Lenora have him kill (preferably in self defence) and then ask someone to stop him hurting anyone or he found he liked it a bit too much to be safe around in this world.

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  49. I don't buy Dean asking Sam to kill Benny if it came to that. After all Sam killed his wolf girlfriend instead of letting Dean do it. I think if Benny asked Dean to do it, he would. Dean is not one to pass the buck.

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  50. I meant at Bennys request, not Dean's. I know Dean would be able to doit if it came to it, but I meant if Benny wanted to save Dean from having to do it.

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  51. OK I can see Benny asking Sam. I don't think he would have fought Sam when they met and he would be sure Sam would do it.

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  52. Make that 6 seasons. In Hunted, Dean wants to give up hunting and go to Amsterdam and Sam tells him: "You're a hunter ... it's what you were meant to do. ... Look, Dean, I'm gonna keep hunting. I mean, whatever is coming, I'm taking it head-on; so if you really want to watch my back, then I guess you're gonna have to stick around."

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  53. Well, Dean selling his soul to save Sam at the end of S2 DID turn out to be a monumental mistake - it lead to him going to hell, breaking the first seal (another monumental mistake)... Dean does make mistakes - it's why he always feels guilty. But he is fiercely loyal...

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